american democracy. this is a battle for freedom. when someone's telling you they're going to flex and be a dictator on day one and go after their adversaries, this is against the 200-plus-year experiment of america. this is against what made your fa family and my family successful in this country. and we have to explain that to the american people that what he's suggesting -- they may think his policies are going to work and that sort of thing. but you have to keep the system in place. we have to hire an institutionalist in 2024 and preserve and expand the system of the american democracy. mr. trump does not want to do that. so, absolutely if it's trump versus biden, i will do everything i can to make sure that the president stays in office. >> and anthony, i did want to ask you about -- i mean, i don't know if you were shocked by this.