also expect the president to address russia s annexation of crimea? reporter: probably so just because this dominated the discussion so much. the g-7 meeting which was held as a part of the nuclear security summit wasn t really, the move wasn t originally part of the plan. it wasn t because of the esflepevents that happened in ukraine. suspending with the biggest economies in the world. russia was supposed to host in june in sochi. it is a big step. the question, though, is, specially among critics, will this have any effect? the u.s.ed administration, other countries repeatedly said, there is still a door open to discussion, to a diplomatic solution. there is a chance for deescalation. we can change things if russia decides to change course. for everything that has been said and all the talks that have been held, not only among western countries but talks with russia, nothing has changed that course. so it remains to be seen now what could constitute escalation for additional and more damaging sanctions to be issued and what could be deescalation. we ask that question yesterday. michelle, we re going to jump out. the president has now taken the stage with the prime minister of the netherlands. the two men are addressing the congregated press there. let s listen to what they are saying. i am proud to present our summit communique to you today. building of the progress remains early in washington and seoul. this communique sets the bar even higher. we have taken major steps towards meeting all three main objectives of the nss process. i will say a few words about each. the first objective is to reduce the amount of dangerous nuclear material in the world. the less dangerous nuclear material there is and the better the nuclear security, the smaller the chance that terrorists will be able to get hold of it. it s that simple. i m pleased that the 53 countries and four international organizations here have confirmed their commitment to continue reducing stocks of dangerous nuclear material, uranium and plutonium. a number of countries have announced the intention to hand over the highly dangerous to the u.s. as xhar chair of the summit, i naturally welcome these announcements. we are also making progress on the second objective, improving the security of nuclear and radioactive material. we have confirm our ambition to improve the security of materials that can be used to make nuclear weapons and the security of radiological sources that terrorists could use to make dirty bombs. the commitment of the nsa became more complete. the fear that the dirty bomb would cause doesn t bear thinking about, not to mention the possible disruption to society. i m specially pleased that we are including this area. furthermore, the nss countries have encouraged implementation of the iaa nuclear security guidelines. a significant number of us have decided to take this commitment even further. as chair of the summit, i m delighted to announce that two thirds of the countries on the initiative of the united states, korea and the netherlands, have pledged to incorporate these important recommendations into the national legislation. this is a message and represents potential progress. i can t stress enough how important it is. fortunately, in a group of countries supporting this initiative is growing. our ultimate goal is, of course, for all nss countries to follow this league and set an example for other countries. he many pleas i am pleased with the growing awareness of nuclear material. it is important to determine the origin of the material and trace that. we are listening. michelle kosinski, i wanted to bring you in briefly before president obama speaks. the president will also probably at some point have to address a rather large domestic issue which is brewing. the white house plans to change and modify and in some ways do away with the current system of the nsa collecting telephone data. can you explain what this change will be? reporter: yes. feel free to cut me off when this starts again. there is a delay in what i can see and here. we wonder how much this issue came up in discussions with other european nations also. during this series of meetings. it has been this highly controversial, really played out in the media, irritation, of how much spying was gone on. similar, was overplayed. it came out later that we know that the u.k., germany, other european countries do this same kind of data collection as well as spying. here is what the president wants to do. he has been working with congress. soon, in the coming days, his administration says, he wants to propose a law that would change the way this is done. right now, the nsa is the one that collects this bulk data, phone records, that americans make on a day it day basis. they keep it for five years. what s been highly controversial in the past is that the nsa can essentially choose its own investigations and authorize them. the president wants the phone companies to collect the data and keep it possibly. although, that might be done by some third party. the administration didn t make that clear. the president wants it such to be such that the nsa would have to go to a judge for every search it would want to do. that judge would have to say yes or no as to whether that specific phone number could be likely tied to terrorism. there are some other changes too. keep in mind, this is a proposed piece of legislation. what it would do would take the nsa out of the business of collecting and storing the data. of core, turse, the nsa would s be able to gain access to the data when needed. the bigger question is, will congress pass this law? how long could that take? in the meantime, the president has authorized for 90 days an will continue in 90-day increments to authorize the collection and the processing of that data as it stands right now. the president is about to speak now. let s go back to the the hague to listen to president obama. i would like to say a few words about the tragedy that recently took place back in the united states. over the weekend, a massive landslide swept through a tiny town called oso in washington state. while i won t get ahead of the ongoing response and rescue operations, we know that part of this tightly knit community has been lost. first responders acted bravely despite still dangerous conditions. the american red cross has opened multiple shelters and the people of washington state have been quick to help and comfort their fellow citizens. i just spoke to governor insly who swiftly declared a state of emergency and i signed that emergency declaration to make sure he has got all the resources he needs from my administration. they are in contact with them on an on going basis, fema and the army core of engineers has been on site to offer their assistance and expertise. i would ask all americans to send their thoughts and prayers to washington state and the community, oso, and the families and friends of those who continue to be missing. we hope for the best but we recognize this is a tough situation. now, as for our work here in the hague, i want to just repeat the extraordinary work that mark has done in helping to organize this. some of the people of the netherlands, your hospitality has been remarkable. your organization has been flawless. to all the people who were involved in putting this together, including those that are putting up with what i caused, i m told there is a dutch word that captures the spirit that doesn t translate exactly into english but let me say my first visit to the netherlands has been truly kozelik. i convened the first nuclear summit in washington four years ago, because i believed we need a series and sustained global effort to deal with one of the greatest threats to international security, the specter of nuclear terrorism. we made further progress at our second summit in seoul and under your prime minister s stewardship, we have built on that progress here. keeping with the spirits of these summits, this was not about vague commitments but about taking tangible and concrete steps to secure more of the world s nuclear material so it never falls in the hands of terrorists. in particular, i want to come mend bell judge and it will i for completing the removal of their excess supplies of uranium and plutonium. japan announced it will work with the united states to eliminate hundreds of kilograms of weapons from one of their experimental reactors. that s enough for dozens of nuclear weapons. dozens of other nations have agreed to take specific steps towards improving nuclear security in their own countries and to support our global efforts. some have pledged to convert their research reactors to low enriched uranium which cannot be used to make a bomb. we have set new goals for implemented or nuclear security measures, including sharing more information to ensure we are all living up to our commitments. i have made it clear the united states will continue to do our part. our nuclear regulator will develop new guidelines to strengthen cybersecurity at our nuclear power plants. we have pledged to pursue the production of a key medical isotope used to treat illnesses like cancer without relying on weapons useable materials and we are going to work to install more radiation detection equipment at ports and transit sites to combat nuclear smuggling. all of this builds on our previous efforts. 12 countries and two dozen nuclear facilities around the world have now rid themselves entirely of highly enriched uranium and plutonium. dozens of nations have boosted security or created new centers to improve nuclear security and training. the international atomic energy agency is now sfrotronger and m countries have ratified the treaties in international partnerships at the heart of our efforts. we have seepn a fundamental shit in our approach. we still have a lot more to do to ensure the ambitious goals we set years ago. i believe this is he sengs to the security of the entire world and given the catastrophic consequences of even a single attack, we can not be complacent. i ll clothes by reminding everybody that one of the achievements of our first summit in 2010 was ukraine s decision to remove all its highly enriched uranium from its nuclear fuel sites. had that not happen, those dangerous nuclear materials would still be there now and the difficult situation we are dealing with in ukraine today would involve yet another level of concern. so it s a vivid reminder that the more of this material we can secure, the safer all of our countries will be. we made progress. we have got more to do. we are going to continue our work. i look forward to hosting the fourth nuclear security summit in the united states in two years. thank you again, mark and all your team as well as the people of the netherlands for this outstanding summit. thank you, mr. president. we will go straight to the questions now. the first question will be the associate press. thank you, mr. president. you have been criticized during this dispute with russia as not understanding president putin s motivations. you and others said you thought putin was reflecting or pausing his encouragement to crimea. did you misread his intentions and what do you think his motivations are now? when you spoke about the nsa review in january, you said you weren t sold on the option of having phone companies hold meta-da ta and you thought it raised additional privacy concerns. what has changed since that time and do you think congress will pass the legislation you are seeking? mr. prime minister, there are leaders in europe who have concerns about the sector sanctions the president has proposed on russia s economy. do you think any of those leaders have had their concerns alleviated during their talks with the president over the past few days? thank you. let me see if i can remember all of these. with respect to president putin s motivation, there has been a lot of speculation. i am less interested in motivation and more interested in the facts and the principles that not only the united states but the entire international community are looking to uphold. i don t think that any of us have been under any illusion that russia has been very interested in controlling what happens to ukraine. that s not new. that s been the case for years now. that s been the case dating back to the orange revolution. what we have said consistently throughout this process is that it is up to the ukrainian people to make their own decisions about how they organize themselves and who they interact with. it has always been our belief that ukraine is going to have a relationship to russia. there is a strong historic bond between the two countries. that does not justify russia enroaching on ukraine s territorial integrity or sovereignty. that s exactly what s happened. i said, very early on, that should russia do so, there would be consequences. working with our european partners and our international partners, we have put in place sanctions that have already had some impact on the russian economy. now, moving forward, we have said and i want to be very clear about this, we north recognizing what has happened in crimea. the notion that a referendum sloppily organized over the course of two weeks would somehow justify the breaking off of the crimea and annexation by russia, somehow that would have a valid process. the overwhelming majority of the world rejects. we are also concerned about further encroachment by russia into ukraine. so what i announced and what the european council announced was that we were consulting and putting in place the framework, the architecture for additional sanctions, additional costs should russia take this next step. we also said and will continue to say is that there is another path available to russia. the ukrainian government has said it is prepared to negotiate with russia, that it is prepared to recognize its international obligations and the international community has been supportive of a diplomatic process. that would allow a deescalation of tensions, a moving back of russian troops from ukraine s borders. and rapidly organized elections that allow the ukrainian people to choose their leadership. my expectation is that if the ukrainian people are allowed to make their own decisions, their decision will be that they want to have a relationship with europe and they want to have a relationship with russia. this is not a zero sung game. i think that prime minister and the current government have shown remarkable strength and are prepared to go down the diplomatic path. it is now up to russia to act reresponsibly and show itself to be, once again, willing to abide by international rules and international norms. if it chooses to do so, i think there can be a better outcome. if it fails to do so, there will be additional costs. those will have some disruptive effect to the global economy but they will have the greatest impact on russia. so i think that would be a bad choice for president putin to make. ultimately, he is the president of russia and he is the one that s going to be making that decision. he just has to understand there is a choice to be made here. with respect to even though this was directed at mark, i just want to address this issue of sectoral sections. so far, we have put in place sa sanctions that impact individuals, restrict visas being issued to them, freezes their assets. we have identified one bank in particular in russia that was well-known to be the bank of choice for many of the persons who support and facilitate russian officials from carrying out some of these activities. what we have held off on are more broad-based sanctions that would impact entire sectors of the russian economy. it has not just been my suggestion but the european council s suggestion that should russia go further, such sectoral sanctions would be appropriate. that would include areas potentially like energy or finance or arms sales. or trade. that exists between europe and the united states and russia. what we are doing now at a very technical level, examining the impacts of each of these sanctions. some particular sanctions would hurt some countries more than others. all of us recognize that we have to stand up for a core principle. that lies at the heart of the international order and that facilitated the european union and the incredible prosperity and peace that europe has enjoyed now for decades. so although it could cause some disruptions to each of our economies or certain industries, what i ve been encouraged by is the firmness and the willingness on the part of all countries to look at ways in which they can participate in this process. our preference throughout will be to resolve this diplomatically. i think we are prepared, as we ve already shown, to take the next step, if the situation gets worse. finally, on ukraine, i think it is very important that we spend as much effort on bolstering the economy inside of ukraine and making sure that the elections proceed in an orderly fashion. so my hope is that the imf is able to complete a package for ukraine rapidly to stabilize their finances, their economy. . osce and other international organizations are sending in observers and monitors and we are providing technical assistants to make sure the elections are free and fair. the sooner the elections take place, the sooner the economy is stabilized, the better positioned the ukrainian people will be in terms of managing what is a very challenging situation. with respect to the nsa and i will be just brief on this, i said several months ago that i was assigning our various agencies in the i.c., the intelligence community, to bring me new options with respect to the telephone database program. they have presented me now with an option that i think is workable. it addresses the two core concerns the people have. number one, the idea of government storing bulk data generally. this ensures that the government is not in possession of that bulk data. i want to emphasize once again that some of the dangers that people high pott size when it came to bulk data, there were clear safeguards against but he recognize that people were concerned about what might happen in the future with that bulk data. this proposal that s been presented to me would eliminate that concern. the second thing the people were concerned about is making sure that not only is a judge in the program overall but looking at each individual inquiry that is made into a database. in new plan that s been presented to me does that. so overall i m confident that it allows us to do what is necessary in order to deal with the dangers of a nefarious attack and addresses the dangers that people have raised. i m looking forward to working with congress to make sure we go ahead and pass the enabling legislation quickly so that we can get on with the business of effective law enforcement. let me make it absolutely clear that the european union and the u.s. and yesterday we saw alignment within the summit. we are working very closely together. i can fully support all the answers which you just gave on the question you asked. maybe i can add one thing, which is the effect of the russian economy is very much gas and oil dependant. that means that economic sanctions, if they will be necessary, and we are not there yet, if economic sanctions would be necessary, because this conflict would escalate to the next stage, if this were to happen, these sanctions would hit russia very badly and obviously, you can never guarantee that the people in europe and canada, in the u.s., would not be hurt. obviously, with he will mae wil sure we will design these sanctions in such a way they will have maximum impact on the russian economy and not the european, the japanese, the american economy. we work very closely together and seek total alignment. next question. reportedly, there are about 30,000 russian troops on the border with ukraine. what guarantees can you give to the people of eastern ukraine and to the people in the baltic states, mole da va, other countries, that they will not be next when it comes to the russian politics of annex sayings. with regard to that also, is this a done deal? is there any doubt in your mind that putin will return crimea to where it belongs according to the west or is this diplomatic show of force basically to prevent another land grant somewhere else? on the second question first, on the issue of crimea, it is not a done deal in the sense that the international community by and large is not recognizing the annexation of crimea. the facts on the ground are that the russian military controls crimea. there are a number of individuals inside of crimea that are supportive of that process. there is no expectation that they will be dislodged by force. so what we can bring to bear are the legal arguments, the diplomatic arguments, the political pressure, the economic sanctions that are already in place to try and make sure that there is a cost to that process. i think it would be dishonest to suggest that there is a simple solution to resolving what has already taken place in crimea. although, history has a funny way of moving in twists and turns and not just in a straight line. so how the situation in crimea evolves in part depends on making sure the international community stays unified, indicating this was an illegal action on part of russia. with respect to the russian troops that are along the border of ukraine at the moment, right now, they are on russian soil. if they stay on russian soil, we oppose what appears to be an effort of intimidation by russia has a right legally to have its troops on its own soil. i don t think it is a done deal. i think that russia is still making a series of calculations. again, those calculations will be impacted in part by how unified the united states and europe are and the international community is in saying to russia, this is not how in the 21st century we resolve disputes. i think it is particularly important for all of us to dismiss this notion that somehow russian speakers or national inside of ukraine are threatened and that somehow that would justify russian action. there has been no evidence that russian speakers have been in any way threatened. if anything, what we have seen are provok coutours that have created scuffles inside ukraine. when i here analogy to kosovo where you had thousands of people who were being slaughtered by their government, it s a comparison that makes absolutely no sense. i think it is important for everybody to be clear and strip away some of the possible excuses for potential russian action. with respect to the broader issue of states that are bordering russia and what assurances do they have about future land grabs, as you put it, obviously, some of those countries are nato countries and as nato allies, we believe that the cornerstone of our security is making sure that all of us, including the united states, are abiding by article 5. the notion of collective defense. what we are not doing is organizing even more intensively to make sure that we have contingency plans and that every one of our nato allies has assurances that we will act in their defense against any threats. that s what nato is all about. that s been the cornerstone of peace in the transatlantic region now for several generations. so we will uphold that and there will be a series of nato consultations. it is going to be coming up in which we further develop and deepen those plans. i have not seen any nato members who have not expressed a firm determination with respect to nato members. now, those countries, border countries, that are outside of nato, what we can do, is what we are doing with ukraine, which is trying to make sure there is sufficient international pressure and a spotlight shined on the situation in some of these countries and that we are also doing everything we can to bolster their economies, make sure that through various diplomatic and economic initiatives that they feel supported and they know we stand by them. when it comes to a potential military response, that is defined by nato membership. that is what nato is about. jon karl from abc news. mr. president, thank you. in china, syria, and egypt and now in russia, we have seen you make strong statements, issue warnings that have been ignored. are you concerned that america s influence in the world, your influence in the world, is on the decline and in the light of recent developments, do you think mitt romney had a point when he said that russia is america s biggest geopolitical faux. if not russia, who? mr. prime minister, do you think these sanctions will change vladmir putin s calculation, cause him to back down? do you see where do you see a russian red line where if they go any further, into eastern ukraine and moldova where options beyond sanctions have to be considered? thank you. well, jonathan, i think if the premise of the question is that whenever the united states objects to an action and other countries don t immediately do exactly what we want, that that has been the norm. that would pretty much erase most of 20th century history. i think there is a distinction between us being very clear about what we think is an appropriate action, what we stand for, what principles we believe in versus what is, i guess, implied in the question, that we should engage in some sort of military action to prevent something. the truth of the matter is that the world has always been messy. what the united states has been consistently able to do and continue to be able to do is mobilize the international community around a set of principles and norms and where our own self-defense may not be involved. we may not act militarily. that does not mean that we don t steadily push against those forces that would violate those principles and eye deals we care about. so, yes, you are right. syria, the syrian civil war is not solved and yesterday syria has never been more isolated. with respect to the situation in ukraine, we have not gone to war with russia. i think there is a significant precedent to that in the past. that does not mean that russia is not isolated. in fact, russia is far more isolated in this instance than it was five years ago with respect to georgia and more isolated than it was certainly during most of the 20th century when it was part of the soviet union. the point is that they are always going to be bad things that happen around the world. the united states is the most powerful nation in the world. understandably, is looked to for solutions to those problems. we have put all evidence of our power behind solutions and working with our international powers. standing up for the principles and ideals in a clear way. there are going to be moments where military action is appropriate. there are going to be sometimes where that s not in the interest of national security interest of the united states or some of our partners. that doesn t mean we are not going to continue to make the effort or speak clearly about what we think is right and wrong. that s what we have done. with respect to mr. romney s assertion that russia is our number one geopolitical faux. the truth of the matter is that america has got a whole lot of challenges. russia is a regional power that is threatening some of its immediate neighbors. not out of strength but out of weakness. ukraine has been a country in which russia had enormous influence for decades, since the break up of the soviet union. we have considerable influence on our neighbors. we generally don t need to invade them in order to have a strong cooperative relationship with them. the fact that russia felt to go in militarily and lay bare these violations of international law indicates less influence, not more my response then continues to be what i believe today, which is, russia s actions are a problem. they don t pose the number one national security threat to the united states. i continue to be much more concerned when it comes to our security when with the prospect of a nuclear weapon going off in manhattan, which is part of the reason why the united states showing its continued international leadership has organized a form over the last several years that has been able to help eliminate that threat in a consistent way. there is no geopolitical conflict that can be solved without the united states. therefore, i applaud the fact that president obama s administration is active in every aarenrena. the initiatives that secretary kerry was taking in the middle east. i was in the region and spoke with leaders in israel and the palestinian territories. they are extremely grateful for the fact that america is providing leadership. this is a difficult issue. it can t be solved overnight. there is no magic wand that can handle this. i spoke with the president in the economic forum in january. we have now the fact that i was label to over 30, 40 years we spoke with an iranian leader. it was possible. it seems it is holding. america provided leadership there. i applaud president obama s role in all these major issues. it is necessary, because the united states is the leader of the free world and needs to provide leadership and he is doing that. your question on president putin, it would be difficult to exactly judge what is happening in the leadership in moscow, in russia at this moment. as i said earlier, i highly undiversified economy like the russian economy, which is so much oil and gas dependant, which has not invested in infrastructure and other areas of the economy, will be worried in the financial sector or in weapons or in trade or indeed, in energy. there could be potential sanctions that will hurt them. we have to design in such a way that it will particularly hit russia and not europe, the u.s., canada or japan. that is what we are working on. we hope we won t need it. i cannot envision this conflict ending up in a military conflict. i don t think it is likely i don t think anybody wants it. i tote little agree with president obama s answers on article 5 where the conflict will be taken to the board in the nato countries. luckily, that is, at this moment, not the case. questions. you met a lot of leaders here. many were angry about the nsa story. have you fixed the relationships with these leaders and the second question is, many are shocked by the extent of which the nsa collects private data. today, we read in the new york times that you plan to end the systematic collection of data of americans but can you address the concerns of the dutch and the rest of the world about their privacy? first of all, we have had a consistent, unbreakable