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has secured 3,280 delegates in addition to the 36 pledged delegates from sunday's primary in puerto rico. she tweeted we're flattered but we have primaries to win in california, montana, new mexico, north dakota vote tomorrow. here's what she told supporters at a rally in long beach, california. >> according to the news, we're on the brink of a historic, historic, unprecedented moment. but we still have work to do, don't we? we have six elections tomorrow. and we're going to fight hard for every single vote, especially right here in california. [ applause ] >> the bernie sanders campaign issued a statement saying it is unfortunate that that media in a rush to judgment are ignoring the democratic national committee's clear statement that it is wrong to count the vote of super delegates before they actually vote at the convention this summer. secretary clinton does not have and will not have the requisite number of pledged delegates. she'll be dependent on super delegates that can change their minds between now and then. kelly o'donnell has been following the democratic race for president. she's in santa monica this e evening. anymore word from the clinton or sanders campaign at this moment? >> reporter: there is a sense of anticipation but the day is wrong, if you will. both campaigns knew that it was likely this sort of a delegate math would be done but a bit of a surprise it's on the eve of the primary and not on tuesday, perhaps after new jersey is closed and i was covering bernie sanders over the last several days in california. he had expressed concern that the media might do its own calculation by contacting delegates and making this kind of call. for hillary clinton's campaign, it is a bit premature in terms of their own messaging. because she's been wanting to drive up as much as possible, voter interest in turning out on tuesday in order, from her campaign's perspective, to get a bigger win if she's going to win california or the other states involved and wanting to show strength going into the fall season and for the sanders' campaign, there has been concern that any call for secretary clinton might in fact encourage some voters simply to not participate. and so the campaigns have not really wanted to see this happen, even though the math has been clear for certainly bernie sanders has been making an argument that he wants to see this process change. he was very careful to say it's not a rigged process because he knew what the rules were for the democratic party involving super delegates and how the pledge delegates work entering into this race. but one campaign you can expect bernie sanders to go forward with beyond his own candidacy is a fight to change the system for our nomination process and the nominating process works in the future future. there's been a lot of question about the role of super delegates. et of cour-- of course, he's wa the fight through the convention the actor tony goldwyn spoke directly to sanders supporters urging them to come on board for unity and we heard recreitary clinton say she wants to unite the country and the party. >> thank you for joining us as the sun begins to set on your camera position in santa monica. thank you, kelly. joining us now the nbc political analyst, pulitzer prize winning writer for the washington post and director of elections for nbc news. john, you made the news tonight with this projection. bernie sanders says in his statement it's a rush to judgment. >> it's certain.ly not a rush to judgment. we essentially looked at the pledged and super del degatedel. secretary clinton did very well in puerto rico. she gained more pledged del dw s -- delegates there and we had super delegates decide to support her over the last day. >> so, was this math or phone calls? >> the pledged delegates are math in the sense of there's allocation rules from the democratic party that we do this and that's what we did in puerto rico last night. and there's a list of 713 super delegates on the democratic side and it's an exhaustive process of calling people and in some cases seeing people who made very public statements that have pledged their support to clinton or sanders and we have been doing this from the beginning and will continue to do all the way to the convention. so, it is an interview process. >> and that took place today? >> the last bunch of super del d gts. we don't actually think about the campaign, it is the delegate math. i don't think clinton or sanders are particularly happy we did this today. but we knew we would do it when we could. >> the a.p. broke this 20 minutes before. >> we knew the a.p. did trump quickly. it's one of the thing the a.p. likes to do. and so, there's always people wanting to be timely in this process and we knew the a.p., given what they did with trump, they probably would want to do it but we did our own, essentially cal kulgds calculat took time to be able to update our own delegate count to put her over. and if we were not able to do that, we wouldn't have done it tonight. >> so, will you release a full account ogof the names of the super delegates? >> nobody releases -- in some -- i should say it's the political unit doing the super delegate count for us. they do not release a complete listing of them because some people have asked for anonymity. >> sorry voters, a secret poll of super delegates will tell you before the biggest state of the union votes who the presumptive nominee is. >> what are we going to do tomorrow? we're going to cover california. the process in the democratic party has been undemocratic in the sense you have these super delegates s p. the delegates. they played a role in 2008 and played a role in 2016 and you can argue whether or not this is a fair thing. why do you have super delegates? but they do and that's how it works. as john said, it might be that neither campaign is terribly happy it happens tonight. >> david corn, have we ever declared a nominee prior to this year, have we ever declared a nominee not on an election