planet which it's become, right? >> yes. if you look atrwanda, first time i came here, four years after the genocide, the per capita income was less than one dollar a day. today, it's five times what it was. they've averaged 8% growth. and they have good roads. they have good farms. >> the president has created a lot of growth. the statistics you talked about. supposedly this will be his last term. do you think that this country will be weaker without a leader like he is, even if he is more author tarrian leader? >> depends on who succeeds him. depends on whether they forgot what brought them this far. there are countries with incomes 10, 20 ties rwanda's, where the streets aren't as clean. >> the streets are incredibly clean here. >> roads aren't as good and where they're just so focused on future, so focused on developing the skills and abilities both women and men. this is the first country in the world to have the majority of its parliament female. when i came here, first on my -- doing my aids work in 2002, already half the governors in rwanda were women. and they had villages where they'd give you land if you agreed to live next door to someone of the other ethnic group. saw two women holding hands. one of them had lost a husband and a brother. the other one had a husband in prison, awaiting war crimes indictment, which means he was a major orderer of the killing, the genocide. they were holding hands. they were neighbors. >> when you were president, nearly 1 million people were slaughtered. a personal failure of your. do you think with all the contributions you made, things like this plant, that you have on some level sort of -- >> i don't know but i -- i remember the first time i came here to start the aids project, a reporter was riding in a cab. he asked this cab driver if he didn't resent my being here because the u.s. didn't come into the area until after the killing had been stopped to take care of the refugeeings. and he said no, i don't. because he didn't make us kill each other. that whole thing. take responsibility. and he said he's the only one how said he was sorry. nobody else has apologized to us. at the time, we were worried about getting into bosnia. we had the reaction from blackhawk down in somalia. and it was over in 90 days. we just blew it. i think had we sent 10,000 trues here and got a few more people to come, we might have been able to save one-third of the people who died. you can see what a rural country it is. >> yes. >> and most of the people who died were killed with machetes. so i don't think we could have ended the violence. but i think we could have cut it down. and i regret it. all i can do is try to help them come back. but it's very interesting. the rwandas aren't interested one way or the other about whether i'm atoning. they want to know what we're going to do now. they have this future focus that we need in america. and we need everywhere. i mean, they have young girls -- their vaccination rate against cervical cancer, against the hpv virus, is 93%. >> it's not that high in the united states. >> it's 26%. i mean, they just get the show on the road. that's what they're interested in. and it's quite stunning. >> you talk about the tough decision you regret on intervention. you look around africa right now. you see what's happening up in mali. al qaeda is rising in part because of the instability in libya and u.s. involvement in libya that allowed some of the weapons to come over the border and some people are saying it could be the next afghanistan. >> could be. i hope not. i mean, you know, mali has quite a hold on the imagination of people who understand africa. and when i saw that destruction, religious political violence in timbuktu, it was very sad to me. but there are always unintended consequences to events that upset the established order. and what happened in libya i think will probably work out to be positive for the libyans. and eventually in all probability, mali's probably not a big enough base for permanent destruction. but a lot of people could get hurt in the meanwhile. and we just have to try to help the africans to resolve this as quickly as possible. >> i mean, there's been reports of afghan fighters, pakistani camps. obviously it's very difficult to tell what's happening in mali. >> whole group of people now associated roughly with al qaeda who have never made a living any other way. so they -- they're basically itinerant fighters. they go where they can make a living and fight and pretend it's some sort of religious struggle, which is isn't. and so i think it's the leave of the instability. we have to be prepared for it. but it's almost like herding cats, you know, because it's such a decentralized operation. >> a sales tip for barack obama from president bill clinton. that coming up next. plus, these baby gorillas. they love having fun. they're insanely amazing to watch. but their lives are in danger tonight. that's "outfront." this is 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story "outfront," i asked former president bill clinton about the election. we talked a whole lot about mitt romney. that's coming up. it sounds a little bit like he's on the campaign trail himself here. >> i think there's an enormous case for president. for example, this economic crisis which he inherited didn't bottom out till the middle of 2009. then they passed the bills. they didn't take full effect till 2010. 