it just is somebody that was so unique. i don t know what really shaped him. i don t know if it was his father, i don t know if it was the time. you didn t want to spend a lot of time talking about being in the hanoi hilton. he didn t want to talk too much about that. he just had a very quiet pride and a great humility and great sense of humor. a great determination. and great strength. you may have read all of the statements coming from former presidents. but if that s any indication i ve person that wwas boabove p statements from the clones, statements from barack obama as well as every george w. bush all of these folks not necessarily in the history of his relationships with them were always good necessarily. well, look the thing you ve got to realize, this is something that is missing in today s politics. being willing to stand up and take a principled position you know that was rational, something that made sense, it earns great respect. even among people that don t agree with you. the ability to be able to stand at all which is what john did all the time, the ability to clart your own course, not on any sort of personal advantage when people can see, when they can see that you are truly a person of conviction and courage, it doesn t matter what party or politics you are because we re all au searching, all of us as human beings. we try to find meaning in life. and i think all these accolades to him were nothing more than everybody trying to say john, we may not have always agreed with you but we love you and we know what you stood for. you re and i spir ration not just to us but really to our young generation. that is exactly if you had to paraphrase it governor, despite whatever happened, we love you, that s been pretty consistent with everybody we ve spoken with tonight. governor of ohio, john kasich. thank you for being on our broadcast today. that does it for me on our rolling breaking news coverage of the passing of john mccain. at the age of 81. andrea mitchell picks it up from here. thank you so much. and good evening as we look at the pictures of the hearse, the procession having left that ranch in sedona where john mccain has been since december. battling this illness. i m andrea mitch in washington. we re following the sad news from arizona tonight. senator john mccain has passed away at the age of 81. he would have turned 82 this coming wednesday. he was diagnosed with brain cancer last summer. senator mccain s office released a statement earlier tonight saying senator john sidney mccain iii died at 4:28 p.m. west coast time on august 25th, 2018. about the senator when he passed were his wife cindy and their family. at his death had he served the united states of america faithfully for 60 years. senator mccain s wife sin dil wrote on twitter tonight my heart is broken. i am so lucky to have lived the adventure of loving this incredible man for 38 years. he passed the way he lived on his own terms surrounded by people he loved in the place he loved best. his daughter megan tweeted i love you forever, my beloved father, senator john mccain. let s bring in nbc s kelly o donnell in sedona arizona who covered john mccain for years on the hill and in his political campaigns. kelly, i know this is a difficult moment for everyone who covered him because we all felt that we knew him so well. he was so transparent. so authentic, so real. reporter: and he gave you that sense as you were covering him. you did, i did, others following all of there of that character of being compelling and a celebrity and can tankrous, all those different things wrapped into the public life of john mccain. over the years, my relationship with him, he was always someone who could be accessible, who could be at times combative and yet he was a trusted voice on issues as we were covering important events over the decades. i m struck tonight as his family leaves sa doanna, senator mccain has loved that ranch in this area. he has as you pointed out been convalescing will for a period of months. that s unusual in the life of this man who always seemed to be in a hurry because of his political life. he was always going back and forth between phoenix and washington, d.c. traveling the world, visiting afghanistan and iraq so many times. he had not been in one place for a period of months liking there since he spent five and a half years as a p.o.w. during the vietnam war. this quiet time in the twilight of his life put him in a place he has loved for so many years. i am told this procession we re watching is headed to phoenix. where the mccains also have a home there and a home base and a political life that has inspired him from his time in the house and now six terms in the senate. there will be a series of events over the next days, part of that first farewell formally will be for the people of arizona. one of the things that has always struck me about covering john mccain, we see him as a national figure a place he earned. but when i would talk to him, he always talked about the people of arizona, their issues, their concerns, the way they have known him. in this state, we will feel it personally. he s been a controversial figure here in the party. he never shied away every that. in fact, he often embraced it said he enjoyed the fight. he sum coupled after business bat willing. nine years to the day his good friend john mccain passed on this same day nine years apart. mccain once said there was a time when he and ted kennedy were at different ends of the political spec frum on the political issue. there was a gallery full of tourists visiting the senate. of the rafters were filled with people who came to see the senate in action. he walked over 0 senator kennedy and said, let s give them a show. each man went to his deck and argued in great theater of public life. and they had fun doing it. so there are many memories of john mccain as the warrior, as the politician, as the public bent. and certainly as someone who would make you laugh. andrea? kelly, that he so captures it. joining us presidential historian, jon meacham. i ve been reading, rereading restless wave, the last book obamacare. the political side of john mccain could be heroic and it could also be very, very tough. and we saw both those sides throughout his career. even as he was battling this cancer, jon. john mccain is really our generation s they d door roosevelt. he was a plan in the arena. he was the dust of the battle got in his eyes. he thrived on the good fight. he could be wonderfully right and woefully wrong. there s a fascinating passage in a book that they published in 2002 right after the 2000 campaign that i recommend to people who particularly in this era where humility is in such varnishing supply. where mccain talks about the south carolina primary that we ve mentioned a lot tonight in 2000. and we remember it for hardball from the bush camp. the way mccain talks about the episode at the most length in a book called worth the fighting for, actually the jordan line, is about his waffling and i ll use the word senator mccain used, his lying, he said that about himself about how he truly felt about the confederate battle flag in south carolina. it was an issue then. it s one of the flash points that continues to shape us in our cultural wars. but he tried to have it both ways. he in fact, what you say you were probably there, he had a he goes on i think it was face the nation and he says that he thinks that the flag should come down because it is a symbol of racism and slavery. and the staff gets to him. and he suddenly is handed a written statement to say a much more nuanced more traditionally political thing about oh, it s a complicated symbol and we should work on this and think about it. mccain had precious little to be ashamed of. indeed. that s so noteworthy. jon meacham, thank you so much. we want to bring in andy card, the former chief of staff to george w. bush, of course, and someone who understands very well the on again, off again relationship, the difficult relationship at times after that 2000 race. but how george w. bush and john mccain worked together on surge, on iraq. andy, your thoughts. well, first of all, i first met john mccain in 1983 when he was a new member of congress and i went to washington, d.c. to work for reagan. i didn t start till august of 1983. he was sworn in to be a member of the house of representatives. had a lot of the interaction with him over the years. most significantly as a result of george w. bush winning the presidency. when john mccain had campaigned against him. and mccain had a big victory in new hampshire and it was south carolina that made the difference for george w. bush. it did strain the relationship but john mccain was someone who understood the importance of recognizing challenges and looking for opportunities to mend fences anton produce good. and so he did have the courage to take a step toward you rather than run away from you. even after he had been in a fight. he wasn t coming toward you to fight. he was coming forward to say, is there a way we can find common ground and work together. sometime he he was pretty an serb b serbic. whether he it came to the war in iraq, he was frustrated by some of the tactics. he was frustrated by some of the strategy. he was frustrated by the secretary of defense. and we all knew that. but he was candid about speaking about it to us but he was constructive in his criticism. he would offer solutions or think about this or look for other wayses. i had privilege of seeing him a handful of times where did he offer a very candid and pretty darn good advice. and president bush was a very good listener, surprisingly good. and really paid a lot of attention to what john mccain said. and when the need for the summary wsurge was recognized and george w. bush had the foresight to say we need a surge, john mccain stepped up right away to say we need a change, the surge is right. i know he was a big fan of general petraeus and george w. bush, president bush came to recognize petraeus for the leadership that he ended up giving which was remarkable and it did make a difference. that relationship was important. but you know, john mccain didn t go to washington to make friends. he went to do good things. and so sometimes he had a hard time making friends and even some of his good friends had their relationships strained over the years. i remember chuck hagel, very, very close to john mccain. then hel had a strained relationship and then they came back together again as friends. the same thing with lindsey graham and others in the senate. that was the way it was with george w. bush. but president george w. bush has great respect for the work that john mccain did and the leadership he gave. i know the whole bush clan and the entire bush political family really respects john mccain for weather did for this country. as a unable aviator, as a prisoner of war, as someone who defended democracy and worked pore democracy and served this country so well in the house and in the senate. but more than that, being a real conscience for the tough things that have to be considered when you re in government and he also had the courage to look for compromise. he was not a zero sum game person. he would look for common ground and try to define it in such a way could you find a way to stand on it with him. that was important. that was so important that he worked across the aisle. teddy kennedy, joe biden and others could disagree on policy but they could come together and try to legislate. i m also struck as i bring in robert costa, national political reporter for the washington post and, of course, moderator for washington week on pbs, i m struck, robert, by how important getting something done was. that was his last big speech on the senate floor. back on july 25th, he had been diagnosed with there terrible brain cannes p brain cancer and it was three days before he did the thumbs down vote on the president s attempts toe repeal obamacare, account affordable care act. but he spoke on the senate floor beak excoriating his colleagues and himself for the fact that they were listening to the bombast on television on cable, television on radio, on the internet and not trusting each other and not working across the aisle. you re thoughts about john mccain, the legislator. the legislator is someone who will his lack of presence in washington will be missed. my thoughts go to his family. when you think about the project that he focused on as a lawmaker in the chamber, he so loved, the u.s. senate, he stands in stark contrast to the republican party as it is today. he is someone who worried about the gop direction on taxes. though he was a traditional republican at his core, on issues like immigration, a decade ago in 2007, he worked soy hard to try to get his party to move toward the center on immigration on foreign policy, he was such a hawk, someone who valued international alliances. and in the last few years, you ve seen him struggle when i ve been covering him in the senate, reporters that we ve confided in each other how mccain seemed out of step with his own party. defiant as ever, stubborn, committed to his own causes but his causes really drifted away from the republican party in a way that they were not drifting away under president reagan and president bush. robert costa, moderator of washington week on pbs and the washington post correspondent. thank you. michael beschloss, nbc presidential historian, has known john mccain well and for long and michael, earlier you were pointing out how in september of 2008, before the lamin crash before the meeting in roosevelt room where john mccain came and the white house was bringing in both obama and mccain and he didn t seem to have policies for the economic crisis. that seemed to be whether he his campaign went took a downturn frankly. but you were pointing out before the lehman crash at the beginning of september in 2008, he was ahead of barack obama in the polls. that s exactly right. and that would have been a very close race and i think john mccain later on said that his own reaction to the economic collapse of september of 2008 was not his finest hour but in retrospect, i think you would probably agree, andrea, that there were very few republicanss who could have won presidency that year after the, the twin difficulties of timberwolf or one or two very unpopular wars, plus a very big economic collapse, plus a two-term republican president, very lard as you know for any president nominee in history to win the presidency for one party three terms in a row. but the thing back john mccain is that this is not someone who depended on being president to be a great figure of american history. and look at how much we re talking about tonight that has nothing to do with the presidency but we re talking about john mccain with the same degree of intensity and interest that i think