correctly that it s the next big thing and they re making a very similar bet right now in the world of robotics. so as that begins to take off, they re gonna continue to be ahead of everybody. phidias value just tripled from 1 trillion to 3 trillion in under a year but video doesn t actually manufacture anything. they outsource that. they design still. this is now the second largest corporation on our planet with all our futures in its manicured hands toward holding this is the most complex, highest performance computer the world s ever made. that s why you have to care now, in the next few years, the competition is going to heat up in this marketplace for making the chips that train ai. but some analysts say that right now nvidia has maybe up to 95% share of that market. they ve got a huge head start on their main competitors in intel and amd. amd just launched a new chip in video says are going to launch new chip every year, that 3 trillion valuation and peaceful world column just said maybe that s an undervaluation. credible. all right. thank you very much. nick watt and thanks to all of you as always, ac30, 60 starts now tonight on 360 real warriors and people don t. trump is now calling warriors, namely the violent mob that storm the capitol, keeping them on it let s take the difference also tonight, hundred biden s fate now in the hands of a jury, how the defense and prosecution did and making their case. plus the latest in a string of cnn exclusives on deck kids of sexual abuse, the coast guard academy. tonight of coast guard official breaks are silenced and says she was part of what she now calls a cruel coverup. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep romanness with something the former president has been saying a lot lately. and what it says about him. sunday as president biden was visiting the american military cemetery outside paris and frehse, marking the 80th anniversary of d-day and at normandy, donald trump was saying this there s never been people treated more horrifically. then j6 hostages. but those j6 warriors, they were worries but they were really more than anything else. they are victims of what happened all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that s what they were doing and then the police he said, going go in, go in, go in water, set-up. that was that s the former president of the united states sunday in las vegas. and just to refresh your memory, these are the people he was honoring, specifically the ones in prison for crimes they committed on january 6 or jail awaiting trial. and it s certainly not the first time he s called these people hostage. ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the horribly at unfairly treated very six toss ditches it s now part of his routine that recording. he standing and saluting four features him saying the pledge but of allegiance while these inmates, whom he calls hostages sing the star spangled banner and calling them hostages in november after actual hostages were taken by hamas reading a daring military operation in gaza after almost eight months of mental and physical torment at the hands of hamas. and we ll have more on that tonight. but those are actual hostages. trump would have you believe the january 6 inmates are hostages and also warriors and victims? he said that two victims he also claims were invited in by police. so they re warriors and their hostages and their victims. and they re also according to him, lovers the love the love in the year i ve never seen anything like it. there was also a loved fast between the police, the capitol police, and the people that walked down to the capital so stir that in with all the rest. and here s the former president is reshaping the attack on the capitol. peaceful protesters full of love invited into the capitol by police who loved them and return, but who somehow tricked them and made them victims, who then turned into warriors who are now being held hostage. let me introduce you to one of these man who s presumably a warrior and trump s size daniel rodriguez, this is his photo was posted on social media by username deepstate dogs. rodriguez was part of the mob that attack police with metal poles and bateson stolen riot shields and chemical spray. and in his case has stun gun. he attacked officer michael fan-owned with it, who later suffered a heart attack and traumatic brain injury rodriguez pleaded guilty like so many others have and was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison. his is one he s one of the people, the former president is calling a hostage. and it shouldn t come as a surprise that trump is unfamiliar with what a warrior actually is. casey is watching, here s one from d-day technician fifth grade john jay pinto junior. he waited through machine gun and artillery fire carrying a vitally important radio assured omaha beach, which he did despite being wounded once then again, making several trips back through enemy fire to get more equipment ashore until he was wounded a third time and died technician pender was awarded the congressional medal of honor posthumously. president trump refused to visit the same cemetery that president biden. so many other presidents have over the years. and according to his former chief of staff, from being corps general john kelly, quote in the atlantic, he said, why should i go to that cemetery? it s filled with losers had he gone, he might have learned what being a awarded are truly means separately the former president now a convicted felon, met by video conference today for a pre-sentencing interview with the new york probation officer, joining us tonight, former republican congressman and house january 6, committee member adam kinzinger, also seen an chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, congressman. first of all, what is your as somebody who is actually serve? what is your reaction to the foreign president calling the riders warriors and hostages and victims? i mean, it s. it s thick and disgusting obviously i think we have to be careful to not allow this outrage to just numb us like this really should be. and thank you for putting this at the top of the show. there should be at the top of every new show anywhere in the country at how agreed jus and terrible, this as they re not for years. the ones that went into the capital, most of them, if not all of them, have been arrested and tried. and interestingly, anderson at the beginning when they started to get arrested, they were remorseful. and then this right-wing ecosphere put their arms around them singing the national anthem and stuff and in that process can vince them that they were victims and have made them martyrs and heroes. this is not something americans that aren t completely sold out to the cult should be, should accept and we should have this be a fresh outrage every day when he does stuff like this, it s also entering andrew. i mean, i know some actual warriors. they re not people who usually view themselves as victims or just sort of helpless victims. very often, how dangerous do you think it is for law enforcement and andrew and the public when you are the former president gaslighting his supporters because i mean back in 2022, there was a guy of set about federal authorities searching mar-a-lago for classified documents. he was killed after trying to shoot his way into an fbi field office in ohio. it feels like du the congressman s point the former president just says this stuff and people just kind of ignore it. but i mean it has repercussions potentially yeah. so let s get the facts out first on this warriors claim. so as of january 6, 2024, which is most recent numbers, i could find, we ve got 1,265 people have been charged in as a part of that january 6 case 718 of them on that by that de had already gone into court. raise your right hand, sworn to tell the truth, then said i did it. i m guilty to the weather. it s trespassing or obstruction of official procedure or assault on police officers and others. so the idea that these people are somehow being held against their will for political reasons is absolutely absurd. and donald trump knows that s absurd. he knows it because he spent four hours that day watching the video tapes from behind the cloister walls of the white house in the warm embrace of his secret service security team. so he knows exactly what happened that day. he knows those people were rioters and its direction us and many of them have to their credit stepped up and taken responsibility for that. the thing that i cannot get past anderson is how many people give him a pass for saying absurd and sickening only false things like this. and you re right, these false hoods that he, that he throws out in front of his rallies and supportive it is for political advantage, but it comes with the cost of driving up risk to people in the system, law enforcement prosecutors, and others. and you made the perfect example. ricky schifflin, who was outraged by what he undoubtedly heard the president say after the mar-a-lago raid decided to take it out violently on the fbi s cincinnati field office, that could happen any day anywhere around the country to any fbi agent or other federal officer by somebody similarly misguided. also, i m congressman. it s just i mean, it s kinda it s just i mean, it s sickening that the former president basically saw this so the october 7 hostages being held by hamas and islamic jihad and others as a branding opportunity and i think according the washington post in november s when he started using the term hostages for the for those who have been found guilty of crimes on on january sales x and re-brand braise, branding them january 6, hostages. i mean, it s it s really worked it is really warped in that was various student view to notice is that he never used hostages until there were real hostages. some of which are still being held, some have been killed that are being held against their will. i mean, look, i m probably started with marjorie taylor greene two she she came up with some of that, but i think the biggest thing to take off of what mccabe said is we re all the members of the house and senate, including the ones who after january 6 stood up, lindsey graham, i m done with this guy. we had a hell of a run, but i m done you think of like marco rubio, all these people that know better, that just keep their heads down and don t say a word. this is threatening the very fabric of domain microscopy because all we have to have for democracy to survive is a basic compact that your vote, you can vote, your vote will count and the person that wins wins. that s what donald trump was tearing apart that basic contact contract. that is the only requirement for democracy to survive. and he is turn these people that violated the rule of law into martyrs. and by the way, if we don t have rule and law in this country, democracy can t survive either and he is just an absolute il, fit mentally flawed is probably the nicest way i can say it. former president and candidate for future president in america has to reject him. john, i know you have new reporting on the former president s meeting today or interview with probation officials, which is a normal part of this procedure. what happened? so today donald trump with his lawyer, todd blanche, over a microsoft teams connection, had this virtual meeting to prepare to assist probation department in new york city with preparing the pre-sentencing report that goes to the judge it was an unusual meeting in that present there was the commissioner of the new york city department of probation wanted to homes her general counsel, bridget hamline, and the probation officer who would normally be there by himself or with another officer who would do the interview. the interview was led by commissioner homes and to the official who was briefed on the interview afterwards told me that at all times donald trump answered the questions which were things about what are your living situation, any health issues family history, where do you spend more time? new york or florida? a lot of things that donald trump, but thank every everybody already knows. but commissioner home said these are the normal questions. we re going to put you through these questions they said he was polite, he was respectful, and that at the end of the meeting, he wished them well and ended the call with be safe and we just got speaking in new york city mayor giuliani, former mayor giuliani s mug shot from arizona authorities. he s been he was hard to get a subpoena. subpoena to. he found they finally did. this is his his his mug shot that s not the mug shot. will try to get it he s pleaded not guilty there to charges of trying to overturn the 2020 election results what what happened to him well, this has been an amazing rise and fall from a kind of prosecutor built on the image of thomas dewey going after the mom i ve been crooked politicians to a mouthpiece for donald trump as president. and then the lead counsel by the way, this is the mug shot that was another mug shot of his, which clearly he s gotten a lesson from that prior mug shot because this one is smiling at least that s right there prior mug shot was from the georgia cases. so now he s on his second mug shot, but he has he has he has hitched himself to the donald trump wagon, but he s also been through multiple breakups and divorces. he s lost millions and millions of dollars. he s in bankruptcy see his apartment is up for sale and it was amazing to see someone who was the face and the voice of law and order in new york city for so long and then the mayor for two terms, a law and order meir, be someone who s going on his second mug shot and who has been disbarred and barred from the practice of law in multiple places. endrew in a series of interviews over the past week, the foreign president has talked about, been asked about this whole retribution seeking. he talked about running. i am your retribution. he had said months ago. i just want to play some of what he said well, revenge does take time. i will say that does. and sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest, you know, sometimes it can look when this election is over based on what they ve done. i would have every right to go after them and it s easy because it s joe biden, but very terrible thing. it s a terrible precedent for our country does that mean the next president does it to them? that s really the question so in terms of if he is president using the levers of the justice department, the fbi, to go after political opponents in a second term. how would that how would he go about that? i mean, how how feasible is that? well, i think it s entirely feasible. i mean, it s it s interesting to me that across those interviews, interviews with people who are like dr. phil and others who are trying to get him to walk away from those claims. he soft pedals it a little bit, but then you get down farther in front of the rally crowds and really hits at home it s it is absolutely clear, said it many times in front of many different people. he intends to take the levers of power if he is reelected and use them for his own personal retribution goals, which in and of itself is so unbelievably offensive should be to any american than any american president would purport to do such a thing. can he do it? sure, he can do it if he follows through with the plan that he s already laid out, this 2025 plan that they ve talked about. you ll replace those folks insignificant positions. the department of justice and the fbi and other lawn federal law enforcement entities with flunky who will do whatever he says. the first steps in this process of trumping up charges against people baselessly and throwing them in jail could actually happen. i think it gets tougher when those cases start to make their way through the courts 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and pastor taking up three rows in court today have known the parameter you don t abandon your friends and family tough time in closing arguments, prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that no one is above the law. the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period, adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn t know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor, leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned her father s car to him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any the evidence of drugs, but why is reminded the jury hunter s former girlfriend, hallie biden, his brother, beau biden s widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it s time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician s trick, trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand pay no attention to the other one. he accused prosecutors of cherry picking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter s drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form lowell attack, two of hunter s former girlfriends who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018, he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter s car? and noted hunter was the one who told highly to file a police report for the missing gun after she threw it out hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case, a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will be back here at court tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. to continue their deliberations. it s impossible to say how long it will take them to reach a decision on these three counts? but i was important earlier today, and then we re also attentive as the judge explain the instructions page by page, line-by-line. these are of course, the rules that they need he to follow as they undertake this historic decision. anderson all right. thanks so much more now and how prison biden s handling the weight for the verdict and the biden family presence throughout the trial, including the first lady who went back and forth during the french visit to be in court with her stepson. cnn s mj leaves the white house for us tonight. what are things like in the white house as they await the jury? well, you know, the trial of the president s son has been an extraordinarily sensitive issue for this white house the president, and it is not a coincidence that the president himself has barely commented on the ongoing trial. we heard him, of course, make a statement at the beginning king of the trial thing that he loves his son and that he is proud of him for showing resilience as he has fought addiction issues. and then the other rare exception, of course, was recent abc interview where the president was asked whether he would pardon his son whether he would rule that out actually, and his answer, a one word answer was simply yes. he would rule that out. the president anderson has been really clear that he is going to accept the outcome of the trial no matter what happens. and that he s just not going to comment on his son s case as the jury is deliberating that, of course, is in line with the president s sort of broader view that you just don t comment on a trial file or a legal proceeding when it is still making its way through the legal system and i should just note that that is an important area where the president had sought to draw a contrast between himself and the former president, whom he has accused of trying to put his thumb on the legal system on an influence in a political way other areas and other issues at the former president has dealt with this. of course, the president has made clear he sees as being wholly inappropriate mj lee. thanks. much at the white house tonight, joining us now cnn legal analyst norm eisen and jennifer rodgers, also former federal judge. sure. shen lin norm what do you make of closing arguments? do you think he s gonna get convicted? i thought both sides did an able job in closing arguments. the prosecution hammering the evidence that hunter biden was using or addicted to drugs before and after this key october 12 two 23rd period. they don t have actual evidence throughout the day, but they have yes. and the judge in directed that you don t have to prove the de you have to show that hunter biden was actually engaged in using or was an addict around that time and they have him checking into rehab before and after the various witnesses. but anderson abbe lowell is a very capable defense lawyer and he leaned into that critical gap. and the state of mind question this has to be knowing. that means it hunter biden had to say on purpose, not by mistake i m not an addict. i m not a user. and lowell argues well, he thought he was not an addict at that time, and there s no proof he was using prosecution ahead on points not impossible. you get a defense verdict or a hung jury what, do you think? yeah, i agree. i mean, i think they ll probably get a conviction here. there s a very narrow path for the defense to win this. they really do have to lean into this knowingly and they can t prove it on these days, but prosecutors always say follow your common sense, right? like the guy has been in rehab, people around that time, there s these text messages it s about dealing and the hallie biden testimony about paraphernalia in the car. and so use your common sense, was that argument does that make sense to you that well, i didn t think i was an addict on that day and therefore, i signed this document, say i m not an addict. i think it s the only argument that the defense has a question is, can the jury accepted and i think contrary my fellows here, i friends here. maybe maybe some jury juror or more jurors who are sympathetic to what he s gone through and may have experienced something like that sometime in their life i m going to cut him a little slack and say well, on that day, maybe you didn t use so that takes care of the use. and as far as being an attic well, maybe that day he thought he d come out of it and was no longer an attic because he was doing better even if felt if he fell off two days later so they might have a basis to draw that distinction if they want to, in your experience on the bench, i mean, is it tough for juries to see past this is the son of the president or someone