manifest itself as? >> there was the removal of an immigration judge from a decision. as immigration judges, as jurists, we try to get it right. sometimes we don't get it right. but there are specific provisions in place to address that. removing an immigration judge from a case is not the answer. >> what does that signal to other judges when that happens? >> it's an incredible lack when it happens? >> it yunner mi undermines morat we're charged with doing. provide due process of law to every person who appears before our courts. reality is that not everyone who comes before the courts can be given permission to stay, but the law requires that everybody be given a fair opportunity and due process of law. >> jeff sessions was really the early implementer as the first attorney general, and really kind of put exerting pressure on judges about how they should be deciding cases. he actually said the system