three american advisors are killed. we have u.s. military advisors flying combat missions. we have advisors that are accompanying south vietnamese forces in the field. by this point, the role is beyond advising. my first guests are congress member mike hoffman and counterterrorism analyst. phil, that footage was from the special right here on cnn about the sixties. is that what you think? it could be a vietnam in the making? i don t think so. the president has been clear. in my world, the distinction of being in the command center and okay the frontlines to take back the mission. we have the potential for an insurgent group to gain safe haven and threaten new york city. that is different than getting involved of a civil war at the head of nuri al maliki. the distinction of counter operations against the u.s. or are you slipping in support for civil war. congress member, i m glad phil uses the verbiage civil war. shi ite militias are now cooperating with the iraqi army. you know the subject well. maliki is now relying on those who launched attacks on u.s. soldiers. i think if you look at the iraqi army, itself, it is not far from being a shi a militia at this point. a lot of the sunnis have deserted from the army. this is a shi a-dominated government. fighting a sunni arab populations. you know, we had this coalition before where we had the jihadist elements or the local sunni arab militias or leaders come together as one. this requires a political solution. the president was wrong to take sides in the sectarian war. we need pressure on the maliki government to lay a foundation for reconciliation. i m pleased to see the lead are shi a cleric in the country has come out and said there has to be a significant change in this government. your position is he shouldn t have sent the 300 advisors, but is it the position to maintain a military footprint there to begin with? i think hindsight is always easy. i don t think the president wanted the narrative that he had ended the war in iraq. i think that would have been helpful. the situation is what it is right now. we can do a lot of finger pointing and the prior administration for getting us into this. we have to focus on looking forward. in looking forward, we need to understand that depth of the antagonism of the patronage. we need to see that in terms of reconciliation. phil mudd, michael crowley wrote this this week. this is not about iraq. this is about sunni radicals taking hold in the region. the better we come to terms with that, the better off we will be. i thatink that is correct. they believe the war was passed down through religious document and boundaries don t mean anything. on the flip side, you are looking at the shi a and how they are viewing the world. think of this crescent of the few decades. iran. the center of the shi a universe. on the one side, the americans getting out of afghanistan. they have a lot of historic influence. nuri al maliki, a shi a, taking over for saddam hussein, who is a sunni in iraq. you have cementing power for assad. he looks more and more powerful every day. one more step in the past decades. you have the rise of hezbollah. for them, this world sunni shi a is looking good. congress member, what i glean from that and from phil s analysis, is that no number of u.s. military advisors a s or ts are the ground will answer the question who should have been the successor to the prophet muhammad in the year 632. that is probably right. let me say this having worked with the sunni arabs in 2005 and 2006, that when they saw hope in terms of their future in iraq with an inclusive iraqi government, they turned on the radical elements, the jihadists and sided with us. so, that can occur again if, in fact, they see a future in an iraqi government. again, i m encouraged by al histani about the change in the government to make it inclusive. we need to recognize this is a political solution that is required and not a military solution. sending in the 300 advisors without a foundation without reconciliation. i hear sides of a political debate, phil, bush got us into iraq. well, obama took us out prematurely. i think maybe not at this juncture, five or ten years down the road, whenever saddam hussein has died. your thoughts? like it or not, americans have a view about democracy. all democracy is good all the time. when you deal with countries like syria or iraq or iran, there is a transition from democracy to stability. that is revolution. you are not talking about a year of revolution. you are talking about 10 or 20 or 50. we got in the middle of the country with kurds, sunni and shi a. we will have revolution. mike coffman, stick around. phil mudd, thank you. you remember the headline of special forces to iraq. i would have run, 300 military advisors won t pick muhammad s successor. i ll talk to former ambassador joe wilson about chen cheney s take and what the u.s. can do. the latest party to be offended by the term redskins. a branch of the u.s. government. hey! so i m looking at my bill, and my fico® credit score s on here. we give you your fico® score each month for free! awesomesauce! wow! the only person i know that says that is.lisa? julie?! at discover, we treat you like you d treat you. get the it card and see your fico® credit score. 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i think people who knew something about the region predicted that as an out come. did we break it and do we own it? i don t think there is much we can do to repair it right now. i would be it is really up to the iraqis to try to find some middle ground. i think we can perhaps be helpful diplomatically. it is clear that nuri al maliki is not one to share power. i don t believe we should own it to the extent we put a lot of military assets on the ground except to deal with the isil threat. i think in anticipation of some point try to improve the relationship with the sunni arabs, we should put our efforts in the relief for the populations caught in the crossfire of the looming civil war. mr. ambassador, thank you so much for your time. thank you. nice to be with you. that was ambassador joe wilson. we started with the headline on the cheney op-ed. the collapsing obama dock train. real americans don t call a sitting commander in chief weak. the redskins get sacked by the federal government, but while taking the trademark force the team to take their name? 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well, first of all, i think it is how do we see this? the fact is that when terrorists attack american targets, to me, in my view as a marine corps combat veteran, it is an act of war. the obama views it as a criminal act. as i view them as combatants. they should be held until there is cessation of belligerent activities. in 2003 or 2004 or 2005, i did not want to hear habeas corpus of gabe detainees. men have not been charged much less faced a trial. i guess, congress member, when we are out of iraq and about to get out of afghanistan, at some point, doesn t enemy combatant lose its resonance. if we are not at war with the countries, how can they be enemy combatants? you have to review that. it is. we are in a very different environment than we have ever historically been in. these are irregular forces that are sworn to a particular ideology and that are often not sponsored by any state. so, it is a difficult position. we are in a state of war. and the attack on our embassy in or our consulate in libya is a reflection of that. i think we have to recognize that and we have to recognize that these are not common criminals. counselor, mr. lewis, lindsey graham said the words you should never hear is the right to remain silent. why is graham incorrect? from has been this sense for all of these years that somehow our legal system is not up to the job after 225 years. terrorism has been around for a long time. the attack on the benghazi consulate is a terrible crime. our system can try it and punch it. since september 11th, there have been 500 people convicted of terror-related charges and they are serving sentences. two pleas and those were overturned on appeal. guantanamo bay and the military commissions have been a disaster legally and morally. the idea we cannot do a trial and we can t get information from defendants is just simply wrong. there is no support for it. guantanamo bay has become a symbol and political football. senator mccain and senator graham and president obama said guantanamo bay should be closed. years on with all of these people uncharged, that case is far, far stronger. congress member, isn t the big picture issue here with the war on terror, we will have a macro approach or sniper approach? whether we will invade a country like afghanistan or we will send in s.e.a.l. team 6 or do hold trials in federal court or lock these men up and throw away the key in a base like gitmo. isn t that the big picture question, congress member? well, i think there is a big picture question. i think the attack on benghazi was just referred by my counterpart as a terrible crime. it was a complex attack that involved mortars and automatic weapons and there was a well coordinated attack by a militia group against a u.s. target in an attack on a consulate or an embassy is through international legal standards considered an attack upon the soil of that country of the united states. in this case. we just have a very that comes down to the fundamental view. are these enemy combatants or is this criminal conduct? in my view, as a marine corps combat veteran, this is an attack on the united states and they are enemy combatants. mr. lewis, i think the arguments going against the route of federal court insinuates this is a weak approach. i was moved by the data i saw this week at the nyu law and security center to the observation you made. the federal court approach has been immensely successful. we have a 91% conviction rate. we have a legal system that has been proved through history to be adequate to the task. the military commissions haven t. you have to understand that guantanamo is filled now with men, many of whom have never been charged, because they have never done anything. you can pull them in there and yesterday, the house of representatives passed a bill to say don t let anyone out no matter what they did. you know, these men are deteriorating. i have client there is who are on hunger strike and being force fed. there are innocent people there. that is not the american way. you also have this week the bush era official in charge of giving legal opinions on law of war issues say that you cannot have a military commission try these men at guantanamo or anywhere else because under the statute that was passed in the bush administration, this is not defined as a war. it is defined as a crime. and the law doesn t support it. our legal system is not weak. our legal system is strong and it also sends a message out to the entire world that we are a country of laws. our laws will take care of these things. we don t need to declare the entire world has changed. we can pull people in and torture them. gentlemen, thank you. attorney eric lewis, congress member mike coffman. five seconds sir. very quick. sure. detainees in guantanamo have been taken off the battle field. we have found a high rate of residicm return to the terrorism. the best place for terrorists on trial. a new segment next that will tickle your political funny bone. and we will tell you about a technique to draw penalties about overreacting. should the u.s. team join them? 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[ thud ] visit tripadvisor rome. with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. one last thing, a recently released survey received extensive coverage from prominent media outlets nearly uniform in casting the information in an ominous light. the new york times said polarization is dividing american society not just politics. the washington post, in polarized united states, we live as we vote. and politico, polarization is highest in recent history. at the wall street journal, pew s president wrote his own analysis that ran under the headline the divided states of america. and bruce stokes offered his own take at cnn.com. this came under the headline is america dangerously divided? . and he began with this paragraph, if you thought that political polarization in america was bad, think again. because it s worse than you thought. and if you re under the impression that dysfunctionality in in washington is merely a part of partisan political gamesmanship on capitol hill, try again. because a new survey finds that divisions inside the beltway actually reflect a deep ideological divide within the u.s. public that manifests itself not only in politics but in everyday life. like the headlines that summary is billed upon the largest study of u.s. political attitudes ever undertaken by pew. but i don t buy it. where others see confirmation that the divide among americans is akin to that which separates those we elect, i m digesting data that offers hope in our need to get beyond gridlock. the undeniable bad news is that the number of partisans is on the rise. those among us with consistently conservative and consistently liberal views have doubled in the last two decades from 10% to 21%, meaning that one in five americans are now part of this consistent class of the electorate. better news is that four-fifths of the country are not in that grouping of ideological uniformity and partisan animosi animosity, a takeaway you d never know unless you peruse the survey. while ideological silos are noted on the right and the left, pew notes these sentiments are not shared by all, or even most americans. the majority do not have uniformity conservative or liberal views. most do not see either party as a threat to the nation and more believe their representatives in government should meet halfway to resolve contentious disputes rather than hold out for more of what they want. in other words, most americans are centrists. they d like to see compromise. of course, the pew data begs the question of why the composition of the congress much less the modern discourse doesn t reflect the majority voices. and the answer is lack of engagement or as the pew survey explained, many of those in the center remain on the edges of the political playing field relatively distant and distant engaged while the most ideologically oriented and politically rancorous, americans make their voices heard through greater participation in every stage of the political process. change will come only when partisans drive their participation. and political power rests in the center where rests is the operative word. that s it for me. see you back here next saturday. until then, have a great week. good morning, everybody. i m christi paul. i m victor blackwell. you re watching cnn newsroom. the first team of u.s. military advisers may soon be on the ground in iraq. they re heading there as bombs exploded in baghdad killing at least five people that we know of so far. the attacks followed a march of unity by thousands of iraqi shiites in the capital. president obama is sending in advisers to help what he says is a growest terrorist threat to iraq and the u.s. islamic militants are believed to be just 40 miles from baghdad. you see those red spots here. these are the gains that they ve made as they ve rapidly moved south from syria. let s bring in cnn s reporter. she s in the capital baghdad. nama, do we know who set off the bombs in baghdad today? might they be linked to these isis militants? reporter: police believe they do know who set off the bombs. they believe it is sunni extremists, definitely linked to isis and the broader militant group. this, of course, as you said comes on a day when thousands of shia have been rallying in the streets of baghdad and cities across iraq to show force and to show support for prime minister nuri al maliki and to show a broader shiite support base for the government. but these bombs that target specifically majority shia communities here in baghdad, they re sending a very definite message. and it s a message that is only ratcheting up the tensions in the capital, tensions that really have been strained by the reports that cnn is also
