some say could reignite into our next. are we next? that's the question hanging over baghdad today. sunni insurgents sweeping through iraq are closing in on that capital city as the u.s. weighs whether to intervene. here's the president just moments ago speaking from the south lawn of the white house. he said this is a problem back it's not necessarily our problem. >> this should be a wake-up call. iraq's leaders have to demonstrate a willingness to make hard decisions. united states will do our part but understand that ultimately it's up to the iraqis as a sovereign nation to solve their problems. >> but politically and strategically, this could become more of our problem than the president would care to admit. fighters with isis seized two cities in the last 24 hours, facing little resistance. mostly surrendered without a fight. u.s. backed iraqi government is desperately enlidsing anyone and everyone willing to take up arms. joining me now from the white house is howard fineman, editor director. this is a war that had been declared over. how difficult is a position is the president in reopening that book domestically and also on world stage? will this trigger blow back? >> in every respect it's a difficult situation for the president who just left the white house a little while ago. i can say to you here on the north lawn, it looks pretty bleak in every respect. the american people have no interest, every poll shows in sending troops back to iraq. that's off the table for the president. and indeed his entire candidacy and presidency was based on ending the war in iraq. he has no room politically to maneuver. his political support for using them will be very low. in military terms it's not clear what we can do. without boots on the ground and intelligence on the ground and eyes to see human eyes to see, you don't bomb indiscriminately or on targets you think are appropriate in iraq because of the potential of collateral damage because of the possibility of making the situation worse. as richard engel was reporting from iraq, you don't trust the maliki government to call in the air strikes on right people. militarily it's difficult. in terms of global diplomacy, there's no interest around the world from the good guys and people we would consider allies in doing anything to try to put a lid on an increasingly difficult and explosive situation in iraq. >> and look, what you're describing gets the president a lot of flak from more hawkish elements on the hill. you highlight why his caution may be wise. it's also the case in the last 24 hours, we've seen how extreme the elements are. they declared the border between iraq and syria no longer exists in their opinion. could they redraw the map in the middle east? >> well, the maps of the middle east as we know were drawn in modern times literally on sand. they were a fiction in many ways to begin with and cover over sectarian and ethnic differences that go back literally thousands of years. it was a hope and fiction in the george w. bush years that installing essentially a shiite government in iraq, would -- that that government would somehow be a government of reconciliation with the sunnis and ethnic kurds in the northern part of the country. what we're seeing now, after the americans have left, after the alliance of other countries has left, after the maliki government has been left to its own devices first by george w. bush and then by barack obama, that things are falling apart. the maliki government did not include the sunnis in any meanle fg way and kurds in any meaningful way. now we're seeing the consequences of that as the resentment. sunnis provided fertile territory for the islamic state to grow not only in iraq but also now in syria. >> we're going to be looking closely at exactly how frout the history is. we're seeing all of the political blowback unfolding today and before the president's remarks. take a listen to what mike rogers said earlier today. >> these are al qaeda-minded individuals and would kill americans in a heartbeat. and so we need to disrupt that momentum. >> how does the president best respond to some of the elements that just are constantly calling for more intervention? >> well, by making the case that it was the lack of care and lack of knowledge of these deep divisions of both religious and ethnic sectarian and ethnic, in the first place that got us into the problems we're in now. the lack of sophisticated understanding or desire to know the sophisticated understanding on the ground by the bush administration, created the kind of situation that he's had to deal with. there may be questions to ask how vigilant in the last year or two the obama administration has been. the obama administration and the region has been concerned about afghanistan. there's a certain desire on the part of the american leaderships as well as the country to forget about iraq. bumt the root of the problem was the fact we went in and the way we went in to begin with in 2003 and it's been -- it's what got the president elected, ronan, the mistakes of the bush administration that got the president elected. he thought he ended it properly and tied it off if you will, almost like after a surgery. but now it's bleeding again. does he bear some responsibility? of course, he's president. the roots of the modern political and military and diplomatic problem in that region begin with george w. bush. >> howard fineman that is exactly a such sink summary of the president weeks ago saying he wanted a lighter footprint around the world. this makes it more difficult. stay with us, everybody, let's go back to the political reaction and how it responds to that history. perennial favorite, senator john mccain said that we should have seen all of this coming. >> the fact is we had the conflict won. and we had a stable government. and residual force such as we have left behind, we even have