to be famous very tough, very tough. and the family is a cut one way or the other. i mean, just think, well, i think it could cut in his favor the families there. it s a high-profile family. somebody might indeed think that he s going through this because of that. and again, as we all know, it only takes one to cause a hung jury. so i m not as confident as my colleagues that there s gonna be a conviction here, but i wouldn t put my money on a non conviction either. you know, the prosecution is aware of this risk because the first thing the prosecutor said in closing was all those people sitting behind the defendant are not evidenced that s pretty unusual in my experience. that i actually has a little aggressive veto i mean, here are these people there to support him. lots of people on the jurors, the jury have had addiction in their families. and here s his loving family there to support them and they re going to point out of and be like don t pay attention to those people. i thought it was a little overly aggressive action, if anything, it could hide why it could have been it can boomerang because they re going to look over it when he said that, look right over at those three rows think about parents and sisters and children and all the rest of it. they could just override this if they want to know and there s also some breaking news in trump s classified documents. kids, judge aileen cannon denied the defense s effort to dismiss the indictment, but she also struck a paragraph from jack smith s indictment anderson this was a motion that the defendants had brought attacking this indictment every which way from sunday. they lost almost everything. and the question we should ask is, why did judge cannon for these relatively easy unexceptional challenges takes so long dragging it out. she didn t give one gimme to the defense it s one paragraph, paragraph 36. it has to do with what happened at bedminster that conversation about of the iran documents it s there as to give notice that the prosecution is going to introduce prior bad acts, but striking it was virtually or enough, judge and judge. judge, what what s going on? in my mind, i was pleased that she got this done so fast from may 22 to june content for her is practically speedy, so i was impressed that she didn t sit on this. obvious motion for very long. i have to tell you that motion is made in every case and it s never granted duplicitous snus multiplicities never works but they make it to preserve the record. nobody expects to win those motions. you do it to preserve so it didn t take her all that long to get this one done. i mean, given the history of other things, she has been delaying on our us surprised by the length. this thing is dragging out of in general in all the motions. but this motion was relatively fast. that s a good sign. maybe she s hearing us talking about her and she s getting her work done. who knows, but this i thought was relatively fast. and as far as that foro for be the similar act it is very clear that she that she is saying, but at trial, there may be a basis to offer this evidence, justice, and belong in the indictment. get it doesn t relate directly to the charge. jennifer, does this impact the the chance of this thing moving forward faster? i mean, the problem is we have so many outstanding motions that are complicated, time-consuming problematic seep emotions, the classified information, protection actin, and so on. it s just we re not moving forward in a way that it s good for going to trial. there s just so much should have saved those pages and all those words to resolve the other leg motions that she has on her show, she s trying to get one offer per desk. that s good. gentlemen. thank you. jennifer rodgers, norm eisen, thanks so much. i ve next new video that dramatic rescue 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forces, but they unleashed heavy gunfire searching for israeli hostages held by hamas a daring data i m rate that freed four of those kidnapped by hamas on october 7 and held captive ever since. it wasn t operation that took weeks to plan after receiving intelligence that the hostages were being held in apartment buildings inside the nuseirat camp in central gaza. on the way out from gaza. all four this is rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks and is rarely air force pilot involved in the mission told the jerusalem post, that is one of the hostages, noa argamani got into his helicopter, has units, quote, mantle of composure melted away the magnitude of the muscle helminths struck. then he quote immediately reported that the diamond is with us and in good health, some of the special forces were disguised as displaced palestinians and members of hamas military wing, eye eyewitnesses told cnn there were also reports of large gunfire after the hostages were rescued, at least 274 palestinians were killed in the operation, and hundreds injured. that s according to the gazan authorities who do not distinguish between civilian and military casualties the israel defense forces dispute that number, saying the death toll was under 100. i want to say thank you. thank god in israel, the families of the hostages express their overwhelming joy and having their loved ones returned safely after eight months in captivity. i haven t stopped smiling since my mug was returning to me now is work continues for a ceasefire and hostage deal with 120 hostages still held by hamas there are some theories at this rate, could be a setback it s a legitimate question. i it s hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we know exactly what it is that they re going to do. as secretary of state, antony blinken travels to the middle east to continue ratcheting up pressure on hamas to take the deal. he also isn t sure what hamas will do. i can put myself, none of us can put ourselves so the minds of hamas or its leaders. so we don t know what the answer will be. but wall in egypt, blinken also said that his egyptian counterpart had been in touch with hamas quite recently. i can t go into the details of our conversations today except to say that are different counterparts were in communication with hamas as early as recently as a few hours ago. now, during his meeting with prime minister benjamin netanyahu today secretary of state antony blinken reiterated that the united states and other world leaders standby that comprehensive proposal that president biden laid out ten days ago, and they say that israel has put on on the table for hamas to accept. but so long as this period of uncertainty is extended, as us and other countries are waiting for hamas to respond to that proposal, the united states is concerned about the possibility of netanyahu changing his mind and deciding to reject that proposal, even 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debates, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max ahead of what could be an intense congressional hearing tomorrow involving testimony from the command into the us coast guard academy official there has resigned and spoken exclusively with cnn about what she says was her unwitting role in a decade hades long cover-up of sexual assault allegations at the academy. one, so per say, persuade excuse me, pervasive. it prompted a detailed report that was eventually kept confidential, even from congress. tells cnn reported it s disturbing findings last year. this former official tells cnn she believes top officials used her to convince victims not not to tell their stories to members of congress. it says she has proof sunless are potty has the exclusive interview they put me in a terrible position. how dare they do this to me. but he had me standing up in front of cadets for 11 years talking about honor, respect, devotion to duty where is there where s the respect to any of us? i m disgusted. shannon norenberg spent more than a decade as the sexual assault response coordinator at the coast guard academy, it felt like an honor to be there and help them with this thing that is so hard and awful difficult and awkward and the coast guard did tell me they were taking it seriously. i felt like they meant it until she says she recently discovered leaders had used her to lie to victims, making her an unwitting accomplice to a massive cover up up decades of sexual assaults at the coast guard academy. i have no idea that what i was telling those victims was not true. it started several years ago when norenberg was asked to take part in informing victims about a sensitive investigation code named operation fouled anchor. coast guard leaders had discovered that dozens of cases of rape and abuse from the 1980s to the mid 2000s have been ignored and covered up the attackers usually left unpunished. i got a phone call from someone at headquarters saying, hey, we want you to help out. they told me at that time that all of those investigations had already been done and that at this point, we were going to call everybody up and offer them an in-person meeting so that we could say we regretful all the things that actually sounded amazing. i took these to every single meeting. the coast guard gave norenberg talking points to go over with the former cadet s who had been sexually assaulted. an apology tour where they were assured their cases were supposedly being handled properly after all these years, members of congress and staff and dhs have been briefed on the general outline of the investigation, what was found, and what disposition decisions were made. we assured them the hey we re handling this. we ve got this. we re taking this seriously. thanks for coming forward but it turns out actually the coast guard hadn t told congress, norenberg didn t know it, but the investigation was quietly closed. so the decades of assault were kept hidden from congress and the public until a cnn investigation revealed at all last summer, victims were never given any recourse. i trusted the coast guard implicitly and i assume that the talking point document they handed me was true i would never have considered that might be ally. the cnn reports about operation fouled anchor have led to multiple federal investigations congressional hearings in an apology from the head of the coast guard, we fail to provide the safe environment that every member of the coast guard deserves. norenberg says, after seeing cnn s report, she feared she had been used in the cover-up. she found the talking points in her files recently, which confirmed it and started to read it. and i was like, that s not actually that s not what happened. they lied to me they lied to us. they had me lie. oh, my god. they had me lie to them. and actually that s when i lost it because at first i was like, wow, that s crazy. the light and then i was like, wait they used me to. lie wow they planned it as far back as 2018, not to tell anyone about this. protect the precious institution. they be trade, the victims of fouled anchor over and over and over. this is my boot camp photo norenberg says she was raped by a supervisor when she was an army recruit in 1988 and says she knows how it feels to be told there s nothing that can be done she is resigning and going public about what happened. the public needs to know this is happening. people sign up to serve their country, and this is how they re treated like trash. it s not okay. in response to a cnn request for comment, the coast guard says the talking points were created months before the meetings with the cadets. and we re not updated and then another former a coast guard official who was present at the meeting said, no victim was informed that congressional notifications occurred. i want to tell the victims of fouled anchor how sorry, i am to be a part of this terrible scheme. but let me try to make it right now. and i m so sorry. i m so sorry sometimes diprotic joins us now, what can you tell us about this hearing tomorrow? yeah. anderson, the head of the coast guard admiral live. linda fagan, should we testifying before the senate intelligence committee tomorrow? so be talking about the change hinges that she promised to make in the wake of cnn s previous reporting. and she has repeatedly said that she wants to learn from the past. she wants to move forward, but shannon norenberg s account here certainly adds the whole string of controversies showing that this sexual misconduct remains pervasive across the coast garden and definitely under gore s, that this is far bigger issue than she has publicly acknowledged. and we certainly expect that she will get some questions about norenberg s accounting of all this tomorrow as well. for friday. thank you so much. next to independent presidential candidate, robert f. kennedy jr. are the latest on his effort to get on more state ballots. also, a fresh lucky 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party candidate gives me some concern and it s to be taken seriously. we re now from cnn s even weekend, who spoke with kennedy s supporters on a 17 acre tree farm in sackville wisconsin, dells stan braunton rides around the land with hope with the 2024 election will bring monumental change shape in 2020 i voted for trump, but now he says the former president s sounds like a broken record. it s all about the election was rigged and the court system is rigged. this year. the wedding venue owner who plans to eventually transform his property into a wellness retreat is all in for independent presidential candidate robert f. kennedy jr. bobby this is the first candidate who i actually felt good about. i think a lot of people are very frustrated with voting for the lesser of two evils. is that how you view the major party candidates? yeah, absolutely. a self-described conservative, independent stan braunton shares kennedy s vaccine skepticism and learned of him through kennedy s work with the anti-vaccine group, children s health defense the 62-year-old typically votes for republicans, but he s attracted to kennedys anti-establishment message, ending the form was the financial corrupt sure within government agencies and the fact that we can t trust our government agencies to do their jobs because they ve been hijacked by corporate interests. you don t think are government agencies can be trusted know why? because they re bought and paid for. i found a video rfk jr. on youtube. recent college grad katie zimmerman voted for president joe biden in 2020. but now she spends her saturday mornings tabling at farmers markets like this one in wahba, tulsa for the kennedy campaign he s coming to all voters and saying that if you vote for me, like you ll be able to afford to buy a house. first is i haven t necessarily heard biden say things like that, that appeal to me. if ultimately trump gets reelected how would you feel about that? i would feel really great about that if he was elected into office. but i i wouldn t necessarily feel any guilt because i was able to have a choice and who i wanted to vote for dog denticola is a long time democrat who never thought he would find himself lobbying trump s supporters. just switched to kennedy. what do you think this guy s go to 24. go watch reasoning you haven t even given him a chance because he doesn t ever which answer anyway, is it hard to convince trump s supporters to vote for kennedy? yeah, i actually just appreciate that he was willing to stop and talk to me, fed up with political polarization, denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn t worried about him taking votes from biden or trump a person like bobby kennedy, who is really a message of unity, a message for all people i think that s why he s going to actually pull a lot of voters from both sides back on deal s farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. if we don t make some changes, if find somebody who has creative solutions and had somebody we can trust, who wants to bring us together? we re gonna be in a world of hurt if it does rfk junior seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in
weeks. the israelis want a campaign. with lebanon even with yemen, we have seen the increased tensions. deploying troops and naval forces. none of that will stop until there is a cease-fire in gaza. s almost there is a line drawn, diplomacy on any of these friends continue. the biden administration s credit has been cleared. they don t want to see a war but it is not up to them as we have seen with the israelis on the hostage cease-fire deal as well. so i think the risk is extremely high. and lebanon is the war of another magnitude. thank you so much. . there is a lot going on tonight. the former president of the united states and presumptive republican nominee had a meeting with the probation officer today, which i guess is the sort of thing we just have to get use to seeing these days. we will talk about what may have come up during the meeting and how it could impact his sentencing coming up in a month. pennsylvania governor josh schapiro was going to join me to talk about one of the biggest political questions of the moment. how should joe biden and democrats be talking about trump s conviction and how much? we will start with the supreme court. in a mountain of ethics scandals that just got bigger, and just get bigger because of a woman named lauren winsor. in case you don t know who she is, she is a progressive activist known to approach her public and figures and pretend she is an ally, statements and then record her targets making candid comments. comments recorded by lauren winsor at the supreme court historical society s annual dinner earlier this month, the supreme court justice samuel alito offered his assessment of the political and ideological struggle in america. i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it is a matter of, like, winning. i think your probably right. on one side of the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but it s difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. so it s not like you can split the difference. one side or the other is going to win. now heard in a vacuum by someone, those comments may not seem particularly striking. but remember samuel alito is one of nine justices on the supreme court. the highest court in our country. it is supposed to conduct itself with utmost fairness and impartiality in interpreting our constitution and adjudicating the laws. and one of the justices, samuel alito, you just heard him, as telling a stranger at a crowded event, that he believes that one political side is going to win. that there is no place for compromised. and for anyone who has followed samuel alito s time on the court, there is no secret to what side the justice firm and thinks he is on. look at the past few weeks. he has refused to recuse himself from a generous six case in the trump immunity case sitting before the court currently. even after reports that his homes displayed flights with right wing political symbolism including an upside down american flag in the days after january 6th. samuel alito, who built a reputation over the course of years, has been tough on crime and generally unser but that it to criminal defendants and also has a newfound empathy for generally six defendants of all people and donald trump. during or go arguments in two cases. take for example, the case of a january 6th defendant. sim allele used costumes the justice department to question people in the capital attack. he suggested that if the court does not intervene, prosecutors could seek to use it against people involved in these will demonstrations like those that take place in a courtroom from time to time. but the protest is clearly not at all same as people are smashing windows and doors to invade the capital and causing members of congress and the republican vice president of the united states to flee for their lives. in the face of multiple ethics scandals, we have been talking about involving undisclosed gifts from her publican mega- donors to members of the supreme court, samuel alito has been unapologetic telling the wall street journal late last year that the quote no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court period. look, fairness and impartiality in both appearance and action are the principles judges are supposed to follow. especially in the highest court of the land. and at least at some point, samuel alito knew that. take a listen to an answer from his confirmation hearing back in 2006. to believe there is any room for a judge s own value or personal beliefs when he or she interprets the constitution? judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution. and for that matter, into the interpretation of statutes. that is not the job we are given. that is not the authority we are given. that is not the authority we are given. it is not the job we are given. alito knows or at least knew then what his job entailed. and despite all the actions and statements, he also apparently can t stand those who claim he is not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. but saying or implying that the court is becoming an illegitimate institution or questioning our integrity cross is an important line. see, justice alito wants to be revered as an impartial judge. just call balls and strikes as they are supposed to. but as this new tape and his time on the bench have shown, especially over the last several weeks and months, he is actually more of a player, actively engaged in one side s struggle to win. so is giving us every reason to expect this from him, given all the actions. it also doesn t mean it is something we should or need to accept. this is the former president of the naacp legal defense fund and joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking. but as i listen to these tapes today, i wanted to know, what is share anable thinking. we talk to a becoming two things. how big of a deal is this? i think it s a big deal. i think it s a big deal in the cumulative sense and as you point out in your opening, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air that is surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen all these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision. we heard him in very similar ways. what is it that is disturbing about this particular excerpt of the conversation? i think there are two things. one, i think is the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who he did know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it is when she said that we have to work to move this country back toward godliness. and he said, i agree with you. to me, that is just a very shocking statement. i don t think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest that he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and that we need to return to some period in which things were more moral pick and he was agreeing with her. i don t know what period they were referring to. were they referring to a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk about keeping black people out of schools? what was the time period? i think the reason this is important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard. and justice alito refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. said it is because a reasonable person, knowing all the facts of that is what he said about the flight controversy. but when we probe, we realize we don t know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily that accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave us a timeline that is not up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice was not impartial and that is the standard for recusal. but we will never get there unless parties actually file motions to recuse and that is i am hoping that this will show the united states, which is the party and the trump privilege case and others, that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal practice and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices we are not going to get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they won t do it. we need to get really serious. and of course we need hearing from the senate judiciary committee so we can get to the bottom of this. it is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming. and it is not a legitimate question the legitimacy of the court we have had this barrage of across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. one of the things that was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. what he blames it on. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today. he said this in 2023. and then talk to you about it on the other side. it is easy to blame the media. but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. it is pretty rich, given his actions in his own words. it is not the first time he blame somebody else. his wife. everyone attacking him. what is that about? you were talking about accountability. people watching, what should they be doing if they are just outraged about this as well? i find this just really mortifying. and embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas as well when he talks about the nastiness in washington d.c. and we hear it with alito. it is the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no, it is the supreme court that eroded trust in the supreme court. in this kind of teenage refusal to take responsibility for their own actions is really incredibly alarming and disturbing and i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running in institution and something extraordinary happens and like what happened in the dobbs case, which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, and a decision was leaked out to the public, i wouldn t just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what i created or what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect. to look at themselves. why do you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? we know they are appropriate because he is making them now that he has been found out. this has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. in fact, the media has often been quite kind to the supreme court including around this flag issue which we had not heard about until three years late. it is not the media. these justices have to grow up and stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their own actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in here and when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much more weak than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. so we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court appeared to be honest with you, i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules that they have to follow. and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court and they should do so. we cannot blame this just on the justices. we can t blame it on trump. we can t blame it on anything else but our believes that norms were enough. they are not enough as we are learning across the united states government and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of our nation s highest court. a lot of homework, including for chief justice roberts. thank you as always for joining me this evening. really appreciate it. coming up, governor josh shapiro joins me live to talk about donald trump s promises of revenge. first, the nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it could affect his sentencing. christie greenberg is a former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me in 60 seconds. seconds. let s get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. today, donald trump met with the probation officer had of his sentencing for his 34 felony convictions in new york city. and the biden campaign cochair reminded me yesterday that this is one of those times where we need to pause and reflect on the extraordinary moment we are in. can we just stop on that fact. i will talk about the debate and a second. a guy that wants to be president of the united states first test to go sit down with his probation officer. that is just an astounding statement that sometimes people walk by. i don t think most americans are going to walk by that. he is completely right. we cannot just breeze by this stuff. trump s probation interview today happened virtually from mar-a-lago which is not typical. these meetings typically happen in person. but he is not a typical person who was just convicted either. but the interview itself is standard procedure for anyone convicted of a felony in new york. and one standard question trump may have been asked is whether he associates with criminals. you know, other convicted felons like steve bannon and oliver stone and his other buddies. we should not forget how extraordinary this moment is. kristi greenberg is the former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me now. thank you so much. you tweeted today. i will start there. that trump would try to convince the probation officer not to recommend a jail sentence. but you said probation should reject the argument. how does that conversation exactly go down during one of these meetings? i think what you probably saw this was just 30 minutes. a short interview. you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to try to highlight positive aspects of donald trump s character that they think or mitigating circumstances and things that they think will show he is amenable to supervision. so they will say, look, this criminal conduct which he denies, there is no victim here. but they need to look closer. we are victims. the american people are victims, not getting information that he was paying off a pornography start to make sure she didn t share that could have affected the election outcome. other things i think he will focus on are, i was the former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and you should take that into account. but it is also aggravating in the circumstance because he committed some of this crime like signing the checks to reimburse michael cohen right in the oval office. you could argue that. and he will point to the fact that he is a first-time offender. you know who else is a first- time offender? michael cohen, and he got sentenced to jail for the same conduct. allen weisselberg is essentially the same old one year apart. a lot of the factors that i expect todd blanche tried to highlight today in his interview, really it is going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the fact that the trial record shows all the gag order violations and to show he is not following the court orders and he certainly won t follow the orders of probation. a lot of things to argue. i wanted to ask you, i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning during one of these probation meetings. whether or not the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who happen to fall into that category. i presume he is going to say no. i don t know what he said but what happens if he does associate with convicted criminals? are there repercussions? there are. there if he were sentenced to probation, there would be conditions to that probation term. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. and so, steve bannon for example, is somebody that was convicted for criminal contempt charge and it has a trial that will start in a few months before the judge on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, someone who he has not pardoned because he is pardoned a number of his other criminal associates, for someone he is not pardoned, i would think he would not be able to associate. these are people that like we are involved with his campaign and that he would want to associate with. so we figure he will try to do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. quite a time to be alive, kristi greenberg. thank you for explaining this to us. that is always helping us to understand. i appreciate it. donald trump is not going to be able to append democracy on his own. he will need help. and a lot of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff and who has chilling plans for a second term. later, governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about all the ways the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. we are back after a quick break. so i can feel and see that my lines have gotten deeper just from a year out in the sun. i m still marie and i got botox® cosmetic. i did not want a dramatic change. i wanted something subtle. and i m really, really happy with the results. it s still me, but with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow s feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. they say we should stop eating so much meat. as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. so we made meat out of plants. because we aren t quitters. impossible. we re solving the meat problem with more meat. i bought the team! kevin.? 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every d.a. starting investigations right now? when donald trump gets elected, should he lock them up? no question. should there be a list of democrats that go to jail? 100%. it is a terrible path they are leading us to. and it is very possible that it is going to have to happen to them. in that description, as you just heard, it is all about karma. it is an eye for an eye. fighting fire with fire. that is the story they are telling over and over again. and it is one that far too many headliners are running with. as a near public had, in the media, the story tends to be framed as follows. will trump seek revenge for his legal travails or won t he? . it implies that he is bound to do to democrats what was done to him. you see, obviously, there is a big difference between what happens to trump and what he is promising to do to democrats or anybody who he is mad at. despite with the former president and his allies claim, trump was legitimately investigated, indicted, tried and convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers. 12 everyday americans. there was a legal basis and evidence for all of it. all presented during a six-week trial. not trying to hold people accountable for actual wrongdoing but reshape the american justice system and make it a political tool to go after democrats or anyone who has done trump wrong. political prosecutions were a major goal for the maga movement long before trump got indicted or convicted. i was reminded of this this week in. the washington post published an incredibly eye popping piece on the influential figure in trump s orbit that you might not be familiar with. for what it is worth, i had never heard of him either. the former director of the office of management and budget. and his name is russ vote. according to the piece, he is a potential chief of staff for a second trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist to crafted parts of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch a trump presidency. then back in september of 2022, before trump got indicted or enter the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying that the left to drive america into a post- constitutional moment. saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to throw off precedents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last 200 years. and their place according to the post, he laid out plans for donald trump to deploy the military for civil unrest and use more control over the justice department and assert the power to hold congressional appropriations. that is just on trump s first day back in office. let s pause on that. is not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wants to reshape the system for the purpose of punishing trump s perceived enemies. last year, he told the heritage foundation crowd that the department of justice is not an independent agency. and if anyone brings up in a policy meeting in the white house, i want them out of the meeting. here s the larger picture. outside of the week to week news cycle and the latest republican reactions, the republican line of fight fire with fire that you hear over and over again is really just cover. framing a plan to overhaul the justice system and executive branch at large. and by the way, this plan completely predates trump s convictions and indictments and what he had in mind all along. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro is standing by and join say next. we are back after a quick break. join cken, cr ies all wrapped up these wrapare amaz people can hear my thoughts? 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there is a trial and a jury finds someone innocent or guilty? or do we prefer a country where he president uses the justice department as his personal law firm? are we okay with the current system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws? or do we prefer a country where the president can just prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them? the election will be about a lot of things no question. but that is definitely one of them. joining me now is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. he was previously the state s attorney general. i m grateful you are here with me. i want to start with what i laid out in the earlier block. basically, this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing what they are telling supporters. simply fighting fire with fire. you are doing something with our guy and we are going to go back to you. but to me, when you look at the specifics of the plan, it feels like it is not exactly the right description. it is not just revenge but a plan in my view to reshape the system and go after their enemies. and last week, you said something that really struck me. you said i m scared to death if he is in charge with the system. is a strong statement. i want to see what you anticipate or expect. what worries you about what could happen to the system? i m deeply concerned by the system. it is why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge of the justice system or back in charge of the military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. kind of a cut and paste job, if you will. and a room with us well from my time as attorney general. he complains. he bemoans the fact that he lost and he makes up excuses and tries to pipit away from personal responsibility. remember, i was attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his cronies and allies took us to court 43 different times to try to stop certain people from voting and stop the votes from being cast. by the way, he went 0-43. we went 43-0 unprotected the rule of law and the will of the people. and now donald trump wants to come back. as he said, exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that that should scare all americans. it is another example of the kind of chaos he would inflict on the country if he was given the opportunity to lead this nation. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law and respects the institutions. donald trump has tried to undermine our faith in one another and our faith in the institutions. we didn t let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope and pray we won t let him get away with it in 2024. i will be doing everything in my political power here in pennsylvania to ensure he is not successful and the institutions stand and hold. let me ask you about something you just alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think people hear that and they think it is the reshuffling of the government and what does it actually mean? i talked about this influential figure apparently and trump residence world. and could end of being his chief of staff of for trump was reelected. who knows? this is a man who openly says he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i just want to ask you, what is the danger of that quick sometimes i think it feels like just bureaucracy in washington but it is much more than that. it is a lot more than bureaucracy. dangerous if he controls a bureaucracy as well. think about the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who didn t do anything wrong but are just his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with the products they are selling or the manner in which they are conducting themselves and to use the justice department to strip away people s liberties, rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts and essentially just have his way with good people of this nation. and it should scare the hell out of everybody. remember in 2016 ever donald trump won and then took office in 2017, he and most people around him did not know what the hell they were doing and there were still a few people around him that provided some guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people that might provide the guardrails are gone and a lot of the dangerous people around him know how the bureaucracy works. they know how the justice system works. they know how the military works. and if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again with those people around him, who want to do danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that is not the kind of chaos we want in this country. it is such an important point. it is the people that know how to manipulate and it is also the plans being written. a lot of the more online. keeping with the legal discussion here, i want to ask about the supreme court. at the top of the hour, we talked about the supreme court and specifically, justice samuel alito. and this audio come he agreed there should be a fight to return our country to a place of godliness. this comes after the reporting of a flag outside of his house that has been a symbol associated with january 6th and serious ethical scandals around justice thomas and a lot of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i just want to ask you, what is the solution here? remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away woman s right to choose. in order to make my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today then they were born with. so this is purposeful on donald trump residence part, to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people that have their own agendas. and justice alito, samuel alito, is showing his agenda by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. do you really want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito as opposed to the court or more clarence thomas is to the court. you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? remember that justice thomas wrote that abortion is just the beginning. the very fundamental reasoning or foundation or reasoning they used to overturn roe v wade could be applied in other ways. it could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love or undermine your ability to be able to go out and take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i really fear that this was just the beginning. and if donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again and put more of those kinds of justices on the court, it will not only set us back for four years but it will set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in the selection. and while donald trump and joe biden s names are on the ballot, this is a binary choice. and don t let anybody tell you anything else. there a bunch of randoms on the ballot that have no chance of winning. this is a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden. it is not about those two. it is the kind of country want for ourselves. it is whether we value freedom and care about our institutions and whether we believe we have to move forward to brighter days or whether we will go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and a reflection on all of us. and we have a responsibility to turn out and to get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we have seen on the supreme court and in the white house with donald trump and instead stand up for freedom and for fundamental values as americans and continue to move our country forward. before we let you go, i have to ask you about pennsylvania. you know the politics of your state. you know them extremely well. we have seen it. it has not been that long since the convictions. we have seen a little bit of impact in the polls. there are a lot of things that will be on the ballot and on voter mines. as you are talking to voters and knowing your state as you do, you think