we would almost if he had been president himself. and i m also thinking about his role in trying to legislate and change the guidelines that the bush white house were following through vice president cheney, president bush, donald rumsfeld regarding detainees. because he had been a prisoner of war was passionate about passing that legislation against what he said was torture. he never wanted to forget what he had been through. and although the preponderance of the republican party and the incumbent president and vice president just as you re saying felt very strongly about those policies and zwjohn mccain had made a big effort to try to get along with george w. bush after the fierce fight you talked about in the primaries of 2000, that ended things like torture and what he saw as an american attempt to use he thought some of the things that had been used against him as a p.o.w. in north vietnam. thank you so much. michael beschloss. joining us now su nicolle wallace, host of deadline white house. was a senior adviser for john mccain s presidential campaign in 2008. nicolle, our condolences to you and all of the close advisers and aides who travelled with him, who fought for him and knew him so well and loved him so much. yeah, i mean you and i started this conversation friday, andrea at 4:00 when we were talking about his brave decision to end treatment. and so i think what you think about on days liking this is even when you know it s coming, even when you have had in his case almost a year to grapple with the news that he had this horrible diagnosis, there s nothing that really prepares you for a world without john mccain in it. and we talked to him friday about that, the clarity of his voice after the helsinki summit, the clarity of his convictions about what america is, when it s at her best, about what the republican party has been whether he it s been at its best. and about what the senate is when it s at its best. if you look at sort of his body of public statements in the year since his diagnosis, they really touch all those these touchstones. and you think about his speech where i believe senator or vice president biden introduced him where he talked about this ideology of america first will end up in the ash heap of history, an i strong clear indictment of isolationism. you look at the written statement he released after helsinki. it was a strong and clear indictment of what he viewed as giving too much to vladimir putin, someone he views as a murderer and a thug. and you look at sort of the sadness with which he gave the first speech after the diagnosis about how the senate hud rereturn to regular order which probably doesn t mean much to people who don t cover washington or live in washington. but those were institutions that meant the world to him and after his family probably the most to him. his country, our country s national security. the republican party and sort of the prestige and power of the american presidency. and when you speak about john mccain, the fact that he is receiving these tributes from all the former presidents in both political parties from senators, but also i have one here from madeleine albright. it s not self-evident but you and i know that john mccain was responsible for the international republican institute which he chaired and she chaired the national democratic institute traveling around the world, working together. this is one of the things that he legislated. he was very proud of it. and he was very active till his illness in it chairing it. and she also an octojen flairian traveling around the world as he did, he was never home during congressional recesses. he was always finding someone in the world, mark salter wrote about this in the west just now in something he posted finding refugees, prisoners in myanmar who said to him we remember your voice. you called out our names how much it meant to us that you resighed our names on radio free europe. the voice of america or one of those brafs. yeah, it s such an important piece of his legacy and probably not one that gets enough attention but i think the reason he was as comfortable with democrats as with republicans, and that is as true of a thing as you will hear uttered today. he was as comfortable with his democratic colleagues in the senate as he was and in a lot of the cases more comfortable with his democratic colleagues. he had a deep love for ted kennedy. i remember during that campaign r campaign, ted kennedy calling him, one of the earliest endo e endorsers and someone who really celebrated and boosted the candidacy of then senator obama. and you know that, friendship survived all those things because it was built on something more than a single presidential election cycle even one with john mccain in it. i think the reason he view himself not as sort of a hostage to the pulverized politics that we are sadly living in right now is because he traveled the world with people like hillary clinton, with senator klobuchar, with democrats and republicans where when you land in georgia or you land in you know, myanmar, land in afghanistan or iraq, you don t land as a democrat or republican. you land as an american delegation. you land as lawmakers and policymakers that can help the lives of the kinds of people you just described. and some of his closest colleagues in this generation were jack reed and chris coons on the armed services and there is poignantly a statement from victoria vickie kennedy. today is the ninth anniversary of teddy kennedy as a death from gio blastoma, from the same brain cancer. she brights we lost and you compromising patriot and a man of immeasurable courage. sxweting to know john mccain was one of the great privileges of my life. i no ted felt the same way. he loved the united states senate and believes in its power to impact lives in a positive way. he declared from the floor of the u.s. senate the proudest and most satisfying moments of his career were when he worked with colleagues on both sides of the aisle to address our greatist challenges. in that brings home exactly what you were saying. thanks so much. thank you, thanks for doing this tonight. i know this is going to be a very difficult number of days and michael beschloss, your thoughts, as well? well, you know, it s a day that we have known for some time would come, but the man was so absolutely full of life that it s almost impossible to imagine that it s here. and i think something we probably should talk about is that one way that he has spoken truth to power over the last year and a half is that he stood up to the incumbent president of the united states donald trump. you were talking a little bit earlier, andrea, about what john mccain said about president trump s performance in helsinki. this is a time among republican senators there are not a lot of people who will have that role. we re going to be living in a very different political world. indeed we are. one of his closest friends from all of his past campaigns lindsey graham, has differed with john mccain in this period by maintaining that close roim with president. and that has probably caused some pain at various times during these many months. let s bring in chris matthews, host of hardball. chris, on days like today, nights like tonight, we think of the greatness of this man. we ve lost a great american patriot. a great public bent. a senator. a warrior. a politician. imperfect he would be the first to admit and as i was just saying, on the ninth anniversary of teddy kennedy s diego from the same terrible brain cancer. well, well, i said this earlier tonight. i still think it s what the reason people love the gladiatorial aspect of politics where it s one against the other and there s a real combat to it and you look for guts, spiritual guts. you look for people that stick to what they believe in, and be their own person. john mccain was always his own person. he wasn t a knee jerk lefty or righty. he didn t fit the mold which was there for so many of these other politicians to sort of slip into. he was always john mccain and he could be disconcerting. you could love him one day and mad at him the next day because he wasn t there to like him. you may not like him on being hawkish but he was always john mccain. when i found him to be a character out of the murphys in the sense that if you were to write a romantic movie about american politics and the u.s. senate especially and you wanted to have heroes in it people that stood out and had guts profiles in courage if you will, he he would be the perfect candidate in real life for that romantic role. he was the classic u.s. senator. if you ever want to grow up to be a senator, you would want to grow up to be john mccain. you wouldn t grow up to be just one of the votes for either party. you wanted to be someone who how are they going to vote. i liked the fact that he was a statesman. even he could can be tough on upon adds bitter at times, he did stand up for his opponent barack obama at a couple of critical moments. one was when that woman in the crowd said he was a arab and meant that in the worst possible way. he could he have gone along with that slur to her. and instead he said no, he s a decent man. that is so rare in politics today. he also gave a most wonderful testimonial to barack obama whether he they were going head to head bay couple weeks before election in 2008. he was at the al smith dinner. i was there and i remember i went back and dug it up. i hope everybody gets to see it again. it was the most grand endorseme endorsement that s not the right word, testimonial to his opponent that you don t hear today. it was wonderful. he did it knowing that he was much the underdog as you fellow in two and a half weeks before the election, the market was dropping and everything was going hairway and he was paying the brunt of it. i thought that was the best of john mccain. and chris, the fact that he has still been a force in this last year, even while he s suffering from this brain cancer, fighting cancer, certainly in his vote against the repeal of obamacare last july 28th, but also a year ago july 28th, 2017, but in his speech that speech in july in his statement after helsinki, he has tried to hold the white house to account for things that he, mccain believes in. well, you know, i don t want to say what everybody else is saying about life these days but there was a quoesht of deency in politics till recently where you didn t make fwun of your opponent s appearance especially maybe if you re a male and making fun of a woman s appearance or something as lowdown as that. you didn t make up nicknames about your opponents or drive them into the mud. you out argued them. you made your case. you didn t commiminish their be. mccain was that old school. he was beaten up in that 2000 election they went after his family, they said he had had an illegitimate daughter. turned out it was someone everyone south asia he had adopted. they had adopted but they spread the rumors in south carolina in that primary that it was his illegitimate daughter. they said his wife had drug problems throwing everything at him. he still stuck with politics. he came back again after he almost got knocked off in 2008 and kept going and going and wouldn t quit. i think that endurance that he show over the hanoi hilton all those years where he was getting beat up and tortured and basically crippled babove his waist, he stuck with it and had a sense of humor. he was a tough guy. i think had he some bitterness but didn t let it drive him. i think he resented people like w and people that didn t be in vietnam the way did he but seemed to come out on top. i m sure he did. but as the public man was a hero and a grabbed hero as our colleagues said earlier tonight. he had a grandness to him, something out of the movies. you referenced that al smith dinner 2008. of course, a campaign year you were there. we ve got some of that tape. let s play that testimonial to barack obama by his competitor, john mccain. i don t want it getting out of this room that my opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. political opponents have a little trouble seeing the best in each other, but i ve had a few grimses of this man at his best and i admire his great skill, energy and determination. it s not for nothing that he s inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. senator obama talking about making history. and he s made quite a bist of it already. there was a time when the mere invitation of an african-american citizen to dine at the white house was taken as an outrage and an insult. in many corridors. today, is a world away from the cruel and prideful bigotry of that time and good riddance. i can t wish my opponent luck, but i do wish him well. chris, that i m glad you brought tlaup because that is quite a speech. and the dignity and the honor that he brings to that kind of that he brought to that kind of occasion was clack john mccain. that s why we care. it s why people like you and i are spend our lives covering these guys. at their best, they are something else. something else. chris matthews thanks so much for being there for us tonight. i m glad you re doing this tonight. thank you. you re the right person to be doing there tonight. thank you. you re the right person to be calling in. thank you, chris matthews. and at the white house tonight, our correspondent nbc news white house correspondent geoff benne bennett. this is an awkward moment. no way around it. there was a tweet from the president but it would be hypocritical for anyone to suggest that the mccains would want the president sologis u u jis. the tweet we saw from you president trump earlier tonight is likely all we ll get parking the passing of senator john mccain. i would just point out though that this is a night that belongs to senator mccain. as we ve seen the president attack the news media tore conch he doesn t like referring to us as the fake news, contrast that with what john mccain did whether he ran for president back in 2000 on straight talk express. filled that bus was reporters. i can tell you having encounters him earlier in my career as a hill reporter he never flinched at questions. he was often on the receiving ends of tough questions. he was always smart, civil, certain, direct, cordial. he was irascible. he was accessible. it s one of the reasons why you ve heard so many people say he left the nation a better place. that perhaps is the greatest thing you can say about any politician. yes, we have the tweet from president trump but dmar to the lengthy nearly lyrical tributes we ve seen from all of the former presidents tonight. and geoff, we don t know all of the arrangements. we understand there is going to be there will be several days in arizona with the family. we expect that joe biden i ve been told will be speaking there. and then there will be a tribute here a memorial at