bond between the leaders of europe over the last several decades. it s across many dimensions, economic, military, counter terrorism, cultural. any one issue can be an irritant in the relationship between the countries but it doesn t define those relationships. that continues to be the case and that has been the case throughout the last couple of years. as i setd in a spooech i gave earlier thisser yoo, the united states is very proud of its record of working with countries around the world to prevent terrorism or nuclear proliferation or human trafficking or a whole host of issues that all of us would be concerned about. intelligence plays a critical role in that process. what we ve seen is as technology has evolved, the guidelines and structures that con train how our intelligence agencies operated have not kept pace with these advances in technology. although having examined over the last year, year and a half what s been done, i m confident that everybody in our intelligence agencies operates in the best of intentions and is not snooping into the privacy of ordinary dutch, german, french, or american citizens. what is true is that there is a danger because of these new technologies that at some point, it cob abused. that s why i initiated a broad-based review of what we could do. there are a couple of things we did that are unprecedent. in my speech, i announced that for the first time, under my direction, that we are going to treat the privacy concerns of non u.s. persons as seriously as we are the constraints that already exist by law on u.s. persons. we are doing that not because we are bound by international law but because ultimately it is the right thing to do. with respect to some of the aspects of data collection, what i ve been very clear about is that there has to be a narrow purpose to it, not a broad-based purpose but rather based on a specific concern around terrorism or counter proliferation or human trafficking or something that i think all of us would say has to be pursued. and so what i ve tried to do then is to make sure that my intelligence teams are consulting very closely at each stage with their counterparts in other nations. so that there is greater transparency in terms of what exactly we are doing, what we are not doing. so some of the reporting here in european as well as the united states, frankly, has been pretty sensationalized. i think the fears about our privacy in this age of the internet and big data are justified. i think the actual facts people would have an assurance if that if you are just ordinary citizen, in any of these countries, that your privacy, in fact, is not being invaded. i recognize that because of these revelations, that there is a process that s taking place where we have to win back the trust, not just of governments but more importantly of ordinary citizens. that s not going to happen overnight, because i think that there is a tendency to be skeptical of government and to be skeptical in particular of u.s. intelligence services. so it is going to be necessary for us, the step we took that was announced today, i think is an example of us slowly, systematically, putting in more checks, balances, legal processes. the good news is, that i m very confident it can be achieved. i m also confident that the core values that america has always believed in in terms of privacy, rule of law, individual rights, that that has guided the united states for many years and will continue to guide us in the future. thank you very much, everybody. thank you again. you have been listening to president obama in a news conference with the dutch prime minister. there is the president finishing up with the dutch prime minister. i think really some of his most expansive comments to date over the crisis in ukraine, the president is saying there is no simple solution. he is saying it would be dishonest to suggest there was a simple solution to undo what s already done. in other words, get russian troops out of crimea. he did lay down something of a marker about what the united states would do if russia acts further. he took something of a rhetorical slap at vladmir putin calling russia a regional power. the sanctions are meant to isolate russia economically and politically. also, taking a stab at a bit of a slap at his ego if you will and those kind of comments will make it back to vladmir putin. let s bring in wolf blitzer. he is nour in our d.c. bureau. we noticed the comments and the two leaders and president obama talking about the linking of arms between the remaining g-7 countries about what they are doing to isolate russia. they are pretty much united right now. i think there were some substantive disagreements on specific steps if, in fact, the russians up the ante if you will. if they do anything beyond holding on to crimea. the president basically said that s a done deal. the facts on the ground. he realizes that russia is now in control of crimea even though the u.s. and european allies, almost all of the world, still reguards russia as part of ukraine. they are in charge and the president himself even acknowledged a whole lot of people in crimea who are happy about that. he did warn if the russians do take steps going against other parts of ukraine or if they were to take steps against other countries in that part of the world, eastern europe, certainly, if any steps were taken against nato allies like poland, estonia, lithuania, latvia, charter 5 of the charter would go into effect. you attack one and you attack all. the united states would have to come to the aid of that ally. he did acknowledge for all practical purposes russia is now in control of crimea. he didn t lay out the limits. he said there would be military support if russia encroaches on nato countries. wolf blitzer, in washington, we know you will be covering much more on wolf at 1:00 p.m. we are going to take a quick bre break. when we do come back, we will take a look at the search for flight 370. would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was 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it s certainly a setback. i think the safety investigation needs to be ongoing, and, of course, you ve got to identify a crash site before you can begin the investigation in earnest. so a bit of a setback, but an act of nature so we ve got to comply with that and we ll be done with in a day or so. and hopefully they ll find the wreckage and the crash site soon. we appreciate that optimism. bob, let s talk to you about this information that we saw. the malaysian government deliver to the world and to the families of the passengers. and i think the families specifically were struggling with the fact that they said this information has led to us believe that the plane went down in the south indian ocean with the absence of any wreckage. how do we accept this information as a definitive cause or result of what happened? i really think, given the malaysian government s track record, it s a little hard to take it at face value here. this is a very, very sophisticated analysis. as you know, it s based on what they call the doppler effect. when you hear a siren coming towards you, that frequency changes, that s the doppler effect. well, they re looking at the satellite versus airplanes flying away from it. first time it s of been done. none of us have seen the data. i think the chinese are right. we want to look at this data to make sure they really got it right this time, because they certainly had it wrong most of the last couple weeks. and steve, as we know, we are in a race against time. quite literally here. those black boxes, they stop pinging after 30 days or so after the plane, you know, disappeared. there will not be some of the equipment they need, the tow pinger locater won t arrive. they won t get it on the ship until april 5th and could stop pinging by april 8th. that s very difficult. they re up against it here. i agree. the pinger is important in finding the black box. but keep in mind, air france 447, it was almost two years before we found the recorders on the bottom of the ocean. so, yeah, it would be nice if we could do it via pinger, and a navy ship can find it with their equipment. but if it s not found by the end of the battery life of the recorder the pinger battery life, that is, they ll at least continue to search with all their other sophisticated equipment until they find it. want to say a big thank you to bob arnot. a real delight. thanks so much. we talk about the families and it s really important to always bring the focus back to them. they say they re not going to believe the government s version of what happened until they see proof with their own eyes. joining us to talk about the grief and frustration they are displaying right now, you know, it s very hard for all of us to see is heidi snow. heidi understands this. heidi lost her fiance in the twa 800 crash. since then, she has become a leading advocate for survivors, founding the group a.c.c.e.s.s., and she has trained care teams and aid disaster responders for major airlines. she this also the author of the book surviving sudden loss. heidi, we re all looking at these pictures and hearing just the emotion coming from the people in beijing and kuala lumpur. when you see it, you have such a unique perspective. what do you see? well, for me, it always brings me and all of us back. we had over 1,000 calls to help to a.c.c.e.s.s. over the years for different air disasters and a lot of calls from people from past air disasters, as well as a few of these families now. and for those of us who have been through it before, it brings us back to that crash site, the family assistance center. we all remember being there, just looking for answers. just holding out hope. and i feel like they re very much in that situation right now. and basically, we just kind of went back and forth, hold south hope and then going back to facing the reality that they may never come back to us and our lives are going to be forever changed. and we re going to have to live without them. and until there s some kind of confirmation through wreckage or some type of remains, i really believe that there really is no closure or any way to really get out of going back and forth with this hope that we cling on to and going back it to the reality. i think there needs to be a lot more evidence for the families to really be able to accept that their loved ones actually are gone. and i remember so well at the site, the varying personalities, we really learned at a.c.c.e.s.s. everybody goes through their grief in their own way. and a lot of the emotions that we have seen do remind me of what it was like. we had people who were very quiet, who were in shock. then we had those people who were very angry. and then we had people who were just sobbing. and so it really does resonate with all of us who have been there before. and after interviewing hundreds of people for our book, so much of what we re watching now just really is what the common reactions are for all of us. and what distinguishes air disasters from other types of losses is this waiting period. is this not having answers. and we certainly have a lot of people at a.c.c.e.s.s. who still do not have any remains or any confirmation from other air disasters that their loved ones actually were on board. so it is something that we all live with and one of the things we find most important is really being able to talk to somebody else who has been down that road. and who has had to go through this process. by pairing them according to the relationship of their loss and specific circumstances that they re facing. so we match mothers to mothers, siblings to siblings, spouses to spouses. and if remains are not found, we pair them up with somebody else who also had to wait a long time. so we really find that what has helped the most for our families is really being able to validate some of these feelings that are extremely difficult. and this is such a difficult time, and the rest of the world, i think it s hard for them to understand the hope piece. but all of us know that. because we would do anything we could to keep them alive. heidi, we want to say thank you, because we know this work that you do is ongoing. you have spoken with us before about the ongoing need after the press conferences are over. after the cameras go away. thank you so much, heidi snow. it works with providing emotional support services to survivors and family members of air aviation disasters. it thank you so much for joining us. you can read more about heidi s support group, aircraft casually emotional support services at
minutes. so when that statement comes, we ll, of course bring it to you. and of course all of this ongoing in sydney as it comes up on 6:00 local time. this siege going on now for more than eight hours. i m john vause at the cnn center in atlanta. and i m natalie allen. we have been with you for several hours, and we will push on as this situation in australia continues. it is breaking news of a siege there in a coffee shop that has been ongoing. a gunman holding people hostage at the lindt coffee shop in downtown sydney. sky news has just informed us that the gunman is calling himself the brother , and has contacted a radio station and two tv stations via hostages with demands, a conversation with the prime minister and an isil flag. we do know five people have managed to get out. three men were seen running out two hours ago. two of them were customers. the man in the blue jacket, the man in the white zirs and a few moments later there was a man wearing an apron who appeared to be a worker. coming out of a different door. and it appears he was a worker at the lindt coffee shop. he s wearing that apron. and we ve been questioning our experts. was this an escape or were they released. and according to our sky news reporter, the police saying this was a report, just there. then, after this, two women ran out, about 45 minutes later. this is a different camera angle, coming from a different way. there goes one. and police hustled her away. a then right after her another suddenly emerges. police tell us they have been in touch with the hostage taker, though they will not say who he is or what his motives are. let s listen. our number one aim is to resolve this incident peacefully. we have numerous resources from the new south wales police force on-site, in that effort to make sure that everybody who is in this location remains unharmed. we do not have any information that suggests that anybody is harmed at this stage. and a peaceful resolution will be what we are working towards. that was the new south wales deputy police commissioner there, a little over two hours ago. well, when the standoff began more nan eight hours ago, a flag with an islamic phrase was held up to the cafe s window. also as can you see, hostages were norsed to stand in that window with their hands on the glass. since then, heavily armed police have taken positions around the coffee shop anchor dod cordonede area. our reporter on the scene has reported this is a ghost town in this area. otherwise, very, very busy area. three blocks in every direction of this coffee shop. there have been evacuations linked to suspicious packages found around the city. air traffic has been re-routed around sydney. this is a very disturbing incident. i can understand the concerns and anxieties of the australian people at a time like this. but our thoughts and blaprayers must, above all, go out to these individuals who are caught up in this. i can think of almost nothing more distressing, more terrifying than to be caught up in such a situation. our hearts go out to those people. well, tony abbott is part of this story, since we just learned that the hostage taker, the brother , as he wants to be called, wants to talk with the prime minister. he wants a conversation with the prime minister and he also wants an isil flag. he had displayed that other flag which had an islamic phrase on it. many people thought it was an isis flag. it was the white writing on a black background. but now from our affiliate reporter in sky news, he is demanding an isil flag. it will be interesting to know how the police negotiators are dealing with this person and his demands. we want to go now to anna coren. she s been live there and on the streets of sydney for us, talking about what people are saying, the surprise from typical australians, and what she is learning. it s been very hard to get information. but anna joins us now. anna? reporter: well, the siege has been going on now for more than eight hours, and it doesn t look like it s going to be finishing anytime soon. as we said, five hostages have been released. and it s a promising sign that police negotiators are in touch with this gunman and making his way to release those hostages. we don t know. we can t confirm that that is the result of those negotiations. but certainly, from the people within the area, people who have evacuated from nearby buildings, there really is a sense of fear, that this is taking place, this is something australia has not been exposed to yet. australia very much involved in the war against isis in iraq and syria, but not here. there have been no attacks on home soil, threats most definitely, but no attacks. obviously raids over the past couple months and numerous arrests made, but, as for anything event waiting or coming to fruition, law enforcement authorities keeping on top of that. but this gunman walking into the lindt cafe this morning, really catching people off guard. we don t know if he had guns or other weapons, if he had bombs. but he clearly sought out his target. he is opposite 7 network australia. tv cameras able to film the cafe, film what s taking place. so obviously that building is being evacuated or everything nearby as is the u.s. consulate. there are dozens of buildings within that vicinity, and the police have gone and blocked off much of the cbd around the cafe, around martin place, not allowing anybody in. there s heavy, heavy police presence. we ve seen snipers. heavily armed as well as other police with flak jackets. there is that contingency of law enforcement. they are not your regular police officers but the more experienced and highly trained law enforcement officials who are on the scene as well, monitoring what is taking place inside that cafe. i want to talk to you about the fact that this was hour the ago that this thirfirst broke o there were images of the hostages inside the coffee shop, and there s been nothing since. is that because think cordoned off the area? is that because it s an ongoing dangerous situation? how come we haven t seen anything else as far as video from, through that first window that we saw earlier? reporter: yeah, it s safe to sayna all media has been evacuated from the media. so that live that you ve been getting through channel 7, that has now stopped. they ve probably been told they have to leave the building. they re not allowed to leave any crews there because of the potential threat. we were within 100 meters of lindt cafe a few hours ago. police then came and moved us on. they don t want to have visuals of the cafe, they say, security reasons. obviously, if the gunman starts to spray bullets or if there is an explosion, they want people away. they re greetitreating it very, seriously. we spoke with a woman earlier, and she said they have contact with him, they are in touch with him. but they want this resolved peacefully. at this statement, it s gone 6:00 here. it could very well go into the night. but they do want this to resolve peacefully. we ve just received some new information. i think we have a comment from someone who saw the gunman. this is a witness. outside the cafe actually saw the gunman. and he describes exactly what, he said it was, i believe it was a man who was actually didn t realize that there were hostages as first. let s listen to what the person had to say. when i first ran into the building, he was trying to get someone s attention, trying to get in the doors. and on the third run, i was looking in there, wondering what her problem was, why she didn t go somewhere else to get her coffee. and then obviously the gunman or alleged yoefder held a bag out, and she said gun, gun, gun. in a blue bag. i saw the gunman. i was quite tall. probably late 40s. long white sleeved shirt on with a vest. i was very calm and pacing, looking out. and several customers were sitting down at their tables, still drinking. i m not sure how alert they were as to what was going to go on. but they were locked in. clearly that person did not want to be identified, which is why he was shot that way, but giving us very interesting details about this woman who was turned away, and telling us just what the gunman looked like. his age and that kind of thing. earlier there had been a report that he was in his 40s, and some people were surprised that that seemed a little old. old, for whatever reason. these people who carry out these kind of things are younger, more easily influenced, are looking for some kind of direction in their lives. we often hear how it s not just religion but poverty, unemployment, lack of opportunity which drives people to these extremist groups. as we ve heard from sky news our affiliate in sydney, that the government is debating an isil flag. isil is another term for isis. isil is often used by governments. islamic state. that s all it is. it just depends on who you are, what you use. that link is very, very close to isis. at least from the government s point of view. he is aspirational. he wants to be a representative of this group, which is why he wants this flag. why he didn t have one in the first place i guess is another question. some plan in reaching out to the media. now three member the of the media so far that s been reported. well, this, of course, we ve always been told about the lone wolf situation, or, as you say, anyone who just needs someone to pay attention to them for whatever deranged reason. but australia s grand mufti released a statement. we want to read it in part. and we quote, the grand mufti and the australia national imam s council condemn this criminal act and unequivocally denounce. and we aspire to a peaceful resolve to this calamity. let s go to the president of the lebanese muslim associate in sydney on the line with more details about this. so samir, explain to us, there were occasions where police raided an area southwest of sydney. an area where many ex-pats from lebanon live. that was not the case. tell us exactly what had happened the last couple hours. caller: well, i don t know where you got this report. in fact, there s been reports of police on their official website. there have been a lot of these type of reports and trying to link it to what s happening in the cafe, and police have come out and said that none of those events in any kind of shape or form related to what is currently taking place in the cafe. so you ve got a car driving down, a police vehicle driving down the street, people getting a little frustrated or calling up and being concerned maybe that this is sort of related. so it s more fear mongering than anything else to be quite frank with you. my understanding from one of the reports i read said that police actually met with leaders from the islamic community. that s not the case? caller: that s not the case. i ve been in direct discussion with the premier of the state just about ten minutes ago. we had another conference call to try to give us more briefs. there have been these briefs been giving to the community leaders every few hours to give us a bit more of an insight and give us a little bit more information about what is currently taking place. and what can you share with us about those conversations? what are they telling you? caller: they re telling us in terms of information, which is not much. they currently don t know the identity of this individual. they don t know what the motive is. they re treating it as a criminal hostage situation. they re not sure whether he s linked to any particular group. and hopefully that information will unfold. there are five hostages that have left the cafe so far. so we don t know whether they have been released or whether they ve escaped. taken from the point of view from what you ve reported that he s seeking an isil flag, so he comes across as someone who s not really well prepared if he intended to cause that type of harm. as community leaders, we ve offered our help and assistance in any shape or form if they can identify who this individual is so we can be involved in a negotiation and a dialog with this individual. i was going to ask you about that samir, because i wondered if they asked you about that, are you disappointed in any way that they haven t reached out to the community to incorporate you somehow, seeing this to a peaceful end? caller: well, unless they have facts as to which group he belongs to it will be hard to engage. he carried a black flag with some type of arabic writing on it. it s not the isis flag. we don t know who this individual is. then we can target this eideal. the police and the government have been in close contact with community leaders, as i highlighted. we ve also made contact with different departments within the police offering our help and assistance when they see or feel the need. we have the protocol and the safety and security of these hostages at the utmost importance. this is at the point where we as a community coming together as australians. our first and foremost priority is the safety of these hostages. samir, when this situation first started unfolding and there was this confusion about whether or not it was a shois flag or a flag with an islamic phrase on it. and everybody s making this connection that this is this lone wolf terrorist attack that many in australian security had been warning about, was that your reaction? or did you think this was something else? caller: i take everything seriously when someone s life is at stake. it doesn t bother me whether this is a lone operator or connected to a group or not. i m someone who needs to be well-informed about the facts. and this is where we leave it to the authorities. once the facts become available then we can deal with the situation. the current situation which is of crucial importance to us is the safety of the hostages and the families. this is our main concern. the fact that we saw a black flag with arabic writing on it made us more concerned, obviously. you can just imagine where we wanted to try to deliver everything we can to help defuse the situation. it s important what group he belongs to. what we want to do is defuse that. once more information comes available we are more briefed and more informed and we can deal with this issue accordingly. we have new images of what appear to be the gunman inside the cafe. s wearing a hid band, a vest and a white shirt. a backpack as well. you said you re trying to defuse the situation regarding who this guy is and what his motivation might be. exactly how do you do that? caller: well, once the police officers, if they get aligned to talk to this guy and identify who he is, and then if we reach out to the community organizations to identify his family members. maybe he s got someone that he s a trusted individual from an ethnic group or a family perspective, maybe we can help the police identify the individual and bring them into the negotiations, try to defuse it. from the video right there, it s almost hard to believe that they can t figure out who that person is. caller: because they haven t been able to speak to the individual. so you tell me well, they did say the negotiate eors have been in tou with him, but they haven t been able to work out who he is. caller: that s something you need to work out with the negotiators. do you think they re talking through hostages to the gunman? caller: no, i don t think so. from what we know so far, there s been absolutely no conversation with the gunman. we did hear from sky news that the negotiators have made contact with him. you don t have any more information about that, obviously. caller: no, i don t. well, we thank you for your time and letting us know that community members have been briefed every so often on this case. that s good to hear. it must be frustrating. you can imagine that they re standing by, they want to help, they want to get involved and find out who this person is. when they do find out who he is, maybe they can reach out to him and work to defuse the situation. all we know at this point is what we ve heard from sky news australia is that that guy there, right there in the vest with the white shirt is calling himself the brother. he has made two demands. one is to have a conversation on the radio with prime minister tony abbott. it s unlikely that will ever happen. but you nene never know. the other demand is that he wants an isil or isis flag in exchange for one hostage. he apparently has said there are two bomb the inside that cafe and two bombs inside the sydney cbd. and this security camera that picked this up, he s adamant whatever he s saying and someone is walking up to him with their hands up. hands up. right that s right. this is the latest since we ve been here for many hours now. but we have seen people, of course, run out. and we have some compelling pictures of one of the two women who ran from that cafe toward police, not long ago, wearing lindt aprons. three men ran out before them. one of the men that ran out also had an lindt apron. that s three staff member the working in this coffee shop. i believe the woman who came out before her was carrying her purse. this woman looks like she just got out with her apron and out. and sky news reporter we talked with, believing information she has this was an escape. it wasn t a part of negotiations. and john and i s perspective. it did seem as if the police weren t expecting they did seem to be taken a little bit by surprise. earlier, the deputy director of the new south wales police took questions at a news conference. that s when we learned that police have maid cde contact wi the gunman. i cannot confirm numbers. about how many people might remain or have left. it is really important, i think, for us all to take on board that as this situation is continuing, and as it is unfolding, and as it is that we actually have people who are in this premises at the moment, that we manage it through patience through our negotiators, and we give them the time at the moment that they need to work through this so that they