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throughout the primary. >> i think president line benefits every time the name donald trump is brought up. anytime. and republicans know this. give them all to truth serum, they all want to get past donald trump but they have no idea how because donald trump is so holdovers party. i'll give credit to kevin mccarthy for one thing he said in the breitbart interviewed. donald trump stronger among republicans than he was in 2016. he led by never led by more than 14 points in the primary. he leads by nearly 30 according to the latest nbc poll. he's 82% popularity, which is almost 20% higher than it was among republicans in 2016. that's the fundamental problem. they all know deep down they want to get past donald trump. the problem is, the republican voters don't want to get past donald trump. >> let's talk about joe biden in his campaign.
leadership but every candidate on the ballot to have to stand by donald trump and essentially defended him whenever the need arises. it's especially true for the individual gop contenders that have made a promise to support him should he become the nominee. it really becomes difficult to challenge him if you already said well in support of anybody. >> mr. dowd, does president biden benefit from these little scuffles like this within the gop? there's definitely going to be a whole lot more of this throughout the primary. >> i think president line benefits every time the name donald trump is brought up. anytime. and republicans know this. give them all to truth serum, they all want to get past donald trump but they have no idea how because donald trump is so holdovers party. i'll give credit to kevin mccarthy for one thing he said in the breitbart interviewed. donald trump stronger among republicans than he was in
joe biden. kevin mccarthy, it took him 15 votes to become speaker, by the very skin of his teeth, by one or two votes. if donald trump wants to mess with him, which he seems quite capable and interested in doing, he can really mess with his leadership. >> 15 votes and then it took kevin mccarthy 15 minutes to realize he was in hot water with trump, and he hightailed it over to breitbart news and changed his tune, basil, saying today trump is stronger than he was in 2016. given that he reversed course that quickly, what does that tell you about the grip trump has on him, that he would need to go into damage control mode that much, that fast? >> it's an extraordinary grip. it's evident what happens when you don't use your inside voice. and i imagine that that is a challenge for so many republicans, that want to find a way to free themselves from that grip of donald trump but can't really do that. i take the point that was made about challenges to mccarthy's leadership. i think that's incredibly valid. i would also add to that, what are the consequences for so many republican candidates down ballot that are going to have to continue to answer for what donald trump is or is not doing in the legal troubles that he has right now? so it's really, that grip, as you ask, is saddling not just
or two votes. if donald trump wants to mess with him, which he seems quite capable and interested in doing, he can really mess with his leadership. >> 15 votes and then it took kevin mccarthy 15 minutes to realize he was in hot water with trump, and he hightailed it over to breitbart news and changed his tune, basil, saying today trump is stronger than he was in 2016. given that he reversed course that quickly, what does that tell you about the grip trump has on him, that he would need to go into damage control mode that much, that fast? >> it's an extraordinary grip. it's evident what happens when you don't use your inside voice. and i imagine that that is a challenge for so many republicans, that want to find a way to free themselves from that grip of donald trump but can't really do that. i take the point that was made
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cnn congressional correspondent lauren fox is here with more on this. what more are you learning? this is an interesting about face. he didn't really say anything, and he said i don't know and i guess that upset donald trump. >> yeah. a day of cleanup yesterday for house speaker kevin mccarthy. he held a call, called the former president yesterday to apologize according to new reporting from our colleagues ma malani zanona and kristen holmes. he told the former president he misspoke and blamed the reporters for taking the comments out of context according to mckarthy and that isn't where it ended, sara. he had an exclusive interview with breitbart news to try to talk more about why he believed donald trump was the strongest candidate to beat joe biden. later, his campaign sent out a fund-raising e-mail saying that donald trump was stronger than ever. this just goes to show you that kevin mccarthy knows that his right flank is so important for
get exactly what you want, only pay for what you need. act now and get it for $25 when you bring your phones. it's your verizon. house speaker kevin mccarthy has been doing damage control since monday when he questioned whether donald trump was the gop's strongest candidate in 2024. team trump was reportedly so angry, mccarthy thought it necessary to call the former president to apologize according to several sources who spoke with the "new york times." mccarthy followed that call with a breitbart interview where he said trump is stronger today than he was in 2017. sources familiar said mccarthy's clean up was not enough, and to make matters worse, the speaker stepped in it defend. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent ryan nobles. what did he step in? >> reporter: well, it depends which part of this you're
with 1/4 moisturizing cream, dove is the #1 bar dermatologists use at home. house speaker kevin mccarthy is making a major about face after his surprising comments on former president trump's chances in the 2024 race on cnbc. >> do you think he could win an election? could he win an election? >> yeah, he can. the question is he the strongest to win the election. i don't know that answer, but can somebody -- can anybody beat biden, yeah, anybody can beat biden. can biden beat other people, yes, biden can beat him. >> he got major backlash from trump world. now mccarthy is telling breitbart news, trump is stronger today than he was in 2016. and "the new york times" reports mccarthy called the former president on tuesday with two people characterizing that conversation as an apology. nbc's ryan nobles is on capitol hill for me, and also with me is
speakership, you'll recall we were just talking about this after jan 6th when he went on the floor and blamed donald trump for the insurrection, within what seems like minutes, he went down to mar-a-lago and did that famous thumbs up. >> i think we have that picture. >> just in case anybody doesn't have that imprinted in their mands. >> then donald trump said, okay, but you cannot criticize donald trump if he thinks he owns you. he thinks he owns kevin mccarthy and he might. so mccarthy had to clean up on aisle 6 and call breitbart and say, okay, i changed my mind. oops. >> those two examples also to me combine with one in 2015, when mccarthy said that the beijing committee was designed specifically to take down hillary clinton and then that cost him his speakership and he back backtracked. all these of those taken together show three pretty big
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