0 sitting in the oval office? thank you for being with us tonight we've got new polls up, lots to talk b gretawire.com. good night from washington, d.c.. low forever. ain't happening. tonight at 8:00. >> hello, everyone. i'm dana perino. along with andrea tantaros, bob beckel, eric bolling, and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." it's 11:00 p.m. in egypt where new clashes between the country's interim government and supporters of the old one have thrown the country into another wave of chaos. more than 600 egyptians have been killed within the last 24 hours. president obama made a statement on the deteriorating situation from martha's vineyard earlier today. >> the united states strongly condemns the steps that have been taken by egypt's interim government and security forces. our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back. as a result, this morning, we notified the egyptian government that we are canceling our biannual joint military exercise which was scheduled for next month. i want to be clear that america wants to be a partner in the egyptian people's pursuit of a better future, but our partnership must also advance the principles that we believe in. >> bob, that was president obama earlier today. you worked at the state department. dealt with a lot of different crises over your time there and have watched many. is the president just caught between a rock and a hard place here and did he put himself in this position? >> i don't think he put himself in a position. it is a rock and hard place. interesting thing he said there, we cannot continue as usual, which means the $1.8 billion that goes to the military, is what he's talking about. >> i don't know. >> well, don't know what? >> i think they're going to -- the white house, state department said they are going to review all of the aid that we give to egypt but, andrea, they did not say specifically they would be ending military aid, although that is on the table? >> they didn't. he also said that he doesn't take sides. president obama. and i do think he brought this upon himself because he does take sides. he took the wrong side. it's unfortunately too late of a statement to make and it's not factually correct. i think they're on the verge of a civil war. president obama, again, had the muslim brotherhood at the white house numerous times. he has allowed them to persecute coptic christians, allowed them to push through islamist government, he's allowed them to implement shariah law and it's all gone unchecked by this government. if i were him today, he can't do this, it's too late, because the brotherhood is his team now, i would have come out and declared the brotherhood a foreign terrorist organization and then enemy of the united states because -- >> what do you mean picked the wrong side? >> because they spawned al qaeda, they spawned other terrorist groups, and the leader of the muslim brotherhood is calling for attacks on our embassy. >> i've heard you say many times why didn't we stick with mubarak because he was our ally. every one of these generales were doing mubarak's business when he was president of the country. >> doing what business, bob? >> doing exactly this, crushing people. >> they were keeping peace and the terrorists at bay. >> you can say keeping the peace. the people in that square are largely supportive of that military, that more pro western leaning military. >> and we are right now, we have decided not to call it a coup. remember that. that was a big and important position for us. >> this is actually -- is an interesting thing they had to deal with. if you go back to the arab spring, you have mubarak leaves, the muslim brotherhood comes to power. they finally get to power. and they screwed it up. >> yeah, they did. >> so now the military has taken back over and the united states is reluctant to call ate coup. i can understand why. do you think that at some point they have to call a spade a spade? >> they can't cuall it a coup because once they call it a coup, it means they would immediately by law have to cut off the aid. look, so i asked myself, what do i care about egypt? all day. why do i care about egypt? i care about egypt because it shows how president obama can't handle an international crisis. we give him a billion color -- about $1.3 million a year. >> more than that. >> time to stop that. rand paul put an amendment up about a month ago it failed 86-13, to stop funding egypt. it's time to rethink that idea. stop funding egypt. muslim brotherhood wants to take egypt back with a vengeance. we already have headaches with the muslim brotherhood and other islamists in iran. we don't need one in egypt. >> what would you do? >> time for president obama to show some leadership, show the world what a leader, american leadership looks like. >> doing what? >> get off the golf course and back to d.c. and get in the situation room and do -- >> you want to put boots on the ground in egypt? is that what you want to do. >> do not want to put boots on the ground. i want to stop funding their boots on the ground and find out what else we can do, what like the outcome. >> is this a coup? when the military -- >> sure it's a coup. >> you have to stop by law -- >> you're not going to call it a coup because israel does not want to call it a coup because israel wants the military to stay in place to protect them. >> so when you're the commander in chief he's in a different position from us who can lob bombs from outside, i don't mean actual bombs. >> secret service don't come