the man over exposed? >> what's your favorite part of the factor? >> jesse watters. >> surprise, surprise, surprise. >> bill: caution, you are about to it enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. >> bill: hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. the debate over guns, ramps up. that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. there is a group called mayor's against illegal guns. founded by new york city mayor michael bloomberg. yesterday they went to washington to make their case for stricter gun control. basically the group wants to ban assault weapons and high capacity ammunition magazines. they also want background checks for every gun sold in america. and they would federalize a few gun crimes but not many. in order to get attention for their cause, the mayor's group needs some high powered, pardon the pun, folks backing them up. enter a few celebrities, including chris rock. >> i am just here to support the president of the united states. the president of the united states is, you know, our boss. but he is also, you know, the president and the first lady are kind of like the mom and the dad of the country. >> bill: wow. so mr. rock is supporting tighter gun control because that's what president obama and mrs. obama want. and mr. rock, above all, wants to be respectful to the presidency. quite a change. >> bush is unbelievable, man. this guy's un[bleep] believable. he ain't the worst president of the united states. he is the worse president of presidents. the worst pta president. president of black association. president of major league baseball. worldwide wrestling federation. worst president ever. >> bill: summing up mr. obama is the good dad, mr. bush the bad dad. then there is singer tony bennett who also wants stricter gun control. >> i just believe that assault weapons they were invented for war. they shouldn't be in our streets here. it's the kind of turn that happens to the great country of germany when nazis came over and created tragic things and they had to be told off. >> bill: well, a few things mr. bennett might want to consider. the nazis were not told off. they were defeated by brave men armed with guns. also the nazis took most guns away from civilians, both german and those under occupation. in fact, hitler imposed the strictest gun control on earth and mr. bennett, the only reason the nazis didn't get further in their quest for world documentation is that folks in the balkans and france and other occupied countries hid weapons and then used them against the nazis. those people were called partisans. now, we asked tony bennett and chris rock on the factor, they declined. i think we all know why. so this is just dopey. we need intelligent debate on the gun situation. not ridiculous posturing. talking points has clearly stated that gun legislation is needed and all gun crimes should be federalized. trotting out vac could youous, word of the day celebrities gets us nowhere or am i wrong? -- you saw this dog and pony show, it hurts your cause because you need persuasion. you need to persuade most americans that tighter gun control is necessary. and trotting out chris rock and tony bebb -- bennett. i'm telling you couldn't get two worse guys to persuade anybody. >> well, i'm going to disagree with you a little bit there, you know. first of all the press conference which i spoke at included a lot more more people than chris rock and tony bennett there was survivors. >> bill: who gets the face time though? who gets the attention? >> well, as far as the media goes, that's not up to me. as far as the press conference itself went, we have had a lot of interesting people with different perspectives up there. >> bill: surely you are seeing my point. the mass media reaches the folks. these are the people that you guys bring in to represent yourself to the mass media knowing they will get on entertainment tonight, they will get on the factor, they will get on the other programs. they come off as misinformed, uninformed, let's be charitable. all right? it doesn't help you guys. >> well, i mean i think chris rock's point, if you can get past whether you agree with how he presented it or not was that we support the president. and the president has come out with strong leadership on how he believes and some suggestions that he has made on how we might be able to address this issue in a comprehensive way. >> bill: it's not enough to say we support the president if you are chris rock because we all know that. we all know he is a fan of mr. obama. what rock should have said, if he could possibly put the words together and i don't believe he could. was, you know what? this is why i feel that president obama is correct. this is the america that i would like to see. and articulate some points. but he can't or won't do that and he comes across as a partisan buffoon. >> well, he can do that. i have heard him do that. >> bill: he didn't do it yesterday. >> this was a big press conference. >> bill: we asked him to come on this program and he he wouldn't come on. >> well, you know, there is reasons for that, i'm sure, you know, you probably understand. but going back a second to the press conference yesterday, you know, a lot of people spoke there. and they made some really interesting points. you know, amanda pete was there and she talked about funding for research on this issue and the importance of putting more money into funding this issue so we he have better data