involved in the investigation. as of about 90 minutes ago, investigators legitimately had no idea why stephen paddock committed mass murder. he did not seem religious. he didn t seem political. that s true. the crime still makes no sense at all to the people looking into it. and that may be the scariest part of all. now, all of that could change at any minute, of course. as we said, we are waiting for investigators to begin that news conference in las vegas. it is possible they will reveal new evidence then. we will go to that, obviously, when it begins. a few minutes ago we received the very first statement from the shooter s girlfriend recently arrived back in the u.s. from abroad. we will play that for you in just a minute. in the meantime though we want to show you a new tape we have received. it doesn t answer why this happened, but it does provide some context for what it was likes a it was happening. here is footage from police body cams taken on sunday night. [gunfire] [rapid gunfire. those, that information associated with that. okay? and then subsequently i will return to the podium, assist with some q and a, and then commissioner sislac is available if you have any questions of the commissioner and obviously senator dean heller who wished to address the audience, also. so, president trump, i think he was in town today. [laughter] yes, he was in town. and the reason why i bring up president trump has nothing to do, in fact, with president trump. but to do with the police department. there was some concern because of his visit that investigations associated with this case would be delayed or hindered. and i m here to assure you none of that occurred. there was a separation of personnel associated with first responders of the harvest festival event that took the opportunity to meet with mr. trump, and he had the opportunity to congratulate them for their heroic acts. investigators are directly related to this investigation both on my department and the fbi were not part of that. so, i want everybody assured there was no hinderance in continuance of the investigation. return of property. there is a lot of questions going on with that. and i wish i could provide you answers with that. we will try to post on the website as soon as we can, advise victims when they can receive their personal property. we are still evaluating the crime scene. until that completes, the property phase will not occur. so, the best of my understanding of where we are at, we are looking at four to five days. so, i know that sounds troublesome, but it s important that we dot the i s and cross the t s as far as the evidentiary and possible prosecution in the future. injuries. injury numbers that we are using today 489. of that 489, 317 have been discharged from the hospital. so the question is, sheriff, you provided several different numbers associated with that all the way up to 527. now, you got to imagine we re dispersed across several hospitals, we re relying on internal communication of the hospitals to provide us accurate numbers. so that s everchanging. initially hospitals received patients outside of this event. quite often or hopefully not quite often but often some of those patients were double counted or they were misconstrued as event injuries versus other injuries such as car accidents. so today i m comfort be in saying the injured number is 489. deaths still remain at 59. i had told you 59 before. plus one being the suspect. that changed. today it s 58 plus one, the suspect 59. and it s the same reason that occurred before as i explained. so i hope you understand that. nobody wants that number to go up and by the grace of god it went down. so, that s a good night. so, today i will provide you some updates on our investigation of the mass shooting sunday night at route 91. more than 100 investigators have spent the last 72 hours combing through the the life of 64-year-old stephen paddock to produce a profile of someone i will call disturbed and dangerous. what we know is stephen paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo and living a secret life. much of which will never be fully understood. he meticulously planned on the worst domestic attack in the united states history. as many of already reported paddock rented a room at the ogden hotel in la downtown las vegas. this has been confirmed. reasons that ran through paddock s mind was unknown. but it was directly during the same time as life is beautiful. we have received, recovered evidence from that location. we don t know if it is evidence, but we have recovered items and video evidence. i m using the wrong term. evidence is not the term. we have recovered video from there to review mr. paddock s actions while he was there. now, it s important for you to understand. this was not the the rooms were not rented by the ogden. it was done through air b and b, by a private owner known to the ogden. so we have very great cooperation from the owners of life is beautiful and the ogden and they are in full cooperation. okay. we have spoken many people have contacted stephen paddock at hotels and places he frequented, we still have more interviews to conduct. since monday, there have been many questions for us to release a time line and today we have one. i want to point out the information previously reported on the time of the first shot was based on a cad report. that s our computer aided dispatch. that s what we do for calls for service. so, that report is dependent on who you know, a particular person calling n that time stamp. but what we have done through the review of body warn cameras, we were able to pull it back to previously from 10:08 to 10:05. so, carlos i m going to give you a chance to review that, take photographs of it and i will walk you through each time line. so at 10:05 first shot fired by the suspect. this was seen on closed circuit television from the concert venue. 10:12, first two officers arrived on the 31st floor and announced that gunfire is coming from directly above them. 10:15, the last shots are fired from the suspect per body worn camera. so, if you are looking at the math, 10 minutes. 10:17 the first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor. 10:18, security officer tells the officers he was shot and gives the exact location of the suspect s room. now, you notice a minute delta there before they broadcasted it, obviously they were in a conversation with the security guard immediately upon them exiting the elevators. between 10:26 and 10:30, 8 additional officers arrived on the 32nd floor and began to move systematically down the hallway. clearing each room and looking for any injured people. they moved this way because no longer hear the gunfire of the active shooter situation. 10:55, 8 officers arrive at the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway near the suspect s room. can you imagine the doorway of the hotel room, this stairwell and this door access is approximately two to three feet away. 11:20 the first breach was set off and officers entered the suspect s room. they observed the suspect down on the ground and also saw a second door that could not be accessed from their position. so it s a suite. we have you have a main area of the suite, which is the living room, kitchen, dinette area and then on opposite ends of that is two bedrooms. i m sorry, where did i leave off? somebody yell it out. 11:20. okay. so if do you the math on that, all the way up to 11 from 10:05, we are looking at 75 minutes. young lady here in the front with the red phone had you mentioned 72 minutes. so now you see where those minutes came from. okay? at 11:it 7 the second breach was set off allowing officers to access the second room and no one else was located within the hotel room. okay. these are following extenuating circumstances as to why it appeared that there was some undue delay in reaching the suspects. the officers in the first strike team reached the 32nd floor within 12 minutes, which is phenomenal of the first shot being fired. when the officers arrived and confirmed the location of the suspect s room, the gunfire had stopped. in accordance with their training, officers received the master key card from the injured security guard and began to systematically clear each hotel room. so imagine the elevator bank in the center, 150 feet down on a triplex hotel was the suspect s room. so there are several rooms along the way because no firing was occurring, they could not hear additional firing. they believed it was important to evacuate in case the suspect was barricaded. while the first strike team did this the second team made of two canine personnel a swat officer and patrol officers navigated stairs carrying large bag with tack nickel equipment and holding rifles in order to have a closer position to the suspect s room. that is within that stairwell and that doorway adjacent to the room i described previously. they attempted to secure the front doorway of the suspect s room. but, as they entered into the hallway, they could see the room service card and readily apparent on the room service card were cameras. so they pulled back and they waited for the approach of a full swat team. it was not undue. it was purposeful heard by the suspect at this point. eventually a plan was formulated. entry was made. suspect was seen laying on the ground. they encountered a closed bedroom door which was locked and they breached that door and found additionally no suspects. another investigative issue was cameras. questions was presented about cameras and whether they were recording. we determined none of the cameras were recording. there was two cameras on the room service card out in the hallway. there was one on the peephole of the front door and additionally there was baby monitor camera placed in the general family area of the hotel room. none of them were being recorded. one thing i left out was the initial approach and they looked out in the hallway. when they observed the cameras on the room service cart, it was obviously there was several rounds discharged through the door, and through the blast of the bullets through the door, you could actually see a weapon through those openings in the door but no suspect was seen. now, those rounds were the rounds he put through the door in order to shoot at the security guard. okay. the other thing i wanted to update you on is the search warrant of the suspect s vehicle located at the mandalay bay. i have presented that there was ammonium nitrate recovered but there were several cases within the car that had not been searched yet at the last briefing i provided with you. so, within those cases there was 10 one-pound containers of tanner right and approximately 1600 rounds of ammunition. so carlos, can you put up the numbers? so tip line. this is an ongoing investigation we can never not have enough information because we are continuing to run down leads and it s important for us to get all the information we can on mr. paddock. because right now we are trying to prove his intent or understand his intent and history associated with this and whether or not he has any accomplices. so, we ask people to still call in to 311. if you are out of state 702-828-3111. and fbi call 1-800-call-fbi. that is investigative and also electronic media. if you are able to call them, they will provide you the ability to download that online into their system. so at this point, i will provide you special agent in charge aaron roust. he will walk you through some of the investigative steps we have accomplished jointly and where we are at in that total investigation. subsequent to that i will come back to this podium for any q and a and then we will have commissioner sisilak and senator dean heller make comment. thank you. thank you, sheriff. my name is aaron roust i m special agent in charge for the special division of the fbi. before i begin, i just want to comment that on behalf of all of the fbi, specifically the division. our sympathy goes out to all of the families affected by this tragedy. this is our community. it s our community, too. we live here. and we will get through this together the partnership has a great partnership with the metropolitan police department as well as our other state and local officials. to say this investigation will take a while is not surprising there is a lot of information that s going to change over time as we determine more facts. but this is what i can tell you. our resolve is firm. we will get to the bottom of this no matter how long it takes. the fbi has deployed over 100 personnel from across the nation to assist the las vegas division in this investigation. this includes victim witness assistance. counselors, evidence technicians and technical assets. not to mention additional agents to help cover leads. the information that the public provides us is going to help us solve this. but we must focus on facts. we cannot give in to conjecture and we cannot respond to every little twitter feed that may indicate a theory we need to focus on the facts. you need us to be right. you expect us to be right and we want to be right. there are going to be questions. i m sure you are going to have questions about some people that we have been talking to. maybe people outside of the united states the fundamental trust of the american people and fbi is based upon our discretion and how good would that discretion be if we were to provide information that they provided to us in confidence? this is about informing on an investigation. this is about resolving an investigation. so specifics regarding any individual contact cannot be answered. you need us, you trust us. and the way we have that trust is by using good discretion about what we share. additionally, we have multiple leads all across the united states and all across the world for our legal attaches determining the whereabouts and travel patterns of all the people involved in this investigation. and that list grows. a lot of those leads will go absolutely nowhere but we have to follow them and that s going to take some time. patience is going to be required of all of us. i know we have the patience of this police department because we have great partnership and we are all interested in the same thing, resolving this issue fairly and factually. with that, i will turn it back over to sheriff lombardo. okay. happy to answer questions. and, please provide some decorum. sheriff. yes, sir. we know that you have an opportunity to speak to marilou danley. we know you have director mccabe and access to his computers, his cell phones and social and while you are not yet able to tell us exactly, specifically what you have found, let me ask a general question. okay. through all of that information that you have so far arrived at, is there anything that gives you a sense as to what was going on with this man, with the motive. without saying what it is. are you seeing anything that gives you a direction or any kind of an answer to that question? globally, no. i m sorry to report me personally. but i m not privy to the subsequent interviews that were conducted today. the fbi is not ready to disclose for public consumption what occurred in those interviews as of yet. sorry for that answer. yes, sir. ms. danley said to her attorney during the course of her time with the suspect that she never saw or heard anything that suggested that he would carry out an acted like this. you also said that you are looking for other people associated with him. we have information specifically that there is a woman that you are looking for to talk to that may have been associated with the suspect is that true? are you giving me a chance to answer? [laughter] can you start from the beginning? sorry. questions about ms. danley her comments to the lawyer. i think anyone put in her situation would probably answer the same way. like i said, we are not privy to investigative leads that were obtained today. mr. rouse could probably give you better clarification of that i haven t been briefed by the fbi on that interview as of yet. what was the other question? you said you are still trying to figure out whether he had an accomplice. we are obviously going through that it s troublesome this individual was able to move this amount of gear into a hotel room unassisted it s troublesome for the amount of stuff that he had at both residents unassisted. so, there is people that know this individual. there are people that could help us understand this individual. interestingly enough, i read a periodical earlier today and it was from an fbi profiler that didn t understand this individual usually there is a telltale sign associated with this kind of actions, reclusive, a elizabet plethora of things associated. what could be more beneficial than find people associated with him either through friendship or accomplice and for us to determine that. thank you. sheriff,. yes, sir. two questions, sheriff. first, you mentioned in your comments he had a secret life. what do you mean by that? most of us i don t. i don t live through social media. okay? there is a lot of us that live through social media in today s world. there is a lot of people that are interactive in the public there is a lot of people that have work marital. this individual is retired. we found out he has real estate investments. relationship wise it s very hard to determine what has occurred in his life in the last decade or. so we do know that he has an ex-wife. she didn t lead us to any knowledge. we know that everybody knows we talked to his brother. no knowledge was obtained. anything that would indicate this individual s trigger points and would cause him to do such harm, we haven t understood yet. i think it s important to get to there. and you have to be patient with us. because this premeditation of this room, this is well thought out don t you think the concealment of his life and history was thought out. it s incumbent upon us as professionals to figure that out. and besides what he did that horrific act, are there any other signs of a mental breakdown? i m not aware i personally have not been breached on some of his personal background. i m leaving that to the experts. and i haven t been updated on that yet. it s going to be frustrating. you have got to remember, and i have said it 100 times. this is an investigation and we can t be delayed by providing information that would delay our information or cause an individual to go underground. you know all of that everybody sitting before me knows that. and i just need to you stand it. okay? it s important for you to convey to the public we re doing everything that we are possibly can do to bring this to fruition. and i think we are doing that, and i ask you for your patience. sheriff, would you confirm through the course of your investigation you discovered that, perhaps, might have been targeting another concert a week before the concert? i have mentioned that he had obtained a room at the obligor again which is located in downtown at the time that life is beautiful was being conducted. was doing presurveillance? we don t know yet. this is all conjecture at this point. that s why it is important for us to have boots on the ground getting the answers. the stairwell, there is information out there that the door to the stairwell, the 32nd floor was barricaded and possibly welded shut. can you confirm whether that door was welded shut? it was not welded shut but it was secured. sheriff, have you determined whether he had visitors in his room while he was at the hotel? no. not as of yet, no. as of yet, no. we haven t been able to determine whether there was anybody else in that room besides him. handwriting in the card handn the car does that lead to you believe he might have been planning a bigger attack. it remained in the car for some reason. is there how many rounds he fired and estimate how many rounds did he fire? no. you know what? i will give you my personal preview, that will come out in the public space. the rounds haven t been counted yet. there is a lot of evidentiary recovery. prior to the recovery of the rounds but there was well in excess of thousands of rounds in the room. there was a yellow, what appeared to be a yellow note. can you tell us anything about that? no, i don t. i can t recall. a suicide note. no. it was not a suicide note. i m comfortable in saying thatting. sheriff, where is marilou danley now and is she still a person of interest? okay. everything to do with marilou danley i will have special agent ralph address that if you have any questions outside of that, we can circle back on that. stefanie? i have questions billion marilou danley. do you want to know how i know her name? she was eating lunch next to me today and introduced herself. she is from australia. sheriff, do you know what very good question. no, i do not know this is my assumption. only my assumption. and nobody has been able to dispel my assumption as of today. i believe because of his counter measures placed in the peephole and hallway he observed the security guard and he was in fear that he was about to be breached. so he was doing everything possible to figure out how he could escape at that point. his concern was personal concern versus what was occurring down below him. is there a time when he shot himself? i don t know the answer to that question. that s a question that s been presented and we haven t been able through the internal investigation of that to pinpoint exactly if it was heard when he shot himself or did it occur in close proximity of entry? because as you imagine when they breached the door they used explosive devices so did it occur in close proximity to that explosive device and we lost it in the audible or occurred when we were trying to set up our team in the hallway? do you know when the security guard was separated from the other officers? it was my understanding before he had gotten separated that was inaccurate. what had happened was he was conducting a an investigation on commerce calling. in he was personally attempting to locate what was occurring. he happened upon that doorway because it was ajar which keyed his interest. our officers were in close proximity. by the time line there, as soon as they came out of the doorway of the elevator he was there. it happened in a matter of seconds. hold on, let me finish. there was a note. was there content? what note, the yellow paper? yes. i don t know. i don t know i did a cursory review of the room, but i haven t been provided that information. i know it was not a suicide note. saw the security guard approaching that might have caused him to stop shooting. if he shouldn t seen the security guard approaching, do you believe the shooting would have continued? no. i m comfort be in saying no. here s why. because the same action of the security guard would have occurred with our