the national cathedral. we know from his book he wants to be buried in annapolis near lis great friend chuck larson, a fellow grad from his class where john mccain famously was near the bottom of the class and chuck larson was one of the star of the class. i also wanted to share with all of us there s a rec we yem that he read at his father s funeral and also at the funeral of his biographer a friend and colleague of mine from the reagan years, bob tin berg was a fellow veet flam veteran who was wounded in vietnam. he was the biographer of john mccain in knighton gail song. when bob was buried, he read the same lines in john mccain s book as a closing poem. called rec question eem. under the wide and starry sky, dig the grave and let my lai. graddy live and gladly die and i laid me down with a will. there be the verse you grave for me. here he lies where he long to be. home is the sailor home from sea and the hunter home the hill. those are the last words in the restless waiver and also as kelly o donnell rejoins me from arizona, it s also what john mccain read at his own father s funeral. kelly, he was the say sailor. he was the naval aviator. that s where he will end. that will be a very fitting and appropriate final place for john mccain because navy blue and gold was certainly in his blood. he talked to me so many times about his love of the nav of course, his son who bears his name jack mccain also a naval aviator. there is another john mccain, his grandson who is just a toddler. one might expect he might wear a uniform some day. his elder son doug was an aviator, as well about the navy is something that has been beyond formative for who john mccain was. it was his dna to carry the name of his father and his grandfather to hope to become an admiral as they were. but the grievious wounds and injuries of his time as a prisoner of war prevented him from going onto the kind of level of command that would have permitted him to get to the admiral level. instead he became the lee and son to the senate, one of the places where he learned about the political arena, taking senators around the world as they visited hot spots and allies as a representative of the navy. so so many times when i would be with john mccain, he had the navy hat on. that s really how i think of him with a big smile. that s always what he enjoyed most. and as you pointed out, not a perfect person. he was quite willing to talk about his foibles, his mistakes, regrets. there were times when he would acknowledge he made decisions for political expedience that he came to regret. whether he geoff was talking about being a reporter on the bus, i can recall being on the straight talk express knee to neil with senator mccain from one stop to the next talking and talking. at times we would get down to things like favorite color, most recent movie that he watched telling about his as a contestant on jeopardy at one point. i said can we pick this up again late silver he loved engaging. always with a cup of coffee in his hand. and he would always tease me about being irish, of course. and it is so out of context if you want quite hear it, but he would call reporters had affection for jess. i was often a jerk. i suspect you might have been a jerk yourself. because he would say it with a smile. oh, you jerk and it was his way of communicating. he had the sparring in the hallways. what i find fascinating about the way he s remember sds someone as flawed and human as anyone but with a level of courage and commitment that is not even every day and that s why there be days of remembrance. there are many people who have done great things in public life. who deserve to be honored and remembered and he has earned his place there and that s something that i think is it reflected. he also would say to me from time to time there are many things that i ve done in my life. most importantly, i just wanted to be, i wanted to engage. i wanted to be a good representative for the lineage of public service that he represents. i remember during his campaign going to mccain airfield in mississippi named for either his father or his grandfather. his name was added to the ship that bears the john sidney mccain know men clay tour. he s added to that piece of history. there s already talk that senator schumer and others are saying perhaps the russell senate office building where had he an office for so many years, a fixture of life on capitol hill could perhaps be renamed in his honor. that s something being offered tonight for consideration. we don t know if it will happen. it shows you the kind of esteem his colleagues have held him in, someone who would fight with them fiercely, make them laugh and also at times con found them with the complex character of john mccain, also as i don t know if we pointed out, i m also thinking of roberta mccain who is 106 years old. and lost her son and i spent some time with her during 2008 and i remember her saying when johnny as she called him came home from vietnam, she and not at the time senator mccain but senator mccain never discussed his time in captivity. she said as a mother she had worried day in, day out about his the simple things, did he have a toothbrush, was he getting enough food. but whether he came home, they never discussed it. she said that was the navy way. andrea? roberta mccain having lost her son. she at the age of 106. thank you so much. as kelly was recounting john mccain liked reporters. he liked to mix it up with reporters. he had affectionate names and some names that were not so affectionate. joining me phil rucker, white house bureau chief for the washington post. phil, john mccain is one of those old fashioned politician who s didn t mind talking to the president. he sure is. and what a night and what a man. there s nobody else like him frankly in the united states senate or in washington and there may never be. kelly and her tribute touched on so many things. one word that stands out is courage. that s what he s been in this three-year period when donald trump has become the leader of his party and now the president of the united states. he s had that courage to step out and speak out and stand up in a way that no other republican of his prominence has been willing or able to do that vote on health care, when he came in in the middle of the night and did a thumbs down because he didn t think that bill was good enough. all the way to the helsinkira, which were i think important for mccain and one lils last final acts as a senator. and phil, this is awkward for the white house as we ve been reporting because. very awkward. there s no way that this president after every terrible thing he said about john mccain including last week at fort drum not reciting the name of the bill he was signing, the john k. mccain defense authorization act, he called it the national defense authorization act. he didn t want to say john mccain s name. so it would be difficult now for him to be part of those paying tribute. that s right. these last few months as john mccain has been at home in arizona, dying of cancer, you know, president trump has been at campaign rallies. i ve been covering them. and again and again and again trump invokes mccain in a way to mock him. he doesn t call him by name but he ll say we will could he have passed that obamacare repeal bill if it if it wasn t for the one guy that voted thumbs down and he had the crowd turn against mccain and it is a ugly sentiment out there for many months now. president trump viewed mccain with a level of d disdain and not standing behind the presidency and agreeing with everything that president trump has done and it goes back to the beginning of the trump campaign. i was there in iowa in 2015 when trump was the gathering of social conservatives and said i like heroes who weren t captured and it is just an incredible comment to make and he never did really apologize for that and it just set off what is now a real a three-year feud between these men where mccain will speak out when he feels it is appropriate and the president just refused to say a positive word about him. phil rucker, i m sure it is going to be an interesting couple of days as we go through the tributes for john mccain and the white house figures out the choreography. i assume mike pence will represent the white house at the service in washington. that would make sense. thank you for calling in. thank you. and joining us now is reporter mike manly who covered his 2008 presidential campaign for us. and of course has known him for so long and knows about the unique relationship with someone else you could have, which is joe biden. that is right, andrea. i can t help but smile listen to colleagues talk about memories covering john mccain. i m one of those jerks who he would like to mix it up with in the hall. but i was struck tonight reading some of the statements from democrats at the passing of john mccain. ryan shot of hawaii saying we lost a hero at the time the country needs one. and bob menendez from new jersey talking about how he learned from john mccain the importance in the senate of putting patriotism above partisanship and from joe biden, a statement and i ll read some of it where he said his impact on america hasn t ended. not even close. those two it was interesting covering the fall in the 2008 campaign, joe biden was the vice presidential running mate. he was the attack dog. that is the role you re supposed to play and it was something of a running joke among us who were covering joe biden and day in anddy ought in the fall of 2008 how often he would speak fondly of john mccain on the campaign trail before he would light into him on policy but always in a friendly way but i m struck now in the political we re about to begin a week of memorials for senator mccain in arizona and here in washington and i was told again tonight that senator john mccain met with biden personally in arizona in april and at that time he asked him personally if he would deliver a eulogy for him in arizona. that is one of the first major speeches, major eulogies from a political figure in the country this weekend and it is from a democrat. somebody on the ticket he ran against in 2008 and we know when we come to washington and the services move here, we ll hear from president obama who ran against him and from george w. bush who became president after running against mccain as well. this week is the arizona senate primary. jeff flake senate seat. he did not run for re-election as somebody critical of president trump, he saw it was too difficult to win a republican primary. and i think this week as joe biden s statement points out is an opportunity for perhaps his legacy, this moment in time, to for republicans to take stock of what they re role is of putting party above of country above party and that will be one of the many themes of the week as this day plays out. thank you, mike. that 08 campaign was a great snapshot of the two men, biden and mccain on opposite sides but still preserving that friendship and that civility in politics. michael, when you think about that, the roles that they played and how mccain could have become president but still carved out this unique legislative role and leader of human rights around the world which perhaps is larger than anything he might have accomplished at that point. even from the white house given the economic wreckage and all of the difficulties that anyone elected in 08 was going to inherit. i think that is exactly right, andrea. and he showed something and that is that oftentimes a senator or member of congress for in his case about four decades could have almost as much impact on the american and the world as they might have had they been elektded president. and you were talking about civility. john mccain knew smg something that went kback to th beginning and they wanted us to duke it out over political issuesba they felt unlike the dictatorship and monarchy, conflict leads to the best kind of policy but they also wanted there to be compromise and members of congress to fight with each other, debate the policies, come up with the best kind of laws, but at the end of the day, they wanted members of congress to have a tanker of ale together and john mccain was so much in that spirit. and andrea, one thing that i think shows that so well, go back to 2004 when john kerry was the soon to be nominee of the democratic party. he was thinking of vice presidential candidates. you and i have talked about this. for a period he seriously thought of asking the democratic party to nominate john mccain, although a republican, as the democratic candidate for vice president. for a while that looked as if it might happen. then you get to 2008 and john mccain is nominated by the republicans, who does he want for his vice president. joe lieberman who is a democrat. so much in the spirit, i think of the founders, but life has changed so much. even just in the last ten years, could you imagine a nominee of either party today proposing that his or her running mate be a member of the opposition party? absolutely impossible. michael besh, thank you so much for your thoughts. and we ll be right back with much more on our continuing coverage on the life of senator john sydney mccain iii. we ll be right back after this short break. ht back after this short break. 