>> i just have to press you on this. do you think that would be like a prophylactic protection from changes being brought? can you pardon yourself before you've been charged? >> yes, you can. leaving the part about self-pardoning but can you pardon somebody who has not been charged, yeah. look at gerald ford with respect to richard nixon. you can in this country do that. there's debates in other countries that have the pardon power whether you can do it but here it is not necessary to first be charged and convicted before you can get a pardon. >> so now because of you, i will be on pardon watch every day. david, andrew, you both always expand my thinking of this extraordinary moment. thank you for that. when we come back, coronavirus cases on the rise again, sadly, in the united states. dr. patel on that and why on