patrol officer that was approaching up there. we had knowledge he was between 31 and 32. remember before we said 29 to 32. subsequently through that time culled down to 31 to 32. a nonable customer prior military said it was occurring directly above him. subsequently the officers were doing their own checks. he was not aware of what that customer had said. and they were conducting he was trying to pinpoint it our officers had learned because they ha security guard attached to them. they had recent information the individual was on 32. so they would have encountered him shortly in that time line maybe 60 seconds. i would assume the same thing would have occurred. is there a question about when he stopped firing and why? you already said he may have scene security guards or your own personnel shortly thereafter. based on the assessment, the weapon that was there that he was using, had access to were any of these weapons jammed or inoperable or could very continued to fire it without any problems if he had not seen and the cameras that were there coming his way. he could have continued firing. some of them were jammed but he could have continued firing. you said some were jammed. yes. how many. i don t know the number. he had plenty of fire power available. do we have any idea, again. if you recall, there was 23 weapons recovered jammed and others within reach. last question weapons he was using [inaudible] this guy had 300 ground and 800-yard kill zone. how many of those weapons that he was using, firing, had advanced optics on them? anything like that? just from my visual vigil of the crime scene three had scopes. most of them did not have scopes. from what i know of firearms, it appeared to be hunting scope not marks manship scopes. sheriff, was the security guard armed and can you talk about his bravery. i don t know if he was armed. i don t know the security profile at the mandalay bay. i know quite often some security officers are armed. some aren t. some supervisors. i don t know the profile at the mandalay bay personally. so i don t know if he was armed. but his bravery was amazing because he remained with our officers and provided could pause to access the door and actually helped them continual to clear rooms until our officer demanded that he go seek medical attention. while injured? yes. let him ask the question. gambling. we re aware he was gambling. for hours? i don t know the time line but we are aware he was gambling. sheriff, atf agents, agent snyder so let me provide some clarification because it will answer one of the other questions on accomplice. when we did see he was gambling, we did not see another individual that appeared to be companion. cbs news, bought weapons in october of 2016. bought 33 rifles. are you looking into the possibility that there may have been some kind of a mental issue, something that happened in october of 2016 that compelled him to purchase those weapons? yes. you? yes. if there what did you uncover? i haven t. i don t have any information. i wish i can provide you but i don t have it because we keyed on that, too, sir. after he saw the security guard that his concern became himself. did you see any evidence that he planned to survive this or planned to escape. yes. what was it. i can t tell you. security guard officers coming up positively identify his location and. i m sorry, start over. security guard or your officers arriving positively identified the gunman s location first? it was the security guard. the officer had knowledge that it was occurring on the 32nd floor. they assumed it was at the end of the hallway because the person that had called in said it was occurring directly above him. so they had assumption proximity of the room. the security guard had confirmed it prior to the arrival. can you tell the detail of the imagination tuesday of the gunfire that he encountered when he was spotted? yeah. my personal observation well over 200 rounds straight in the hallway. so it s amazing that that security guard didn t sustain additional injury. you commented you believed he had a plan or some kind of a plan for surviving this particular incident? what have you determined given you a clue. a different way to answer the same question. and i can t answer that for you. [laughter] did the officers fire back at all? no. no. sheriff, you mentioned accomplices. we have talked previous previously about marilou danley as a person of interest. are there any other persons of interest in this investigation? well, is there any other? no. concrete, no. we are looking at it this way, ken. is there another one? we are determining to find out if there was it s important not to close this case until we run down everything. should we ask the look at this. you look at the weapon obtaining, the different amounts of tannerite available. do you think this was all accomplished on his own? self-value, face value, you got to make the assumption he had to have some help at system point. we want to ensure that s the answer. maybe is he a super guy. maybe super hero not a hero, but a super i won t use the word. maybe he is, you know, super yahoo that was working out all of this on his own. but, it would be hard for me to believe that. and do we need to ask here s the reason why. put one in one together. two and two together. another residence in reno with several firearms, okay. electronics and severing associated with. large amounts of ammo. a place in mesquite, we know he had a girlfriend. do you think this is all self-face being individuals are just without talking to somebody sequestered amongst themselves? i mean, come on, folks, these type of investigations have been occurring in the last three years and we have to evaluate that so hold on, i m done, okay? what i want you to do is give aaron rouse an opportunity to talk about marilou. he may not have anything for you. i think it s fair for you to ask him and then i would like to get to senator heller and commissioner sislak. the car was [inaudible] i m sorry. was the car planned for him don t ask me to make assumptions. please. ken? we were asking where is marilou danley now and is she still a person of interest in this investigation? as i mentioned in my comments, you know, people rely on us for our discretion. if someone is assisting us in an investigation, if they are being cooperative, that is between us and them giving away a location of a citizen or somebody that is cooperating with us is not in our best interest. it s not in that person s best interest. so that s a matter of their business. we are not going to comment on that. she is not in federal custody. we have no one in custody. thank you. if i could ask the same question, without saying anything specific, after seeing his computer, after speaking to marilou, do you have any direction, any sense as to what may have been the motive. anything? as i mentioned in my earlier remarks, we like to deal in facts. so theories are great and everyone can have a theory but i need to deal with facts. the sheriff needs to deal with facts. we are reliant on that to do our jobs. that s what we are going to focus on. there are a number of working theories out there. we will continue to use those but we are not going to publicize them because that s not fair to anyone. we don t want to taint anyone unfairly. we want to make sure that what we have is accurate. you want us to be accurate. that s what you expect of u us. domestic terrorist? we have found no evidence to this point to indicates terrorism. but this is an ongoing investigation. we are going to continue to look at all avenues. we are not closing down any doors. the best way to do an investigation, the sheriff will tell you this, i will tell you this, is that you don t go in with assumptions. he is not going to make assumptions as he just said. i m not going to make assumptions. we are going in there following the facts. the facts will always lead to you your conclusion. we hope, very much so, to be able to provide concrete information to the public about why this happened. because that s what is on everyone s mind. because to understand the why helps you deal with the tragedy we have all faced and we have all faced it so believe me, we want to know why. okay. i want to take this time to give to say a few words. thank you. i m going to say some things that the sheriff didn t say. when you see these men and women in these uniforms and the men and women don t wear uniforms but have lapel pins, i noticed, have you got to tell them thank you. i have dealt with these folks and been working with them for the last three days. they are working on zero sleep. i beg of you to show some patience. i m hearing the same question asked three, four, five times in different ways. speculation coming out of this group. these gentlemen deal exclusively in facts. they are not speculating. there is no conjecture here. they are not dealing with theories. they are dealing with facts. their primary purpose and their goal is to conclude this investigation in a professional and accurate manner and i m totally confident that they re going to do that. they are protecting the citizens of clark county and the tourists that are here. they have made the city safe again it is a safe place to come. we encourage that, but i implore you, please, please show some patience and understand they are not going to deal with conjecture and theories coming up on social media. thank you very much. senator. my words and comments are similar to what the commissioner just said and the importance of patience this more risk incident is less than 72 hours old. the reason i come to these brief ever briefings and press conference is to listen to the sheriff and learn bit by bit what happened just a little while ago. what i want to express is my gratitude to the sheriff, the fbi, the atf and everybody keeping us up to date what is going on, briefing my office and myself i also want to express how grateful i am the president of the united states came and expressed his sincere concerns for this community and understanding what this means. i had a rare occasion to be at 30,000 feet with a couple hours of face time with this particular president, and we talked the individuals, the deputies, the first responders and all that and what they were able to achieve in a very short period of time. in my cell phone here, i have numerous pictures of survivors from umc. i expressed and shared those pictures with the president of the united states so he could see. so damage and what had occurred. one in particular was a deputy that was on the second we have heard this story second day on the job. he was there. his father was actually at the event as a spectator when the shooting occurred. got hit in the arm. went in to his chest. his name brady cook. and i shared this story with the president. the president went up to the fifth floor of umc and had an opportunity to talk to this young man and express his sincere gratitude for his strengths. i also showed him a picture of a cell phone that had a bullet, apple phone that had a bullet through it. it was a therapist over at umc that bullet went through her phone and hit her hand. she just had tissue damage. she fixed it herself. went back to umc sand spent hours helping those that had come into the hospital. these stories were important for me to share with the president of the united states as he was coming in to this valley and understand the depth of the issue we had on hand. i also lobbied him on couple issues. i didn t lobby the president because it was important to me. i asked the governor what should i talk to him about? the mayor, what do you want me to talk to the president about. i asked the sheriff what do you want to talk to the president about. it had to do with urban terrorist funds that come out of homeland security and how important it is that las vegas, this strip has the funding necessary to keep not only its citizens safe but also those that are visiting this city it s not enough that we have 2.1 million people that live in this valley. we have 42 million people that come in every year to visit. i want to make sure that las vegas has the funding, terrorism funding necessary to keep us safe, to buy the equipment that they need to be able to monitor and to be able to follow up on the issues that they are faced with on a day-to-day basis. so, my gratitude continues. my gratitude continues from everybody around the country about 15 seconds ago i was sitting behind a cab driver that i used in new york city just sent me a text. we became friends on a ride. but his message was senator, myself, my family and all my drivers want to express our condolences to those touched by the recent weekend shootings. all our best. a cab driver from new york concerned about las vegas valley. so, i am grateful for all my colleagues back in washington, d.c. grateful for the sheriff, the fbi, the atf, all the work that s being done. the healing has begun, but it s been less than 72 hours. we have a long way to go. thank you very much for being here today. all right. that will conclude today s press conference so as a matter of moving forward. tucker: so about a 40-minute press conference out of las vegas. local police, the fbi, some politicians getting before the microphone there fox news trace gallagher has been in vegas since the beginning of all of this and joins us with an update. hey, trace. just a 40-minute astounding news conference, tucker. amazing. the sheriff came out and first said confirmed something we had brought up a couple nights ago that he did, in fact, rent a room at the ogden hotel in downtown, las vegas and it was overlooking the concert venue of life is beautiful. that was the week before the route 91 concert. it goes on to say on top of the ammonium nitrate found in his car valet at mandalay bay they found some 50 pounds of tannerite. we talked to experts around here they said 50 pounds of tannerite exploded with a high powered rifle is enough to take off a healthy chunk of the hotel. unclear what his motives were. we talked about presurveillance with the sheriff. he says he simply does not know. the subject came up about the girlfriend, right? they talked about marilou danley and what her impact was today in the fbi. she was this there for five and a half hours. they gave us very little information saying they are not going to tell anybody about where she is, if she is staying in los angeles because they don t want to ruin her confidence. apparently she is cooperating. but her lawyer came out after five and a half hours with the fbi he came out and he gave a statement saying that she one was cooperating, two, she knows nothing about the attack three she grieves for the victims and family she session that steve paddock was a kind and gentle man. she acknowledged he sent her $100,000. here is her reasoning. while there, he wired me money. she said for me to buy a house for me and my family. i was grateful but honestly i was worried that, first, the unexpected trip home and then the money was a way of breaking up with me. it never occurred to me in any way whatsoever that he was planning violence against anyone. one thing that has not been addressed tucker, no one has asked her, we don t know how the phrasing was whether or not that she knew there were an arsenal of weapons inside the two homes that she lived with him in. we re talking about 47 guns, explosives, and suitcases of ammunition. we still don t know if that s been addressed with her and if she knew anything about that, tucker. tucker: there is an awful lot we don t know, trace. thank you for keeping on top of all of that we appreciate it joining us now is best selling author mark steyn who has been following this as carefully as anybody. mark, are you struck by how little we know about motive? we know a lot about the firearms and the tannerite and all the rest. the girlfriend. why would someone who fits this profile or any profile do something like this? it doesn t seem like we know anything about that. no. as you said at the top of the show, tucker, that s why in the vacuum various conspiracy theories are starting to arise. there are reports that the video found in the room points in a certain direction: the london papers already reporting that piece of yellow paper in the room. if not a suicide note. shared press conference is his choice of this phrase, quote: secret life, unquote. which is not quite the same as saying things that there are lots of things we don t know. he seems to be suggesting that there is this life that this guy was leading that is different from his life as a retired accountant and professional gambler. as i think you noted, a day or two ago, too, tucker. it s actually very unusual in this day and age for a man to have as blank a profile on the internet as this guy has. if he were, for example, a cia or mi-6 agent. they would plot the rudiments of a social media profile out there on the internet just so that it didn t look weirdly blank. whereas this guy s profile looks weirdly blank. i thought the other point the sheriff raised that was interesting was he at this tiptd very close up to the point of saying as far as he was concerned this guy had to have had an accomplice. this thing was very well organized, very well planned right down to requesting and securing the exact hotel room that he wanted actually quite a tricky thing to do in las vegas. from that point of view, the sheriff seemed to be saying that he couldn t raiser would suggest this guy had to have someone out there helping him. plus, the fact that he intended to in other words the stuff we were talking about when non-islamic terrorism happened that some guy just snaps and guns down his high school or guns down a shopping mall. this isn t that there is something more to it going on. tucker: which even makes the motive for it more confusing. if he had no political or religious agenda, why do something like this? very, very striking. really quickly, the briefers today said there was no indication of severe mental illness. we do know he was prescribed psychotropic drugs. is it so crazy to wonder if people s behavior isn t affected by the drugs they take. is that a crazy thing to ask? i think that s true. what i find slightly difficult in this case, tucker is, that a drug could have that effect on him but not impact his ability to function at a very high level. tucker: right. good point. the fact that his girlfriend did not notice any change in him. what might be more relevant is this guy is a professional gambler. in other words, bluffing is what he does with his life. and there have been reports out there that various doctors and so forth have conducted that compulsive gamblers in that sense are expert at concealment and covering up and all the rest of it. and that actually because the efficiency with which he planned this and carried it out is not consistent with someone who has just gone a little screwy because some drugs have had a side effect go wacky on him. what s exactly right to. what end is the question we don t know. mark steyn, thank you for all that. thanks a lot, tucker. details as sparse as they are about stephen paddock. stories on the shooter s race and sex. cnn ran a story today entitled quote how america has accepted the rage of white men. salon.com ran a story entitled america s white man problem after las vegas a familiar script unfolds. vox ran a story called white american man, a bigger domestic terror threat than muslim foreigners. now not one of those outlets of course would ever publish a aanalogous piece. goes too easy on white men after shootings like this. elm rit is a law professor, he thinks that thanks for come on. thanks for having me. tucker: not obvious to me why there is a racial component to this. i don t see that the guy s race is relevant to anything. why is it central to your analysis of this? it s central to the coverage. if we look back how orlando was covered. immediately without any investigation to him he had a motive simply because he was a muslim. we find out later that it was much more complicated that he had identity issues and all these other things. but the media jumps out right away, right? and gives usually white shooters the privilege of acting as an individual, not acting on behalf of a race or group. that doesn t happen to any other people especially muslims or arabs. he even had a 14-year-old tucker: can i say two things? it wasn t that complicated in orlando. he didn t have sexual identity issues. we know that after months of looking at it. he called 911 and said i m doing this on behalf of my religion. it s not about his race. it s about his religion there are muslims from all over the world who don t lookalike share the same race as you know. and so it s not a racial issue to say that an ideology inspires people to do certain things. that s not racial, right? yeah. but the media no, no, you are not right. because what happens is people who are not white, especially if they re arab or muslim automatically have a motivation. i m not talking about what happens after months of investigation. i m talking about what happens in the first 24 to 48 hours when the media covers something. even a 14-year-old kid in texas who brought a clock to school somehow had a motivation, right? and he was arrested and questioned without his parents. and the guy in las vegas with 42 guns and they are searching for a motivation instead of assuming that he has any. the double standard is glaring. it happens all the time in the media especially with arab and muslim americans. tucker: let s be totally honest. since september of 2001, it wasn t that long ago. 89% of all deaths and mass killings have been caused by muslims. it s not an indictment of muslims. that actually is that is not true. tucker: actually, stop, stop, stop. that number is true. and it s not actually. percent of mass shootings in america are committed by white men. we shouldn t indict white culture for that what i m saying do away with terrorism all together. tucker: terrorism is a loaded term. and i would be happy to get to get rid of it. it s nothing more than a racial slur. tucker: that s silly. muslims make up about 1% of the american population. they are not arabs. not pose tunes, not racial groups. make up 1% of the u.s. population. religion gets racialized. religion gets racialized in the way. tucker: only by morons. it s not a race. it s a creed. do you refer to the boston bombers as white? they were from the caucus mountains. they are actually caucasians. tucker: they seem as white as you seem. which is pretty white. you refer to them as muslim. tucker: that s kind of the point, actually. you are making my point. maybe we agree with each other. it s not about the race. it s about the belief. and, of course the tsarnaev brothers i don t even know what their race is i don t care. they acted out of a series of beliefs which are involve tear. these things get conflated socially all the time. tucker: i don t know by whom. by the media. when someone is not a white christian, right, immediately they are adescribed a motivation simply because of their background, whether it be race or religion or whatever. they are avind a motive and that s not true. when you are white, you are able to have the privilege of acting individually just on your behalf. tucker: you just noted. you just saw the chief call him no, i m not. you just saw the chief call him disturbed and dangerous in that long press conference. he didn t call him motivated. where have you immediately. tucker: wait, slow down. did you watch the press conference? they don t know his motivation. this whole show is about what is his motivation. everyone watching longs to understand why this happened? they are search for one they don t have one. that s the point. we are never patient with muslim or arab criminals. we are just not patient with them. tucker: when you call 911 and say i m doing this i m very impatient to know why this guy did. this when you call 911 and say i m opening fire at a gay nightclub on behalf of alla. when you fly planes and say i m doing this on behalf move my religion. we don t need to be patient. they told us why they were doing it. was dylann roof a terrorist to you. was the shooter at planned parenthood a terrorist to you. they told us clearly why they did what they did. the media did not label them terrorists. tucker: i know how are talking about. the term gets thrown around so willie nilly, especially against arabs and muslims. that s the point i m trying to make. tucker: then i m totally happy to do that. i m really bothered by the intellectual laziness you are displaying conflating race and religion. actually, you are not. tucker: they are not the same thing. if you don t want to understand the way people conflate religion or racialize religion that s some other study that you can do. tucker: who are the people? the point i m making. tucker: making dumb generadumbgeneralizations that t rooted in fact. media will go out and say arab or muslim shooter has motivation. tucker: you haven t given a single example. you are not very effective advocate for your position. i appreciate you coming on. all right. we are out of time. unfortunately, but as we have been saying for the last two days, and as was reconfirmed in the 40-minute press conference we took tonight, for all the detail that we know about how this shooting took place on sunday night, the weapons used, the ammunition, how many rounds, we still don t know the key question, which is why did a 64-year-old retired accountant spend a lot of time and a lot of money to murder an enormous number of strangers? that s not an academic question. we seek to know it both because we seek to prevent it in the future and because to not know it is to be terrified. because it seems random and,
