sufyan bin qumu. see this no, spontaneous reaction. but for some reason, the obama administration is linking the violence to a movie. >> and as i have said, the video that sparked the protest is disgusting and reprehensible. >> eric: that was today. here is white house spokesman jay carney yesterday. listen. >> based on what we know now, and knew at the time, we have no evidence of preplanned, or premeditated attack. >> eric: jay carney today says it's self-evident it was terrorism. so americans deserve some answers. why won't this president call a terrorist a terrorist? hillary clinton, madam secretary, smart lady, do you really think it was all about a movie? jay carney, c'mon, you know better than what you have been saying. ambassador rice, please stop insulting our intelligence. this is a coverup of the highest levels of the united states government. don't they realize this just emboldens al-qaeda? andrea, the issue here is what is the perception in the muslim world? what is the perception among radical muslims? how does the obama administration treat what is going on in the middle east? >> andrea: considering that hillary clinton is on the hill lobbying for more aid to the countrys egypt and libya, they're laughing. they are saying they are not even going to acknowledge this was an act of terrorism. the only reason that jay carney came out and said it was self-evident. if it was, he should have been more self-evident himself, because the national intelligence officer came to capitol hill and admitted it was a terrorist act. look, they knew from day one this was a big embarrassment. they have gotten terror wrong before. remember the bomber, they said was isolated incident, lone wolf. they make the gaffes because they don't want to acknowledge real terrorism. eight weeks before the election, national humiliation on their hands and they don't want to be held responsible for dropping the ball. they did. they were warned. >> eric: is that what this is? the obama administration not wanting to call terrorism terrorism with 87 days left before the election? >> greg: they called fort hood workplace violence. in that definition, the libya terrorist attack was a pride march. it worry how beyonce and jay-z are taking the news and will it affect the consumption of champagne? do you think jay carney thinks benghazi is a person? america desevens better than the cast from "happy days." if the administration was a tv show it would be "you got no talent." >> eric: are they that misinformed or are they covering something up? >> dana: i don't know. then they say they don't know. then they say they do know. black is white and gray is white and black. then the spokesperson for the white house says it's self-evident it's terror, it's saying don't bother me with your silly little questions. on september 12, the day after the attack, president obama talked about terrorism in his remarks. three days later, we hear it's all about the video. the spokesperson at that time said the video is not in response to anything about the administration, it wasn't about america. then today they say oh, obviously it's terrorist attack. okay. terrorist attacks to me cannot be both spontaneous and premeditated. it's one or the other. if is it a terrorist attack, then they had an obligation to say what they will do about it, if anything. >> eric: maybe explain, bob, you call this the day after the attacks. you said look, it doesn't look like they were -- it was a protest that ended up killing the four diplomats. it looks like a free planned attack. that video from reuters showed attackers. there were no protesters. you were right. let me ask you this -- that video there. why didn't the state partment know about this? if they did. did they drop the ball? >> bob: do we know for sure this was taken before the -- >> eric: according to reuters. >> bob: a couple of things strike me. why they don't own up to it is self-evident. it was in fact a terrorist attack. i have serious questions about this. if there was someone let go out of gitmo in 2007, who is the mastermind of this, the white house would and should, more than likely would have blamed the bush administration for it. but that indicates to me we don't have the pieces put together here yet. this was done, demonstration done in egypt, cairo at the time. you can argue i suppose they use that as a cover. hard to make it as a cover if there is nobody there. nowhere near the mob that was initially thought. >> greg: going back, you did mention that the real important thing here where was the pronext? you usually see security at selena gomez in shopping mall appearance. ridiculous. i have to go to what i said before. in this administration it's knee-jerk response to blame anything but the source. blame is appeasement. this is coming from the sense of belief that america is always at the heart of problem. always our fault. it bleeds to foreign policy. >> andrea: think about it. the first response is not