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when there s a joint statement from chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, that s not a joint statement. how long do you think you ll have to wait for that? a long time. we have had obviously a very busy day. nonstop breaking news. it s 11:00 a.m. out west. 2:00 on the east. we re continuing to follow all of these new developments including the 13th device found in california. the department of justice will hold a press conference where we hope to learn more details about this suspect. the man under arrest is from florida just to recap here. he s identified as 56-year-old cesar sayoc junior. dna did play a role in his arrest. fbi seized this white van covered in pictures of president trump and images of the presidential seal. here is president trump a short time ago from a previously scheduled white house event. i am pleased to inform you that law enforcement has apprehended the suspect and taken him into custody. these terrorizing acts are despicable and have no place in our country. i ve instructed authorities to spare no resource or expense in finding those responsible in bringing them to swift and certain justice. we must never allow political violence to take root in america. cannot let it happen. i m committed to doing everything in my power as president to stop it. we learned in the past hour about the package sent to kamala harris in california. this morning two more suspicious packages were stopped by authorities. one was discovered at a sorting facility in florida addressed to cory booker. another in mid town manhattan be . that was address to james clapper. the total number of pipe bombs are 13. authorities had zeroed in on florida as a possible origin for each of the packages. at this hour postal inspectors are sifting through literally millions of pieces of mail searches for the possible there could be other potential explosives. we have a lot of people here to break it all down for you. jim kavanaugh, a former atf agent. clint van zandt, tom winter and ben kol licollins. clint, if you re interview now, what are you asking? one of the things we have going for us is because there s explosive devices that jim kavanaugh and others were doing this interview, we don t have to advise him of his rights. there s a public safety aspect where we can interview about anymore bombs in mail, who was working with you, where was your bomb making site. there s a number of things we need to urgently do now that the law allows us to do. we do what s urgent. we get a search warrant. we search his van, house, internet communications, his telephone. try to find out what other connections he has. again, this is still a race because we have to believe if there are 13 devices out there, the two columbine shooters built more than 100 pipe bombs. there could be some out in the mail, inside his house or van. that has to continue as urgent as possible until we get those answers. then the wheels of justice will start to grinds as far as prosecuting this person. if this is still a public safety issue, and this has put so many americans on edge and i m sure that if you live anywhere near one of the people whose face is sign on that fan or who you know has been criticized from the right, what do you say to those folks right now? the danger from this bomber is not completely over yet as clint has described. there could still be similar devices in the mail stream or other devices that he placed. we still don t know about accomplic accomplices. if you re a critic of the president which is all these targets, public people and politicians, just be careful. you should be careful going forward. it should be a lesson to you. luckily we are glad this guy is better at leaving evidence than at making bombs. he s left a giant trail for investigators to follow. our investigators clearly are really good at this. the investigators are great. when you make a bomb, you get a,0a thousand federal agents plus detectives. this guy is not a sophisticated criminal and not a sophisticated bomb maker. he have going to get caught. he s probably going to get convicted because there s so much evidence. just to build on what clint said, remember the exception to the miranda warning for public safety only means that the argument in the court is whether or not that statement is excluded. when you get a case like this with so much evidence, probably dna, likely fingerprints, all the bomb components at his home. the bomb factory, tape, tool marks, the van with the motive. maybe he makes statement. it s not going to be that significant if a sentence or two of what he might say will be suppressed. this will be gobs and gobs of physical evidence. his commuputer. he searched the addresses of all these people. i bet you probably cannot give me the middle name of joe biden yesterday but it s on the bomb label. the middle name of james clapper. that s on the bomb label. this guy searching that to get these addresses. that s all going to be on his google search. think about the case. prosecutors can make this case. clint is exactly right about the wa warning. they re going to do that if they need to. the key is stopping somebody from getting hurt. if there s some argument that s later lost in the federal court, it s only about a small statement that would not be admitted. i want to look ahead to this press conference. there s a lot we need to know about what they are likelycharg that comes together. both you guys have teams that are working on this nonstop and start with you, tom. what do we know about this guy that s relevant here. we know he has arrest records that go back to the early 90s, starting in florida. we have an eight page criminal history for him just in the state of florida. we have found an arrest of a charge that goes to minnesota. we know in 1994, he was arrested in middlesex county, new jersey. at that time he was living in new york city. he had an address on broadway. this is something who has a lengthy criminal history. is it violent criminal history? the violent charges are third-degree felonies or less. it doesn t indicate they are serious incidents. i think of interest though is in 2002 he was charged with making a bomb threat in the miami area. that s something that we ll have to take a look at once we get the court paper work and something we have to go to the courthouse and get. we re in the process of doing that now. he was penalized for making this bomb threat. we would like to know what was the bomb threat specifically and something we re looking to figure out. as far as his background from a criminal perspective, i would say it is significant. as far as any recent interactions with law enforcement from a violent nature, that doesn t appear to have been the case here. one of the things that is different now than we had before is that we can learn an awful lot about people by looking at their social media. we have some video. this is from twitter. this is him from a donald trump rally. this is from 2016 rally. if we can play some of that video. ben, talk to us about what social media. this was posted in 2018. do we have it? here it goes. we ll take a look at this. this just in a loop that they have done. what else social media tell us? the facebook page, facebook version of the van. he was the sole followers of the only two accounts. one was called kill george soros. the first person who got bomb. the second was kill all socialists. he followed a bunch of pro-trump facebook groups. he posted from trump rallies on his facebook page. it is a version of the van. again, on the bomb, there was a right wing meme on the bomb itself. all of this comports to one larger picture that we re seeing about this. one of the things we always end up asking in these questions is what about motive. i heard you talking about this earlier, jim. you said you would love to be the prosecutor in the case because motive is pretty much laid out on the van. we re hearing potentially motive is laid out on his social media pages. you ve always written criminal complaints on bombers. you know sort of what the process is that s going on right now and that may be presented to us in half an hour or so at this press conference. help us in that context of what s happening right at this minute to bring this guy to justice, if indeed he s guilty. there s fbi agents and postal inspectors in new york city. they are sitting around a desk with probably an assistant u.s. attorney and writing out an affidavit for a criminal complaint. one of those agents will sign that affidavit. it will be pretty short. might be a page or two. it will start out by saying i m agent jim kavanaugh and i ve been an argument for 30 years. i investigate bombs. as a result he ll tell the evidence. we don t know what it is. it may be the fbi lab found hair in the bomb and was able to raise dna. we were able to check that against sayoc. i m going to interrupt you for a second because we have new information. tom i m going to go to you on this. i understand now there is a 14th device that has been found, is that correct? little bit of cautious on this one. my colleague has been working the phones for the past several minutes. authorities are investigating a package addressed to tom steyer in california. multiple law enforcements telling nbc. at this time it s not immediately clear that the package is linked to the other 13. we re up to 13 sent to all the politicians and public figures we have been reporting on. at this point we re up to 13. the reporting on that from andy who has just been pounding the phones out there in california. he s based in our l.a. bureau, the out ward appearance of it and the description matches the other packages. they are still waiting to do the final bit of forensics before we can call it 13. at this point all signs are pointing to it. this suspicious package that s sent to tom steyer is still being looked at. right now we re at 13, including the harris package. we re looking to see if we re up to 14 with tom steyer. that s the latest from my colleague. jim kavanaugh, giving the overwhelming amount of evidence they have, all of these previous explosive devices, how quickly do you think they will determine whether this is from the same person? really quickly once they look at it. once the agents look at it. if it s the same, it s very basic. it s the envelope the same and the device is the same once the bomb squad render safe procedure. they will call in to miami, jttf and say it s the same thing. we ll send it on a lab but it looks the same. it s a visual cursory inspection. the lab will follow up matching finger prints and evidence and tool marks and dna. they ll be able to tell right away because all of these are the same. the most pressing thing is is there any danger. how do we narrow down the field of search of i don t know how much packages the u.s. postal service goes through in a day. you re talking about breathtaking numbers here. how are you approaching him? what s your demeanor and what s some of the other things we might not think is obvious that you ll try to get out of this guy early on? you might use what we call a clean team. you you may have two agents go in. they do the interview but they re not part of the other investigation. if there s ever a question you interviewed him because of this public urgency and that contaminated the rest of the investigation, you re able to separate those two to begin with. jim talked about how that affidavit would be put together. we don t have to charge him with everything he s done. we don t even know everything he s gone with now. we could charge him with something simple of making or possession of a bomb or bomb making materials just to use that to hold. then we ll come back with the sup superceding indictment. we want to keep this guy in custody but we don t have to lay out our whole case because right now we don t know the whole case. this is someone you would like to develop some report with. we would want to talk with this guy. you want to show some empathy to his cause. we ve got this tremendous public urgency now. we want to build this case on him. until that time comes up, he s going to be my new best friend until he asked for that attorney. malcolm nance is with us as well. tell us what you re hoping to hear. i m hoping the attorney general gives us a broad out line of this plot. most importantly there s two factors that the others have been bringing up. we don t know the breadth of this. i hope tths one individual. i pray to god this is only one individual who did this.ths one. i pray to god this is only one individual who did this.htths o. i pray to god this is only one individual who did this.istths . i pray to god this is only one individual who did this. itths individual. i pray to god this is only one individual who did this.stths o individual. i pray to god this is only one individual who did this. one in. i pray to god this is only one individual who did this. do we know does he have a house? does he have an apartment? was he living out of his van? i know the new york times interviewed someone who had taken a photo of the van. he said when he would see this parked, it suggested somebody was staying in it. it s really interesting you should say that. i got a note from one of our producers, they ve been looking another a bankrupty filing from 2012. in the filing at the bottom it says he lives with his mom. that s back in 2012. there s indications from one of my other colleagues that his mom has since passed away. not sure if he s still or was living with his mom or is perhaps living in this van that we re looking at on our screen right now. a little bit of a unclear. he ran into financial difficulties. we see court filings we were getting our hands back on. would have appeared there would have been a foreclosure. it s somebody whose economic stability was in question. we have video of the burli g burlingame postal facility. you see where authorities are investigating that package. we just learned about address to the california billionaire, activist, tom steyer. you have seen him on tv. i interviewed him this week. he was sitting on this test. he spent about $150 million this cycle. he has those ads out there talking about impeachment. as wii loe re looking at the sc what s going on? right now and i m sure jim kavanaugh would probably speak best, they are trying to determine if this device is identical to the others. as we started this on monday of this week with the package that george soros, there s opportunity for other people to have sent other hoax devices or even real devices in hopes of catching the wave of publicity on this campaign that this bomber has done. we don t know whether this is real or not. if we re lucky, it s not. also, interestingly, i think this campaign s not over. i think there are multiple devices that still may be within the bloodstream of the post office. the mail stream. some of the more high profile people that this individual would take an interest in haven t received devices yet. based on just that juxtaposition of what he had on his carv verss who woas on his target list, ths makes since that tom steyer would be on there. the number of devices, just think about this. only this morning we were outside a postal facility looking at the pictures of all the police cars on 52nd street in midtown manhattan. now here we are, literally in just a matter of hours, i think the new york city store broke around 9:00. here we are at 2:00 and we re doing aerial shots overhead of a place where there s another suspicious package. right. it gives you a picture of the bombers mind. look at all the effort and time he put into making all of these devices. mr. de niro was one of the victims. one of his great lines is it doesn t take much strength to pull the trigger but it s hard to go to work every day. you know this is a bomber that s spent a whole lot of time making these devices. it didn t take much strength either to mike all these bombs. he probably should have been going to work every day instead of doing this. now he s caught. malcolm makes great point. i m like malcolm now. there could be a few more of these. pictures on his van of michael moore. people like that need to be real cautious. it s almost what s next. this has taken over the news for a week. there s a will the of bombers i didn t catch and clint and his team didn t catch. i saw the bombs mthey made and it s really scary. it s not this level of stuff. there