home and hillary clinton administration. indeed, he was one of the rare republicans there and the only, or one of the very few, populist conservatives. that s strange, since populist conservatism is the platform his boss ran on. like trumpet candidate, bannon was willing to criticize big republican donors in their ideological stranglehold in a corrupt g.o.p. establishment. he s able to break with orthodoxy and big and dramatic ways con for higher taxes, better infrastructure, fewer pointless wars around the world, and more. he understood that the country s greatest crisis isn t robert e lee statues but the steady economic and moral decline of its once robust middle-class. not surprisingly, traders on wall street cheered when he got fired this afternoon. the dow shut up 100 points on the news. lobbyists in washington will be celebrating late into the night. the funny thing is, that in some important ways, steve bannon was more traditionally liberal than the liberals who spent the last year shrieking for his head. not that you would know that from the coverage, everything is identity politics and also has ideological opponents attacked him from the very beginning as a bigot. he was always a ludicrous charge , he is a flawed guy, but not in that way. just yesterday he called white nationalist buffoons and losers . it s not steve bannon who is obsessed with racism, it s the activist left in the morons who do their bidding in the media. after his departure was announced, huffington post ran this headline. exactly what with it even means, it s disparately some kind of jewish joke, but even keith olbermann complained about it said to change the headline to white flight. identity politics now, identity politics forever. there was never any real attempt in the press to understand or critique exactly what bannon was saying saying, ideas and policy are not interesting to reporters , mindless tribalism is , so that s what they cover. this is toxic and obscures the issues that actually matter. instead of looking at real problems like rampant drug addiction or economic inequality , and those are real problems, and trying to find solutions to them, the left is obsessed with finding and enjoying destroying the imagine racist in our midst. with banning on, they will move on to somebody else, and they will. see when you about steve bannon, and you can see a lot a lot, but he never forgot what trump got elected in the first place and in a democracy that is not a small thing. he kept an office full of campaign promises, which has probably all ready been taken down by now. blakeman was an advisor to george w. bush and he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on, brad. so with steve bannon gone, who left among senior staff wholeheartedly agrees with what trump ran on. i think steve miller obviously has been there for sometime, but it s not necessarily the people who get you to the white house that you need around you when you finally get there. and i think the main thing that has to be done, now, once the should be leaning on. success is going to be driven by the president being able to keep his promises. yes, but you got to have people around you who agree with those promises and are trying full time to subvert them, as a lot of the people around him are this is the macro view as far as i can tell. to the left hates trump, that s never going to change. he fires bannon, nancy pelosi releases a statement decrying him as a race to spread the press in washington hates him almost as much, maybe more so, so the only people who like him are people who voted for them in middle america, and bannon was kind of there man in the white house. so once you lose them, where s your constituency customer coos for you? the president needs to do what he does best and that is, in the fall, go out and sell his policies and his promises that he made. now is the hard part, now you have to implement them. get to go to peoples districts and help them. he also has to go to those districts are people who were against you and kick them a little bit, but the president needs to get on the road and have an aggressive fall agenda traveling all around america talking about health care and talking about infrastructure and taxes, more portly, because taxes are the key to picking up our economy and get it moving again. we have the opportunity now, and donald trump does better than anyone else, to sell his policies. he is the salesman, he is the deal closer, the people around him our support staff, they are not the people who are going to be, at the end of the day, with their signature on the bills that are going to be signed. let me ask you one last question. even in washington a long time, even a republican your entire life. rex rex tillotson, secretary of state came out today and said we are going to improve the state department. the most important thing you can do is enact a straight system and hiring. they set out loud, he s a secretary of state for republican administration. if the money had said to you that is going to be the state of play in the republican party, would are head have exploded or would you have dismissed it as a lie? my head would ve exploded. look, we ve got to, again, return to the basics of principal and the republican party, things that we believe in , not reinventing things, not things that are not part of our platform, not things that are manufactured by people outside the party who are not believers, we have to return to the core principles that make the republican party a great party. but you can t do that as a freelancer, you can t do that willy-nilly, and you can t do that out of thin air. you have to be principled and that s where your first question is very germane, who are the believers? i don t know the answer. we re going to try to find out. thanks for joining us tonight. pleasure. tucker: for more on the reaction to the departure of steve bannon, we are joined by author, columnist, and thinker mark stein. mark, did this make america better or worse with bannon gone i inclined to the latter because i am worried that the departure of steve bannon makes the trump administration more ordinary and i think the people who voted for trump wanted something extraordinary. and at the risk of quoting myself, which is, i think the first sign of madness, over a decade ago i said it required some genius of for george w. bush to get demonized as a right-wing madman madman when 90% of the time he was tony baer with a ranch. and i think the same process is underway now, trump is being demonized as the new hitler while inside the building they re basically trying to turn them into jeb bush with a kind of foulmouthed semi tourette s twitter feed and i don t think that s going to work. the trump agenda, it was very interesting listening, and that was a very sane explication we just heard but he didn t mention the wall, it didn t mention illegal immigration, it didn t mention any of the issues that curious and idiosyncratic character but he was the only one advancing policy is that cared about. and if you are in these states and towns where the mill has closed in the factory has closed and you re listening to these things from marco rubio about a second american century when all you want is for, you know, your remaining life expectancy to be marginally less work, then, i think, i think they do want the trump policies and they are disturbed by the fact that, for example, on national security, we essentially have, i don t know what he s complaining about , when you look at the options in afghanistan, essentially bill kristol s former policy establishment is still in control of the joint. likewise, the obamacare skinny repeal was nothing like what trump was talking about. i think at a certain point the people who voted for trump did not vote for john kay sick or jeb bush or marco rubio with a slightly wackier personality. they want the trump policies as well as the trump personality. tucker: that some people who don t really care about his personality or his dumb tweets, they just want to see the essential problems of the country addressed in an honest way on the parties are not capable of doing that. meanwhile, bannon s ouster has not ended the left restate against confederate statues. as part of work, chelsea clinton treated this. the story of lucifer who rebelled against god is part of many christian traditions. i ve never been in a church with a lucifer statue. this might be the first question you ve ever gotten about chelsea the 21st century. if you look at other racist parties, the national party of south africa changed its name three times and then completely expired. same with ian smith s in rhodesia. and, and, and, and her father, her very own father presided over one of the great, just seven years ago, the funeral of one of the great satanic archbishops whom you mention the other night, robin seabird fred never mind guys have been dead for a hundred 50 years, if you land in west virginia, everything in the state is named after him. yes directions, they say you come out of robin seabird airport, you hang a left on robin seaboard parkway, turn it right, then when you get to the robert seabird sign, he was, and bill clinton said, well, you know, he had a little bit of flirtation but he did what he had to do to get elected and we ve all been there. let me just redo what he said. i don t want to get this quote wrong. i d rather quote trampled in the dirt never to rise again then to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongols, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wild. this is not a young man, this is a middle-aged man far older than chelsea clinton and tucker: he is writing to senator bilbo, i think. that s right. and i am a foreigner so i can t tell a grand for from a grand cyclops to a grand kazoo, but i think if you ll forgive a little bit of criticism, i think this is what happens when you don t have titles and ability. people invent stupid titles like grand illegal and grand was due. but he was one and bill clinton delivered his eulogy. why doesn t chelsea take that up with the satan in her own family household? spoon because they re good people, mark, unlike you and me. they are just good people. thank you for joining us. thank you for joining us tonight havoc havoc legal weekend. 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news flash: nobody s perfect. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won t raise your rates due to your first accident. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance. tucker: yesterday, cnn published a story with the headline, here are all the active hate groups where you live. this was a list narrowed to neo-nazis and anarchists, but it also had regular conservative organizations like the alliance defending freedom, the family research council, and others. the list was too large and grossly biased and that s because cnn wasn t listing real hate groups they were just listing hate groups as defined by the southern poverty law center which is a totally responsible organization that casually throws her around the term hate group in order to raise money and it s raised a lot of money doing that. terrifying people. dean and eventually it scaled back its headline changing it to the southern poverty law center s list of hate groups. why is cnn doing the bidding of the southern poverty law center? they are not coming on to tell us why so we asked someone from the southern poverty law center to come want to tell their side but they decline like they always do, so instead we are joined by tony perkins was president of the family research council, one of the group slandered by cnn and the splc. thanks for coming on tonight. so, you wake up to see that cnn, which is a supposed news network is describing is a hate group? what is your reaction? it was the fact that it was irresponsible and reckless. this is troubling because the media should not be using the southern poverty law center and their hate map as a means of communicating what tate and what s not because this, in particular, the southern poverty law center and their hate that have been linkedin federal court to domestic terrorism and that occurred at our place when a gunman came been armed with 100 rounds of ammunition with the hit list that came off of the southern poverty law center s hate map so this is real and it s dangerous and it s reckless for the media to use it. spoon so a lunatic read that your organization was described as a hate group and showed up with a gun in response? it was five years ago that that occurred based upon this map that cnn put up, that s a new version of the map it has all of us listed, you can go to the web site and it shows you how to get there, and this gunman confessed to the fbi that s where he got his list was from the southern poverty law center. but they want people to think that they re in the crows nest looking on the horizon for america s well-being when they are vultures that are preying on the fears of americans. they ve gone after ben carson and got after the president and even in minnesota they are pushing policy, they are not an objective arbiter sitting on the sidelines, they went into minnesota pushing a liberal policy in a local school, parents organized against them and instead of arguing the merits of whatever the policy was, the southern poverty law center slapped a label of hate group on these parents. that s how they operate. there a fearmongering organization and averaged over $350,000 which they re sitting on and offshore accounts. it is irresponsible for the media to use them as a source. the department of the army has moved away from them, the department of justice, even under the obama administration moved away from them because of their questionable methodology. spoon they re totally fraudulent and it s not even a close call. they re completely over-the-top. he spent 10 minutes on their web site and it is clear that this is not a group concerned about hate, this is a fund-raising organization with a very specific political agenda smearing people in order to raise money. no journalist, no honest journalist would ever use them as a source. it s shocking, actually. and that s the problem. spoon did they call you, tina describes he is a hate group, you ve all ready had some nutcase with a gun show up when they happened last time, did they call you to say hey, were going to describe your organization as a hate group, did they warn you? we had a discussion about this, what s happening here in this last week is, again, another case of irresponsibly from the media. your member when james hodgkins came to washington, d.c., with a hit list and we don t know the extent to which he was visiting with the web site, we know he was communicating with them, his computer show that, but he s dead so we don t know all the facts, but steve s police who he shot, he was on splc s site multiple times, they went after him trying to deprive him of his leadership position, and after that, the media then calls for, hey, we ve got to ratchet down the rhetoric, we ve got to calm down here. we have not heard those calls this time. tucker: they re completely irresponsible. we are out of time. i feel for you. i hope this doesn t expose you to any dangers. things are coming on. thanks. spoon traditionally the left was wary of large, powerful corporations controlling people s lives, but not any longer. they are in bed with big tech companies who are now minorities online. yes, some of it is discussing, but a year from now will you be on the list? we are talking to a progressive radio show host who is defending it. stays tuned. spoon in the wake of charlottesville tech companies have decided to start rolling back speech on their platforms. google, go daddy, and cloud fair have all cut surface to the daily stormer, that s a white supremacist web site. airbnb has banned whites the premises from using the site, paypal banned a site from using their service and said it won t stop there. spot if i, the music service is purging its music library of hate bands using a list provided by the southern poverty law center. most of these victims are not sympathetic at all, but the question is, in the long run, is it a good idea to allow tech companies this kind of power? we are joined tonight, ethan, what i find so fascinating about this is that liberals traditionally were free speech absolutist and were deeply suspicious of corporate power. probably both good things. now, every level i know is a toady to big business and whatever apple and google think it s a good idea, they kind of nod and say it s fine with me. what happened to liberals? in this case, you have speech , as he just pointed out, that is so reprehensible that we reach a line and say, look, this is in the government intruding on somebody s first amendment rights. the platform itself, whether it s google, facebook, go daddy, or others have terms of service which relate to things like incitement or violence toward others, or hate speech. so if you are violating a company s terms of service they have the right to pull the plug. that s what we re talking about here. spew tucker: you re smarter than that. you re smarter than that. i m not making a legal case. i m not saying that the government has a right to force spot if i to play the songs. i m really saying there s a moral case to be made on behalf of free expression and not all of these groups, i don t actually know anything about the daily stormer, i know what z dare is, though, and you may not agree with that it, but they are not espousing violence, they are espousing views that these companies don t like. is it a good idea? should liberals get behind the censorship of speech that they don t like? i can t believe the liberals are supporting this. you run into the philosopher karl popper put forth the paradox of tolerance. when somebody says, i don t tolerate anybody else, that would be the whites of premises in this case, i don t need to tolerate their speech because they are intolerant of everything and everybody, unless you happen to fit their very narrow worldview. i agree that there can be a slippery slope your but this is the free marketplace. if you want to support white supremacist, cocreate your own hosting company and go create your own music service for whites of premises. spoon let me just say i m sure i m going to wind up on the splc web site for saying this, but i m not defending white supremacy. i don t believe it in and i don t approve of it. what i believe in his freedom of expression. in a marketplace of ideas where they compete with one another. if you don t like what somebody saying, make the counter case. beat them in debate, don t shut them down. aren t you as a liberal may be a little bit bothered by the practice at google of eliminating things from should search results? you don t even know it s there? google has a functional monopoly on search and you know that. let s not pretend. that doesn t bother you? in the case of google that would be the exception. search is like, the one area where they really are like a monopoly but all the other things that you just described are not monopolies, so there really is a marketplace for competition. search as a whole another animal which is why google is running into some trouble in places like europe. i don t like the idea that google remove search results just because we don t like what the answer is. i am with you on that one. i think there is a dangerous precedent when we shutdown something. spoon why don t liberals stand up and say that? i m glad to hear you say that. one of your fellow liberals make their voices heard, this is a really important principle and only liberals can help preserve it. conservatives are not taken seriously on this issue but liberals are and yet they are all toadies, as far as i m concerned, to corporate power in this case and it s really distressing. i