trump s conviction will be something that helps people to decide who are on the fence at this state? i don t know how that conviction will ultimately play out. i know the people of pennsylvania, they care a lot about four basic things. they want good schools. they want safe communities. they want economic opportunities. and they want their freedoms to be protected. i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who actually is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country and i think donald trump has to quit whining. quit trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than anyone before the in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than any other time in our nation s history. i have a message to donald trump and all of his negativity and whining, stop shit talking america. this is the greatest country on earth and it is time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. they understand we have a lot going for us. and we have time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. and not listen to the whining of the former president and instead, focus on a positive future for all of us. quit your whining. it is a good message. thank you so much governor schapiro. i always enjoy talking to you. i appreciate it. we will be right back after a quick b break. ack it himmune fight cancer in 2 different ways. opdivo and yervoy can cause your immune system to harm healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. these problems can be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have a cough; chest pain; shortness of breath; irregular heartbeat; diarrhea; constipation; severe stomach pain; severe nausea or vomiting; dizziness; fainting; eye problems; extreme tiredness; changes in appetite, thirst or urine; rash; itching; confusion; memory problems; muscle pain or weakness; joint pain; flushing; or fever. these are not all the possible side effects. problems can occur together and more often when opdivo is used with yervoy. tell your doctor about all medical conditions including immune or nervous system problems, if you ve had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, or received chest radiation. your search for 2 immunotherapies starts here. ask your doctor about opdivo plus yervoy. a chance to live longer. first, we did the impossible. then, you ate so many of the impossible that we completely ran out. and now. they re backk! the footlong cookie is back at subway! organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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or the whale will they just vote for biden instead? or do we know that by your conversations? in this particular group, five out of nine of them, trump voters, five of them were going to vote for biden. i think there are a lot of people that think, somebody that voted for donald trump twice, it seems like a long shot to get them to vote for biden. but i think it is important to understand that for a section of voters who kind of held their nose and voted for donald trump twice and then saw what happened on january 6th, saw donald trump s claims and lies about the election, they were already pretty that was sort of a red line for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from and i hear this a lot from a two time trump voters who were upset. saying, i m not going to leave it blank. it got them to a place where they said, this guy is totally unfit to be in the white house. i will vote for biden, not because i want to vote for biden and not because i want to vote for a democrat but because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection, especially with the swing voters or the right. for them, you are not building it pro joe biden coalition but an anti-trump coalition. and as donald trump gets back into people s consciousness which is a lot of what is happening with the conviction, people are remembering, yeah, i don t like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters were before, they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they don t like about trump. it is so interesting to watch the focus groups and listen to you talk about them. you know well and i know well that they are big moments in campaigns. we have also seen the campaign sharpening rhetoric around the convictions. and there is a difference between what the campaign says and what michael tyler is saying and what the candidates say. when you look at the debate coming up, is a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to the voters and to base voters. what is the right framing of language? the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. and you also don t get in a situation where you would just call him a convicted felon as many times as possible and try to win on points. the conviction is the critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus group say we should be telling about trump which is that he is in this for himself. is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy to help himself and his rich friends and to bring revenge to his enemies. it was that exact attitude, that me first attitude, that got him in this trouble to begin with. you have to take the conviction. this moment that actually caused people to brave out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention to this race and then use that to tell the more broad story. you can do that in a debate over and over again and do it in a disciplined, calm falls way that is not allowed trump to drag you down into the mud. that makes a huge amount of sense to me. i wanted to ask you a similar version of the story. there are a couple of audiences biden has to appeal to. of these people you talk to and focus groups, is there anything president biden could say about the convictions that would turn them off? is there anything that is a trigger for them about it? when it comes to the swing voters, it is not just what he says but how he says it. for them, they want to see that joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. because this is where trump kind of wins often times. he has big lunatic energy that make him seem just more vivacious or more aggressive. and sometimes when he listened to voters, they get into kind of a strong framing where they are like, trump is bad but strong and biden is okay but weak. biden has to show strength. i agree with dan. you can t just say conviction over and over again. but he does have to go on offense. in fact, the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show that he is ready to go. i think it is not just the name- calling of convicted felons but being able to say, this man is unfit and i m good to go. and you have to show that and not just tell it. state of the union energy. it is about the vibes i m hearing. i wanted to ask you about you encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should find it and subscribe to it. we will talk about it next time. thank you both for joining me. we will be right back after a quick break. don t go anywhere! dangerous ladders. gutter muck. yuck. no wonder you hate cleaning your gutters. good thing there s leaffilter. our patented filter technology keeps leaves and debris out of your gutters forever. guaranteed. call 833- leaffilter to get started. and get the permanent gutter solution that ends clogs for good. they took the time to answer all of our questions. they really put us at ease. end clogged gutters for good. call 833.leaf.filter, or visit leaffilter.com today. with fastsigns, create striking custom visuals that inspire pride district-wide. fastsigns. make your statement. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you d like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga when we say it ll be on time, they expect it to be on time. turn shipping to your advantage. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways
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the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazi rule and the collaborationists, but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. i they were actually heading intoc year five of being in charge. they were really settled in, inf france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion. hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions of allied troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs of the northwest of france. and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d-day invasion, the allied n invasion, started on june 6th. now, on this date, on june 10th, 1944, just four days into the d-day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been, of course, shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it, they now realized the scale of what they were up against and had started scrambling their units from all over france, turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi ss panzer division that had been in the south of franz. that division was ordered to essentially traverse the whole length of the country, head north to where the allies were advancing from the beaches of hr normandy. and on their way north through france, toward the new allied front lines, the new western front, this panzer division stopped in a village called oradour. pro-nazi french collaborators had told them, they told this panzer unit that the french resistance was active in this town. and they told them that the french resistance in that town had killed a nazi officer. and in response, that panzer unit decided, yes, they were on their way to the north of france to join the new western front and the, you know, the battle for the whole war, to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion, but they decided on their way e there, they would stop and do something in oradour.g they would destroy that entire village and everyone in it. that panzer unit rounded up every single man, woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up random people who didn t live in the village but were nearby or who had the misfortune to be passing through the village when this nazi unit made this decision.t that nazi unit killed every human being in oradour. or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians. a vast majority of them women and children.or they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village, and then they tore down the village as best they could. they razed it. oradour.ed this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war that they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war, as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what oradour looks like literally today, because this morning, the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at oradour to commemorate what they call the martyrdom of that village, to remember what happened in europe, in france, under fascist occupation. now, this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited oradour. actually, ten days before he was first elected president, he went there. he visited the village just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last livini survivor of that massacre.s i said the nazis killed everyone in the village, at least everyone they could find.ge the nazis did kill over 600 civilians that day, but there were about half a dozen people from the village who, against all odds, in a miracle managed by hook or by crook to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to oradour in 2017. that last survivor has since died. but today, macron went back to the site, to show this place, to germany s president. now, in 1944, about six months after oradour happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d-day invasion, they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east, for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d-day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis everywhere. not only liberating france, they clearly intend to liberate everywhere the nazis have taken over. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows that his military is on the ropes. it cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. and so about six months after d-day, about six months after oradour, hitler decides he s going to mount a surprise of his own. he decides he s going to mount a huge german counteroffensive in belgium against the allies. the allies are basically closing in on germany s own borders and when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counteroffensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had it in them. everybody thought not everybody, but a lot of people thought the war was going to be over by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 400,000, 500,000 men to mount this new counteroffensive, but they did. that german counteroffensive started in mid-december 1944. it began a six-week-long battles that would be the single deadliest battle of the entire war for the u.s. military. aside from just the brutal toll of that battle, that was the battle of the bulge, that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another german panzer unit much like the one that killed the entire population of that french village. it was an ss panzer unit in belgium. and they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counteroffensive, they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. and the result of it was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war, unarmed american p.o.w.s. and these p.o.w.s, again, they had surrendered. they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans in a field, the americans have no weapons. they have surrendered.ve they have their hands above their heads. they re p.o.w.s, but the nazis just massacred them in the field, they mowed them down with machine gun fire. and like at that village of oradour, what is almost as unbelievable as what the nazis did there was the fact there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up in that field, who nevertheless lived. american gis who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades, who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this, but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to those men giving testimony about what they saw. about what they survived, about what happened to their platoon mates, to the other men in that battalion. the other p.o.w.s who were massacred by those nazis.p. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block the american soldiers who. survived that massacre from t giving testimony about it in congress. he said the american people shouldn t hear it.e he said it would be he inflammatory. w it would inflame the public to against the nazis who killed alf of those unarmed american p.o.w.s.na i find it absolutely insane to think about, but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepentant r leftover nazis in germany after the war. they were trying to make the allies and america in particular the real bad guys from world war ii, and maybe that is understandable when you think about unrepentant nazis who just lost the war, but you would not believe it, the zi thing that s amazing is not that there were leftover nazis who were trying to do this. the thing you wouldn t believe is they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that p.o.w. massacre ha and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause celebre in the right wing press at the e time. and it helped launch the national career, the rocketship ascendance of arguably the most radical and controversial figure in republican electoral politics in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters, darker than what seems possible for something in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him, while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency, and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics look so much like what you re seeing in the american press today about the e fear of a second trump term, you wouldn t believe that it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time, the people who stood up against him mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually, ultimately, it stopped happening.en and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons.ll number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast, rachel maddow presents ultra, now has a season two, and it is out today. episode one is out today.t you can get it anywhere you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcasts, if you take out your phone right now, open the camera on your phone, and point it at that weird looking little on l circular square thing on your screen, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of thio all together.ei episode one is out today. i hope you may want to listen.e i have been working really hard on it.n i m really proud of it, but i hope you like it. i hope you ll check it out. that s one of the easons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story, i have been working in general on stories about other v times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted reallyr radical people with really radical designs to undo the fundamental things that make us who we are as a country who nevertheless get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before.p and the reason i have been working on this for the past couple years, the reason i have been working on these projects is because for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast, for me, there is a real urgency to learn these stories now.no from when we have contended with terrible challenges before, ha particularly when we re talking about powerful americans advocating for authoritarianism or just flat out embodying it. particularly when it s about selling factually unhinged conspiratorial lies to the american public and half the public is mortified, mystified by that, but the other half of the public is super energized by it and they not only believe these lies, they kind of become their whole new reason to live. the public gets bifurcated like that into earth one and earth two where some people are based in the reality based community and some people are based in a different place, and that place is emotionally satisfying to them, and radicalizing them, and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant on the american righth but we have lived through it before. and i feel like i m racing to learn these stories about americans who have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff, and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things, but knowing the track record of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian and anti-democratic forces knowing who else has tried it and what s happened to them is helpful for us calibrating our available responses now. and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i have been working on this, and that is why that story is on my mind tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean, one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of oradour today in france is that they took that tour of the ruins of that village today, that th preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe, they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large an proportions of the vote in the h european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries, the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist parties of old world war ii era germany and france, they both have current ties, including financial ties, to vladimir putin and russia. when president biden and president macron of france met in france these past few days ma for the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden said that he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets inz the g-7 countries and use those seized russian assets to providn even more support to ukraine. as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d-day commemoration ceremonies and from those meetings with e president macron. he s just back but heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g-sev summit, among other things to rally the other nations to support this new plan, to support ukraine as muc as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and, you know, in the american aperture here, what s going on in our politics while president biden is trying to, you know, rally the free world, trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more, here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d-day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies altogether. that we should break up the big western alliance, that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress, a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she s therefore she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her.y 46 republicans voted for this thing.ca a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world, forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d-day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why, the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean, on its face, it seems unlikely they would have such sway. every few days we get a new mugshot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidate s personal lawyer, wh has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment, rudy giuliani s w mugshot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all of the other maga republican mugshots we have accrued over the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with the probation office in new york ahead of his sentences. people at his rallies not only wear tshirts and fly flags that have his mugshot on them, they started carrying signs and wearing shirts that now say rr they re proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his t supporters who physically w attacked congress and injured dozens of police officers, he described them in a speech this weekend as, quote, warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capitol, those two police officers were jeered and booed by republicans in the pennsylvania state legislature. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who survived that attack, they were literally injured fighting for their country, defending our seat of government against a violent attack. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out, they want the attackers freed. and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses. you want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i have been working on all these projects. that s why i ve got this new se podcast out and i hope you listen. but it s not just the distant past. in the very recent past when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place, you might remember what preceded that shock election result here in the united states in 2016. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was preceded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote in e britain which happened just months before trump s surprise presidential victory here. i asked ben rhodes to please join us here tonight in the wake of what is now, again, another round of what seemed to be surprisingly right wing election results in europe this weekend.y was it right in 2016 to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was coming for us in the fall o 2016? as president biden balances his campaign responsibilities right now with back-to-back trips to europe, he just got back from europe, he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend, have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get?ut president biden clearly sees ouo connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the futureo of the world. does what s going on in european politics right now tell us something to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s former deputy national security adviser to president obama, cohost of the pod save the world podcast. really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me ask you for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend, let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they re important for us to pay attention to? and can you just give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections?za sure. these were elections for the european parliament. e so the european union wide parliament, so the only electiop that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. the two headlines are the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe, france and germany.rg in france, the national front party, the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in g this election and to build on what you re saying, this is a party that is not only far right, they have ties to russia. they have gotten a $10 million loan from russia in the past decade. in germany, the afd party, which has ties that go back into the kind of neonazi past of germany, they got over 15% of the vote, not a huge total, but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear, in other parts of europe, the center did hold.ur i think the real concerning factor is in the two most important countries, france and germany, we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 and see some of what was going on in politics in europe as a harbinger for the shock election result we got in the fall of r 2016 when trump won? do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pike for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality between the brexit vote, the vote by the uk to leave the european union in 2016 and the trump election was that it was a it was a surprise.a people did not think brexit was going to win the campaign and they campaigned on a kind of right wing populist message. the slogan was take back control. they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message, frankly. it kind of foreshadowed what we ended up dealing with in the fall here. i think the warning in this election, and you ask mead a wa question when i came on to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world, you asked what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this one is that their incumbent parties in germany and france that have defended essentially the status quo, emmanuel macron has been a defender of the european union. olaf scholz has been a defender of the liberal order. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties, these populist insurgents be being the defenders of the status quo, but you have to tapt into people s dissatisfaction e with globalization, dissatisfaction with inequality. sense that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say we re the responsible adults here. you have to kind of get down and have a different message for how things are going to change. g i think that s the warning sign that joe biden should hear, nots enough to run on status quo here. not enough to defend even the things we think are very t important. you have to meet people where they are, and people are frustrated.d ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama.t ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re le almost always one of the first people i think of.s thank you for being here. thanks, rachel. i can t wait to check out the r we have much more ahead here tonight.e do stay with us. her uncle s unhappy. i m sensing an underlying issue. it s t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit. unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock.” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it s not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. so let s get down to the nitty-gritty here. georgia became this kind of bench mark for principled republicans refusing to go along with improper, un-american machinations from president trump. governor brian kemp, brad raffensperger, two very conservative republicans, both nevertheless stood up to personal pressure from trump to overturn president biden s win in georgia. and of course, all that pressure trump brought to bear on georgia republicans and the ways in which those republicans resisted, that formed the basis for fulton county district attorney fani willis filing a huge rico case against trump and 18 of his codefendants in georgia. that s one story of the state of georgia after the 2020 election. republicans standing up, the record of them standing up and what they had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling, damning criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that pro-trump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes, no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is use every tool at their disposal to derail fani willis prosecution of trump. in the latest development in that three republican appointed judges have just put the whole case on hold while they take their time considering whether fani willis should be disqualified from the case. thus guaranteeing that the georgia prosecution will definitely not go forward against trump before the election. but that s only the start. in georgia s most populous county, fulton county, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a pro-trump think tank, she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile, just north of fulton county, republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now, the board there, like other counties in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans, but republicans in cherokee county are no longer okay with that. they wanted a full scale republican takeover, when that was blocked, they comp with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have ever heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta journal constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman, quote, assured the board that the new member is a democrat, even if the local democratic party is unfamiliar with him. i assure you, he s definitely on your team. i know you have never met and i picked him, but trust me. pinky promise. meanwhile, at the state elections board in georgia, republicans there just started writing a new rule that would allow county elections boards to conduct a, quote, reasonable inquiry before they certify any election results. so instead of signing off on election results as county election boards are now required to do by law, they would be empowered instead to investigate those results as they see fit. the journal constitution notes that, quote, the proposed rule doesn t say what a reasonable inquiry would entail before certifying an election. yeah, why would you specify that? you want every election denying republican county elections board member in georgia just making it up as they go along, calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month, one of its republican members was ousted, after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course, the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year, given georgia s swing state status that absolutely could be a deciding factor in how the election is going to go down. what is happening there? what is happening to try to stop what is happening there? one of the reporters on that rolling stone piece joins us next. stay with us. stay with us are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com the ultimate authority is the voter. the secretary of state was re-elected by the voters of the state by a larger margin than any other excuse me. order. order. by a larger margin than any other state-wide office. the voters order. have demonstrated their faith and therefore i do not believe that at present, we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. georgia s board of elections gathered to discuss launching an investigation into georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who had the temerity to say no when donald trump demanded he flip the results of the 2020 election in georgia. the lone democrat on that elections board spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation of raffensperger. as you heard, she was loudly shouted down. in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory, inside trump s plan to rig 2024, rolling stone reports this. quote, the former president and his supporters have been making concrete step by step progress in shaping electoral processes to his benefit. across the state, maga die hards are devoting considerable resources to purging voting rolls, intimidating election officials, employing legal dirty tricks, and ousting appointees who haven t been initiated into the cult of trump. it s the state where the republican party has total control over the levers of power. over the last four years trump loving elements of the georgia republican party have wielded that advantage in a crusade to turn election conspiracy theories into policies. it s an alarmingly anti-democratic experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joining us now is adam ronsly, the reporter co bylined on that sprawling piece. thank you for being here. thanks for having me. so what are some of the steps that trump and his allies have taken to change the electoral process in georgia? so one of the most alarming ones that a source who has discussed this issue with trump told us, a republican attorney, is they re planning to challenge the election result regardless of the result. you know, we think of the threat to elections from trump s behavior in 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. you know, at the current state of polling, trump is ahead in georgia, if you believe the polling, but what republican attorney who discussed this with trump told us is that, quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed, air quotes around cheating. and the plan is to challenge the result regardless of the outcome. and the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delegitimization of the election process. it s heads, i win, tails you lose. and i think you had mentioned this a little bit in your intro, is that one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary. because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute, which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those kinds of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. essentially you re taking someone who is, you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and, you know, assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think, importantly, that georgia s a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played the sound of one democratic member of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting raffensperger. is this fight joint where there is pushback against what they re doing or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit? you know, they definitely have quite a built-in advantage. and i think that s why georgia relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the soul of the republican party. particularly when it comes to their faith in free and fair elections. and yeah, even folks like brian kemp, who was an absolute obstacle to trump s attempt to, you know, illegally overturn the election in georgia, brian kemp signed sb-202, a law that allows for a range of, you know, sort of procedural chicanery. joe biden called it jim crow in the 21st century. you know, even folks who have proven themselves to be obstacles to some of the more overt aspects of it sometimes will just go along to get along. and so they definitely do have an advantage. and they are running the table in certain ways, but you do see folks like you mentioned earlier, like ed lindsay, whose resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that, you still do have these kind of principled republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but as you saw with the case of ed, you know, he had to resign under a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but from the grassroots of the party who believe in a lot of election conspiracies. yeah, the bare fact that a presidential candidate is personally lobbying to remove individual state elections board members ought to be on the front page of every paper of the country. been reported by adam, reporter at rolling stone. adam, the by-line reporters on the piece, georgia is our laboratory, thank you for helping us understand this. thanks for doing this work. would love to have you back. thanks so much for having me, rachel. i appreciate it. we ll be right back. stay with us. stay with us i m gina. i want to talk to you about golo and how it has changed my life and how it can change yours too. like many of you i ve been dieting and failing half my life. and each time i would diet i would quit and my weight and health would get much worse. i had to do something. i saw a golo commercial, i talked to my doctors, and i ordered. like me, the golo success stories are real. give golo a shot. you won t be sorry. could have been the heat, i suppose. temperatures were over 100 degrees at his outdoor campaign rally in las vegas yesterday. so hot, six people had to go to the hospital, and another two dozen had to get medical treatment on site. could have been the heat, i suppose. could also maybe have been that he was nervous about the fact that he was less than 24 hours away from his first meeting with his new york state probation officer. that meeting could be particularly nerve-racking for him because, you know, one of the things a probation officer asks you after you re convicted of felonies is if you have been associating with anyone who has a criminal record. that s worth noting because if he is ultimately sentenced to probation next month while he s on probation, he would not be allowed to associate with anyone with a criminal record. for a lot of people, that wouldn t be a big deal. for him, that s a big deal. that particular restriction eats away at his very close social circle. so maybe that was all distracting him. i don t know. he maybe had a lot i don t know. whatever the reason, he decided to venture into new territory in his campaign speech yesterday, less than five months out from the election. this is an important swing state. he decided with the land locked citizens of las vegas needed to hear about from him in order to be persuaded to vote for him was his fear of boats. heavy boats, boats with batteries near sharks. you know, nevada sharks. i know you have heard it happened. you may have seen a headline or scrolled past it on a social media feed. have you actually watched it? uncut, straight through, watched it unfold? it is very much worth watching. it s astonishing. my favorite part is the people you can see at the rally behind him who are really trying to follow along but who clearly have no earthly idea what uncle ramble standers is on about. just watch this. what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? and you re in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there s a shark that s approximately ten yards over there? by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. did you notice that? i watched some guys justifying it today. well, they weren t really that angry. they bit off the young lady s leg because of the fact that they were they were not hungry but they misunderstood who she was. these people are crazy. he said there s no problem with sharks. they just didn t really understand a young woman swimming. really got decimated and a lot of other people. i said so there s a shark ten yards away from the boat. ten yards. or here. do i get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do i jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted because he didn t know the answer. he said, nobody has ever asked me that question. i said i think it s a good question. i think there s a lot of electric current coming through the water, but what i would do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, i would take electrocution every single time. i 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convicted in his criminal hush money trial. what sources are saying about what happened during that private proceeding. plus authorities release a new mug shot of rudy giuliani as
just for the summations now, you can t bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn t he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that s interesting. so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i m sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he s there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he s not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he s not there as the president of the united states he s there as the father of hunter biden? yeah. i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it s it s not great, but you can t read too much into that. yeah. we re not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to monitor all the news here at cnn, seen a news night with abby phillip starts right now the donald trump, his rally diehards that s tonight on these good evening. i m abby phillip in new york, another american first, the convicted former president who is now running to oversee the country. again just met with his probation officer in just moments i ll speak with abc news anchor and former clinton white house insider george steph monopolists will get some unique insights into what a second trump term may look like but first, a play-by-play of what donald trump said in las vegas let s set the scene for you. the heat spiral 200 degrees. six people were sent to the hospital two dozen others were treated at the scene call it the heat or donald trump feeling hot under the collar. but the content of this rally vero wildly into topic after topic. now, some that actually might matter to you the voter, and others that matter to donald trump. and maybe no one else. so here is an incomplete sampling of what you heard. if you happen to have stood in that rally and sweated through all of it starting with a joke about voters i don t want anybody going on me. we need every voter. i don t care about you. i just want your vote. i don t care these are the range that dumb guy is that dumb son of a he s a corrupt, very dumb person. he s a low iq individual, is just something missing and there always has been this guy just hit enter, it goes to the beach the time somebody thinks it looks good in a bathing said, i don t think so and he has that little chair that weighs about like seven ounces. it s been so children can lift it and very old people can lifted. and you know what he s not old he s incompetent. it s weak, it s in ineffective, it s both. what he signed they re totally destroying our black population. they re totally destroying are hispanic population. i pay all this money to teleprompter people and i d say 20% of the time, they don t work. i don t pay contractors that do a job and that s a job that s a job you can t read all right what would happen if the boat sank from his weight and you re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery. and the battery is now under the water. and there s a shark that s approximately ten yards over there by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately did notice that those j6 warriors, they were worries, but they were really more than anything else. they are victims of what happened. all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that s what they were doing. and then the police say go and go in, go in water, set-up. that was what a horrible, horrible thing. and you know, that blows two ways. if we win nevada we win the whole thing. i hope the military revolt set the voting booth and just says we re not going to take it. he should take a drug test because i m willing to take 20 me now is george stuff annapolis, abc news anchor he is a veteran of the clinton white house, and he s also the author of a brand new book, the situation room, the inside story of presidents in crisis. george, it s great to have you on in this book it chronically on avy, it critical six decades of crisis management from the situation room a place that you know well from your time in the white house, one of the interesting things is also these interviews with officers who were in the situation room on january 6. this is at a time now when trump is actively running to be back in the white house, and fundamentally change how the government works, how the so-called deep state works. did you hear any concerns from these duty officers about what a second