with steven colbert. we get help with experiments and treatments, which ones work. we just have to try things. john: let us experiment, that is our show tonight. john: this tv show is about ideas. but tonight i will bother with you my personal problem, my own life taught me a lesson about benefits of limited government. without so many rules, that does not prevent you from trying experiments. i can stand up right now, because, i have tried some experiments i can speak to you because i tried dozens of experiments. i ll conservative speaking first, i am a stut erica olsen, er. when i was a kid in school i i would stay silence in class, and avoid parties. i would hang up on the phone. now because of caller i.d., stutterers cannot do, that i got a job at a tv station, i never expected to go on tv when i did, i stuttered so badly i wanted to quit, i tried all kinds of therapies. all these experts said they could cure me, but they couldn t, until i got help from a clinic in roanoke, virginia that reteaches stutterers how to speak, that worked. i came out of treatment fluent. my speech is better than it used to be, i would play you my before and after tapes but they were lost in roanoke value, flood, we will look at someone else s before. the potential the p- portfoliop-pdifficultys. this one di guy invited my ia trip, it was supposed to be so romantic, he brings his mother. john: congratulations oil proving your speech, you are a model, and actress and having speaking parts now. yes, i have shot a lot of commercials and a film, i do a lot of work, which is awesome for hollywood. snow you also started a lot of experiments. i started speech class 8 years old, i tried all types of techniques, stretching every word together, i tried just talking into speaking out loud. talking to my dad. and then, went on. john: speaking of your dad, stutters runs in families, he stutters. my dad, my grand dad did. my cus ins do. cousins do, it has run in our family. john: about 5% of children go through some period of stuttering. most of them recover on their own. by late child hood. but about 1% do not. 4 times as many men as women, you are unusual that way. yes. i am one of few. john: and let s talk about this weird clinic we went to, it is really boring. it is. they slow us down, to two seconds per syllable to reteach us how to speak. this is about half a second per syllable. it takes a long time to have a conversation. but, they retaught us how to breathe and speak. that was one of the things that takes, awhile to understand, which we hear what a normal conversation is, from another person, and we. john: which is really very fast. we want to cop that s copy that, we re forcing words out rather than thinking how are we saying the word, and how our throat skpefrg works fo and eveg works for us. john: they put us in little rooms with a computer. now there is an app, i actually, before i go into every casting, i will hole my phone up, and hold my phone up and speak into the phone to make sure i talk clearly. john: to practice. to practice before every audition. john: we know how to speak correct khre, thaly. lear are othelee are stutters tt know were eufrbg tige. tiger woods was afraid to answer questions in school. a simple question of most frightening thing, if you can t speak it. john: shaquille o neal, teacher used to call on students in chat, i would sit there saying please don t call me. me. you know this guy. the most debilitating thing, people, hard to ask you to go to the prom, they look at you, they say this must be a he must be an idiot. john: well i have my own political opinion, but. he went on to say that in latin classes, his name nam nickname s joe impedementa . he said he helped himself by standing in the mirror, and quoting yates skpeupler son and. and samuel jackson? he talks about, we know how he swears a lot, he will say a swear word with the actual word hements to say, that helps him speak clearly. but marilyn monroe also did, i read into a lot of her work, she she would sit in the back of class, he said tha everything very sloy with a lot of breathiness. john: thank you fire dawson we learned from our experimenttation. the therapy that helped her, helped me, had no government sale of approval. it was relatively new, and untested, if it had to get government approval, she and i might never have been helped. it is still illegal for that clinic to offer to people in other states, america has so many rules that limit innovations, licenses rules in that case, remember the king s speech, it told a true story how king of england good help for his stuttering by going do an unlicenseed expert. my physician said, it relaxes the throat. they are idiots. they have all been knighted. it makes it official then. john: at first, the king criticizeed his new speech therapist. ni training, no diploma, a greet deal of no. lock me in the tower. john: the king goes ahead with the therapy, and unlicensed therapist helped him. here is one other unlicenseed therapy, that is stranger but as an experiment i tried it, when a difference it ahead in my life. it made in my life, for years his crippleing back pain. i spend years on my back, doing phone interviews, whatever i thought lying down meeting less of a strain on my back, there was a report on my back pain i did years ago, i took x-rays to this doctor. i had real stuff, disk problems s a crack. yes, they are normal. john: normal? that is what that doctor said, he claimed movie of what orthopedists and other so-called experts say about back pain is wrong, i was skeptical, but he said, how come everyone got back pain after ulcers got cureed? back is a strong muscle, this is psychological, you don t have a physical problem, you have a psychological problem, he said, i resiveed that claim, but i resisted that claim, and i saw howard stern said my life of the filled with back pain until i applied dr. sarno s principles in a phaelter of week phaelter r of weeks my pain disappeared, we went to a lecture, then some other people he helped would speak out about highway they got rid of their pain by ignoring it. attending one lecture, and reading his book, changed my life, i still get back spasms but, i ignore them they go away. people come to me, i saw that youtube video of you with back pain, it changedn my life, it hard to believe a lecture or a book could change so much but it did for me, theory is another one who was here is another man who was once paralyzeed with back 59. >back pain. tuesday. width, day 6, thursday. this is day 7, i was stum there for weeks unable to move on the floor of my office, i called dr. sarno 92 in. john: that is michael golinsky. you were skeptical too, but desperate? i was skeptical but i had a basis for belief, my fa her read the book in 80s and had gotten better after having an ulcer, i read the book, i saw my father on the pages and my brother and myself. john: the doctor said i do a lousy job. if you believe that it is a physical problem, that is a distraction for repressedic motions that might come up, if you stick on that idea you will not get better, if you embrace the idea it is not a vehicle you rally problem it is not a structural problem you get rid of the fear,. john: emotion could be anger or agenagent. he said they are goodests, people who do good things for others, they would get up early to move their mother s car to make sure they don t get a ticket. john: my brother is a fancy harvard doctor they trust, he had similar back pain, he spend time hanging by his neck in the we re track device. i told him doctor sarno said, he was probably an angry man, and he said this. if anybody told me that was all in my head, my rage would not be rether repressed. what do you have to lose? why not go to sarno try it? there are a lot of ridiculous things that i could do that woeup work. john: it workedf me. i am not convinced. it does sound ridiculous but you read story after story it is not, sarno is now in his 90s he is no longer practicing. there are about 50 people who treat with this methodology, there is no licenseing structure, which is a good thing, ideas come and go by themselves. john: thank you michael golinsky. what do you think, would you try an experiment at treatment, give us your opinion on twitter. so, my back pain is mostly cureed. so it my stuttering, but, i am still not happy. i worry a lot. i wish i were happier, some people say, you just need a hug. here is a woman offering hugs in times square. you want a hug? i want a hug. john: actually want a hug a stranger? does this create happiness? another small experiment when we return. .so you say men are superior drivers? yeah? then how d i get this. 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[ kevin ] really? who wants a hug? john: what is this woman yelling about. anyone feeling bad, i have hugs for you. john: she is offering people hug therapy, people take her up on it. elmo. the woman is ricky ratliff, one of my producers, i asked her to do this there is a theory that hugging makes you and them more trusting more willing to cooperate with people, and happier. i feel great. i feel better too, it s weird. john: i asked my produceer to do that because, i didn t want to do it our show title is let us experiment, hugging strangers in times square is not my kind of experiment. but, paul zach is easier to do it, he has done versions of if there are last 14 years, why? we wonder idea prosperity lives in some countries not other, we studied role of trust, we wanted a biological basis for why we trust strangers. john: because of a chemical in our body? it functions to cause us to resip kate, almost always. you are nice to me, i am nice to you. john: my hugging people, people release more of that hormone. oxyto since. john: makes people happier. and healthier, and promoteing cooperation, without anybody telling us we have to. john: you try to do a scientific experiment with this in america, america said no. we did our first study in europe, and now have gotten fda approval a backdoor method for oxitosin instution studies in u.s., for a given environment why would you trust me? i would not, you some are weirdo with a drug. and a crazy white coat, we did it recall of time, but if we don t the economy crashs, unless we have someone telling us what to do we have to create opportunity to create wealth, and country with high trust we see higher prosperity, greater happiness, and greater well being issue unless we use the drug in u.s. we could not she the causeing a. john: now more than 10,000 papers of oxytauzin. right,y and radio been involved in clinical trials, let s try to discover something new. now, some people in types square, did not want the full frontal hug of strangers, so she tried an experiment. here is the appropriate stranger side hug, if you want to feel better, you want your oxytauzin level to increase i have to go full frontal. no, you are a stranger. stranger danger. john: all kinds of people are happy to hug. you i refuseed handshakes for 5 years. john: high produceer got full frontal hugs from dozens of strangers, some people ran to her. she is running. she is running. we re doing this. so, i am in middle of my hug experiment. and i am probably about 40 hugs in. i have hugged min, and hugged women, and hugged children. the men i have hugged they hug he too tightly, my dad is watching not going to appreciate this. oh, he is coming in he is going in here for the kill. oh,. i file better. i feel fantastic. maybe dr. love on to something. john: data show this makes people happy, but scientificly, oxytauzin how? we en fuse it into the nose it gets into brain after an hour we show a causal relationship between the ocyen to ienie the . do you want to dry? sure. i am required to wear a white coat, okay, take a deep breath. this will me melt the barrier between and you anyone you see. here is another experiment you gave people the oxytauzin spray, and showed them this video, call it the cancer kid video. a research center used to raise money. who do you see? ben is dying, there are no words to describe how it feels to know that your time is limited. john: people who got the spray gave more money. the video itself causes about a 50% increase in oxotocin. well one weird experiment after the other, thank you dr. paul zach, we ll see how i feel at the end of the show, up next more experiment with other stossels. john: do you get anxious often? i do, i worry i will stutter on tv, i worry that my tv ratings will go down, and fox will fire me, but whatever anxious experiment i have, is not compareed to my nephew scott. john and his nephew are joining us. john: scott and i appeared on fox and friends, he wrote this best setter, so, scott, sorry you are anxious but congratulation on having a bestseller, which i am ticked off about. because it i think out selling my last book. thank you but your ratings are higher than mine, i m sure. john: you are that anxious, you can write this book, and most of us did not know. people with panic disorder, have hav fear about having 4 any exposed. you project to outward look