absolutely. it makes perfect sense from two standpoints. one is when a child has had a traumatic experience, there is a certain percentage of those children that go on to become perpetrators. that heritage is often behind somebody who becomes a perpetrator. the other issue here is that of boundaries. the kind of circumstance in that family that is loosely described in that interview suggests someone with poor boundaries which is a great reminder that you could go forward in life and gloss on top a good career, good social skills. but if you don't have treatment for those traumas, those boundary problems remain. and this is precisely the types of tragedies that could occur. >> dr. drew pinsky, thank you for joining us. >> thank you, wolf. up next, the real life hero. a missouri man tells us how he helped neighbors as flood waters was rising around them. and the priority president obama calls the gop's holy grail. le together. today, we'd like people to come together