can resolve it. so those operational details will be forthcoming, but it s not a good point in time to speculate. can you talk about negotiating? does that mean the police have made contact with the gunman? police negotiators have had contact, and they phone have contact. and we will work through this as, as we do with our negotiators. it might take a bit of time, but we want to resolve this peacefully. and i assure you, if it takes a bit of time, we will take the time. who is the gunman and what does he want. i know you can t give specifics. but basics, who is i and what does he want? at this stage, those might vagss are not known, and it would not be good to special late, but we have set up our protocols. so the moment we have activated our investigators and our intelligence officers. so we now have numerous police who are working on establishing who this person is and what those motives might be. all i can say is that they are now out of the building, and they are now with police. do the police have a rough idea about how many hostages were in the, how many had initially before the three left? look, i know there has been some speculation about numbers, but it really is not really helpful at the moment to speculate. we clearly, we clearly are dealing with a situation that is unfolding, and it s happening as we speak. and the most important thing is the safety of those hostages. so i wouldn t want to do anything that might impact on their safety. some of the speculation has been up to 30, 40 hostages. that seems high with some of the other estimates. that sort of a number does not equate with what we be assuming. we don t know. we don t know for a clear fact, but it is not as high as 30. those that have escaped, candidate police have contact with them? we are with those people now. the first thing we are doing is making sure they are okay. we will then establish who they are. and we will continue to work with them. there was some suggestion coming from inside that some hostages were, had fallen ill, that they were not okay. the information that i had is that nobody has been harmed or injured at the moment. we have been working through our negotiations to try to make sure that the people inside are cared for, that they have what they need to, so that they don t become ill or injured. so we will continue to do that. i think that from the information that i had, that is not related to the incident that we are dealing with. as you know, we have certain protocols in the city. and particular infrastructure and building have their own protocols. that might have been a matter for them, but we are not saying that that is connected with this. we have our protocols in place. pioneer has been activated. are you treating this as a terror could you explain a little bit more about what pioneer is? this really is about setting up command-and-control, so that we make sure that we have a clear police commander in charge, that we have an incident management team is he sce menme people are able to identify the resources needed. in terms of a policing response, this is a reasonably familiar policing response. [ inaudible question ] any other links? there have been several reports of at the moment the martin place incident is what we are dealing with. there have been other reports, as you would expect, because we do urge people to be vigilant, and we do urge people to contact us if they see anything suspicious, whether that be a suspicious package or vehicle, and people are doing that, which is what we want. so we want people to continue that. and we will respond. but at the moment, the situation that we are dealing with is in martin place. can you confirm that there are one or two hostage takers. i can t confirm those numbers. there are reports that ieds might be involved, that he may have an explosive buielt. all this will be forthcoming once we get the information. i believe the police commissioner made the comment in that regard. can you confirm that is the case? i can t confirm what the police commissioner has said. no, whether that is the case that there is an ied. i can t speculate on what may or may not be, and that would be unhelpful at the moment. at the moment we know that the person we are dealing with is armed. we are aware of that. and what we would do in terms of their situations is make sure that we consider any, any possibility and so that we are able to respond accordingly. can you confirm if this is a terror incident? we still don t know what the motivation might be. but in terms of our protocols as i ve said, we ve set up our command-and-control protocols [ multiple questions ] we ve had three hostages released unharmed. how positive is that for this afternoon? i ve said, as long as nobody gets hurt, we want though resolve this peacefully. and that is what we are working towards. and the negotiators are extremely experienced and skilled at what we are doing with the negotiation and if it goes on for a few more hours, it will go on for a few more hours. but, as i say, the priority is the safety of those people as well as the safety of everybody in new south wales. thanks very much. we d like to welcome you back to our continuing coverage of the situation in sydney. a gunman continues to hold hostages at the lindt coffee shop. the hostage taker seen here has identified himself as the brother. he has reportedly contacted three media organizations, using the hostages to speak with the outlets. he is demanding an isis flag and also a fon call with australia s prime minister. take a look at this video. five hostages that managed to get out. three men were seen running out first. all this happened about three hours ago. two customers it seems, followed shortly by a man who worked at this coffee shop. he is wearing an apron which read lindt on it. then two women ran out about 45 minutes later. all five hostages reportedly escaped from the cafe. they were not released. still not clear how many hostages remain inside that coffee shop. the situation began almost nine hours ago now. a flag with an islamic phrase was held up to the cafe s window. hostages were forced to stand in that window with their hands pressed against the pane of glass. anna coren joins us not far from the coffee shop. bring us up to date. we are now in the situation where there are five less hostages being held. we have more details about who may be holidaying them and what he wants. reporter: yeah. that s right. we re learning certainly more details from police about what in fact this hostage taker wants. as you say, he wants a phone call with the prime minister tony abbott and also an isis flag. but this is all unfolding about a block from where we are standing. as you can see, the ambulances parked up here on mcquarry street, where this cafe is, the lindt cafe. it s about a block, 100, 200 meters as the crow flies, but heavy police presence. we ve also seen sniper police, many of them taking position, watching and waiting. as we heard from the deputy police commissioner, catrkathry burn, if this goes on longer so be it. we know there are still hostages inside with that gunman who is armed. we don t know if he has other explosives or bombs, but certainly, all the people working in the buildings around lindt cafe have been evacuated. obviously, the 7 network, australia, that have opposite the cafe. the reserve bank of australia, the law society, very close by are the law courts. as well as the u.s. consulate. so all these people, you know, hundreds of people have been evacuated from the heart of martin place, in the cbd here in sydney as this siege unfolds. a short time ago, over the last hour or so when you got there, you were much closer to the action. so why are they continuing to expand this exclusion area? reporter: yeah. that s right. where we were several hours ago, we could actually see the cafe. we had a visual on it. since then, police have moved us. they are concerned. you know, like i said, they don t know what this gunman has or if he will start shooting. so they want everybody out of harm s way. they want to focus purely on this gunman. very senior negotiators are currently speaking to him. we don t know if the release of those five hostages is a result of those conversation, a result of the contact that these negotiators now have with this gunman. but certainly, there is a dialog. there is a conversation taking place. we know for a fact that this gunman chose that position because of its location. he wanted attention. he got it. he was in the heart of the city. he was opposite a major tv station. he clearly wanted the world watching what was taking place. now we know that the part of his demands are to speak to the prime minister of australia and to get an isis flag. other than that, we don t know his motivations, and we don t know, you know, who in fact this man is. okay. we appreciate that. we want to go to ray hadley now. he is the number one rating radio host in sydney. i think in australia as well. you re with 2 gb. i understand you had a conversation with the gunman via hostages earlier today? caller: good day. we kept going because we made contact with the hostages on my program. obviously, i didn t want to put them to air. so i took their calls off air and at the same time could hear the hostage taker giving the young man as he spoke to me, a 23-year-old, instructions on what he wanted to do. what s revealed by your reporter, he wanted the isis flag, a conversation with the prime minister. i spoke with our police chief in new south wales and spoke to him, spoke with the premier, which is a bit like your governor, and they told me off air that it would be best if we didn t report those matters. i kwept in contact with the young man. he gave me his mobile. whee about four conversation, and i felt troubled. i asked the police to supply me with a negotiator. i didn t feel equipped to negotiate with him. the negotiator arrived here, and i went off air about 20 minutes ago. and the negotiators are still dealing with him. as you ve been told, five people have been escaped. they weren t released. one of them a worker. and then two young ladies who were also workers, escaped as well. and police continue their negotiations. they re dealing with a lunatic. they re dealing with a person who s making outrageous claims. he wants the government to acknowledge that this is a terrorist operation, that he s doing this on behalf of isis or isil. and the government at this particular stage are treating a terrorist as you would treat any terrorist in any part of the world. they re doing their best to secure the safety of the hostages without meeting too many of his demands. explain how this process works. you got this phone call, this 23-year-old man, a hostage being held inside the cafe. and he relayed what the guy with the gun was saying and then he told you and you d respond and he d say it to the gunman? is that how it went down? i could hear the gunman. first of all, we were skeptical. you get a phone call on your line saying i m a hostage. i wouldn t talk to him on air, because i was fearful that i was being duped or that i might be at risk after i came off air. and i spoke to the man and ringed him back to confirm he was a hostage. i had spoken to police, they had a list of some of the hostages. his name was given to me by the young man. i could hear the hostage taker issue the instructions about wanting to talk to the prime minister, calling me a scumbag, calling the media generally scumbags for incorrectly reporting isil as being a group of people who are murderous bastards who have no regard for human life. i didn t report what i d been told. i said i have a phone call from a hostage and i contacted police, which i did do. he phoned back again and left his number. so i went to a newsbreak and rang him again. at the end of three or four conversations when these demands were still being made, that he wanted, the hostage taker wanted to talk to the prime minister, mr. abbott, i then said to the police we need someone over with a bit of expertise. so a negotiator came over and decided to take the calls. since then he s had conversations with a number of other hostages over the course of the last two or three hours. can you describe what i sounded like? was he unhinged? was he yelling? what kind of accent he had? caller: he had a middle eastern accent with an australi australian tinge. we have been a country like your country, very welcoming of people from that part of the world. we have a long tradition of lebanese christians coming to sfr australia. and more recently, people of the muslim faith. the vast majority are peaceful, hard-working people who want to make a life for themselves. but we have these radicals, lunatics who have between 12 and 25 people holding hostage. the police know, but they won t release the number. originally there were somewhere between 15 and 30. so you take a guess. it s either ten people in there or 25. we don t know. now you say he threatened to dispose of hostages. i m making the assumption he threatened to kill them. caller: that s what he was saying. police negotiators say now that we re in the ninth hour and no one s been hurt or injured this is someone they can deal with, if you nknow what i mean. hang on. we re getting a live news conference. might assist, and, again, i put out that plea and that message, if anybody does have information, please let us know. it s really important that you pass it on, because even a small snippet of information might be vital. inside, facebook and social media some of the demands that the gunman s making. i know you need to keep some things under wrap, but it s out there for everybody to see. we were monitoring what s happening on facebook and twitter. and that is forming a part of our tactical response and how to handle this. yes, that is out there, and we are aware of that. what do you tell the negotiators? that s not what i can talk about, what he might be telling negotiators, but the contact that we have will be ongoing, and it will be based on our best assessment about how to get those people out safely, which is what does count most. some are talking about that there are to police? or is he trying to use the media to make those demands? i think that there s probably a number of mediums that are being used at the moment, but we all have to be very careful not to completely overreact at this time. because it is still ongoing, but it is important to reiterate, that we are aware of that. we are monitoring it. and we are using that as a part of our strategy. why can t you say how many are still inside? it s not something that i can confirm at the moment. and it s not technically useful to actually confirm potential numbers. for people who we are, we might be dealing with who may have concerns that a friend or relative or a loved one might be in that building. we have set up, clearly, our, our public information inquiry number. the people who have been released, they have been able to tell you how many are inside? 30 is an imperative why is that so sensitive? because at this point, everything has to be about the safety of the people in the location. so it s important that we don t confirm it at this point. can we talk, would you be able to explain a little bit about task force pioneer? pioneer is really just a term, a standing arrangement. it s a term that relates to our command-and-control arrangement. so when we do have a major incident, such as this, we set up our police operation center so we have a commander in place, and we have a forward command, and we have other management protocols so that we are ensuring that we have the best police response. so that includes investigators. that includes intelligence. that includes logistics. it includes all resources. and it also includes long-term planning. so that is basically a standing arrangement in terms of a response that we put in place to make sure that we have the best control and command arrangement under way. can you [ multiple questions at once ] again, i don t want to speculate, but we are in contact, and we will continue, and we will continue and the aim is peaceful resolution. that there are bombs, that this man has threatened that there are bombs across other places in sydney. can the public be and feel safe with that threat? we have a large police response in place as a part of this operation. we have our police out. they re very visible. we have our police transport command as well as reminding the public to be vigilant and to be aware. our police are also vigilant and aware and are making sure that if there are any suspicious packages or suspicious vehicles, but i think it is important for me to reiterate that we have got this situation contained to one area at the moment. we are responding to other pieces of information, other calls, et cetera, and we will continue to. but our response is in relation to the incident at martin place. [ questioning simultaneously ] can you tell us more about the gunman? we have to wrap it up. thank you. thank you. thank you. we ve been listening to another briefing there by the new south wales deputy police commissioner. and, again, not a lot of information coming out. she is saying there is an operation under way. we know that. we have been watching it for some time. they are limited in how much they are willing to reveal to the public at this point, which is fair enough i guess. it is frustrating for a lot of people. there are reports out there that catherine burn discussed it that there are some hostages inside that cafe who have been posting on facebook and twitter. really bizarre. the police don t feel comfortable addressing those reports. if they rt stastarted to, wh would they stop? the main message we re getting from these briefings, and we had it again there, the police are stressing that the situation is contained to just one area. that one area just happens to be the very center of the sydney cbd. that would be if there was a hostage situation in times square and that area was closed down. you can imagine how that would throw the city into disarray. the banks and u.s. consulate is there as well. and that is the person causing all of this described by ray hadley, the number one radio guy, as a lunatic. that s i have commvery commoo use that type of language. in the past ray has been very outspoken about the influence of radical islam and the effect is having across australia. he s been very vocal about it. so that may explain why he was the first call before reaching out to other media outlets like channel 9 and 10. the gunman has been making two demands. the first is that he wants an isis flag, which raises the question, if he is affiliated with isis, why didn t he have an isis flag in the first place. the second demand is that he wishes to speak via phone with tony abbott. there was some discussion that he wanted to do that live on the air as well. that would be unlikely that that would happen. and ray hadley also telling us that he was speaking to the gunman by the 23-year-old hostage who was inside that cafe, and he could hear the gunman in the background. he spoke with a middle eastern ak sechbt with an australian tinge. he didn t sound very rational. he did threaten as ray described it, to dispose of hostages, which is an indication that he would be inclined to kill some hostages, but there s no indication that anybody inside that cafe has been hurt. i was wanting to ask him, too bad that we did have to go away from him to take the news conference, which we didn t learn very much from, but what was the demeanor of that young hostage that was being kind of the filter the go between. for this gunman. we ve been talking about whether these three men who got out first, followed by the two women, whether they were part of this negotiation that was going on. we do know part of the developments is that the negotiators have made contact with the government. the police aren t confirming it, but what we ve heard from a number of reports as well as ray l hadley, that these five people managed to escape. he had what, three conversations with this poor hostage before the police got involved. yes. he kept calling his cell phone, and the guy kept answering. let s bring in justin hastings. he s a terrorist expert currently in hawaii. we have a situation that we ve got this guy taking hostages, but he doesn t have the right flag. he s allowing hostages inside there to receive cell phone calls, on their mobile calls. he s let five people actually manage to escape, if that is in fact what has happened. he s allowing people to post on facebook as well as twitter. is this adding up to a profile of a guy who isn t really in control of what s going on? caller: it doesn t seem very well planned. it depends on what his actual goal is, if it s to get attention for his cause then it s suck sided beyond his wildest dreams. if it s something else, he s got a problem. he didn t control the exit. he didn t control information in and out of the building. and he does sort of sound crazy to people who overhear him. it may be something drove him to do this without a lot of planning, without a lot of forethought. that s what you said earlier when you joined us, the whole thing by isis, if this is indeed related to that, which it does appear, is that they reach out to all kinds of people in the west and other countries to try to mobilize them and these aren t people that, in particular, have any experience, thankfully, in dangerous situations or taking hostages and causing harm. so that s some good news, but it seems like this person didn t really have or hasn t had a plan. caller: right, so isis reaches out. they may or may not have been in contact with him. but in some sense it doesn t matter. isis wants people to go and attack outside their home base. people do it. they may or may not be successful in killing anyone, but they certainly attract a lot of attention for the cause and they certainly are able to cause a lot of disruption even if they have no training at all. so from this point of view, isis would say, if in fact he s doing this on behalf of isis or sympathetic to isis, this a win for us even if we didn t order it ourselves. we ve got five people who got out, a guy who doesn t have a particularly good plan. this has been going on for mean ho nine hours. no one has been harmed. this seems to be the indication, as far as you can tell, coming to a benign end? caller: well, i don t know. this could go either way at this point, right? they re trying to wait him out, he may get tired of waiting. he may start to lose more control and lash out. or he may just sort of give up. it s difficult to say, right? so, you know, things are delicate. it depends on how the police and the gunman handle things. but the fact that hostages have escaped shows that his plan isn t working to the extent he wants it to. it doesn t mean it s going to be a benign end, but we hope it will be. now that he has asked to speak with the prime minister and requested a flag, according to reports, what typically would be the police response to something like that? a negotiator, are they trying to drag this out? do they turn him down cold? how does the process work? caller: well, you know, the police could try to delay, to see if that would sort of help the situation. they could sort of, the largely unobjectionable. see if that will calm him down or if that will sort of, you can trade some hostages for the flag for example. we can see what s going on and then sort of come back out again. but, again, it s all subject to negotiation. they may not want to have it happen in delay. natalie and i were quite surprised when we heard these reports that the gunman is a man in his 40s. that seemed a little old for us, for, you know, the typical profile of the young, disaffected, you know, muslim who, you know, takes up the cause on behalf of one of these jihadi groups. caller: right. it s certainly outside the standard demographic in terms of age, but the full range of sort of terrorists are much younger and much older than, you know, might say the 18 to 35-year-old. there were some australians who were found to be much younger than 18. you see people older helping out. we don t want to derive too much from the fact that he s in his 40s. i want to ask you this last question. what has struck you as watching this unfold for the last several hours as the most unusual thing about this particular hostage situation? caller: anything unusual about it? mm-hm. what has struck you as being the most unusual as far as the guy that we re seeing on the screen here? caller: i would say that what s unusual about it is that, you know, typically, we, you know, in the past couple years we thought of terrorist attacks as sudden, an explosion or they ll capture someone and behead him. but this is being drawn out. in some ways, the fact that it s drawn out and sighieeing it plat over a long period of time is more dangerous than a sudden explosion. justin hastings, we talked with you earlier, we appreciate you talking with us again out of hawaii. we should mention he s with the university of sydney. so he has an understanding of the current terrorism situation in australia. we ve also been hearing more from witnesses in sydney. they ve been coming forward and speaking with our affiliate. and some have described the events before the gunman took hostag hostages. in the few minutes i was on the phone this unfolded. i don t know whether the gun man was in there when i was in the cafe. but this unfolded very quickly at about 9:35, 9:40. and inside that cafe people were sitting down chatting over could have e coffee. the building was on lockdown. it was a bit scary, really. did the police come and clear your building? what happened. they were clearing the channel 7 news building. and then we were put on lockdown. we wouldn t go out. we couldn t go down to the public toilets downstairs, and basically we just got took out. we got shipped out in single file really fast. it s just amazing, isn t it, with all of the threats in the world. people are just caught off guard because they re just living their life. they don t think anything s going to happen where you are. well, the #sydney siege is the number one topic right now. many world leaders are weighing in on their comments. david cameron says he was briefed overnight. my thoughts were with all those caught up in it. stephen harper says canada s thoughts and prayers are with our australian friends. john keith send this message, i ve contacted prime minister tony abbott to let him know our thoughts are with the people of australia. and finally from narendra modi. i pray for everyone s safety. and we also know that in the united states, the u.s. president, barack obama has in fact been briefed by his senior terrorism adviser, so he is aware of the situation which is ongoing right now. it is coming up to 3:00 in the morning on the east coast on monday. and earlier, bob behar told us this is not in line with what an extreme group like isis would do. caller: the police will get an idea, not until he comes out and starts talking will they get an idea of what the situation is. now they re talking about negotiators in contact with the government. first of all, how would they have done that, and exactly what will they be talking to this guy about, if they re in fact still talking? caller: well, they re going to first try to figure out who he is and what he wants. he may simply be a lunatic or several of them. they won t know that until they talk to the released hostages and ones that got away. and i think that the situation s looking more benign as we go. i think when we saw the police helicopters and closing downtown, this is a standard procedure. it s an overreaction, but it s absolutely necessary in a situation like this. and what gives you the conclusion that this is more benign? caller: well, simply because, if you re going to go into a mall, and you are an isis-like group, you almost immediately resort to violence. and lockdown a place like this and some sort of a martyrdom operation. with shoisis, a lot of these pee are self-recruited and a lot of their information they re getting off the internet. we ve seen them attack in
