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i'm in a space where i really get to contribute to projects that are larger than me. you know? like, work that will outlive me. it kind of helped me develop my voice in a way, as a creator. must be deeply satisfying. ha?ha! camille, you've worked on some incredible films. i'd like you to talk me through your creative process. where do you start — does it start with a script, a conversation? usually, it starts with the script, but then i really always like talking to the director. you know, he or she. and for me, it's always, like, figuring out what their aesthetic is. what they like, what they don't like. you know, and just figuring out all those sort of things. and then, also, start with the actor. like, really... i always go through and look at, like, all the looks that that actor has. for me, i'm always thinking, what haven't they had? what can i create for them that's going to be something different so...that's going to put a stamp on this movie that's not going to look the same as every other movie? and, like, even looking at a director, like, what does his body of work look
and i think they've all kind of grabbed life by the horns and led theirfamilies in a way that isjust really, really strong and beautiful and really inspiring. yeah. camille, family also played a crucial role in your career choices. you're a third—generation hairstylist. did that mean spending a lot of time in the salon as a young kid? 0h, definitely. being a third—generation hairstylist is, you know, one of the things i'm most proud of. i have a big family, lots of hair stylists. and, like, when i go into a salon and ijust smell it, it makes me happy. like, i love the smell of perms! i love the smells of relaxers. and... relaxers? oh, yeah! like, i love all the smells of the salon cos it's familiarto me. it's totally familiar. and, you know, always, we had to work in the salon. so you had to sweep hair, take rollers down. you had to earn you getting your hair done. so, at the end of the day, that's when we would, our cousins, we would shampoo each other's hair and get ready
so i always think about the jewellery, then i think about the clothes. love it. i always think that hair for me is, like, the accessory. it is! you could do a white t—shirt, but that hair, you know... exactly! it allows your wardrobe to be, like, simple. yep, iagree. i totally agree. and given that your world is hair, camille, how much time and effort do you spend on your own hair? is it a case of, like, the chef doesn't cook at home? well, i do spend a little time. like, i'm going to say, i'm a wig—wearer, but i have a lot of wigs. so i have, you know, i have a wall of wigs, and ijust go pick, and i do... ijust work on my own wigs. and i actually do spend time for my hair, just to make sure that it looks good. of course. now, zerina, you've always been interested in fashion. when did you catch the fashion bug? i caught it... you know, i have to say, i caught it very early. i'd even tie it back to the time when my family bought me that pretty easter dress, and then i never wanted to take it off! you know? and i would kind of...
from disney, and she goes, "camille, can you please, like, answer your instagram "and look at your instagram?" and i said, "forwhat?" she goes, "could you just look at it?" and i opened it and, like, there were all these messages. and i said, "oh, wow!" you don't usually get, like, that instant... like, you know, that instant gratification. it was, like, instant. yeah. well, we have samuel ljackson to thank. they laugh well, the new film, wakanda forever, starts with the funeral of t'challa. what did that scene mean to you and for the rest of the cast? because obviously, you're also mourning chadwick boseman, who sadly passed away in 2020. i think it meant a lot to everybody. and i'll tell you, when we first got to atlanta, where we shot, ryan coogler took all of us, like, the department heads, and we went to chadwick boseman, we went to his funeral site. we went...we went to go have, like, ourown... ..service, our own moment. we had the drummers there. we had... we had our own, like, service. because we all needed that, because everybody was apart
oh, yeah. so it's important to be kind. but i think, you know, there's this space in the community where we've almost assumed that we. . .that the world is against us, you know. and i think the way that we walk into a room sometimes, we can often be on a defence. and i think letting that guard down, let's say, even if it's something simple as there's now a new boss at yourjob, you know, and you're like, "this person is not going to like me". just start by introducing yourself, you know, on a just levelled playing field, you know, without it being that... it's just about... for me, it's about first, just humanity, you know. amen, sister. yep. what can be done to increase diversity in the industry, do you think? camille. i think people have to get out of their box. people have, you know, a box of, "oh, i hired these people". expand your horizons. get out of your comfort zone. there are so many people in this world who do great things.