the calm and conconfidence and calm but that contributed to the anxious you are trying to keep that house of cards in tact, everyone will see me for weak, pathetic 18 shoes person they am. yet, here you are. on this show, and that just, promote age of. i would rather be buried in a sar coff full of rats and snakes than diped into cheese. no cheese. you are g good with velveeta. not even velveeta. you drug yourself up to do a tv show like that. i do. john: i am your uncle, do you have to take something today. less than i would to contend with colbert. what do you take? i will do a take a xanax or, if a high stakes one. don t try this at home, i will combine that with small amounts of alcohol. john: have you run off the stage? why would you want to do this you torture yourself. it has been therapeutic doing this public speaking on a regular basis. john: you are trying different techniques, you have tried a million techniques, predescribed drugs, psycho therapy, more drugs, nothing worked or all worked or some things worked? some have worked a little, nothing has fundamentally cureed the underlying dis order or stamped out the anxious uness. certain things work for different times. john: for other people, some get help. it is hard to predict, one never knows, in general, for any given treatment, one-third of people will get better could one third will get better for a short period of time and relapse, and one third it will not help at all, but you cannot tell in advance, which one third will be affected by which treatment. john: go try stuff. yep. john: tha see what works. you can feel like a guinea pig. john: a picture of you, that came out with atlantic article that you did, you feel miser in, i was not a happy kid either. it is a stossel trait, but this was you being anxious. on vacation in bermuda, i was 10 years old, i was unhappy, we had to go to dinner, and it made me nervous. john: if my brother made he dress that way in per mudea i can see bermuda, i can see why. i have a recollection of a thanksgiving dinner, i was nervous about a stomach agee ache, you were kind and consoleing to me, as i paced back and forth,. john: a picture of and you me at my wedding your sister who isal al al al al anxious that makes people say it could run in the family. thank you scott stossel, coming up more stossel trying crazy experiments that is wrong with us or maybe it is not wrong. we never thought we d be farming wind out here. it s not just building jobs here, it s helping our community. siemens location here has just received a major order of wind turbines. it puts a huge smile on my face. cause i m like, this is what we do. the fact that iowa is leading the way in wind energy, i m so proud, like, it s just amazing. 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[ back-up beeping, honking ] a truckload of discounts for your business now, that s progressive. john: this show is about the beauty of trying experiments in life, let us experiment? my immigrant parents did not teach me, that says these are the rules of america. join a company, that is the route to success. but i have learned there are many other ways, maybe they are better. this group of young entrepreneurs has concludeed that. rod runs several businesses, inkpwhraouding this one that sells tickets to early morning dance partie parties. john: alec left school to talk his way. this is my son max. so. you frighten me because you are living an experiment. i am. i have jumped head first into the start up world that appealed to me, because of much of what i beforeed from my loving father. people are responsible for their own money, their own what they are building is what you see good results, that has driven ni these passionate people and great ideas. john: you live with some people are you doing start ups work i paid big bucks to help send you to fancy college. where have you learned more in two years since you graduateed or 4 years of the college? i think been 4 since graduation, but in those 4 years, learned so much more from the work force than school. i question whether i would send my own kids to college. john: you quit a job to try these experiment. a company that scans yore body for moles and send its to doctors. yes, dermatologisting rec mean you draw mole maps of your body. and feedback? turns every customer interaction into an experiment, we have the smartphones every time a business interacts with a customary that data walks out the door, we capture that. and ocho. an earnings percent. exper. ech.openocho makes everyone a br videographer. i wish you luck. now, irk rad a had erada you had a bunch of successes, the early morning dan thing people get up at 6 a.m. and go to a 7 a.m. dance party. all of us are looking for exciting ways to continue night life mentalty, but, a wholesome away. so, we said what if we start this experiment and lauren a early morning party called daybreaker, they break the day a 7 a.m. and mix and ming wel like minded entrepreneurs or artists. john: people pay 20 a head. 25 a head. it is growing. it is growing. we get calling from new delhi, tel aviv, japan, tokyo. john: if you think erada looks familiar her twin sister was once on the show, they started a be called super sprout promoteing vegetables to kids. my favorite vegetable is broccoli. because it makes me super strong, what is your super power. john: no kids will eat a vegetable because he does that. you wouldn t tell me if you would not playing with carat over here, wo would not think at eating a vegetable, colby carrot is good for your eyes, kids learn through stories and super powers why vegetables are good for you, is a very big success. i don t believe this. in cafeteria lunc lunchrooms, we wrapped them with art work, gave lunch laids hand puppets to remind kids to eat their super powers. they measures before and after, there was a 2 50% increase in children eating vegetables because of our program. john: alex, he said you are one of the most experimen experimen, you left college to go work, and you talked your way on to the price of right. i have never seen a full episode before going on. i pull an all nighter, before a final exam, figure out how the show works realize there is a loophole in statistic, focus by merge on that, won the showcase showdown, won a sailboat, sold the boat, that is how i funded my book. your book, you interview famous people, and you have gotten in lady gaga. and bill gates? well, not easy. john: keep writing e-mails. no, so there are some ways you can experiment, i have done cold e-mail its works and i have done cold e-mailing does not work, i have chased people down the sidewalk. peter grouper. you were a stalker? you know what difference between a stalker and me? intendtion. one thing you guys do with a dozens of your other friends experiments is burning man in the desert, what is that points? have you all these people coming to one place, they build these remarkable art pieces, in the en it is burned down, it is all about the process not the outcome, that is different from the world we live in. thank you, max, erada, alex and super sprout. next. smartest stossel of the family, no, it is not me. a body at rest tends to stay at rest. while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, this can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain, and improve daily physical function so moving is easier. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain. and it s not a narcotic you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen, naproxen and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all may increase the chance of heart attack or stroke, which can lead to death. this chance increases if you have heart disease or risk factors such as high blood pressure or when nsaids are taken for long periods. nsaids, like celebrex, increase the chance of serious skin or allergic reactions, or stomach and intestine problems, such as bleeding and ulcers, which can occur without warning and may cause death. patients also taking aspirin and the elderly are at increased risk for stomach bleeding and ulcers. don t take celebrex if you have bleeding in the stomach or intestine, or had an asthma attack, hives, other allergies to aspirin, nsaids or sulfonamides. get help right away if you have swelling of the face or throat, or trouble breathing. tell your doctor your medical history. and ask your doctor about celebrex. for a body in motion. could help your business didavoid hours of delaynd test caused by slow internet from the phone company? that s enough time to record a memo. idea for sales giveaway. return a call. sign a contract. pick a tie. take a break with mr. duck. practice up for the business trip. fly to florida. win an award. close a deal. hire an intern. and still have time to spare. go to comcastbusiness.com/ checkyourspeed if we can t offer faster speeds - or save you money - we ll give you $150. comcast business. built for business. john: let us experiment. here is result of one. a scientist discovered how your cells crawl. here is video of a white blood cell, chasing after germs. the smaller black dots there. white blood cell kraeul crawls d chases until, finally it eats the bacteria. grabs it and eats it, hurray. this is why you are not dead, person who discovered how this works, happens to be my brother, dr. tom stossel, how many lives have you lengthened with this. not one. made mo difference. none. you kept experimenting. absolutely. in doing this you sometimes work with drug companies, pharmaceutical companies. and by technology companies that is only way yo it can be d. john: i m told that is a horrible conflict of interest, a har is harharvard researcher yoo get information and drug companies want to make money. true, i want information, drug companyments to make money, and everyone benefits. john: you say there is a war against this. the conflict of interest mania. mania? it has no substance. it is just made up. it is taking what is normal competition, normal controversy. and turning it into a witch-hunt. john: are not there cases where researchers doctor their work, to sell drug, drug companies push drugs that are not good for us? turley there are not, all of cases are scientis scientific t, fraud, they had nothing to do with the industry, this is just people trying too like you researchers trying to advance their own career. or reason you can t fathom, success in science is when other people can produce your work. stuff you make up, people cannot reproduce. john: i am seeing these conflict of interests, a graph that shows how they increased. and titles of the stories are funny, bad farm amoney driven medicine, the big fix. sex, lives and pharmaceuticals. it is convincing . i want to make sure and you your partnership with say biogen is not selling me a drug that is bad. it is superficially plus able, people plu plausible, people cheat for money, it takes enormous resources to get those products to people, medicine is incredibly better today than what i starred out, it is too bad the medical products industry, have let themselves be blamed for bad things they did not do. they have let doctors, hospitals, medical journals, medical schools take credit for the good they have done, they are all important 92 i thought that is where innovation came from, from scooting and government funded research. i have had government funded resafrp mresearch my life. itit imp gets product to patients comes from private sector, only they have resourceing and skill sets to get the job done. john: you worked with a company, biogen, a picture of the board with wearing their beanie hat. this turned your head? this folks wearing beanies they were world class scientists nobel prize winners, wok individua oneindividual in pat died last year, ken murray, and his work led to what is now the hepatitis va vaccine, and this s hugely important. the way he was paid, is now forbidden, he got stock options that is now illegal? that is correct. if he does research he did, to develop the hepatitis vaccine, he could not have had the stock, he would not have done it. john: thank you, tom, and next, just what is this show about? why are there so many stossels here? i will try to tie this together. next. fighting constipation by eating healthier, drinking plenty of water, but still not getting relief? try dulcolax laxative tablets. dulcolax is comfort-coated for gentle, over-night relief. dulcolax. predictable over-night relief you can count on. beautiful, awesome, messy kids. they get stains like you wouldn t believe. this new tide ultra stain release & zap cap helps me get out pretty much any stain. can i help? 