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HARDtalk

it's quite nice to watch it! they chuckle i get that point. but equally... even within the cast, you know, you might have views that other members of the same cast and, after all, you are a team working together, might really seriously disagree with. i mean, are you ever finding that these days? oh, i mean... as actors become more political... i worked withjon voight on ray donovan for seven seasons, and i disagreed with him vehemently about trump and about the american elections. but also, i loved talking to him about the acting profession and his experience as a young actor in the �*60s and �*70s, with dustin hoffman and with just gene hackman growing up. also...i think, i think on social media people are defined by their opinions. but when you work with people, people can have different

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HARDtalk

you've got two big projects coming out — one, a film, a sort of biopic about the singer amy winehouse who died tragically young, and you're playing the role of mitch winehouse, her father. and, at the very same time, across the pond in the us, you've made a mini—series for apple tv where you play the american revolutionary politician john adams. yes. how do you get your head around such different parts at the same time? well, it was a necessity for me. because of my background and the fact that i was very working class and very... i was always being cast early on in my career as drug dealers or bank robbers or thugs in one way or the other. and i wanted to be an actor. i didn't want to be a professional caricature of a working—class character. so, i decided very early on that i wanted to be diverse. i wanted to play many different characters because i hated the idea of anyone defining me.

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HARDtalk

richard, but i'll probably play a good part. and the offer came through from the bbc and it was a thief with two lines. stephen snorts and i'm working every day with, i you know, on a big hollywood show. and i thought, why do they have this very fixed idea of me? and i didn't go back and work for a little while. and david... sorry to interrupt. that's all right. but you're saying it really, foryou, in britain, comes back to class. yeah. and i think class is something that's very immersed in all our psyches, even people who want to transcend it, it's still something that we still see. we still see the country in those parameters, in those definitions. you've actually opened up for me a whole area that i think is very interesting for an actor these days. and it's a debate about what they call authenticity, the degree to which actors should and can embrace parts that are far from their own personal experience. right. and it literally has led to huge arguments

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HARDtalk

something that he... yeah, but i think the best thing you can do, for instance, when russell did it's a sin... i disagreed with that. i think the best thing he can do for that young cast of, the young actor playing who was gay, playing the gay part, the best thing that you can do for him is cast him in a straight role, in a romantic lead in a straight role, and say, "watch how brilliant he is." because what you're doing then is you're enabling that actor to go on and have a diverse career. and what you're doing is you're challenging the preconceived, the subconscious prejudice of the audience. what you don't do is say he's a gay actor, therefore, he can only play gay roles. that's what will happen. and what's the percentage of gay people in the country? what is it, 10%, 15%? so, what? they're going to be eligible

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Newsday

2017 on this very course by mary kittany. also, there was some brilliant races in the wheelchair races, especially by marcel hugh, who one his fourth out of four, the silver bullet doing it again. the swiss katherine de bruyne dominated her race. this year, taking home the exact same prize money as able—bodied athletes, after organisers said this would be the most inclusive london marathon winner ever. £44,000 for the winner. it's notjust about the elites, but for these guys �* about the elites, but for these guys — raising money for charity, training for 16—20 weeks. earlier, icaught charity, training for 16—20 weeks. earlier, i caught up with an actor you may well know from ted lasso, phil dunster. he told me an emotional story about his reason for running — because of the tragic death of

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HARDtalk

in this scenario, if there's a villain and a victim, you can name the villain and name the victim. who are you? and as an actor, i knew, as a working class actor, there were lots of very well—meaning progressive film—makers, middle—class film—makers who would tell me about the world being villains and victims but, actually, what they weren't aware of was their own narcissism, that they were the heroes of the story, not the victims. because, as a victim, if you try to change their definition of you, if you try to step outside of their definition of you, you destroy their own narcissistic narrative. and so, and so, i... when i approached mitch to play mitch... and you talked to him quite a lot. i met up with him about three orfour times and i asked him for... he was my main source of research. i asked for photographs. i asked him to record a song for me. i asked for a playlist of his favourite music. i asked what aftershave he wore.

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HARDtalk

and they gave me great opportunities. that reminds me of something that the black british actor david harewood has said. yes. that he found that when he went to america, opportunities, parts opened up to him that were never offered to him in the uk because uk casting directors, producers saw him in a particular way and that he was freed from that in america. yes. is that... are you're saying the same sort of thing? 100%. not about race but about class? class, ioo%. i went over to... when i went over to america, i was doing... i was doing ray donovan. and then, they asked me to play... they've just asked me to play john adams, for instance. and that's something that the british would never do. when i was first doing ajob in... when i was first in ray donovan, my agent called me. she said, "they're doing richard iii, the bbc, "and they're going to offer you a part." now, i played richard iii onstage, i toured and played richard iii. so, i thought, ok, i won't play

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HARDtalk

yes. yeah, i tried to. and then, i got into acting because i was... a friend of mine, me and a friend, we used to dance, and we were in a club, and some guy came up and asked us to be extras in a movie. and i spent a day on a film set, and then, i suddenly realised that i wanted to be an actor. it hadn't kind of occurred to me before. did you, to a certain extent, have to defy your own back... i mean, particularly your own family. your dad, i know, was quite a difficult man. yes, yes. and i think, at one point, you said, when you brought a book home which you obviously wanted to read, he just picked it up and chucked it away and said, "none of that, boy." yeah, yeah. and i couldn't stay on and do a—levels and things like that. so, when you said to him — i don't know quite what role your mum played — but when your dad learned that you actually wanted to give up being a printer and try your hand at full—time acting... well, he wasn't really involved in my life much then. by the age of 16, i started working for an east end bookmaker who ran a menswear store, called mr bennett, he was an incredible man. and while i was working for him, he knew i was studying

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HARDtalk

about whether a non—trans actor should play a trans role, whether ajewish, a non—jewish actor should play a jewish role. ijust wonder, you know, given your view of acting as a craft, as something that you can work at and get better at, and whether that leads you to feel, "you know what? i can play virtually anybody. "nobody should be told they can't have a role "because they're not, in essence, "of the right sort of background." well, two things. the first thing, i think, the great adage of acting is nothing human is alien to me. it's an exercise of artistic empathy. and that means to understand people different from you. i think, secondly, if you come from an underprivileged background, be it due to your sexuality, be it due to the colour of your skin, your race, your class, your religion, whatever, you have to be exceptional to have a career in this profession. if you come from a privileged background, you can be mediocre and you'll get a career. so, how can somebody,

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HARDtalk

because, usually, when they define me, it's usually — for want of a better word — it's some posh bloke defining what he thinks i am, and i have to wait around for him to give me a job to be what he thinks i should be. and i wanted to empower myself as an actor to be able to play all different parts. it's very interesting the way you phrased that. you've been quite honest, saying, in your early career, you did have a sizeable chip on your shoulder... idid, yes. ..about being working class... idid, yes. ..in a trade, a profession, whatever we call acting, which, frankly, has been dominated for a long time by the middle classes. it has, yes, yes. and has that chip on the shoulder gone or is it still visible? it has. and one of the reasons it went was because of the kindness of people from a more privileged background than me. i think, when i first started acting, i tried to kind of tough it out, really. iwas... i tried to be like a working class hero. so, in a way, you tried

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