in a very different way. yeah. camille, what do you owe your success do? some of the same, some of the very much same things. when i really started loving camille and just being my authentic self and, like, speaking up. plus, i'm going to say this, meditation is huge for me. meditation. i've been meditating for 27 years. and settling my mind and getting your mind right, especially in the morning, that's the first thing you got to do. it's... i would say that's so important. i mean, for me, i pray in the morning. and having that, even if i take a minute to have a coffee and walk around my neighbourhood and, like, just set my own day and have that... exactly. ..that first few minutes for myself, gold. exactly. very much so. obviously, not everyone makes it. it is a very cut—throat, competitive industry. from your personal experience, what do you see as some of the barriers for women, and for women of colour in particular? camille. some of the barriers are, i think a lot of it sometime isjust not... i want to say maybe sometime
like, or she's look like? what does it look like? what do their movies look like? for me, do they shoot close up or do they shoot far behind? like, how do they shoot? like, do they shoot like...? are they people who shoot very tight most of the time, or do they shoot wides? all of those things, to me, i think about when i'm designing the hair. that's a lot of preparation and research. they laugh oof! 0k. um...let�*s talk about the logistics involved, because i understand, camille, when you travel, you have, like, 50 boxes of equipment that you go with. i mean, tell me about that. oh, boy! it'sjust...it'sjust a lot of, like... i'm a person, you never know what you're going to need. you know what i'm saying. mm—hm. so i'd just rather bring everything and the kitchen sink. so, you know, i bring everything. like, i bring everything i can think of. then when you're travelling to different countries, ok, then i need this kind of, you know, this kind of curling iron for this kind of electricity, or this one, or that one. and huge converters. like, i have converters that...
creators who have worked tirelessly to bring it all together, both on screen and on the red carpet. today i'm in hollywood to meet two incredible women who are responsible for some of the most iconic looks of the past few years. serena acres is a emmy award—winning stylist and fashion designer. she did a lot of work with beyonce, and you can see her creations on the visual album black is king. in 2020, serena founded a black owned everything, a platform supporting black artists and creators, serena, welcome. thank you. creators, serena, welcome. thank you-— creators, serena, welcome. thank you. creators, serena, welcome. thank ou. �* . ., ~ , thank you. and camille frank is a renowned _ thank you. and camille frank is a renowned hairstyle _ thank you. and camille frank is a renowned hairstyle designer, | a renowned hairstyle designer, and she has been nominated for and she has been nominated for an oscarfor her work and she has been nominated for an oscar for her work on and she has been nominated for an oscarfor her work on land panther. she has worked on seven other marble titles including captain america and otherfilms like the including captain america and other films like the hateful aid, django unchained and the little mermaid. she also trains younger generations of hairstylists her academy. welcome. welcome to you both.
of full, like, mono look. that was just, like, really, really funny. very beautiful. now, camille, you've worked on some iconic films, including black panther. when the film first came out, when did you realise how big a deal black panther was? well, i'm just going to start from this. originally, i didn't want to do black panther. why not? zerina gasps no, i'm just telling the truth. l i wanted to do avengers. because in my mind, i wanted to do the biggest movie in marvel. mm—hm. and then, when i started exploring it, and i remember sam jackson said to me, i was like, "what do you think about black panther? " he goes, "camille, that's going to be the biggest movie "marvel ever had!" i said, "you think so?" he goes, "girl, you better go over there and do that movie!" so... they laugh "over there?" "yes. you better go do that movie!" and, you know, it's something that's changed my life. and i'll tell you, i didn't really understand until, i guess, when it came out and the publicist called me
teach one, you know. it is. yeah. we have to take our hand and literally... literally. ..we have to pull people up. exactly. yes. 0h! well, zerina and camille, thank you both very much. thank you. this has been amazing. it's been...it's been great. hello there. good friday was a pretty decent one across the country. plenty of sunshine around. there was still a bit of a chill in the air, but i think as we move deeper into the easter weekend, it will start to warm up as we pick up the air source from the south. it is going to stay dry, plenty of sunshine, then it is all change for the bank holiday easter monday. this area of low pressure begins to spread across the country. it is high pressure dominating the scene to start the easter weekend. lots of dry weather to begin with. on the chilly side mind you, but temperatures will rise fairly quickly.