hope you will raise your voice we are counting on you. thank you. i will, tucker. thank you. spoon the attack in barcelona was very similar to countless other islamic attacks, so naturally the press is scrambled to compare it to charlottesville instead. we ll talk that over with radio show host tammy bruce who joins us after the break. plus, are you ready for next week s solar eclipse? should you stare directly at the sun, or not? or fox meteorologists will be to tell us. europe, and lesser acts of extremism are even more common, not even in the press here sometimes. yesterday s attack fit perfectly into this wider trend but don t tell the press in the united states. years spent trying to downplay islamic terrorism may reach their piece yesterday when multiple figures tried to tie the barcelona attack, not to the islamic terror attacks that have come before, that would seem an obvious part of the chain, but instead, somehow, to the attack in charlottesville. there will be questions about copycats, questions about what happened in barcelona, if it wasn t all a copycat version of what happened in charlottesville, virginia. with the intensity of information that we ve had related to the charlottesville incident over the last five days , it s quite possible that may have precipitated this terrorist group s desire to gain the limelight and carry out a similar attack. spoon needless to say this is news stretched to propaganda, the public isn t learning anything except that maybe they shouldn t trust the media and that sad, because over time, one day the media will wake up to discover the public puts more faith and trust in conspiracy theories than they do in the official story. that s bad for america and bad for the press. maybe they should think it through before they spread garbage like you he just sat. tammy bruce is a new york city radio host and she joins us tonight. so, tammy, when you saw the atrocity, maybe charlottesville inspired this? every normal person looks at something like that and we are crushed and we know it s a touristy area, we know multiple countries will be involved, we know people were enjoying their day in a beautiful city, and just walking through a promenade , and the next thing, it was like our american who was killed on his anniversary, first year anniversary gets up to use the bathroom, walks away from his bride and he gets murdered. so these are the things that remind us about how things can change in a moment. but horribly for american news, americans rely on news networks to find out what s going on around the world especially in tragedies, durable splits or as an example as you played, immediately saying that as a political opportunity. but let me tell you, it s not about downplaying the event. i would argue with you in that regard. they see in that example for that network everything through the prism of heating trump and so they saw charlottesville, they said that we ve attached them to that now, we ve achieved that, so we say that that s a copycat in barcelona, barcelona is his fault as well. so that i think it is more of what we are watching is this inability to see anything outside of the prism of hating donald trump and when you ve got viewers who are relying on the facts of the matter on the ground, my goodness, they can t even get straight news anymore from individuals who are pathologically fixated at this stage. tucker: exactly. this is an opinion josie watch this show and you know you re getting opinions, but you re watching a news show or reading the front page of a daily newspaper there s an expectation that you re going to find out what actually happened. and the description is not going to be colored by the opinions, political opinions of the person who wrote it. isn t this making all of us just too cynical in the end? on average people going to conclude there is no absolute truth, there is no way to find out what reality was? i think if we refuse to allow that kind of cynicism on, let s say, cnn s part, we see what they re doing and it s obvious but what americans are doing instead is they are cutting the cord, aren t they? the cable companies have realized that people are turning somewhere else. but this is a problem for our democracy because media and news , and even opinion is meant to be an estate here, it s meant to really contradict power, to really be serious about contradicting power, asking the hard questions, and when you move from not caring what the answers are but making things up in order to achieve your political role, even abandon your job, so that harms all of us and it certainly harms the viewers over at cnn and that has got to be our commitment with either opinion or news. tucker: nicely put as always paired tammy bruce, thanks a lot. thanks, tucker. tucker: your member that trump s fight with key mount was supposed to have better relationships and why is there now evidence that a dozen or more american diplomats have been injured in an attack on americans in cuba? a story you may not have heard before, but an amazing one. stay tuned. spoon the u.s. government recently established diplomatic relations with cuba but all is not well in that communist paradise. recent official that said that six diplomats came in with mysterious illnesses that are believed to be for a hidden sonic device. in response, diplomats have been expelled from the united states. now the washington beacon reports that the attacks were more frequent and affected far more diplomats than had been reported. susan crabtree is a writer, lieutenant colonel scott is a veteran of special forces, they will join us tonight. this is an amazing story, susan, i don t think most people are aware of this. give us the outline of exactly what happened. last week we discovered that the state department finally admitted that six diplomats, worsening u.s. personnel, had come down with some sort of mysterious symptoms involving hearing loss to begin with. there are other symptoms, too, that we have learned about, they were pinpointing this as happening late last year in their residences outside the embassy in havana. this supposedly affected six people, that s what they said last week but we have learned that actually it was more like 12-18 people, definitely in the double digits, our sources say, and also, that this occurred much earlier than we previously thought, months earlier, actually, and that timing is critical when you think about the normalization process and president obama leaving his administration and his policy directive. tucker: right. scott, tell us about these devices, sonic weapons, what do they do and what are the effects thanks for having me on. it s just another type of a nonlethal weapons system, and this one sounds more like an infra- sonic or ultrasonic type weapon which can, you know, it s physically undetectable really to the victim and it can put in physical pain, harm, even death if exposure is long enough so, it s a nasty weapon. tucker: you can kill someone with a sound he can t hear? prolonged exposure, there been studies that this can possibly leave to death. i don t think there s a lot of, there s not a lot of documented use of this other than riot control, but then the audio harassment is what this really is, is what it sounds like, is that targets were identified and then audio harassment was employed where they lived and operated over a prolonged period , and yes, that can have significant damage on humans nervous system. tucker: that s just shocking. susan, is there any indication your reporting of why the cuban government would want to do this they hate us, of course, on ideological grounds, but why now that s what everyone keeps asking, including myself. the cuban government has denied this, of course, and they are saying, we didn t know anything about this, but other people are suggesting that it could be russia that was in cuba at the time, because of the canadian connection, we learned last week that canada is saying that one of its diplomats, too, had come down with similar illnesses, at least one that we know of, and that they are not adversarial, they don t have an adversarial relation with cuba, they don t have a huge trade embargo with cuba, so why would they be targeted at the same time? people are suggesting that it could be russia and their motivations are clear. they don t like this trade embargo, they don t like this new detente that we have with cuba, they would like to have more control over goods and services going into cuba, they don t want the u.s. to have the embargo with that, that s one speculation, one theory that i ve heard, but, yeah, it s really mysterious especially because everyone that you ve talked to knows that they know exactly what s going on. think you both for that insight. copd makes it hard to breathe. so to breathe better, i go with anoro. go your own way copd tries to say, go this way. i say, i ll go my own way with anoro. go your own way once-daily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators, that work together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. anoro is not for asthma . it contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. the risk is unknown in copd. anoro won t replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition, high blood pressure, glaucoma, prostate, bladder, or urinary problems. these may worsen with anoro. call your doctor if you have worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain while taking anoro. ask your doctor about anoro. go your own way get your first prescription free at anoro.com. they call him the whisperer. the whisperer? 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are there any population centers? absolutely, nashville. i m going to be in greenville, south carolina for fox & friends. lincoln, nebraska. the rest of the u.s. is going to get partial eclipse. it s going to be kind of dusty around 1:00, 2:00, 3:00 in the afternoon. there s your local forecast. the midwest, that s where we will see the cloud cover. i m hoping we are getting this full effect in greenville where i m going to be. this is a big deal. tucker: you can see why people 100 years 300 years ago, before they explained the phenomenon might think the world was ending. absolutely. what i want to do for fox & friends have a rooster close by. you know what s going to happen? it s going to get dark and the roosters going to think morning has come again. the roosters going to grow. yes, animals could freak out a little bit. the big deal is, if you don t have the sunglasses, they have to be approved. iso 1232 2. they have to be approved. nasa will tell you what you need to be looking for. the last time we had a coastal eclipse coast-to-coast with 1918. do you remember, tucker, back in 1979? i was eight years old. i know i am giving away my age. how exciting that was. it is also very scary. it was almost like don t look at the sun, you could go blind. it s very true. you cannot look at the sun. an ophthalmologist likens it to being out when it s cloudy and it still getting a sunburn. if you are more apt to look at the eclipse because it s dark out but you re still getting the full effect at that uv light. that s why you have had these really cool sunglasses. tucker: i m going to try to control myself. i might not be able to. does your new book about on monday? yes, it does. and the flash flood comes out on eclipse day. here s a couple of tips. don t look at the sun directly. sunglasses have to provide sufficient protection. these babies. only look at the sun through an approved filter. and remember when you were a kid? we made the filters out of a cereal box and pinhole. those are safe. learn how to do that. you cannot look at the sun. tucker, thank you for promoting freddie the frog-caster. i will be in greenville, south carolina, for the totality. it s going to happen. it s going to change our lives. i love you. tucker: i will be lying in bed, watching you, janice. janice dean, everyone s favorite at fox news.
fewer people will actually pay tax at that rate. now, let me tell you what else they want to do. they want to nearly double the standard deduction. $12,000 for individuals. $24,000 for married couples. that s the justification for raising the lowest tax rate from 10% to 12% that a whole lot of people aren t actually going to pay for. the plan also calls for the elimination of the so-called marriage penalty. raising the tax credit for a child under 17 by a yet to be specified amount. and look for a new $500 tax credit for non-child dependents. that replaces the idea that you can actually otherwise claim non-child dependents. in addition, the plan calls for repealing the estate tax. what a lot of republicans call the death tax. this benefits generally speaking the wealthy. it also repeals the alternative minimum tax. at lot of you might say i pay the alternative minimum tax. here s the problem. it was actually meant to be something for the wealthy. wasn t indexed to inflation so a number of people in the middle class have been caught paying it. make no mistake. repealing the alternative minimum tax opposed to indexing it to inflation is a boom for the wealthy generally speaking. there are exceptions to this. and i bet you you re going to tweet me about them any second now. on the business side, the plan calls for slashing the corporate rate to 20% from 35%. donald trump had talked about 15%. hard to get there. they ve been trying to do that. but here s the interesting part. it also calls for a so-called pass through rate of 25%. those of you with small businesses, you ll know what this is. you can deduct expenses and pay the remainder of your personal income as i have to interrupt you. go ahead. you need to walk through what constitutes a small business. because when you see that you go great, this is for a mom and pop store. a mom and pop store, president trump has over 500 llcs. that s law firms and hedge funds. right. so the average income for one of these pass through businesses in america is over $750,000. say that again. $750,000 for most pass through businesses. right? the average household, the median household income in the united states is $59,000. yes, while there are some legitimate businesses that use this pass through system that will benefit from being able to write off your expenses and then pay 25% opposed to the 35% that the personal tax rate will be or 39.6% today. don t be fooled into thinking this is about all small businesses. this still overwhelmingly supports those who are higher earners in this country. those are the details we ve got right now. some of it has been reported by the washington post this morning. the plan aims to cut taxes by more than $5 trillion over ten years. and here s the interesting part. it s going to recoup participant of that. you ll keep the mortgage tax breaks and charitable tax breaks. but a lot of the tax breaks you have are going to disappear. might be a good thing. might be a bad thing. we ve got a lot of tax breaks in this code. we don t see a border adjustment tax we heard about. we don t know about capital gains. there s still a lot remains to be seen. and in defense of the plan, remember, this is their first swipe at it. it s not the worst plan in the world. the characterization of it as being all about the middle class is a little bit disingenuous. i m going to say it s a lot disingenuous. this plan is a win for the rich. joining us now is john harwood. what s your take on this? i m going to side with you over ali. yes! you always do. this is a lot disingenuous. in fact, it is not geared toward the middle class. you outlined many of the liabilities of this plan. i should say it s also not exactly a plan. because if you outline a set of races and say we might have another one, we re going to pay for tax cuts but aren t going to say how, you don t have a plan yet. they re beginning a process. this is more detailed than they laid out a couple of months ago, but it s still not the entire plan. among the lieabilities, you mentioned the pass through businesses. secondly the top rate. they re also trimming back on the personal exemptions that families can claim for their dependents. so if you have a large family, if you ve got four kids, you might lose more from the loss of those exceptions than you gained from the standard deduction. so they re going to be tax increases at the bottom level of this plan. can we also point out, i mean, look at history. you can look at the numbers. when the wealthiest people out there get more money in their pockets, there is not a direct correlation to them going out and spending more. there s a greater chance that they go out and put more money in the stock market. when people who are living closer to the vest, living paycheck to paycheck actually have more money, they in turn go out and buy a washing machine, go out to dinner, buy clothes. they re the ones that change their lifestyle potentially and add inject money into the economy. stephanie, we ve run some recent experiments on this question. bill clinton raised taxes on the highest earners. the economy boomed after that. even more than under president reagan. president obama raised taxes on the top earners in the country. not as much as he wanted to, but some. he grew jobs continuously and the economy improved after that happened. those aren t the only things that happened, but there s not very good evidence to suggest that this is some sort of a magic potion to spur economic growth as the administration s been claiming. and it needs to be. josh earnest is here as well. josh, let me ask you. it needs to be because if you cut taxes and you don t get the corresponding economic growth, then you have what by the way a whole lot of republicans don t like. and that is the point i was going to pick up that john was making. i think it s important. we have tested these propositions before. under bill clinton and barack obama, we cut taxes for the middle class and raised taxes on the highest earners. what was the result? accelerating in the economy and reduction of deficits. we tested this both ways. when bush tried the opposite thing, we saw the opposite. we know how this plays out. i think the other thing that is really important here, the biggest political story of the day is the political earthquake in alabama. i don t think anybody was showing up at rallies chanting cut corporate taxes. and that is two things. a, they weren t looking for that. this just doesn t it has more legitimative appeal than it has appeal to regular people. and evidence indicates that if corporate america wanted to expand and make more factories right now, they ve got either the cash on hand to do it or the available credit to do it. the idea we repatriate the money no question about that. and to josh s point, if you look at the polling, a majority of people in the country say that taxes should go up on business and should go up on the wealthy. so the republicans are fighting uphill on this question and on that roy moore victory last night despite the endorsement of president obama for his opponent, steve bannon president trump john b i think you meant president trump. i did mean president trump. did i say obama? you did. yeah, i don t think obama endorsed luther strange. at that rally last night they warned republicans saying we re coming after the fat cats and wall street. we re coming after silicon valley. and so all those republican senators now who are contemplating not only their general election but primary elections have to worry about backing a plan that would cut the top rate. steve bannon inside the white house talked about raising the rate. john, let s remind the attendees at the rally who put steve bannon on that stage. the mercer family. cofounder of renaissance, one of the biggest, most complex hedge funds that specializes in structure derivatives on the planet. so spare me that nonsense line. and a lot of tax avoidance. correct. hold on a second. let s bring in michael strain. there are a lot of people, fiscal conservatives who have been working to try and develop a plan that they believe will spur economic growth. michael strain, good to see you. is your fingerprints on this? and do you believe it achieves the people like you many american enterprise believe spurs economic growth? well, thank you for having me on. it sounds like you guys are having a lively discussion about this. you know, look. i think this plan reflects ideas that have been around for quite some time. lower the corporate rate is something that has traditionally had support among both conservatives and liberals, among democrats and republicans. simplifying the personal side of the code is something that has traditionally had bipartisan support as well. i think, you know, when i look at this plan, the big question for me is how do we pay for this? that s right. i imagine that will be that s the question. asked this week as we move forward. so do you believe it pays for itself in the way the president we re going to wait for him to say it in indiana. he says it every time. i bet he s going to say it nap this is going to pour such fuel on the economic fire that we re going to get 3% he thinks he thinks 6%. is that true in your opinion? well, i ll take the easy one and say no. this would not increase the economic growth rate to 6%. you know let s try 4% or 5%. it will not raise it to 5% either. look, i mean, i think that you will see economic growth effects from increased incentives to work and save and invest. the question again is how does this get paid for. and if we increase the deficit, does that crowd out private investment that restrains growth even if it lower statutory rates are encouraging growth? we ll see what the details of this looks like. from what i ve seen so far, i don t think the plan will come close to paying for itself through increases and economic growth. but michael i think it will mitigate some of the costs. but you ll have to pay in other ways. pick your industry. whether it s gaming the tax system or regulatory capture. the largest corporations out there always know how to figure out how to game the system. and it s smaller business and mid-size ones that get squeezed out. there s nothing here that shows that it s tipping the scales for the small guy and not advancing the big guy. well, i don t know about that. we see a lower corporate rate. we also see a lower rate for pass through businesses. great. pass through businesses. including hedge funds, law firms, the 500 llcs that president trump has. you are correct that there are some pass through businesses that make a lot of money. there are also pass through businesses that are very new businesses, that are start-ups, or have been around for some time that don t have huge profit margins. but that are family businesses or small shops or businesses that have been around for many, many