of the will are just in the world that puts that more people imprisoned than anywhere else. it's just constantly this assembly line with like lucy and the chocolates, that's the way the whole thing worked. it's not law in order. it's not perry mason. it's not like trials with -- how much can we get done in one amount of time. and that's true here. it's part of the deeply systemic flaw of the entire system. >> right, and who can cooperate. who can cooperate. what can you hang over people heads so that they can get to people who are actually organizing and. but the prosecutors were making those decisions, and they're very hard to second guess, if the government tried for more. people tried about seditious could serious be, these cases would've taken a very long time. and many of them likely would have not succeeded. so they're doing, they're taking with they can prove. >> yeah, it's a really good point. this is all other elements of american criminal justice, embedded in the scale of the system, which is just sort of grinding on the background