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action taken against him. he was treated for injuries which occurred on saturday. and, and this is big, officer wilson did not know the teenager was a robbery suspect before his run in with him on saturday night. we were thinking it was the same officer who handled the robbery as was involved in the shooting. that is not the case. there were two separate officers. this robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and michael brown. so, why did this wilson initiate contact with brown in the first place? chief jackson said the officer was in the area coming off a sick case and stopped him because the teen was blocking traffic. moments ago the brown family attorney said that they still want answers because it doesn t make sense if he didn t know he was involved in the robbery then why did he stop him, did he have probable cause? we heard from the chief and we believe that certainly and the rest of the world sees it for what it is worth the pictures that were released and the video has nothing to do with what and how he was killed. that s very important. that people understand that and see it for what it s worth. still more questions than there are answers. six days later people are wondering why the police would release that surveillance footage in the stop and shop or in the store and bring up this alleged stealing of cigars. why do you think the police did that six days later? of it to make sure they had all the information, or i was just reading some blogs, they are doing this to taint brown. my instinct is to taint brown. the other thing if you follow this thing, they were supposedly blocking foot traffic, she was walking with his friend the officer moved him over to where he s standing and the kids had his hands up according to a number of witnesses. if that s true and then he shot him then this officer has a real problem. the other thing that s amazing to me i understand a lot of blacks don t want police officers in that area and it s 80% or 90% white officers, but the elected officials are all white in that area so that s very unique. i can think of another place in the country where you have such a large minority population and no, i mean no elected officials that are minority. greg, we still don t have answers to what happened that night. i think we do have to bear with the police on some level because they have been busy quelling these riots. it s tough to get the investigation going when there s a dangerous situation in ferguson. an assessment can only be made once you have all the facts and we re not there. i think because of the media treat these stories, it feels like life should be an episode of law and order where it follows a distinct pattern with dramatic interalludes of music and then at the end everything is wrapped up. it s not that way. the interesting point about this footage is that cameras end all ambiguity. we see this footage in the convenience store and it tells us something. imagine if you had that kind of footage between the police officer and brown later. cameras equal justice, cameras equal peace and footage clears the fog and i think we need to think about that, you know, because as you see more facts, it takes the black and white and makes it gray which is the way life is. a lot of people are trying to make this, dana, about black and white and about race. bob points out there are racial divisions in this town. i want to talk to you about the release of this information and what your take is from a press perspective. so six days later you have this surveillance footage released but it only was what? a couple of hours ago, four hours after that video was released that we learned from the police chief, four hours later that this police officer had no idea he was involved in the robbery. why would they stagger them like that? the only thing i can imagine is that this is not something that the ferguson pr department, ferguson county, the police department is used to doing. these types of crisis communication things, the reason you have crisis communication staffers is because they are experienced in releasing information. maybe we ll find out there was a nefarious reason to release the tape. the tape was going to come out at some point whether it was released by the police officers or owners of the business. at some point we were going to find out more about michael brown. at some point that was going to come. i also think, bob, to your point there s one other statistic we haven t talked about. public high school graduation rate is about 69.8%. that s not good enough. when you talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations it s in a community like that where school choice, reform if you start at the beginning of somebody s life and i think there s probably a lot of agreement on that then maybe you get to a point where you have police officers from that community, from all walks of life that are able to make it on the force. right now they are not there. i imagine you have to have at least a high school degree to be on the police force. or ged equivalent. a lot of people are frustrated and i get that because you look at this surveillance footage today and stealing a pack of cigarettes does not warrant somebody getting killed so you can imagine the outrage there. but everybody is up in arms, these rioters, civil rights leaders, nobody knows what happened after that what went down. i booked kevin johnson, jackson, i m sorry because i wanted him, he was the one who was saying keep calm let s get the facts. i talked to him. this information came out. i ve been watching this stuff nonstop. this police chief thomas jackson from ferguson, at one point did say that the officers there were responding because there was a call they were doing the sick call. there was a robbery at the convenience store and they were responding. at one point he said that. i heard him say that. whether or not he back tracked on it the second time, i m just baffled. taking it one step further and releasing this video that he says quote i ve been sitting on for six days and then releases the name darren wilson, i have a hard time saying this ferguson police department has bungled this thing and the basis for a lot of the angst in ferguson. captain ron johnson kept the peace last night. he kept the peace. i m sure he s scratching his head how am i supposed to handle this when the ferguson police department is listen, i think they are screwing it up. they need to sit down, get together, this is what happened, we ll be as transparent as we can, if we listen to the brown attorneys and family and ask for calm and peace but here s all the information instead of this piecemeal release what they want to do and the way they are doing it is terrible. i wouldn t necessarily critique them releasing the video a couple of days later. rudy giuliani would wait a few days to put out the video. you make a good point, eric, it has been all over the place. why would they release a video and hours later this huge revelation that the officer had no idea. which is opposite of what he had said earlier. this morning he said, i ve been listening to this stuff for days. at one point words came out of that police chief, he said they were responding because there was a robbery at a convenience store. they were on another call. if you make that leap and hear those words, you are saying those officer left the sick call to respond to the convenience store and on the way there s a suspect that matches the description, he had said the description was put out over the radio of the convenience store hold up or whatever it is, theft. so he kind of implied and he may have even said it, but he implied that was the suspect they were looking for. now all of a sudden he back tracked this afternoon and said it was all about blocking traffic. al sharpton has been on the scene. he s been making comments. he says we re not out of this yet. take a listen. let s not act like we solved the problem because we ve now had the cop marching with the marchers. we still have an unarmed young man that was killed. we re not out of this yet. we even haven t had the funeral. what happens when these kids see their friends laying in the casket. i ve been through this more than one time. we re not out of the emotions because we all of a sudden had one good night of marching. greg, we asked this question earlier, he may be exactly right we re not out of this yet because nobody knows what happened still. when he weighs on it does it hurt situations like this. whenever you discuss al sharpton you have to preface it with al sharpton s history. freddy s fashion mart which ended in a dnumber of deaths. the hoax that should never should be forgotten about this char charlatan. there s a number of sober voices drowning out sharpton. if he cared he would stay away because he harms the cause. when he shows up everyone moves away from him. he s like the stinky guy on the subway. his stench is his history. we re getting somewhere and when you see people like johnson, finally there are people you can listen to and you re getting away from the charlatans. for sharpton to say we had one good night of marching, the fact is they had many good nights of marching. rioters were out there not part of the march. you want to say to al al thought it was one good night, probably wished it wasn t a good night. almost as if you re saying, all the rest of the marches were riots but we had one good night. maybe we ll get back to riots. that s not the case. there s a very small percentage number of people that committed these acts of violence. it s tough to differentiate because there s peaceful marches and then the riots. you look up al sharpton is weighing in. he s contributing to this. maybe he s not contributing to it at all. it s a great point about al sharpton being marginalized. for the first time within this last year when he has spoken most people has gone oh, god not him again. ? just us talking about him. he get as lot of media attention. one thing this community will be doing next and the sober voices that you mentioned are the ones that have to look at this from a short, medium and long term perspective. the short term we re not out of the woods. medium is calm the situation down. medium term they have to have a transparent investigation and need a communicator that is disciplined enough not release information that they are not prepared to fully release so they don t have problems like today which undermine the confidence. in the long term a question of can that community pull together to deal with not only the shooting and the peaceful protest and rioting but what you saw in the videotape. when you re a small business owner, if you re sympathetic to the business owner, why would the business owner want to be there. that s why i think there s three things that need happen simultaneously but they are not all on the track. one more thing. when you release the information and you re transparent, when you get it, when it s ready and not been sitting on it you prevent things going on one of the worst things that have happened besides the death of michael brown. twice a group released the name of the officer. so they released this name and it wasn t him. then the second time we heard when the morning press conference, the officer s name darren wilson was released they were posting pictures of the wrong darren wilson who happens to be another cop in st. louis. you eliminate all this stuff. open and transparent. these people are probably hurt now. the other thing is we re guilty of it as every other network. the only video we re running is either glass being broken and people rioting a small percentage and we ve seen at least six times so far this kid being thrown out of this convenience store. now that is a part of the story. that s true. but it is a small part of the story, and they are making it to be the story. and i think people out there better under just because we run video of this stuff because we have nothing else to run what else would you run peaceful marchers. how is that for an idea. that was on tv today. we saw calm. we woke up this morning, calm night thanks to ron johnson. i m talking about the two nights in a row where they had town meetings where people didn t get up and yell. you can move beyond that microcosm to the macro level of stories in general. the priority and proportion of stories are changing. we don t even talk about mh-17 the ukrainian plane. robin williams came and went in a flash. isis. nigerian girls due to a desire for novelty. news is almost like pornography, disposal, replaceable. this story will be replaced by something else next week. that s the way it rolls. the hottest footage, the rioting and surveillance video gets rolled over. up ahead there s a lot of debate about the militarization of police in america following the response to the protests in ferguson. we ll debate 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[ male announcer ] polident. great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle, see how much you could save. it s the new outrage the militarization of the police. is all that gear out of proportion to the fear? yes and no. yes, in that i question sniper rifles pointed at the peaceful and camo is odd. riots, you need riot gear. you can t stop anarchy with a stern look. weeks ago people praised the dome. the dome is incoming rockets as body armor is to molotov cocktails. i bet businesses didn t mind the arrival of this calvary. but i get the libertarian take. their response is always don t. never do. which is great as a small government addict i m a huge fan of don t it s why i want a program, a robot to say no and then run for president. but incidents like these are chaotic. no police officer wants to beat someone, tussle over a gun or resort to deadly force. so maybe it s better to look stairy than be scary. you don t need a sniper rifle to maim or kill. example a retired cabbie in his 70s knocked out for no reason. example, a pregnant woman knocked out for no reason. example, the harmless jeffrey badgett, a punch in the head for no reason. the pentagon transferred half a billion just this year of equipment, 2013, it all came from afghanistan and iraq. is it a good thing that it s used? does it make sense? does it have any place in a civilian context. i ve been watching this debate for a few years because people have been sounding the alarm for a long time, mostly from the far right or on the libertarian side saying why would any police community need this. now this is far fetched but i ll mention something. we talked about ebola last week and the concern what happens if it spread. when i was involved in an exercise where we did this simulation of if there was a pandemic flu what would happen if you had to close down a border in a state and need to contain that in a state or if people were clamoring for the one cure and it was only in georgia and everybody was trying to get there. it seems far fetched and seems over the top, i don t think it was needed in this case, but do police departments need some type of heavy equipment? i would argue yes. that s the problem. for peaceful protests, no, but for rioting, how can you deny the body armor. look what happened when ron johnson walked with the protesters without a helmet, without a vest. he calmed things down. so the theory is, use equal force, use equal defense with the amount of force you ll see. i love the idea of using half a billion dollars that we spent giving it to s.w.a.t. teams around the country. i just don t think they should be deployed for peaceful protests, okay, rioting, looting, cops can handle that. they can handle it with tear gas. they don t need be there on top of those big amphibious vehicles with guns looking down. i back the police but an equal response or appropriate response. bob, the senate will review the militarization of the police in the defense bill. do you think this will change anything? not really. i think you got all this excess equipment and they will put it some place. police departments who get it feel the need to use it. having said that, and sort of hard to put yourself in the position of a minority in a community like that but it feeds into their view of what the police are like. you see these people coming down the street with these camouflage things and s.w.a.t. rifles saying there they are, there s the cops they are after us. i think that first of all, the idea there was rioting, there were break ins and even burnings of buildings that s true. but the vast majority of the people were not involved in that and there was no reason to bring out the patton and his army. bob, there s some businesses that were grateful that they were there because it prevented it from spreading. maybe that s so. if i m a business i suppose i could say that. if i was there to peacefully protest and i saw that crowd coming down the street it would get me angry. over 20 years violent crime has dropped. 