s people that have capabilities and can be really awful. we really ought to pay attention to this stuff. bombs can be left, placed. they don t have to be mailed. they can be left on your front stoop. we could see something else. that s something we ought to think about. we re watching slowly what is happening and we have this aerial shot that is over california. the latest one whose name was on a package that was suspicious. this one in burlingame, california. we re learning there s a tweet from andrew gillum. he is the democrat who is running for governor in florida. his name is something that has come up repeatedly on the social media. of course. our top priority is ensuring our campaign, volunteers and public events are safe and we have taken strong security precautions. we have no evidence our offices have been targeted. we are in close contact with authorities as this situation develops. it does show you the amount of understandable nervousness if you have ever been if you found out you ve been mentioned by him on social media. if there s a picture of you or any reference of you on his van or if you re someone who has been a frequent target of the right, understandably, you might be nervous and that s what andrew gillum is responding to. this is the idea that he would be new to violence is not doesn t appear to be the case. the fact he actually had charges against him. and he threatened george soros on his twitter account. this fits a pattern we saw from him on facebook and twitter. these accounts were not taken down. they were up right until today. let me ask you, to this point, as we look at this tweet from andrew gillum. he s not the only one nervous about this. any number of people, again, including quasi private citizens who have been named here. is there anything that the atf or any other organization is doing understanding that if there s a belief there may be more out there watching particular areas where those people live. a lot is being done with these particular packages and the outside look of them. everybody in the country can see this on the news. the postal service, 800,000 employees is looking for these. that s why we re finding them. these things are getting stopped that look loike this. what is worrisome is the next event where people thinking bombs come through the mail. i ve had them in lamps, radios, television sets, christmas presents, plywood boxes. i could tell you on and on. tool boxes. they could be put in anything and left for you. never accept the package. i think tom winter has some new information. we have been pouring over these court documents. there s some civil litigation involving the suspect today. my colleague has been pouring through this. just to give you a sense of what this person did for work. going back to 2013, 2014 time period he was involved in an arrest as far as stealing money from a business. there was a probation filing in that case and sayoc asked to judge to modify his probation to allow him to travel. apparently, according to the court documents it says the defendant is a road manager for a vieariety of traveling road review shows. his responsibilities involve the sale of merchandise, coordinating bookings and super visi sizing operations. he could earn between 100 to $200 a day. he was countdown to go back out on tour. one of the reasons we go through somebody s background and somebody home may have said why do we care. it helps us understand if the person was regularly traveling. jim was talking about sometimes people lose their employment or lose their occupation, it makes them turn to do these types of activitie activities. we have seen that in a number of terrorism cases. it appears in the 2012, 2013 time period from the criminal filings and civil filings, at that point he was violating his probation and had been arrested on a charge and filed for bankruptcy and at that point appeared to not have a steady 9 to 5 job. he was travelings a road manager for these review shows. if you look at his saying he these places. he didn t appear to have a steady job. this is not somebody who was steadi steadily employed. that s a pretty good precursor to somebody making a significant change in their lifestyle or rae having a tendency going toward acting out as law enforcement puts it. we have in each of these places and in each of these states, we have units that are expert on this. we have new york city and now we have burlingame, florida. we have seen this play out and seen the teams go in and the devices removed and taken out. what s going on in those areas and what does the volume of it say to you? you re referring to the vents after 9/11. the efforts on the part of the national government, state and local law enforcement who better coordinate, better collaborate. you ve been seeing over the last several days the poetry of that activity. the video is showing right now of the white van when it was initially approached by law enforcement. you have fbi. you have atf. you have postal authorities. you have nypd counter terrorism no, sir. we have improved so much from our pre- 9/11 days in these last 15, 16 years. it could not have been anything but beneficial in accelerating the pace of this investigation and a successful conclusion of it. when you have a situation like this, bill, we re looking ahead to what we re going to hear a short time from now when the department of justice and other law enforcement officials announce developments in this ongoing investigation, what are you say and what do you hold back? you have to hold a lot back. they will be able to talk about some details but a lot of it, the prosecutors will ask if it will be held back while they continue to prepare their case. this is still very preliminary in moving this to what will be a prosecution. it s still gathering of phenomenal amounts of evidence going on. searching the vehicle. trying to trace his movements. tries to find out where he bought the materials and trying to find out was he truly a loner. was he working in collusion with others. american law enforcement didn t have time for that. they have to focus to protect the public. the speed with which they brought this to getting somebody spoo k into custody. do you say post- 9/11, we have gotten better and better. the american people still on edge. individuals who may be on edge because they have been targets of criticism from the far right or may have had their name mentioned. we know so much more and we re better at this now than we have been before. certainly. the training, clollaborative training and joint exercises. even as we tear each other apart politically, american law enforcement during this time of turmoil has been drawing closer target part of necessity. they ve had to be basically pulled together and created into what we re seeing today which is moving forward in the prosecution part of it. that s the good news that as people have increasingly unsettled about the political turmoil, american law enforcement, watching the progress of those two agencies and collaborative efforts with colleagues, we have gotten so much better, continuing to try to get better. it s always great to get your expertise. we do appreciate you calling in. i want to bring in matt miller. i have the release in front of me about this press conference we re waiting to start. the searouthern district of new york. you ve been in the planning and execution of some of these high profile press conferences. what are you expecting? i think we ll find out in a few minutes right before the press conference, the charges of the individual. you ll see the attorney general come out and walk through what the charges are. in some cases you ll hear them walk through, not evidence, not so much evidence in the case because that will have to wait until later. they are confined to what is in the charges but how the fbi conducted this i venvestigationd how they narrowed in on them. you ll see messages from law enforcement will not stand for this kind of violence and they will be united and taking action against it. what i hope we will hear from them is some kind of message from others who might be thinking of taking political violence. they should turn away from that path. i think there s a parallel you can draw here to a number of the home grown terrorism cases we have seen over the years where someone has really been self-radicalized. they have not been directed to contact a terror attack but they have been on the internet and looked around and sort of self-recruited into hatrehatred. you see them take this step where they turn from hay treatro violence. it s very clear. i think it would be important for a high profile member of this administration to send a signal to anyone else that might be thinking of committing violence that it s the wrong path and won t be tolerated. joyce, obviously if they lay out the charges here, they don t need to be, has been pointed out, all the charges. they don t need to tell us everything that they have that s going into arresting and charging this guy. what would you expect to see? i think we ll see is a minimal charge needed to justify the arrest of the defendant in this case. it seems unlikely they ve had time to go to a grand jury. as everyone else has been saying, we ll see a complaint with an affidavit from an argument that will be sufficient to establish probable cause. gym kavanaugh kncav jim kava probably started working on that affidavit when they had the first bomb in hand. agents would have to provide probable cause to believe there s evidence that all the elements of that charge could be sustained. it will be as others have suggested a pretty spartan document. you can only talk about what s in the four corners of the document. i think joyce has done a terrific job explaining the four corners of the indictment. the reason why they have to do that is because you can t make statements as prosecutors outside of the statement you re making in court. they want to avoid making a prejudicial statement. he s also a bad guy for these other things. you can t do that. one thing i may point out is complaints when they are done this close to an arrest in ongoing law enforcement, we don t get a lot of detail. completely agree with joyce and matt. a lot of information in there and charging documents. at the very least i would expect there s an idea how they got on the this particular individual and what led them up to today s arrest even if we don t know the totality of the investigation. earlier plantation, florida. you see the moving vehicle. one of three locations already today that we learned that suspicious packages were found. teams were sent to the scene to get those bombs, to take them away. on the upper right, 56-year-old cesar sayoc junior is the suspect in this case. we expect to learn more about him. joining us here in the studio along with the rest of our team is former counter terrorism in the obama administration. i think everybody has pointed out about the extent of what we re going to hear. one point was made. it s a message don t do this. is the second message we ve got this. a big part of this and by having a line up with the names in it that we re seeing is to tamp down some of the fear that s out there? i think it s very important when ever you have a disaster situation for the authorities in charge to communicate. here is what we know. here is what we don t know and here is what we re trying to find out. i wouldn t be surprised to see that exact formula followed in the press conference. i think the point about there being other packages still out in the mail stream is an important one that just because there s a suspect in custody, doesn t mean our vigilance can slip for one second when there s already a report of another package found today. we all have to be on alert. as they say in the marine corps, everybody is in the infantry. in america, everybody is in the counter terrorism. that doesn t mean there s a young kid, your grandma, whoever. everybody should have their eyes open. if they see something, say something. the approach from the officials today at the press conference needs to be we have this but there s still more out there and still more we need you to do to help us bring this to a close. the investigating unit and tom winter and ben collins adding to that here as well. he s done a whole bunch of different jobs. what does that tell you about him and how you re trying to approach him. figure out is the danger still out there and where is it? yeah, number one we want this guy to talk to him. we want to empathize with him. we want to suggest we can understand although none of us can, we want to say we understand what you did, why you did it. we want this guy right now he s going to be confused, frightened. he s under arrest. he doesn t know what s going to happen. we want to, in all honesty, take advantage of that only under the public safety aspect. we want to find out what other devices are out there. this guy has a history dating back to 2002 when he had a run in with a utility employee in florida. he wasn t getting the service he wanted so he said you re not doing what i want to do. if i threw a bomb at you, maybe you would do what i asked you to do. that suggest 16 years ago this guy was thinking about bombs as way of conflict resolution. this has been in my mind for a long time. this is someone who had a challenged, frustrated life. that s okay. we need to find out all of that. what else he s involved in and everything we have seen so far about this individual s background doesn t suggest necessarily that he would be one to inspire others to work with him. could someone else have helped him, of course they could. this appears to be a lone individual who might have done this on his own unless he can find someone as challenged as he is to work along side of him. there s been change in his appearance. we have just gotten a mugshot. there he was on the left. that was from 2002. then you have the recent one on the right which is what we have been showing. this is an opportunity for us to see the change in his appearance, at least. one of the outstanding questions and we have talked about this a lot is whether or not this was meant to just i don t just is the wrong word. this is meant to instill terror. they would never be operational devices or if he intended to kill people. does it matter in. it will make a distinction. there will be a bright line decision for prosecutors to make about whether these were devices that were intended to function that didn t or whether they were hoax devices intended merely to scare. that will determine whether or not prosecutors charge under certain statutes. would that include a terrorism statute? that s difficult to draw here. the decision whether or not to charge that particular statute will turn on the weight of the explosive. there will have to be more than four ounces for it to be a weapon of mass