trump term would mean for the kind of continuity that the national security apparatus has relied on for all these years. absolutely i mean, duty officers and others who served in the trump administration worried that the institutions would crumble. i spoke with them. wait us situation duty officer named mike stigler, who is actually on-point on january 6, and he said people have to understand how close we came to losing the vice president at the time. and he was horrified by this also horrified by the fact that he and his fellow officers in the situation room that they had to start implementing the continuity of government procedures which were designed to make sure that the government survives a nuclear attack. they were put into place on that day because of the threat to our institutions on that day as one of course, president trump famously never called down the situation room even once all during january 6. and you know, you talk about it s not just how close we came to watching our institutions crumble that day the ongoing threat is real. i mean, look at what happened just saturday night in las vegas when the president, former president uk, called the january convicted felons from january 6, those who rioted on january 6 and tried to block the peaceful transfer our he called them warriors who are somehow set up by the police. he s called them hostages. he s called them patriots. he s promising to pardon them. he s not promising to divide by the results of the next election. so this, this pass thread is very real right now have you ever seen, i mean, in your research and your time in government anyone run for office, really running against the very government that they are supposed to be? overseeing absolutely unprecedented abbe absolutely unprecedented. we have never had a former president or a presidential candidate who refuses to accept the peaceful transfer of power, who refused to say but he will buy by the constitution who s been indicted. and impeached for trying to block the peaceful transfer of power that is something that is absolutely fundamental to our democracy is one of the things that s made our democracy work for over 200 years. the idea the simple fact that the former president continues to lie about the, about the last election that he did, whatever he could on that data block, the peaceful transfer of power is absolutely unprecedented in all of our history and you, on your show on this week, you ve had some of these trump vp short listers on there some of the other hosts of this week have also had them on. i want to just play a little bit of what they ve been saying on television of late i think there were problems in 2020. yes, i do. do i think it was a problem that big technology companies working with the intelligence services sensor, the presidential campaign of donald trump? yes governors, governor you, you have said the election should wasn t stolen and you re supporting someone who says it was well, i know that we ve got certainly we ve got irregularities do you get the sense that this is one of the requirements to be on that shortlist you don t get the sense it s out there is plain as day. i actually talked to senator jd vance who is reportedly on the shortlist. as well. and every indication he gave was that he would do the same thing that mike pence, that he would not do what mike pence did in 2000 i mean, it s certainly seems to have become a requirement for those who are running to accept president trump s lie. former president trump s lie about the last election to suggest that he did nothing wrong. now on january 6, to say that somehow that is not an important issue at this point. and to suggest that it was actually vice president pence who did the wrong thing in 2020 i mean, this is just again, this is astonishing. we ve never really had a former prison isn t it run before? whose own vice president refuses to endorse him because of the actions he took on those days. yeah. yeah. i mean, that alone has says maybe it says it all as a journalist, when you have these potential vp, a candidates on the show, you ve had them on, we ve had them on the show here. they rarely, if ever for concede ground this seems to be also another litmus test for how to be in maga world. i mean, is this the new reality for this this maga era of politicians that they don t back down when they re confronted with fats perhaps it is, but i think that s, that poses a test for all of us in journalism as well. i ve made it a point if they will not accept those facts, i don t go on to other issues. i m not going to go to participate in some kind of a sham where you somehow equate the legitimacy of an election or the peaceful transfer of power with a debate over tax cuts or environmental regulation. if you can t pass that fundamental threshold of saying yes, the last election was not stolen two, i will abide by the results of the next election then i think that s all voters and viewers need to know. i don t think if you re willing to lie about something as big as that, why should anything else they want to talk about be given any credence it s such an important point. i mean, we ve got a vice presidential debate coming up right here on cnn. i later this month as a journal phyllis does american what do you think is the most important question that needs to be answered from both candidates who won the last election yeah, very simple. yeah. and won the last election. let s just let s let s discuss and debate. and we ll see, i mean, luck, week. it s been asked by donald trump. he refuses to answer it correctly, but we ll see what he does when he s given that opportunity in front of 140 million people it says it s a little bit different than on a stage like that. yeah, i when it s an actual debate, but that s it s a real test. i do want to play a little bit of what the vice president kamala harris has been saying, actually, on this very point, i mean, she seems to really be taking this issue on head-on. donald. trump openly tried to overturn the last election and now he openly attacks the foundations of our justice system. cheaters don t like getting caught it s a different tone than we ve seen from harb, but it also speaks to that question that you just raised if trump doesn t pass the truth test on that issue, is there room for the biden administration to even move on to some of the other stuff, maybe the bread and butter issues, maybe the economy do you think that they are? settling on this idea of a character test for donald trump on this issue. president president kennedy, i have to do it all, but i mean, i think that is the threshold question of this election. certainly the biden campaign is going to have to address voters concerns about the economy, voters concerns that inflation, those are important as well, but it it is fundamental, as i said, at the start part the very question of whether or not you accept election results, whether you accept the peaceful transfer of power, that is an absolutely fundamental issue that people should be confirmed runaway as they go to make their choice in november when it comes to the potential of a trump administration. i mean, what do you think his conduct on january 6 tells you about what he might do next? not just around the election, but just in general he s saying what he would do next. he says that every single day he says he would pardon what he calls the january 6 hostages. he s talked about retribution using his justice department as an as an arm of retribution. he s talked openly about dropping the prosecutions against themselves. that s an active obstruction of justice in and of itself. it s no secret when president trump says he wants to do something, we should take a minute as word george steph, novelist. thank you very much. again, george s book, the situation room is out right now next breaking news about trump s legal issues here. what happened inside of his meeting with eight probation officer ahead of his sentencing? thanks. plus one of trump s allies gets a new mug shot. will discuss with rudy giuliani is biographer and the former president says 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where the similarities stop. at the differences get real. trump got to have his lawyer, todd blanche in the room, a special accommodation not afforded then to the average defendant and it s one of the few notable examples of how the legal system really bent over backwards for trump, where it would not have for others, ten contempt violations normally merit more than just a fine. nobel restrictions for a defendant of his means. also, an anomaly carefully choreographed search of his home to spare them from having cameras capture agents of the lawn of the law wearing fbi jackets. that s a nicety really given to no one else joining me now are robert gray who was counseled to then president trump during is first impeachment. and dante mills, he s a civil and criminal attorney and a law professor at temple this leaves school of law, dante, this probation hearing lasted about 30 minutes. we re told what kind of information are they trying to get from trump. let s just walk through. everybody understands the purpose of this and why they do it most times, judges don t know the defendant these trials happen. normally their day or two. the judge doesn t get to know the person they re going to have to sentence. so what you do is you have an investigating officer come in, ask questions about the person s background, get an understanding of who they are, where they come from, who their family is, what kind to jobs they have. and then they present a report to the judge who says, based on this report it s going to influence my decision one way or the other, or it won t because it s pretty standard so it happens to everybody, but we do it to a former president of the united states. everybody knows who he is already. so it s not necessary. i don t think in this case, but you have to go through the process of why why have his lawyer present? i mean what s the concern there are the on trump s part. i don t know so about new york state practice, but i will say in federal practice is actually typical to have a lawyer present during the pre-sentence interview. in fact, it s almost always ordered by the judge upon request of the defense. them from saying anything that might hurt them. right. particular well, not so much that but particularly in a case that goes to trial where the defendant has an appeal. i think the concern always is to not talk about the quote, unquote, instant offense, meaning the offense of conviction because you might say something there that potentially could jeopardize. and i think everything else. and so that s why the lawyer often the lawyer is there to just simply she and i ve done hundreds of these essentially two let me handle the discussions as your lawyer with the probation officer about the offensive fine line between wanting your client to be forthcoming and not be obstructive against the person trying to get information, but also not crossing the line is saying, but i did this or slipping up is saying something that can be used against them, being obstructive to the person trying to get information is definitely something i would be worried about with trump. i mean, just in general that judge merchan is going to weigh who is donald trump, which everybody knows to a certain degree, but also the lack of remorse here, frankly, in this case, i mean, ultimately, how does that all come together to influence the judge s decision and sentence? i think the judge knows what he s going to do, but he ll get this regard. i think he s already made up his mind, but he ll get this report and he ll see what s in this report and he may use that to justify something if he wants to put trump in jail, he ll say well, trump wasn t forthcoming. look at this report. he didn t even provide this information if he wants to give them probation, he ll say, well trump was he was cooperating with this investigator. so this is a sign that he s learned his lesson and we don t need to put them in jail. i think this will be used to bolster whatever sayyed the judge wants to lean on. you think the judge is already setup, set his mind to some decision here you know, i honestly don t. i think that obviously all judges have views about a case, particularly when they ve sat through a trial about what they might do in the event of a conviction at sentencing. but i do think the judges take very seriously, both in guilty plea cases as well as cases that go to trial and result in a conviction in evaluating a third parties let s review which is the probation office of the defendant s personal characteristics and history and the investigation that they conduct. they re very good at it. i have found judges don t always agree. they don t have to agree with what they re probation office recommends, but i imagine the probation office will recommend whether or not in this e felony case a sentence of imprisonment is warranted or not. generally, i would say that in this particular case, i don t know if we re going to find any or learn anything new about the former president trump that we don t. and the judge doesn t know are ready, so i do want to move on just briefly to what s happening down in florida with judge aileen cannon i mean, she s got a lot of emotions to deal with. she dealt with one issue today hey well, one-and-a-half let s call it that one of them was whether or not to throw out some of the counts against donald trump sheet ruled against that, but she did say that this so-called talking indictment in which the prosecutors laid out this description of trump s handling of classified map and how he talked to somebody and his camp payne about it. she basically said that was unnecessary and she struck it from the indictment what do you make of that? it is something that judges, federal judges increasingly, i have seen as a defense lawyer have problems with i mean, they they don t try to trim the sales of the government too often about speaking indictments but they do expect that speaking indictments, if they speak speak to facts that the government expects with some degree of certainty will be offered into evidence and received into evidence at trial. and this was a situation where i think the sense was that was excised from the indictment was problematic. the judge hasn t ruled on it yet. it may or may not. this is other similar acts evidence but not conduct that s actually he wasn t part of the charge charge and that s shouldn t really be in the diet payment ordinarily unless you re pretty certain that the judge has made a ruling. but to trump s handling of classified documents, which is the gate does but i ll tell you why this was put in there. the prosecutors who bought this case knew they were bringing a case against the former president of the united states, and they will be scrutinized all right, people are going to go through with a fine tooth comb and i believe they want it to include things that would pass the smell test for anybody reading this indictment, they threw extra facts and air. so if you just read the indictment on its face, you said, oh, they have a case. oh, they have a reason for bringing this forward. so i do think they went overboard a little bit. i understand why they did it i also don t blame the judge for saying all right. just take this part, striking it does that have any impact on the case at all? the indictment is welcome to things. one is the jury will be specifically instructed at the beginning of the trial during trial and at the end of the trial that the indictment itself is just a charge and it s not evidence of anything. but it is fairly often the case paste that judges will allow the indictment into the jury room. not all judges will do that but in federal cases, some judges will. and so you don t want anything in the indictment that the jury really shouldn t be in a judge is going to take a look. important thing is the jury instructions. the judge is going to tell them what the law is, what they have to base their decision on. think that will be more important than the indictment itself but she was right for cleaning up that indictment and just not having facts that may or may not come in. that case is a slow moving train. but here we are. robert ray, dante mills. thank you. both for being here. and next, the man who was once known as america s mayor posing for his second mug shot in less than a year, who knew giuliani biographer joins me live plus y giuliani decided to call fani willis a hoe at eight christian event alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise he also was compromised secrets and spies, a nuclear game. sunday at ten on cnn my husband and i own a growing beverage company. we rely on e-commerce and digital tools it s a build our business and launch new products thanks to american investments and ai, we re using this technology to run our business more efficiently artifact official intelligence is a game changer. and i m excited that the us 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pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiring to overturn arizona s election, joining us now is andrew kurtzman. he is the author of giuliani the rise and tragic fall of america s mayor. that is exactly the topic of conversation today because i mean to mug shots in a year, for any rational person that would be extraordinary for the man who used to be he thought at one point he could be president of the united states, america s mayor. i m in quite the fall. will anyone who was around the 80s or 90s saw a giuliani even long before he was america s mayor. he was the most famous law man in america, right? he was a crusading prosecutor. the united they southern district and manhattan, the scourge of wall street wall street crux and mafia bosses and the, the trajectory of giuliani s career is just, it s pretty extraordinary. i mean, with trump and giuliani long ago, we ve lost the ability to be shocked by then, but those mug shots of giuliani or a jaw dropping, if you know who he was, someone back then who had such a reverence for the law. he saw that court system as his church someone who has now been reduced to that. it s pretty tragic. and on top of that, i mean alaa man, that s a perfect example of the image that he portrayed himself. and yet in this arizona case, he was literally running from the law he literally tried to escape being served i mean, that s the rudy giuliani of today would be completely unrecognizable of the giuliani of 20 years ago are 30. there s, there s no question about it. i mean, his fall it s not that he s had a toe just a career collapse. he said a total moral collapse as well. he is just a shadow of him self and today or tonight, i was listening to his nightly webcast and there he was railing against joe biden and hunter biden engaging and character assassination there s a certain kind of almost fanaticism to him that s caused him to do as much as as much damage as he done and also to be a shameless about it. and it continues, i want to play for you what he said at a christian event about the georgia district attorney fani willis then i ve got to prosecutors fani the whole i m sorry i mean, what what what is there to even say anymore about comments like that, right? i mean, it s horrible. it s horrible, and it s it s not just, you know? portable character assassination, which is kind of bint as hallmark all the way back to his prosecutorial career but it also is a complete undermining of who he wants was as someone as i was saying, who had such reverence for the law that he you re talking about a person almost became a preece when he was a young man, he saw the court system as kind of that kind of similar moral kind of adjudication area where you declared right from wrong i mean, look look at them now. i mean, it s disgraceful as with so many people in trump s world, it s almost like he gives them a permission slip to just no holds barred, no inhibitions. they get to kind of go with their most base instincts. and i think 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republican nominee arguing why voters should choose him in november we can t afford to have anyone sit on the sidelines now is the time for us to all pull together and to stand up for our values and for our freedoms. and you just can t vote democrat. they re against religion there, against your religion in particular, you cannot vote for democrats and you have to get out and vote what makes the comments notable are where are they happened, which was in front of extreme anti-abortion group, the danbury institute wants to outlaw all abortion, even in case of rape and incest. they also claimed that abortion is never necessary to save the life of a mother. the group also so opposes ivf treatments to help women get pregnant. now remember, trump and says that he doesn t want to ban all abortions. and he says that he supports ivf. but today, he told those anti-abortion activists that he ll stand by there, sayyed side-by-side with them joining me now is republican strategist joe opinion, former communications director for vice president kamala harris, jamal simmons and former press advisor to speaker john boehner, more gillespie, joe. this is probably a strategy of no one is going to pay attention to what trump is doing, but we re paying attention. why would, why would he do that? look, i think we have to two issues here. do you have an issue with your organization? do you have an issue with the message? i think we ll start with the message. i mean, i think the issue is does donald trump believed that abortion should all be illegal? this group believes or does he believe what he says? he believed the president has been quite clear that he does not want you have a federal ban, i think has been very clear on the fact that he wants you have the issue remain with the states and so either we can take him at his word or you don t. it s quite clear that people want you tie him and tebor him to the organization. and all of their beliefs. it is quite clear that we are in the business of coalition building here in american politics. if you have an issue with the coalition, you can bring that up