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questions this morning about his condition and if the this morning on world news now ebola infection. a new york doctor who treated patients in africa gets sick. the big questions this morning about his condition and if the virus was spread in the city. extreme weather from a rare tornado in the pacific northwest to powerful winds and downpours in the midwest. it s mother nature s october fury. fearless bikers. defiance on the highway after cops try to stop cyclists on a wild ride. what to do if you get swarmed by motorcycles in your car you re beautiful you re beautiful it s true sorry song. james blount and his hit single. he s apologizing saying the song is anything but beautiful. that s in the skinny on this friday, october 24th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now. tell them what i really like that song. still to this day? yeah, i think it is a nice song. he s even saying it s not a good song. well, maybe he ll change his mind after we again? discuss it later. hello. i m t.j. holmes alongside reena ninan. the big story, this just broke just a few hours ago here in new york. now has a lot of folks concerned. we re going to kick off this half hour. the latest on the ebola case. the doctor in new york city testing positive for the deadly virus after returning from west africa. a 33-year-old doctor treating ebola patients in guinea. one of the countries devastated by the disease. he is now in isolation at a manhattan hospital. his girlfriend quarantined. the doctor rode the subway, took a car service here in new york just the night before he fell ill. linsey davis has more on how this all unfolded. reporter: inside this ambulance rushing to bellevue hospital, 33-year-old craig spencer. a doctors without borders physician suffering from a fever and gastrointestinal symptoms. a confirmed case of ebola right in the heart of new york city. i know it s a frightening situation, but the more facts you know, the less frightening this situation is. reporter: dr. spencer had been in guinea, one of three hot zone countries. last thursday he flew home connecting through brussels before arriving at jfk airport. he d been monitoring his temperature and reported his fever. police officers in masks, neighbors anxious. a local councilman trying to calm fears. frankly, people in the neighborhood are scared, and some of them are panicked. i had one gentleman who wouldn t even shake my hand because he was scared. reporter: the health department says a team of disease detectives immediately began to actively trace all of the patient s contacts to identify anyone who may be at potential risk. the patient is now in isolation. the health department has a team of disease detectives who have been at work tracing all of the patient s contacts and we are prepared to quarantine contacts as necessary. reporter: in recent days, bellevue hospital has been holding drills in case a possible ebola patient comes through their door. those plans going into motion. reporter: it took only a few hours to determine that spencer did, indeed, test positive for ebola. linsey davis, abc news, new york. this is what we know about dr. spencer s past few days. he left guinea october 14th, stopped in brussels before arriving in new york on the 17th. he sticks to guidelines checking his temperature twice a day. this past tuesday he feels tired. wednesday, spencer takes the subway to brooklyn to a bowling alley and hops in a cab back home. he notifies authorities yesterday morning when he comes down with a 103 fever n also has diarrhea. at some point he also went for a three-mile jog, but health officials say there s no reason for alarm. you should stay with us here at abc news as we cover the latest ebola infection. look for more live updates in our next half hour and on america this morning. we know more about the man who stormed canada s parliament building. he was a loner who had drug problems, criminal record and converted to islam. abc s karen travers reports authorities still want to know much more about him. reporter: this dramatic video shows bystanders scrambling as michael zehaf-bibeau races toward canada s parliament. this picture authentic but from an unknown source shows him up close with that weapon. police say zehaf-bibeau came to ottawa earlier this month to get a passport. his mother saying her son wanted to travel to syria. this rampage may have been a result of him not getting that travel document. i think the passport figured prominently in his motives and i m not inside his head, but i think it was central to what was driving him. reporter: canadian authorities said they have 93 citizens under investigation or surveillance as possible terrorists. zehaf-bibeau may have had extremist views, but he was not on that watch list. had we have known that he wanted to travel to syria, then he certainly would have been. reporter: abc news learned zehaf-bibeau crossed into the u.s. on four separate occasions. canadian and u.s. officials are trying to retrace his steps to figure out where he went and who he may have met with. concerns are growing in canada and in the u.s. about homegrown terrorists who may be trying to join isis in syria or iraq. canadian officials say they still have a lot to learn about how and why michael zehaf-bibeau turned to radicalism. karen, thank you. three people are dead after a midair collision in maryland between a helicopter and private plane. all three fatalities were aboard the helicopter which was on a training flight. the two men on the plane were injured but have already been released from the hospital. they were able to deploy a parachute which lessened the plane s impact on the ground. the helicopter hit a storage facility as it came down. a powerful storm system moving through washington state yesterday spawned a tornado. it was caught on video in longview, washington. meteorologists measured it at an ef-1. it carved a path of destruction other yards wide and a mile long. luckily caused no reported injuries. on the east coast, a powerful nor easter slammed much of new england leaving its own path of destruction. abc s rob marciano was in the heart of the storm zone just outside boston and has the latest. reporter: with howling winds near hurricane strength and nearly a half a foot of rain, the northeast is getting lashed by a nor easter. conditions in peabody, massachusetts, so severe schools canceled. drivers in high water. this man had to be carried out to safety by firefighters. along the coast, boats run aground, crashing waves up to 18 feet high. dangerously close to homes. across the northeast, a tangled mess of downed trees, crushed cars and debris. thick trunk trees snapped clean in half. in connecticut, downed power lines sparking this gas fire. we periodically go and monitor it to make sure the heat from the fire isn t spreading to the home. reporter: wind and rain so severe drivers abandoned their cars. this won t be the strongest storm new englanders see this winter, but certainly a large one and slow mover. it s done its damage as far as beach erosion already. it will move out through the day an friday but not before taking some of this coastline with it. rob marciano, abc news, massachusetts. wow. that was an interesting tag there. rob is the best out in the field. worked with him for a long time. he s fantastic out there. good to see him out there. now here s a look at today s weather. the nor easter is blowing out to sea lingering behind showers across new england. heavy rain in the pacific northwest and up to six inches. cool across much of the northern half of the country. 50s and 60s. but dry conditions in the midwest. 70s and 80s. 96 degrees for phoenix. a lava flow on the move threatening thousands of residents on the big island of hawaii. the flow is less than a mile away from the town of pahoa. it s only a matter of time before residents there are forced to evacuate. they hope to give them at least three days notice. that s scary stuff. it devoured 130 acres of terrain by thursday afternoon. unstoppable, huh? what do you do? you just have to get out of the way. probably just a matter of time. hopefully everybody will be all right. our friends out in hawaii. some of the big island residents are used to it. it began in 1983. i guess this is something they know comes with paradise. comes with paradise, right? we ve got a sight out of idaho coming up. a captivating sight here. as seen from high above, it s a bird s-eye view of the corn maze at the farmstead in meridian. this year it s carved out of the wizard of oz theme. emerald city, dorothy. planning the maze takes about a year. there s no place like home, though. if i could click my heels right now. you say that every morning. coming up in the skinny, hollywood a-lister who is selling lingerie but, of all places, at target. a big scare on the highway. motorcyclist who defy police and frighten other drivers. important safety advice on 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intense moments from the highway. a video you re about to see intense moments from the highway. a video you re about to see looks like a face-off between patrol officers and the bikers who suddenly surround them. seems to be happening more and more as bikers continually try to one up each other. brandi hitt has the story. reporter: watch as a swarm of motorcycle riders takes over this northern california highway speeding past a minivan, popping wheelies, then look on the right. a california highway patrol officer, his siren on, tries to pull over the leader. but the riders taunt him, waving at him to go away. that officer eventually forced to pull over and call for backup. they can t expect that just because they re skilled at doing this type of riding they ll not have an incident. reporter: it s not the first time we ve seen this type of biker swarm. just this week, 100 riders taking over the streets of philadelphia. and in new york last year, nine bikers charged after chasing down an suv and beating the driver in front of his family. the highway patrol tells us if you find yourself surrounded and feel unsafe, don t engage. instead, stay at a safe speed or pull over. if you feel really threatened, you can always call 911. california police combing through this video for clues. trying to identify these reckless riders who could now face criminal charges. brandi hitt, abc news, los angeles. some of these cops have stopped going after motorcyclists because they can maneuver around easily. a little faster. sometimes it hurts innocent bystanders in the chase. that s a good way to go. you aren t going after guys that are hard core criminals. yes they might be doing something wrong but it looks soy irresponsible. a lot of people love it because it does look cool. it looks dangerous. these guys are skilled. but, geez, guys. we ve got the skinny coming your way. a song you love, somebody is actually apologizing for even making the song that made him famous. i m sorry to hear that. and halle berry s foray into the lingerie world. you don t want to miss that next on world news now. announcer: world news now continues after this from our abc stations. because it is. we may not recognize it from this. this is not what you remember him looking like when the song was a hit. you re beautiful was huge and put him on the map. it was in 2005. there was fallout from it being overplayed. let s play it one more time for giggles. you re beautiful you re beautiful you re beautiful it s true you remember the song? even the video here was a little annoying. standing in the snow disrobing. he s giving everything to this beautiful woman that he saw in a crowded space. that s why the song was huge but he is now saying it was a problem for his career because some of the even the record company pigeon holed him into this thing marketing towards women. then you re shutting out 50% of your possible fan base. it did well and the song still sticks. marketing also painted him to be an insanely serious person, although he considers himself anything but. blunt has a new album out and hopes it will spawn a single half as successful as you re beautiful. don t be ashamed, james. milk it for as long as it s worth. you re welcome at this desk any time. joan rivers. news about her. her daughter melissa will be inheriting the bulk of her estate after her recent and sudden passing. it s no big surprise she d be the benefactor. but the amount is impressive. over $100 million. joan who had been performing just days before her death had amassed quite a fortune. $75 million just in cash. that will gall to melissa as well, including her $35 million condo on new york s upper east side. also melissa s son cooper will receive his own share of joan s estate. it s, of course, no consolation for losing their mother. we talk about all this money but they d much rather have joan back. halle berry back in the news for her latest business venture. no stranger to baring some skin. it s only fitting she ll launch her own lingerie label. the 48-year-old actress reviving a french luxury line named scandal. there s a twist. it s going to be sold at target. i love that. very affordable price range of $7 to $18. after searching its history, researching it, she decided to relaunch it. scandal is expected to hit target next week. fans of the web series between two ferns got their first episode since last high-profile guest interview and that was president obama. it continued with a-listers. this time brad pitt. and bradley pitt, that s how they introduced him. lots of signature and awkward moments including the two playing chicken with their chewing gum. also a brief intermission from louie c.k. who did a stand-up set that didn t go over well. also not going over well was this question. tell me what it was like the first time you laid eyes on angelina. was it like one of those classical love stories like when i don t know, when ross first saw rachel? you know that show friends. have you seen that? i ll be there for you that is awesome. you might recall pitt used to be married to rachel from friends. jennifer aniston. and he played it off pretty well. i can t tell if the guests are just playing into it or some get uncomfortable and it gets awkward. come on. they knew it was coming. brad was having a good time. seemed like fun. you have to be a good sport to go on that show. you do. good job, brad. but this year, we ll fight back at the first sign of sick. no more feeling coughy, mucusy.just.yucky. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. is this about me? am i the yucky? 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(awkwardly laughs) get out. enough s enough! d-con baits are fomulated to kill in one feeding. guaranteed. spots and residues. wow, what a difference! all right. friday. we made it. it s been a busy week keeping track of a lot of stuff, including developments with ebola, the fight against terrorism and a familiar face we haven t seen in a while. the blessed lady who covered madonna. it s all here in our friday rewind. there s a man with a rifle shooting at a bunch of people. so we you know, i yelled at all my guys. there s a guy shooting. so everyone, get down, get down. but let there be no misunderstanding. we will not be intimidated. canada will never be intimidated. after 21 days of being on that watch list, there s zero chance that any of those young men or that louise carries the ebola virus. thousands of hours have been spent in an effort to find him. we think perhaps today proved their worth. he had actually turned towards me and that s where you could see the mud on his face, what height he was based off the truck he was standing next to. could go back as far as 20 years based on some statements we have. his level of cooperation and the things he s told us would indicate possibly other victims could surface. when you van air bag that s designed to protect you that can explode into shrapnel and kill you, this is an extreme situation. he honored women s features. he honored our bodies. he wasn t afraid to pull back and let the woman be the star of the look. i was just lucky to get to wear his designs. i fell in love with my boss in a 22-year-old sort of way. it happens. but my boss was the president of the united states. like a virgin touched for the very first time you know, there was an editorial by a conservative bishops and in it they said that nun, not even the americans of sister act would have thought of such a reckless move. reckless? that s a strong word. that is strong. i love her. did you download her song yet? not yet. i will after that comment. hope you liked our look back at the week. a whole lot more where that came from. and log on to our facebook fan page, wnnfans.com. announcer: this is abc s world news now, informing insomniacs for two decades. good morning. i m reena ninan. hello. i m olmes. good morning. i m reena ninan. hello. i m t.j. holmes. here are some of the top headlines on world news now. ebola has come to new york city. a doctor just back from treating patients in west africa is now in isolation. his manhattan apartment cordoned off. he took subways, went bowling but authorities are telling new yorkers there s no need for alarm. we have live coverage ahead. the nypd is investigating a potential terror attack on a group of officers. a man reported to be a former navy sailor wielding a hatchet wounded two officers, one of them critically before he was killed in a hail of gunfire. hazing forced a pennsylvania high school football team to cancel the season with just two games left to play. an investigation fond freshmen were forced to perform humiliating acts. the coaching staff suspended. peyton manning threw three touchdown passes as the denver broncos blew past the san diego chargers, 35-21 last night. it was denver s second decisive win in five days for a 6-1 record. those some are of our top stories on this friday, october 24th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now. let s start with the latest american to test positive for ebola. a new york city doctor in isolation as we speak. the doctor had been treating ebola patients in the west african nation of guinea mean was out and about in new york before his temperature spiked yesterday morning. lana zak joins us with the latest. reporter: good morning. this morning the disease detectives have identified four close contacts they ll be actively monitoring while the bowling alley is being completely scrubbed. they are taking no chances. here in new york, the words no one wanted to hear. today testing confirmed that a patient here in new york city had tested positive for ebola. reporter: inside bellevue hospital, 33-year-old dr. craig spencer who had been in guinea fighting ebola for doctors without borders. he returned to new york via brussels last week. early thursday, his temperature hit 103 degrees. one of the first signs of ebola. emts in protective gear rushed him to bellevue hospital which had spent recent weeks holding drills, preparing for the possibility of ebola striking america s largest city. is this a worst case scenario, ebola in new york? it s really not. new york city has one of the best health departmhe couy so d t couy so d t reporter: though many in the city are on edge, the governor wants to reassure the pu that it s here in new it s more frightening. new york is a dense place. a lot of people o but the more facts you know, the less frightening this situation is. reporter: even though we now know that spencer took several subway trips, we re being told not to panic about that. it is extremely unlikely he could have transmitted ebola to anybody else on those trains. any sort of transmission from a dry surface to a person has never been found. reena, t.j.? lana, how is new york better prepared for this than, let s say, dallas. reporter: new york being an international city was also preparing itself for this possibility. so it has been training all of its doctors, its health personnel, as well as its first responders. and they believe they have put very strong protocols in place, including eight different hospitals throughout the state that were ready to accept any abc s lana zak for us this morning. has a lot of people concerned. a lot of anxiety. like the governor said, the more you know, just get thatio there and we shall s r as dallas nurse nina pham continues to recover from ebola, her things for her are looking up for her beloved dog. a new k is spending his days in quarantine. the playful 1-year-old spaniel has been enjoying play time with vets in hazmat suits three times a day. so far he s tested negative ebola. the ebola epidemic is keeping west africans in this country. reverend amel sampeel and his family were supposed to return to liberia two months ago after a conference in virginia. then airlines began cnce flights wes flights wes onier to is o and now there sress to suspend tsto still a lot of questions about that gunman who stormed parliament this week. michael zehaf-bibeau had a troubled past. converted to islam recently. wanted to go to syria. still unknown why he shot and killed a soldier standing guard at a war memorial in canada or why he went to the parliament building. dramatic video shows that attack on the seat of the canadian government and the act of heroism that ended it from start to finish it took all of about 90 seconds. we ll get more from abc s dan harris. reporter: this is the moment the attack on parliament begins. the new video shows the suspect leaving his car and sprinting toward the parliament building. fd nninthe parliament building. leaving his car and sprinting fd nninthe parliament building. is r, dpi and this is what happens next. gunfire echoing off the ornate historic walls of parliament. the bullet holes were visible everywhere. amidst the chaos, prime minister stephen harper quickly whisked away. but in a small room nearby, this member of parliament was trapped with her 2-month-old baby. were you terrified? of course. i thought how can i make sure the baby is not yelling and crying. reporter: he was saved by this man. the parliament sergeant at arms kevin vickers who shot and killed michael zehaf-bibeau. look at this video of vickers in the moments afterwards, gun still in hand seemingly completely calm. on the floor of parliament, he received a standing ovation. and there was also a moment of silence for corporal nathan cirillo, a reservist, father and dog lover who was shot and killed while guarding the national war memorial moments before the gunman attacked parliament. and one more emotional moment to tell you about. the prime minister of canada taking to the floor of parliament and vowing that this country will never be intimidated by terrorists. he received a standing ovation. dan harris, abc news, ottawa, canada. three men aboard a helicopter are dead after it collided in midair with a private plane. the plane on a flight from cleveland was able to deploy a parachute to soften its fall into trees. the helicopter came straight don between two storage units. its passengers had no chance. the cause of the accident still under investigation. longview, washington, cleaning up the damage this morning left behind by a tornado. the twister with winds of up to 110 miles an hour carved a path of destruction 50 miles wide and a mile long. it uprooted trees and damaged homes. no injuries to report. on the east coast, a nor easter slammed much of new england. the storm dumped nearly a foot of rain while near hurricane strength winds generated waves along the coast up to 18 feet high. it left a tangled mess of trees, crushed cars. now a look at today s weather. the nor easter blowing out to sea leaving behind lingering rain showers across new england. the pacific northwest will see up to six inches of rain. and a stalled tropical storm system will bring downpours to south florida. 50s and 60s across much of the northern half of the country. dry conditions prevail across the midwest. 70s and 80s. off the course of north carolina, this is the party you want to go to. a great beach party, right? sharks. feeding frenzy of sharks converged on the cape lookout national seashore. new footage of that frenzy happened earlier this month. see all that? they were feeding on birds up against the shoreline. the man who shot the video said he wasn t frightened at all. incredible to watch. if that doesn t scare you, this next story should. might want to look away. i haven t seen this video yet. spiders. they were celebrating spiders, the arrival of fall with tarantulas. there s a festival north of fresno, california. 17th annual festival they are having out there. it kicks off this saturday. they are celebrating tarantulas. they bite, too, don t they? you know what, most of them cannot harm you. they look scary. i learned this in some survival training i got. the overwhelming majority of tarantulas can actually do no harm. it features a tarantula race, pumpkin carving and pizza eating contest if your stomach isn t too squeamish. they have festivals for everything out in california. there s a garlic festival. they got everything. coming up in insomniac theater, keanu reeves dodging bullets. and also a coming of age movie. the reviews just in. also safety on the football field. protecting athletes with better helmets. we ll show you how they hold up. there s a week for apple cider. it s apple cider week across the country. we re in for a sweet celebration here on world news now. announcer: world news now weather brought to you by nice & easy hair color. s? 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that s their claim. reporter: the verdict five stars for all three helmets tested. virginia tech finding riddell s new flex design reducing head acceleration better than any helmet they ve ever tested. we want parents to learn that getting out of the old helmets into the new better helmets will reduce your risk. reporter: virginia tech hopes it makes football a much safer sport. jim avila, abc news, blacksburg, virginia. we love our football, but my goodness, the pounding these bodies and brains take. we re learning more and more about it. scary stuff. good to see. concussions, head injuries, side effects. i get nervous when my kid gets that age about actually letting him he ll want to play football. even soccer. concussions for girls who play soccer. it s a big deal. a lot of moms and parents are going that direction. dads, too, that don t want them to go that direction. i m hoping he s going to be a bookworm. he can be a bookworm that plays basketball. or tennis. or golf. cricket. whatever.5!hp how about apples now. he can be apple pickers. coming up, apples. how awesome they are. besides being a healthy fruit, they are a truly american fruit. we have some facts about apples. even how you can catch a buzz from them. now you ve got my attention. you re watching world news now. is a top of the weekend to-do list. thousands of families venture into the orchards. today starts national cider week. it s one of my favorites and one of the many benefits of apples. there s plenty more you may not know about apples. reporter: apples. there s more to them than meets the eye. with more than 70 million tons produced worldwide, it s one of the most valuable fruits here in the u.s. and they don t just keep the doctor away. they keep that waistline down. a new study published by science direct says apples promotes a friendly gut bacteria which stabilizes the metabolism and makes you feel full. it may stimulate the right microflora in your system that actually help you to stay thin. reporter: apple connoisseur and author of apples of uncommon character jacobson says apples are coming back in a big way. kind of a second golden age of the apple. people are paying more attention to where their food is coming from and they are looking for interesting character in their food. reporter: jacobson has profiled some 123 apple heirlooms. we re seeing apples better than we ve seen in decades. introducing new johnny appleseed hard apple cider. in the 1700s your best bet for getting drunk was apples. and we re kind of rediscovering that purpose of apples. reporter: speaking of rediscovering, we re at the farm house in new york city where we re going to learn how to make apple cider. come on. let s go. it s a little hard to walk. i don t recommend coming in heels. hi. the 200-year-old farmhouse gave a glimpse into what life is like. it s hard to think about manhattan and farming. those two things don t need to go together but that would have been the way of life for quite a few people. reporter: new york was the premier producer of cider. their cider press would have been over there. miles and miles of orchards here. manhattan was occupied by the british staying in military huts like these. what we re doing here is crushing the apple. reporter: we re just in time for their annual apple pressing. i m making apple cider. that is some good apple juice. every year fall rolls around and you have your apple traditions. it s just a really nice touchstone. like the perfect little apple. helps give a rhythm to life. and a recent scientific study found that in addition to all those health benefits, apples are also an aphrodisiac. participants who consumed one or two apples a day had increased sexual satisfaction. they link the anti-oxidants to increased blood flow and you guys can put together the rest. who knew. they said it keeps the doctor away. is it only a certain time of year people think, it s apple cider time? just during the holidays? usually thanksgiving. my family is serving apple cider. cider is making a comeback, like the hard cider. people are brewing these at very high levels. everything from your dry cider, like a fine wine, to your more tart cider. something sweet. this is made from an apple called red field which is a very rare apple. these apples are coming from apples we haven t heard or seen in a long time. this isn t cheap. this is going to cost you some. i m sure your family will love you for it. besides a white or red. or beer. it s not your wine cooler 2014. so it s cute. thank you for this. you re right. we didn t when i first read the tease and they said you d learn something about apples, i was skeptical. i learned a lot about apples in this. coming up, we ll see what s hitting the theaters this weekend. stay tuned. does your carpet ever feel rough and dirty? don t avoid it. resolve it. our new formula with a special conditioning ingredient softens your carpet with every use. because it s resolve, you know it cleans and freshens, but now it also softens. so your carpet is always inviting. resolve. a carpet that welcomes you. cat, what i say goes, and i say go to bed. the weirdest part was she had an this nightgown that was practically see-through. variety says it s easy to be distracted. it s a complex take on how teens must break away from their parents. everyone appears to be frozen in time and evil lurks behind suburbia s respected facade. one that some are speculating could become a reeves plays a title character who comes out of retirement to get back at the gangsters who pretty much mess with the wrong dude. a lot of guns, casual violence and pretty much what you d expect in a movie about a hit man. hey, john. perkins? i thought i d let myself in. i noticed. he dodges bullets, does that in a lot of movies he s been in. reviews have actually been good for this. chris of entertainment weekly says it s one of the most excitingly visceral action flicks he s seen in ages. roger moore says keanu s best role in years is shockingly one that doesn t require a lot of talking. would you see either of them? i m going to go with the keanu reeves flick. you are a big keanu reeves fan? going to see a teenager in a coming of age thing is not my thing. that s the news for this half hour. follow us on facebook, wnnfans.com. facebook, wnnfans.com. this morning on world news now ebola is in new york. a doctor who treated patients in africa returns to the city and gets sick. it s here in new york. it s more frightening. the big question for public health investigators, did the doctor spread the virus? trail of terror. the gunman who stormed canada s capital in a deadly rampage. disturbing new details. he was the kind of person that people around him wouldn t feel too comfortable hanging around. his behavior before the shooting and visits to the u.s. later, parental debate. should moms and dads spank their children? it s an age-old question about punishment and why it s heated up again this week. it s friday, october 24th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now. good friday morning to you all. i m t.j. holmes. i m reena ninan. we begin with the newest ebola patient. ebola has made its way to new york city. a doctor in the city fresh from a trip to west africa where he was treating patients is now confirmed he s stricken with the virus. a federal ebola s.w.a.t. team was dispatched to manhattan. that