0 say. >> republicans need to become parents of a new future with latino voters or we'll need to resign ourselves to being a permanent minority status. republicans pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration. the conversation needs to start by acknowledging that we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants. my hope is today we begin a dialogue between g.o.p. and latinos. dialogue that shows the g.o.p. sees all immigrants as assets and that latinos can see the g.o.p. as party of opportunity. >> andrea: well, he is one of many who have turned their position toward a more forward-looking position on immigration reform. dana, this would be almost unthinkable. i think years ago your former boss came out and talked about immigration reform. a lot of folks on the right stayed away from it. they're all moving in that direction. politics or the right thing to do or both. >> dana: they did more than stay away from it. they destroyed it. it wasn't -- the democrats didn't come to the table to show cards. the republicans and certainly the talk, talk radio circuit was really difficult. i remember we used to ask tony snow when he was press secretary, go on all the talk radio shows. put him in the room for an hour. bring him vanilla latte anytime he wanted it and get him to talk to people to understand what was going on. i think the bill failed because of politics. reading today in president bush's book "decision points" he says he wished he had done immigration before social security, because he thinks there would have been bipartisan support for it before he tried. but it failed mostly because harry reid called a cloture vote. over, some of the issues take a long time to marinate. that that as people thought it through, i think they realize it's not having a good comprehensive immigration policy is hurting us economically and it's not the right thing to do. it's time to solve it. i admire everyone for coming to the table. but i want to make a point. what rand paul is saying is contrast to gang of eight. his idea is security first, legalization and then citizenship. gang of eight put forward legalization, security and then citizenship. that seems like you could find a compromise, but that is a big leap between security and legalization piece and flipping them. >> andrea: what do you think, eric? >> eric: rand paul opened up a can of whoop-ass on the hill and they were flooded with calls say dog you care to weigh in on rand paul's idea? he threw people for a loop. he came out with an idea at one point he said leads to path of citizenship, which is different from a lot of things they say and has been proposed in past. what he said talk tablet comprehensive immigration reform, without the citizenship part, might have had a lot of people on board. but he took the up-side he had from the filibuster on the conservative far right, and he blew it out of the water and said you know what? marco rubio, let me give it back to you. give you the ball back. in essence this is rubio's idea plan but rapid pau rand pae conservative. now he has people scratching his head. me inclusive. >> andrea: do you think there is a lot of people on the right scratching their head? there were voices at cpac but how much of a challenge do you think it would be. marco rubio made rounds on talk radio. a different response than before. it seems like the majority of the g.o.p. moving in that direction. so how much push back is he getting? >> greg: there is head scratching but mainly because of the bed bugs in the hotel. let's forget about the mexicans. it's the wrong argument. we need a path to citizenship for america's far left. who is more productive in america? mexican working three jobs or your average "new york times" editor? think about the left first. i would like to salute the people nobody talks about the legal immigrant. no one talks about the legal immigrant. the guy that waits in line. the guy that doesn't jump over a fence or get to a tunnel. these people wait in line and do the right thing. rand paul is right. in order to do this, you have to create a system. you can't sneak in to disney land. first, you strengthen the borders. then you get in line behind people that are already there. then you chuck the criminals. you have can'tp do three and two without one, though. one is necessary. >> eric: they already broke the law. they have broken the law coming here. let them continue to break the law and give them the same voting right as someone has broken the law? >> greg: i said they have to get in line behind everybody else. >> eric: you say illegal immigrants who will eventually get voting rights. >> greg: if they're good people who work hard, heck yes. the victory here is for the media academic complex. maybe argument for the border, sign of victory. if you want something that mexico has, you are somehow seen as racist. meanwhile, mexico, what is your role in all of this? nobody is trying to get in to your country. yet, you criticize our immigration policy. >> andrea: what do you think of this flan of course, security first. and chuck schumer and other democrats said we agree with that. there is an issue how long they want to make them wait. getting, to go to the back of the line is a fair policy. it's time that republicans embrace it. i long said that. >> bob: first, let me say this about rand paul. he has risen in my estimation, i was critical of him last year and probably not fairly. but i think this is a very reasoned he took here. it opens the way, we'll now have immigration reform. the question is -- >> eric: because of rand paul? >> bob: it opens up on the right. enough conservatives. >> eric: watch his ratings. watch what happens to the ratings. just watch. >> bob: this gets down to the question of status of residents. and the question is do you ultimately become a citizen where you become a person here legally being able to work. you know, do whatever you want to do here, except not vote. >> eric: rand paul had said that -- >> bob: the problem is it is that issue. citizenship. that even among conservative republican hispanics that is key in their mind to what would be a fair deal. george bush figured this out a long time ago. governor of texas. he never had a problem with it. >> eric: do you know what per sen tam of hispanics vote democrat? >> bob: sure i do. >> eric: 70%. 70% plus. i'm scratching my head trying to figure out why the number went from 20 million to 12 million. the rhetoric went to 12. i realize now because the democrats change the debate from 20 to 12 to make it look like there will be fewer votes they garner when they offer amnesty. >> bob: there were a lot of people that went back in the recession. leaving that aside. 15, it doesn't matter. in the end will there be a way after everybody who is legally here gets through that process. you can earn your right to citizenship. that for the republicans is the real test. i agree with greg about this. the democrats have had a very -- it's easy for them to accuse them of racism, because of illegal immigration. but it's like social security. we have own that issue. people are going to take advantage of it. if you take that away. i think you see the hispanics go to 40%. >> eric: wait a minute -- 40% of 12 million? 8 million of the 12 million will vote democrat. it's a no win. do you want to win a republican race, don't do this. >> bob: 2004, george bush got 44.3% of the hispanic vote. >> andrea: that becomes the question. they are not going to be able to get that bill passed through this congress. thinking pragmatic i. will they won't get it done without a comprehensive piece. what rand paul did today is maybe he disappointed a lot of people in love with him last week. but i think the good thing about him is he has true core beliefs. there is a lot worse that you could have in washington today. >> andrea: i do doubt that the republican party will be able to pull the voters in the party. but from right thing to do perspective, i feel like is it the right thing to do. maybe that's just because of my father's story and i see how hard he worked. i do see that there is dependency issues. i get that with every gender and ethnicity. i get that. everybody is susceptible to this. from an economic standpoint, too, it may be economically sound. we have an aging population. we need to people to start paying in the programs. carlos gutierrez, on my radio show today he goes, "we don't have enough young people, andrea. what are we going to do?" >> bob: go back to the point >> andrea: "criminal" being, do you consider them a criminal because they came here illegally or they came here and committed a crime? >> greg: i mean people doing bad stuff. i want to say there is, i can't remember who talked about it. but america was created by risk-makers. the people who came over here, risk their lives to come over here. i would rather have a person who risked their lives to come here and work hard. >> eric: no, no, no. look. >> greg: making a point. >> bob: we have had in our immigration policy a fast road to citizenship for people who have desperately needed jobs like engineers and mathematicians. we need more of those. that ought to be part of this bill. that you get a faster track -- >> dana: i'm for the non-educated, too. >> bob: yeah, both. >> andrea: i am, too. strong guest worker program. coming up, ten years ago today, the united states attacked iraq. we'll discuss how the country is faring post-saddam and debate the question a lot of people are asking. was it worth it? that's next on "the five." ♪ ♪ what's droid-recognition ? understanding you clearly... what is the capital of zimbabwe ? 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