after me. >> you can get arrested for that. >> something "the washington post" editorial said today, before -- this is this morning's paper. they said before the july 3rd coup in egypt, so the "washington post" calling it a coup the obama administration privately warned the armed forces against-outing the government of mohamed morsi. when the generals ignored the warnings the white house responded by elects to disregard the law itself. because of those decisions the obama administration is complicit in the new and horrifyingly bloody crackdown. greg, are you surprised that some of the folks on the left and in the foreign policy establishment world are actually coming down harder on the president than the right seems to be? >> well, he didn't just bet on the wrong horse, he bet on the entire stable and he's like -- he should just basically now stay out of. it he's like a player who scored the goal for the opposing team. just bench him because it's not going to get better. >> bob -- >> the only ledge verage we hav the $1.3 billion to the military if you take that away and you don't have leverage it's not like the guys aren't going to get money to succeed. saudi arabia and kuwait will give them money. >> the same people are running this government right now when mubarak was there. the same people. >> at that point i think we have to admit that was a mistake. rather than -- the muslim brotherhood remember, they assassinated sadat. they're not good people. >> they're not. they spawned hamas. they spawned al qaeda. mohamed morsi pardoned abdul azim who conducted the first are terrorism attack on our consulate. he called for the pardoning of the blind sheikh. before benghazi libya, we're stand there, zawahiri were calling for the release of the blind sheik and attacks to our consulate and our administration pretends like they are our friends. we should mind our own business for once and stop metalling in a part of the world that will not. >> of course they're going to be in that position. >> they don't like us. >> wipe them out -- >> they don't like us. >> i'm not saying they do. >> i suggest you don't tell -- you don't take the military -- no, i don't. you have to. >> then what? i think we have to continue to pretend it's not a coup and try to get the military to move it towards an election we can rig well enough so they don't have -- >> it isn't about democracy. it's about people wanting to live their own lives, sell things on the street, just to be mildly prosperous. that's the -- that's why as earth lings we should be embarrassed. why does this still happen? 20 years from now, whatever iteration of the five this is with andrea tantaros jr. and eric beckel jr. and bob we'll be doing the same story. look at headlines of every newspaper from 20 years ago, the middle east over and over again. i'm tired of it. >> if i could suggest to everybody, i've been to cairo it's the worst city in the world. >> hasn't changed in 30 years. >> it's got flies, hot, sand. >> it's the keystone, the linchpin of the arab world. >> absolutely. >> never let it slide and we should have left -- >> you keep saying that. >> never let the muslim brotherhood -- >> you think we had a position to keep the mu bar rack in power? >> yes, i do. >> how? >> getting our knows nose involved in their business calling for his ouster was a mistake. the time to say something was in 2009 in iran. >> there were 2.5 million people in a square calling for his ouster. >> bob, you're missing the point. >> fourth century church -- >> 1400 years of radical islamic fighting are not like us. in that article -- >> of course they're not. >> what i heard, we, i, the u.s., i, president obama. we always think it's about us. >> i understand that. >> they're fighting a religious war when christianity is ons the line. they're bludgeoning each other and we're over here making it about us. it's ridiculous. >> bob, one last chance to talk about another thing that greg alluded to which is the muslim brotherhood, one of the things that some of the people there that belong to muslim brotherhood did was to attack and burn some of the christian clutches there, the coptic churches. you haven't seen any of the arab leaders or the aymans to say that was wrong. >> they haven't. >> do you think the administration -- do we have leverage to put pressure on them to say something to protect at least in some way the people who are there that practice christianity? >> the real problem is in the northern sinai which is the coptic churches. most are fleeing. we ought to give them asylum. if they stay there, they're dead. >> last word to eric bolling. >> asylum here? >> for coptic christians, yeah. >> interesting. >> we gave it to the cubans, we can give it to the coptic christians. >> is that your last word? >> yeah. >> interesting. >> honestly, i think we are -- it's a no win. it's an absolute no win. no matter what you decide to do, you're going to pick -- eventually you're going to pick the wrong side over time. again -- >> you just have to hope you make the -- >> let them figure it out. >> hope we decide to make the least bad decision. >> rename the whole area no win. >> you could come up with an acronym for that. >> no win is an acronym. >> what is it? initialization -- >> yes. >> the initialization. >> i wish you could keep up. this is embarrassing. >> a muslim group organizing a million match on d.c. on the anniversary of the terror attack of 9/11. why they are protesting. trouble for the clintons? 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