42.8%. little do with this. doesn t this make look weirder the fact that it s calmer but you still have this camo clad sniper look. i m less worried about the guys in fatigues and military guns and rifles and all that equipment. because i m not on the ground there. i m assuming if they make the decision to use this type of armor it s because they definitely need it. but i think it s probably more of a pr issue. bob makes a good point you see these people coming down the street. i want doesn t look good. i m assuming they don t care if it looks good it s better than a dead cop which is what they are trying to prevent. however, there is an argument to be made that certain police forces, not all like the nypd has become part of its citizenry, some police fors have not and view the citizens as the enemy. more and more and that s why there are more libertarians coming out of the wood work. more and more police fundraisers are seeing the citizenry as the enemy. collecting license pilates. looking at people, do they have their seat belt on. people are feeling intimidated by the police lately and they shouldn t be acting this way. it s become the modern ethos of certain police departments. very good point. on that note next president obama has declared victory in iraq to rescue christian refugees from isis but many remain trapped. should the u.s. be heading out? later, facebook friday, almost forgot. my favorite thing. send in your questions to facebook.com/thefivefnc. in new york state, we re changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we ve created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it s not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov yesterday president obama emerged from vacation to declare our mission in iraq to rescue yazidis a success. the bottom line the situation on the mountain has greatly improved. because of these efforts we do not expect additional operation to evacuate people off the mountain and it s unlikely we ll need to continue humanitarian air drops on the mountain. but the yazidis, minority kurdish officials say many remain trapped and help is still needed to battle isis. retired four star general jack king said the u.s. needs to figure out a strategy against this growing terror network. take a listen. has the initiative. they are attack right now in six different locations inside iraq, also attacking in syria and lebanon. this is an organization that s ambitious, has competent leadership and very determined. the fact of the matter they are destabilizing the middle east. we desperately need a strategy. and this just in from iraq officials, they say isis has just now massacred 80 yazidis in a northern iraqi town. those were the people we were going in to help. one of the concerns i have when the president came out yesterday is it felt very premature and look learn from previous mistakes. don t declare victory radiate especially when the next day 80 yazidis are killed by isis. does the president even care that it looks like they are behind the eight ball? first i would say 80 is a pretty good number for a jv squad. it s shocking president obama wouldn t as you point out not learn of past mistakes from past administrations because he was very critical for your boss using mission accomplished. this to me sound like mission accomplished. it s apples and oranges. to say our job here is done. he s made comments about terrorism before, al qaeda being decimated. if defeating or obliterating the goal which he doesn t seem to be making that point we re far from that. he s allowing an evacuation war yazidis. if the goal is to save christians or save the yazidis this administration is a little too late. there have been major ethnic cleansing in any region that isis controls that have christian, in iraq and syria. this administration is way too late to the game. my question is what is the mission. what are we doing? is it obliterating isis. is it saving the yazidis? is it the both. it s not helping eater of those two goals. i talked to some geopolitical experts today that said what their biggest concern not only is isis a brutal organization but they are very good operationally. this is not the keystone cops of suicide bombers. these are people we should consider a very worthy adversary. take that and add in the fact they stole $1.2 billion from an iraqi bank. this one they are stealing oil, iraqi i ll pipelines selling it, raising $3 million a day going into that group. if you know anything about these terrorist groups you re more likely to get more people joining up when you re paying them well. you re outfitting them well. you re giving them guns, cell phones. this group, ain t the jv and will only get stronger unless you cut off the funding. first and foremost protect those oil fields. greg you have some history living in britain and they talk about the former british prime minister nevell chamberlain after he met with hitler. if you tell isis they might keep you alive for comic relief. on foreign policy obama is like a shower head in a cheap hotel, very, very weak. we do not have the luxury of deciding when america can sit out in a quarter of a game of good versus evil because evil never sits out. there s no such thing as half measures. our military never loses if you give them the option of winning. if they have a mission and told the mission they will go in there dynasty and relish it. but you just can t do drop, drop, drops. interesting, bob, a few congressional members were asking to be brought back from recess so they could vote on something we were talking about in the green room. do you think the president will at some point going to have to go to congress and say i need to reverse course and i need your authorization to do so. in fairness to the president, he was talking about the people as refugees on the mountains. even the ngos say that the pressure has been released on they people and they are out of the mountains. what he s talking about isis what they did today in that town is horrible, but when you have not there you can be a jv and kill 80 people when you have no military there. where is the gutless iraqi military that we trained so well? it doesn t matter. it doesn t matter? foreign policy managed, designed to manage a news cycle. this is why there s no strategy. the only thing president obama wants to avoid is the headline that says isis slaughters women and children. that s all he wants to do. he knee jerks to manage the news cycle. there was a policy in two administrations including obamas. they are gutlessly running with our equipment and leaving it behind. we put our money on maliki, he s a crook, he s a bum and finally got out. you don t think the president had anything to do with maliki s re-election in 2010. you said it was a fair and open election. bob, you re making my point. where did maliki come from? maliki won an election, won a re-election in 2010. where did he come from? when was he considered to to iraq. this is the weirdest academic exercise we re having this week. why? i can agree with you. the iraqi army is not up to par. okay, fine. now you of a all of these isis terrorists that are overrunning the country. you say there s no strategy. the strategy was to make these guys a strong army. if they can t take these guys on they are gutless and the strategy of your administration and my administration failed. we have to do something about it. get rid of maliki and people like that who was put in there before obama was elected. and he was re-elected in 2010. we re looking forward to answering your questions. what can i do with my $7 a month android plan from tracfone? 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[ male announcer ] unbeatable nationwide coverage, no contract. for a limited time, save $50 on the samsung galaxy centura. now just $79.99. tracfone. do everything for less. time for facebook friday. we ll get right to it. first two questions are for bob. first up. bob, did you attend woodstock 45th anniversary today by the way. did i attend the anniversary? no. did i attend it yes with my brother it was terrible. it was rainy and acid was bad. good lord. also, bob, my wife and i are having our first child in december. what tip can you give a soon to be dad? well, i would hope maybe in your position hire a nanny. i would do that. if not, i certainly would just keep in mind that you better get used to a smell that will linger for at that long, long time. if you invite people from the outside in warn them at the door inside baby. dana, were you a member of a sorority during college and if so which one. i think there was one fraternity at our school. it was not known as a party school. any fun activities. there was silver saddles, i think. country western dancing. you were in the speech club. yeah. speech team. of course. did you do square dancing. no square dancing but i did go you were in silver saddles. i went to silver saddles. what is silver saddles. it s a restaurant, a bar. she danced for tips. i did not. do you follow any sports? do i follow anything? not really. i m like a buffet. i sample. football hostess. i feel so traumatized from the last block. for greg, are you working on another book? yes, i am, as a matter of fact. i am. is dawn d. your publicist? i can t say what is it because it s a surprise. it s brilliant. it s going to change the way you think and also dress and smell. all right, for greg from michael, is greg really into punk music as much as i hope he is. it changed my life when i got the clash and six pistols and the ramons, i shaved my head, i dressed like an idiot and did that for four years. what changed? it changed music. everything you listen to is somewhat influenced bipartisan that music. why did you shave your head. i got it cropped. it didn t change the way you smell. exactly. from jill, andrea, i was born in allentown, pennsylvania. what do you miss most about living there? i miss the pennsylvania dutch food. i miss the quiet. i miss the cheap prices. don t knock allentown. greg and i both lived in allentown. i missed the peace and quiet and everybody is really nice and the prices are really low. king george hotel the chicken lounge we talked about this before. the pied piper. this was for andrea also. what s your favorite exercise and why? i get this same question. my favorite exercise, i would say probably running. what s so funny about that. i was going to guess. you sicko. not that. i thought aerobics or yoga. eric, this is from christine, if you had to change occupations what would you do? i would be in politics. do you have an announcement to make? no, do i not. will you do it on this show. it was baseball, trading, tv and the next thing would be politics. if you had same one. eric i love your watch. who is your jeweller? my wife is my jeweller. she bought eight for me. that thing weighs about 30 pounds. we got to go. my fool of the week and a programming note we ll be back here tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern. a lot of unrest in missouri. don t miss that. we ll be back in just a minute. 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access to military equipment and who have indicated a willingness to die for their cause. this is a manage who appeared in an isis propaganda video on friday. the administration estimates that of the 15,000 foreign fighters who have gone to syria to fight, 4,000 of them have gone to europe. president obama is slated to chair a u.n. security council meeting. it s only the second time that a u.s. president has done so. the french became the first u.s. ally to carry out air strikes in iraq, late today an isis splinter group in algeria announced the lease of a hostage. the president s entire national security team advised him three years ago to arm the syrian rebels. i think the president s concern, and i understand it, was that he had a fear that if we started providing weapons, we wouldn t know where those weapons would wind up. my view was you have to begin somewhere. in retrospect now, was not arming the rebels at that time a mistake? i think that would have helped. and i think in part, we paid a price for not doing that in what we see happening with isis. reporter: the so-called islamic state continues it s march capturing 60 iraqi troops in the falluja area, while the debate over boots on the ground continues in the u.s. secretary of state john kerry tried to explain to the senate foreign relations committee last week how nearly 1,200 u.s. troops in iraq don t constitute combat troops, a marketedly different tone than when kerry appeared in 2001 oppose this country has not been able to see that there s absolutely no difference between a ground troop and a helicopter crew, and yet people have accepted a differentiation fed to them by the administration. what the administration is trying to communicate, is that we re not going to send battalions, we re not going to send brigades, but there will have to be according to the mission the president has assigned, some american boots on the ground and in harm s way. this is the first time the administration has acknowledged some of the american foreign fighters are now back in the u.s. up until now the president and senior members of his cabinet said repeat dpli that there s no evidence that s sis poses an immediate threat to the homeland. all along there have been questions about president obama s level of enthusiasm for the isis effort. tonight senior political analyst brit hume to talk about that. there is an internationally respected case to be made that the united states should do nothing or next to nothing to destroy the terrorist force known as isis. it goes something like this. despite it s beheadings and it s threats, isis should be seen as a meld any strategy to defeat isis that relies solely on airpower can certainly make things harder for isis fighters, but it takes ground troops to dislodge occupies from territory. their introduction, especially in sere ja would be a throw of the dice against utterly unpredictable odds. in the middle east, a historic upheaval should be permitted to run its course, not because things will turn out well but it s unlikely that american military force can make things turn out better. i don t buy this argument, but it would appear that president obama does. he felt his hand was forced to by the public s