0 >> are you kidding me? >> that's right. >> 148,000 jobs were added last month. >> why are so many workers getting their hours cut? >> we are seeing the opposite. fewer part timers in the work force. >> of win the argument. >> obama care is indeed a train wreck. >> the law isn't wonderful. a. >> massive premium increases. >> hype eigher premiums. >> are you kidding me? >> mr. ted cruz knows which side won. >> there are a couple of truths, i.e., facts. >> who cares. >> have you really thought your strategy through? >> until some one stand up to him. he will keep going. congressional republicans have their work cut out for them. democrats, feeling more about their chances. >> a lot of angers. is aimed at republicans. >> win the argument with the am scan people. >> never tell the truth. >> the shut down was magnificent. prescription. mammograms, birth control are now free. that's all happening right now, because of the affordable care act. and all ready many americans have used the new health insurance marketplaces to find affordable coverage. even as we boost our efforts to get the site working as well as the it is supposed to, we are boosting efforts to make sure folks can been the same call teal insurance plans. the old-fashioned way or over the phone or in person. >> david axelrod, former senior adviser to president obama. and ezra klein of "the washington post." i want you to listen to something marco rubio said to night to bill o'reilly. >> it is unfair that on the one hand you are telling people if you don't buy insurance next year the irs will come after them with a fine. unair to say that to them. and then make it so difficult or impossible for them to been the health insurance. what the bill would say is that the obama care website has the to be up and functioning for six consecutive months before they can begin to enforce this individual mandate on people. >> david axelrod should democ t democrats support a bill that ignores the mandate and how long the bill will be in the full function offi functioning of the federal website. >> lawrence, i would wait and seep how things work out. we'll see whether the fixes we haved materialize. if they do, we have learned quickly, there is a huge demand and interest for the coverage that the exchanges offer. but jay carney and others signaled that obviously everyone is watching this. no one wants to disadvantage people. what we shouldn't dupe iso is at to become fodder for people who want to gut it from the beginning. >> unbelievable to hear the crocodile tears, people can't get health care fast enough when they have done everything they can to make sure they can't get it at all. >> let's listen to what mitch mcconnell said this weekend. >> even if you were lucky enough, bob, to get on to sign up you are going to find fewer choices and higher premiums. >> ezra klein, fewer choices, higher premiums. the mantra. of the republicans. >> an interesting important change. the republican, actual argument about the affordable care act, the problems they're having are not good ones for republicans right? not a great problem to have that your website is broken. because the answer is you should fedex your website and go on about your business. that is the problem republicans need the affordable care act to have. premiums have shot up. choices have convicted. they need their predictions to come true. >> you know, i have had the money. been very harsh on the administration for how the launch is rolled out. a technical disaster is the term for it. i have watched, as that gets repeated into the right-wing, right-wing politicians it becomes. i said it is the greatest threat to the economy. delayed for a year. it is no good for them to have the affordable care act broken, you need these doomsday predictions to come true t in this case they haven't. we have had the slowest health care spending growth in the last 50 years over three. premiums came in below what congressional budget office estimated they would be at. when the law passed. in terms of the insurance product. has to come in abut what or better than expected when the law was signed march 2010. >> david axelrod. marco rubio said on o'reilly, 300,000 policies have been canceled in florida today. and of course, what they've don't explain is that those policies do not fit the new requirements that help, what health insurance policies must contain under the new law. they're inadequate policies being junked in favor of the policies that will be available on the exchanges state, in the states and on the federal exchange. and that -- that dollar for dollar. comparing the value of these things. there isn't an increase in cost. >> true as the ezra said. no one knew -- there was a hope. but no one knew for sure, what would happen with these rates. before this began. the competition worked. insurance companies came in with competitive prices. no doubt. there is this, this, this absolute lie that keeps getting repeated. that everybody's premiums are going up. the fact is most people who are going off to the exchanges are going to get especially with the subsidies, an extraordinarily good deal. many would not have had health care at all. one interesting thing, senator cruz in your opening piece. one thing that is worth noting if you look at "the washington post" poll this morning. since senator cruz started talking and talking and talking. support and, despite all of these problems with the website. support for the affordable care act is actually gone up. it is in a better position today than since the beginning of the discussion. so, when people learn what it is that is being offered, there is great enthusiasm for it. the tax is to fix the website so the great demand can be met. >> ezra, an insistence by republicans the affordable care act is a job killer, and insurance for full time, not part time employees. cutting back on full time. getting part-time workers. not doing hiring. the cost of hiring is so much higher. can you referee that one for us. >> yeah, there is an issue here. the way that the law streets sort of full time employees of the, of the 50-person or more work places. and don't offer insurance is not great. things we could and shoe duuld . the obama administration delayed it. part of the law that isn't going into effect. is killing jobs. over from a year where wem started. >> possibly never go. >> they're saying. i'm got going to hire somebody who i need now because way off in the distance. >> the other piece. a small number of firms. you are talking way over 90% of the firms offer health insurance. they're not dealing with the law at all. ate very small number. firms are not paying the fine. and, you had in the opening. he and others noted. we are not seeing a rise in part-time work. in full time work. we hatch not seen the job creation. you want to increase job creation. don't shut down the government for a month. don't all most breach the debt ceiling. don't reap fuse tax increases. invest in infrastructure. there are incredibly direct, crucial, important ways we could create jobs right now. for folks who are interested in zero of them to talk about this bank shot are uhment being disproven by the data. it is such a cynical way to treat a jobs crisis. washington has moved on from. it makes me fearous. >> david, are you still in the white house, how would you handle this website crisis of which there are two parts. one is the public discussion of it. and the management and the public discussion of it from the white house perspective. then actually fixing the problem, which is of course the much more important part. >> that is the most important part of it. if i was in the white house. as i'm sure they are, kicking a bunch of folks in the butt every day to make sure that what need to be done is being done. i think they also need to be -- they need to beep for forthcomih the public. report on a regular basis as the to the progress is being made. problems that are being addressed. so people understand there is work underway. this has been shrouded in mystery. i don't quite understhand why that is. i think it is better to be straight forward about it. you know people, on the cover of "the washington post" today. front paige of tge of "the wash post," the website for common application. has created great problems. >> that's not a government issue. it seeks to the fact that some of this technology can get complex. the codes are difficult. and there are glitches. they need to fix it that. need to be clear what they're doing. and do it quickly. if i were in the white house, i would be communicating regularly on the mixes also would be very, very tough on the people who are responsible, to get those other times done quickly. >> ezra klein, david axelrod. thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. >> alling up, the sea party is against the tea party. later, the good night polling news for house and senate democrats and very bad news for the republicans in the election. and in the rewrite, 50 years ago today, here in washington, president kennedy gave a speech. it was about a topic that was not then controversial in the least. built is now. so toxic from republicans. that they don't even want to talk about it. later, we'll have the latest on the problems with the federal website for the affordable care act. we'll have an expert here to tell them how to fix it! 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