on what works. >> bill: we don't have any more money here and you know that look, we can't be -- you and i are not far apart on this issue, by the way. all right? we are not. >> i agree. >> bill: i want the government to have control over gun violence. i mean, i certainly want that. and i think 90% of americans want it, too. including many of the nra members. it's how you go about it taking guns away from law abiding people, not going to solve the problem. federalizing all gun crimes with mandatory minimum 10 years sentences for people who violate, that will solve your problem at least partially. you will never stop the nuts. i will give you the last word. >> well, i would just like to say that taking guns away from law abiding people isn't an issue because we have the second amendment and the heller decision which doesn't allow for that. >> bill: that's what the assault rifle deal is all about. >> the assault rifle deal is something we need to talk about. as i said initially that would be great to know more. after newtown it's amazing if we at least don't have a conversation about whether we need all of these weapons out there and so easily available. i mean, the impact that they can cause is profound. >> bill: that's what this program is here for. >> only thing we should do? no way. >> bill: that's what this program is here for. that's why you are appearing. but rock and bennett and all these other people they won't aappear because they simply don't know enough. i'm suggesting to you, i'm sure there are other people that feel the way you do, who are famous, find them. thanks for coming on. next on the run down, another celebrity getting involved with politics, ashley judd and karl rove's group is is going after her. wait until you see this moments away. 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and you say? >> oh, i say i'm living in california where arnold schwarzenegger won because he is a celebrity. some people would say in new york that's why hillary clinton was voted into the senate. we have seen people in washington, sony bono, gopher on the love boat. and there are people in kentucky that are younger, that are not of the mind of senator mitch mcconnell and i say it makes the senator look bad because why is he worried? a, she hasn't announced that she is running and b i thought he felt very secure in his position of representing that state. >> bill: i don't know what mcconnell has to say about it we should note zerlina that ashley judd is not chris rock and tony bennett. she went to my alma mater. i almost flunked out and she did very well. she is very smart. shea doesn't mix it up. she won't come on this program. i have been trying to get her on for years. she simply won't do it. and, i think that the strategy is, look, this money -- this is woman is going to be able to get a lot of money because she is a celebrity. so all the guys out in hollywood will be writing her checks. we want to kind of define her now before she gets any momentum. which is a pretty smart deal for rove and his crew, right? >> yes. it's a very smart strategy. but i think it's off the mark. because she is not a vacuous celebrity. >> you can portray her that. >> she is the biggest wynn wynn wildcats basketball fan probably on earth. she is connected to kentucky in real way. she may live in tennessee now. that doesn't mean if she moved back to kentucky,. >> bill: i think she actually has bought something in kentucky. i think she is going to go there. we will all agree then that ashley judd is not chris rock and tony bennett and that the republicans have to be worried about her. i think. i think they have to be worried and that's why they took out the ad, leslie. so, come on. i mean, the ad was a smart play. >> yes. it was. but, premature. my 4-year-old daughter wants to be president. should i get her a press person now to combat any negative ad campaigns? >> bill: no, no. just is in play. if they can demonize her enough, before she actually announces, that's good for them. you know, you know, leslie, i'm going to ask you a quiz question here. who are they taking their cue from here? who? >> well, i'm sure you are going to say it's my side. right, bill? my democratic liberal friends? >> bill: the obama campaign demonized politic romney at all, did you? >> you know what, bill, what the ad doesn't say is really anything that any voter doesn't know. the people of ken are smarter than that i mean, certainly we democrats like or even love our president. agree with him. we have the same ideology. >> bill: yeah, the hill billie thing and elitism thing. all right. so you wouldn't cop to rove stealing stuff from the obama campaign because they won because they demonized romney didn't they? >> oh, yeah. >> it's clear that republicans and karl rove's group are very concerned because mitch mcconnell is only polling at 47%. set incumbent. >> absolutely they don't want to lose old mitch. they don't want to lose him. okay. leslie, last question for you on this. i don't want to belabor it. but my point was. in the beginning of the program. that using people like tony bennett and chris rock to support some kind of very serious situation like gun control is really dumb, is it not? >> yes and. no. >> yes and no, here would go. >> no, no. chris rock i didn't think was prepared. but then again sometimes just the presence of a big celebrity can should light -- shed light on an issue. >> >> bill: tony bennett was real prepared, wasn't