forces in bosnia, korea, germany, japan, where we could have but the president wanted out and now we're paying a very heavy price. i predicted it in 2011, you can go back and look at the quotes. >> so is the problem too few entanglements or too many? sunnis controlled iraq for centuries until of course the fall of saddam ushered in the shiite government. here's the thing, even as u.s. spent those long eight years fighting those ousted sunni militants, they also dabbled in supporting, arming and training some of those same militants. some say that was part of the turning point that led to a supposed victory in iraq. that was what happened in 2006 when the al an bar awakening movement happened when local tribesmen offered their support to coalition forces and in some cases signed loyalty oath to fight for the u.s. backed iraqi government. now with sunni insurgents hoping to take baghdad even, how does that legacy of proxy war look in hets tr retrospe retrospect, author of the at war blog, this is of course john burns, someone whose work i've been a fan of for a long time. thank you for joining, sir. did this somewhat schizophrenic american relationship with iraqi sunnis create a certain two-state dynamic do you think? >> there are plenty of people certainly in washington, d.c. on both sides of the great political divide there who are looking for ways to blame america, american presidents and state department and american generals for this debacle -- current debackal. of course there's plenty of blame to go around. but to my mind what we're really seeing here is something that was absolutely inevitable from the first american foot hold in iraq, a deeply fractured society with strong sectarian passions and animosities going back for a thousand years. and from the start it was very improbable that the united states would be able to construct any kind of government that could bridge those animosities. and god knows they did try. how many nights did i sit talking to american diplomats and ambassadors and commanding generals talking about those sessions they had, but the shiite government, which took over after the elections that took place there was always fundamentally resistant to any notion that they had to create a space for the sunnis, a space in the sun for the sunnis. they were filled with vengeance, nuri al maliki, the prime minister in particular, felt a very strong urge for vengeance. now that we see american tanks captured by the isis fighters storming what were american bases just outside tikrit as we have done today and raising the black islamic flag, it seems to me we could conclude this debacle, is a story foretold. we knew or should have known this is how it was going to end. >> given that narrative of tragic inevitability that you're talking about, do you think any further engagement of the kind of president may be contemplating is fool hearty? >> i do think searching for a champion in this is a fool's errand. it needs to be said that the maliki government, whatever the faults the united states may have been the maliki government has never behaved like a democratic government. it has itself relied heavily on armed and brutal militias and it seems to me that we would do better not to choose the champion in this, how this will come out and how it will effect the american position in the middle east, the chaos it may bring on other nations, very hard to foretell. but any american involvement at this time seems to me would be adding to the huge amount of treasure and that america has expended there, 2 to 3 trillion dollars, 4,400 dead soldiers and i was one -- i was one amongst of those who felt the toppling of saddam hussein would be a good idea. much of us who lived through this now have concluded that the best thing in the united states and west can do is stay out. >> john burns with a dark set of predictions there. thank you so much for joining, sir. we'll keep you updapted as more news breaks. up ahead, it is phase three of the reintegration process for sergeant bergdahl, back on american soil now finally. but just how friendly is he going to find the atmosphere in the united states with so much divisive reaction on all sides of the aisle. we're going to look at that right up ahead. ♪ all stations come over to mithis is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. how do i win?ight.everyone wins. because we're streaming the movie that you love. well, how do i win? 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>> he needs to go through all of the same channel that's any other deserter would go tlo. he did abond on his platoon, yes, he needs to be tried as a deserter and court-martialed. >> what's your reaction to returning to duty? >> it would be very hard, the military is very tight nigknit,r him to return to a big army unit where there are certain soldiers who heard about the story from other soldiers honorably discharged and respected, it would be very hard for bergdahl to be fully accepted in an army unit, i think. >> some of sergeant bergdahl's writings have revealed a little bit about his psychology and seem to paint a picture of someone fragile and uncertain about serving in afghanistan. how typical is that of the men and women you served with? >> everybody reacts to being deployed differently. you're far away from home. in certain cases in infantry units getting blown up, getting shot at. everybody deals with that differently. some people write, in people watch movies and spend lots of time in the gym. bergdahl's way of coping with that was writing things. he never shared these writings with anybody but himself and no one in the platoon saw these specific writings. >> the pentagon has announced and "new york times" reporting confirmed according to them that no one in fact killed in the search of bergdahl. are you skeptical of that claim? 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