outrage and alarm over those videotaped beheadings so he came up with a strategy for isis s eventually defeat, which is not designed to fail. what about the politics of this, even looking forward to 2016, you have these comments now by former defense secretary leon panetta, you have former president bill clinton weighing in as well, what this means political politically? you mean that the president took the wrong course with syria and else where? i don t think the go men are expressing what they thought and feel. what they think of this, particularly when hillary clinton s doubts are made part of what they re saying, that this tends to distance her from this policy which is going so badly at the moment and obviously has some political consequences. all right, brit, as always, thank you. you bet. another fox news alert now. authorities say a man who breached white house security over the weekend had something of a portable armory in his vehicle. peter doocey has details. hollywood makes it hard to break into the white house, but for omar gonzalez, it was easy, because the front door was unlocked. shortly after entering, gonzalez was arrested with a knife in his pocket, but court proceedings revealed there were more than 800 rounds in ammunition, two hatchets and a ma shut te in his car. gonzalez was found with a hatchet near the south lawn of the white house, but released and in july, following arrest for evading police in south carolina, goerpz gonzalez was found with a sawed off shotgun and a map of the white house. he ask considered a flight risk and a danger to the president. a public defender says gonzalez who was quiet and responsive in court will not per sue an insanity defense and understands the charges against him. president obama says he s thankful for the secret it was. . i m grateful for the sacrifices they make on me behalf and on my family s behalf. now the agency is considering checkpoints several blocks away from the complex to screen tourists and others for guns and bombs before they reach pennsylvania avenue. the secret service office of professional responsibility is investigating friday s incident and during that inquiry, homeland security secretary jay johnson says, quote, i encourage all of us not to rush to judgment about the event and not second guess the judgment of security officers who had only seconds to act until all the facts are in. but ron kesler, who has written books about the secret service, he thinks differently. to say that it was admirable that they showed restraint, isn t that wonderful? can you imagine if this guy had wmd or a bomb and detonated them in the white house and the president was there? reporter: the white house announced today the door breached by omar gonzalez friday night used by tour groups and employees almost every day will now be locked when not in use. brett? peter thank you. up next, the former irs bureaucrat at the center of the scandal says she did nothing wrong. let s hear what our fox affiliates across the country are covering. a nasa spacecraft began circling the are red plant late last night after a 400 tlourks mile journey. two women were killed as a tour bus overturned sunday afternoon. several other passengers were areaed. no cause of that accident has been announced. and this is a live look at detroit from fox 2, the big story there tonight, the city fighting for its right to cut off water to customers who do not pay. about 15,000 customers lost service from april to june this year, critics want the shutoffs stopped and the tap turned back on. lawyers for the bankrupt city say it cannot operate that way. that s tonight s live look outside the beltway from special report. we ll be right back. want to change the world? 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circumstances, and am not sorry for anything i did. and in answer to a question she planted, back in 2013, she apologized for the inappropriate targeting of these tea party groups. so i don t know how that comports with her saying i have no regret. while learner in a 2012 e-mail called conservatives crazies and used an expletive to describe them further, she told pretty coe, my personal opinions have not affected my work. as for those missing e-mails, she asks, how would i know two years ahead of time that it would be important for me to destroy e-mails and if i did know that, why didn t i destroy the others ones they keep releasing. the ensuing article oftens no inspector general circulated a report highly critical of her office to ask if her internal messages were being saved. ultimately it was lois learner who violated the law. republican congressman darrell issa responded to the interview by saying the american people deserve to hear learner s testimony under oath, that if she had nothing to hide, she c basic questions about her conduct instead of obstructing congress s investigation. learner tells politico she now finds herself unemployable and intends her days gardening and doing volunteer work. while her name is synonymous with the irs scandal, and while her and her husband have racked up hundreds of thousands in legalfees. the obama m is taking on the tax saving tactic known as inversion. that is when a company relocated on paper out of the country to try to avoid some tax liability. the treasury department says it will eliminate certain money moving techniques companies use to access the overseas earnings of foreign subsidiaries. president obama has characterized inversions as unfair. several republicans have said the administration should instead pass comprehensive corporate tax reform. stocks were down today, the dow lost 107, the s&p 500 was off 15, the nasdaq dropped 62. hundreds of ecoprotesters marched in manhattan, this followed yesterday s massive demonstration in new york. today s march was to protest the role of corporate and economic institutions in climate change. the u.s. finds itself in a delicate situation with iran tonight. president obama wants help with isis, but ask reportedly not willing to back down on iran s nuclear program in order to get that help. senior white house foreign affairs correspondent wendell goler has the specific. reporter: pressed by their seizure of territory in syria and iraq and the executions of two americans and a brit tan, u.s. officials have stressed shiia muslim iran has a stake in the fight too. but the officials say they re not willing to bargain over iran s nuclear program to get its aid for the terrorist threat. we have made clear both publicly and privately that the conversations in the p-5 plus one talks. iran s ayatollah raised the issue by claiming he voretoed a u.s. request that his country work together with virginia republican congressman randy forbes agrees. we still have to remember, iran is a major, major concern for many of us around the world if they get a nuclear weapon, it s a huge game changer in the middle east. reporter: in fact administration officials won t even confirm whether iran has privately sought such a trade and they flatly denied the u.s. suggested working with iran. let me suggest that we are not coordinating military operations or sharing intelligence with iran. reporter: the administration says it expresses its own concerns about the isis threat and it also supports bashara. and neither of those two have spent much energy going after it s skis. still the u.s. should be careful about helping iran even if it doesn t vo a nuclear trade off. to be doing anything at all to build them up, to give them sanctuaries, to in effect have them on our side, what does that do to israel? the phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend is often thought to be a muslim phrase, but it actually predates the profit mohammad by 1,000 years and is often wrong and should not be applied to isis in iran. ahead, obama care enrollment numbers are going down. we ll tell you why. first two massive man hunts, first for the last person seen with a missing virginia college student and then for a cop killer in pennsylvania. mise. ok, how about 10 gigs of data to share, unlimited talk and text, and you can choose from 2 to 10 lines. wow, sounds like a great deal. so i m getting exactly what i want, then? appears so. now, um, i m not too sure what to do with my arms right now cause this is when i usually start throwing things. oh, that s terrifying at&t s best-ever pricing. 2-10 lines, 10 gigs of truly shareable data, unlimited talk and text, starting at $130 a month. hello. you can go ahead and have a nice flight. re. music plays music plays traveling can feel like one big mystery. you re never quite sure what is coming your way. but when you ve got an entire company who knows that the fewest cancellations and the most on-time flights are nothing if we can t get your things there, too. it s no wonder more people choose delta than any other airline. iwith something terrible to admit. i treated thousands of patients, risked their lives, while high on prescription drugs. i was an addict. i m recovered now, but an estimated 500,000 medical professionals are still out there, abusing drugs or alcohol. police, airline pilots, bus drivers. they re randomly tested for drugs and alcohol. but not us doctors. you can change that: vote yes on proposition 46. your lives are in our hands. searchers are combing through the dense forest of northeastern pennsylvania tonight looking for the man they believe to be a cop killer. rick lebenthal is live in prescott, pennsylvania. reporter: police have been telling us they re closing in on suspect eric freen on saturday. we re hearing that this man hunt could be over very soon. but tonight this suspect is still on the loose, still considered armed and very dangerous, hundreds of local and state police and federal agents are part of this massive search, combing through miles of very thick and rugged woods in the pocono mountains, rough terrain that eric freen is very familiar with, he grew up here and honed his survival skills in these same woods. the governor said today that it appears freen only wants to shoot law enforcement. he had the opportunity to shoot civilians at the blooming grove barracks, at the same time that he shot the police officer. so it is our conclusion that he is aimed totally at police officers because there were unarmed civilians who were right in the exact same location. during the course of the shooting, and he chose not to shoot at them. and brett, what you re seeing now 100 dreai10i is hundreds of who are combing the area. there s still a $100,000 reward for information leading to his capture. but he is still on the loose tonight. now a desperate search is on for a man believed to be the last person to be seen with university of virginia student hanna graham before she disappeared. lee land vitter is in charlottesville this morning with the latest in this story. reporter: good evening, brett, you don t often see wanted posters for reckless driving. but here it is right here. police say that jesse matthew walked into the charlottesville police department, asked for a lawyer and then gave them the slip. police say it could be tomorrow that they are going to get the state s crime lab report back on evidence they have taken from matthew s car and house. but so far, at least, they don t have enough to charge him with any part of hanna graham s disappearance. i believe jesse matthew was the last person she was seen with before she skrvanished offe face of the earth. reporter: now police have zeroed in on matthews, 6 2 , 270 pounds after he was seen walking in the pedestrian mall in charlottesville just about the same time as hanna graham, and police say after this photo was taken, he led her to a restaurant and bought one drink and then the pair left. here residents of charlottesville say life is very different here on the street and many say that the innocence of this charming college town has now been shattered. leland vitter in charlottesville. the three army they were detained at the rainbow bridge in niagra falls, possibly trying to enter can dpa. the three had been participating in the u.s. central command regional training exercise. the military insists the soldiers pose no threat to the public. afghanistan has decided on a new president. after signing a power sharing deal with his opponent in the disputed electio abdullah abdullah will fill the newly created role of government s chief executive. next up, a much closer race for governor in a northwestern state and why obama care s numbers are going backwards. please log on to my blog, the daily brett.com, you can also get there from our home page. know that proper allocation could help increase returns so you can enjoy that second home sooner. know the right financial planning can help you save for college and retirement. know where you stand with pnc total insight. a new investing and banking experience with personalized guidance and online tools. visit a branch, call or go online today. vrngs in colorado, a democratic incumbent senator is being challenged in the latest poll. reporter: colorado governor john higen zs looper says that despite popularity in office, things can change on a dime. he now trails former congressman bob o pray. it s fair we see in andy a top senator in our state. we re going to have a lot of polls that are going to come up with a lot of different conclusions. reporter: a recent nonpartisan quinnipiac poll has hickenlooper with a deficit. a quinnipiac poll shows that the race is tighter, and say their polls we found that governor hickenlooper is down by 12 points from bob o pray. everything i know about governing, i learned when i was laid off and started a restaurant. reporter: hickenlooper who has a fundraising advantage is sticking to his playbook, avoiding negative ads. before public office, he made his money in the group hub business. it s a nationalized race. o pray acknowledges benefiting from anti-obama attitudes in colorado. so it is a referendum on both on john hickenlooper and became obama as well. and another example of how this race is kind of a national petry dish. everybody s got one of those magic 8 balls. i just turn it over and it comes out with a different number. reporter: the colorado secretary of state s office says it expects more than 90% of those voting to take advantage of it, meaning this race could be decided well before election day. louisiana democratic senator mary landrieu is working hard to save her seat and is leaving no stone unturned and is also leaving no voter unturned. roll call reports landrieu was working the crowd when she was asked to take a stand herself, a keg stand that is, an offer that she declined. we re taking special report on the road thursday, where we ll talk to senator landrieu and her opponent, republican senator bill cassidy. obama care could be an issue down there and the enrollment numbers for obama care are going downing. administration officials admit they are lower than the president s claims and insurance experts put them even lower than that. here s chief national correspondent jim engel. reporter: president obama s claims about enrollment in obama care are getting a assistant downgrade. the number of americans who have signed up for private insurance in the marketplaces has grown to 8 million people. 