to articulate a party's ideology. i don't know that people feel that in their day-to-day life, the way they feel something like a child tax credit. and it would seem to me that that is part of the challenge for dems, right? how do they continue to deliver things that people feel in their lives. and this is the point i want to bring you on, how do you make sure that they take and make credit for those policies? >> that's exactly right, alicia, notice earlier when we talked about lifting 8.5 million people out of poverty, i said, democrats did that and did that through the american rescue plan, exclusively democrats. it's important for them to herald this up and down the ticket, up and down cities, states, across the country to let people know, let constituents know that they deliver this exclusively. and you're exactly right, alicia. people hear the phrase debt ceil welcome and they're like, that has nothing to do with me. because at a personal level i'm required to balance my checkbook every month, but that's not here nor there. but i think the real thing is
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