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d.c. have noticed a few sealed cases from, that involved the special counsel's office. one of them intriguingly went today to the court of appeals. so it is perceived that there is a holding in the district court, and proceeded to the court of appea appeals, and it must be involve some sort of subpoena battle, because that is going to make it sealed under the rules, because it is grand jury material. is it trump? i tend not to think so, because as kristen says, this is first playing out at the level of the questions which as expected were fairly useless in their responses. of course mueller will need more and there is no substitute for eye-to-eye spontaneous questions. and the parry back from team trump and giuliani is that it is impossible for president to obstruct justice and so therefore we don't have to answer. that is the position that i don't think that it will h hold up if it goes to court, and
if they do, though, of course mueller could try to bring indictments. he could test that possibility. or mueller could do a report, maybe a ken starr-style, you know, potboiler report that might be made public. or mueller could deliver the findings of the grand jury to congress to form the basis of impeachment proceedings against the president or vice president if the findings of the grand jury, the evidence uncovered by the grand jury warrants that. and now as of today for the first time in u.s. history we can see what the historical precedent would be for mueller doing just that. if mueller followed this road map from the watergate era and made this kind of report to congress, obviously with the republican congress presumably we'd never see the report again. but with a democratic congress, whole different ball game. elections in six days. (pirate girl) ahoy!!!!! (excited squeal, giggling/panting) gotcha! (man) ah! (girl) nooooooooooooo!
it is, of course, possible that the mueller investigation and the grand jury he's working with, it's totally possible they will find no wrongdoing whatsoever to the president or vice president. if they do, though, of course mueller could try to bring indictments. he could test that possibility. or mueller could do a report, maybe a ken starr-style, you know, potboiler report that might be made public. or mueller could deliver the findings of the grand jury to congress, to form the basis of impeachment proceedings against the president or vice president if the findings of the grand jury, the evidence uncovered by the grand jury, warrants that. and now, as of today, for the first time in u.s. history we can see what the historical precedent would be for mueller doing just that. if mueller followed this road map from the watergate era and made this kind of report to congress, obviously with the republican congress, presumably, we'd never see the report again. but with a democratic congress,
>> and implicate president trump in those things. evan, you also have some new reporting tonight on the state of the mueller investigation. repeated meetings between his team and paul manafort, also about when mueller might issue his report. what are you hearing? >> well, yeah. so, this is supposed to be a quiet hearing because we're leading up to the midterm elections in november, but behind the scenes, the mueller team has been very busy. they brought in the paul manafort for at least nine interviews, hours that they've spent with the special counsel's office now getting information from paul manafort. we don't know exactly what he's provided, but we know that among the questions he's being asked is about interactions with russians over the years, and so that goes, obviously, in addition to the cooperation that we now are seeing from michael cohen, we know that behind the scenes talks have intensified between the special counsel's office and the mueller -- and the president's legal team. they've now received questions that they're trying to provide written answers to the take home
midterms? >> they've got a lot to talk about. and that's the kind of intense interaction you're going to have when you're a cooperator. there's nothing you can hold back. they're going to ask everything you possibly know. i think it's interesting with this much grand jury activity, though, as evan is pointing out, it seems like they'd be hard pressed to do a final report even that quickly on that timetable, so it's possible there's going to be more than one report. i mean, i suppose there even could be some sort of interim report, but it just seems like there's a lot of activity going on to actually finalize something. i think it's a little bit of a victory if the president does not have to submit to that interview. i think that's something his legal team has been working very hard to avoid, and so i mean, that might be a bit of a kudos to them that they avoided that, but of course mueller's report is then free to say that the president wouldn't meet with us so this is what we have and then the president's free to spin it to say, we would have wanted to meet with them, but they weren't reasonable. >> and julie, obviously, the president's legal team, rudy giuliani included, talking about how much they want this to wrap
up so i guess if they hear that report's going to be issued after the midterms, they might be happy about it but then they hear that nine visits between manafort and mueller, that wouldn't fill me with confidence. >> they've been eager for this to wrap up as soon as possible for more than a year and had been telling the president as early as last year at this time that it's just around the corner, thanksgiving maybe, and you know, here we are a year later. i think for sure, they want this tom to an end but there are still so many unknowns. evan's right. it's been a quiet period. they've been quieter than unusual on the mueller team because of the approach of the midterms but that also means that apart from the back and forth that giuliani and the rest of the legal team are having on the president's actual answers to questions that they're submitting, they don't really know what they're dealing with, so they're seeing things like that, that manafort is extensively cooperating with the investigation, and they're wondering what more is going to come forth. and also, whether it's going to be the final word, whether what we see in november potentially or december is going to be the beginning or the end. >> right. >> and that's the important part
test that we always talk about, and then there's people associated with roger stone who have come in, they have been subpoenaed, some of them have been having talks about providing more information as well as we are team that sits at the courthouse has seen multiple interactions between the mueller team and the judges that oversee the grand jury to try to make sure, you know, whatever testimony they're trying to line up. so, we know that there's a ton of activity coming that this seems to indicate that after the midterms, the mueller team is going to gear up with additional indictments. we expect that a report will be sent up to rod rosenstein, the deputy attorney general, perhaps in december. we don't know, obviously, when exactly mueller will report whatever he has to report, but we're going to -- we're expecting, jake, at least november and december to be extremely busy. >> just to be clear, nine meetings between mueller and manafort? nine since this conviction? >> exactly. >> what do you make of that, nine meetings and a pending report possibly after the
what went on here. this stonewalling isn't about the doj. it's about protecting mueller and allowing his harassing investigation of the trump presidency to continue. judge jeanine: in the "new york times" article from today, it looks like someone is panicking. trying to make it look to don mcghan that donald trump is framing you and teeing you up for the fall. do we know how the dossier got from steele to the fbi? >> it looks like it went through bruce ohr. it looks like it also may have come through the state department through people week sidney blumenthal and that gang. the dossier in many ways has a thousand favorites all associated with the clinton campaign. you can't -- of course mueller
what went on here. this stonewalling isn't about the doj. it's about protecting mueller and allowing his harassing investigation of the trump presidency to continue. judge jeanine: in the "new york times" article from today, it looks like someone is panicking. trying to make it look to don mcghan that donald trump is framing you and teeing you up for the fall. do we know how the dossier got from steele to the fbi? >> it looks like it went through bruce ohr. it looks like it also may have come through the state department through people week sidney blumenthal and that gang. the dossier in many ways has a thousand favorites all associated with the clinton campaign. you can't -- of course mueller
what went on here. this stonewalling isn't about the doj. it's about protecting mueller and allowing his harassing investigation of the trump presidency to continue. judge jeanine: in the "new york times" article from today, it looks like someone is panicking. trying to make it look to don mcghan that donald trump is framing you and teeing you up for the fall. do we know how the dossier got from steele to the fbi? >> it looks like it went through bruce ohr. it looks like it also may have come through the state department through people week sidney blumenthal and that gang. the dossier in many ways has a thousand favorites all associated with the clinton campaign. you can't -- of course mueller