that i think is very much mike pence's challenge. >> also very disturbing. there are a lot of people in this republican party who are exactly where this woman is. >> i think it's this moment here in this exchange is almost emblematic of our current times politically. in the past you may have a candidate go and hear from different voters in iowa about kitchen table issues, about the economy, what have you. instead, now you have a prominent candidate who is really seeing firsthand the ripple effects, the ramifications of more than a year, more than two years of false claims about the election. we were warn good this over and over again that it wouldn't just be statements that go out into the ether. that people would actually believe these statements and have a lack of faith in the democratic system and continue to believe it. you're seeing sort of those ripple effects and the ramifications carry over into another presidential election here. that moment, that exchange i think is a firsthand example, real example of just -- of the impact of those false statements