call it terrorism. it's to call it everything else. they expect libya to work with us to bring the thugs to justice. that's what president obama said. what did the administration do days after the attack? they threw the libyan president under the bus. he said this is a terror attack and the administration said he doesn't know what he is talking about. if i'm the libyan president i go what? thanks a lot. by the way, if egypt is such an ally, where was the egyptian military to help protect the embassy? >> bob: the egyptian military is there driving them back. using water hoses and other things. >> andrea: water hoses? super soakers? >> bob: i don't know if you have been in front of a water hose -- >> greg: i did a movie once in germany with a water hose. >> eric: or is this orchestrated coverup because president obama has taken victory lap after victory lap. treb slogan bin laden is dead but g.m. is alive. if this was a coordinated attack, preplanned 9/1 9/11 retribution attack it takes the legs out of his -- >> bob: there are a number of consuls around the world. they outsource security and they did to british security agency. why did they not do it effectively, i don't know. i don't think you expect to see the grenade launched missile off somebody's shoulder at protest. >> eric: you are refuting the news you broke on tuesday or wednesday. you said it wasn't a coverup. it wasn't a protest that inspired the deaths of the foreigambassador. >> bob: i said it was a terrorist attack but where was the security? >> eric: i'm glad you asked that. univision asked president obama and he refused to answer the question. look at this video. i'll talk about this video. we are spending $780,000, spending $70,000 on ads that are airing on pakistani tv, saying we're sorry we had nothing to do with the movie. is this the right message we're senning radical isla islamists? >> perhaps the intel community told them this is what was needed in order to get people to calm down. looking at the pictures today from pakistan. it doesn't look like it was working. troubling to think if you, at the opening when you talk about possible al-qaeda guy, the former detainee of gitmo under the libyan government control under gaddafi, current government has very little control. if al-qaeda is now able to be spontaneous a planned without any detection, that was interesting. last monday, mark peason of the "washington post" wrote a piece about president obama and how few times he attended the intel briefings in person. he gets the paper product every day. but he didn't go for a week afterwards. guess what? he has gone for the last five days a row. all of a sudden. mark wrote about that today. >> eric: the news broke last night that this al-qaeda guy may have been part of the mastermind behind the attacks. i don't see it in the news. >> bob: this is my point. don't you think they'd they he was let go under the bush -- >> dana:>> i imagine at some point the obama administration will blame president bush for. this president bush's position was to close gitmo as well. there was a problem with recidivists, detainees getting back on the battlefield. obama promised to close gitmo. they have a responsibility to track the guys. they didn't uphold their end of the deal. now they're trying to tell us -- >> bob: i'm saying i'm surprised the "new york times" didn't say that. >> eric: i see on the upper right, these are above the fold. tight race, obama wields all leaves of power. >> andrea: i'm sure that there is other stuff. other ridiculous stuff if you go further. this is the reason the administration can change their position quickly. the media is not going to cover it. another point, why doesn't our security embassy in these countries have live ammunition and water guns instead? the final point is this. pakistan gave its people a national holiday tomorrow to protest. this is a huge story. the ads aren't working because they will take the day off tomorrow in pakistan to protest. >> bob: i think the $70,000 is well spent. dana is right. intelligence community, anything with the steam out of this. maybe it didn't work. what else you going to do? >> andrea: p.r. campaign. >> greg: if only we made the soccer field at gitmo bigger they wouldn't hate us as much. >> bob: hot water in shower. >> greg: speaking of hot water there is no way to get rid of the steam. the steam was there before we were born and it will be there long after we're dead. they hate us. >> eric: good way to sum up. remember when candidate obama promised this? >> under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. >> eric: uh-oh! guess what? promises broken. millions of americans are going to get hit with a crippling obamacare tax. got the numbers next. >> bob: crippling? >> eric: tax. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> dana: all right. president obama has been promising since 2008 he will not raise taxes on people making under $250,000 a year. remember this? >> i can make a firm pledge. under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year, will see any form of tax increase. >> if your family makes $250,000 ra year, or less, like 98% of americans, you won't see your income taxes increase by a single dime next year under my plan. >> and do you remember when then house speaker nancy pelosi said this in the obamacare debate. >> pass the bill so we can find out what is in it away from the fog of the controversy. >> dana: well, now that we cleared that up, we know what is in the bill and it's not good news for the middle class. according to estimate by the congressional budget office, 6 million people have to pay a penalty adding up to $8 billion a year. set the stage here and tell you why one of the reasons the congressional budget office got it so wrong initially. they were under the assumption based on what president obama white house said that unemployment would be at 4.9%. now they estimate because of the fiscal cliff, because they have to estimate it won't get fixed it would be 8.7% by then. so the most, in the most volatile election, the most enduring unpopular piece of legislation is destined to get more unpopular. not only will 6 million americans instead of 4 million have to pay the tax, they won't have health insurance either. >> eric: i'm glad we are calling at it tax. that is what the supreme court called it, a tax. here is what is going on. beside the fact that more people will be unemployed than they expected in the debate, people realize, companies realize it's cheaper to take the penalty than put people on healthcare to obamacare. you have that, there are other people who are realizing this. that the i.r.s. is the group that is going to be responsible for monitoring who is on health insurance and who is not. but they don't have the power to garnish wages or freeze assets so they are only going to do this, assess you an amount you owe. they can't make you pay it. they can't put you in prison for not paying it. underpay taxes and owe the i.r.s. every year and get around it. >> bob: look at the tape. he said your income taxes are not going to go up. run the tape. >> dana: that is not how they billed it. >> bob: i'm saying that is what we said in the tape. rerun the tape and look at what obama said. income taxes. but even so, the people ought to pay that. they call it a tax. if they are not willing to pay for insurance i'm not willing to take them either. don't take them in emergency rooms. let them be in the street. >> andrea: wow. >> what a compassionate liberal that is. >> bob: you say someone is not paying $700 to leave themselves up for to us pay for it if for the rest of their life? >> andrea: pretend you're the person you don't care about. >> bob: i didn't say don't care about. >> andrea: pay a $650 penalty or $5,000 a year premium? what will people do? same thing happened in massachusetts. they said i don't care, i'm not paying it. i'll pay the penalty when i get sick. what does that mean? that a bunch of people when they get sick come in and out of the system. driving costs through the roof for everybody else. >> bob: talking about young people that don't have health problems and they get on the snowboards and go down and break their back. we have to pay for paraplegic the rest of our lives. >> andrea: snowmobiles? >> dana: that happens all the time. >> greg: i finally figured out what nancy pelosi meant when she says you have to pass something to find out what is in it. she was quoting her proctologist. this thing stinks. this is the problem with collectivism. advocates do the collecting. the definition of the greater good, it only harms people who can't afford it. if the greater good fails, it's you. not them. why did communism and socialism kill 100 million people? trying to get it right. to make something free, you got to do it by force. >> bob: you are the same people that sat around the table and said medicare advantage would be in trouble. medicare advantage went down in terms and -- >> dana: okay. bob, president obama and -- >> eric: the funding -- [ overtalk ] >> dana: funding cuts that president obama put in obamacare for medicare advantage haven't started yet. the program is a pilot program that everybody admitted was just a ploy to get through november so people, that were senior citizens in florida and ohio didn't lose health insurance. jo there was a slush fund in obamacare, demonstration fund. the cut to medicare advantage were already in there. but they knew it would be devastation. what did they do in take $8 billion and paut band wade on it. there will l be seniors furious, because the administration has played a game. >> dana: if president obama, if they were to win again, they might have to subsidize medicare advantage on the back end. it's paul ryan plan. >> eric: do you scratch and wonder why aarp is in favor of obamacare? when medicare advantage is gutted everybody will flock -- >> bob: how do you know -- >> dana: because it's