destruction. in terms of the actual sentence we re looking at, there probably won t be an enormous difference between charging this as an explosive device and charging it as a weapon of mass destruction. sometimes we get a bit wrapped around this issue of whether or not a crime is actually an act of terrorism but in terms of the sentence the defendant receives, it typically won t make an enormous amount of difference. it does to some extent, malcolm nance, it does change the way people perceive this. there s a legal definition and another definition about how this affects every day americans. how they view it. how they view it not just in a post anything else world but the kind of atmosphere, be divisive, divided atmosphere that we re in politically. is this terrorism as you see it? this is undoubtedly terrorism. that is what this was intended to do at a minimum was to be an intimidation campaign. whether he intended to kill or not, those explosive devices and jim kavanaugh thinks they are viable. that s good enough for me. when this goes over, people like joyce vance and they have to make an indictment against this individual, they have a different definition and set of standards they will apply. as far as this nation is concerned, we re going on our fourth, fifth day of being completely intimidated by this persons campaign to attempt to assassinate or attempt to murder a very high number of high ranking american citizens. we re told this press concer conference is going to start any minute. i may end up interrupting you jim kavanaugh. i understand you have some new information about the van and the stickers on the van. just building on the discussion with clint, this guy, every sticker on that van is a call to communicate. he wants to communicate with people down the road. he s trying to put his message out. his computer, he has two websites but he s the only lurker. he s a guy who wants to communicate. even his bombs are communication. you want to make him talk. the other point i would make with his eight page wrap sheet, if he s a convicted felon, he can t vote in florida. that s on the ballot in the next couple of weeks in florida for felons to vote. it s an interesting point. i know if he s a felon but he s been charged with felonies. we see this press conference is about to start. we expect to learn more from attorney general jeff sessions and others. let s listen. thank you all for being here. over the past week more than a dozen suspicious packages have been sent through the united states postal service to a media outlet, a hollywood actor and at least seven high ranking current and former political leaders in the democratic party. this is utterly unacceptable. political violence or the threat of violence is antithet cal to our vigorous system of self-government. violence is antithetical to our system of self government. it is a threat to that respect for law and process that allows our people to accept legislation, elections, court rulings with which they do not agree. this is our central system for our government, you advakt focar your believes enthusiastically but we peacefully comply for the results. focusing their great talents and expertise on neutralizing this threat, they have moved swiftly and professionally using extraordinary technical expertise to apprehend the one alleged responsible. this is a demonstration of the skill, capability and determination of our american law enforcement, the best in the world. to participate in this announcement that a suspect is in the custody of the fbi. i want to remind everyone that the defendant in this case as in every case is innocent until proven guilty. he has been charged today with five federal crimes including interstate transportation of an explosive, illegal mailing of explosives, threats against former presidents and certain other persons, threatening interstate communications and assaulting current and former federal officers. for these charges the defendant faces up to 50 years in prison. these charges may change or expand as the investigation proceeds. this is a law and order administration. we will not tolerate such lawlessness, especially not political violence. and so i want to thank fbi director ray and his team, all of our law enforcement partners who are here, atf, secret service, postal inspectors, capital police, and new york city police department. and the united states at or near berman of the southern district of new york, and u.s. attorney for the southern district of alabama ariana. federal and state and local law enforcement responded immediately to the cause and contributed to this effort. we are proud of each one of them. i want to reiterate that the defendant in this case is innocent until proven guilty. but let this be a lesson to anyone regardless of their political beliefs that we will bring the full force of law against anyone who attempts to use threats, intimidation and outright violence to further an agenda. we will find you, we will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. and now director ray who s done an incredible job leading this effort over the last few days, he will give us the details of today s important arrest. chris. as the attorney general has confirmed we have arrested caesar saoc in connection with this investigation. as this investigation is still ongoing i may not be able to answer questions ability his background or about his motive. what i can say is this was a nation would investigation of enormous scope and of the greatest importance. our investigation ranged from new york to delaware to maryland to the district of columbia to florida to california. and as it always does our fbi responded with every force we ve got including our joint terrorism task forces, our counter terrorism division and our world rekbouned experts at the fbi lab in quantico. but and i really can t underscore this enough, we did not act alone. as you can see from the agencies and departments represented up here today. a threat of this scope and of this magnitude requires all of us working shoulder to shoulder. and today s arrest is a testament to the strength of our partnerships and what we can do when we all work together. i want to acknowledge the many partners who helped in recovering and transporting these ieds to your lab in quantico. this is dangerous and highly skilled specialized work that requires great care, and we re incredibly grateful to all of those who helped us in that effort in getting those devices to our lab from around the country. we can confirm that 13 ieds were sent to various individuals across the country. each device consisted of roughly 6 inches of pvc pipe, a small clock, a battery, some wiring and what is known as intergetic material, which is essentially potentially explosives and material that give off heat and energy in reaction to heat, shock or friction. though we re still analyzing the devices in our laboratory, these are not hoax devices. i want to focus for a moment on the amazing work of our folks at the fbi lab. based on their initial analysis they uncovered a latent fingerprint from one of the envelopes containing an ied that had been sent to congresswoman maxine waters. we have confirmed this fingerprint is that of caesar. there is also a possible dna connection between samples collected of pieces of two different ieds mailed in separate envelopes, and a sample previously connected in connection with an earlier arrest down in florida. this is phenomenal work with the greatest pressure under an incredibly tight time frame. we see unbelievable work like this on tv and hollywood. but to see it up close in reality is something to behold, and we are so proud of our team at the lab for their work in keeping people safe and helping us to find the individual responsible. late last night we also turned to our partners in florida for confirmation of this dna connection, and we want to thank them in particular for their very quick work. i also want to thank the men and women of the fbi s count terrorism division who remain on high alert from harm, and who move quickly and efficiently into action every single time. today s arrest doesn t mean we re all out of the woods. there may be other packages in transit now and other packages we need the help of everyone out there, every citizen, everyone in law enforcement, everyone we ve got to help with this investigation in the days to come. if you ve got any information please call us on our tip line 1-800 call fbi. no piece of information is too smaum. every tip could be the one that leads to something important. and of course if you see something suspicious, suspicious activity, please call your local authorities. we need all hands on deck. finally i want to thank our partners. too many to name because we can t do this work alone. everyone up here today understands that and we take that to heart every single day as we do the hard work together of protecting 325 million americans. now i d like to turn the podium over to commissioner o neill from the nypd. thanks, chris. good afternoon, everyone. quite frankly all the people of the new york city, i want to commend and thank all of our local, state, and federal law enforcement partners in this effort including the attorney general s office and the office for the southern district of new york. our nypd detectives along with fbi and atf agents, new york state police and many others, they are one team on our joint terrorist task force. the jttf in new york was the first of its kind in our nation. today there were 350 investigators. when it comes to terrorism in new york city the nypd doesn t do anything without the fbi and the fbi doesn t do anything without the nypd. that s a partnership that was forged in fire. our relationship has never been stronger. this case told that story again. new york city cops were side by side with fbi agents and many other agencies in florida this morning. together they brought justice as they always do. the wide experience of our
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biala guest. managed by for. this is d. w. news longer from berlin tonight michael flynn the disgraced former general who worked for president drunk and lied to the f.b.i. a u.s. court has postponed sentencing for flint but not before a judge lambasted him saying the former national security adviser sold out his own country also coming up the dangers and the hate confronting reporters around the world a new report shines a light on the journalism daring to tell the truth no matter the call plus in sports english premier league giants manchester united fire coach josie marine the football club pulled the plug on the controversial manager after the worst start to the season in nearly three decades. i m brink off it s good to have you with us tonight we know that u.s. president donald trump s former national security adviser will not be going to prison at least this year today a federal judge in washington post poll the sentencing of michael flynn the disgraced former general had pleaded guilty to deceiving the f.b.i. about his contacts with russia s ambassador to the u.s. . in january twenty seventeen just days before trump became u.s. president clinton originally said that he had not met the ambassador when in fact he had the judges said by doing so flynn arguably sold out his country now lying to federal agents carries a five year prison sentence flynt is the highest profile culprit so far in special counsel robert muller s investigation into links between trump s election campaign and russia are joining us now from washington is our correspondent swager my it s good to see you have this was supposed to be a cut and dry sentence and instead it s been postponed what changed the mood within the court room i understand there was a lot of drama. andy and not just in the courtroom but even just between yesterday and today when the the buzz around town shall we say was that when might get zero jail time given that prosecutors are saying he had been extremely cooperative with the mauler investigation and maybe even perhaps wanted to keep him around for more help and they were recommending zero jail time people were expecting that that was going to be the case and now we see this change in the courtroom with the judge some harsh words for flynn stopping short of accusing him outright of treason but really a judge who seem not sympathetic to the cause that flynn and his lawyers are trying to put forward which is that he was contrite about his crimes he wanted to plead guilty he was trying to help do the right thing now and the judge seemed like he was just having none of it so now we ve got this postponement a postponement that the judge himself offered to flynn and to his lawyers previous to simply declaring it and will have to await pins and needles until the judge decides what to do next you know we understand this idiocy has been postponed until march of next year does this mean that there is more that investigators i m thinking of course the special prosecutor mr mohler maybe mere the they want to get from flip. it s entirely possible although we should note that at the beginning of the proceedings today the prosecutors came forward and said if i can just look at my notes here that flynn had given all he had to give and had provided the vast majority of his political cooperation which is political speak for we ve khana used him up now so what more there is to give kind of there s a question mark hanging over that it s possible that the prosecutors were recommending zero jail time simply because they felt good about what he had our quest and prosecutors who say well we don t really know what to do with him anymore because all of this reflect on president drawn. well we definitely know the president is watching he had a want to his early morning tweet storms it going so far as to wish michael flynn luck which is a big one eighty from the way he s treated other people who have come under scrutiny who have been cooperating also with moller investigation the president has actually stood by flynn for the past almost two years now since he s been under investigation unlike how he s treated some how they re people but all of this is coming difficult time for the president we ve got a lot of political hay being made and various other stories happening as we are on the story for. the high drama day in washington maya thank you. but here are some of the other stories now that are making headlines around the world russia iran in turkey and said that a nuclear syrian constitutional committee should begin early next year kicking off a political peace process in syria russian foreign minister sergey lavrov made the comments in a joint statement after a meeting with un special envoy. in geneva. belgian prime minister charles michel has announced his resignation michel was forced to set up a minority government last week his right wing