doctor now in isolation as health officials scramble to retrace his steps. lana zak is joining us with the latest. reporter: good morning. many are concerned this young doctor went bowling, even rode on the new york public subways. the question now is, when did he become contagious? here in new york, the words no one wanted to hear. today, testing confirmed that a patient here in new york city had tested positive for ebola. reporter: inside bellevue hospital, 33-year-old dr. craig spencer who had been in guinea fighting ebola for doctors without borders. he returned to new york city via brussels last week. early thursday his temperature hit 103 degrees. one of the first signs of ebola. emts in protective gear rushed him to bellevue hospital which spent recent weeks holding drills, preparing for the possibility of ebola striking america s largest city. is this a worst case scenario, ebola in new york? it s really not. new york city has one of the best health departments in the country. so they are better prepared than i would think just about any place in the u.s. reporter: though many in the city are on edge, the governor wants to reassure the public. that it s here in new york, it s more frightening. new york is a dense place. a lot of people on top of each other, but the more facts you know, the less frightening this situation is. reporter: a team of disease detectives are now tracing all of spencer s possible contacts. and we know at least one of those contacts, his fiance, is now in quarantine in bellevue hospital. live in new york, lana zak, abc news. reena, t.j.? we know this is incredibly dense city. a lot of people in this city. a lot of concern. he was on planes, trains and automobiles. so what is the threat? what are the chances? that s the question everyone else has. what are the chances this man that was moving around so much could possibly have infected other people? the department of health identified four close contacts that they are actually actively watching. as far as the cab driver they ve been told me and his passengers are not at any risk of contracting ebola. i know the 4.3 million new yorkers who ride the subway every day are sure to be wondering whether or not they ve contracted ebola. i m told by all the experts that it s very, very unlikely that any of them have. all the experts feel like they ve really found this early and have been able to isolate him. how likely is this to spread to other cities besides new york? new york is in a unique position because it knows that it receives so many international travelers. they ve really been preparing for this sort of possibility. and they really think they ve managed to get it on time. of course, all the experts still say that it is very likely that the united states will continue to see other ebola cases but that they hopefully will be isolated and that those that those people can be isolated within these special hospitals to prevent an outbreak from occurring in the united states. thank you so much, lana zak reporting from new york. stay with abc news as we cover the latest ebola case. look for updates on abcnews.com and more live coverage on america this morning and good morning america. new video of the ottawa gunman running into parliament as bystanders raced for cover. he s already shot and killed a young canadian soldier at the war memorial and with guards firing at him he ran down a hall past rooms filled with members of parliament. one had her 2-month-old baby with her. i was terrified, of course. the first thing i thought when i was sitting is how can i make sure the baby is not yelling and crying? the attack was ended by parliament s sergeant at arms who shot and killed the intruder. seen moments after the shooting, canadian authorities say the gunman acted alone in both attacks. the gunman 32-year-old michael zehaf-bibeau was a loner, troubled and frequent run-ins with police. brian ross reports the gunman was apparently on a suicide mission. reporter: 15 years ago, michael bibeau was a chubby student at a catholic high school. he was shot dead, carrying out a one-man suicide mission. this picture, which is authentic but from an unknown source, shows he was armed with a small caliber winchester hunting rifle as he stormed parliament, apparently upset because he d not received a passport to head to syria. i think the passport figured prominently in his motives. reporter: bibeau s rise to jihad began after he left the catholic high school out of montreal in 1999. over the next ten years he was little more than one of life s losers, a petty criminal and drug user, often homeless. his conversion to islam led him to this mosque outside vancouver three years ago where he was remembered as troubled. he was the kind of person that people around him wouldn t feel too comfortable hanging around. reporter: even without a passport, he was able to cross the border into the u.s. four times. most recently last year at a time authorities say he d already become radicalized. bibeau s parents said they had not seen their son for five years until his mother had lunch with him last week. in a statement they said they are cry, not for their son but for the soldier their son killed. brian ross, abc news, new york. new york police say terrorism may have been the motive behind a grisly attack on a group of patrol officers in queens. a man wielding a hatchet attacked four police officers in the street wounding two of them. one critically before he was shot dead in a hail of gunfire by two other officers. a bystander was also shot and wounded. the attacker is identified as 32-year-old zale thompson who once served in the navy. the manhunt finally over for murder suspect led out of a maryland prison by mistake. rodriguez was captured near his home in baltimore just blocks from the murder scene. he was accidentally allowed to walk free a week ago while awaiting trial. corrections officials took two days to notice the error. they d confused his old case with the current more serious charges. another high school football season has been canceled because of hazing. school administrators say the hazing at central bucks high school near philadelphia occurred during the preseason. investigators describe the incidents as humiliating initiation rights. varsity and junior varsity coaches have also been suspended pending further investigation. the team had two games left on the schedule. the football season is ending early for a colorado high school football team. this time injuries and a lack of players are to blame. cheyenne mountain high school started with 41 varsity players but ended with just 12 healthy players. the school ended last week s game early and will forfeit the final two games of the season. we probably started with 30 less kids this year, so that i m sure contributed but never seen never been in the situation around a program or working with a program where we couldn t finish a season. the colorado springs team ends with one loss and one win, nine losses. it was shut out five times. now turning to those air bags that can explode in the front seat of your car. the japanese company that makes them sat the center of a preliminary investigation. the lawmakers want to expand that to some 30 million vehicles. the recall could become the largest in history. manufacturers could take years to replace all those air bags. investors seem to be losing patience with amazon. amazon s stock lost more than 10% of its value after the e-commerce giant announced its worst quarterly loss in 14 years. amazon has been responding loads of money on products and services and its kindle fire smartphone has been $170 million disappointment. wall street was expecting a much smaller loss. wall street did like the news that more than 100 sears and kmart stores will close and lay off thousands of workers, some before the holidays. sears disputes the report from a financial tracking service, although it didn t fully deny it. the struggling retailer will disclose details next month about how many stores will close and where. topping our health headlines, continuing our theme here of giving you news of why it s good to drink. raise your glass once again this weekend. it may help your memory. researchers found light drinking light drinking after the age of 60 okay. i missed that detail. i have to wait until 60? may help maintain cognitive health. it helps the hippocampus, the brain s memory muscle. two drinks a day for men, one for women. the kind of alcohol doesn t really matter. what was it yesterday? beer is good for you if you are trying to have a child? yes, procreate. and there you go. good for your memory as well. happening today in london, the auction of an extremely rare bottle of 100-year-old champagne. it s not just the age here that makes it so remarkable. this stuff is special because of where it was harvested. the champagne region in france back in 1914. the sweetest of summers that s yielded the sweetest of grapes. and how much is it? it s expected to fetch more than $6,000. really? maybe someone like you who lives in the fancy apartment that you talk about all the time. do you know my apartment right now is around the corner from bellevue where the ebola patient is? i kid you not. we have changed our opinion on your apartment now. coming up in the mix, combining your favorite ingredients from doughnut bacon cheeseburger to make one treat. you ll hate this actually. you ll need a workout to burn off those calories. how about a trampoline routine. the ups and downs later on world news now. announcer: world news now weather brought to you by united health care. we do? 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[ male announcer ] don t wait. call today to request your free decision guide and find the aarp medicare supplement plan to go the distance with you. go long. sometimes come out with spots? well, those spots are actually leftover food or detergent residue. can we help prevent this? yes, use finish jet dry. it goes in your dishwasher s dispenser to help eliminate spots and residues. wow, what a difference! is going to spank you! reporter: to spank or not to spank. characters dre and his wife bow disagreeing on whether or not their misbehaving son should meet the belt. if you want to spank him so bad why don t you do it yourself? because you re the spanker. reporter: even taking the question to co-workers. who thinks they were better off being spanked? reporter: while this isn t really, for many the dilemma is. the episode sparking a conversation online. one viewer tweeting, no spanking in my house. another posting, personally, i am glad i got spankings. it s actually really common for most parents to disagree on discipline practices. a lot of conflict can come up. our views on spanking is typically based on our own experiences of how we were disciplined. reporter: while spanking used to be widely accepted, today it s a whole different story. i m going to spank my son. whoa, whoa, whoa, now wait a minute. what are you, a monster? reporter: in many cases highlighting a generational divide. those who spanked in the past saying it s fine for the present. i love this because i used to beat you with it. reporter: experts say that tradition may not be the best way to teach your kids a lesson. our discipline approaches should be around giving kids practice building skills, giving them practice doing things the right way. reporter: a funny take i told you to spank him, not crush his spirit. reporter: on a serious issue. mara schiavocampo, abc news, new york. crushing his spirit. that s key. that s an important point. you know, to each his and her own. lord knows i got whoopings often growing up and, you know, is there a is there a statute of limitations? well, that explains a lot. i turned out all right. really? apparently i can have my parents arrested. in the 80s they d send us home with these buttons, the child abuse hot line. i threatened my mom a time or two i was going to call the number. did you get spankings? no. now that explains a lot. two different parenting tactics. coming up, the latest exercise craze. working out on a trampoline. is this effective or just a gimmick. either way you look at it, it looks like fun to me. it s our try-day friday. in our next half hour, some intense high-speed moments caught on tape. bikers facing off with highway police. it s happening more and more often. we take a look at an alarming trend. you re watching world news born from 1945 through 1965 have the highest rates of hepatitis c, but most don t know they re infected? people can live for decades without symptoms, but over time hepatitis c can cause serious health problems. if you were born during these years, the cdc now recommends that you get a blood test for hepatitis c. so talk to your doctor and find out if you have hepatitis c. it could save your life. know more. the latestxercis the latest exercise craze you ll always hear about the new and creative ways people are trying to stay in shape. this next one seems like more than just a trend. it s called jump life. the workouts take place on trampolines. abc s lifestyle and travel editor genevieve shaw brown shows us how it s done on this try-day friday. reporter: workout warriors looking for a high energy fast-paced routine to help them reach their fitness goal? look no further. it s time to take a leap of faith on this latest fitness craze. literally. what has these fitness fanatics jumping for joy? the fun. they say they re working out but having such a great time. people leave with smiles on their face because they feel like not only did they work out, they come out all sweaty but they also feel like a kid again. reporter: i didn t want to jump to conclusions, so i went to jump life gym in manhattan to check it out. i m thinking this will be like jane fonda goes clubbing on a backyard trampoline. and that s pretty much what i get. you can lose anywhere like up to 600 calories. depending on your height, weight, intensity you take the class to. reporter: this major workout even safe for people who have been injured. it s low impact. a lot of people who have existing injuries like knee problems, back problems, find it a very, very comfortable way of working out and getting their fitness in. reporter: and it turns out people all over the world are jumping on this workout craze. berlin and frankfurt and hamburg, everywhere it s starting now. great energy. great vibes. great music and it s just a fun workout. genevieve shaw brown, abc news, new york. what are you grumbling about? 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[ male announcer ] don t wait. call today to request your free decision guide and find the aarp medicare supplement plan to go the distance with you. go long. now it s time for the mix. i love it when women or men overcome such adversity that people never expect them to. meet 25-year-old amanda perla. a huge mets fan and wanted to be a cover model for this calendar that is all about mets fans. and, boy, did she do it. she was wheelchair bound after a serious accident seven years ago that broke her neck. a driver fell asleep. her mother said you should go for it. and she made it to the top 31. then it went to the voters and she got the top votes bringing in 4,000 of them. she chose march. march is her birthday. she is in the calendar for the mets fans. mets fan, huh? the seven line calendar is what it s called out there. mets fan. poor thing, though. she looks beautiful. she does look great. i haven t lived in new york long but at least i know that much. quickly, i know you don t like this story but i put this picture up. combine two things bad for you. doughnuts and cheeseburgers. have a doughnut burger. this is out of philadelphia. they have a lot of different varieties of burgers. i m trying to get the caloric intake on that one. whatever it is, i will take it. bring the tums. politics and foreign wars all the weather all the scores that s the world news polka tapes that roll in way too slow stuff you saw on koppel s show it s late at night you re wide awake and you re not wearing pants so grab your world news now mug and everybody dance have some fun be a pal every anchor guy and gal do the world news polka everybody. that s the world news polka insomniacs only. that s the world news polka who cares what the bosses think they re a goofy crew if your neighbors call the cops here s all you have to do when they yell it s half past three tell them it s news to me that s the world news polka they make us work the graveyard shift that s why we go for broke why not tune in abc and join our little joke five whole days every week we re here with tongue in cheek and the world news polka not lip-synced it s the world news da, da, da, da polka this morning on world news now ebola infection. a new yorktor wh this morning on world news now ebola infection. a new york doctor who treated patients in africa gets sick. the big questions this morning about his condition and if the virus was spread in the city. extreme weather from a rare tornado in the pacific northwest to powerful winds and downpours in the northeast. it s mother nature s october fury. fearless bikers. defiance on the highway after cops try to stop cyclists on a wild ride. what to do if you get swarmed by motorcycles in your car. you re beautiful you re beautiful it s true sorry song. james blunt and his hit single. he s apologizing saying the song is anything but beautiful. that s in the skinny on this friday, october 24th. announcer: from abc news, this is world news now. tell them what i really like that song. you really like that? still to this day? yeah, i think it is a nice song. he s even saying it s not a good song. well, maybe he ll change his mind after we again? discuss it later. hello. i m t.j. holmes alongside reena ninan. the big story, this just broke just a few hours ago here in new york. now it has a lot of folks concerned. we re going to kick off this half hour. the latest on the ebola case. the doctor in new york city testing positive for the deadly virus after returning from west africa. a 33-year-old doctor treating ebola patients in guinea. one of the countries devastated by the disease. he is now in isolation at a manhattan hospital. his girlfriend quarantined. the doctor rode the subway, took a car service here in new york just the night before he fell ill. abc s linsey davis has more on how this all unfolded. reporter: inside this ambulance rushing to bellevue hospital, 33-year-old craig spencer. a doctors without borders physician suffering from a fever and gastrointestinal symptoms. a confirmed case of ebola right in the heart of new york city. i know it s a frightening situation, but the more facts you know, the less frightening this situation is. reporter: dr. spencer had been in guinea, one of three hot zone countries. last thursday he flew home connecting through brussels before arriving at jfk airport. he d been monitoring his temperature and reported his fever. police officers in masks, neighbors anxious. a local councilman trying to calm fears. frankly, people in the neighborhood are scared, and some of them are panicked. i had one gentleman who wouldn t even shake my hand because he was scared. reporter: the health department says a team of disease detectives immediately began to actively trace all of the patient s contacts to identify anyone who may be at potential risk. the patient is now in isolation. the health department has a team of disease detectives who have been at work tracing all of the patient s contacts, and we are prepared to quarantine contacts as necessary. reporter: in recent days, bellevue hospital has been holding drills in case a possible ebola patient comes through their door. those plans going into motion. it took only a few hours to determine that spencer did, indeed, test positive for ebola. linsey davis, abc news, new york. this is what we know about dr. spencer s past few days. he left guinea october 14th, stopped in brussels before arriving in new york on the 17th. he sticks to guidelines checking his temperature twice a day. this past tuesday he feels tired. wednesday, spencer takes the subway to brooklyn to a bowling alley and hops in a cab back home. he notifies authorities yesterday morning when he comes down with a 103 fever and also has diarrhea. at some point he also went for a three-mile jog, but health officials say there s no reason for alarm. you should stay with us here at abc news as we cover the latest ebola infection. look for more live updates in our next half hour and on america this morning. we know more about the man who stormed canada s parliament building. he was a loner who had drug problems, criminal record and converted to islam. abc s karen travers reports authorities still want to know much more about him. reporter: this dramatic video shows bystanders scrambling as michael zehaf-bibeau races toward canada s parliament with a small caliber hunting rifle. this picture authentic but from an unknown source shows him up close with that weapon. police say zehaf-bibeau came to ottawa earlier this month to get a passport. his mother telling authorities her son wants to travel to syria. this rampage may have been a result of him not getting that travel document. i think the passport figured prominently in his motives and his i m not inside his head, but i think it was central to what was driving him. reporter: canadian authorities said they have 93 citizens under investigation or surveillance as possible terrorists. zehaf-bibeau may have had extremist views, but he was not on that watch list. had we have known that he wanted to travel to syria, then he certainly would have been. reporter: abc news learned zehaf-bibeau crossed into the u.s. on four separate occasions. canadian and u.s. officials are trying to retrace his steps to figure out where he went and who he may have met with. concerns are growing in canada and in the u.s. about homegrown terrorists who may be trying to join isis in syria or iraq. canadian officials say they still have a lot to learn about how and why michael zehaf-bibeau turned to radicalism. t.j., reena? karen, thank you. three people are dead after a midair collision in maryland between a helicopter and private plane. all three fatalities were aboard the helicopter which was on a training flight. the two men on the plane were injured but have already been released from the hospital. they were able to deploy a parachute which lessened the plane s impact on the ground. the helicopter hit a storage facility as it came down. a powerful storm system moving through washington state yesterday spawned a tornado. the funnel cloud was caught on video in longview, washington. meteorologists measured it at an ef-1. winds up to 110 miles an hour. it carved a path of destruction 50 miles wide and a mile long. luckily caused no reported injuries. on the east coast, a powerful nor easter slammed much of new england leaving its own path of destruction. abc s rob marciano was in the heart of the storm zone just outside boston and has the latest. reporter: with howling winds near hurricane strength and nearly a half a foot of rain, the northeast is getting lashed by a nor easter. conditions in peabody, massachusetts, so severe schools canceled. drivers there in high water. this man had to be carried out to safety by firefighters. along the coast, boats run aground, crashing waves up to 18 feet high. dangerously close to homes. across the northeast, a tangled mess of downed trees, crushed cars and debris. thick trunk trees snapped clean in half. in connecticut, downed power lines sparking this gas fire. we periodically go and monitor it to make sure the heat from the fire isn t affecting the home or spreading to it. reporter: luckily, no injuries. in rhode island, wind and rain so severe, drivers abandoned their cars. this won t be the strongest storm new englanders see this winter, but certainly a large one and slow mover. it s done its damage as far as beach erosion already. it will move out through the day on friday but not before taking some of this coastline with it. rob marciano, abc news, massachusetts. wow. that was an interesting tag there. rob is the best out in the field. worked with him for a long time. he s fantastic out there. good to see him out there. hope he s in a warmer area right now. now here s a look at today s weather. the nor easter is blowing out to sea lingering behind showers across new england. heavy rain in the pacific northwest and up to six inches. cool across much of the northern half of the country. 50s and 60s. but dry conditions in the midwest. 70s and 80s. 96 degrees for phoenix. a lava flow on the move threatening thousands of residents on the big island of hawaii. it s advanced more than five football fields in the past 36 hours. the flow is less than a mile away from the town of pahoa. authorities say it s only a matter of time before residents there are forced to evacuate. they hope to give them at least three days notice. we see these pretty pictures, but that s scary stuff out there. it devoured 130 acres of terrain by thursday afternoon. unstoppable, huh? what do you do? you just have to get out of the way. probably just a matter of time. hopefully everybody will be all right. our friends out in hawaii. some of the big island residents are used to it. it s been erupting it began in 1983. i guess this is something they know comes with paradise. comes with paradise, right? we ve got a sight out of idaho coming up. a captivating sight here. as seen from high above, it s a bird s-eye view of the corn maze at the farmstead in meridian. this year it s carved out of the wizard of oz theme. all right. okay. i see it now. emerald city, dorothy. lots of detail. planning the maze takes about a year. i would imagine so. there s no place like home, though. if i could click my heels right now. you say that every morning. coming up in the skinny, hollywood a-lister who is selling lingerie but, of all places, at target. first, a big scare on the highway. motorcyclist who defy police and frighten other drivers. important safety advice on the road. you re watching world news now. announcer: world news now announcer: world news now weather brought to you by metamucil multi-health. there are two reasons why i need to keep an eye on my health. ugh! we won! that s why i take metabiotic, a daily probiotic. with 70% of your immune system in your gut, new multi-health metabiotic with bio-active 12 helps maintain digestive balance and is proven to help support a healthy immune system i take care of myself, so i can take care of them. experience the meta effect with our new multi-health wellness line and see how one small change can lead to good things. does your carpet ever feel rough and dirty? 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even the video here was a little annoying. standing in the snow disrobing. he s giving everything to this beautiful woman that he saw in a crowded space. that s why the song was huge, but he is now saying it was a problem for his career because some of the even the record company pigeon holed him into this thing marketing towards women. then you re shutting out 50% of your possible fan base. it did well and the song still sticks. he also points out that marketing also painted him to be an insanely serious person, although he considers himself anything but. blunt has a new album out and hopes it will spawn a single half as successful as you re beautiful. don t be ashamed, james. milk is as long as you can. a lot of people have a lot of apologizing to do for a lot of songs if this is the direction we re going to go. joan rivers. news about her. her daughter melissa will be inheriting the bulk of her estate after her recent and sudden passing. as melissa is joan s only child, it s no big surprise she d be the benefactor. but the amount is impressive. over $100 million. joan who had been performing just days before her death had amassed quite a fortune. $75 million just in cash. that will all go to melissa as well, including her $35 million condo on new york s upper east side. an insider divulged this information also saying that melissa s son cooper will receive his own share of joan s estate. it s, of course, no consolation for losing their mother. we talk about all this money, but they d much rather have joan back. halle berry back in the news for her latest business venture. no stranger to baring some skin. it s only fitting she ll launch her own lingerie label. the 48-year-old actress reviving a french luxury line named scandal. there s a twist. it s going to be sold at target. i love that. for the very affordable price range of $7 to $18. berry discovered the label while shopping in paris. after searching its history, researching it, she decided to relaunch it. scandal is expected to hit target next week. it s target and scandal. fans of the web series between two ferns got their first new episode since last high-profile guest interview and that was president obama. it continued with a-listers. this time brad pitt. and introduced as bradley pitt that s how they introduced him. the satire was heavy with lots of signature and awkward moments including the two playing chicken with their chewing gum. also a brief intermission from louie c.k. who did a stand-up set that didn t go over well. also not going over well was this question. tell me what it was like the first time you laid eyes on angelina. was it like one of those classical love stories like when i don t know, when ross first saw rachel? you know that show friends. have you seen that? i ll be there for you that is awesome. you might recall pitt used to be married to rachel from friends. jennifer aniston. and he played it off pretty well. i can t tell if the guests are just playing into it or some get uncomfortable and it gets awkward. come on. they knew it was coming. brad was having a good time. seemed like fun. you have to be a good sport to go on that show. you do. good job, brad. but this year, we ll fight back at the first sign of sick. no more feeling coughy, mucusy.just.yucky. whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. is this about me? am i the yucky? 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(awkwardly laughs) get out. enough s enough! d-con baits are fomulated to kill in one feeding. guaranteed. spots and residues. wow, what a difference! all right. friday. we made it. it s been a busy week keeping track of a lot of stuff, including developments with ebola, the fight against terrorism and a familiar face we haven t seen in a while. and don t forget the blessed lady who covered madonna. it s all here in our friday rewind. there s a man with a rifle shooting at a bunch of people. so we you know, i yelled at all my guys, there s a guy shooting. so everyone, get down, get down. but let there be no misunderstanding. we will not be intimidated. canada will never be intimidated. after 21 days of being on that watch list, there s zero chance that any of those young men or that louise carries the ebola virus. thousands of hours have been spent in an effort to find him. we think perhaps today proved their worth. he had actually turned towards me, and that s where you could see the mud on his face, you could tell what height he was standing next to. could go back as far as 20 years based on some statements we have. his level of cooperation and the things he s told us would indicate possibly other victims could surface. when you have an air bag that s designed to protect you that can explode into shrapnel and kill you, this is an extreme situation. he honored women s features. he honored our bodies. he wasn t afraid to pull back and let the woman be the star of the look. i was just lucky to get to wear his designs. i fell in love with my boss in a 22-year-old sort of way. it happens. but my boss was the president of the united states. like a virgin touched for the very first time you know, there was an editorial by conservative bishops and in it they said that nun, not even the americans of sister act would have thought of such a reckless move. reckless? reckless? that s a strong word. that is strong. i love her. did you download her song yet? not yet. you should do that. i will after that comment. hope you liked our look back at the week. a whole lot more where that came from. and log on to our facebook fan page, wnnfans.com. announcer: this is abc s world news now, informing insomniacs for two decades.
