0 sentences on conviction. for example, if a stop and frisk operation here in no, takes illegal gun away from somebody, that somebody gets a mandatory five years in a federal pen. if that somebody commits a robbery with a gun, he or she gets 10 years. assaulted with a gun? 15 years. that zero tolerance policy would drastically reduce gun crime throughout the u.s.a. how about illegal immigration in the solution here is to make illegal entry into the united states a crime. not a civil beef like it is now. overstay your visa or sneak into the country, $10,000 fine. you can't pay it, six months in a detention center. if you deport and come back here, 10 years in the federal pen. you want to stop illegal entry, that will stop it. also, a business owner hire illegal aliens, $10,000 fine for each person. there you go. i just solved the gun and immigration problems. but there is little will in washington or in the media tomorrow brace tough solutions. it's much easier for politicians and pundits to >> bill: okay. if you agree with that, i think it's the primary factor. why isn't there more emphasis on solving that problem? why are there no public service announcements from your organization or other civil rights organizations telling black girls don't become pregnant? that's not going to lead to anything good? >> well, here is where i think i would extend invitation to you to come down. >> bill: i don't want invitation. i want to know why you haven't put out a campaign to fight against these pregnancies that are leading to crime and poverty. why haven't you done that? >> bill, you are not hearing the messages that go on in the community every day in the houses of worship, in the meetings that we hold and the programs we are undertake. >> bill: obviously you are not getting through. >> no. you focus on the headlines that may be on cable television and also the headlines that may be in the newspapers. the reason why i invite you in is because there is a whole conversation that takes place beyond the mainstream media in the community, which is deeply concerned. talks about these problems. >> bill: it's not working. do you not understand, mr. morial, i'm sorry. >> morial. >> bill: do you understand what you are doing is not working. >> no, what we need. >> bill: come together from the president on down, stop the b.s. stop the diversions, stop, you know, accusing people of one way or another, and come to some solutions and the first solution is, you have got to stop young black women from having babies out of wedlock. you have got to discourage that actively. and the second thing is, you have got to demand discipline in your public schools in the inner cities, particularly, get the unions out of there. have the kids in school uniforms, and demand standards in discipline. i don't hear any of that from jackson or sharpton from you or from president obama. i don't hear any of it from you guys. government, against the nation. but we also have a responsibility to work to find common ground. if you and i can agree, that will send a signal. >> bill: but i don't think we agree on the solutions. >> about the need to file. >> bill: i don't think we agree on the solutions. i think we agree on what we want but not the solutions. >> you and i -- but you and i need to talk more because i'm sure we could find common ground. because i think when people talk they can find common ground if we agree. >> bill: a lot of people dying while the chatting is going on mr. morial. we appreciate you coming on. and you are welcome to come on any time you want to come on this broadcast. >> thank you. >> bill: charles krauthammer on the failure to solve problems like black crime. later ben carson on the grievance industry in america. also ahead senator marco rubio on obama care. will try to deny funding for the new law. kate and william make first appearance with the new my mother made the best toffee in the world. it's delicious. so now we've turned her toffee into a business. my goal was to take an idea and make it happen. i'm janet long and i formed my toffee company through legalzoom. never really thought i would make money doing what i love. [ robert ] we created legalzoom to help people start their business and launch their dreams. go to legalzoom.com today and make your business dream a reality. at legalzoom.com we put the law on your side. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] if y can't stand the heat, get off the test track. get the mercedes-benz you've been burning for at the summer event, going on now at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer. but hurry, offers end july 31st.