night? >> that's a good question. >> in our quick research we haven't been able to find one. it happened with trump, but beprior to that, we haven't been able to find this kind of exercise. >> i don't remember when they knew john kerry had clinched the nomination in 2004. and an interesting process. it puts bernie sanders in a difficult position. because he's been talking about the will of the people and democracy with a small "d" and now he says his only path forward is to convince super delegates to overturn the election results by going with the person who won less votes and acquired less delegates. now, certainly if anything. happens in the next few weeks before the convention and with hillary. it's theoretically possible something could go wrong, that the delegates -- super delegates to change things in response to certain circumstances. but i don't think bernie sanders' argument that you should do it because you should do it is going to hold sway and it's going to look like he's trying to overturn election results. but that's really all he has left now and if he pushes this too far, i think it could be a real sour note to a campaign that's been a marvel to watch and has done great work in terms of advancing progressive causes. >> i have a question about the journalistic principals involved in the release of this information. what is the difference between this and releasing exit poll information at say 6:30 p.m. on a night when the polls close at 8:00 p.m.? >> in the sense of -- first of all, when we release exit poll data, the people taking the polls aren't -- >> we know the winner by 5:30 p.m. we all refuse to disclose who that winner is on the journalistic principal that the voter should be allowed to go to the polls without that information. how does this decision to do this -- how is that a mirror or in another sense, is it a violation of that principal? >> i think what we'rer talking about is it's a thresh hold. whoever was going to win the democratic nominee had to get to 2383. so, what happened if she had more pledged delegates and then on an election -- >> we understand how you got there and how you do exit polls, but what about the notion -- is the information you possess that you don't release because of the principal it should not be released until the voters have spoken. >> again it was to get to 2383 and you had to combine them together to get to 2383 . the campaigns don't determine when we're going to call a presumptive nominee. we're going to call it when we hit the thresh hold. if we had called it tomorrow night -- >> after the country had voted. >> after new jersey had voted, not after california had their polls closed, we would have put her above the thresh hold and given there was 126 delegates and she was only a handful underneath, the only way she wouldn't have released it in new jersey is if she got less than 50%, which is not plausible. >> so, there's no difference between calling it 3:00 p.m. tomorrow california time and before the polls have opened. >> this is a running tally. it's a survey basically of the vote and yeah, it's almost always right and yeah, we know who won. but don't actually know until we get a bit of a vote in and i see this as keeping a running tally and you announce it when you get to the end, when you get to 2384, you say bingo. >> david corn, do you have any hesitation about the news media's eagerness to get this out there before the biggest state in the union votes? >> i really do wish that the super delegates pledges of loyalty was open. and i understand the journalistic principal, god knows i do this every day about keeping information confidential from people. but given they're participating in this very public event and more or less public officials, i can see the bernie sanders people fuming. how can we know the affimations mean something if they don't put their name to it? i understand that. but this has become the common and acceptable practice in covering elections. and maybe that's something bernie's going to fight for with the rules committee. i don't know how you go about doing that. but it would be nice to know and i'd like to know as a journalist too what super delegates indeed are out there for hillary and i'd like to see if any of them might be persuadable by bernie sanders. >> thank you all for joining us tonight. we're awaiting bernie sanders's remarks in san francisco. we'll bring that to you. still ahead, we'll go in the clinton war room and the sanders war room. how will it effect turnout in california tomorrow and how will it effect turnout on down ballot races? 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hillary clinton tweeted tonight, we're flattered ap but weigate primaries to win, california, amtimate, new mexico, north dakota, new jersey vote tomorrow. and joining us tonight on the last word a veteran of martin o'malley's and president obama's campaign war rooms and a veteran of marco rubio's and mitt romney's campaign war rooms. you have chaos in the war rooms at this very moment. >> yeah. >> hillary clinton needs that turn out. she needs a win in california. bernie sanders wants a win in california really badly. and then you've got this very important senate race with harris and sanchez, really important race. there could be depressed turn out across the board. >> i share some of your -- i don't know if indignation is the right word, about how this was called tonight and whether i'm in the clinton or the sanders war room, i'm not thrilled with this to say the least. if you're in clinton's war room you're very concerned it's going to depress turn out because people think she's knot got it e bag. they were hoping to go out of this with a roar and not a whimper and now this steps on their announcement. on the sanders' side, in some ways it could be helpful but because i think his voters are very motivated and motivated to go against what they think is a rigged system. >> this is the way donald trump got it. it wasn't an election night. people started staring at the numbers and came in with their homework and said