>> clint hill, author of "mrs. kennedy and me". what would be the difference between then and today? how would you do things differently? >> i have -- back then there were only to assign to mrs. kennedy and today there more than two. quite a few more. i do not know the exact order. that is benefici. there are female agents available. we did not have that luxury in 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963. that makes a great deal of difference. no matter where she went, it drew a crowd and i caused a problem. we managed to do with that. and handle things the best we could. >> you have a story in your book about the main -- a man named roddy mims. >> he was a photographer in washington, d.c.. somewhat of harassment to me and others. on one occasion he did something i was very upset about. i had arranged for mrs. kennedy to arrive in washington on the military flight which is unusual for her. but to do so quietly. a separate section at the national airport. we had arranged for the white house cars to be situated outside the fence, awaiting our arrival. when we got the plane stopped and ready to let mrs. kennedy get off, we opened the gates and let the white house drivers bring their cars in and as we walked down the ramp, not only were the cars coming in but there was a motorcycle coming in which was unknown to me. there were two people on the motorcycle but one in the back had a camera and he was shooting away and it was him. he had penetrated security. i ran and grabbed him and i took his camera and i took off his belt. we went to the white house. he was very upset. i had to turn him over to the police because of his activity. they did not arrest him. but they held him for a while. i got to the white house, the first thing that happened, we were in the oval office and there was the president and his press secretary. they said what happened at national airport? i explained the situation to them. the president looked at me and said, "unfortunately, you're going to be the scapegoat in this situation. we cannot afford to have the press angry at us for what happened at national airport so you are going to get the blame and we're going to return the film to the company that he is working for." i gave him the film, to the appropriate company. i answered to my supervisors and explained i was doing the best i could to maintain her privacy. the president understood also. i was going to have to take the blame. >> you did not use a word about his -- did you accuse him of being obnoxious? >> he was very obnoxious. one of the more obnoxious people i ever dealt with. i've heard that same story from other people and members of the press. >> there is a story about frank sinatra and you taking a phone call. >> they used to take a number of phone calls for mr. sinatra. he called in december 1961 after ambassador kennedy had a stroke and he wanted to talk to mrs. kennedy. jacqueline kennedy. i have informed him, i had been instructed to four -- inform the operator when he called there was -- there were to channel the call through me. i talked to him and explained what was going on. we were in palm beach. we talked for 10 or 15 minutes about various things and that was a common occurrence whenever he would call. i would talk to him. >> what did not mrs. kennedy take the call? >> she did not find it necessary to talk to him all the time. she informed me when she got around to it she would call him and say hello but i do not know that she ever did. i am not sure. >> your book has been on the best-seller list and you have been on the book tour. how many different cities have you been to? >> alessi. new york, twice, kansas city, san diego, san francisco, dallas, houston, chicago, and washington, d.c., and there's more to go. >> what have you found the public to be interested in? >> they're interested in the fact that this is a book that paints a portrait of mrs. kennedy. tells about her life, what she was really like. there is no gossip or salacious information. it is what happened and what she was like an how humorous she was and how intelligent she was. and kind of rambunctious. she'd tried to put me to the test many times and i did my best. >> i wrote down a quote. "whatever you do, do not let her cross paths with aristotle onassis." >> president kennedy gave make -- me that instruction in 1961 when she went to greece the first time, when she went along. she had her sister with her. she went to an open air theater. we were on a yacht named the "north wind." the instruction was not to let mrs. kennedy crossed paths with aristotle onassis. he gave me this instruction in the presence of his brother, the attorney general. i tried to find out why. i found out he was in legal trouble with the united states government and the reason was for them not wanting them to cross paths is it was going to be a political embarrassment for the president and the party if she were seen in the company of aristotle onassis. >> how much time did she spend around him? >> never saw him. in 1961. she had met him with the president at one time previous, an island off the coast in the mediterranean. his yacht was in the harbor. they were there, winston churchill was on board the yacht. senator kennedy wanted to meet winston churchill. they had arranged through mutual friends to go aboard and meet mr. churchill. she had met him. she did not see him in 1961. she did see him in 1963. >> 325 foot yacht named "christina." how much time did you spend on it? >> it was about 10 days, i believe. >> why was she there? >> this was 1963. she gave birth to a bill or a in massachusetts. today's letter, a young patrick died. mrs. kennedy became very depressed. her sister flew in from london to be with her. she and her husband happened to be friends with on nasa's -- onassis. he made the yacht available and they decided it would be a good idea to get away and that would make an excellent platform to tour the area and get away. president kennedy wanted her to do it. members of the staff for free concerned about her doing this because it was -- there were concerned about how it will book. the president insisted cheaper -- be permitted to do it. the wind up into turkey and came back out it was part of the cruise's. >> in your opinion, why did she and marry him? >> it was after rory kennedy was killed. she was very distraught about that. she was concerned about the security of the children and herself. even though she had protection at the time. she was still concerned and he offered something that no one else could offer. he owned a private island, that is where they lived and a private yacht. an