coalition partners have quit in protest over belgium backing a new win pact on migration and inquiry into zimbabwe s july presidential election has found the army s use of live bullets to stop violence was disproportionate and unjustified six protesters were killed and dozens injured in the unrest emmerson in gone became the first elected head of state in zimbabwe in thirty seven years america s top public health officer has called for action to curb the use of electronic cigarettes by teenagers and adolescents surgeon general jerome adams said young people s use of the devices at. exploded to epidemic proportions he urged adults to educate youth about the dangers of they. were now to china it has been forty years since china opened up to world markets and to a degree capitalism ultimately turning china into a global economic powerhouse second in g.d.p. only to the united states now forty years ago china was producing goods and services worth around one hundred fifty billion dollars annually by nine hundred ninety seven you see the sharp rise their g.d.p. had hit the trillion dollar mark and by last year its gross domestic product had grown to more than twelve trillion dollars and of course is if you can believe the statistics now in his speech marking the anniversary chinese president xi jinping bounded to press ahead with economic reforms he also made clear that beijing would not deviate from its one party system or be bossed around by other countries. it was an impeccably choreographed event designed to showcase china s transformation from an inward looking farming based society to the economic giant it is today. the country s president sieging paying credited forty years of term socialism with chinese characteristics for lifting people out of poverty and pushing china on the international stage. but that stage now more than ever is fraught with tension in a thinly veiled reference to his country s month long trade dispute with the united states she has this to say. there s no textbook of rules to follow for the reforms and opening of china a country with five thousand years of history and civilization and with a population of more than one point three billion people no one is in a position to dictate to the chinese people what should or shouldn t be done. no one not even seemingly the leader of the most powerful economy in the world this footage shows seizing ping having dinner with u.s. president donald trump at the g twenty summit in argentina earlier this month the result was an agreement to a ninety day truths in their trade conflict. but the arrest since then of a top executive of chinese tech equipment giant way has left that truce on shakier ground than ever the tone coming from beijing today was defiant china won t be pushed around. on the in geo reporters without borders has released its annual report and it makes for a dismal reading when it comes to freedom of the press and information the reporters or people working in the media have been killed so far this year that s fifteen more than and twenty seventeen most of the deaths happened in afghanistan syria mexico yemen and india and the number of journalists jailed has risen to three hundred forty eight china egypt turkey iran and saudi arabia account for most detentions the at all it s another country that keeps a tight leash on its media and that power extends beyond the country s borders simon young met a vietnamese journalist who has been running an online news portal wide here in berlin for the past decade. believes there s a hunger for uncensored information in vietnam especially from young people to reach that audience from his office in far away berlin he s taken to the internet. these. fast food water this information is almost forbid an in vietnam if a journalist tells the truth about politics he will probably have a problem straight away. he could be threatened or arrested or beaten up people are so interested to get information about politics that it s all there for us on. chua has been publishing pieces on his news website about his home country for ten years usually in vietnamese sometimes in german mostly he writes about vietnamese politics and the situation of his country many in europe. he s reported many times on the case of chinch one time who sort of asylum in germany but was allegedly kidnapped in berlin by vietnamese agents and now faces trial in her noise such stories says lee truong chua have annoyed the vietnamese or storage it s. how websites has been blocked in vietnam since july twenty seventeen normally when you type in. d. and nothing comes up. he says a lot of his information comes from journalists in vietnam who can t tell what they know there but he says even working in germany is dangerous. and we are by then if we work here we get threats really from real people they call us or they send a text saying they want to kill us. despite the obstacles is getting past the vietnamese senses he says his site was accessed more than two and a half million times during a recent month mostly from computers in vietnam but that success will not stop him calling for greater freedom of speak in germany never shuts down a vietnamese page so why does vietnam close a german page it s not right it s an injustice which must be ended. and these are. our forces now. has been fired as manchester united manager after two and a half years in the job if we can defeat two bitter rivals liverpool proved to be the west role for united s board with the side six in the english premier league after their worst start to the season since one thousand nine. the legacy of former manchester united manager alex ferguson looms large his thirteen premier league titles have been a tough act to follow josie marino became the latest coach to be tasked with reviving the club in two thousand and sixteen his impressive c.v. included success at porto chelsea it s a man and by all madrid the early signs were good with the europa league title in his first season but worries about his defensive style of play began to eat away at fans the portuguese spent nearly four hundred fifty million euros on new players such as paul pogba but demanded even mole from the reluctant bald rumors also circled that stars including france world cup win appalled but were unhappy with merinos methods and public criticism of his squad. so sometimes what you see is not to get students in. i seen. that some more than others. to say no. no radio leaves with a reported twenty million euro payout and united focus which is to a new permanent coach probably for next season xina dean s a down is available after leaving bale madrid following three champions league triumphs while top them hotspurs more rich tino is adept at developing young players just like ferguson the challenge of restoring united s form of glory and in for all in their millions of fans again is huge whoever takes charge. when you re watching w news live from berlin we ll be back at the top of the hour with more
jon meacham, thank you both for joining us over the past several hours and stay tund for continuing coverage of the life and legacy of george h.w. bush. good morning, everyone. it is 7:00 here in the east. 4:00 a.m. out west. america s 41st president, george herbert walker bush has died. over this next hour, his defining moments in the oval office, chaperoning the fall of the berlin wall and soviet union. swift victory in the gulf war and one big promise that he could not keep. to his post presidency a further life of public service through his foundation plus the heroism in his early years. the pub luck servant, the statesman, the family man, this morning president george h.w. bush remembered. prudence, humility and a lifetime devoted to public service, the country is mourning george h.w. bush. he passed away last night at age 94. his values and ideals now being honored across the political spectrum. the 41st president helped end four decades of cold war. his popularity soured after a coalition victory in iraq and a weak economy but he entered the white house with one of the most impressive resumes of any u.s. president. lester holt has more on the life, career and legacy of president george h.w. bush. i come before you and assume the presidency at a moment rich with promise. reporter: for george bush, becoming president was the capstone of a lifetime of public service that would also include being the father of a president. in fact, the bush family has been among the most prominent in american political history. but while george h.w. bush grew up in wealth and privilege and went to the best schools, he also learned the importance of serving his country. a navy pilot during world war ii, he was shot down over the pacific and rescued by a passing submarine. the moment incredibly captured on camera. he returned home, married his sweet heart, barbara pierce and started a family. moving to texas in 1948 to get into the oil business. they suffered the loss of daughter robin to leukemia, but raised five children. in 1964, the year he turned 40, bush got into politics running for senate. i certainly hope and i ll bet you do too, that our children can grow up knowing what freedom really is. he lost but later won a house seat and ran for senate again in 1970. this time with help from president nixon. and george bush in my opinion is the best man for america. when he lost again, nixon appointed him ambassador to the u.n. i consider myself a very lucky guy. but his next job was chairman of the republican party during water gate. you try being chairman of the republican party during the water gate day, you re talking about a ghastly assignment. bush escaped water gate unscathed and nixon s successor made him his envoy to china. just a year later an evening bigger azyme sissignment. cia, i loved. one year only but i loved defending the culture at a time when everybody was down on it. when ford lost to jimmy carter bush left the cia. what he did next was run for president. i do pledge a new candor. reporter: bush lost the nomination to ronald reagan in 1980 and his political career seemed over until this stunning announcement. george bush be nominated for vice president. reporter: for eight years bush was reagan s loyal vice president surviving questions about his role in the i ran contrascandal. i am here today to announce my candidacy for president of the united states. reporter: bush emerged from reagan s shadow. i want a kinder and gentler nation. reporter: and made a promise he would later break. read my lips, no new taxes. reporter: george bush defeated democrat and became president of the united states. so help me god. reporter: the bush years saw epic events on the world stage. the square massacre, the fall of the berlin wall, and the collapse of a soviet union itself. by the grace of god, america won the cold war. reporter: but his president s defining moment was saddam hussein s invasion of kuwait. this will not stand the aggression against kuwait. reporter: backed by an international coalition bush launched operation desert storm and drove iraqi forces out. aggression is defeated. the war is over. reporter: but saddam hussein remained in power informal bush s son toppled him 12 years later. i thought he would fall of his own weight when the war ended and i thought they d throw him out of there and they didn t. reporter: bush s post war popular t popularity soared and then sank closer to home. in 1992 he lost to bill clinton becoming a one-term president. i gave service to this country. and now i m perfectly content to let history be the judge. george bush enjoyed an active retirement full of grandchildren, fishing, even sky diving. and he saw his eldest son become president, but he kept his advice to a minimum and his son charted his own course. bush was no stranger to partisan politics but he aspired to a higher ideal as when he teamed up with bill clinton on global relief efforts. you can be political opponents and still work together for something more important than your own political future. reporter: a former president for decades, he saw a granddaughter jenna bush hager become a today show correspondent. aging is all right. better than the alternative. reporter: he saw republicans turning a away from the bush establishment. rejecting son s jeb s bid for the candy. and he survived his wife barbara bush and welcomed an outpouring of affection for her. theirs was the longest marriage in presidential history. george bush was admired as a man of dedecency. and that was lester holt reporting. the other former u.s. presidents are paying tribute to 41 in a statement bush s son and the 43rd president of these united states, george w. bush called his father a man of the highest character and the best dad a son or daughter could ask for. very few americans will ever be able to quote, match president bush s record of service to the united states and the joy he took every day from it and president obama said america s lost a patriot and his legacy of service may never be matched and president obama met with bush 41 at his home in houston just this past tuesday. bush s spokes person tweeting that night about a private and pleasant visit between the two. joining me now from houston, the texas city president george h.w. bush died. a very somber good morning to you in houston. what can you tell us about a city that is clearly in mourning? reporter: yeah, good morning. the former president s death will be felt so acutely here in houston, the city where he d lived since leaving the white house back in the spring of 1993. he was a big ags trostros fan, really reembraced the town where his political career started back in the 1960s. his congressional seat is now being held or will be held for the time since he held it by a democrat starting in this new congress. part of the seismic shift in our politics since george h.w. bush was our president. the city of houston will get a good chance to say good-bye to the former president as will the rest of the country. the official funeral plans have not been released down to the particular detailed level, but here s what we know. he will lie in state in the u.s. capitol and there will be a service for him in washington, d.c. but then he ll come back to texas and there will be a funeral here in houston at st. martin s church. that s the same church where the former first lady barbara bush was honored when she passed away. this then the former president will go to texas a&m university, that s where his presidential library is. he ll be laid to rest there beside his beloved life. 73 years married. they will lay side by side after what will be essentially a week long opportunity for the nation to remember and to thank the 41st president of the united states. garrett, he had certainly been in failing health of late so he despite his love of the astros that you talk about there, he had not been out and about that much