he, leslie? >> served our country in the army in world war ii. he is an older man. cut him some slack, okay? >> bill: i'm not cutting him anything. he shows up, he opens his mouth, he is in the debate. i think it hurt him. >> that's how arnold became governor here, bill. >> we are talking about it it because celebrities endorsed this very important issue. >> yeah. he heard your -- he hurt your cause. you don't think they hurt your cause? >>. no because part of getting what you want done is getting people to pay attention. >> they are paying attention to it they have got to be better people than that all right, ladies, thanks very much. we will have karl rove himself as i said on the factor later on. directly ahead, laura ingraham on the big benghazi and cia hearings today. later, watters world goes where few men have ever gone or something. watters wanted more exposure. we gave it to him. upcoming. to grow, we have to boost our social media visibility. more "likes." more tweets. so, beginning today, my son brock and his whole team will be our new senior social media strategists. any questions? 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>> well, one thing that was interesting i thought from the panetta testimony is when general dempsey, he testified with leon panetta, chairman of the joint chiefs and he said he was surprised when he was pressed that hillary clinton didn't read that all important august 15th cable, right, where chris stevens said we aren't going to be able to repel an attack in benghazi with what we have. he was pressed on that. surprised didn't see it yeah, i would say i was surprised. i thought that was interesting. because it looked like buck passing going on panetta and demps dr. from the state department. people are wondering why we didn't have armed aircraft in the vicinity. well, we didn't have enough time essentially saying the state department didn't request it. so, it all seems like fingers are pointing in the other direction. and i didn't learn all that much. >> here is what i think happened. and you can -- i don't want to do this anymore because nothing is going to happen. all right? nobody is going to be disciplined. nobody is going to be scolded. nobody is going it admit anything. the ambassador over there christopher stephens knew security was bad outside of tripfully. all right? the embassy where stephens lived was protected by marines. he had enough there. he knew when he traveled in the country he didn't have enough security. he told the state department that in writing. all right? what else could he do besides resign, all right? hillary clinton didn't read the memos. that's how people delegate sometimes. she didn't read it she didn't know it she wasn't paying attention to it. panetta didn't know. he is department of defense. he is not paying attention to that. all right. dempsey didn't know. is he not paying attention to that it all goes down, okay. and the bottom line is the state department didn't protect their guy. it's their fault and that's that. bill. the thing about this though is panetta and dempsey and they said well, we didn't have the time to deploy the aircraft. >> bill: they didn't. >> graham pushed them on it and mccain pushed them on it and i think at the end of all of this, we think about all all of this went down, it was 9/11. they said there were 300 threats around the world. >> bill: yep. this wasn't any old outpost. this was a place where the british had pulled out. we had seen major incursions in that area. we had the front of the gate blown out already on that compound earlier in the year. so they had lots of warning science. >> bill: they were watching in egypt as you remember egypt went up before. that's where the military is watching. not a backwater like benghazi. i don't blame the military here. i have got it get on to brennan. brennan is the architect of the drones blowing people all up over the world. >> 700% increase from george bush. >> bill: as we pointed out last night there is a hypocrisy in the way the media covers this because they went miss taker call over waterboarding, they don't say much about the drone strikes until now. now a few of them come out and say something. i support the drone strikes because i believe that the cia is doing what they should do it to eliminate these al qaeda people and protect not only the civilians, american civilians but the armed forces. so we don't have to send seals in. we can blow these guys up and it's war. >> bill, what we have also had people like stanley mcchrystal's former general mcchrystal say the problem with using these drone strikes, to the extent that we are using them, 300 plus now, is that they actually cause an enormous amount of, you know, people are resentful overseas because of all the collateral damage and obviously there was collateral damage during war time, everybody knows that. but for obama, he he came into office, get rid of gitmo. getting rid of gitmo. unstretch hand and unclinch first and world is going to be a better place. mcchrystal's point is we have to be very careful here. if that's one of obama's goals. new america, new approach it's not bush. then essentially when used against american citizens, which we haven't talked about, this has all sorts of other repercussions in the middle east. bill till it has unintended consequences. i support the drone program. i do. >> do you support them against american citizens. >> bill: if they are working with al qae