years. pointing to the fact that they are often organized as pass through businesses doesn t negate the fact that most businesses are organized as pass throughs and that this plan will can i ask quick before we go? we mentioned hedge funds dpop they take carried interest out? i didn t see that in there. has anybody seen that? no. but ali, could i just ad one thing to what michael was saying? michael identified that there had been a bipartisan desire to cut the corporate tax rate. that is true. president obama, in fact, opened the door to that in his treasury department talking about a framework for doing that. but they had the condition that it pay for itself. why? because the government needs more money, not less. we ve got a huge number tens of millions of baby boomers who are coming onto the social security and medicare rolls. we need more government revenue, at least not to lose it. what s happened with the republican plan so far is they have failed to make the tradeoffs necessary in order to make a corporate tax rate paid for by taking away loopholes. if you don t do that, you re just going a cut and expanding the deficit. if i was a corporation, shouldn t i pick the bernie sanders single payer option? because that would be the best for me. that would cost me the least. you know, i don t know about that. look, there are some pay fors in here. a paid for, for example, of eliminating the deduction for state and local taxes which is a significant deduction. and you get a lot of revenue that way. but i do think the question is, you know, how big is the deficit impact going to be. as this plan goes through the process, you know, we re not what we re getting today is not a detailed plan. we re getting a framework and the question is as that framework gets written into legislative language through the process, are we going to see additional pay fors on the table? i expect we will. but there again, you know, the question is what s the deficit of that going to be? that is the question we all have. we need more detail. it is september 27. we were supposed to have a tax deal passed by the august recess. now we re talking about the end of the year. this is about the most complicated thing people can get their hands around. so i appreciate that you guys are listen. last point? last point is just that it wasn t that long ago that donald trump said i don t think that rich people need a tax cut. hopefully there ll be through the legislative process. that was such an important point, we gave you music. michael, thanks for joining us at the last minute. and john harwood, thank you. josh, thank you as well. next, new details from this morning from the closed door testimony of long-time trump ally roger stone. we re going to speak with the house intel lawmaker that some called congresswoman smear. oh, roger, you re so clever. also in d.c., the washington post reports the epa spending $25,000 to install a secure soundproof phone booth for administrator scott pruitt. that s 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fellow, right? that s a nice way to put it. after his grilling by the house intelligence committee yesterday. the typically bombastic operative was relatively subdued after answering questions at the hearing. but he did manage to work in a few trumplike digs on democrats including when he decried the fact that the session was closed citing previous trump advisers experience. in the case of michael caputo, he attended the session, answered all questions truthfully and then congresswoman smear i mean spear came back and maligned him. said he had perjured himself. i m going to let ali take it here because i mispronounced the word decreed. jackie spear of california, thank you for being with us. great to be with you. okay. let s just talk about that swipe at you. was that some sense of how roger stone acted behind closed doors in the committee? well, first of all roger stone is the premier showman. he put on his serious blue suit, showed up at the committee and was subject to the interview and did a very good job, was very serious. no pomp and circumstance. no unfurling of invective. and of course he went out afterwards and went back to the roger stone we know and some love and some boent. but let me just say this. he s writing a book on how a gentleman should dress. he might want to read a book on how a gentleman should act. hear hear. well, there you have it. besides fashion and manners, what d you get down to in there? what was most interesting to me was the fact he just comes out, flat out says he doesn t believe russia was interfering in our election. he doesn t believe the russia military intelligence. if you take that position even though you have the entire intelligence community, all 17 agencies saying very specifically with high confidence that that was the case and certainly the intelligence that is classified completely supports that, so if he says that no that s not the case, then he can arguably say, no, i wasn t engaged with the russians. he s not admitting it was a russian interface. so it s convenient for him to make those statements. the question for us, though, is was there involvement with the trump campaign and russia? and just as importantly and probably more importantly is how deep do the russians go in terms of impacting our elections? and we re finding day by day it s more and more. we re finding facebook was one of the weapons and i m using the terms weapons intelligencely. one of the weapons they used to try and influence the election and probably much more than that. let me ask about roger stone talking about why these hearings should have been open. should they be held in the open and why weren t they? so all of the interviews have been closed. we have asked the committee to have a number of open hearings. but since we re not in the majority, we don t get to make that final call. literally all of the interviews have been held privately and will continue to be held privately. well, congresswoman, thank you for joining us. jackie spear which is really her name not smear, thank you for joining us as always. ridiculous. all right. stand by, everyone. this morning an antiestablishment republican is the winner of a hotly contested senate runoff. what this means for republicans nationwide. roy moore, the guy who said september 11th was god punishing perverseness. he also showed up yesterday to vote on horseback. think about what that day was. this guy arrived on horseback while in saudi arabia i m not saying that offsets the 9/11 comments, but i do kind of think that s neat. ali thinks that neat. he arrives in horseback and in saudi arabia women won the right to drive. king salman signed the right. hoping it will includes the participation in the workforce. it will. it will allow you to get a job. stay with us. you re watching velshi & rhule live on msnbc. cold turkey. i tried to quit with the patch; that didn t work. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. 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alabama last night for the first time. sounds like a really great guy. notably, after deleting past tweets supporting now-failed candidate luther strange. more bad news for the gop establishment. republican senator bob corker of tennessee says he s not seeking a third term opening up another seat in 2018. former white house chief strategist steve bannon talked about that news at moore s victory rally last night. well, senator corker stepped down today. mistake after mistake. people will follow judge roy moore. do not need to get money from the elites, the capitalists, the fat cats in washington, d.c. i just want to make the point steve bannon saying we will not be controlled by the elites. i remind you again, the main financial backers from ban non s movements have been the mersers. that comes from the new york hedge fund. he said roy moore is a great guy. you can have differing political views, but to put this in perspective, i want to share things that moore has done in the past. he believes homosexual conduct should be illegal. that september 11 was got punishing perverseness. and he said president obama was not born in the united states. and muslims should not sit in congress. so people can believe whatever they want to believe, but let s just point out things this individual has said and president trump just characterized him as a great guy. joining me now vaughn hilliard just down the road from the victory celebration last night. and steve kornacki. vaughn i want to start with you because i believe you were at that victory speech. what to do out to me when he spoke, it seemed like his central theme was making the point we should not separate church from state. that s a wow. reporter: exactly, stephanie and ali. i think that s what we re looking at here. the ascension of roy moore is twofold for the republican party. really two challenges to the gop establishment. to mitch mcconnell. to the infrastructure of the republican party. one of them is on the very much of the legislative level. i talked with roy moore after the event last night. are you going to be able to work with mitch mcconnell. if he s willing to work with the constitution that i d be happy to work with him. and i bring that up because on graham/cassidy health care bill specifically, roy moore stated he would not support. pretty much you re looking at another senator potentially to join the likes of ted cruz, rand paul in being a fixture of opposition to the republican party. then the second one that you re asking about there, stephanie, is on his christianity and his faith-based beliefs. and you just listed off several of those more provocative issues and stances that he has. and i was interested because really this race could have implications looking beyond for other primary challengers. the likes of against jeff flake in arizona. heller in nevada. and i want to play you a bit of sound here based off of the reaction trying to get a gist from some of these voters. he s a good christian man. he believes in the bible and what s biblically true. i have voted democrat about 40 years ago. so i might vote democrat this time. i don t quite trust him. but i trust him more than i do that democrat. been in the news over the last couple of years with same-sex marriages. most of the people in alabama believe that traditional marriage is the right thing to do. reporter: except for that one gentleman, most across the board said we re going republican despite those controversial remarks. except for the one who said he might vote democrat. thanks for your great coverage on this. let s bring in steve kornacki. put this in perspective for us. what there s the alabama side of this and the roy moore being an unusual character for alabama. but we ve seen unusual characters catch the public imagination. what does this mean for the situation for republicans in washington right now? this means a story that goes back a number of years now. it is still a big story. maybe bigger than it s been. that is that the republican base is furious with the republican establishment. the name mitch mcconnell. the idea of washington, d.c., of capitol hill. one of the things roy moore ran against was the idea of mitch mcconnell holding sway in the republican party. then indulge me. allow me to be a twisted sister here. could a true conspiracy theorist not make the argument this is all the grand plan. president trump has been kicking mitch mcconnell for months now. a huge failure for this administration is they ve got no legislative wins. all republican-controlled situation. and trump wants to distance himself from that. so here, yes, in theory in name he was supporting luther strange. could trump not change his tune on that in a heart beat? at the end of the day, trump is far more closely tied to steve bannon than mcconnell or ryan. the message of the moore campaign was donald trump s already winking at us. he was at the rally with luther strange saying i may have the wrong guy. in fact, that became an ad for roy moore at the end of this campaign. the theme here on the republican side, i think back to when ronald reagan was president and there were conservatives who were angry. they weren t angry at reagan. they were angry with the republicans around him. their mantra was let reagan be reagan. people say let trump be trump. and a guy like strange is going to get in his way. what about bob corker stepping out? he wants to primary trump? i look at it this way. steve s always far more responsible. his answer always starts with hold your horses. i mean, look at what the mood of the republican base right now. if you re bob corker. if you re an establishment republican in washington, you ve got to worry about two things when you look at this. could this be me? i m up in 2018. i ve got conservative challenges. they don t seem to have traction now. but maybe it wouldn t take much. but also, what is the value for a republican sort of establishment figure for bob corker to go through another campaign, to come back to washington, and be in the republican party where there s more roy moores serving with him and fewer luther stranges? isn t the question who is the republican base? i m pretty sure my mom and dad have voting republican their entire lives. and they don t think homosexuality should be illegal. look, you heard vaughn mention this a second ago. flake in arizona, heller in nevada. they ve got to worry right now. i ll give you another name. roger w.i.icker mississippi. i knew he was going to say that. look at her face. steve kornacki you know, stephanie. oh, of course. right at the tip of my tongue. he s got to worry though. thad cochran almost got knocked off a few years ago. the guy that ran against him looked the result last night saying i m looking at 2018. riding in on a horse was brilliant. steve kornacki is like encyclopedia brown. we should always have him on our show. he knows things i haven t even thought of. i think the viewers would think we re smarter because he s so smart. i know one area and i m an idiot outside of that. thank you, steve kornacki. i would like to point out he s never seen the movie grease and i can sing every song. stand by, everybody. we re going to have a live report from puerto rico. maria is now still, you know, its damage is still there and it s becoming very hard to get the necessary repairs there. we re going to dig into the jones act when we come back. a 97-year-old congressional act preventing relief right now. wonder who controls it? those strong lobbies. kevin, meet your father. kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin kevin trusted advice for life. kevin, how s your mom? life well planned. see what a raymond james financial advisor can do for you. we were in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. so i just started poking around on ancestry. then, i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. it turns out i m scottish. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. 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u.s. merchant marine industry is shrinking. so what about foreign ships? they ve got two options. first, dock at a puerto rican port and pay tariffs, fees, and taxes. or stop at a mainland port like jacksonville, florida, and transfer to an american flagged ship. costs of goods passed on to the puerto rican customer. it cost the puerto rico economy $537 million in 2010. university of puerto rico economists found that over the proceeding 20 years, the island lost over $17 billion from its economy as a result. in case you re wondering about the areas of texas and florida affected by harvey and irma, the jones act was waived in those situations. like for new orleans after katrina. the department of homeland security has not received a formal waiver request and has not decided if it will give puerto rico the waiver. the reasoning, the island s ports are too damaged to handle the offloading of cargo. tammy lightner is live in san juan. tammy, the acting head of the dhs described the electrical grid as virtually gone but said there is food, water, and gasoline. when we talk to people on the ground, we spoke to a doctor earlier that said there are doctors who can t even get to the hospital because they don t have gas for their cars. reporter: yeah. getting around here is really, really tough. hurricane maria might landfall here a week ago. we are still seeing dramatic rescues from communities that are completely isolated. in puerto rico, an incredible rescue mission under way. this team of new york city firefighters and police officers searching for a family of six. gabriel had not heard from his family since hurricane maria chewed up the main bridge trapping his loved ones and their entire community. his town, one of 11 on the island, these rescue workers have still not been able to reach. this is going to take over an hour just to get up this hill. reporter: we ve been walking for about 15 minutes. it s slow going because it s desperation. then finally after almost two weeks apart an emotional reunion. everyone together once again. his family surviving the cat 5 with enough supplies to last a few more weeks. but gabriel s parents staying behind. for now. it s sad because we re going to be separating. we should still be together. reporter: the goodbyes cut short making it even harder to get across the mountain. relief, grateful, but facing an unknown future. we ve seen rescue crews from all over the united states, nevada, indiana, california, all over, working with puerto rican rescue crews trying to save some of these people that are trapped. steph? thanks so much, tammy leitner in puerto rico. i want to point out a tweet we saw earlier from the white house regarding the jones act. i m glad you explained this as well as you do. they say the homeland security is reviewing a waiver for the jones act to help puerto rico, but it s unlikely it will be done today. we must remember, it s the u.s. rail lobby that has kept this act in place for so long. not even the oil industry. because the oil industry for years had tried to get this thing dunawone away with, becau for years they wanted to use cheaper and more efficient barges and have been unable to. buffett controls a lot of the u.s. railway bridges. it would be great if at a time like this we could get as many goods to puerto rico as possible. just get rid of these rules that may have value elsewhere, may not, but for now we have to understand puerto rico being as serious and potentially more serious than the issues in texas and florida. but even in good times, places like hawaii, alaska and puerto rico suffer because of this rule, and at a time like this, come on now. put it aside. let s take you back, though, to d.c. where nbc s kasie hunt caught up with senator bock corker of tennessee who explains why he s not running for reelection. i m in a position where with phone calls i can make things happen and influence outcomes. so i have, like, zero frustration, and i want to talk more fully about this over the next couple weeks. it simply was, really, i came up here to be a citizen legislator. i provided entertainment for all of you because i m willing to say things that, you know, our own people s minds. i m frank. i ve been that way because i never, ever thought about a future election, it s always been about trying to make something happen. as we discussed, this is just the latest obstacle for some republicans in their attempts to sort of try and create an agenda of things that can pass that will actually appeal to a broad group of voters and a broad group of republicans. what you are seeing now is the republican, the far right of the republican party, gaining a lot of traction, a lot of steam, including with the election now or with the success last night of roy moore. one of the problems, though, that president trump continues to face, he s just not a detail guy. he s a sales guy. and like him or not, trump is a great sales guy. he s got great sound bites, great slogans and he can sell things. but once it comes time to deliver, and that s when you have to hash out every detail, we re not seeing it happen. the one thing we ve seen is the appointment of neil gorsuch and he outsourced that. that was mitch mcconnell. the company is pushing equifax ceo richard smith for his resignation the other day. but he won t get severance pay but a pension worth $18 million on top of his $1.5 million salary, health benefits, and that s not all. he could be granted about $30 million in stock options if the company that can t be true. you can t make more money median household average income, median income for the american household is $59,000. you can t tell me, stephanie this must be fake news that when you do something really wrong at the head of an american corporation, you ll get more just in health care benefits, almost double in health care benefits. never mind your stock options, never mind your pension. you ll get more in health care benefits than the average family gets in total income. that can t be true. i can tell you that s true and then you can find a dotted line to that forgotten american who is so angry with corporate america and elites and washington right there. stories like this are what get people so angry. there is a guy who is working on this, a number of people working on this. this guy swis one of them. i spend half my time is pennsylvania, so this is attorney general shapiro. attorney general, good to see you again. thank you. the outrage you and i talked so many times about this. it never gets better. there is not a day in which i think, ah, equifax is doing the right thing. well, first off, ali, it s good to be back with you and stephanie. i m glad i m a whole alternate general. i m also an attorney general who is just so offended, offended by the conduct of equifax since the breach. i m offended by this golden parachute that this ceo gets to walk away with after he literally, on his watch, lost the data of 143 million americans, including 5.5 million pennsylvanians. here s the question. it s offensive, but is it illegal? i take you back to the financial crisis, the thousands of americans who were so angry with the banking industry, and you saw executive after executive leave with all their dough. retiring. well, here s the thing. we have 47 state attorneys general investigating this data breach, investigating the delay in public notification and holding equifax accountable for their conduct since the breach. i m proud here in pennsylvania that we re leading that coalition, and look, steph and ali, you guys talk a lot about the partnership that exists in washington. our corps of attorneys general are working together in a bipartisan way. we will get to the bottom of this and we will hold these guys accountable, and we will be unrelenting in our pursuit. we will follow the facts