8 million people. as of august 15 this year, we have 7.3 million americans enrolled in the health insurance market place coverage and these are individuals who have paid their premiums. reporter: an erosion of 700,000, the key was the reference to those who paid. you do not have to sign up, you have to sign up and pay on a regular basis to be enrolled. and that s why private ins e insurers are saying they re it s competed expectations in some cases. reporter: for instance state officials in florida say their enrollments have fallen 220,000 from some 983,000 in april, a drop of more than 20%, insurance companies experienced a similar erosion. i talked to a number of insurance companies around the industry and they re indicating that they re down as low as 70%. not the original enrollments they had. in fact the ceo of etna, the nation s third largest insurer, says his company had 720,000 people sign up as of may 20th, but only 600,000 turned out to be paying customers and he expects the numbers to fall to 500,000 by the end of the year, leaving paid enrollment down 30% from early signup numbers. and analysts think overall enrollments nationwide would be up 20%. the congressional budget office is predicting 15 million total enrollments through february. if we had gotten closer to 6 million enrolled, they would have to enroll more people in 2015 than they did this past year. so hitting this year s target would be a much steeper climb. doctors treating a spanish priest repatriated from west africa after being diagnosed with the ebola virus say there are no samples of the experimental treatment. the manufacturer says it will take months to make even a small supply. isis terrorists may already be in america according to u.s. officials. we ll talk about that. > and the policy with the panel when we come back. not taking one. the new 6.4-liter hemi v8 ram power wagon. the most capable off-road truck there is. it lets you pick a fight. with the impossible. i have $40,ney do you have in your pocket right now? $21. could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement? i don t think so. well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. i don t want to get into the procedures that are now in4sg]ze to assist the countries around the globe are taking advantage of every opportunity they have to monitor the individual who is traveled to syria, and to mitigate the threat that they may pose either to their homeland or to other countries around the globe. white house secretary josh ernest would not talk about it publicly, but privately senior obama m officials telling us about ik here already, believed to be here, some who have gone to syria, some who have tried to go and some who have come back and are under active fbi surveillance. what you go over for might not be what you wind up doing. in other words they re radicalized over there in this fight. what about this in the broad context of this policy as we hear more and more over the weekend. columnist with the hill, and steve hayes, writer for the weekly standard. it was a jarring admission to hear this, even privately, george, after all that we have heard that it s not a threat to the homeland. a crashed a plane in pennsylvania, 19 is all it took and they were all armed with box cutters and it s estimated a quarter million dollars in expenditures. this is a big country with 3. world that s demom advertised intercontinental air travel, there s people swarming to our airports and the idea that we can catch them all is a miracle. so we re going to have to hope that we catch them and in some cases by luck. juan? i think homeland security has hardened the u.s. target, we have made air travel, airports more difficult to get through, i think anybody who s been inconvenienced knows that story well. and there s an effort of course now to put in place surveillance, monitoring of those people who have returned, but the facts are as george described them, i mean we re a huge country, these people come back, but oftentimes, they do come back to communities that could be communities of people who are vñ somalis in minnesota some other ethnic group elsewhere that we know is connected to some of these mideastern countries and to the terrorist activities. and so that gives the fbi and homeland security additional opportunities. but there s no certainty here. steve over the weekend, a lot of focus on leon panetta, former defense secretary and what he said about the syrian effort to ample and train the syrian fighters by the obama administration, that it didn t happen, take a listen. he had a fear that if we started providing weapons, we wouldn t know where those weapons would wind up. my view was, you have to begin somewhere. in retrospect now was not arming the rebels at that time a mistake? i think that would have helped. and i think in part, we paid a price for not doing that in what we see happening with isis. i don t think that even secretary panetta would suggest that a few weapons would have dramatically altered the outcome here. i think the concern is that a significant investment of time and hardware would have been required with the hope, again, not the conclusion, but with the hope that it could alter the outcome. an investment that they are now making. that they are now making, despite the fact that the president not only had misgivings about it two years ago, but as reemtly as a couple of months ago said that it wouldn t actually change the situation on the ground. i think what we re seeing play out is what brit hume said in his comments is that the president is very reluctant do do this, he was reluctant two years ago, he was reluctant two months ago and he s are you luckant now. when you look at what our campaign has amounted to so far far, it s not a very significant campaign, and when you listen to the rhetoric by the senior administration official, that the nature of the threat, you have other administration officials saying it s not a threat. we have a press release out today saying that the air strikes destroyed two isil vehicles, an isil tank and damaged an isil humvee. that s not a big campaign, four air strikes, 190 total over the past 134 air strikes her day over 78 days. now maybe it s early, maybe that s coming, maybe the administration s going to do that. but there s a disconnect from what we re seeing them do overseas and the way they re talking about it here. the other thing striking about the panetta interview was about the forces on the ground in iraq, and the status of forces agreement and this whole back and forth about what the president did or could do because the iraqis didn t want the u.s. troops to say. take a listen to this montage of sound bites here. listen, i promise not to have a war in iraq, and i didn t. in 2008, i said i would end the war in iraq, and i did. we ended the war in iraq and brought nearly 150,000 troops overwhelm. you wish you had left a residual force in erairaq, any regrets in 2014. that wasn t a decision made by me, that was a decision made by the iraqi government. i just kind interesting the degree to which this issue keeps on coming up as if this was my decision. so let s just be clear, the reason that we did not have a follow on force in iraq was because the iraqis were, a majority of iraqis did not want u.s. troops there. george? well, with regard to who having ended the war in iraq, of course you ended our participation in it. and as or well said, the quickest way to end a war is to lose it, which it appears we have done. it all comes to whether isis can be driven off the land that they re occupying. the 78 days of bombing in kosovo, they didn t work until there were credible threats that we were going to use nato armed forces. on the ground? on the ground, precisely. general scales, a fox news contributor, said at the end of the day, this defeating isis will be on the shoulders of men and women who are willing to kill in close, he doesn t varnish it and those are not going to be americans. the question is will they be anyone else? juan? i think you re going to have to do something to get those isis fighters out of there. and it s going to be difficult. i think if you re asking the question having seen that montage, the president s very clear, that with regard to the status of forces agreement, the make a sufficient effort, maybe he did, maybe he didn t, but it was the iraqi people s decision, and that s what he said. you hear leon panetta saying over the weekend that they pushed to continue to have this force on the ground and that there was probably more to be done. i m not sure that panetta felt that there was more to be done unless you force the issue, saying you know what? we shed blood and treasure here, and therefore we are going to, you know, violate the very principle we put in place, which is that we want a democratic elected government in place. we re going to overrule that. i just think that would have been hypocritical on our part. although it might have of course been been stabilizing to the country given what happened consistently. rl joe biden was briefing democratic senators about the administration s decision to withdraw troops before nato announced its decision. the president is 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a new book called revolution. we have a pantheon of celebrities we overvalue, overworship, overplay. you have to look at alternative ways of thinking. me personally, i don t think change can come from within the political system. covering his views from everything on drug laws to voting to the redistribution of wealth. it s the media that tells us our stories, the stories we believe about ourselves. yesterday, russell brand went on a 12 1/2 minute rant on little ol me. not funny. i think it s important to acknowledge we re unified by our common humanity. i would like to expose the positivity as aspiring to greater things. what should a revolution look like? many people want a revolution, but i m asking you what it will be like. well, i think what it won t be like is a huge disparity between rich and poor where 300 americans have the same amount of wealth as the 85 million poorest americans. where there s an exploited and underserved underclass that has been continued to be ignored. welfare is slashed while cameron and osborne go to court to continue the rights of bankers to continue receiving their bonuses. that s all i m saying. in his new book, revolution russell brand details his ideas of an alternative way to organize and says we all have a right to join the conversation. he said there s no heroic revolutionary figure in whom we can invest hope except for ourselves as individuals together. joining me now, comedian, actor, author and media commentator, russell brand. so, you know, i love watching truths which is your youtube channel. yes, thank you. because among many other things, some of my favorite media criticism is there, especially when you turn your attention to some of the other men in makeup in the cable news business. can we play a little piece of you talking about mr. o reilly? i would love to. let s do that. hello. welcome to u.s. truths. looking a bit like o reilly. i m o reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. i think tonight he s talk act immigration. how the left wants to handle tens of thousands of children illegally entering the usa. right then, bill. we re on earth for a limited amount of time. one thing we know for certain is human beings basically are the same. on a cellular level. what are you offering, bill? look, most of these kids and narnts can t speak english, have little education and few skills. how are they going to kmeet comn our competitive marketplace. the answer is they are not going to compete. how? how? they re not going to. without immigrant labor, food in america would cost four to five times as much because the cheaper labor provided by immigrants is making food affordable. so bill, your whole economic argument is rubbish and based on bigotry. so many things i love about that. just actually first offal all, the idea that russell brand is home watching bill o reilly. that just cracks me up right there. in a way, it shows what a convenient and useful tool comedy is when dealing with bigotry. he becomes actually a quite enjoyable figure. you do that with hannity, too. you always begin with the laugh when you start talking about these guys. yeah. bill o reilly is like a man constantly at war with hemorrhoids as much as immigrants. and hannity is whining confusion. what s happening? i can hear the high-pitched bafflement he s constantly em emitti emitting. i feel a lot of affection for them as swrindividuals, if not bigotry they espouse. there doesn t seem to be a big culture gap peen you and what you pick up from the american media. in a way, the british media is a subset of american media. america is the dominant culture, so we re all subject to it. its grammar, lexicon and to a degree, we re all fluent in american media. and is british media kind of less colorful than what s going on in american media now? sometimes thing that british media is more nuanced. we have more vitriol in our print media. the daily mail is more like the fox news of print. they supported hitler when he was in power. you think some very big thoughts in here. also some very funny stuff. new york times review saying the bloke can write, which is no surprise, because this is not your first book. but what gave you the ambition to take on these larger ideas in a book like this? for a long time, as an entertainer, my opinions, musings and contemplations on spirituality or social institutions were kind of like a garnish. but as a comedian, you necessarily have to be attuned and be able to commentate on what s happening. increasingly, this now seems to be the dominant this is now the dominant thing. and one, i went back to the town i m from, which is comparable in terms of demographic to something like camden, new jersey. a pretty ordinary blue collar town. it deteriorated. it made me feel a pang, glitter and all famous and self-aggrandized