hey, he's got it. so, this is tyear it's not the election night. >> tonight in the trump war room, i think they're trying to figure out how to continue to foment conflict between sanders and clinton and i'm sure it will be donald trump arguing bernie's right, this whole thing is rigged. don't believe it for a minute. and on the republican side, trump had done so well in so many states, much to the sugrin of many republicans, including myself. >> there's no question this is a better news night for hillary clinton than bernie sanders. so -- we asked, we invited both campaigns to send someone to talk about this. sanders campaign couldn't provide anybody, clinton campaign doesn't have anything they can provide. so, bernie is going to speak in san francisco tonight. he's got to find a way to tell people you still have to get out there. >> i'm not surprised they can't come because they're in the war room. i mean, think about this, no one was expecting the race to be called tonight. it was called an hour ago and i think everyone was pretty shocked when it was called. in the long run, it is a good thing for secretary clinton because a win is a win is a win but probably not the way anyone wanted this to go out and it adds a challenge for her to unify the party after this because i think sanders folks will be a little po'd about how this went down . >> let's listen to this. nina turner. >> we will not relent. so, i got a news flash for some folks. we going all the way the convention. [ applause ] but i'm going to say it one more again. one more again. we going all the way the convention. [ applause ] we will fight on. >> chen, all the way the convention. i guess there's really nothing else for the sanders campaign to say tonight, at least. bernie sanders has already indicated he might have something else to say tomorrow afternoon. i'm sorry, the day after the election. >> yeah, this has been the core of the bernie sanders argument, right. it's not boabout one election, it's about an opportunity to move the democratic party in a more progressive direction, or what he believes is a more progressive direction. and so there's no reason to believe he's going to change his tune. the reality's going to catch up with him at some point but for now to drive turnout, particularly among those independent voters where sanders has been doing very well in the polling, he's got to continue the tone of saying we're defiant about the system and not going to take what the establishment gives us. >> he was definitely ratcheting it down saying let's see what happens and now his campaign has ratcheted it back up because of the early calling of this race. i think it's thrown in a wrench in the end. >> up next, republicans attacking the republican nominee. they agree with hillary clinton about what donald trump has said about the federal judge who is hearing his fraud case in california. watch this!... >>yikes, that ice cream was messing with you, wasn't it? 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>> yes, that would be possible. yes, absolutely. >> here's party members who have condemned donald trump's comments. many are trump supporters, including former speaker, newt gingrich and mitch mcconnell. >> this is one of the worst mistakes trump has made. i think it's inexcusable. this judge was born in indiana. he is an american, period. >> i don't condone the comments. >> i think he's going to have to change. >> i couldn't disagree more with a statement like that. >> and dr. ben carson tweeted every human being is an individual first, rather than a member of an identity group, the moment we forget that is when we enter into a phase of moral descent. on rachel maddow, hillary clinton said this. >> this is dangerous nonsense that undermines the rule of law, that makes him appear to be someone who has no respect for fellow americans and i think it is yet more evidence why this man is dangerous and divisive and disqualified from being president. >> do you think that mr. trump is a racist? do you think he's running an overtly racist campaign for president? >> well, i don't know what's in his heart but i know what he's r saying. with respect to the judge, that's a racist attack. >> and all of donald trump's republican supporters in washington, so far, agree with hillary clinton. we'll be right back. if you have allergy congestion muddling through your morning is nothing new. introducing rhinocort® allergy spray from the makers of zyrtec®. powerful relief from nasal allergy symptoms, all day and all night. try new rhinocort® allergy spray. all day and all night. right. in. your. stomach!watch try lactaid, it's messing real iceream,t it?s without that aing lactose. lactaid. it's the milk that doesn't mess with you. statements this week on the judge, that's a new level. because it's not just ill informed or ignorant statements but they suggest that when he's president, after november, that perhaps he ought to go after that judge. that's a whole new level. so, that's very disturbing. >> joining us now, rick wilson contributor to the website, heat streak and a veteran of four presidential campaigns and radio host in milwaukee and the editor and chief of right wisconsin. here you have a weekend where there's one big news story and just about every republican is on hillary clinton's side of the issue. >> yeah, it's kind of amazing nobody saw this coming. we're shocked, shocked to find out he's an erratic narcissist who says racist things. wouldn't it have been nice if somebody alerted them. >> maybe we could have helped stopped this, but gosh, i guess somebody should have stood up. >> this is the -- >> go ahead, charley. >> this is the problem of trying to thread the needle with this guy. they want to somehow plit the baby to mix the metaphors. that we can support him for president of the united states while distancing ourselves from these outrageous things he says. it's pretty hard to acknowledge how beyond the pail these comments are and make it it argument that yes, we support him to sit that desk that abraham lincoln once