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All In With Chris Hayes

the lawyers have been great because a lot of times of lawyers will bless something they shouldn't have. if they do that, it gives the client a potential defense. >> this gets to something that is really important. these are -- aside from the mar-a-lago case, which we talked about it again, i think you're right. there is a weird thing where the most serious things he did are the hardest cases to make. you know what i'm saying? >> i keep coming back to this. >> the most important crime donald trump tried to commit was -- >> it is very complicated. i said, from a long time ago earlier this year, what ends up being the thing that nails the coffin shut for him may not be the most exciting, most sensational thing. think about the fact that elliott ness, capone, it was taxes. it may not be the most sensational thing that brings him down, but there is reason for that because this is a guy

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Deadline White House

deductions, big credit, taking advantage of every loophole, and because of the storage of trump's internal revenue service did we don't know if how many of these were legal loopholes for the rich and how many of them were unjust in the illegal, because the irs didn't do the job of auditing. i think americans should be greatly outraged. >> as the public continues to sift through these never before seen tax returns, it's hard to forget this other message that michael cohen is shared with us. here's what he said back on the show just a few months ago about his former boss. >> let's stop the nonsense. let's go after the low lying flow hanging fruit. that the capone method. jury about, murder extortion, as they did with capone, let's get him on tax evasion. let's get this mussolini menace

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All In With Chris Hayes

aside from the mar-a-lago case which we talked about it again i think you're right there is a weird thing where the most serious things he did or the hardest cases to make you know what i'm saying >> i keep coming back to this. >> the most important crim donald trump tried to commit was -- >> it is very complicated. i said, from a long time ago earlier this year, what ends u being the thing that nails coffin shot for him may not be the most exciting, mos sensational thing. think about the fact tha elliott ness, i'll capone, i was taxes. it may not be the most sensational thing that bring him down, but there is reaso for that because this is a guy who has been involved in a lot of very shady businesses >> but he hasn't stood trial for them all i just want to say, i think he

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All In With Chris Hayes

client a potential defense >> this gets to something that is really important. these are -- aside from the mar-a-lago case which we talked about it again i think you're right there is a weird thing where the most serious things he did or the hardest cases to make you know what i'm saying >> i keep coming back to this. >> the most important crim donald trump tried to commit was -- >> it is very complicated. i said, from a long time ago earlier this year, what ends u being the thing that nails coffin shot for him may not be the most exciting, mos sensational thing. think about the fact tha elliott ness, i'll capone, i was taxes. it may not be the most sensational thing that bring him down, but there is reaso for that because this is a guy who has been involved in a lot of very shady businesses >> but he hasn't stood trial for them all i just want to say, i think he is going to be indicted in georgia. i think what we are talkin about is, when does he actuall go to prison we don't know. and mar-a-lago is the best bet i completely agree with that a man who's out here sayin he's gonna run for president i facing very seriously charges. what he is known for is being mob boss that says, wink, wink not, not he was not winking and nodding

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All In With Chris Hayes

took away from your podcasts to episodes that i've listened to and our discussion, everyone craves the mccarthy moment, and even untouchables, like they finally get capone. you want just from a pure narrative, drama target sense, bad guys slain and it's like in the cases you're talking about in the podcasts, they kind of swing and miss actually. but it matters that they did it and hear there's not gonna be some moment and hearings >> when everyone agrees. even if you give the january six committee of super powers of persuasion and they're not just moving independents by 30 point margins to say i realized this was more serious. but say you can get the move 70% margins. say you can get them to move almost the whole country. doesn't mean there's gonna be millions of americans who were still held in sway by these

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All In With Chris Hayes

by fighting fascism with democratic civic engagement and treating fellow americans like humans and meeting in ways as citizens that aren't designed to just make his fight each other more effectively but a rather designed to persuade each other that we are in this together. >> one of the things that i took away from your podcasts to episodes that i've listened to and our discussion, everyone craves the mccarthy moment, and even untouchables, like they finally get capone. you want just from a pure narrative, drama target sense, bad guys slain and it's like in the cases you're talking about in the podcasts, they kind of swing and miss actually. but it matters that they did it and hear there's not gonna be some moment and hearings >> when everyone agrees. even if you give the january six committee of super powers of persuasion and they're not

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Tucker Carlson Tonight

it is not his i know this guy pi has lived at public expense for it bentire adult life, but he doesn't own that.th it belongs to the public and he can't just sell it to china. so it's just too it's just too crazy to continue. >> well, i appreciate that, congressman. as partners. well t, that's business partners for sure. >> yes. margaretvillree green of georgia joining us tonight. >> thank you. k thank you.you. so a few days ago, a pro-life call, chris copeland robbed copn a convenience store in tupelo, mississippi. ed a cthe clerk was a man calles versinisg. now, he cooperated with capone. he was clearly afraid. but within seconds, copeland inr for reasons that are not at all clear . thn interpret them ordered sing to his knees and then executed him. this is a horrible video, buthi. it's what we've come to in this country, and it's not the only video like it. so we're going to show it now. businesses.

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The ReidOut

got some taste and some staffers got a job, they fund the ellipse rally. how is any of that legal? >> well, it's not. and the simple answer is it's important to understand that there are a variety of different audiences that the committee is talking to in terms of these hearings, and obviously no audience is less important than the department of justice. what they are doing here, and i'm speaking as a former prosecutor, is they are trying to give this -- the results of the hearings as much low hanging fruit to the doj as possible. they want to take away any potential defenses that might scare the doj off from a prosecution against trump. sometimes even though the headline is insurrection and even though the headline is the capitol riot, sometimes it's the low-hang fruit that you end up prosecuting someone on. capone was convicted of tax evasion. in this case it may be the low-hanging fruit of actual felonious fraud that we're seeing here on earth with

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