as an individual and the place i come from is deteriorating. ple, where i m from it s normal not to vote, like 50% of americans don t vote. why is it normal not to vote? because there s a tacit acceptance that the people who you vote don t care about you and only look out for the interest of economic elite. it s understood. that kind of community in england, does it feel like it doesn t who wins? it don t make any difference to their lives who wins? they know that. think eve been alive for a while and they ve seen it happen. what if someone other than tony blair was there and making the decision to go into the iraq war. it seems in war-making powers, there may very well make a difference in who s the prime minister. at that time, a million people took to the streets to protest that war. that war still happened. i think that i don t think that war is excluded from the overall milieu of tyranny. who would you vote for? if there s someone you can vote for, we re not going to support the military complex. it s a devastating cyclical nightmare. is there a party who says that? rand paul s father used to say something like that. it sound like a folk tale. well, hukleberry finn was very anti-war. for me, in this country, in my country, there are the two dominant political parties that ultimately represent the interest of an economic elite and global corporations, increasingly bureaucracy worldwide prevents even at a national level politicians having very much power. we see it becoming more and more destitute. we see the economy deteriorating and no one is responsible. where are the people who are benefits from this. where are the people who are benefitting from 1 in 6 americans living on 2350food st? what do you do when confronted with the issue of voting? to me, i always tell people become active and collectivized in your own lives. there s no one to vote for. what i would urge is for i would urge for a political organization that generally represents people. i would say what we require is democracy. we have democracy in name but not in practice. in my country, of which i m more qualified to speak, we see increasing poverty, increasing inequality, ecological disaster on the horizon, and nobody saying all right, we re the political party that s going to stop that. we ll make sure the most vulnerable are looked after, ordinary working people are represented and we ll regulate big business, control big business, control corporations in the way they were designed to be controlled. not as these infinite d nit die who have control of aur lives. it s time for us to become active in these issues. i would agree with you in this country, and i am not qualified to talk about the politics of your country. but in this country, there is no place to cast a vote of to exprez everything you just expressed. but there is a place to cast a vote that says, i want women in all 50 states of the united states to be able to determine their own reproductive rights. sure. and i want to make sure that the supreme court doesn t become seven conservative republican justices ruling against women in these kinds of options, taking these options out of their lives. and so what that translates to is, you know, if i m in kentucky and there s a senate race, it really matters to me whether we end up with the democrat or the republican in the senate, because the senate is who decides the supreme court justices. it doesn t sound like a very effective system to me. what we re quibbling over is basic human rights of women. but we are. but wait, in the united states, we are quibbling over that big time. we don t have, is what i m saying. it s us. we choose. when did they get to decide the parameters of the debate. when did they get to decide the issues that are evolcano tif and provocative for us. of course women should have dominion over their own bodies. democracy is this gleaming excall bure of freedom. and what are we offered? these tidbits, thaez crumbs from tables while corporations maraud. that s not enough for me. goodbye, we won t complain anymore. we want our power back. nobody says you don t complain anymore once you win those rights. this great democracy founded on wonderful freedoms and right to pursue happiness. if we re going to be satiated by these little shards of freedom, that s not enough. democracy should be the representation of the will of the people. first we need an informed media and informed population so people can have a legitimate population and understand the issues we re talking at. and secondly, we need the means by which people control their destiny. that can happen under the federal level. i m not saying that women shouldn t have dominion over their bodies .pi m saying they should. why are we even talking about that? that s over, that s done with. but it s not over with. it hangs by one vote in the united states supreme court. the presidency and the senate determines who gets that next seat on the united states supreme court. it s a distraction. meanwhile, we are 50 years from total ecological meltdowns and the corporations that are causing this are going to do nothing to prevent it from happening. while i agree your senate is important, more important than that, lawrence is we re about to destroy the planet. more important than that is the walton heirs have more money than 100 million american people. the democracy of this country is alleged to already have. now, you talk about income inequality in this book a great deal. you know, whenever the subject in this country veers into that territory, immediately the world socialism comes up. you must not say anything that sounds even slightly socialistic in our political dialogue, even though we have plenty of socialism in our system. we re just the only country who refuses to call it socialism when we actually do it. so it s immediately thrown back at people, and so, you know, this book in terms of the fox news reviews is just filled with socialism from cover to cover. incredible socialism in the financial industry. they ll pump trillions and trillions of dollars. bail you out if you re big enough. too big to fail, let s put our arm around you. they have socialism for them. socialism is not a dirty word. socialism is just the politics of christianity. it s just the politics of common decen decency. a little bit of sharing. i m sure that after the revolution there will be some form of hierarchy. there will be some inequality. but not the galling inequality and suffering we live with now. and what is your hope for this book. what is the thing that you would want someone to take away from this book and tell their friends about, here s the reason to read this book. what i would like, mate, you know them fast food workers that are organizing and unionizing. i would like people everywhere who feel oppressed, feel like they have in purchase on their own life, paying too much money for their homes or losing their jobs or living on food sfafrps and ordinary working people having to work hard and still haven t lived a decent live. to know it isn t their life. neither is it the fault of immigrants or homosexuals is the result of an economic elite that are taking all the resources and all of the money globally and together, we can change that story and narrative if on a local level, we organize collectively, protest and disobey and on a global level we communicate. it will be easier and better than what we already have. russell brand, thank you very much for coming in tonight. this is just as much fun as i expected. thank you very much, sir. i ve got to read something here. don t distract me. i ll be good. i love you! coming up don t distract me. a new perk. women working at apple or facebook, freezing your eggs. you can freeze your eggs. mine are freezing already. i can tell. and later, i will be joined by a young businessman with an irresistible pitch. i m the founder of mr. boy s cookie and i am a cookie man and i m a chef. i m a really good chef. i love having a free checked bag. with my united mileageplus explorer card. i have saved $75 in checked bag 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this gives him a lot of credibility. not only for him as a leader of this new caliphate or over the islamic state he s clearly the leader of something bigger than osama bin laden was ever the leader of. what he was able to accomplish in a short period of time took osama bin laden two decades to accomplish. it s not just his charisma, it s his military expertise, his sharia law, jurisprudence study, which he has a ph.d. in. what did he get his command expertise? he s been engaged in battles since take us back to that. before the invasion in 2003, he was where doing what? he was basically hanging out with a number of militants in the north. he was one of the founding members of an islamist militant faction that was already prepare for the u.s. invasion. this was preu.s. invasion early 2003. he was part of that community. then he defected and shortly after he was imprisoned by the u.s. forces. defected to whom? he defected to form his own group. he was captured and imprisoned. then authoritily thereafter, once he was released, he had already made friends with a number of former baathist officers who became a member of the council of the islamic state. so meanwhile, between 2006 and 2010, he was really prepared into a number of high-ranking missions. he went from a middle-ranking commander after being a top military commander. the two answers are unknown how he got to that point. we know as of commandeering operations in the region and the charisma he was able to exert, he s gotten up in the ladder and was able to get to that status. what would it take to target him individual lain what would it mean if the united states, or if anyone involved in this conflict were able to take him up? it takes a lot of intelligence work. intelligence is everything here. we don t know his exact location yet. when he appeared in his first and only video announcing the caliphate, it was indicative that he was in mosul. but shortly thereafter, we don t know. one-of his relatives committed a suicide operation in baghdad. that just shows you he actually is still in charge. he s not somebody relinquishing power to his low-ranking commanders. he s actually taking charge and directing the operations. it s a very centralized focus. do we know how much of a command structure he has built under him? is it one of those things where he s got a series of successors or strong people under him, if somehow he was taken out of the action? he s got a number of strong individuals in the council, which is basically the council that makes all the decisions that have to do with the islamic state, operationally or otherwise. and those individuals, many of them are actually much older than him in age. they have military experience. but he was able to really attract individuals who have long, long years in jihad from all around the world. people everywhere from afghanistan and pakistan all the way to africa, all the way to somalia and what not. so his influence and his character have really gone overseas and have been really, really essential in giving credibility to this new caliphate. thanks for giving us this portrait of him tonight. appreciate it. coming up, anne romney sort of said never again today about mitt romney running for president. we will show you how she will rewrite that into here we go again in tonight s rewrite. and remember, she s done this before. that s right. it s just that i m worried about you know hidden things. ok, why s that? 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for me, it wouldn t be worth it at all if we just go in there and shuffle the chairs around. i m not in for that. i m in there for you re going to go in there and you re going to change it and we re going to change the course of this country. and his ansz was yes, i can do that. and i ve done that. when i heard that, i m like okay, it s worth it to go do this thing again. you ve got to admit, she s good. she s very good at rewriting never again into here we go again. here s how you say it when you really, really mean that you re not going to run again. i shall not seek, and i will not accept the nomination of my party for president. anne romney did her part to help encourage republicans to encourage mitt to run. as you re walking through airports and everyone is screaming at you run again, it s complimentary. as it happened, mitt romney was walking through airports yesterday. here he is at the detroit airport. fi phillip rucker from the washington post on the same flight tweeted this picture of mitt romney waiting on the jet bridge for his bag. it s a still photo and not video, so you can t hear the people saying run again, mitt, run. maybe that woman beside mitt is tweeting run again. but we haven t found that tweet. and the guy decide mitt seems no mood for screaming anything except maybe where s my bag which we all feel like screaming when we re stand option the jet bridge and waiting for the carry-ones they couldn t fit in the overheads. so anne romney may be stretching it a bit when she says beatle mania breaks out at airports when mitt romney walks by. but it is true that when you put the words mitt romney in a poll with potential gop candidates, support for all the other republican candidates collapses. and mitt romney is far ahead of his rivals, way farther ahead than he ever was in his last presidential campaign. the polls indicate very clearly at this point, maybe not in the future, but at this point, that this is mitt romney s moment in the republican party. eager beaver that he is, mitt tried to make it his moment eight years too early and again four years too early, but the party is familiar with mitt now. and they are familiar enough with the other candidates that they know and they like mitt the best. so when you re wondering if mitt romney is going to run for president again, just ask yourself this question when is the last time that a super rich politician with nothing else to do saw himself with an astronomical lead over all the other candidates for president in his party and decided, nah. being president is not for me. who needs air force one when you can wait with the real americans on a delta jet bridge in detroit waiting for your carry-on that couldn t fit in the overhead. and remember, anne romney s here we go again is already written. i was very certain about something at the end of last campaign that i was never going to do that again. i meant that. and mip mitt laughed and said you said that after every pregnancy. i do have five boys. 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