2010, 2011, 30 months. we had 4.5 million jobs. is that enough for a full recovery? no. but governor romney recommends that we go back to the bush economic policies. more tax cuts for upper income people. and less regulation. which is what got us in trouble in the first place. now, in the seven years and eight months before the financial crash, under the previous administration, we had 2.6 million private sector jobs. so obama's last 2 1/2 years have produced 40% more jobs than the 7 years and 8 months of the previous administration before the meltdown. >> it's interesting though when you talk about it like this. and you give the example of how many jobs president obama's created compared to president bush. he doesn't talk about it like that. it's not nearly as clear. a lot of what he talks about is more about fairness. it has created the perception among some voters and independent voters that there's a class warfare sort of ageagenda. what could he do to shift it so that's not what people hear coming out of his mouth? >> first of all, i don't think -- when he talks about fairness, he means that if we have prosperity it ought to be broadly shared. but he hasn't done anything to hurt upper income people. so i don't buy the class warfare thing. >> you're saying it's rhetoric? >> it's more perception than reality. warren buffett once said we had a class warfare and my class won. americans don't resent success. we're a society about aspiration. and reward for work. we don't care how many millionaire, and billionaires there are. as long as the middle class people can support his or her family. and believe that they'll be rewarded for work. and as long as poor people who work have a chance to become middle class people. >> michael was a speechwriter for the former president. joins me tonight. along with john avalon from the daily beast. john avlon, why is it we haven't heard the current president of the united states come out with such clarity and precision in laying out the difference between himself and his competitor? >> look, i think in many respects, bill clinton is the great communicator. he's got this ability to make an economic argument that really resonates with main-street middle class voters. and that's something that president obama has struggled with. really distilling economic ideas in the way that resonates beyond the democratic base to the key constituencies. that's what bill clinton is the master of. even off the cuff. >> michael waldman, then when he went on to say, look, what i want is more prosperity, distributed more fairly, so we hear that from president barack obama a lot. then president bill clinton says that americans like millionaires and they like billionaires and they don't have any problem with them. they just want to be able to become them. how come we don't have that sort of rhetoric from barack obama? >> well, this is geographic proof it's not because he has speechwriters. president clinton is very distinct in being able to make arguments about policy in values terms. when he talks about economics, yes, he usings the statistics and he uses the facts, but he roots it in a kind of core sense of opportunity for all and responsibility from all. as he said when he ran for president. president obama has been brilliant as a communicator in many ways about larger american themes. about the country's history. about his own history. but has often fallen flat when he comes to these policy things. so, you know, we all can learn from bill clinton on that. >> i'm just curious, because it's interesting, we're going to hear bill clinton later on in the hour talk about mitt romney. there's some really good in there, there's also some really bad for mitt romney. what can -- how effective is bill clinton now, campaigning for president barack obama? he says he's in camp. then he says good things about mitt romney. how effective is he? >> he's his own man. i think that can be a liability for the president. for example, i just want to reinforce michael's point. he's his own man so he gave the story about how obama created more be j jobs than bush. obama was dealing with a much bigger jobs hole than bush was. for example, reagan and the reagan recovery after that massive recession. the job growth was much, much faster. the thing is, bill clinton is such an artful communicator that he's able to take an idea that's frankly pretty silly when you take it outside of that real context of how big was that initial jobs hole and make it sound very clever and sensible. another thing we need to remember is that in 2008 when barack obama was running against hillary clinton, he was very pointed in saying that, hey, ronald reagan was a very consequential president. help was trying to separate and distance himself from clinton democrats. that's a wedge i think republicans are trying to use. and they're not always successfully using it. but it's certainly something they're trying to use and they should try to use because there's a difference between obama democrats and clinton democrats. >> right. there sure is. you keep hearing it in this rhetoric. final question to you, michael. one thing the president said today, i never heard him say before, was he thought with a mere 10,000 american troops he would have saved 300,000 lives in this country. people were massacred and hacked to death with machetes. horrific genocide. how much does that haunt him? you know him personally. >> i think he thinks about it a lot. i think it is one of the things he's written about, about his own presidency. and certainly in his post-presidency. he's focused so much effort on places like africa. on bringing them forward in terms of economic development. but i think it's also the case that if you look at the evolution and maturation of his military and foreign policy in his second term, something like kosovo, where the united states intervened to stop a genocide before it happened. to stop ethnic cleansing. was the kind of thing that he became quite skilled at and it's something that america -- that our country has had an important role to play in doing throughout the years. >> all right. well, thanks very much to michael. john, appreciate you taking the time. the real hotel rwanda was once a besieged safe haven for rwandas who were fleeing. plus, why bill clinton likes the mormon church. and win fifty thousand dollars. congratulations you are our one millionth customer. people don't like to miss out on money that should have been theirs. that's why at ally we have the raise 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