this is not an ordinary time and this is not an ordinary election. we are going to be choosing a president who will set policy for not just four or eight years, but some of the important decisions we have to make at home and around the world to energy and so much else. so there is a lot at stake. it s one of the most consequential elections we had. that s why i tried to put forth specific policies and plans. try to get it off of the personal and put it on to what it is on i want to do as president. that s why i hope people will check on that for themselves. so they can see that yes, i spent 30 years, actually a little more, working to help kids and families and i want to take that experience to the white house and do that every single day. mr. trump? well, i consider her statement about my children to be a very nice compliment. i don t know if it was meant to be a compliment, but i m proud of my children. they have done a wonderful job and they have been wonderful kids. i consider that a compliment. i will say that about hillary. because of that tape. he spoke for 40 minutes and 10 seconds and hillary clinton spoke for 39 minutes and five seconds. almost exactly the same amount of time. you didn t hear a robust emotional apology. from donald trump, did you? the inbox from republicans, that s one of the things they are worried about. that s powerful for hillary clinton to use him saying such vulgar things about women and he didn t say anything aggressively to apologize. he didn t do that behavior and he was pressed by anderson cooper and he said and talks in the tape about assaulting women. he said he didn t do those and he apologized. nowhere near as aggressive as many republicans wanted. he went into the personal attacks of bringing bill clinton into it. i think it will be based on where do you stand from a partisan perspective. what donald trump is doing is getting more engaged and counter punching. throwing mike pence under the bus at a time when mike pence is standing by him is an interesting dynamic and he did say that yes, he took that giant deduction so he wouldn t pay federal income taxes. you can bet that s coming to a tv ad without a doubt. that is true. back to you. let s check in with the panel of experts. i said it was a wash, but feel free to disagree. at the beginning donald trump did the opposite of what i thought he should have done. he said he was embarrassed by this. the videotape. he said it was locker room talk. he did not apologize to the women involved and he kept saying it s words and it wasn t anything more than that. period. end of sentence. so there was nothing more than anything he already said. he had already had the press conference about bill clinton. we knew that story and when asked are you different than at the young age of 59, he said i m not proud of it and i have great respect for people, my family. hillary got him on that because she said you needed to apologize. for the rest of the debate. i think donald trump when he got over that was more disciplined, attacking hillary on the e-mail issue where she is vulnerable. i think in a sense he may have done enough. she seemed a little stilted at times and i think he may have done enough to stop the bleeding and i m not sure minds were changed. so much has occurred over the last 48 hours and the last week that people have to digest all of this including the debate tonight to see where they stand. i want to echo one thing that dana said was the mike pence remark. he is praising a dictator who was trying to interfere with our election, period. whom his running mate said we should stand up to and putin is propping up. that struck a note. here disagrees with him. i m sure you watched the debate as we all did. we commented on the issues. we are not the same policy. give it a broader look. much better counter puncher. i think he did poorly on that he was much more animated and much better counterpuncher i think that he did poorly on that question and he did poorly on the strange syria discussion where he got off on a rant there. which i think will leave a lot of questions and led to the mike pence question. the truth is hillary clinton has her struggles with the same issues she always struggles with, e-mails, speeches. i thought his counterpunch on the lincoln comment was good. at the end of the day, i come to the same conclusion. i think she probably wins at some point and i don t think it changes much. just to set the stage, this has been one of the most disastrous periods for a presidential nominee in the history of the united states. from the first debate and before this debate. did he change that at all? i think he stopped the panic among most of the republicans there who were panicking. at least for now. i thought it was basically a draw which is basically a good thing for donald trump thinking that hillary clinton was going knock him out of this debate and have such a strong performance that there would be no question of where this race stood. i don t think she had that great of a performance. he was odd pacing around and standing over here in some of those shots. i think there ll be a lot of material stylistically, for snl, she counterpunched well on the you ve been there for 30 years what have you been doing and listed all of the things she had done. children s health care, expa expanding health care. veterans and secretary of state and 400 pieces of legislation. that was a good moment for her. she dropped one of the hillary clinton new information things and the alicia machado things. with she talked about trump gobbling up illegal steel from china. to build his buildings. i bet we ll hear more about that. i believe thaefs a news week story about how two out of three buildings that are using the steel that hurts american workers. what d you think? i think the night belonged to donald trump. we re not talking about the trump tape. he was able to pivot away and barely controlled at some point. it was a greatest hits real for the 14 million who voted for him. no hand shake at the out set. bill s infidelities and the e-mail erasure and islam and dishonesty and the media, you will hear a lot about how they reported the role of the moderators in this. i think those who voted for him got everything they wanted in their vote. did he grow? i can t see if there was any outreach. i looked carefully where i thought he could have expanded the base that he already has. not a knockout, but his night on points. where could he have expanded the base? obviously there was a muslim american woman who spoke. there was an african american who wanted the country african american gentleman, james carter who wanted the country to be united would he be devoted to bring us together? where were the opportunities that he didn t take? he could have been more expansive on health care reform and rather than repeal and replace it with what and how and whom it would benefit. he could talk more about the reform he wants in the tax code aside from getting rid of interests for wealthy people. where he always falls down is that he goes on the attack without when a direct question is asked. what would you do about x, y or z, he deflects and goes on the attack that hillary has been here for 30 years and didn t do anything. the way you bring people into the tent is to tell them exactly what you would do for them. like taxes and health care, i still do not think that we got much beyond obamacare is a disaster and why didn t she fix the tax code? and by the way, i think we might have heard him admit, i m not sure about this, that he did use on the $918 million debt, that he actually used that not to pay taxes. he did say. he didn t say how long but he did say he use it. i think the trump teams thinks they are reaching out to suburban, white women and college-educated women when they talk about african-americans and hispanics, he hurts his case because of his record and the way he talks about african-americans and the way that he tends to say the african-americans and not just african-americans, which is a way of referring to folks in deeply odd. i think they are doing that but i don t think there s any success in growing that tent. the real question is, they fear he doesn t have the right temperament or command, were they assured tonight or think of him differently as a result of this performance? i agree with michael, he was speaking to the base and i think the base is probably very happy. the base is just not big enough to win the election. the demographics of the country are such i m sorry to hit this point again, george herbert walker bush and mitt romney got the same percentage of the white vote. 59%, what earned bush 136 electoral votes got mitt romney only 56. and there is the changing demographic of the country and that s why the missed opportunity was with the muslim woman and the african american man at the end. that was magnanimous. where he s doing poorly, he needs to improve significantly, has to do with college educated white voters. he s even with college educated white men. health care and their families. there was a poll out today in your home state and your home state that had him leading among college educated voters, white voters by 20 points. this is a cohert that romney carried by 14% in 2012. that s a stunning tolerance, right? they think he s a bigot. right. that s why you hear hillary clinton, all of her ads, are about donald trump and what he said and those words, whether it s about women, whether it s about the birther controversy, those things turn off college-educated white voters. he can t undo that because he spent so much time branding himself in that way as this kind of unreconstructed alpha male and the tape only underscores that. let me say one thing about the tape. we re all talking about the debate and that s going to be our focus until 1:00 in the morning. tomorrow morning we wake up in a world where the debate is over. we re not talking about it. we re talking about something else. i can t help but think the clinton campaign is going to make sure that that tape is everywhere from now until the election. it s about the image of the women from this point forward. four women and donald trump and that story s going to get told. college educated white women that we ve been talking about. can i just make one other point in which is it s very clear they don t like each other very much. it was kind of an irritating debate in that sense because they were firing these jibes back and forth. and what was missing from it was any invocation of people, humanity. we re in a town hall meeting. the only person that was raised i think hillary clinton raised an individual and just as in the last debate she raised an individual to weap weaponize that story against donald trump but the day-to-day struggle. health care, nobody mentioned anybody who was actually struggling with health care. i was surprised by that. let s go back to the tape. i want to play donald trump s response when the subject of this access hollywood tape, him talking very crudely about women, seeming to boast about grabbing women, assaulting women inappropriately. here was his response. you called what you said locker room banter. you described kissing women without their consent, grabbing their genitals. that is sexual assault. you bragged you sexually assaulted women. do you understand that? no, i didn t say that at all. i don t think you understood what was said. this was locker room talk. i m not proud of it. i apologized to my family. i apologize to the american people. certainly i m not proud of it. but this is locker room talk. you know, when we have a world where you have isis chopping off heads, where you have and frankly drowning people in steel cages, where you have wars and horrible, horrible sights all over, where you have so many bad things happening, this is like medieval times. we haven t seen anything like this, the carnage all over the world, and they look and they see. can you imagine the people that are frankly doing so well against us with isis and they look at our country and they see what s going on. yes, i m very embarrassed by it. i hate it. but it s locker room talk and it s one of those things. i will knock the hell out of isis. we re going to defeat isis. isis happened a number of years ago in a vacuum that was left so because of bad judgment. and i will tell you, i will take care of isis. so the basic response there, van, it was locker room talk but nothing compared to the horrors of isis and i m going to stop isis. i just thought that was just horrible. he rather than apologizing he minimized. and that was something that everybody here agreed he should avoid doing. and basically, if the only thing you have to say about yourself is i m not as bad as isis, i mean, that s your defense, there s something wrong with that kind of response. [ cheers and applause ] the other thing is that you cannot underestimate the history that was made in our country. a line was crossed that i don t know has been crossed in my lifetime, maybe ever. he threatened to jail his opponent. right. he threatened to jail hillary clinton if he became president of the united states. that is something i think is a new low in american democracy. but i will say something maybe provocative. i think hillary won because donald trump kind of won. in other words, the worst possible outcome for hillary clinton could have been if she knocked him out. if she had knocked him out and forced him out of the race, you could have been in a situation where the republican party could rally, get somebody else in there. it was actually a good outcome for her. she did well enough. he did well enough. he stabilized himself. and he s going to bleed out. and she s going to be able to get across the finish line. i m not sure we watched the same debate because read the transcript. donald trump issued three more apologies. he s now up to issuing five. that s enough for most of the american people. i m still waiting on the media to call on the apology for hillary clinton lying to the families of benghazi members when she told them their families were dead because of a video. i m still waiting for a call for that apology. but i think something very big happened tonight that is lost upon most of us. what we saw tonight was someone speak for the people against the washington elite. there are people in this country, 2/3 of the country thinks we re in the wrong direction. they re tired of being promised hope and change, which is what president obama promised millennialed, promised the american people and it did not materialize. and you saw donald trump flawlessly expose the double standards of justice when he said when he said if someone, an american citizen had done 1/5 of what you had done with your e-mails their lives would have been destroyed. and there was an audible boo from the audience because people know hillary clinton lied when she retorted with the fact that i didn t do anything wrong with my e-mails. the audience booed because there are two standards. the washington elite get one and we the american people get another. i think that was explosive. i think the audience had trump supporters and clinton supporters and we heard both sides. but let me go into let me play some of what you re talking about and specifically, van jones, it s the moment you that referred to where he said that were he in charge of the laws she would be in jail. i didn t think i d say this but i m going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win, i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we re going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails and you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them. or bleach them as you say. a very expensive process. so we re going to get a special prosecutor and we re going to look into it. because you know what? people have been their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you ve done. and it s a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. secretary clinton everything he just said is absolutely false but i m not surpris surprised. i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i d never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we re going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump. you can fact-check him in real-time. it s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. because you d be in jail. secretary clinton [ cheers ] so jeffrey, i heard you laughing. obviously that is a crowd pleaser for trump supporters. there s no question about that. he already has trump supporters. they already support him. is that the kind of line that exemplifies the kind of temperament that those who are undecided want to hear from him? yes. and i ll tell you why. this is about as kayleigh was saying, this is about the american people versus the political class in this country. media elites, politicians, et cetera, who as he said repeatedly there, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk and they never get anything done and they lie and they dissemble. and she would in fact, if she were not hillary clinton, she would be in huge trouble with these e-mails. and she would conceivably be going to jail. i mean, other people have gone to jail for these kind of problems. so what he s doing there is hitting the broad themes, one, the division between the american people and the political class. two, her character. if you remember that famous quinnipiac poll from last year where they asked people to free-associate one-word descriptions of the candidates and for her it was dishonest and liar. you know that s kind of a bogus poll where they i mean, i think the biggest ones for trump were unflattering as well. but i take your point on the fact that she has very, very low trustworthy and honesty numbers so he was hitting this. okay, paul. the strategic context in which this debate occurs is the trump campaign in meltdown. a meltdown especially with women because of this really horrific tape where he brags about committing sexual assault. i don t think he put it to bed. you keep hearing stories that there s more tapes to come. the guy did 10 or 14 years on television and people keep saying we re going to go through these tapes. maybe they will. maybe they won t. but he certainly did nothing to put it behind him or even to inoculate against the stories to come. now, tonight s audience, i bet you a nickel, would be much more female than male. first off more voters are female than male. but tonight we re up against qupt sunday night football. packers by the way 17-9 over the giants leading right now fourth quarter. the performance he put on, first being so bizarre about this sexual assault. in one of the answers he mentioned isis, immigration, and the economy. in one of the follow-ups he rambled on about michelle obama, sidney blumenthal, debbie wasserman schultz, bernie sanders, e-mails. that doesn t assuage any women voters. and then the style throughout the debate i kept hearing from a lot of women, they didn t like that the pacing, the stalking. yeah. the really kind of creepy behavior when he wasn t speaking. toward hillary. last time it was he got in trouble for interrupting. he did a fair amount of that again. he seemed to actually pick a lot of unwise fights with martha raddatz also. less so with anderson. this is not if i m as a super pac guy, i work for the super pac that s opposing trump and is supporting hillary. i m happy about this. if i were a trump strategist i d say boss, we ve got a problem with women and you just made it worse. we re going to keep it there. everyone stay. we ve still got two hours. wolf, let me throw it back to you. anderson anderson. jake, thanks very much. we ve got an excellent moment right now to discuss something i d never heard in any of these debates before between two presidential candidates. and dana, let s talk a little about this. one candidate says not only is he going to put forward a special prosecutor to investigate his rival but, and this is very significant, he s going to put her in jail if he s elected president of the united states. that s pretty extraordinary. okay. not to sound too corny, but what makes this country different from countries with dictators in africa or stalin or hitler or any of those countries with dictators and totalitarian leaders is that when they took over they put their opponents in jail. to hear one presidential candidate say, even if it was a flip comment, which it was, you re going to be in jail to another presidential candidate on the debate stage in the united states of america, stunning. just stunning. certainly is. john king. most of his strategy on these issues was clearly designed, a, listening to his alt-right advisers. this was a breitbart strategy from the predebate and the debate. if he s bleeding across the electorate, if his goal priority one is to stop the bleeding on the right, then it may have succeeded in that. if you look at state by state, if you look at the battleground states, if you look at the demographic breakdowns in the states he is losing now heading into the last 30 days. remember, the timing of this is critical. in the last 30 days there are some people already voting. more people will start voting this week. even more will start voting after that. many in the most important battleground states. 30% of the american people last tight voted early. that will probably be a little higher this time. so the election is not on november 8th. it is now for many people in the states that matter. and if donald trump needed to shore up his conservative base, his team is very happy. he was much modern gauged than he was tonight. he was much more aggressive. he did more counterpunching. he got to some of the issues that he believes are her weaknesses but to dana s point there is that going to win you the vote of a moderate woman in the philadelphia sbushds? i think not. is it going to get you raves on zruj and breitbart and the conservative media and the other network, we all know who i m talking about, most likely. but at least he ll stop the bleeding among his own base. yes. i think that is a fair assessment that you can see in the mood and even the republicans who don t like trump. they think this is the worst possible outcome because they thought if he tanked tonight there would be pressure to get him out of the race. exactly. and now they re saying he did well enough to stay in. they don t think he can win and they think he hurts other senate and house candidates. but they think he did well enough to sustain himself without a doubt and i know that s what they think inside team trump. without a doubt they think they had a strong night. we re just hearing that eric holder apparently just said that trump s threat was like nixonian. not so much the jail threat but the threat that if he becomes president he s going to instruct his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor. it s first of all, i believe it s kind of a misunderstanding of what is even allowed and the way that the process works. but even so, putting that aside, just the threat is something that is going to this is something that s going to have ripple effects in the days to come. i also think another giant question tonight, again, people view these things through their partisan prism but we know that hillary clinton has barack obama, michelle obama, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, joe biden, bill clinton. donald trump has mike pence. there are no other senior republicans out there. and he threw mike pence under the bus tonight. he threw his running mate under the bus tonight, who has stood by him mike pence did not defend donald trump on the specifics in the vice presidential debate. i was told that got under donald trump s skin a little bit. mike pence did stand by him this weekend. mike pence, a christian conservative whose wife i m told was horrified when she heard that tape and who talked to her husband about it, mike pence did stand by donald trump even though he did say the language is offensive. dysfunction in the campaign in the last 30 days is dangerous. he just did put out a tweet mike, pence that s what i was looking for. going ahead and endorsing congrats to my running mate @realdonaldtrump on a big debate win. proud to stand with you as we make #make america great again. brianna keilar you ve got a special guest in the spin room. i have hillary clinton s campaign chair john podesta. and i want to get your reaction to something first. donald trump called hillary clinton the devil but he also made a threat that if he were in charge of the laws of the country that he would jail her, he would imprison her. what is the campaign s reaction? well, it s one more over-the-top statement by donald trump. and fortunately, he s not in charge of the laws of the united states and never will be. but i think that maybe he was trying to appeal to his base. what we ve seen over the last few weeks and particularly over the last few days are republicans peeling off him in droves. so maybe all he s got left is his base. so to call her the devil is i think beneath a presidential candidate. it s one more reason yes he doesn t have the temperament to do the job of being president or being the commander in chief. the optics from the beginning of the debate were that we sea chelsea clinton not there to shake the hands of melania trump and her kids as we saw during the first debate. and then hillary clinton did not shake hands with donald trump at the beginning of the debate. that s a very clear signal she was trying to send. well, look, i think he came in here sort of pulling this stunt that he did at the beginning of this and was on the attack from the beginning. again, i think maybe he was just trying to stabilize his own base of voters even as that s shrinking. but i think that given what we saw, what we saw on the videotape, what we re seeing now in the howard stern tapes, his she s trying to signal something. she s trying to signal that she that his behavior is doesn t really deserve the respect of a handshake at the beginning. she did shake his hand at the end. but i think that, you know, he came in tonight and even walked back whatever bit of an apology he gave for the access hollywood tape that every american now has probably seen over and over again. i know that one of the strategies coming into this was thinking that after that tape came out there were people who were newly open to hillary clinton. but the assessment seems to be that she really just rallied the base and whether or not she has really expanded it seems that she and donald trump just rallied their base. what do you say to that? i think she came in trying to answer the specific questions. this was supposed to be i think in my mind a town hall where voters got to ask specific questions. the moderators asked a lot of the questions tonight. but the voters did get to ask questions. and i think she wanted to talk about the specific ideas, the specific plans, what she s been able to do in a bipartisan way when she was first lady, when she was senator, the children s health insurance program, the other program she talked about. but most importantly what she wanted to do to build an economy that was going to work for everyone, not just those at the top. so if n. doing that i think what she wanted to try to accomplish was to say i want to be a president for everyone and i want to have you listen to me with a positive message, an optimistic view of what america can be. in contrast i think he was dark and divisive again. john podesta with the clinton campaign. thank you so much. back to you guys. all right. thanks very much, brianna keilar. let s play a clip. this is donald trump speaking about the former president of the united states, bill clinton. i told you, that was locker room talk. i m not proud of it. i am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country. and certainly i m not proud of it. but that was something that happened if you look at bill clinton, far worse. mine are words and his was action. his was what he s done to women. there s never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that s been so abusive to women. so you can say any way you want to say it, but bill clinton was abusive to women. hillary clinton attacked those same women. and attacked them viciously. four of them are here tonight. one of the women, who is a wonderful woman, at 12 years old was raped at 12. her client, she represented, got him off. and she s seen laughing on two separate occasions, laughing at the girl who was raped. kathy shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight. so don t tell me about words. absolutely i apologize for those words. but it is things that