in the bill >> 's in the bill. [ overtalk ] >> dana: bob, stop. cuts to medicare advantage are in the obamacare bill. we knew that before the bill was passed. didn't have to wait until after it was passed. >> bob: medicare advantage says the costs have gone down. >> dana: in the pilot program. >> bob: i want to know what you dot tt the 30 million uninsured. what are you going to do about it? >> andrea: first, the cuts are the law of the land. when the $8 billion runs out. a lot of seniors will lose the benefit. democrats are jumping up and down and say look, the cost will go down. people don't use the healthcare when we're in town. they can't afford it. >> bob: ridiculous. >> andrea: it's not. it's facts. >> bob: a fact. okay. all you seniors out there that are not obamacare filling prescriptions e-mail us. let us know about it. >> dana: seniors who like medicare advantage and want to keep it. >> bob: how many out there are not filling the prescriptions because of obamacare? [ overtalk ] >> bob: and what do you do with the 30 million who don't have insurance? >> greg: not my problem. make an example. capitalism is based on the faith that people make sound choices about their lives and the economy shapes itself around this. if you want to look at something like lasik surgery it's more effective and cheaper because it's not tied to insurance. you can get your eyes fixed at fraction of the cost it used to be. we're fearful of the only engine that ever worked in our lives. that is capitalism. we want handle that. >> bob: i hate to step on the capitalist train but i got lasik and it was paid for by insurance. >> andrea: you didn't. >> bob: i did! >> andrea: i'd love to know the plan. >> dana: i put mine in health savings account and obamacare eliminated those, too. coming up, obama campaign is now selling its version of american flag. greg has the story of ways obama supporters are pledging allegiance to the president. directly ahead. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> greg: once again, disciples are pledging allegiance to the prophet obama. haven't seen this devotion since the last election in north korea. the rituals writing on yourself. after all, you're just a chalkboard for change and empty slate in every sense. oh, natalie portman, we're dual live impressed be -- duly impressed by the belief you're so raise. it's nice a rich actress thinks other women need government as the husband. look it's jared leno supporting a woodsman beard and the best picture in years. what happened to the dope? the message on his hand is the longest script he has read in years. and jim messina, owes campaign manager making a hand gesture that on planet obama means take me, i'm yours. if you find anything creepier than the photo, lance it. kitten hair is every bit as infectious. modified american incorporating the obama logo. meaning whatever obama is, he is better, more sophisticated than what passes for american. once again, the president demonstrates that he is the only president in history who seems to think that the job is too small for him. this all creeps me out. as many of you know, i don't creep out easily. i guess i'm just not one for cults. they always end up in empty bank accounts and tears and regrets. i'm just not swayed by the cool kids adopting the cool religion. what would these people do for their leader if asked? what would chi for you? you don't need to ask. they're doing it now. and if they get four more years you will writing on yourself, too. it will be help in chinese. >> how do you know it says help? >> i had expert do it for me. >> dana: i thought it said buy our bonds. >> bob: who were those people? does anybody care? really? >> dana: obama campaign does. >> bob: i don't know who the people are and nor do i care. i don't see what the big deal is. >> greg: the cool people forming a cult. >> andrea: i think this is try to get the youth vote out this time. you asked what would a cult leader ask you to do that you wouldn't want to do? remember david karesh asked the followers to put on the bright white sneakers? i would don't that. not changing in my shoes for bright white sneakers. >> greg: can this turn people off? how can you vote for something or someone that jared lito would like? he doesn't anything good since "fight club." >> eric: they want the young youth vote. do they have the youth vote and the east coast and the west coast? cool set? so middle america is going, independents are going this is what i want? i want four more years of this? the economy stinks and all this guy can think about doing is hanging out with celebrities and buying $800 bottles of champagne. >> dana: earlier today the press zealot said it's self-evident that it's terror. we have more important things to talk about like the celebrities are writing on their hands. that's the gimme department at the -- gommic department at the obama. treb last one? don't accept a wedding present. add to obama campaign. sell your