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because it's time we start comparing apples to apples. >> well, as you mentioned, joe biden has been running into cross currents that are partly about his extensive experience, which often can be a negative in presidential politics, also about two sets of issues you alluded to, women's issues as well as civil rights. take a listen to him talking about an issue you've worked on, how the federal government is limited in health care that relates to abortion services, specifically the quote-unquote hyde amendment, take a look. >> although the hyde amendment was designed to try to split the difference here to make sure women still had access, you can't have access if, in fact, everyone's covered by a federal policy. and so that's why at the same time i announce that policy, i announce that i can no longer continue to abide by the hyde amendment. >> i'd like to ask you both, cecile then mike, a, briefly, the policy claim there. b, the politics, which is you don't have to be a political
the most charitable accounts he had an unforced error, by less charitable accounts, he really demeaned or did a disservice to the importance of civil rights progress that the country and the party has made? >> i thought that yesterday, as i did the interviews at the south carolina democratic convention, i thought that kamala harris had a great day. she talked with joy reid. she had a good speech. as did many of the rest. i thought cory booker had a good week, as mike said in the segment before me. he was very passionate in our interview. but i really think that we've got to watch tim ryan. i think he's going to try to come down a centrist lane that is going to be open on that first night's debate. i agree bill de blasio should not be underestimated because he's run and debated several times. he has everything to gain trying to be the runner-up of the
across the proverbial aisle that separates you. an interesting civil sunday night conversation. cecile and mike, thanks to both of you. >> thanks, ari. >> thanks for having me. we have a lot going on. coming up, this is our very special second hour guest who helped ten different candidates prepare for presidential debates. he's a big shot and he's on the hour tonight. first live, reverend al sharpton, his interviews with 2020 candidates and some of the big controversies. later, the one and only author malcolm glad well talking about how what to do when you have too many choices, even in politics? how the brain reacts to choice overload as our hour continues. you're watching "the road to miami." nice. but, uh... what's up with your... partner? not again. limu that's your reflection. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty ♪
critically important. >> i define it as being -- mike, hold on, i've got to get something important here. i define it as the state of being awake or not asleep. >> if you define it as being awake and not asleep, that's where women are. women, again, we've had more people march, resist, protest this president -- >> you see what she did there, mike? i feel i'm talking to two skilled, politically rhetorical strategists. they're telling me out of time but i did interrupt, mike, if you want to add anything. >> no, the numbers in the general election say it's about more than any one voter group. it's about taking votes away from trump, not reinforcing the messages you have. if it was about that, hillary clinton would have won in those states. >> she did get more votes. >> but the question being, where? >> not where it counted. >> not where it counted. i don't think that's in dispute anymore. look, this is interesting, i appreciate you both speaking