and evidence wherever it leads. we will hold people accountable. attorney general, tell me really quickly, i know there are a lot of you, 47 of you who are doing various different things. i know massachusetts has filed suit. do you coordinate on these things? will some of it become joint lawsuits or will you have independent lawsuits? we are absolutely coordinating in this investigation. as i said, pennsylvania is leading that investigation. we talked to our colleagues across the country each and every day. our demands for information, stuff we ve subpoenaed, has come as a result of an organized effort amongst the attorney generals. we are focused like a laser beam on getting to the bottom of this, holding equifax accountable, and most importantly, changing corporate behavior. i don t have a lot of confidence in the other two credit reporting agencies. i don t have a whole lot of confidence in the whole regulatory scheme. this is a situation where ali and i can t believe that people have to pay to get their credit scores. they lost our stuff. we never chose to be part of any of them. they make money on our information and we have to pay. we have told equifax to stop waiving rights. but it s true the other two agencies are still requiring you to pay. the one thing we ll be asking for from equifax is to reimburse pennsylvanians who were chose to pay 5, 10, 20 bucks to get their credit frozen. they need to up their behavior, strengthen their protection and look out for the american people. you might be a half attorney general, but you are a whole attorney general, josh shapiro. thank you for staying on top of this with your colleagues across the country. josh shapiro. you may be a half of this show, but you are a whole lot of fun, ali velshi. as we reported, the secretary of health and human services tom price has used private jets yep. this is not a corporate story. this is a u.s. government employee story. we re talking about your tax dollars dollars. during his time in the cabinet, he has taken those planes and they have cost taxpayers hundreds of thousands 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1. we will leave with you that. have a great weekend, everybody. tucker carlson is up next. tuc tucker: well, good evening, and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. michael, one the president s campaign aides, who spoke to the press after coming out of the briefing. whatever it takes to help him clear up this russian collusion delusion. tucker: michael with l. join news a few moments what he saw in congress today. first attorney general jeff sessions gave a speech this week to a group of christian lawyers the group called alliance defending freedom. the splc has said they are about attacking enemies and shutting down free speech for those that don t agree with them. again, it underscores the fact that these networks would use this as a source instead of using sources that the federal government has said are reliable and that the right and the left rely on. it does bring up. tucker: here is what i object to is the name-calling. so obviously the reporters who wrote these stories disagree with your views, fine. but why don t just explain what your views are and allow readers to come to their own conclusions rather than dismissing you or likening you to the klan of all things? exactly. i mean, if you look at our record, our record speaks for itself. we have played a role in 52 supreme court victories over the course of our ministry. and we have a case pending right now. and we just won one. these cases are not focused on anything other than protecting the rights of all americans no matter what their faith is. no matter what their walk of life is, all americans to is shameful and i hope they are ashamed of this. kristin, thank you very much for that. thank you. thanks for your time. tucker: well, as of tonight we will bring you update on russia story. official washington still consumed by the supposed hacking of our election, a charge often repeated, rarely explained. the same election, by the way that brought many of them to washington. today the hysteria continued, indeed accelerated. watch this. the attack on the integrity of our elections, the security of our country. the integrity of our democracy is at stake. thank you leader pelosi for organizing all of us today who have taken some action in dealing with the trump family criminal enterprise. unveil the criminal activity, the unconstitutional activity of this president and his family. so, i have dubbed them the criminal klan a long time ago. i think what we re learning with the trump jr. meeting is when you meet with any russians, you re meeting with russian intelligence. and, therefore, president putin. tucker: when you meet with any russians you are meeting with president putin. that s the level of debate in washington. michael caputo got hauled in front of a congressional committee today. he advised the presidential campaign. he was at closed door house hearing not long ago. he joins us now with an update. michael, thanks for coming on. thanks for having me. tucker, i want to congratulate you on the success of your show. i always admired your affinity for the grateful dead. i m really happy to be here. tucker: thank you. there is a lot i don t know about this story. and i m sincere in wanting to learn more. so, what did you learn in the event you went to today, the closed door session? this is a fishing expedition. tucker: okay. they told u two hours they being a traitor. she was born in ukraine. if you and i are both know if you were born in ukraine that doesn t make you a fan of russia. she doesn t know her facts. i want apology. tucker: you are working for putin? i thought most ukrainians hate putin. they do. of course, there is difficulty going on between the two countries right now. if you drink vodka and have russian dressing in your refrigerator you are game for these people. tucker: what happened when they mentioned your wife. we started getting terrible threats. i got a message on phone said an tiff if a. we know you are out of town. we are going to burn your house down with your wife and children in it things have changed for my family dramatically. even though i left the trump campaign on june 2nd. i never heard anyone, not the least of which donald trump ever say russia when i was on that campaign. it s a fishing expedition. clearly designed to delay and stop the donald trump agenda. tucker: what role do you think russia did play, just as a citizen in the 2016 election? well, you know, i believe that wikileaks i have always believed that wikileaks has had some connection to russia. it s not clear if they did this time. we didn t get a chance to look at the server, they wouldn t give the server to the fbi or homeland security. i always thought they were getting their materials in the past from russia. but, as a matter of fact it doesn t take co-for the trumcrumpcampaign to mess with elections. we mess with elections. of the funny thing is i was sent in 1994 to russia by the clinton administration to get involved in their election. tucker: seeking what outcome? the re-election of boris yeltsin. tucker: how did that work for russia the re-election of boris yeltsin. not very well. when i met him he was a lion but when he left he was a souse. tucker: you think it was likely that they were involved. i think it is likely the russian government was trying get involved in the american elections because they get involved in the elections of all major elections just like we do. we may not hack, we may, i don t know, i can tell you as a fact as someone sent to russia to get involved in their elections, all the major opposition parties in russia were concerned about my work there and said i had to stop meddling in their election he is. that irony is not lost on me. tucker: you were sent by the u.s. government? by the clinton administration to get involved. i worked for the central election commission there trying to steer their election. and afterwards trying to help candidates. tucker: do you think that the russian government preferred candidate trump over candidate hillary clinton? i know they did. i mean, first of all, i have been told many times over by many people i know from russia and in russia that hillary was their candidate. the reason why is they didn t like her. they said she was a problem for them but she is predictable, totally predictable. donald trump they thought maybe was a better guy but he was totally unpredictable. it s a russian standard that you go with predictable every single time. tucker: of course. it s absolutely a wise standard. and you know that they were going to defeat her on every front because they did it for eight years of obama. tucker: your contention you don t sound much of a putin fan. you know, i have got to tell you this. donald trump wants to have better relations with all nations. he wants to have better relations with russia. i m not a big fan of putin. i have criticized him in the past. in the wages of the washington post after my friend was murdered in 2004 on the streets of russia. on the streets of moscow. but donald trump and vladimir putin have an opportunity to change the way that we interact together. and we re ruining it with this bogus russian investigation. tucker: your friend was murdered you believe by the russians. putin had a hand in it. you are mad about it. how did you respond then when you saw a sitting member of congress refer to you at putin s image consultant? i don t think putin had anything to do with my friend s murder. i think the society there was responsible for it and it was putin s responsibility to stand up for media freedom. that was my point in 2004. when she called me putin s image consultant, it was very clear to me that she has terrible inturns. she didn t do any searching. all she had to do was look what i said in the media, what i said in the press, i don t make it my business to insult vladimir putin or anybody else around the world. but my position on russia and on the kremlin is very clear. all you had to do was research it. instead, she went after me and my wife on live television and we have been enduring death threats and other threats ever since that was march 20th. tucker: real quick i want to flush that one second. what was the basis for that charge that you are putin s image. do you know why she said that. sound bites. tried to get on television. very important, very rare public appearance. tucker: you have never done his hair and makeup ever. no. i have done his manicure, of course. and someone has to wax his chest when he rides out horse. tucker: now you are getting dirty, my friend. jackie spear does not deserve to be in congress if she doesn t come back and apologize to my wife for what she did. she can say whatever she wants about me. putin s imdamage consultant. maxine waters pedestriany guy. as far as i m concerned you bring in family members and bring in my wife who became a citizen less than a month before, she owes us an apology. tucker: especially as ukrainian. michael, thank you very much for joining us. as you know, many on the left do not like the police, the surge in antipolice violence tone down the rhetoric. probably note. in a moment we are joined by a writer from i salon.com. who do you think is more open-minded religious or atheist people? 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i think what it dels us is we have to look at the system and not the individual police officers that are killing these people. systematically, the way police officers are trained, they re taught to go for violence first and a lot of states they don t tell police officers to resort to other means to subdue a subject other than shooting and killing them. tucker: hold on, right. there are two different things whether nonlethal force ought to be used ought to be a question. white officers statistically less likely than black officers to kill black suspects. if all cops are being taught to be racist, why are black cops more likely to shoot black suspects? that doesn t really make much sense, does it? no. you are looking at it individually when it looks to be looked at. tucker: i m just looking at the numbers. you have to look at it in as is systemic way when you look at the system that allows these police officers to commit these acts of violence and then they don t get held accountable for it we have seen time and again police officers getting off on killing another person, yanice shot and killed he was acquitted of all charges. tucker: i don t want to be mean but you are maybe dodging the point a little bit. some of the issues you are raising are valid issues. i don t want anybody to commit brutality against anybody else. and i mean that but to charge that racism is at the core of this, without any evidence because you actually don t have any evidence at all, and there is some counter failing evidence makes people more fearful, makes them hate each other. makes our society way less happy and less trusting. so it s a big deal to charge something like that and don t you think you should pull back until you can prove it? i guess that s my point. well, i do think i do prove it in my piece because, if you look at the statistics and look at the data, police violence disproportionately affects black and brown bodies. and it always has. tucker: why are black cops more likely to shoot suspects than white cops are? how does that fit into your racism package? as police officers they are part of the police system in this country that no matter what race you are, you still are taught the same tactics. tucker: why are they more likely? again, i just want you to open your mind a little bit. this isn t college. just like look at the facts and then draw your conclusions from those. and sometimes you know you reach a point i m not exactly sure what s going on. it s not as simple as my professors told me it was. that s all i m hoping you conclude. i think you are missing a point a little bit about what i was trying to get at in my article and about the seriousness of police violence and why we need to address it in a meaningful way. tucker: i m with you in some ways on that, the race stuff is wrong. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. thank you. tucker: atheists have long believed in their own open-mindedness, you mind call it an article of faith. are they actually tolerant? 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and by that i mean a media-driven narrative for which nobody has provided any evidence? i would say no and, yet, the notion of closed mindedness at the foundation of this study is essentially the same as that. tucker: interesting. flesh that out a little bit. how do you think this study is flawed on its most basic level? so, one of the things that the study classifies as close mindedness is a reluctance to come up with arguments against your particular position. so, they ask you to take a position on three different questions. they are really kind of odd questions that have to deal with whether you think homes should be painted a light color. whether you think that it benefits society to have homosexuals, you know, adopt children, and the third one was whether you think that the meaning of life is a personal question. so, a bunch of random questions. but they ask you to take a position and then they say come up with a bunch of arguments against the position that you took and then they say that they want you to tell them whether they find that persuasive, whether you find that persuasive. so, in order to be not closed-minded, according to this study, you have to come up with a bunch of arguments against your view and you need to say that you find those arguments persuasive. it s not a situation in which you are presented for evidence against your view and have you refused to consider that evidence and then, therefore, you are closed minded. it s asking you to come up with the argument. tucker: thank you for explaining that. that s really interesting. i think the study is more valid than i did before. okay, why? tucker: that is the acid test. that s the position of empathy. can you put yourself in the position of someone though ho disagrees with you and can you mount a valid or reasonable argument against yourself and see its strength? and if you can t do that the question is why. that is because you can t imagine that decent people disagree with you. in the study, tucker, they would deem you closed minded if you continued to find the arguments for your side more persuasive than the arguments for the other side. so, i agree that it s very valuable in society and, in fact, i think one of the reasons that a lot of the violence is breaking out on campus, for example, is the inability of people to understand arguments against their own views. tucker: exactly. i agree with that. right? and there are studies that say they don t teach critical thinking. critical thinking the ability to think about arguments against your view is good. but then to be asked to evaluate those as persuasive and so say if you don t think those arguments against your view are persuasive makes you closed minded. i don t think that s valid. tucker: i disagree with you but i think you are making a smart point. but, how about just the reality that we see every day? i don t notice christian groups suing to shut down atheist groups because they don t. but i do see a lot of your group trying to i m not saying, you know, that there are not militant atheists, right? there are militant atheists. i don t happen to be one of them. we can talk about why atheists become militant more in the united states than europe the focus of this study. here in the united states the atheists are rebelling against their parents, so to speak. i think they are more militant but, you know, in this particular study, they are saying that you are closed minded if you, having taken a certain position, having found the most persuasive position don t find pervasive being the view. there is one other aspect of the study. tucker: may i ask you a broader question? sure. tucker: if you are a sincere christian and most don t live up to this. if this is the ideal, you are commanded to love those who persecute you. not just the ones that disagree with you, the ones trying to hurt you. there is no such requirement, of course, in atheism. who is a more open-minded person, the person actively seeking to love someone who late them or someone who is not? sure. but then the question is sort of that open minded ines esm value as well. two critiques of this study is that it defines that atheists are going to automatically come out as closed minded. it s because of the issue we just talked about having to come up with arguments against your view when you don t believe there is evidence against your view. there is that the second issue is that it evaluates you according to your willingness to entertain contradictions. contradictions into our own thinking. the refusal to interdict contradictions into your own thinking is parts of logic. from that standpoint i would say yes, atheists are probably more likely to follow the amiable of logic. tucker: i don t believe that i have to admit you seem like a pretty logical atheist. i am. i have been a lifelong atheists. tucker: i hope you switch. it s did depressing in the end. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you for having me. tucker: sarsour. called on to assimilate. the democratic party line nices her. she is a hoe. she is the most reasonable muslim they can find? 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assess it for yourself. i will respect the presidency but i will not respect this president. our number one top priority is to protect and defend our communities. it is not to assimilate and to please any other people in authority. i hope that we, when we stand up to those who oppress our communities, that assess from us as a form of jihad that we are struggling against tyrants and rulers, not only abroad and middle east and other side of the world but here in these united states of america where have you fascists and white supremacists and islamophobes reigning in the white house. tucker: arguing against assimilation. why can t democrats find a muslim mascot who is not a total extremist who probably could if they tried. heat street joins us tonight for more on this linda sarsour person. thanks for coming on. thank you, tucker. tucker: who is she exactly and is it fair to call her extremist. no. absolutely. linda sarsour is-makes muslims in the middle east look moderate. she is an extremist if the fact that she believes in sharia law. she recently used the word jihad to explain her personal inner war with the president. she is absolutely an extremist. she has taken a leadership position in the so-called leftist resistance to president trump. and she certainly is outside the mainstream of american ideals and i would even say the average american muslim ideals. tucker: is she for sharia law for sure but that seems like it would set her at odds with mainstream feminism which is at least purports about empowering women. sharia law is a non-western code that really sir couple describes their choices. so how does that work? how are feminists for sharia law? absolutely. i mean leftist feminist definitely have a difficult balancing acts to play here. i think they really like having a token minority and when she starts speaking about what sharia law is, they kind of just turn off their ears and, yet, but then they can say well, we have this woman given us access and so grade great. don t actually listen to what means to live in a country that has sharia law. tucker: yeah. seems like most feminist would be adamantly against that. is it fair to say that she has ties to mainstream democratic politicians. elected democrats. absolutely. not a single mainstream democratic politician has certainly denounced her. she was one of the people at the front of the so-called women s march after trump was inaugurated. she has taken stage with several different democratic politicians. and she certainly has been edge braced by mainstream democrats. this is not a fringe figure even though they re beliefs are certainly fringe. tucker: where is she on israel? not a fan. she is a palestinian absolutist. i would be surprise surprised ie believes israel has a right to exist, tucker. tucker: does anybody say this in the democratic? it used to be like 18 months ago someone like this would get some push back in the democratic party. does she? right, slulg. absolutely. i think everyone that would criticize linda sarsour has been driven out of the democratic party. democrats have a hard time losing elections. what i don t understand and you mentioned earlier there are millions of muslim americans in this country that are good people, tucker. people who have assimilated. people who go to school and have normal jobs, who don t preach sharia law. and i don t understand why democrats don t talk to one of these people to kind of talk about islam. tucker: you would think. you would. tucker: they have gotten extreme. joe, thanks a lot for that. thanks, tucker. tucker: up next, are you smarter than a news reporter? that sounds like a rhetorical question and an obvious one. of course you are. we ll find out in just minutes though for certain. our final exam. that s where fox news peter doocy and elizabeth prann get quizzed on this week s top news story. stay tuned. whoa! you re not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you re not taking those. whoa, whoa! you re not taking that. come with me. you re not taking that. you re not taking that. you re not taking that. mom, i m taking the subaru. don t be late. even when we re not there to keep them safe, our subaru outback will be. 