airline, he had a great big apartment and he had won in new york. he could offer her everything she needed in regard to your privacy and safety. >> how many presidents have you worked for? >> 5. >> when you think about dwight eisenhower, what do you think about? how old were you? >> i was 27. he was a retired four-star general. he was held in highest regard by everyone worldwide. for a young kid from north dakota to be in the presence of a president was really special. he was a remarkable man. he was quite personable. he did not by name. he referred to as "hey, agent" when he wanted to address us. he loved to play golf. we spent a lot of time on the golf course. we traveled a lot, too. we traveled all over europe and southeast asia. we went to the philippines and taipei and korea. we had -- it was an enormous experience for me. >> you mentioned no. did -- north dakota. you are adopted. >> when i was told i was five or six years old. roll off the street told me, and teasing me i was adopted and i did not know what it meant. and when home to my mother. what does that mean? she was very concerned about the fact i had found out. she was afraid i would not have the kind -- some kind of my relationship knowing that i was somebody else's child. i also had a sister who was adopted. we were not biological. she had been adopted before me. we formed a bond, we would never raise the issue because she was -- my mother was so concerned. >> jack cannady called do client. did anyone else call you "hey, agent?" >> president johnson called me clint and other things. >> steady ever swear you? >> i do not think so. this is a tape of president johnson and jacqueline kennedy talking in december of 1963. let's listen. [audio tape] >> this congress is getting rough and i may have to send for you. >> i hope you will be home for christmas. will you? >> i do not know. >> it is so nice to call me, mr. president. you must be out of your mind with were piled up. >> i have a few things to do but not anything i enjoy more than what i am doing now. how is my little girl? >> fine. [inaudible] noisy in the background. >> tell him hello and i wish you all merry christmas and i wish i could do something to make it easier for you. >> you have to add everything you could. thank you so much. >> you know how much we love you? >> your awfully nice. >> you do not know? >> yes, i do. >> you had better know. all 180 million liviu, -- love you, dear. if you come back here again and do not see me, there is going to be trouble. i have the fbi at my disposal. >> i promise i will. >> i will send for you if you do not come back. >> good. >> sometime it will clear the traffic jam in georgetown. you have a good christmas, dear. >> fenty you. >> good night. >> you spent a year with her after the assassination and she did not want to look at the white house again. >> she had a difficult time. very emotional for. she moved out into georgetown and she did not want to go by the white house. >> she went back for richard nixon. >> eventually. it was -- i cannot give you a year. it was one a portrait was unveiled. -- when a portrait was unveiled. >> you were 28 and she was 31. what are we hearing in this audiotape? is it accurate about either one of their personalities? >> i think is accurate for both of them. that voice of hers is unmistakable. that is her. that is the way she talked. that is the way she acted. it is also president johnson. he was all sweetness and light when he wanted to be. and it was different when he did not want to be. that was him, the way he was. >> who named this book, "mrs. kennedy and me"? >> it was lisa mccoven. she is a fantastic writer. you should talk to her some time. >> you were here to talk about the kennedy detail, the book that you did with gerald plane -- blaine. >> i contributed to the book and wrote the foreword. he -- she took the information he had put together and worked on that and went to great lengths to obtain information from the agencies and contacts. she put all that information together. it was in the process that she asked for my help. i was in dallas. gerry blaine was not. she needed to talk to someone who had been there. i got to know lisa and trusted her and had confidence in her. she convinced me the information i had about mrs. kennedy was historical. and should be documented. over time, she convinced me that does -- that is what i should do. a former white house reporter came to me and said, we have covered the president and mrs. kennedy. we were never permitted to interview her. we never really knew her. you did. you owe it to the american people, the public to document that and put it down on paper. after a while, i thought, "welcome i might as well do it." >> when was this book finished? >> we had a deadline of september 1. we finished it november 1, 2000 -- 2011. >> since your last year, the eight and a half hours of conversation between arthur slesinger and mrs. cannady was released. [audio tape] >> he never did them. he could have made his council on human rights are something or gone ahead with it, equal opportunity, he could have done more with the space thing. he just never wanted to make any decisions or do anything that would put him in a position. what he would like to do is go on these trips and he never liked [inaudible] national security meeting. he would just say he agreed with them. he would keep really quiet. >> were you there? >> i was in the house. i had talked to arthur schlessinger. i was not in the room. >> recorded in 1964 between march and june. what i want to ask you, robert caro's book is out about the distance between the johnsons and the kennedys. what did you see there? did you see any of that? >> there was certainly a difference between the two. over time, i saw. it affected me in 1964 when i was transferred from mrs. kennedy back to the white house to tell with president johnson. one of the first things that happened is we went to the lbj ranch for thanksgiving and he spotted me as i was going from one post to another. he put the word out to the two agents closest to him he did not want me around. he knew i had been with the kennedys. he did not think i should be there. they told me about it. youngblood went to talk to the president and convinced him i was there as a professional and i was not there as a political. he finally agreed to allow me to stay. >> when did you end up having up his detail? >> two years later. >> how did that go? >> it was one of those things. there was going to be a change at the very top. they have their trust between myself and another gentleman. apparently, they talk to the president and i was