people say. but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women, paula jones, who s also here tonight. and i will tell you that when hillary brings up a point like that and she talks about words that i said 11 years ago i think it s disgraceful and i think she should be ashamed of herself if you want to know the truth. he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. he gets it decide what he wants to talk about. instead of answering people s questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have that we think can make a better life and a better country, that s his choice. when i hear something like that, i am reminded of what my friend michelle obama advised us all. when they go low, you go high. [ cheers and applause ] she got some applause for that line but i didn t hear a robust vote of confidence, a defense of her husband in that response, because he really went after bill clinton. hillary clinton didn t mention bill clinton s behavior or actions at all. she didn t defend her actions at all. she just went after more or less donald trump essentially saying you re trying to go back and we re talking about you here. a couple of points on that. donald trump clearly tried to gin up support on the r50i9d right with his base. if you talk to conservatives, especially the all the rooilt conservative media they think these issues have been ignored or forgotten. you and i covered the white house at the time. the paula jones case, kathleen willey case, monica lewinsky impeachment that dominated our lives. i had color in my hair when that started. that was several years of our lives. they think we should still be talking about this later. and trump was trying to connect hillary clinton to that. will that be a winning strategy in the general election? we ll see how it plays out. but clearly donald trump came here tonight saying when i m asked about me i m going to deflect to bill clinton. i do think it helped him rally conservatives. i also know from e-mail conversations with clinton campaign people anderson cooper said this is sexual assault. and what donald trump he said he didn t do it. he said he was just talking about it. he did say tonight which he did not say in that weekend night video-e didn t address whether or not it actually happened. he just said he was sorry. donald trump did say he never did those things. so he was bragging about sexually assaulting women. and he said no, it s locker room talk. the clinton people that s going to be in an ad probably by the time we get to the end of this week. with anderson cooper asking a direct question and donald trump saying it s locker room talk. it s not locker room talk. it is not locker room talk to whether you re fantasizing about it speculating about it or talking about it of groping people, sexually assaulting people. that s a crime. but i will just say, and probably getting similar notes from republicans, i just got one from a top republican who s very skittish about donald trump saying that he did okay acknowledging the bar this is among republicans. that the bar is pretty low right now for him to kind of bring some of them back into the fold but that in the words of this republican he moved the conversation beyond the caught on tape hot mike situation. on the flip side of that i ve been hearing from some democrats who think that hillary clinton did well but wondering why didn t she put it away, wondering what could she have done differently to after the weekend that donald trump just had to just end it. just completely end his candidacy. and that she possibly could have with this debate but didn t. but you think that s in part the result of an hour before the debate he invites these women no. to come here not only to do a little joint photo opportunity with him but then to sit in the front row you mean whether she was rattled? yeah. i mean, i don t know. i didn t get the sense that she really changed her strategy much at all. that she was going to do what she was going to do. she clearly was ready for bill clinton s name to come up in the context of these women or in any other context. and he she made the decision she wasn t going to go there. she was going to instead hit all the demographics that she thinks that donald trump has offended, whether it s the disabled or the hispanics or muslims and so forth and she was just going to pretend like the bill clinton question didn t happen. she s trying to keep what she s got. she d she s ahead right now. she s head in the moltum in the last ten days and we don t know about the weekend. we don t know how that will be processed by voters or this debate which they ll be processing at the same time. what they learned over the weekend about donald 2ru78. and now this debate. hillary clinton came saying if i protect what i have i win the election. and she was it was clear she was hoping that donald trump hurt himself with his own words and donald trump turned in a much stronger performance in terms of punching, counterpunching and getting to the issues more favorable to him. a much better job tonight than in the first debate no doubt. our exclusive cnn/orc poll results momentarily. who won this debate? in the meantime let s go back to jake. thanks so much. appreciate it, wolf. i m back with our panel. something i want to throw out to everyone here. i ll start with this side and work over. the alicia machado moment was a throwaway line at the end of the last debate and it became a huge story because of how the clinton campaign went with it and because of donald trump s reaction. one thing i m wondering if donald trump introduced at this night s debate that we just talked about over here that might become a bigger thing for the clinton campaign and i think we can agree they re much more effective at the attacks and the commercials and with surrogates, et cetera. that is with donald trump saying if he gets elected president he s going to ask his attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to put hillary clinton in jail. yeah. this is the kind of thing they do in countries not like the united states, where you lock up and jail your political opponents. this feeds into something a criticism we ve heard actually more from conservative critics of donald trump than liberal critics of donald trump. can you imagine this man with his dem pramt and his drive for vengeance having instruments of government at his hands, the irs, et cetera. i wonder if that was a much bigger gaffe than we are making it out to be. i think it is. i think it s a huge gaffe. republicans talk about the imperial presidency and how barack obama has abused his executive powers. imagine somebody being asked to serve as attorney general if you knew that a president was going to direct prosecutions. i m not a lawyer. but i get that. and it is as dana was pointing out nixonian to a great degree. and i think that it is also un-american to a great degree. and i think that is something the clinton campaign can use and can use very fevtly. also to me when he said i d put her in jail. remember during the convention lock her up. lock her up, lock her up. and he kind of tried to quiet it a little at the convention because he was in presidential mode. now this was a primary campaign debate to me tonight and what he was doing was rallying the base by saying lock her up effectively, which he did also, calling her a liar multiple times and the devil. multiple times. and saying he d put her in jail. and he said she had hate in her heart. i don t think that s going to play very well with voters. i think what happened was he said i m throwing out the playbook and i m going with, as you point out, i m going with the material that s worked for me when i go out there and speak to these rallies. this line of prosecuting hillary clinton is something he s used in his rallies. this is not a new idea. he just raised it to the level of a debate point here. and my guess is it will resonate well with his base and it will antagonize the people he needs to grow who worry about the things you point out, who worry about his temperament, worry about whether he would handle the job of president in a responsible way. so you know, i think he galvanized the base again, perhaps at the expense of expanding it. it s another iteration of her argument, which is in an ad, about having him near the nuclear codes. a man you can bait with a tweet shouldn t be near the nuclear codes. and he also probably shouldn t have the instruments of the military, of the justice department. so yeah, i think that ll certainly end up in an ad. and again, it s going to turn off those moderate swing voters who want a steady person, who want somebody who is steady in terms of their temperament, in terms of their manner, in terms of their speech and approach to issues. so i think this it wasn t a plant by hillary clinton in any way. i don t think it s going to end up in an ad because this isn t the issue she doesn t want to i don t think alleged criminality those who watched it i think it was cringeworthy for a lot of folks who watched it. jake, the two of us have ties to the philly suburbs. i still live there. you have family who are there. i ve waited, we re now a month out from the election, less if you start and think that people are already voting and i ve been waiting and waiting and waiting for the pivot or the outreach to the folks who come in from our area because if we had a nickel for every time they get invoked, even on snl, we d be wealthy individuals. it s never going to happen. i mean, this is the donald trump who got this far. i think there potentially is an emperor has no clothes thing going on around him where perhaps the people who could say to him you need to pivot won t do so for whatever reason. but this is what got him thus far and this is how he s going to ride it out. and i think that he feeds on the reaction that he gets from that base which is what keeps him hitting but michael, maybe he felt like he took the advice of the people who were telling him to pivot and be more muted in the last debate and it didn t turn out well for him. could be. so he decided well, the hell with that, i m going to throw all that out and go back to the stuff i know works. and just to elaborate, it s not michael and i are biased because we re from philadelphia but it s not just the philly burbs we re talking about, we re talking about white college educated voters, the people in the i-4 corridor in the middle of florida, we re talking about the people in northern virginia, in the suburbs of denver. these are voters that mitt romney did well with, that john mccain did well with. still not well enough to win harrisburg, where thousands show up for donald trump. and donald trump is underperforming with them. and i know that this i m sure he will win every online poll. i know that the breitbart crowd ate this up. my question is did he win over any suburban households in philadelphia? sure. i think he can. and let me use the issue here that you were just talking about to illustrate. talking about jailing the opponent and how this is dictators and all this kind of stuff. there is another side to this. and on a side that independent voters, the kind of folks you were talking about are very concerned about, and that is the politicization of the department of justice where you have an attorney general, eric holder, who said in that case of the black panthers group there that were at the polls in philadelphia and they were armed and they were in uniform. he said he wasn t going to do it because these are my people. again, i m sure he s winning fox news voters. that s not my point. when you talk about he said he would some fact checker is the fact check machine is going tilt right now. you re speaking against the politicization of the justice department under the obama administration. his answer was i ll tell my attorney general to appoint a special prosecutor to lock her up. that s not what he said. he said i will appoint a special prosecutor to look into it. yes. and then later in the same exchange he said if he were in charge of the government she d be in jail. as a response. i know the media doesn t get satire and humor but that was a humorous line we do. we get satire. you compare him to hitler and stalin locking people up when he said i don t think anybody mentioned hitler or stalin. but let s play it. let s play the exchange. i didn t think i d say this but i m going to say it. and i hate to say it. but if i win i am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. there has never been anything like it. and we re going to have a special prosecutor. when i speak, i go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. in my opinion, the people that have been long-term workers at the fbi are furious. there has never been anything like this where e-mails and you get a subpoena. you get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails. and then you acid wash them or bleach them, as you would say. a very expensive process. so we re going to get a special prosecutor and we re going to look into it because you know what? people have been their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you ve done. and it s a disgrace. and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. secretary clinton everything he just said is absolutely false but i m not surprised. oh, really? i told people that it would be impossible to be fact-checking donald all the time. i d never get to talk about anything i want to do and how we re going to really make lives better for people. so once again, go to hillaryclinton.com. we have literally trump, you can fact-check him in real time. it s just awfully good that someone with the temperament of donald trump is not in charge of the law in our country. because you d be in jail. secretary clinton. yeah. humor right there. you re saying he wasn t being serious? i m saying he used that line. it was humor to illustrate the point. and the point is as with the e-mails i mean, how many so he thought she was innocent of anything wrong with e-mails? how many stories have we seen, jake, in the last two weeks about destruction of computers, special privileges, the president president clinton gets on the plane i love you guys know i love jeffrey lord. i do. i m not joking. here we go. and i greatly appreciate this is a clearing of the throat. this is it. jake, you may want to get out of the way. but the idea that you are threatening to prosecute your opponent is as best i can tell unprecedented in american history. and i will say this. you don t appoint a prosecutor to investigate. you appoint a prosecutor to lay the groundwork to put somebody in jail. and here s the problem i have with the whole thing. but hold on a second. here s the problem i have with the whole thing. look, we do have a criminal justice system that is unfair, that is biased, but when people like black lives matter point this out people like yourself say they re race baiting, they re racist, and turn a deaf ear. so you can t have it both ways. you can t pretend to care about a broken criminal justice system only when donald trump is scoring political points about hillary clinton and then turn your deaf ear to the cries of actual people who are suffering. and there was a big missed opportunity tonight. when that muslim woman stepped forward, donald trump could have very easily said to her, i understand what you re going through. and he did. and he didn t. he did. let me finish. we ll get the tape. we ll get the tape. he very briefly said one thing. and then he basically gave an islamophobic answer to a question about islamophobia. why do i say that? because he said you the muslims have to report on the things that are going on. as if only the muslims have to do this. as if all of the mass shootings are done by muslims. you can say you want everyone in the country you see something say something. that s an american position. he says the muslims have a special responsibility. that s an islamophobic response. and he missed opportunity after opportunity to reach out. but don t play games with criminal justice with me. so kayleigh, let me ask you. you maintain and tell me what you think. that the first part, special prosecutor, serious, but then the other thing about because you d be in jail that was a joke. i do. and the audience laughed. so i think they clearly got the humor. but you know, to van s point about criminal justice and double standards and caring about citizens, you know who i care a lot about? petty officer christian saucier, who s sitting in a jail right now sentenced to one year in prison for taking eight photographs on a submarine to show his family and bringing back classified information home for him. christian saucier s in jail. hillary clinton did the same thing. she s out free because the fbi, to jeffrey s point, is politicized. they re friends. four of the people sitting at this table have worked in the white house. the white house must maintain an arm s length relationship from the prosecutorial power of the justice department. and it always has. except in the nixon administration where nixon did try to politicize both the fbi and the cia. it was one of the darkest moments of our history. what trump has suggested is straight out of the dictator s handbook. and it came during the same debate when he publicly broke with his running mate who dared to question vladimir putin. now, ken vogel of politico points out, but i remember this from my own work, that in ukraine a putin puppet, viktor yanukovych, did the same thing. he became president. he was a putin puppet. he locked up his predecessor, yulia tymoshenko. this guy is laying the groundwork for exactly he wants to crack down on the first amendment against journalists. in every rally he attacks journalists. now he wants to lock up his opponent just like putin s buddy. and even his running mate takes second fiddle to his pal putin hold that thought. coming up who won tonight s debate? what do voters think? we ll reveal the first results of our instant poll of debate watchers. and we ll get the first reaction from our focus group of undecided voters in the key battleground state of ohio. stay with us. yeah mom, the new kitchen s great. hey! if you want somethig to cook faster, you just double the heat right? no reason. hey mom, for laundry, the maximum load is just a suggestion right? oh that makes sense. ummm mom, how do i monitor my credit? ok. thanks mom. that was easy. sign up for credit karma s free credit monitoring today. we re here in the spin room getting reaction from all the candidates both the candidates surrogates. lots of reaction coming in. we re also standing by for the exclusive results of our cnn/orc poll of voters in ohio. we re going to get that momentarily. stand by for that. first official unofficial but poll results. scientific poll that we ve got, you re going to get those results momentarily. david chalian will be with us for that. the big question of the night, what did undecided voters think about donald trump s answer to the question about the leaked tape? pamela brown watched the debate with a group of these voters. we re about to show you what they thought. while you watch look at the bottom of your screen. if the lines go up, voters liked the answer. if the lines go down, they didn t like the answer. men s responses are in green, women in yellow. here s donald trump s response. just for the record, though, are you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? i have great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. for the record you re saying you didn t do those things? you hear these things are said and i was embarrassed by it but i have tremendous respect for women. have you ever done those things? and women have respect for me. and i will tell you no, i have not. and i will tell you that i m going to make our country safe. pamela, these voters didn t seem to like his answer. yeah, as you saw the very strong reactions from these 29 undecided voters from the ohio state university. so let s get straight to them to see what their reaction was when donald trump defended himself against that access hollywood video. what did you think, barb, when you heard what he had to say? i find it hard to believe whatever he says. he just doesn t seem to be a truthful person. reporter: and you have two sons and you had sort of a visceral reaction to what he said in defense of that video and what he was saying in that video. what did you think? well, i just feel that everyone has placed all of the accent upon young women and how we should protect them. we are equal citizens. i would hope that my sons would not talk like he did and i have tried to raise them not to act that way. reporter: it s interesting, because he reiterated in his defense that this is locker room banter, that this is just words. what do you think, larry? did that resonate with you? no. because that s not locker room talk. and for a 59-year-old man to claim that that s locker room talk i think is offensive to the young men who are out playing sports and doing the right thing. to me, it s pure and simple, sexual assault. and he should be held accountable for his thinking and actions of sexual assault. so to you that is not just locker room banter? that s not. not at 59 years old, especially. i don t know any 59-year-olds who are in locker rooms. i just want to get quickly a show of hands. who thought that donald trump did enough to put that controversy surrounding the tape behind him? raise your hand if you think he did enough tonight in defense. okay. and there were some positive reactions when hillary clinton actually spoke after donald trump defended himself against that video. let s take a listen to what she had to say during the debate. this is who donald trump is and the question for us, the question our country must answer is that this is not who we are. that s why, to go back to your question, i want to send a message. we all should. to every boy and girl and indeed to the entire world that america already is great but we are great because we are good. so i want to ask you, what was it about hillary clinton s argument that resonated with you following donald trump s defense of the video? she stated that america is already great and i tend to agree with that. though we are slow in progressing in a number of areas, we are progressing and we need to continue the momentum. what about you? what did you think about hillary clinton s argument, the way that she reacted, particularly when he brought up bill clinton s past and the allegations against him? what did you think? i think that she tried to clarify that they weren t the same, that what donald trump had done was she had talked about her children and other people s children and daughters and that it just it was uncalled for and he should not have done it and didn t feel that his apology was sincere. and it s interesting because she largely sort of stayed away from going there. do you think that was a smart move? raise your hand if you think that was a smart move. and raise your hand if you think it was a smart move for donald trump to bring that up, if that was fair game. why do you think that? well, i think, you know, if everything is out on the table, then everything is fair game. is it apples to apples, absolutely not. but i don t think in these debates it just doesn t ever seem like anything s off the table. i m going to get a show of hands now. the big question, who do you think won this debate? hillary clinton. raise your hand if you think hillary clinton won tonight s debate. okay. raise your hand if you think donald trump won this debate. okay. so clearly there are some of you who thought this was a draw. raise your hand if you think tonight s debate was a draw. all right. there you go. there you have it, wolf. mixed response. coming up, we re going to talk about what they thought and who they are going to vote for, these undecided voters, if any of them cemented their vote after tonight s debate. you won t want to miss that. hillary clinton is now speaking to reporters aboard her aircraft. i want to listen in. go back and lean up against my stool but he was very present. we re going to take off. then we re going to bring you - you . [ inaudible question ]. nothing surprises me about him really, dan. i was surprised by the absolute avalanche of falsehoods. i mean, i really find it almost unimaginable that someone can stand and just tell, you know, a falsehood after falsehood. you all remember politifact said he was the most untruthful candidate they d ever evaluated. and we sort of did the numbers. i think they said he was like 70% untruthful. and so i think he exceeded that percentage tonight. how did president clinton anyway, thank you, guys. we ll come back in a few minutes. there she is. hillary clinton going to the back of her plane to speak to reporters, making some tough statements once again against donald trump. we have the results now of our instant poll. we ve been waiting for this. david chalian, our political director. give us the results. wolf, as you know, we did a pofl debate watchers. this is not a national poll of all voters. this is a poll of debate watchers and just like we saw in the first debate and the vice presidential debate, the audience skews a little more democratic. debate watchers are a little more democratic than we would see in a national poll overall. having said that, who won the debate? according to the debate watchers we polled, hillary clinton won the debate. 57% to 34% for donald trump. that s not as big of a victory as she got in our poll in the first debate but it is a clear victory here. but talk about besting expectations. take a look at this. did donald trump best expectations, did he do better than you thought he would do? 63% of debate watchers said donald trump did better than they expected. only 21% say that he did worse and 15% say he did the same as they expected. how about hillary clinton s expectation game? take a look at these numbers. did hillary clinton do better or worse than you expected? 39% say she did better. 26% said she did worse and 34% said she did about the same. hillary clinton the winner in this poll of who won the debate. but donald trump significantly overperforming expectations. but the polls show that she did win this debate. let s get immediate reaction from kellyanne conway, the trump campaign manager who is with us. what s your reaction to that? my reaction is that i m glad that people think that 60% according to your online poll believe that hillary clinton either did worse or the same as they expected. it showed she wasn t very well prepared for tonight s debate. and that really surprises me. because if she s anything she s, you know, very wonky. she s very pedantic, lawyerly in her responses. i would have thought she d be better prepared for this debate. ail heard all week, wolf, is that the town hall format is really great for her. whereas we know it s our sweet spot because donald trump is out there every single day engaging with voters. he loves that. he s at the rallies. he s at the smaller forum round tables. he s at his own town halls. he clearly won the debate tonight why? because if you watched anybody s shows this whole weekend we ve just been left for dead, it s all over, why even show up, will there be a debate, are people jumping ship. he came here to play tonight and he came here to take the case right to hillary clinton and to show americans this race is still what it s always been. past versus future. politician versus successful businessman. washington insider versus disrupter. and he made that case very clearly. he did not back down. kellyanne, i want to ask you about what he said at the beginning of the debate. more than one time he referred once again to what he said on that tape as locker room talk. you re his campaign manager, the only woman at the head of that campaign. what did you think when you saw and you heard that? truthfully, what was your reaction? my initial reaction was very close to what melania trump said. i was offended. and i think that language is offensive and disgusting. and i m also very happy that he apologized. i m glad that he holds himself excuse me. accountable. because i look at the full measure of people, what they ve said, what they ve done, dana, and how they deal with adversity that comes to him to them. and donald trump is absolutely correct. these are words compared to actions. and he made that very clear tonight that hillary clinton blaming and shaming the women in her husband s life, that is not somebody who s standing up for women. but the term locker room talk. you had the highest-ranking woman in congress, republican woman, kathy mcmorris rogers, blowing that off and saying no, no, no, this is suggesting sexual assault and that s a very unfortunate phrase and people should stop using it. why? because i know him better. and i know better. but it s what he said. he did not say the word sexual no. it s what he implied you want to talk about sexual assault, right here in the hall i know cnn doesn t want into the view them for whatever reason. you give miss universe a big platform. but we have in the hall tonight juanita broaddrick and paula jones and kathy shelton the 12-year-old rape victim that two years before the rape shield laws were implemented in arkansas hillary clinton defending her 42-year-old rapist successfully defending him getting him a plea bargain. she was willing to blame and shame that victim as well who was 12 years old. we can talk about sexual assault but let s have a full conversation about it. this is what i know. i have to assess people based on what i see in totem. this is a man i ve been alone with many times who s never been anything but gracious and a gentleman and elevated me to the top level of his campaign the way he s elevated women in the trump organization for decades. because he respects women. let me just say that cnn at the time many, many years ago did fully litigate these two gentlemen were actually covering the clinton white house fully, talk about and report on their stories at the time. because it is very old. and i just because you brought it up i just have to say, kellyanne how she treated them. no, no. it was real time. i just have to say because you brought it up that your boss himself back in 1998 told neil cavuto about these victims. i don t necessarily agree with his victims, talking about bill clinton. his victims are terrible. he, meaning bill clinton, is the real victim himself. he put himself in that position. and he talked about how unattractive these people are. so in 1998 we re not going to talk about paula jones because it s too old but we ll talk did what i m saying is at that time he was defending bill clinton and going after these guys and now he s changed he s gotten to know them. we took note of hillary clinton s comment on the campaign trail and actually she said all sexual assault victims deserve to be heard and believed. these are her words. she s running for president now. she wants to be the president of all people. i assume except for the ones she thinks are deplorable and airredeemable which is tens of millions. but in fairness i know we want to talk about this because we certainly don t want to talk about tonight s campaign performance. when hillary clinton just on her plane lying that donald trump said falsehood after falsehood. i was watching the debate in real time. politifact, the fact checker said he was right about her wanting to have a 550% increase in sir refugees let me ask you another question about the debate. donald trump said he had not spoken to his vice presidential running mate mike pence about syria and he disagreed with him. we re 30 days from the american people voting. mike pence will be out there campaigning tomorrow. is the message to the american people at mike pence rallies don t believe what he says because not at all. they were talking about two different things. i just talked to governor pence not ten minutes ago. he says hello. he and mr. trump had also talked about what a great debate we ve had between tuesday night the vice presidential debate and tonight obviously donald trump winning here. in a vice presidential debate the conversation was about humanitarian crisis. and that s what governor pence was referring to. and mr. trump said and he said the united states might have to use force. governor pence the united states might he might have to. and donald trump said tonight i disagree with that. and i haven t spoken with him. about that particular aspect of it since the debate. that is true p they ve spoken many times this week. but let me be clear. on tv on your network today cnn s jake tapper took tim kaine to account because he couldn t answer a simple question about what hillary clinton said in the e-mails about having open borders. we know she s for open borders but the only way we know it now is because we saw it in her e-mails we did hear something extraordinary from donald trump today. he said if he s elected president he will ask the justice department to name a special prosecutor to go after hillary clinton. and then he went one step further and said he would arrest her and lock her up he would put her in jail. in all of the years, i don t remember a time in american history when one candidate has said of the other candidate if he wins the other candidate s going to jail. donald trump is channeling the frustration of a lot of americans he hears from, wolf. so many americans say i can t believe that people have been their lives have been ruined, their livelihood gone, they face jail time for doing far less than hillary clinton did hear and yet she was completely exonerated for deleting 33,000 e-mails, not turning over another 17,000. that s 50,000 right there. setting up the private server to begin with. saying that there s no classified information. fbi director comey said that s not true. i only had one device. she had many. they took a hammer to them. the story goes on and on. and it s an active investigation. in other words, just less than two weeks ago did ybut you understand the enormity of that statement. he s going to lock up his opponent if he wins. well, no, what he said is he wants to appoint a special prosecutor because he feels and he channels nearly public will here he hears all the time if we don t hear about the disasters in obama care and her failure with the russian reset and benghazi we re always hearing about the e-mails. and he is telling he told america tonight what america has told him. the frustration that there s a different set of rules for this woman as goes for e-mails. and she i you ve got to run. i m going to put up on the screen the results of our poll. you re a professional pollster. you ll see the results. these are people who actually watched the debate and millions and millions of americans watched. who won the debate? 