sat out. >> paul ryan says he disagrees with trump. ia cover his area in wisconsin. how is it playing there? >> i'm trying to be sympathetic to paul ryan because i understand inpressures on him to eventually come around. the timing was a mistake. donald trump has not shown to pivot. i wish paul ryan would have got a commitment, not that a commitment from donald trump is worth anything. and i'm guessing paul ryan is going what have i gotten myself into? what is the next five or six months going to be like if every week there's the possibility that i'm going to have to defend, evade or distance myself from this guy? and the reality is there's no indication that donald trump is going to change this. this is the one thing he's being honest about that what you see is what you get and he's rubbing everybody's face in it it right now. >> we were always 24, 48 hours away from one of these no matter when paul ryan or anyone else chooses to endorse. >> you're always one tweet away from disaster with donald trump. he could say something that could sink. as i wrote about yesterday. if you're a house candidate in a swing district, right now you have to worry that every day donald trump could torpedo your campaign. you have to wake up going what is the crazy person going to say this morning? whoever it is this week that donald trump decides he's angry at and how are you going to answer that. the question here is not the schedule for endorsing trump. the real question is trump is giving them an out and every day he's going to give them more and more of an out but there will be oo point where they have to arer much stink on them to get it off. they have to take the one day of hate from trump and his fans to save their careers. >> lindsey graham is going to a new level oen this that we haven't heard before. he says -- it comes at the owned of the quote. this is the most unamerican thing from a politician since joe mccarthy. if anybody was looking for an off ramp this is probably it. and this is the key line "there will come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of hillary." and charley psych ae aey sykes, been hearing a -- but to hear lindsey graham say it may come to the moment where you have to pull the lever to save the country. >> if you start to see people like lindsey graham saying i'm off this trump train, you may see it as cascading. i will tell you the level of jitters among republicans is really starting to peek. there is real buyer's remorse. i began to hear people would it be possible off ramp at the convention? i think it's highly unlikely but the fact this conversation is taking place gives you an indication that there's an uh-oh moment going on and at the moment we were planning on all gathering around and having that big group hug, instead we have the donald trump dumpster fire. if hillary clinton gets a big bump out of sealing this nomination and it looks like she's ahead by double digits and donald trump continues to behave this erratically. i think you're going to see more than a few republicans, at least privately, begin to talk about do we have alternatives here? >> the judge dondald trump has been attacking, he had to have security protection when going after the mexican drug cartels. he was a state judge before he was appointed to be a federal judge and here is what former california governor arnold schwarzenegger said about that judge. and rick wilson, it just goes to show you that no doubt trump knew nothing about this judge's background other than his most recent ruling that trump didn't like in his fraud case. >> right. set aside the racism and the reflexive intervention in the attempting to intimidate a jurist leike this. and this is a guy who doesn't know anything about anything. he doesn't under the nuclearer triad, the economy and certainly willing to shoot from the lip on any issue and in this case he didn't know the guy's background and hasn't given anything to demonstrate that there's anything in this judge's record that would make him a biassed case. his construct doesn't work that way. you're either with trump or against trump. and the fact this judge has ruled against him -- from a guy who lacks knowledge and confidence, donald trump couldn't get hired to manage an arby's, let alone this country. >> and charley, here we have the only presidential candidate in history who's facing coast to coast fraud charges from new york to california. this judge is a judge in his fraud case. so, the more he wants to talk about this judge, the more he is talking about his own fraud case in california. >> which is remarkable. because the reason we're talking about it is because donald trump chose to talk about and brings more attention to this amazing scam. if you want to incapsulate why he's a conman. look at trump university how he prayed upon the ambitions and hopes and fears and promised them all this great stuff and ripped them off. it's almost a perfect metaphor for his campaign. but how disciplined does he have to be to want to talk about this? all the other issues you could talk about as a presidential candidate. >> really appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. >> we're monitoring the bernie sanders ral ea in san francisco. we're going to go live to bernie sanders rally in san francisco where senator sanders has not yet made any comment about projections tonight from the a.p. and nbc news that hillary clinton has secured enough delegates to now be considered the presumptive nominee for the democratic presidential nomination. let's listen to senator sanders. >> stand up to the fossil fuel industry. [ applause ] [ crowd chanting "no more fracking"] >> that's right. that is right. count me in. this campaign is going to win because we are doing something really unusual in contemporary american politics. we're telling the truth. [ applause ] the truth is not always pleasant, not in our personal lives or our political lives. but unless we confront the truth, we will never be able to go forward in the way we have to. truth number one. the campaign finance