recently. do you know the last time houstonians were able to see him or, you know, bestow their best wishes upon him? it really had been a while because of his failing health particularly since the passing of his beloved wife back in april. reporter: the former president had been very much out of the public eye recently. some remarked on the fact that he had not been to the astros playoff games this year as another sign of his failing health but he did go cast his vote in person early for the midterm elections and november 1st there s a photo of him in his wheelchair with a service dog that he got after barbara bush had passed away to help him and also to keep his spirits up out doing his civic duty. wholly appropriate last public outing or at least last public photograph of this president so known and so proud of doing his duty as just a public concept out casting his ballot here in early november, but again, very much out of the public eye over the last several months particularly over the last mopts of his life. you make that note of that very poignant photo of the president casting his vote also with his very dear friend jim baker by his side. that was something that that would be the last public picture of our 41st president. president trump honoring the former president while in argentina. whenever i was with him i saw his absolute joy for life and true pride in his family. his accomplishmentes were great from beginning to end. he will be missed by all. a bit earlier the president and the first lady issued a statement praising bush s authenticity disarming wit and unwaivering commitment to faith, family and country. joining me now, andy card who served as chief of staff but served as assistant to the president and deputy chief of staff for george h.w. bush. andy, with a welcome to you, i will have to extend my apologies for your loss. this must be a very difficult day for you given your closeness with the bush family. how are you feeling today and i d love to get your most fond recollections of our 41st president. president bush was a remarkable man. he truly was one of the most impressive individuals i met in my entire service in government. i consider him like a dad. he was just phenomenal in how good he was. he s probably the finest example of the personification of public service and what it means to be a good citizen, not only in the united states, but a citizen for the world. and it was his leadership style and his ability to listen and learn and then make tough decisions and inspire people to implement those decisions that compelled me to say, i love this person. and i watched his love for his wife and his family. i watched his love even for his enemies and i watched him build a relationship that would always lead to something that was better. he took things and made them better. so was he a saint? no. but was he headed in the right direction? absolutely yes. he was a great friend and i will miss him. but most of all i will i m grateful for the spark that he lit that caused so many other people to join public service and the students at the bush school at texas a&m are his living legacy. those that graduate from the bush school are being implicated to public service and that will continue for generations. you know, as you served as assistant to the president, deputy chief of staff for the years 1989 to 92, when you think about bush 41 s day-to-day engagement, at what level did he get involved in things and can you compare that to other presidents notably his son with whom you worked as well? well, president bush as president learned that the toughest decisions are made by the president and the president has more information than most other people including other former presidents and so he was always respectful of the president that was in office. when i was serving as chief of staff to george w. bush, president bush would call but he would call as a father rather than a former president. he would say i know he s got more information that i will have and i will respect the decision he makes. so he never tried to guide me to guide the president except as a conscience. do the right thing and he would he just understood the burdens of the presidency. he had empathy for every president who served after him and he valued the relationship that he had with ronald reagan so he was a wonderful example to witness and i did find that serving in the white house as chief of staff, i benefitted by having a friend called george h.w. bush who had the understanding of what george w. bush was going through when he was in the oval office. are you perhaps specifically referring to the war in iraq because you were there for operation desert storm and the like with bush 41 and the gulf war and then of course bush 43 in the iraq war. did you get a sense of how the elder bush thought about iraq and comparing the two experiences? absolutely. it even started before that. i remember talking to president george h.w. bu george w. bush the day before he became the president. he was getting ready to receive the instructions on how to work with the military to introduce a code that would start a nuclear war. and i was i remember being in that same position watching george h.w. bush get those instructions and i told the president that the toughest decision that you ll have to make will be the one that will be to send young men and women into harm s way that will make sacrifices that you wouldn t want on anybody. and i watched him make those unbelievely difficult decisions and i told george h.w. bush about it. it s not a game, it s not a theory, it s a reality and i was struck how when president bush made the decision to go into panama and this was the first president bush. i was there after he had been briefed and he was sitting at his desk. he looked up and said out loud that he was making a decision that would cause young men to die and sure enough, some people did die when we captured nor yeah ga a iega and removed him from panama. president bush met with limb and it was a remarkable experience to see him and say that their son was a hero and that he couldn t have done his job without people like his son. and it was very teary but it was also very moving and i made sure that george w. bush understood the personal impact of making these decisions of putting people in harm s way. bush 41 certainly chaperoned the country, the world to a degree through the unraveling of communism. the end of the cold war, but what was he most concerned about as he handled all of that? he was first of all, he was very understanding of the challenges that people like cole would have to go through a. he said we shouldn t be dancing on the wall. we have tough issues to work on and we have relationship to build and he wanted to reach out and make sure that things would go smoothly. i thought it was a remarkable display of the understanding of diplomacy and he managed the end of the cold war in such a way that it never became a hot war. and that was pretty remarkable and there were great dividends that came because of the wonderful leadership that president bush gave the entire world during that challenging time of the berlin wall coming down when many of us did want to dance on the wall and celebrate and he said we have to remember that we can t do anything that would precipitate an insult that would result in escalation to a hot war. and so i was a witness to him being the ultimate diplomat, if you will, and he he s a leader with empathy and concern and he was cautious but decisive when he had to be. of course bush 41, he lost in 1992 to bill clinton after a 90% approval rating during that first gulf war. did you ever think that would happen and when it did did you think it was because he had to go back on the great line that he gave during his campaign when he said read my lips, no new taxes and he ended up having to raise taxes. do you think that was the catalyst for the loss? i do believe that contributed to his inability to win re-election. we also had ha mia mini recessi going. i deal feel the president deserved encourage mott to make the decision he made to accept tax increases knowing that there would be tremendous fiscal discipline that would be imposed in congress. so for ten years, the discipline he put in place because of that pledge ruled in the savings of literally trillions of dollars for american taxpayers and how we spent our money in government and it was a legacy that benefitted bill clinton during his entire presidency and even into george w. bush s early presidency. again, profoundly sad day for you, but thank you for speaking with us about george h.w. bush. very much appreciate the insights. what a great man. indeed. president trump and the first lady also issuing that statement on the death of george h.w. bush while in argentina for the g20 summit. peter, what did they say? reporter: well, we are hearing from president trump early on this day. actually it s noetdable the president will be meeting with president of china as we remember george h.w. bush who served as an early envoy to china. posting what was a gracious statement on twitter referring to george h.w. bush for leading a long, successful and beautiful life. and the white house posted a statement on behalf of the first lady and president trump where they said among other things, disarming wit and unwaivering commitment to be in his words a thousand points of light illuminating the greatness, hope and opportunity of america to the world. that was particularly striking, those words because president trump has not always been so kind to president george h.w. bush s hope for a kinder gentler nation. you ll remember the president was very critical of george h.w. bush during a political rally attacking his points of light. the nonprofit which was points of light that helped raise money for volunteerism. the president saying points of light what the hell is that, saying i don t know what that means. george h.w. bush, they didn t have a personal relationship these two men. a book about a year ago quoted him as describing president trump as a blow hard saying i don t know him but i know he s a blow hard and i don t like him. what is striking about this is just sort of the difference we have witnessed in our politics these days. president george h.w. bush becoming president just 30 years ago but it feels like a millennia ago. there was a tradition that presidents, those living including the current president would all gather together but that tradition has ended in the trump era. the last gathering of living presidents did not include president trump. just last year in college station, texas, of course the home state of george h.w. bush as the living past presidents raised money for hurricane harvey relief. melania trump went in place of her husband to help celebrate the rife of barbara bush when she passed in april of this year. of course the white house has lowered the flag there above the white house to half staff. so it will be a closing day at the g20 where much of the focus obviously back in america will be focused on the legacy of one of president trump s predecessors. well, peter, i will say i m very glad that many of us do understand what the points of light rhetoric meant for george h.w. bush. that would include, you my friend. thank you for joining us on this somber saturday. andrea mitchell, good morning to you. good morning. before i get to your personal recollections because i know that you knew our 41st president and the rest of his family quite well, i m curious as we hear the tributes pouring in for this president, what stands out most to you? humility, service, and dedication. the fact that he was probably the best prepared president we ve had that i can recall. his naval service from a young age of 18, the youngest naval aviator in world war ii in the american forces. he was that first envoy. cia director, a member of congress, all of those different posts the head of the republican party. so he had service at the u.n. and in diplomacy and in intelligence community, i think the cia was his favorite post and the cia building named after him certainly a high honor. but just his humility and his dedication to service and the fact that he was willing to take those hard decisions that andy just spoke of earlier, the raising tax decision foremost as well as some of the other hard decisions that he took against his political self-interest and his political base and not going to baghdad. at the time controversial decision with many, but it proved to be the wisest decision of all. you know, andrea, we read a portion of president obama s statement just a short while ago and he noted that he met with our 41st president just tuesday this week in houston. that would make him certainly one of his last visitors. what more can you tell us about that visit and its significance? it was certainly an important and very touching tribute to the ailing former president by another former president, one of the youngest, but also it was forged by the presence of obama in houston participating in a 25th anniversary event at rice university at the baker irns institute for james baker and that says something very important about one of his closest allies and longest friend and former secretary of state, treasury secretary in the reagan years and long time campaign manager, so the fact that james baker was part of that that visit as well in houston says a great deal. the loyalty of those who worked and were friends, you know, james baker and george bush were young men, tennis partners in houston together. it was together that they forged into politics. elective politics was never successful for jim baker so he was always the side man or the advisor or the wise counselor at the state department for george h.w. bush. but to have that kind of friendship and also the friendship that i think of with brent and i m thinking so much of him, the former air force general who served so ably and was the international security advisor and closest friend, coauthor who had his own residence then in retirement to be close to his friend during the summer months. so that is another close relationship. he himself has been ailing and is now one of those that i think of who s so much more mourning the loss of his good friend. and i just want to know from you, a memory that you have of president bush, andrea, that you re always going to carry with you. there s so many. there s the aerobic golf matches. we would have to catch up to him. he was such a great athlete. he surmounted it jumping out of a plane at age 90 only four years ago but how he was suffering some of the effects of that parkinson s syndrome. but if i can be personal for a home, i was at a dinner that he was hosting for the queen of england and this was 1991. and it was a very big deal for me. i was not used to believe me going to anything like this and i was going with my future