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MSNBCW The Rachel Maddow Show June 7, 2016

Has secured 3,280 delegates in addition to the 36 pledged delegates from sundays primary in puerto rico. She tweeted were flattered but we have primaries to win in california, montana, new mexico, north dakota vote tomorrow. Heres what she told supporters at a rally in long beach, california. According to the news, were on the brink of a historic, historic, unprecedented moment. But we still have work to do, dont we . We have six elections tomorrow. And were going to fight hard for every single vote, especially right here in california. [ applause ] the Bernie Sanders campaign issued a statement saying it is unfortunate that that media in a rush to judgment are ignoring the Democratic National committees clear statement that it is wrong to count the vote of super delegates before they actually vote at the convention this summer. Secretary clinton does not have and will not have the requisite number of pledged delegates. Shell be dependent on super delegates that can change their minds between now and then. Kelly odonnell has been following the democratic race for president. Shes in santa monica this e evening. Anymore word from the clinton or Sanders Campaign at this moment . Reporter there is a sense of anticipation but the day is wrong, if you will. Both campaigns knew that it was likely this sort of a delegate math would be done but a bit of a surprise its on the eve of the primary and not on tuesday, perhaps after new jersey is closed and i was covering Bernie Sanders over the last several days in california. He had expressed concern that the media might do its own calculation by contacting delegates and making this kind of call. For Hillary Clintons campaign, it is a bit premature in terms of their own messaging. Because shes been wanting to drive up as much as possible, voter interest in turning out on tuesday in order, from her campaigns perspective, to get a bigger win if shes going to win california or the other states involved and wanting to show strength going into the fall season and for the Sanders Campaign, there has been concern that any call for secretary clinton might in fact encourage some voters simply to not participate. And so the campaigns have not really wanted to see this happen, even though the math has been clear for certainly Bernie Sanders has been making an argument that he wants to see this process change. He was very careful to say its not a rigged process because he knew what the rules were for the Democratic Party involving super delegates and how the pledge delegates work entering into this race. But one campaign you can expect Bernie Sanders to go forward with beyond his own candidacy is a fight to change the system for our nomination process and the nominating process works in the future future. Theres been a lot of question about the role of super delegates. Et of cour of course, hes wa the fight through the convention the actor tony goldwyn spoke directly to sanders supporters urging them to come on board for unity and we heard recreitary clinton say she wants to unite the country and the party. Thank you for joining us as the sun begins to set on your Camera Position in santa monica. Thank you, kelly. Joining us now the nbc political analyst, Pulitzer Prize winning writer for the Washington Post and director of elections for nbc news. John, you made the news tonight with this projection. Bernie sanders says in his statement its a rush to judgment. Its certain. Ly not a rush to judgment. We essentially looked at the pledged and super del degatedel. Secretary clinton did very well in puerto rico. She gained more pledged del dw s delegates there and we had super delegates decide to support her over the last day. So, was this math or phone calls . The pledged delegates are math in the sense of theres allocation rules from the Democratic Party that we do this and thats what we did in puerto rico last night. And theres a list of 713 super delegates on the democratic side and its an exhaustive process of calling people and in some cases seeing people who made very public statements that have pledged their support to clinton or sanders and we have been doing this from the beginning and will continue to do all the way to the convention. So, it is an interview process. And that took place today . The last bunch of super del d gts. We dont actually think about the campaign, it is the delegate math. I dont think clinton or sanders are particularly happy we did this today. But we knew we would do it when we could. The a. P. Broke this 20 minutes before. We knew the a. P. Did trump quickly. Its one of the thing the a. P. Likes to do. And so, theres always people wanting to be timely in this process and we knew the a. P. , given what they did with trump, they probably would want to do it but we did our own, essentially cal kulgds calculat took time to be able to update our own delegate count to put her over. And if we were not able to do that, we wouldnt have done it tonight. So, will you release a full account ogof the names of the super delegates . Nobody releases in some i should say its the political unit doing the super delegate count for us. They do not release a complete listing of them because some people have asked for anonymity. Sorry voters, a secret poll of super delegates will tell you before the biggest state of the union votes who the presumptive nominee is. What are we going to do tomorrow . Were going to cover california. The process in the Democratic Party has been