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[bell] tucker: elizabeth? pot. tucker: marijuana, weed. okay. we are going to go to the tape and see if you are right. marijuana dispensaries are running out of pot. the governor has declared a state of emergency. a surge in sales there has left a lot of shelves empty. tucker: somebody watches special report. i m telling bret baier. is he going to be flattered. interesting. i m not going to tell you what. tucker: you think there may have been thin which he e this week announced that the city of los angeles would soon host the summer games. when was the last time l.a. hosted the olympics? was it 1980? was it 1984, was it 1988? belle. 1984. tucker: 1984. how do you know that? it was before i was born but i feel like i have seen a sweatshirt. tucker: we will see if you are right. you are definitely right. it was the l.a. summer games of 84 that electrified the country. the torch was hit at the l.a. coliseum but it was carl lewis who sat the crowd on fire. tucker: i m impressed 1984 to you was like the first world war to me. it was like prehistory. i feel i hear a lot about is that the one bruce jenner was in? i m not going there. last month president trump invited recently retired quarterback to play golf with him. this week that quarterback said that people pressured him not to accept the offer. but he felt like taking a pass on it would be, quote, unamerican. who was that? peyton manning. tucker: peyton manning says elizabeth plan. you know, i have had a chance to play with president bush before. if president obama or president clinton asked me, i would be there in a heart beat. it was just the experience of playing with the office that was pretty cool with me. i think it would have been almost unamerican to have said no. only because of the espies is why i knew. tucker: i m impressed elizabeth prann. i lowered the bar. i m good tapping out. tucker: this week one of the largest icebergs ever recorded broke off from the antarctica peninsula. it was enormous, scientists say it weigh as thousand tons. size of what state? maine, island or delaware? delaware. tucker: delaware? one of my joe biden google alerts. tucker: aka first tape we see on the tape. a massive chunk of ice separating into the ocean said to be the size of delaware. tucker: peter doocy, ladies and gentlemen. wins the geography quiz. down to the final question. it s 2 to 2. okay. tucker: technician working at corpus criminals city bank in texas yesterday had to be rescued by police after he accidently locked himself inside what for two hours? the atm machine. how did you know that? tucker: could be the vault. hear the tape. we can hear the voice coming from the machine. never see this again in your life to have somebody stuck inside the atm machine. tucker: unbelievable. because that is the craziest story. people were going to the atm and this man was inside sending them notes that just said help, i m stuck in the atm. let me out. tucker: world s smallest repairman. what would you think if you got that note. credit card and skim it and leave. tucker: i would think it was an inside job. ha! final exam first test 3-2 you know that breaks congratulations. thank you. thank you for having me. tucker: so how did you do? we can t hear you, unfortunately. but follow the news closely for next week. we have another final exam coming up friday. after, this republicans have run basically everything in washington for seven months. what have been the results? we have got an update on that coming up. tucker: we didn t get a ton of coverage but the house of representatives continued to fund sexual gender assignments. it s more interesting that the vote took place at all. the congress is controlled by republicans with the biggest majority. in the last election voters sent a clear message about what they wanted. what did the voters get? last night they got a new form of social new jerseying so extremities engine earring would have been extreme. the count is waiting on the border wall and the repeal of obamacare. refugees are coming in the country in large numbers. the swamp is as wet as ever? what happened? is the democrats or the partisan media? who knows. it s amazing whatever the cause. imagine the opposite, a world in which democrats were swept to pour in a shocking victory in november. but before doing anything that their voters voted for them to do they decided to launch an investigation into the clinton foundation. pass a budget that trumps the size of government. that would be the greatest betrayal of a political base in american history. exactly. that s it for us tonight. tune in every night tonight. the sworn enemy of lying.
assistant to george w. bush. scott, let me start with you, were there echos of the axis of evil speech that president bush spoke about before the war against saddam hussein in 2003? this definitely had shades of that remark and i m glad to see that because during the campaign, donald trump ran as something of an isolationist and if you watched today s speech, he took you on a world tour of american priorities and american engagement. if you were expecting donald trump the isolationist you did not get that today. it was a firm and measured speech today, he spoke in clear terms. i was proud to see him call out the programs on petfar and malaria that the united states has invested in. i think he hit all the right notes for his american audience. i think his base will love it. i think a lot of americans agree with his message on reforming the u.n. and some gallup polling conducted earlier this year, only 37% of americans felt the u.n. was doing a good job and 60% thought it was doing a bad job. his calls for reform at the u.n. i think fall on some welcoming ears in the united states. brian fallon, i m going to play the clip on iran, on the iran nuclear deal, that the president just he spoke very bluntly about that, seeming to suggest there s going to be a new strategy as far as the u.s. is concerned and as you know by october 15th the u.s. must certify whether or not iran is in compliance with the iran nuclear deal, which the obama administration certainly helped work out. listen to this. the iran deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transaction the united states has ever entered into. frankly, that deal is an embarrassment to the united states and i don t think you ve heard the last of it. believe me. it is time for the entire world to join us in demanding that iran s government end its pursuit of death and destruction. all right. certainly sounds like he s getting ready to walk away from that iran nuclear deal. but what was your reaction? i thought that was one of many examples of how intellectually confused, if not outright incoherent, the speech was. in one breath he was urging the world to come together and collectively confront the threat of north korea and in the next breath he is chiding the world over the last time it came together and did rally as an international community to stop a nuclear iran. he s also withdrawn from the paris agreement. he s gone around criticizing the united nations as a body. this is a guy who goes around thumbing his nose at international entities and international attempts to confront global challenges, and so what moral standing does he have to call on the world to act collectively against north korea? if you think about it, he gave a whole tribute in the beginning of the speech to this idea of sovereignty, basicallying may an agnostic valueless vision for how nations should independently decide their self-interest and let that be the predetermining factor and in the next breath tries to cast the struggle against north korea in moral terms, good versus evil. i thought this was an intellectually confused speech, a strained attempt to square his america first doctrine from the campaign, with the reality of the global challenges that the united states faces. you can t decouple america s leadership role in the world from the democratic values that we stand for and that have sort of provided the undergirding for the post-world war ii era democratic era around the globe. i think it will prompt a bunch of eye rolling if not literally and metaphorically of other leaders of the allied nations that he s gone around criticizing during the campaign and since. i want to bring christiane amanpour in this conversation as well. you had a chance to sit down and interview the president of france, emmanuel macron. i wonder if you were watching the speech with him and got his reaction? you know, i m sitting here at the french mission to the united nations. it is incredible that as i was speaking and wrapping up that interview and had already spoken and really sort of plumed the deaths of mr. mack con s view on the iran deal we heard what president trump said and i put it directly to president mack con, that this was the worst deal in history, an embarrassment and we ll see what will happen. mr. macron was very polite and very considered. but very clear in that he believes and so do all the other international signatories to the iran nuclear deal, that this is the best deal that can be accomplished right now. and getting rid of it, particularly in the context of the fact that north korea is actually now a nuclear power with the very imminent possibility of having intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads that could reach american territory and certainly many parts of the world, he said it is not time to ditch the iran nuclear deal and he is going to try to convince president trump when he sees him again, he s already talked to him as he did last night, when he sees him again around the u.n. right now and in the next couple days, not to ditch this deal because it is the best that they have right now. he agrees with president trump on other issues regarding iran, that there must be more and better monitoring and bringing into line iran s ballistic missile program, that there must be a concerted effort to stop or to put the brakes on iran s what they call negative malign influence in the region whether it s in syria or whether it s in iraq or yemen whether it s in that part of the world. on many things they agree but not on ditching this deal because he said it would make it worse. when i asked him about north korea and you heard what president trump said about north korea, calling kim jong-un rocket man, saying that he was on a suicide mission, he again said, we all condemn what kim jong-un is doing. but a military solution is not the solution. he said just look at the map. there would be tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of casualties should some kind of war break out in the e-john and elsewhere. region and elsewhere. macron wants to try to work with president trump and the rest of the world leaders here to enforce the sanctions, to be as tough as possible on north korea, but this must be a diplomatic and economic pressure, he said, and not a military solution, not at all. christian is going to have more on her interview with president macron coming up later on his program on cnn international. christian, stand by. jeff zeleny, you re over at the united nations. the speech, i sense and you may have a better appreciation of this than i did, got sort of polite applause from the international delegations, but certainly not enthusiastic applause. wolf, certainly that is true. polite applause in a couple areas, but not much applause throughout the course of the 41-minute speech. perhaps not surprisingly, it s difficult to align that parts of the world are going to hell. this was a very somber speech if you will, and i remember thinking back to the first appearance that president obama made here in 2009, as president, of course a far different reception. of course he had a booming enthusiastic applause. the world views these two leaders differently, no question, but as we sort of process and tick through other elements of the speech, i do think one headline as well is refugees. he talked about that and said the cost of resettling one refugee in the u.s. we can assist more than ten in their home region. again that is his view. the nationalist view of the trump side of the white house there, really speaking out against what many in his base, many evangelical support refugee resettlement. that is another issue we would be talking about a lot more if not for north korea and iran. on iran we are expecting this administration to reveal something about their strategy in october. they have to, of course. they have one more deadline. wolf, i think it s important to put in perspective. we heard candidate trump talk again and again about ripping up the iran nuclear agreement. he has found that it s much more difficult in office as he suggested on the campaign trail, so despite his tough rhetoric here and, indeed, there was tough rhetoric he suggested now might be the time to pull out of what he called a one-sided agreement. we still have to wait and see if he actually goes through with that and does that, wolf. yeah. he also really went after iran for supporting what he called radical islamic terror organizations. he specifically cited isis, al qaeda, hezbollah, the taliban, among others. there s a lot more to unpack, a lot more to assess. we re going to take a quick break. kate bolduan is standing by and she s going to resume our special coverage right after this. when i look in the mirror everyday. when i look in the mirror everyday. everyday, i think how fortunate i am. i think is today going to be the day, that we find a cure? i think how much i can do to help change 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the caribbean and headed right for puerto rico. hurricane maria. the storm that has already delivered a direct hit on the island of dominica as a category 5. now a brand new update has been put out by the national hurricane center and what it means for u.s. territories. cnn meteorologist chad myers with the new forecast. what are we seeing right now? the hurricane center just put out the 11:00 advisory, just minutes ago, and we are still at 160 miles per hour and the storm is still moving towards st. croix and puerto rico. the u.s. virgin islands and the british virgin islands still in the cone, so is puerto rico. the entire country, the entire territory, absolutely under the control of this category 4, maybe category 5 storm. here s puerto rico. 3.5 million americans live here. here it comes right along the shore. making landfall if the center of the cone is correct because the cone is getting smaller now, near palmos delmar. the area that will see the hardest wind damage, across the area as well, there is a national forest there. it is a rain forest. that will be damaged, but certainly not going to hit the populated area, let s say, if san juan was on the southeast coast. san juan is on the north coast. san juan is still going to have wind of 130 to 140 miles per hour. there will be weeks without power and may be weeks without water. this area, this territory, is certainly very much in danger of a life-threatening storm surge, a storm wind, and, of course, flooding with it. 15 inches of rainfall possible across parts of puerto rico will make mudslides and really more flash flooding because it is a very well-forested area. so this island is so forested we re not going to see the potential mudslides like we see in haiti where the deforestation has taken over so many of the land areas that mud comes down rather than water coming down. there is the storm right now. 160 miles per hour. we still have gusts to around 190. hurricane hunters are in the plane, are in the storm right now in their plane and they just found a 188-mile-per-hour wind gust about 700 feet off the ground. not the surface but 800 feet, 700 feet and that certainly some spots in the caribbean are well above that. there are spots in the d.r. that are, you know, 12,000, 10,000 feet high. the higher you go in a hurricane, mort the wind is, and there are plenty of spots there that are higher than sea level. kate? when it comes to places like puerto rico, i mean, you know, of course everyone is looking back in their hurricane history, but it s been something like more than over 80 years since a cat 4 or cat 5 has hit puerto rico. we don t know what could happen. no. 1932 was the last cat 4, 1928 the last cat 5. so much has happened from where there were 1.4 million people, now above 3.5 million people. the infrastructure and wires put up, the homes built, people living along the shore, a beautiful coast, why would you not want to live along the coast, that s the issue we re having now, where do we put these people, how do they get out of the way, but so many of these coastal homes and communities are not safe at this point. if you re talking about a ten foot storm surge, it is very, very important before nightfall to get into a safe place. no way to move tomorrow morning. category 5 is the latest update from the national hurricane center. chad myers is tracking all of it minute by minute. thank you so much. with puerto rico s 3.5 million people now in the cross hairs of hurricane maria the governor declared a state of emergency but is worried people aren t listening to the warnings. listen here. complacency worries me the most. some people might think might not really understand the magnitude of this hurricane or might think that it won t hit us as hard and all indications are that this is going to be devastating and catastrophic. this is going to be a very dangerous time and we want to make sure right now is recognize that infrastructure is going to be broken, but we need to focus on saving lives. absolutely right. let s go there right now as maria is heading that direction. nick valencia is in san juan with much more. what are you hearing from folks there? frantic last-minute preps are under way as people prepare for the worst of the storm to come. there s a lot of anxiety here, kate, among the residents, emotionally they ve been through so much. you see some of the sandbags at the hotel here has put up. check out how dark the clouds are now starting to get out there. it was about two hours ago we saw a rain wall form out there in the ocean. things have been slowly increasing, though. that wind has been sustained. i ll show you around the hotel where we re at. we ve been kicked off the beach because people are preparing for the worst. the governor giving a dire last-minute warning saying it s time to act right now. if you can get out, if you can evacuate, the time to act is now. the last-minute flights are under way. airports here close at 6:00 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. respectively so if you can afford it there is still time to catch last-minute flights. i mentioned the anxiety among residents. you have a territory here that still people here have no power. it s still noticeably damaged. you see roofs that are still damaged. you see people that are still struggling with the cleanup efforts. here we are about a week later after hurricane irma came through here and didn t give a direct hit to this island territory and now residents in this island territory are staring down at something that is expected to be much, much worse. kate? yeah. it must be exhausting the warnings coming out. no direct hit the last time, but this one is much more serious it seems for puerto rico. nick there is. thank you so much for following this throughout the day. we have a cnn exclusive we will bring in a moment. cnn has learned that u.s. government wiretapped president trump s former campaign chairman paul manafort. this is before and after the 2016 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all take new xyzal®. . now a cnn exclusive the u.s. government wiretapped the former trump campaign chairman paul manafort. sources are telling cnn. that surveillance according to sources took place before and after the election, as manafort emerged as a central figure in the russian medal election meddling investigation. to shimon and evan perez and pamela brown. lay it out for us. what have you learned? sources tell us, kate, that the fbi got permission from the surveillance court to monitor paul manafort before and after the election. this is an extraordinary step for the fbi to do such surveillance of a high-ranking campaign official and, of course, manafort is now at the center of the russian meddling probe. we re told there are intercepted communications that raise concerns about whether manafort was encouraging russians to help the campaign. other sources have told us that this intelligence was not conclusive. as you know special counsel bob mueller who s looking into this has been provided all these communications. what exactly do we mean by encouraging? we re told that fbi has communications, right, that these are talks between suspected russian operatives, relaying what they claimed were discussions with manafort, as well as communications involving manafort himself. none of this has amounted to what people consider a smoking gun in this investigation. there s still more work being done to determine whether there s a criminal violation here. manafort has previously denied he ever knowingly communicated with russian intelligence during the election, and he s also denied helping russiaens undermine u.s. interests. from your reporting we know he was under surveillance and then a period he was not and then under surveillance. do we know whether or not president trump spoke to manafort while he was under surveillance? what we ve been told by sources the time period under which manafort was under surveillance we re still talking early this year well after the campaign, and we ve learned from sources that manafort was talking to the president, that he and the president were communicating during that time. so it is possible that those conversations were collected. the new york times, shimon, flushes out some