on the campaign trail, but it is interesting to me that we never asked democrats you disavow any of their supporters. we never asked democrats to affectively find the most extreme elements of their party and then answer questions about them. this only happens with people on the political right. and so i think that, that look, i think i don t think that s true. i think that s what comes up all the time. democrats are always asked, they are i say disavow, i didn t blanche. there s a difference between asking whether you agree with the issues and then saying, what do you have to disavow the group? i think again, the broader issue here is is the democratic party, a party that is hospitable to the beliefs of christians. i think there s plenty of polling that shows that there has been an erosion of faith in america. but there is a greater arose in the democratic party. and many of the policies that they re advocating for them up to democrats. this is a place where you guys are completely off base because the democratic party is fueled by african americans, particularly african american women who are the backbone of large christian churches all over america and so if we take a look at where the democratic party stands and the teachings at some i m a child of a minister. and as the teachings of jesus feeding the hungry clothing, the naked, taking care of those who are, who are needed and dispossessed that is quite right in the middle of the home plate of the democratic party platform. so i think that make the argument is an argument that is being made on behalf of a various particular subset of christianity that in historical terms, has not been on the side of african-americans at all because that part of the christianity has been on the side in the old days, slavery segregation i mean, he remembers very different. we want to have an ala carte conversation about religion short democrats like you pick and choose when they want to go down to the black church, like kathy hochul and get their anointing and say that i am not here to be the mother of all 62 counties that she s going to be a were all her apostles. there is a real serious conversation. democratic party, where if barack obama goes to boston it says that we have some people worshiping god and the blue states and awesome gotten the blue states. but when eric adams goes and says that i believe that god s plan for my life has led me to becoming mayor. he gets mocked. he gets mocked by the media. he gets mapped over there when we have all of those arrays. also, i just i don t want to lose this in the conversation. it s important though it is donald trump describing, first of all, your religion, i thought that he described himself as christian, but then to say that it is against your religion, christianity to vote for democrats, that seems like crossing a line. but i also think, what just happened here too is you re saying you guys down trump is saying all democrats, your blanket statements. that s what s frustrating i think to there can people as these blanket statements assuming that all democrats think like that all republicans think like, and that s an accurate. and so donald trump did here is interesting because he s pandering to christian conservatives, but yet his lifestyle, we know violet plates most, if not all, the commandments that he, you know, that the christians abide by but that s all trump. that doesn t speak for all republicans, not all republicans believed to ban abortion. and not all republicans want to attack women. just like i don t think all democrats are pro palestine and not all pro-hamas. i don t blanket statement that because i think that s a frustration in politics. political perspective. i mean, you talked about the big tent. i i think that s that s one way of looking at it. but from a political perspective, donald trump trying to argue he understands abortions of political problem for republicans. he s trying to argue, he s not the extremist president. he s not going to have a national ban, but then to go before an organization that is even to the right of the right on this issue, it does that really undercut his message giving democrats an opportunity? it does get their request an opportunity, not just because he s talking to this group i mean, he he made i think he s being extreme, but all the extremists think that he s extreme enough for them, right? he is the president who took credit for pregnant three supreme court justice on the court, who got rid of row, who helped the end roe v wade protections for abortion. he wants credit from groups like this about getting rid of abortion in the country. and if he s going to take credit, that means he also has take the blame from 60 5% of the country who has decided that we are four abortion rights. they are for women having the freedom to exercise control over their own bodies. and if he s going to take the credit, he also has to take well, i would agree that there are individuals who will be offended by the choice of the venue. and so if democrats want to raise that as an issue that is fair game in politics, but that does not deal with the fact that again, we re not having this conversation to your point when we re talking about people on the brooklyn bridge yelling from the river to the sea. palestine will be free, which is a call for the eradication of us people. we don t have these same, i think would disagree with you i don t wanna i don t want to belabor that point, but definitely i don t i do not think that is an issue that the democratic party has to own, right? it s becomes those are those democrats that is not indicative of who we are as a party. i think it is disingenuous to sit here and pretend that we don t have a senate majority leader for this nation that has gone and undermined benjamin netanyahu. it is disingenuous to say that we don t have a president than on one day said you re going to support israel on the other, de said is going to get rid of funny, i click, i get this is a completely separate issue, but my point is that if we re going to have people own a particular faction of their base and which do what across the board. and we re here having this conversation about abortion because it is clearly an issue the democrats think they can run on. and the only issues they can run on its abortion on monday, abortion on tuesday, january 6, on wednesday, and nothing else. abortion on monday and abortion on tuesday worked pretty well for them particularly in 2022. so more, how do you see this? republicans are going to struggle as we have on this issue of women s rights. when we talk about abortion, we fail to talk about the resources that aren t available to women who are now in these states that are being told they can t do ivf, which i m sorry if you want women to have more children, ivf is a wonderful opportunity to do that. so you re banning things like that. and you re not giving them the resources, then to have children to support women going to those appointments. having children is expensive. childcare is expensive. we don t do anything about that conversation. we stop and i think that two things can be true at once. you can believe in the sanctity of life, but you can also believe in medical freedom for half the population of the places in this country where it s the most difficult to have an abortion. it s also the most difficult to raise a child. it s a good point more, joe and jamal. thank you all very much for that conversation up next for us, the olympic rings, they re officially unveiled in paris, but not without some conscious firstly, of course, over who will be on the court for team usa. bob costas is here and he ll weigh in on caitlin clark, not making the cut. that s the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher, biden. democracy is on the 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celebrating the most popular opening months in its history. the league is reporting that on average, a whopping 1.3 million people have been watching their games on national broadcast. that is a 286% increase over last year game attendance merchandise sales social media engagement. they ve all been off the charts now, it s unclear exactly how much credit indiana fever star caitlin clark deserves for this jump, but it is safe to say that she has had a significant role in the success of the league. now, that being said all of these numbers come as the team usa announced its roster for next month s olympics, olympic games in paris. now let s just take a look at the team. you ll see that someone is notably missing yes. caitlin clark was omitted from the list and social media didn t take kindly to that. so should she be on the squad joining me now to unpack all of this is cnn contributor bob costas christine brennan, our friend on the show here and usa today and broke or so unless she broke this big story she won t be on the team. is it a snub or is this just the way ago? well, there are no rookies on the team. they re all veterans. if you wanted to make a case, you could say diana taurasi, who is an all-time wnba great. been in the league since 2004 for two decades, 41-years-old has five olympic gold medals already you could say you could put caitlin clark on in place of how you could make that case, but caitlin clark, other people would make that caitlin clark herself says, i get this 100%. i m young, i can work toward the next olympics and an olympics after that caitlin clark has faced some resentment for a variety of reasons. people, according to whatever narrative they want, want to attribute everything to one thing, whatever it is. but as we discussed last week with carrie champion, it s a combination of things, but say anything you want about caitlin clark. she in addition, they should understand this high tide of caitlin clark is raising all boats as you just pointed out, in addition to that, she has done everything the right way. she said i don t know what an apology from kennedy carter is just the way the game is. and then she praised carter s play. she says the game is rough. i ve got to adapt to that. she signs every but a graph. she doesn t whine and complain. she didn t complain about being left off the olympic team. some of this, and it s just not just a white, white thing, but maybe she is in terms of attention now that but many white stars in the league over the last quarter century, maybe there s some similarity between her and larry bird when larry bird came into the nba, there was some skepticism all he was fine in college is a white guy, can t be that good. it turned out he was one of the all-time greatest players, one of the ten greatest players conservatively in the whole history of the league when dennis rodman, who s always been a little crazy, said, if larry bird was a black guy, just be an average player, everyone was up in arms, right? here s what larry said. i don t care. let s just play he defused the whole thing. he warned everybody over by just being about basketball and caitlin clark, i think has been not just a really good and exciting player. she s been a classy person to this point and good for her. yeah. actually, let s play what caitlin said about being left off the team honestly, notice appointment like i think it just gives you something something to work for. you know, that s a dream, you know, hopefully one day i can be there and think it s just a little more motivation you remember that and, you know, hopefully in four years when four years comes back around, i can be there and honestly likely she will. i mean, just so people understand bob me what you were just talking about. this is what the olympic team looks like in terms of their accolades. i mean, you ve got wnba champions, you ve got all stars because you ve got olympic gold medalists, you ve got people who have basically been at the highest levels playing at slav a for a long time already. seems that she understands that she understands that. and what coaches and players around the wnba have to understand. i think most of them likely do yeah, i understand the resentment they d been there a long time. there are many good players. she s getting a disproportionate amount of the attention, but none of that is her fault. some of the resentment toward her has a racial element in it. we d be naive to deny that, but some people want to make that the entire narrative as we discussed last week with carrie champion, some of this is is carrier said as stacy dales of espn, who played in league happens to be white, she has said, hey, we ve been around a long time notice, not just our excellence, but it s a physical game. now, we have to make distinctions. what kennedy carter did against caitlin clark is outside the bounds. it should have been a flagrant foul i ll they upgraded it to that last week. i made the point that when alyssa thomas through angel reese to the floor, that was involved two black players had it been caitlin clark and alyssa thomas and thrown her to the floor? everyone would have made that a racial incident and only a racial incident i did a bad job, however, on context because that was immediately called a flagrant two. and alyssa thomas was ejected, plus it was on a small cable outlet and not viewed as widely as kate, right like kennedy carter, caitlin clark thing was out of bounds and it s pretty clear that for whatever reasons kennedy carter harbored some resentment toward caitlin clark, whatever the cause. i mean, one of the things is that all these kind of new fans right to the gay are coming in and everybody wants to be a sports analyst of the wnba and they ve just now started watching and they re not even watching all the games, apparently. right. and when people say in a simple-minded way, oh, she s a white star. there have been many, many white stars over the years past and present. there s breanna stewart now, there was rebecca lobo sue bird, sabrina ionesco, who almost batch steph curry in a three-point shooting contest this past february at the starting name, what is it about caitlin clark? it s not just that she s white. steph curry stood out from other great black stars in the nba because he played in a way that was appealing and relatable. shooting from the logo, dr. jay was more appealing and brought in more fans and his teammate moses malone, who was a three-time mvp because dr. jay s game was more flamboyant. michael jordan wasn t just great. he was fun to watch caitlin clark is fun to watch. yeah. and she is going to be a star pretty much no matter what do you think she ll ultimately be an alternate for the olympic team? i think he could be. i think that s possible. and the concern that because she d be reserve and she wouldn t play that many minutes and therefore, her fans would be up in arms just put the point out there, educate them it 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[chanting] bill: you can hear the chants long live the intifada. this is in downtown new york city and they are back at it beyond the pale. pro-palestinian protestors targeting an exhibit in lower manhattan that pays tribute to the victims of the attacks of october 7th. the mob chanting a slogan calling for violence against the jewish state. more on that momentarily coming up here. get to this. it is happening right now on verdict watch in delaware. a jury weighing whether or not to convict hunter biden on three federal gun charges. he walked in with his wife a moment ago. this will be regardless a momentous decision could come down at any moment watching it from new york city. i m bill hemmer. what s happening? dana: i m dana perino and this is america s newsroom. there is so much news this morning we ll get to all of it. the anti-israeli exhibit is disgusting and outrageous. this is something that judge jeanine said she thinks we ll get a jury verdict before noon today. hunter biden accused of illegally buying a gun when he was a drug addict. the charges carry a sentence of 25 years if prison. that is unlikely as a first time offender. bill: the defense is banking on a homefield advantage. playing up his struggles with addiction hoping it will resonate with the jury in delaware. dana: let s go to rich edson outside the courthouse in delaware, where he has been reporting every day on it. jurors should be heading into the courtroom shortly. the judge will address them briefly and go back to deliberations. hunter biden is here again. he showed up a short while ago with his wife melissa and attorney abbe lowell. there was some discussion the defense team floated having him take the stand last week. he did not do so and they moved into final deliberations. the deliberations were an hour ten minutes yesterday. the prosecution says there is overwhelming evidence that in october 2018 hunter was a drug user, lied about it on a federal form to buy a gun and illegally possessed that weapon for 11 days. prosecutors recapped text messages, testimony from hunter s texts and the gun store owner who sold him the gun. biden family members in the courtroom which included first lady jill biden saying people sitting in the gallery are not evidence. and that nobody is above the law. the defense acknowledges hunter dealt with the drug addiction from 2015 to 2019. abbe lowell maintains hunter was not a drug user when he bought and owned that firearm. he called the prosecution s case a magic trick relying on evidence of past drug abuse to prove hunter was using drugs when he bought that gun. lowell says there are no photos showing or testimony from witnesses who saw hunter use drugs in october 2018. the deliberations should be underway here shortly. whole bunch of people at the courthouse today. one of those days here. throw it back to you guys. dana: sounds like you have a fan. bill: catching the micro phone, too. kerri urbahn joins us, too. the bidens influence and power in the state cannot be underestimated. the sympathetic issue is the one that hunter biden s legal team is focusing on. size that up, kerri, for us today. of course, if you are sitting there as a juror directly looking into the eyes of the first lady, hunter biden s stepmother, looking at his family members, you have to remember this is a small town small state kind of feel. of course it is going to move you in some way and that is what i think abbe lowell, the defense attorney, has been shooting for. also why i thought it was especially significant that d.o.j. opened their closing argument yesterday by pointing to them and you have to remember there are several feet away. that s a gutsy move looking directly at family members saying what their doing doesn t matter. this is about evidence and went on to present what feels like overwhelming evidence of hunter biden s drug use both before, during and after the time he purchased the gun including text messages to the widow of his brother who died. he sent a message in the next couple of days after the gun purchase talking about smoking crack, meeting dealers and all that. dana: listen to jonathan turley on hannity last night talking about what delaware is like. abbe lowell, the defense counsel, put up a series of defenses that collapsed within two days. prosecutors methodically destroyed all of these claims. in a normal case, that jury would have been out for an hour and come back with a conviction. the defense is playing to a delaware jury. this is biden town. dana: one thing i wanted to ask you about and had to look up the definition of this so i think it would be helpful for the audience. a possibility of jury nullification. what does that mean and why might it happen here? it is pretty simple. it means the jury knows this person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. evidence and testimony is there but decide to put that aside and basically send a social message to the public saying we know this person is guilty but we think it is more important to acquit him because of whatever the message is they re pushing. here it would be addiction. now i would think, though, they are also contending with the fact just because you are addicted doesn t mean that you have license to commit illegal acts and do all the kinds of things that hunter biden did. again, the evidence was extensive. much more than i realized. on to have of it, a rare thing in a trial. you had the defendant in his own words on tape via his audio book describing extensive illegal activity for years and years and years including around the time period he bought the gun. the jurors had to sit there and looking at hunter biden across the room they are listening to his voice describe all that. bill: leo weiss, interesting scenario you present when you are an attorney and looking at people in the audience in the front row who have been there more or less every day since the trial began. weiss said this, was he an addict? did he know he was an addict when he filled out the form? that s all you have to decide. when he decided to lie on that form, that s when the crime was committed. is it that simple? normally it really would be that simple. jonathan turley was saying that as well. we live in upside down times. this whole thing wreaks of politics. i mean what i mean by that is they could have brought this years ago, the d.o.j. this is a very simple case, open and shut. evidence is overwhelming. they chose not to. why? probably because he was the president s son or then the vice president s and new the ramifications if they brought the charge against him. the sweetheart plea deal fell apart and political pressure to change that. now they ve gone the other way. we ll see what happens. it will be interesting to see how the jury contends with all of this and we ll find out today, i think. dana: what is your prediction? do you think it will go past noon or easy for them to wrap it up this morning? i heard what you said about judge jeanine and i have to defer to the judge given all her years of expertise. i will say, though, there was chatter whether it would go past lunch. typically jurors enjoy a free lunch. so that was part of the discussion at the courthouse yesterday. dana: we got word the jury is deliberating now as we speak. we ll find out. regardless it probably will come today before or after noon, who cares, really. thank you so much, kerri. also this on the border crisis. fox cameras capturing hundreds of migrants pouring across the southern border into san diego sector. border crossings continue despite president s biden s action. they are likely to be released into the u.s. matt finn live at the border in california. tell us more. all day long yesterday we stood right here and interacted with a very large group of 400 illegal migrants who crossed into the united states in a single clip. these migrants tell us they are organized and gathered by their human smugglers in mexico and then at various times throughout the day and week pushed over into the united states in clusters. we talked to migrants from iran, yemen, china, india, moritania and beyond. we re talking border patrol agents, one or two agents see these groups of hundreds approaching, they brace for them and then once the illegal groups cross, border patrol tries to find the resources to process the illegal migrants. just outside of the san diego metropolitan a fresh group of migrants who illegally crossed freely into the united states. now these overwhelmed border patrol agents have to process every one of them. as those migrants wait, they sit in the scorching desert sun for hours. many of the migrants who illegally cross tell us they are taking one, if not many flights into mexico and then they meet their human smugglers who guide them into the u.s. i spoke to one man from india who didn t want his face on camera. he says his passport was taken in mexico, pay to get it back before coming into the united states. president biden issued an order last week saying that you are not eligible for asylum anymore because you crossed illegally. how does that make you feel? you just tell me i didn t know this news. i don t have a phone there. you just tell me and it is a dilemma. the most simple observation you can make here, dana and bill, at the united states border this is a well-oiled machine. human smugglers are abusing the united states. they are abusing our border patrol agents, and they are pushing over hundreds of migrants in a single day sometimes. these migrants tell us they are paying upwards of $10,000 plus to human smugglers. the cartels and human smugglers are being enriched off our united states southern border. dana and bill. dana: thank you for the report as your day gets underway as the sun comes up. [shouting] you are the stupid one. why would you come in here? bill: new york city anti-israel protests turning ugly in town. how police responded as groups ta targeted a memorial to victims of october 7th. this is now public, watch half a world away. [gunfire] dana: you will want to see this. harrowing new footage showing israeli forces rescuing four hostages held by hamas. bill: more bad news for the president. why a top pollster is saying it might be time for him to drop out entirely. 