57% said hillary clinton won the debate. 34% said donald trump won the debate. that s the results of our cnn/orc poll. kellyanne, thanks very much for joining us. i watched a different debate, but thank you. coming up we re going to have a reality check on some of the most contentious statements we heard from the candidates tonight. and we ll reveal more results from our own poll of watchers. what was their response to trump s attempts to explain his vulgar comments caught on tape? stay with us. welcome back. we re here in the spin room following this historic debate. we ve got a reality check, some fact checking with tom foreman and phil mattingly. tom foreman, first to you. what have you found out? wolf, attacks and insults have characterized this campaign for months now. and tonight as well. with hillary clinton saying donald trump has gone after women again and again. but it s not only women and it s not only this video that raises questions about his fitness to be our president. because he has also targeted immigrants, african-americans, latinos, people with disabilities, p.o.w.s, muslims, and so many others. that is really an enormous list of people up there. could this possibly be true? well, if you go all wait back to when he announced his candidacy, yeah, at some time or another he s either said or done something to disparage people on every one of these lists. this was actually a very easy one to check. and her claim is true. wolf? thank you, tom. phil mattingly, you ve been doing a reality check as well. yeah, that s right. it wasn t just hillary clinton that was taking some swings tonight. donald trump rolling off a litany of attacks against bill and hillary clinton. included this one. that bill clinton lost his law license. but what president clinton did, he was impeached. he lost his license to practice law. so here s the claim, that bill clinton lost his law license. quite simply was no longer allowed to practice law. so here are the facts. in the wake of revelations that bill clinton lied during the monica lewinsky investigation the arkansas supreme court brought a disbarment lawsuit against clinton. now, clinton agreed as part of the resolution to that lawsuit the day before leaving office to a five-year suspension of his arkansas law license as part of that plea deal to put an end to the lewinsky investigation. so where does that leave us? the verdict. it s true. on donald trump s claim that bill clinton lost his law license for five years. it s accurate. for this and all of tonight s reality checks go to cnn.com/realitycheck. wolf? cnn s coverage of the second presidential debate continues right after this. a high one. donald trump s campaign staggered after the video where the bragged he could grab a woman s genitals. then he went to attack mode and hillary clinton responded. look, it s just not true. you didn t delete them? personal e-mails. not official. we turned over 35,000. what about the other 50,000? please allow her to respond. she didn t talk while you talked. that s true. i ll try not to in this debate because i d like to get to the questions that the people have brought here tonight to talk to us about. and get off this question. okay, donald, i know you re into big diversion tonight. anything to avoid talking about your campaign and the way it is exploding and the way republicans are leaving you. the news this morning,
in heiglight of the fact that everything you just said donald trump said wasn t going to happen. it is the most under-reported story related to the campaign but not directly in the campaign. each day we see something new that was kind of unimaginable weeks ago. he says the u.s. military is a disaster, that operation is a disaster, he half believes that mosul is part of syria. thank you, rachel. today, the wife of the biggest cyber bully in the world said that if you make her first lady of the united states, she will work hard to stop cyber bullying. annemarie cox will join us with her reaction to melania trump s speech today. but first, we have a new electoral college projection. and that projection indicates that the next president of the united states will not have a first lady. this isn t a joke. this isn t survivor. this isn t the bachelorette. this counts. say whoa. if donald trump were to win this election, we would have a commander in chief who is completely out of his depth. ah, this and that, oh, give me a break. donald trump is temperamentally unfit. best thing i have is my temperament. now he knows we can see and hear him, right? i think the gig is up. we have to find a better way to talk to each other. to respect each other. these people are stupid. they re stupid people. come on, man! i promise you, i will never enter a bicycle race. stay on point, donald, stay on point. we need to teach our youth american values. kindness. honesty, respect. stupid people, remember that. sometimes the tentation is to tune it out, and you want to just focus on the cubs winning the world series. [cheers and applause] and who knows, maybe we ll see even more history made in a few days. this is the last word on campaign 2016. with just four campaign days left now before the presidential election, american voters have probably already decided who the next president of the united states will be. most of the models repeatedly used to predict the winner are predicting a win for hillary clinton. on this program, we presented the moody s analytics model this week that uses economic factors as well as political factors to predict a winner. that shows hillary clinton winning 332 electoral votes to donald trump s 206 electoral votes. larry sabato, the director of the university of virginia center for politics is now ready with his numbers. joining us now, larry sabato. this is not your final projection, because, there s a couple is states you re still thinking about, but give us your count as of tonight. yes, lawrence, we ll update on monday, but right now we think that clinton has 293 electoral votes. she will, we believe, win nevada, despite some of the late polling that has her behind there. we think she s ahead in north carolina. and as long as democrats can manage to get out more the african-american vote, and they re working hard on that, she will win north carolina. our big toss-up, in fact the only toss-up state is florida. you could argue new hampshire is a toss-up state. there are only four electoral votes there and 29 in florida. florida has flummoxed us so far. but 293 is a respectable total. if she wins florida, she ll go clinton among latinos, latino decisions have excellent new data on this showing that clinton is getting a larger percentage of latinos than brau barack obama did. he got 21%. she s getting 79%, donald trump is in the teens. gee, i wonder why. that is a big, big gain for hillary clinton. the electorate s never static, and different pieces move in different directions every four years, but over all, i think people who are saying hillary clinton is collapsing and the blue wall is falling, you know, it s chicken little all over again. and quickly, larry on the senate, if hillary clinton, if your projection s right, hillary clinton s going to be the next president. is she going to be able to get a supreme court nominee through the next united states senate? well, she needs, she needs 50 democratic senators plus tim donald trump s temperament. i m also honored to have the greatest temperament that anybody has, because we know how to win. she spends $1 billion. she spends so much money, i see these ads. people that know me, say how can they say that? you know, we have a temperament, we have a certain temperament. it s a temperament of knowing how to win. donald stood on a stage and said, and i quote, i m honored to have the greatest temperament that anyone s ever had. now he, he knows we can see and hear him, right? this is someone who at another rally yesterday actually said out loud to himself, stay on point, donald. stay on point. his campaign probably put that in the teleprompter. stay on point, donald, stay on point. and joining the discussion now, elysse jordan. former adviser to rand paul s presidential campaign. and also with us, steve mcmahon, a democratic strategist and the ceo and co-founder of purple strategies. elysse, it still seems for the clinton campaign, the best material for hillary clinton every day is whatever donald trump just said. that s why this week has been damaging to her. so much attention has been focussed on the fbi and the e-mail server. if she can get back to pointing out to what ridiculous things donald trump is saying, his message the entire campaign, she s in much firmer, better territory. steve mcmahon, you ve been, i was going to say you ve been in campaigns like this. i take it back. no one s ever been in a campaign like this. but you ve certainly been there where there s four campaign days left. obviously hillary clinton likes keeping the focus on what donald funny to basically not pay somebody who s done work for him and say go ahead and sue me, because i ve got more money than you and you can t do anything about it. larry sabato, is that approach based on voter analysis, that that is what is working with voters? talking about donald trump s temperament and character? oh, absolutely. this has come through for months, even before the conventions. and it s just as true today as it was then. the two big factors, they don t think he has the temperament to sit in the oval office and make critical decisions, and they don t think he s qualified in terms of experience and background, to deal with complex public policy issues. the more those two things can be stressed, the better for democrats, and president obama had a marvelous term there. uniquely unqualified. and, again, i think most people would agree with that, just based on the facts. all right, let s look at the latest clinton campaign ad that goes straight at this. i d wbr id= wbr7279 /> look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers. he s a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren t captur captured, okay? you got to look at this guy, oh, i don t remember. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. i love war in a certain way. elysse, i think about people like you and steve wishing you could be in the room working on ads against donald trump, because they just serve up the, donald trump serves up that material. it is a gift that keeps giving when it comes to ads. but back to this temperament issue that we re talking about and how clinton and president obama are trying to stress this on the campaign trail this week, /b> out of all the focus groups that i ve sat in during this campaign season, temperament was the absolute, number one issue that undecided voters mentioned wbr-id= wbr7899 /> when it came to pulling the trigger for donald trump. they re simply worried not only what he would do domestically been internationally, it s okay if he s a wrecking ball domestically, but internationally, they are really concerned. so this is definitely her closing argument. so steve mcmahon, never mind the supreme court in the last four days of the campaign, would you suggest they ignore issues, just go straight at donald trump the character? absolutely. she s got a 40 or 45-point edge on this trait which voters think is very important to a president, and i ve sat in focus groups too and saw the same thing. voters are very worried about donald trump. they sort of like that he wants to change washington, they would like a change and broken glass there, but they don t want that in the middle east or places where it s dangerous and scary. they want a balanced, experienced leader who s not going to get us into a war. steve mcmahon, elysse jordan, larry sabato, thank you for joining us. thank you. coming up, melania trump s speech today was accompanied by the most inappropriate music ever used by the trump campaign or any campaign in the history of campaigns. in the history of music. annemarie cox will give us her take on that speech. and former speechwriter for president george w. bush david from will join us to explain why he voted today for hillary clinton for president. one of millions of orders on this company s servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise, today, the microphone, i should say, but it was not for that press conference that donald trump promised since weeks ago in which melania trump would produce all her immigration records and prove to us her legality. instead, it was a speech accompanied by the most inappropriate music in the history of the campaign. annemarie cox will join us next and we ll bring you some of that speech. well this here s a load-bearing wall. we ll go ahead and rip that out. that ll cause a lot of problems. hmm. totally unnecessary and it triples the budget. we ll be totally behind schedule, right? (laughschedules. schedules. great, okay. wouldn t it be great if everyone said what they meant? the citi® double cash card does. it lets you earn double cash back: 1% when you buy, and 1% as you pay. the citi double cash card. double means double. age of aquarius aquarius aquarius sympathy and trust abounding okay, that was weird. that is the most inappropriate piece of introductory music ever used at a campaign event. the last line of the lyric you just heard, sympathy and trust abounding . and then, for some inexplicable reason, the lyrics stop, the music continues, but the lyrics aren t there. they just stop. and the very next line, the lyrics that just don t happen, the next line is no more falsehoods or derisions. now it just can t be possible that the trump campaign, the campaign of falsehoods and derisions, was self-aware enough to realize that they just couldn t play that lyric today. it couldn t be that, because if the trump campaign was so self-aware, then they would never have chosen a hit song from the 1968 broadway musical hair. it was the first nude musical. for the most part, they were dressed in the hippy costuming of the day. it was a story of dropping out, and dropping acid and free love and celebration of the hippy lifestyle. aimed at donald trump s age, graduated a month after hair opened on fraud way, but it definitely wa lly wasn t donalds kind of show. it was about, as the lyrics said, harmony and understanding, sympathy and trust abounding. no more falsehoods or derisions. golden living dreams of visions mystic crystal revelation and the mind s true liberation. the music and the cultural world of people graduating from college in 1968 in donald trump s year, that year was deaf identified between the hippies singing about love and understanding and the mind s true revelation and elvis, unrepentant, 1950s rock and roll. so melania trump made her entrance to a song that stands against everything the trump campaign stands for. no more falsehoods or derisions. and oddly, melania trump s speech was about falsehoods and derisions. making her the first trump ever to take a stand against falsehoods and derisions. as we know, now social media is a centerpiece of our lives. it can be a useful tool for connection and communication. it can ease isolation that so many people feel in the modern world. technology has changed our universe. but, like anything that is powerful, it can have a bad side. we have seen this already. as adults, many of us are able to handle mean words, even lies. children and teenagers can be fragile. they are hurt when they are made fun of or made to feel less in looks or intelligence. this makes their life hard and can force them to hide and retreat. our culture has gotten too mean and too rough. especially to children and teenagers. made to feel less in looks and intelligence. so, the wife of the world s biggest, wildest, most out of control cyber bully, wants to assume the position of first lady so she can stop cyber bullying. no. this is not a self-aware campaign. four years ago, melania trump s husband tweeted this. cher, i don t wear a rug, it s mine, and i promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries that didn t work. melania trump s husband also tweeted this, ariana huffington is unattractive both yinside an out. i understand why her husband left her for a man. and he made a comment on the fact that women were serving in the military. 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, on only 238 convictions. what did these geniuses expect? how much money is the extremely unattractive both inside and out, ariana huffington paying her ex-husband for the use of his name. if hillary clinton can t satisfy her husband, what makes her think she can satisfy america. donald trump has tweeted that megyn kelly is a bimbo, attacked bette midler s attractiveness on twitter and said utterly poisonous things about rosie o donnell, time and time again here, and i was the person donald trump threatened to sue on twitter, he s attacked this show, saying it s unwatchable and first predicted the cancellation of this show five years ago, it was going to happen at any moment back then. also on twitter, donald trump has called me a poor journalist, stupid, a very dumb guy, the dumbest political commentator on television and the dumbest man on tv. today donald trump tweeted about watching his wife s speech, but he didn t say anything, anything about her condemnation of cyber bullying. joining us now, annemarie cox, senior political news correspondent for mtv news. i was looking at the trump hits on me, i have to confess, all of which made me laugh. and i thought he never goes after guys looks. he only does the looks thing with women. and then i found this one. lawrence, this is from several years ago. lawrence will soon be off tv, bad ratings, he has a face made for radio. so he has gone after, at least one guy, on looks. yeah, he s mocked krischri c too. he does save his real venom for women. that is true. and, you know, so i was working under a theory for a while that melania was an silon, because she has that weird thing where her eyes go back and forth, and she looks somewhat alien. but an android s circuits would fry, only a truly delusional human being could give a speech like she gave and survive it. a computer couldn t handle it. you ve shown a hlot of the iron. but to go a step further beyond trump himself doing the bullying, what about attacking people of the jewish faith who have covered him and they ve sent people into hiding and remember the journalist that wrote a profile of melania and was deluged with anti-semitic remark, and the campaign and melania herself refused to say anything about it. it s one of those speeches where it makes you wonder, do these people ever talk to each other. it was all that portion of it was well-written. those were all good ideas, very well-considered stuff. but donald trump is just the most glaring, you know, violator of everything melania trump talked about today. right, you know, i always thought it was a little bit a shade that laura bush chose literacy as her cause when bush was president. i thought that was pretty clever. but this is at another level. if this is self-aware subtweeting, it s like sticking the knife in. i don t, you know, it s hard to critique, you know, the families, right? i think everyone wants to not go to hard on the families of candidates. you know, a lot of us say things like this person didn t sign up for th. but i ve been thinking. we don t know what melania signed up for. trump has said there s a prenuptial agreement. i imagine it s pretty long. she literally signed up for this. she definitely did literally sign something. i think when the families are trying to elect the most dangerous candidate in the history of the country, we ve got a whole set of what s relevant and what isn t. and when she s trying to make the argument that somehow the donald that she knows is different than the one we know, we ve seen no evidence of that. this is a case where we actually have evidence of what he s like when he doesn t think the cameras are on, right? and it s pretty consistent, actually. like that s the thing that s sort of amazing, right? there s no hidden depths to hem. there s no other side of donald trump. hi like he s exactly the jerk you think he is. and what matters is who a president is going to be publicly. this is who he is publicly. and the temperament argument that all the hillary surrogates is making is a powerful one. we d like to live in a country where we re having our des agreements about policy, but in the end, it really is about temperament when we elect a president, because there s not going to be, we can t predict every policy problem that comes forward. we can t predict everything that will happen in the world. at some point, it will be the president at his or her desk making the decision about millions of lives of people. we have to have faith that that decision is going to be made, not in anger, not off the handle and not off of personal pique. thank you, ana marie. thank you. up next, david from has announced that he is voting for hillary clinton for president. the former speechwriter for george w. bush will join us with his reasons. is is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me go further. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira has been clinically studied for over 18 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. ready for a new chapter? 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zantac works in as little as 30 minutes. nexium can take 24 hours. when heartburn strikes, take zantac for faster relief than nexium or your money back. take the zantac it challenge. septembersent an e-mail to supporters this week asking them for money pause, we are currently executing a highly costly early voting push and get out to vote operation to ensure identified trump voters make it to the polls before election day. and this picture was tweeted with this caption, expensive early vote and get out to vote operation. that clearly doesn t exist. what grifters, con man. with four days left for the presidential war rooms, joining us tonight is mike murphy, republican campaign strategist and the host of the pod cast, radio free gop. so i have friends getting these trump e-mails, begging for money. this one you say is more fraud length thfraudu lent than most, because there isn t even a get out to vote push? i m the sheriff of corrupt town. but this one was particularly egregious. you can argue, there s a fig leaf. it s the joint fund raising committee between the rnc, and they do do generic things, but the e-mail implies, the technique they use is from kellyanne conway, and the idea they need money for this big tv system, which the campaign doesn t have. the rnc has some of it, that s why they d argue there was a whip of truth. it was misleading. make a trump appeal. that s fine, but let s not pretend there s somet that doesn t exis it still cracks me up that the guy is asking for money. why ask for money? why not pump all that trump money that was supposed to come in. that s a promise we heard for a long time. and he s put some money in, but not nearly what he said he would, but that s no surprise with trump. he will end up spending less than mike bloomberg did to get elected mayor of new york city. here s the count on field offices. hillary clinton has more field offices in 41 states, chug in every battleground state than donald trump has. here are the states where donald trump has more field offices han hillary clinton. arizona, south dakota, arkansas and mississippi. and arizona s the only one of those that s even in play. yeah, there s no trump field operation by real campaign standards. there s generic stuff the rnc is doing to help congressional races. but trump is doing none of the enhanced things that a normal presidential campaign would do. they re doing much of anything that a normal presidential campaign would do. there s no real serious policy staff. the list goes on and on. trump is like the ice kcapades. it is this concert tour, and we ll see how that pays off on election day. i think with all the noise about how it s too close to call and all that, i m making bets, i think trump s going down. walk us through your bet. on election night, which chips do you expect to see falling on the east coast? do you think in the early closings we ll see florida go for hillary clinton? i actually believe hillary is going to carry florida. i could be wrong, but even if trump wins ohio where he s a little stronger than florida and loses florida, let s give him both. and even if he were to win north carolina which has more republican proclivitieproclivit still has to make it up other places i don t think he can. i don t think he s going to poll the inside strait. and i think hillary clinton s going to win nevada. i know florida pretty well, and i won t have to see a lot of returns to make a pretty informed guesstimate on that state. i think some of that election night drama will be less than people are expecting right now. what do you make of the survey that s come out of the early voting in florida that shows a very large crossover of republicans, 28% of republicans in the early vote going to hillary clinton? my guess is that number s a little high, but i think the point it makes is true. the parties always do this. more republicans bas on party registration have voted early than democrats, but the margin s less, you know, there s all these comparative stats, but i think trump is going to underperform with republicans. normally you get 95% when you win. i think trump s republican number will be in the 80 s somewhere. so one of his many problems is, not all these republican votes by registration are actually trump votes. i don t know if it will be 28 to hillary, but i wouldn t be surprised if it s in the high teens, which is twice what it should be in a winning republican model. mike murphy, it s great to get your last word on this campaign as we approach tuesday, really appreciate. thanks, mike. thanks, lawrence. coming up next, the lawyer who fought the voter i.d. law in north carolina. indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea! here s pepto bismol! ah. nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea! why don t you let me. and me. help you out? 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