other details on the search and kind of what is followed. tell us about that. yeah. the new york times yesterday afternoon in its report said gave some interesting details about how the raid, the search took place inside manafort s home in virginia, which happened over the summer. you know, they describe how fbi agents who entered the home, picked the lock, in some raids sometimes they bust through the door, in this situation they picked the lock, they went through the house, manafort was sleeping, he was woken up, they searched him, and then they searched his home. they took photos of various suits, expensive suits is what the times says, they then took some materials in binder and copied some information on his computer, and most interestingly, probably, is that, you know, the times says that bob mueller s team, the special counsel s team, told him that he should be expected he should expect an indictment. all right. sh shimon a lot in there, thank you so much. so joining me now, jeffrey toobin is here, the former federal prosecutor and cnn senior legal analyst. so jeffrey, it s not every day, i think it s important to point out with all the details we have here, not every day that the former campaign chairman of a president is under federal surveillance and federal investigation. it s the only one i can think of was john mitchell who was president nixon s campaign manager who ultimately went to prison in watergate. so he was he was being wiretapped. he was being listened to. he was under surveillance for a period of time that was before and after the election. how serious is this? it s really serious and it s worth remembering, the fbi can t just wiretap anyone they want. they have to go to a judge and they have to present evidence that this person is a there is probable cause to believe that this person is involved somehow in counter intelligence, in aiding foreign intelligence services. that doesn t prove that they are, but it certainly suggests that the fbi had more than a hunch and they did it twice. so on two occasions they had enough evidence to persuade a judge to approve this kind of wiretap. as you heard, i was asking shimon about some of the reporting, some of the intelligence suggested that it appeared that manafort was encouraging russians to get involved, but it s unclear exactly what that means. what is the universal possibility when you hear that? it s very hard to delineate the entire universe of possibilities but remember, we do know that all the intelligence agencies agree that russia tried to help hillary clinton lose this election and donald trump win this election. whether it was efforts on facebook, whether it was wikileaks. the question at the heart of this investigation is, did anyone affiliated with the trump campaign encourage russia, participate with russia, in those efforts to help trump? that presumably is at the heart of what mueller is looking at. one of the many things that he is looking at at this very moment. stick with me. we re going to bring in to join the conversation a cnn legal analyst who conducted classified investigations of suspected foreign agents to the point that jeffrey was getting at, ash shah, to wiretap manafort investigators had to get a fisa warrant of course. what did they need to do, what did they need to show, what exactly did they need to say in order to convince a judge to go along? yeah. so i got fisa warrants when i was in the fbi and i can assure you it s very difficult. you just don t walk into a court and order a fisa. it s not a starbucks. so you have to actually have conducted an investigation for usually a period of many months, where you re getting whether it s intelligence from our agencies, maybe you re digging through their trash or conducting physical surveillance, you re gathering a lot of information in order to show a court that there s probable cause to believe that as jeffrey said, this person is knowingly acting on behalf of a foreign power and engaging in clandestine intelligence activity. so they are they are looking like they are spying on behalf of this foreign government. and what your intent is, what you re trying to convince the court is, that if you commence this electronic surveillance, again you are already using other techniques, we need to use the other technique because we believe that in these communications, we re going to get more foreign intelligence about what this foreign intelligence service is up to and how this person may be participating in it and potentially other people who are involved. because, you know, intelligence agencies are human source based services, just like our cia. they re recruiting people on the ground. you want to know who they re working with. also, human who are doing these investigations. i bring that up because you re back in your old post you were not blind to the world going on around you. would there be an extra level of scrutiny that would be offered or demanded for a fisa warrant for someone who is so closely linked to the president-elect or the president of the united states? absolutely. so in the fisa statute itself first of all, there is a broad provision that people, especially u.s. persons, cannot be surveilled based on solely first amendment activity and political activity is given some of the biggest protection under our first amendment. this is going to be something that is going to be looked at generally, anything associated with a political campaign, very carefully. then on top of that, you have an active, ongoing election. now look, the fbi has a very checkered past okay in the 70s they were doing some incredibly sketchy stuff involving political figures. they don t want to touch this with a ten foot pole if there s any doubt, especially when it goes to a court. there has to be that additional level. then they get to a court and the judge looking at this, now this judge has no skin in the game, this is an article 3 federal judge with life tenure who s going to be looking at this, that judge will give it an extra level of scrutiny of to make sure that, you know, this is the check on the executive branch on the fbi to say i want to make sure you re not up to something, you know, that you re not supposed to be doing. so i think at every level, particularly given the target, particularly given that, you know, there was an election that was under way, careful scrutiny. jeffrey, of course when you hear the word wiretap if you follow the news or the election or the president at all you know where everyone s mind goes, to the tweet that he put out in march that created such a problem for him and created so much confusion. does anything in this that you see coming out in this report, does anything that we ve learned now overnight and today, does anything contradict what the fbi and the justice department put out in their statements in response to the president s tweets, essentially saying they have no information that supports those tweets? right. the most important tweet that you re talking about is the one where he said, president obama had my wires tapped in trump tower. there is nothing in this report that suggests president obama had his wires tapped in trump tower. the only possibility it seems is that trump s voice was picked up on a wiretap of paul manafort s phone, somewhere, whether in trump tower that s something we don t know, right. on his cell phones or most taps are on cell phones, not land lines. so no, it is it does not vindicate this trump, this tweet by trump, earlier this year, and it is worth pointing out that then director comey, the department of justice more recently, have all said there was no the department of justice under jeff sessions says they do not. i think the statement was we confirm that there are no records related to wiretaps as described by the march 4th, 2017, tweets. which seems pretty categorical to me. give me your final thoughts. well, i think that there are tapes and so to the extent that there are associates of the trump campaign who have been captured in some of these communications we know that they are going in to some of these committees to talk and those committees those statements that they made can be prosecuted if they re false and they may be called to testify in front of a grand jury or become targets of mueller s investigation. so i think this changes the game a little bit in terms of both putting pressure on people who may have something to add and definitely on manafort. absolutely. because, you know and i think that he probably has way more information to give and the criminal angle that mueller is pursuing is i think intended to pressure him into providing more 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[ l vwho can turn the worldan jeton with her smile?s who can take a nothing day, and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile? well it s you girl, and you should know it. with each glance and every little movement you show it. you re gonna make it after all. it takes a long time to get to the top. you re gonna make it after all. but with america s best you re gonna make it after all. bumper-to-bumper limited you re gonna make it after all. warranty, the all-new volkswagen tiguan will be there every step ow! of the way. at the top of the hour, senate republicans will be meeting behind closed doors for their weekly lunch. the lunch not a surprise. i don t know the menu. i can t tell you. the topic is a last-ditch effort to pass an overhaul of obamacare called the graham cassidy bill, graham and cassidy came on this show to unveil their plans here just over the summer. but since then, the effort didn t really go anywhere or did it? speaker paul ryan is calling it the best last chance for republicans to fulfill their seven-year campaign promise to repeal obamacare. but the clock, it always is on capitol hill, is ticking on this one in a big way. cnn s brian nobles is on capitol hill watching all the movement here. ryan, what are you hearing right now? are the votes there? kate, if this seems like a report we did for you about a month ago, that s because it s exactly the case. in fact, you could probably you find one of those and hit play and we would be in the same spot. we re in a razor thin margin so fun for you to do it again. exactly. we re essentially at a razor thin margin here of republicans trying to push through another health care reform bill. this one slightly different than the one that they presented about two months ago, but again, essentially it s the same group of players that we re keeping an eye on. right now, our whip count is pretty fluid. a whole bunch of senators who remain in the undecided camp. only one senator, senator rand paul of kentucky, is an outright no, but the other senators that voted no in the past, senator john mccain, senator susan collins, they are definitely in the leaning no camp right now trying to be won over by the supporters of this bill, lindsey graham and bill cassidy. others like lisa murkowski of alaska is cautious in her approach, wants to see the bill play out before making a definitive decision. the big difference here is we may not get a full score from the congressional budget office for several weeks, until after the september 30th deadline which is crucial to the passage of this bill which means a lot of sthors will be flying senators will be flying blind as far as the impact of this bill long term but they are trying to convince them they know their numbers are strong, this is a viable alternative, it will be better for their individual states because of the flexibility this is going to allow states in terms of block grants and they believe that they can evenly push this over the finish line. like it was two months ago, it is going to be very close. it is going to be very close and it s going to be very close because not only the timeline but what is in the bill. it is similar, but it is not the same from the bills that have been proposed and pushed and failed in the past. lay it out. what s in this bill and what s different this time and very much the same? let s talk about what s the same and one of the reasons they will have hard time pushing it through because it is pretty much a wholesale repeal of obamacare. it will get rid of things like the individual mandate which is a core tenant of obamacare. it s going to keep in place some of the tax credits that made obamacare what it is. now what it does do, which is slightly different, is takes the bulk of this funding and wraps it up into individualized block grants issued to the states and that will give the governors some level of control as to how they will issue their medicare payments. now the reason they re making this pitch to these individual governors because they feel that there s a funding imbalance right now in terms of medicare, especially through obamacare, where there s a small group of states, highly populated states, that are getting the bulk of the funding. the pitch they re making to a senator like dean heller who is, of course was on the fence and a no vote at one point that nevada would do better under this plan and the thought being if you put it in the hands of the governors they will be able to make easier decisions for their individual citizens. of course, the problem is, kate, there are still medicare cuts in this bill. that s one of the reasons that susan collins of maine has been reluctant to get behind in and democrats still feel these core tenants of the bill that rip away the things that they feel were important in obamacare are now gone and that s one of the reasons that if this is going to get done, it s going to be done with all republican support. keep in mind, kate, even if we get it through the senate, even if it passes through the senate of 50 votes, it then has to go to the house and will likely not be able to be changed so the members of the house will have to vote on it as is if they want to pass it and right now we have no idea what rank and file members of the house feel about this bill as it currently stands. we have no idea on a whole lot of front os fronts and not a lot of time. thank you so much. all right. let s talk about it. joining me cnn commentators and analysts former republican senator and presidential candidate rick santorum here, doug high the former deputy chief of staff, ryan fowler a former spokesman for hillary clinton s campaign and kirsten powers is here. senator, i must start with you because you were very much involved in the conception of this health care plan. no matter how great the policy is, in your mind, there is a very important thing that is missing as ryan pointed out. the official score from the official score keeper of legislation, the cbo. why are you okay with them moving ahead with a vote without knowing the full impact. first off, cbo has communicated to the republican sponsors of the bill they will have a score in time for there to be a score before the final vote. so i think we re pretty confident that will be the case. let s just be honest, there s really two chunks to this bill. one as mentioned before, is the per capita cap on medicaid scored by cbo and there really aren t any substantive changes to it and that score is known and out there and been there for months. the other part is a block grant that takes the money from all the obamacare taxes, the only taxes that are repealed under this are the taxes on employers and individuals because of the individual and employee/employer mandate and the medical device tax. it s about $250 billion in taxes. it s not small, but it s all related to the employer and employee mandate. the rest is block grants to the state. let s be honest, how difficult it is to score a block grant that says this is the money every state is going to get. so there really isn t a whole lot of question here about how much money this will cost. it s pretty laid out in the bill and that s why we re fairly confident cbo will get a score. kirsten, something similar was said by senator ron johnson, one of the now sponsors of the bill. he said it this morning for our viewers, listen to this. cbo takes so long, this is actually pretty simple. we re taking $1.2 trillion of obamacare funding and we re pretty well attaching to the senate health care bill which has already been scored and doesn t take a rocket scientist to kind of add those two figures up and give us the score we need to actually vote on this, but cbo is cbo and they re saying they need weeks. i reject that notion and think we can decide based on the information we already have. do you think that s going to be good enough for skeptical republicans? well, i think susan collins is going to be the main one who has been concerned about the cbo score, right. so i mean we re only talking about a few people here basically rand paul, john mccain, susan and lisa murkowski. these are people who have been skeptical. mccain seems to be moving in the direction of the bill because his governor of arizona has endorsed it. you still have, you know, rand paul seems pretty entrenched and that leaves collins and murkowski and collins has been very clear . the rest of the people don t seem to care that much about the cbo scores because they got bad scores and they seemed okay. i call them bad in the sense that people will lose their health insurance. for republicans that s not the concern. the concern is not about universal coverage. it s about sending it back to the states and letting the states decide what they want to do. what are they going to do with the block grants and what that means in terms of people being covered by health insurance. the voices in my head say you are shaking your head. i can t believe that are republicans are considering going ahead with this. you don t make a sequel to a movie that bombed at the box office. it had a 17% approval rating and this is worse than the original. the cbo said they might be able to examine some of the impacts, but they are unlikely to publish a number of how many people will lose coverage under this new proposal. that is the critical number. this bill is not following regular order. if john mccain is going to be consistent for why he voted against the bill last time, he should be voting no. they are doubling down on cuts to medicate. people like lisa murcowski and susan colins and states that expanded medicate populations will see deeper cuts and those states that have done the right thing by accepting federal funds to cover low income populations. i didn t think it was popular to have a bill that was less popular than that over the summer. they are making it here. with all due respect, brian, as someone who drafted the bill and can tell you the details, you are wrong. it s not rocket science. can you tell us as you are sitting here today how many peel will lose coverage? is it 22 million like the bast bill? brian, other than the money that is taken out because of the employer mandate, all the other money is going out to the states. if the states want to put an employer mandate and the state of california wants to do an employer and individual mandate, they can. what does it mean? california would get a lot of their money back. they don t have to put up a 10% match. you didn t mention that. our bill doesn t require them to put up a 10% match to get their funds. if you allow me to finish. secondly, we also allow for 15 and up to 2915 and 20% of the second block grant that was obamacare spending to be used to help the basic medicaid program. states will have a flexibility if there is a shortfall, they can use money from the other block grant that doesn t require a match. medicate does require it to be able to help out. they will have flexibility to be able to deal with both of the populations. there is less money, yes. some states like massachusetts and california and oregon, about five or six straights that are very high cost and expensive medicaid states will get less money under the bill. almost every other state will do better? they run more efficient programs. what are about louisiana? louisiana will be fine. hold on a second. let me bring in doug on this. one of the things that we heard from senator who is haven t been able to say where they land is that they need to learn more. they need to learn more about the bill. they need to know more about the bill. i do wonder, is there some benefit to the fact that the country has not been talking about this health care plan and been very focused. the news cycle and the elected officials, the white house, everyone has been distracted, if you will, and focused elsewhere, but not on health care. north korea, hurricanes. is there a benefit that the eyes of the country may not be on this debate to getting this through? i think the eyes of the country have been on the health care debate for seven years now. we have been heard that republicans have been unable to do anything. they are right. i think this is an elvis presley moment for republicans right now. it is now or never. we have a september 30th deadline and we tried to do things in the past and failed. in 2014 when i worked on repeal and replace. it s now or never on a 50 vote. it s not now or never on getting something done. you need to deal with the regular order which is a 60 vote threshold. i don t have high hopes on anything bipartisan, but we can talk about the hillary 2008 campaign was a terrible movie. we had grown ups and grown ups two. this happens in politics all the time. if you are republicans and have been campaigning on this for seven years, this is the time to act. if you are a republican senator and didn t like the things in this bill and previous renditions and you will be expected to vote for it in this bill, that can be a tough pill to swallow. what do you say to rand paul who said this is obamacare that redistributes the money. i have something momentarily that responds to rand paul in great detail. give us a preview. the preview is that rand paul said this doesn t repeal obamacare. what doesn t it repeal? they are right. the medicaid expansion goes away. we repeal medicaid expansion at the end of 2019. the tax credits and the cost share reduction payments to insurance companies go away. the mandate to buy insurance goes away. the mandate for employers goes away. all of these things, everything that obamacare is goes away and is repeal and replaced by a system that says we are going to equally apportion money based on 50 to 138% of pof effort tow every state. california s poor people will get the same amount of money as new hampshire. that s a fair system and not what obamacare is today. still are the votes there? no one has the answer to that. thank you very much. coming up for us, all eyes on hurricane maria after the storm devastated islands already in its path in the hard hit caribbean. where is maria headed next. it is a category five still. patrick woke up with back pain.