undemocratic in the sense you have these super delegates s p. The delegates. They played a role in 2008 and played a role in 2016 and you can argue whether or not this is a fair thing. Why do you have super delegates . But they do and thats how it works. As john said, it might be that Neither Campaign is terribly happy it happens tonight. David corn, have we ever declared a nominee prior to this year, have we ever declared a nominee not on an Election Night . Thats a good question. In our Quick Research we havent been able to find one. It happened with trump, but beprior to that, we havent been able to find this kind of exercise. I dont remember when they knew john kerry had clinched the nomination in 2004. And an interesting process. It puts Bernie Sanders in a difficult position. Because hes been talking about the will of the people and democracy with a small d and now he says his only path forward is to convince super delegates to overturn the Election Results by going with the person who won less votes and acquired less delegates. Now, certainly if anything. Happens in the next few weeks before the convention and with hillary. Its theoretically possible something could go wrong, that the delegates super delegates to change things in response to certain circumstances. But i dont think Bernie Sanders argument that you should do it because you should do it is going to hold sway and its going to look like hes trying to overturn Election Results. But thats really all he has left now and if he pushes this too far, i think it could be a real sour note to a campaign thats been a marvel to watch and has done great work in terms of advancing progressive causes. I have a question about the journalistic principals involved in the release of this information. What is the difference between this and releasing exit poll information at say 6 30 p. M. On a night when the polls close at 8 00 p. M. . In the sense of first of all, when we release exit poll data, the people taking the polls arent we know the winner by 5 30 p. M. We all refuse to disclose who that winner is on the journalistic principal that the voter should be allowed to go to the polls without that information. How does this decision to do this how is that a mirror or in another sense, is it a violation of that principal . I think what werer talking about is its a thresh hold. Whoever was going to win the democratic nominee had to get to 2383. So, what happened if she had more pledged delegates and then on an election we understand how you got there and how you do exit polls, but what about the notion is the information you possess that you dont release because of the principal it should not be released until the voters have spoken. Again it was to get to 2383 and you had to combine them together to get to 2383. The campaigns dont determine when were going to call a presumptive nominee. Were going to call it when we hit the thresh hold. If we had called it tomorrow night after the country had voted. After new jersey had voted, not after california had their polls closed, we would have put her above the thresh hold and given there was 126 delegates and she was only a handful underneath, the only way she wouldnt have released it in new jersey is if she got less than 50 , which is not plausible. So, theres no difference between calling it 3 00 p. M. Tomorrow california time and before the polls have opened. This is a running tally. Its a survey basically of the vote and yeah, its almost always right and yeah, we know who won. But dont actually know until we get a bit of a vote in and i see this as keeping a running tally and you announce it when you get to the end, when you get to 2384, you say bingo. David corn, do you have any hesitation about the news medias eagerness to get this out there before the biggest state in the union votes . I really do wish that the super delegates pledges of loyalty was open. And i understand the journalistic principal, god knows i do this every day about keeping information confidential from people. But given theyre participating in this very public event and more or less public officials, i can see the Bernie Sanders people fuming. How can we know the affimations mean something if they dont put their name to it . I understand that. But this has become the common and acceptable practice in covering elections. And maybe thats something bernies going to fight for with the rules committee. I dont know how you go about doing that. But it would be nice to know and id like to know as a journalist too what super delegates indeed are out there for hillary and id like to see if any of them might be persuadable by Bernie Sanders. Thank you all for joining us tonight. Were awaiting Bernie Sanderss remarks in San Francisco. Well bring that to you. Still ahead, well go in the clinton war room and the sanders war room. How will it effect turnout in california tomorrow and how will it effect turnout on down ballot races . And republicans agree with Hillary Clinton on Donald Trumps latest outburst of bi t bigotry and later, a special last word about Bobby Kennedys last words the night he 1 awon california primary. Whdo pple put milk on cereal . Why does your tummy go grumbily, grumbily, grumbily . No more questions for you ooph, that milk in your cereal was messing with you, wasnt it . Try ctaid, its real mil without that annoying lactose. Good, right . Mmm, yeah. Laai the milk at doesnt mess with u. Another antiwrinkle cream in no hurry toake anything happen. Neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works. In one week. With