he has announced he will retire from active duty. i think you would like to get back to his life. >> harris: on the president has said he might even want him to campaign. >> marie: it's a broader conversation that just eddie gallagher and what he was or was not convicted of and whether he should have his trident pin. the president has done this with a number of military cases. he didn't just do this with eddie, to others at the same time. reaching down into the military justice system, and it seems to many people, including many of the military, downplay the importance of rules of engagement and the fact that there are very strict rules. there are many military people on the record, katie. don't sigh at me. they say what i just said. >> katie: want to talk about the rules of engagement under barack obama, so strict that the casual rates -- this happened in 2012. this is when this happened for the rules of engagement were very different and very strict, and the casualty rate went up. if you want to talk about that, we can. >> melissa: there are two ways to look at this. it's interesting, you're right, a lot of people are saying that. the flip side of that is that people are saying this is like