selected for the job. >> what did you do with gerald ford? >> i was the set -- assistant director. >> you are not on his detail. >> i was responsible for the men that were there. >> how about richard nixon? >> it with him. i was promoted to assistant director. >> what have you found that people expect from you in this book? you say no gossip, none of that. some people say it implies these two were very close. closer than just agent to protectee. >> we were close. very close friends. professional. i knew a lot of her secrets and she . it is accurate in saying really close. i wanted to have people get a better understanding of who she was. there have been a lot of books written. most of it has been written by people who talked to friends of friends of friends. people who do not have the information themselves. i happen to be there and i knew her. we had a direct relationship. i finally decided it was time to put on paper and let people know what she was really like. did she ever get mad and you? and if she did, why? >> she got upset a few times because of certain things that either happened -- she was not the kind who got mad. anythingg to remember that really upset her. i remember when she was thrown from a horse and came off a horse because of a photographer. she was mad but not at me. she was mad at the photographer. i tried to get the film and could not get it. >> who was a photographer? what were the circumstances? >> marshall hawkins. she was riding with the orange county hunt. i was surveilling her on vehicle. we did not ride with her on horses. they thought it was too dangerous and expenses -- expensive. we surveiled her from a vehicle. i noticed there was someone in the bushes and we're going to have to jump. before i could do anything, he stood up and the horse approach defense. -- the fans. the horse put its hoves into the ground and mrs. kennedy went over the head of of the horse. she fell off with her hands extended and did a role and got right back off. -- roll and got right back off. she was not hurt. but i was mad, myself. i chased the photographer. i did not get the film. >> she was between 31 and 34 or 35 in your 28. -- and you were 28. >> i was there in 1960, i started with her after the election. caroline was three years of age. i had a boy that was 4 years old. we have that one child and john was born in 1969 and another boy in 1962. we had children almost the same age. >> i went back and researched the years that children were born and caroline in 1957, a miscarriage in 1955. a stillborn child in 1956. it would not have been there for that. and john jr. in 1960 and you mad -- you mentioned patrick boothby cannady -- bouvier kennedy. >> when john was born in 1960, the president was not there because he had to come back to georgetown. he left that evening and flew back to palm beach. he was setting up his cabinet and everything. when he left that evening to go to palm beach, i found that mrs. kennedy was going to go to bat for the night so i went to my home. a couple of hours later i get a phone call. yet been taken by ambulance to georgetown hospital saar rushed over there and john was born. the president was on his way to florida at the time. it could not get in touch with him until he got on the ground in florida. we notified him of what was going on and got on the press plane because it was after. we flew back to washington so we got back early in the morning and came to the hospital to see mrs. kennedy and a new baby. >> how did you remember all this? >> it was imbedded in my mind. >> did you keep notes? >> i did but i destroy them a few years ago which made it more difficult. >> why? >> i promise i would never write a book. i vowed i would never do so, never contribute to a book or talk to anyone about it. just to make sure would never get myself involved, i burned everything. there were few mementos i kept. for the most part i burned all my notes. now when the opportunity presented itself and i decided, i have to go back and talk to other agents for worked with who did have extra notes. and check everything through newspaper archives for dates and times and places to make sure was accurate. so it was very tedious. to write the book. >> you remember the year you burn your notes? -- burned your notes? >> 2012. it was maybe after 2005. >> what changed your mind? what really changed your mind? >> this was historical and i have read a number of books written about mrs. kennedy. a lot of the information and there's not very true for the most part. i thought it was time that someone brought out the truth, what kind of person she was, what she was like. that was one of the big reasons i wrote it. >> you said she lived in seven different houses when you were guarding her. >> cape cod, palm beach, two in palm beach. two in cape cod, that is four. she spent time in newport, that is 5. newburg, camp david, the white house, [inaudible] in georgetown, another house, a lot more than seven. >> why did she need all those different places? >> they left georgetown to go to the white house and then they built. after the assassination, she had to leave the white house, she did not have a place to go. someone offered his house for sheehan the children to move into. the house across the street became available. so she bought that house. then over time, the local bus company owner thought this would be a great tourist attraction and he started running tourist buses by there and we could not stop it. we tried. he refused to stop. she decided, time to move from this area. and move back to new york city. we went to new york and she found a place at 1040 fifth avenue. that was another residence i forgot to mention. on the cake, they owned a house in the kennedy compound but it got very congested there because of the business of the president. all this press and everything else. the first year they stayed in their own home but realizing how busy it was, they had a place on an island in the next two years. one was -- [inaudible] and another house. they regularly stayed with ambassador cannady but it became too much for everyone. they had a friend who had a home and the least the house in palm beach. in middle birk -- middleberg, they leased a place but the owner terminated the lease. they had to build a house [inaudible] that was another house she lived in. >> what kind of trouble that the cause for you? >> it meant that every place there was a resident's, we have to reestablish security and we had to set up new communications. it caused problems. when she built the house in middleburg, called wexford, we built in some security devices and they decided