system today is corrupt. billionaires, corporate america, wall street, and their super packs are undermining american democracy. american democracy is not a complicated process. it is one person, one vote, not wealthy campaign contributors buying elections. [ applause ] and that is why, together, we are going to overturn citizens united. [ applause ] and why we are going to move to public funding of elections. [ applause ] but it's not just a corrupt campaign finance system. it is a rigged economy. now, you don't see this discussed in the corporate media, which is another issue we have to deal with, but you don't see this discussed, but here is the truth right now. in america today, the top 1/10th of 1%, not 1%, 1/10th of 1% now own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90%. [ crowd boos] the 20 wealthiest people in this country, 20 people, own more wealth than the bottom half offer america. 150 million people. >> we're going to take a break here. we will be right back. msnbc's live coverage of the california primary will continue at 11:00 p.m. tonight with chris hayes, be right back. if you have allergy congestion muddling through your morning is nothing new. introducing rhinocort® allergy spray from the makers of zyrtec®. powerful relief from nasal allergy symptoms, all day and all night. try new rhinocort® allergy spray. all day and all night. ...anoth anti-wrinkle cream no hurry to make anything happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair wos... ...ione week. ...to visibly reduce wnkles. fastest retinol formula. neutrogena®. if there is a large voter turnout, if working people and young people come out in big numbers to demand a government that represents all of us and not just the 1%, we're going to win big tomorrow. [ applause ] and i should point out to all of the democratic delegates going to philadelphia in every instance, we beat trump by far larger margins than does hillary clinton. [ applause ] >> back with us, liz smith and david corn. that's always bernie's strongest selling point is take a look at the polls in the one on one match ups, against trump he always does better. >> it is. and i think that's the last thing he's holding on to with the delegate count being so much in clinton's favor. i think what was interesting is he did not address the a.p. at all and struck a very different tone in his campaign, which is in ways i think was a smart move. >> most people, if not everybody, they're not home watching tv right now, they don't know this news. and so, he's got a choice. do i go out there in my big rally moment and say this thing thats we fear might depress turnout or do i let them discover it in their 11:00 p.m. news tonight in l.a. or in their morning news? >> i'm sure a lot of them are looking at twitter. so, a fair number probably know and most of them probably don't care. they knew this moment was which coming. and bernie sanders saying he does better in the november match ups in the polls with donald trump and i've written about this and gotten flak from bernie supporters for doing so. i think it's completely irrelevant at this point. bernie sanders has not been attack would ed with hundreds o millions of campaign ads which would come if he's the nominee. hillary clinton's been very light on him, no one's made a big deal of him being a socialist. so, it's not an apples, apple comparison to say he does better against trump. there are other reasons he can make an argument for, perhaps but that's a pretty thin read to base continuing his campaign all the way the convention and upsetting the democratic party in that time frame. >> the interesting thing about this news is that each campaign, sanders and clinton campaigns, they each have almost identical, not quite identical, incentives to not push this out there. hillary clinton doesn't want to say i've already won it because that's saying to her voters who might be stuck in traffic tomorrow as the polls are closing, oh, they don't need me. i don't have to go. >> i mean, of course. and it puts them both in a bad position. going back to what i said before. i think it plays more into sanders' hand and his supporters hand. look, we all know how the isrra are called. but to them, it looks like someone is pulling the strings behind the curtain and does look a little rigged and unfair and i think it motivates them. >> it's kind of the perfect story to play into the narrative of this is being rigged. this is being reported through secret information obtain bide the associated press and nbc news. totally secret information that they have that they are then telling you on the base of that secret information, not on the base of your votes, hillary clinton's the nominee. that's perfect for the bernie sanders campaign to put right inside its frame of its rigged. >> yes, you could strike up a conspiracy theory if you like that wloo knows what's going on? as a journalist i love to see the delegates give their names out and who they're going to vote for, declarations now but nbc news and a.p. are not doing because they've gotten this information confed engsally. in 2008, when we reached the point in the campaign and barack obama was ahead, hillary clinton had not pulled out yet and bernie sanders, on the basis of what we thought the super delegate count was endorsed barack obama and basically sds let's get on with the general and was not calling for waiting until the convention and the super delegate's vote. >> david corn gets the last vote tonight. thank you both for joining us tonight. "first look" is up next. it's tuesday, june 7th. right now on "first look," making history. hillary clinton reaches that magic number of delegates, 2,383, to become the democrat's presumptive nominee. trump doubles down, ordering surrogates to step up attacks on the judge overseeing the trump university case. a state of emergency in florida as tropical storm colin moves ashore. and plus the broncos get the white house treatment and car pool karaoke with lynn manuel. a womil

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