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[chanting] dana: chaos engulfing new york city. anti-israel protestors take to the streets in a day of rage sending off smoke bombs and flares and waving flags of hamas. bill: the violence also spilling into a subway station. the protestors glorifying the terror attack that killed 364 concert-goers alone marking it, they say, in lower manhattan as a great triumph. one word summed up. inhuman. bryan llenas has the fallout in new york with us as well today. good morning. bill and dana good morning. this anti-israel protest began here in union square in manhattan before shifting further downtown to wall street where these protestors were chanting outside of that exhibit meant to remember and honor the lives of the 364 who were murdered by hamas on october 7th at the nova music festival. protestors lit flares and smoke bombs and waved palestinian flags but the flags of hamas and hezbollah terrorist organizations. outside of the exhibit protestors chanted israel go to hell and long live the intifada. largely seen as a call for violence against israelis and jews. listen for yourself. long live the intifada. [chanting] israel, go to hell. [cheers and applause] [more chanting] bill: you could hear them cheering there as well. protestors clashed with officers scuffling over the barricades set up outside. they call it vicious targeting. mike lawlor called it disgusting. the day of rage started in union square protestors clashing with nypd officers and pro-israel supporters who showed up to counter them and the mob unfurled a banner that read long live october 7th. the most deadly attack in israel s history that killed 1200 people. holding up a banner that says long live september 11th. new york city subway in union square saw defacing on the trains with graffiti. officers in riot gear were called and inside subway cars riding inside along these protestors. through all that video, through all of those clashes, six summons were given out. three for those who didn t pay the subway and three for unknown reasons. remarkable restraint by the nypd given what we saw. bill: that means they ll be back. bryan llenas in lower manhattan. dana: he posted this. biden hit a new all time low in approval. 37.4% at 5:38 yesterday. dropping out would be a big risk but some threshold below which continuing to run is a bigger risk. are we there yet? i don t know but it is more than fair to ask. some argue biden s behavior in public is raising concerns over his age where last night he appears to freeze. dana: we ll run it in full so you can see it there. here with his reaction deputy chief of staff karl rove. your reaction. painful, really painful to watch. he also mangled his teleprompter remarks. he is old. he is really old. and nothing between now and the 146 days from now when we vote, finish voting is going to change, i suspect. bill: there appears to be this confluence of opinions and ideas at the same time, right? you have the nate silver thing that dana just read. you have atlantic magazine saying 81 he is too old to run for president. either one of those men are right wing crazies. you have to video you just played and overwhelmingly americans are against the whole student loan bail-out. that s four for four in one day. add a fifth one. he has a record disapproval rating on his job performance of any modern president and so yeah, this is not good news for him. look, it is late but remember, all the delegates to the democratic national convention have largely been selected. people who were vetted by and named by the biden team. so they are more traditional democrats. this won t be a convention nominated dominated by bernie b b bros. he said i have a lot of things on my plate. the world with big challenges, i focus my attention on that and leave it up to the convention who the nominee is. the maneuvering and ratings for the chicago convention would be off the charts. nobody would get the nomination on the first ballot which means on the second ballot the super delegates, house of lords of the democratic party could begin to vote. nominate somebody and america would want to find out who that person is and spend a lot of time the end of august deciding. it could be something new and fresh puts the democrats ahead and on their way to victory. we don t know but look, that was painful last night and nothing will change between now and november. dana: i was talking to bill about this before our show. and because you were there in the white house and many people have worked in white houses. we were there. one thing i remember learning is that when the rubber hits the road, there is only one person in our country who can make a decision, if necessary, to protect the country. and they have to be able to make that decision in a split second based on principle, knowledge gathering. you can t defer to aides when a big decision like protecting the country would come to be. i hesitate because i do respect the presidency. i respect the president of the united states. i respect the office. i respect my elders but i look at this and i think how could anyone feel confident? the white house wants to say these are selective videos, cherry picking. that isn t the case. it is happening all the time, much more regularly. i think the seriousness of this really does need to be stated. in some ways you can make fun and have funny memes. bill: it is a singular decision. dana: the seriousness here that is overwhelming right now. it speaks to the selfishness of joe biden and the biden family. does jill biden, his wife, think history will treat him well? does his sister, valerie, who played a big role in his campaigns since he ran for county council, does she think this will get a good mark in history? let s say he wins, which the more that people see of him, the less likely that is. let s say he wins. is if next four years going to see a renewed and vibrant and on top of it joe biden? no, i don t think so. and the country is not well served. we have 336 million people. is this the best that we can do for the most important job on the face of the planet? i don t think democrats have asked themselves that question, otherwise they would certainly be answering no, we the democrats can do better is what i think they would say. bill: we wanted to talk to you about nevada. save it for another day. breaking news coming up. dana, coming up. dana: we talk more about politics on the perino on politics podcast. you can catch it now. bill: the update from wilmington. hunter biden departed at 9:21 a.m. when we were speaking with carl about 5 1/2, six minutes ago. biden will have to be back in court for the verdict. he will not come back for any notes from the jury, hum. in new york trump had to be there any time the notes were read back. once the jurors indicate they have a verdict it will be 15 to 30 minutes before court gets back in session. basically however long it takes for hunter to get back there. that s the note that we have from wilmington on behalf of our producers working that story. we re on it. could come any moment. 9:28 in new york. let s get to this. today one of the most important front lines is in taiwan where brave and inspiring people build a future of freedom in the shadow of china s growing and menacing authoritarian power. bill: what comes of this? 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[music playing] dana: welcome back. 15 minutes ago hunter biden left the courtroom because the jury is deliberating and he does not have to stay in the building while they do that. we re awaiting this verdict in his federal gun trial today. it could happen today if the jury sends back a note to the judge that says we re ready to go it could take 30 to 15 minutes to be organized. hunter biden has to be back in court for that particular piece. right now he is not in the building. bill: from delaware we move to this. keep an eye on it leaving nothing to chance over one of the more contested areas of the world. the u.s. military said to be unveiling a so-called hell scape strategy if china were to invade taiwan. it calls for the use of thousands of drones. republican senator dan sullivan just got back from a trip to southeast asia and with us in person. good morning to you. you meet with taiwan s president and others. admiral, commander, i will turn the taiwan strait into an unmanned hell scape. i can make their lives utterly miserable for a month that buys me the time for the rest of everything. you want to flush that out? i m a big fan of the admiral. he started in the job and aggressive and i like his aggressiveness. i was over there meeting with the taiwanese leadership. we moved over to singapore to meet with allies that we have in the region. here is the challenge. our ship building capacity is in a crisis in the u.s. navy is dramatically shrinking. the admiral, a great plan, but we don t have the navy to execute that at all. the biden navy, let me give you some of the numbers, has gone from 293 ships to 280 ships by 2027 that s when xi says he wants to be ready for an invasion of taiwan. meanwhile, china s ship building will go to over 400 ships by 2027. we re being outmatched in a huge way. i know the admiral is very concerned about that. i ve spoken to him. dana: you laid out these numbers here. people can see the vast amount. why is it so important for us to have ships like this? that might sound like a simple question but we re in the department of asking dumb questions. is answer is obviously what it is but i want to hear you explain to the american people why does this matter? this matters hugely with regard to the our interests in the south china satisfy. the entire u.s. navy that is shrinking dramatically. our main adversary, china, is going through the biggest peacetime build-up of the military in history. this is what happens when you have an aggressive dictator who sees an opportunity. our weakness ising the secretary of the navy is not focused on ship building nor is the biden administration or war fighting. this secretary of the navy is more in climate change, if you can believe that, than he does on war fighting and ship building. when you show this kind of weakness with an adversary, it invites chaos. we re seeing that all over the world. bill: if trump were to win in november how would it change? we re heading back to d.c. in the next hour and marking up the defense authorization act. a bunch of us, bipartisan group of senators have major amendments to try to fix our ship building. i think this would be a great initiative. a number of us are talking about this already with members we think of the incoming trump administration, hopefully president trump wins in november. this would be a very important initiative that i think is tailor made for president trump. think about this. in terms of republicans, whether it s teddy roosevelt with his great white fleet, reagan who built a 600-ship navy. this exactly what republicans do. peace through strength. bill: when we went to the arctic a couple of months ago is ice breakers. putin had 54. some nuclear powered. almost all are weaponized. bill: we have two and one is broken in dry dock. we re overmatched in so many parts of the world. the arctic is my home. that s alaska. but the russians and chinese in terms of naval assets are overmatching us all over the world. we have to fix it. we ve done this before. we know how to build ships. we know how to build a military. right now with this administration, every year president biden has put forward a budget that shrinks the army, shrinks the navy and marine corps. that is the wrong message to be sending our enemies. bill: seems like an issue that goes under the radar. dana: if republicans win more seats in the senate you could have two additional veterans who are then maybe more military minded and can help you get it across the finish line. we have great candidates and we ll get back with peace through strength when president trump takes the white house and the republicans take a senate. bill: we re watching the jury deliberations in wilmington, delaware. the hunter biden gun trial. they re deliberating. i guess you could say they are in hour number two with one hour yesterday under their belt. more on that could get a verdict any moment. stay tuned. apple taking a powerful stance in the a.i. space. the after shock could have a lasting impact on the tech world and the phone that you are holding in your hand right now. dad is a legend. and his legendary moves might be passed down to you. ancestrydna can show you which traits were inherited, where they came from, and who he shares them with. but get movin , this sale is only for a limited time. they get it. they know how it works. more importantly, it works for them. i don t have any anxiety about money anymore. i don t have to worry about a mortgage payment every month. it allowed me to live in my home and not have to make payments. linda, dinah, joanne, very different people. but they do have a couple things in common. they love their home, and they know their stuff. they all talked about the counseling they got, so they knew how a reverse mortgage worked. and how it could be a real financial solution for their retirement. if you re 62 or older and own your home, find out how you could access your home s equity to give you cash now, and when you need it in the future. a reverse mortgage could put more money in your pocket by eliminating your monthly mortgage payments, paying off higher-interest credit cards and covering medical costs. a person like me needed to get a reverse mortgage it changed my life, it was the best thing i ve ever done. really? 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okay. roll it. this is a president if you watch him every day and pay attention to his record and what he has done, you will see exactly how how how focused he has been on the american people and historic his actions have been. i m not even going to truly, truly really, you know, take the premise of your question. i think it is incredibly insulting. bill: we missed the part before she just hung up. i don t entirely blame her. i don t think she has been very good at her job but it is probably not her fault. when she is doing what she is supposed to do, kind of answer questions about policy, she is very articulate and sounds well. when she gets questions, she gets frustrated because the administration doesn t want to answer those questions. so they send her out there and say whatever you do, don t answer the questions. the only thing you can do is go to the press and say how dare you ask that question. some form of that is every answer when they try to ask her things she doesn t want to hear. i can t believe you are asking me this or hangs up. or says i ve already spoken to that and answered that questions. no you haven t. you have 20 questions on the same subject. members of the white house press corps haven t gotten a satisfactory answer. bill: would you concede she has a tough job? dana: oh my gosh, a very, very tough job and knowing the policy is important. one of the problems for them they have bad facts. if you have good facts, you can have better communication. it is not necessarily that they have to message it better. it is that they have a huge border problem, 86% of people think he is too old to run for re-election. she says she can run circles around him at the white house and he is frozen in time and i think that people are like we don t actually feel a connection with her because she seems like she is condescending to people because i do think she is trying to be protective of him and cares about the president very much but the press corps, i think, deserves better. they talk about how transparent he is with the press? he doesn t do the interviews. the ones he does, the long one with time magazine he says that yeah, he has aged and doesn t remember thing. mixes up south africa with russia and it is a tough job but they make it harder. bill: thank you kennedy and tom and dana. dana: thank you for letting me have a lecture. bill: want to get to this right now. there is amazing video that we want to share with you. this is about as dramatic as it gets. these are idf soldiers going into a part of gaza trying to rescue israeli hostages. we ll play the rest of it for you in a moment after the break. a jury right now deciding the fate of the first son, hunter biden, we ll bring you the verdict as soon as it happens. we re on verdict watch on america s newsroom. back in a moment as we continue right after this. -unnecessary action hero . the nemesis. -it appears that despite my sinister efforts, employees are still managing their own hr and payroll. why would you think mere humans deserve to do their own payroll? 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a lot of folks wonder why you pushed this down the throats of nursing homes and then took so long six weeks to reverse it? okay. the premise of your question is wrong and if you actually read what has been found by the investigations, it says the opposite. the department of justice found no wrongdoing and investigation said explicitly we followed the federal guidance. cms and cdc did very extensive instructive guidance and the investigations say new york followed the federal guidances. why not make it a recommendation instead of a mandate? we followed the federal guidance. that would be a question for the federal government. bill: we ll see when they go behind closed doors how this goes. we ll get a transcript of the interview at some point and let you know what his position is now. the former governor of new york on the hill. all right, dana. what s happening? dana: the american dream could be yours but a pretty penny. millions of potential home buyers are grappling with sky high mortgage rates and low inventory. there are no houses to buy. the biden administration says their luck will turn, it will take another four years. edward lawrence is live outside of the federal reserve. hi, edward. they say they need more time on this. the american dream out of reach for many folks because of the cost of a mortgage as well as the cost of a home. the price of a 30 year fixed under 7%. 87% of mortgages in the united states are under 6% and 60% of those mortgages are under 4% in the united states. chief economist for the national association of realtors said those people are sitting on homes, limiting supply and keeping prices higher and doesn t help the average home sale price in the first quarter of this year $513,000, up 29% from when president biden first took office. those who have properties, they are doing well. home prices high. those who want to participate, first-time buyers are struggling. we have this social divide. hard to jump to the next level, which is the reason why it s critical that we have more supply in the future years. they believe we need 50% more supply of homes on the market. new regulations from the biden administration announced last month adds $30,000 in the cost of the home. it all comes back to supply and demand. shortage in homes keeping prices higher as well as the cost of a mortgage. back to you, the american dream is out of reach for many. dana: 30,000 more? that s a lot. thank you, edward. yeah. dana: fox news alert. day two of jury deliberation is underway right now in hunter biden s criminal