the. Fastest retinol formula. To visibly reduce wrinkles. Neutrogena®. A new challenge for the campaign war rooms in california tonight p. H tonight. How do you get your voters to turn out when news reports are telling them their votes dont count . And how does it effect i need you to turn out tomorrow. Get everybody you can to go vote tomorrow. Make a very clear statement. We are repudiating donald trump. We are getting ready for the fall election, were going to defeat him. Time for tonight s war room. Tonight the clinton and sanders war rooms are responding to the a. P. Announcing she has the number of delegates required to become the presumptive nominee for the Democratic Party aparty. How do they get them to do that after this news tonight . Hillary clinton tweeted tonight, were flattered ap but weigate primaries to win, california, amtimate, new mexico, north dakota, new jersey vote tomorrow. And joining us tonight on the last word a veteran of Martin Omalleys and president obamas campaign war rooms and a veteran of marco rubios and mitt romneys campaign war rooms. You have chaos in the war rooms at this very moment. Yeah. Hillary clinton needs that turn out. She needs a win in california. Bernie sanders wants a win in california really badly. And then youve got this very Important Senate race with harris and sanchez, really important race. There could be depressed turn out across the board. I share some of your i dont know if indignation is the right word, about how this was called tonight and whether im in the clinton or the sanders war room, im not thrilled with this to say the least. If youre in clintons war room youre very concerned its going to depress turn out because people think shes knot got it e bag. They were hoping to go out of this with a roar and not a whimper and now this steps on their announcement. On the sanders side, in some ways it could be helpful but because i think his voters are very motivated and motivated to go against what they think is a rigged system. This is the way donald trump got it. It wasnt an Election Night. People started staring at the numbers and came in with their homework and said hey, hes got it. So, this is tyear its not the Election Night. Tonight in the trump war room, i think theyre trying to figure out how to continue to foment conflict between sanders and clinton and im sure it will be donald trump arguing bernies right, this whole thing is rigged. Dont believe it for a minute. And on the republican side, trump had done so well in so many states, much to the sugrin of many republicans, including myself. Theres no question this is a better news night for Hillary Clinton than Bernie Sanders. So we asked, we invited both campaigns to send someone to talk about this. Sanders campaign couldnt provide anybody, Clinton Campaign doesnt have anything they can provide. So, bernie is going to speak in San Francisco tonight. Hes got to find a way to tell people you still have to get out there. Im not surprised they cant come because theyre in the war room. I mean, think about this, no one was expecting the race to be called tonight. It was called an hour ago and i think everyone was pretty shocked when it was called. In the long run, it is a good thing for secretary clinton because a win is a win is a win but probably not the way anyone wanted this to go out and it adds a challenge for her to unify the party after this because i think sanders folks will be a little pod about how this went down. Lets listen to this. Nina turner. We will not relent. So, i got a news flash for some folks. We going all the way the convention. [ applause ] but im going to say it one more again. One more again. We going all the way the convention. [ applause ] we will fight on. Chen, all the way the convention. I guess theres really nothing else for the Sanders Campaign to say tonight, at least. Bernie sanders has already indicated he might have Something Else to say tomorrow afternoon. Im sorry, the day after the election. Yeah, this has been the core of the Bernie Sanders argument, right. Its not boabout one election, its about an opportunity to move the Democratic Party in a more progressive direction, or what he believes is a more progressive direction. And so theres no reason to believe hes going to change his tune. The realitys going to catch up with him at some point but for now to drive turnout, particularly among those independent voters where sanders has been doing very well in the polling, hes got to continue the tone of saying were defiant about the system and not going to take what the establishment gives us. He was definitely ratcheting it down saying lets see what happens and now his campaign has ratcheted it back up because of the early calling of this race. I think its thrown in a wrench in the end. Up next, republicans attacking the republican nominee. They agree with Hillary Clinton about what donald trump has said about the federal judge who is hearing his fraud case in california. Watch this . Yikes, that ice cream was messing with you, wasnt it . Try lactaid, its real ice cream, without that annoying lactose. Lactaid. Its the milk that doesnt mess with you. Im alex trebek. If youre age 50 to 85, i have an Important Message about security. Write down the number on your screen, so you can call when i finish. The lock want to talk to you about isnt the one on your door. This is a lock for your Life Insurance, a rate lock, that guarantees your rate can never go up at any time, for any reason. But be careful. 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