donald trump jr. released a string of is these during the presidential campaign. this follows a report about these exchanges. though most of the communications were one sided, trump junior did interact on a number of occasions. wikileaks told him, quote, a the r.a.c. is a recycled pro-iraq war pac. we have guessed the password, it is putintrump. done responded, off the record, i don t know who that is boo but i ll ask around, according to te atlantic he did ask around, including trump s son-in-law jared kushner, telling them wikileaks had reached out. we don t know in what context he was saying that, but kushner forwarded that e-mail onto hope hicks. in a separate exchange, done junior reached out october 23rd asking wikileaks about an impending release writing what s behind the wednesday leak i keep reading about? wikileaks didn t respond, but just four days later it released john podesta s e-mails on the same day as you ll recall the u.s. intelligence community condemned russia for using wikileaks to release the stolen e-mails. even is it that, wikileaks reached out again suggesting done junior tweet out a link to his formals to search the leaked podesta e-mails. john jury tweeted out this. for those who had the time to read about the hypocrisy, all the wikileaks e-mails are right here. and he included the link that wikileaks had given him. pam, explain what the campaign was saying about wikileaks during this time period. so wikileaks was communicating with done junior. and behind the scenes, done junior tweeted out the link. mike pence said on fox news the campaign was not in cahoots with wikileaks. take a listen. final question about wikileaks, and that is some suggested on the left that all this bad stuff about hillary, nothing p.a. bad about trump. but your campaign is in a ka hoots with wikileaks. nothing could be further from the truth. i think all of us have, you know, have concerns about wikileaks over the years, and it s just the reality of america. life today and the wider world, but it doesn t change the fact that you see the national media chasing after unstanchuated allegations. so just in the last hour, the have the s spokesperson released a statement that reads the vice president was never aware of anyone associated with the campaign being in contact with wikileak wikileaks. donald trump jr. released these exchanges tonight after the atlantic story broke. any more reaction from him or his legal team? his attorney did release a at the same time before he actually released these exchanges. his attorney said we can say with confidence we have no concerns about these documents and any concerns about them have been easily answered in the appropriate forum. as you ll recall, done junior went behind cloed doors with the judiciary committee. at that time they did not have these exchanges. but someone asked him have you ever had communications with wikileaks, and the source familiar says he applied, yes, i have, and then talked about these messages. after that, the direct messages were handed over to congress. pamela brown, thank you very much. this reporting about donald trump jr., what does it tell you, and does it surprise you that donald trump jr. was willing to direct message with somebody he didn t know on the other side of a direct message from wikileaks weather, it was julian assange and think he s having off-the-record discussions? for a businessman, doesn t that just seem moronic? it takes your breath away, anderson. when i read the story earlier theengs, i was shaking my head. i have actually defaulted to the explanation of inexperience and naïveté when it comes to some of the campaign s behavior with regard to russia and wikileaks. there s probably still a fair amount of that, but i have to tell you, these continued discovers and particularly this one, i have to begin to ask the question were there any limits? was there any sense of appropriateness? was there any sense of propriety? were there any lines beyond which the campaign would not go? i m not talking about it as a legal matter. i ve got no expertise on that. i m asking a question of ethics and american political culture. and there doesn t seem to have been any limits here. the fact that according to the atlantic on october 12th, wikileaks reaches out to donald trump jr. thanking him for his father, saying something nice about them. i think he said i love wikileaks at rally, and suggesting his dad tweeted a link with the podesta e-mails, donald trump jr. doesn t respond, but 15 minutes later from the time the message is evidence is, donald trump sr. tweets. and then two days later trump junior tweets out the very link the wikileaks asked him to tweet out. is it possible it s a coincidence that 15 minutes after wikileaks tweets his son that his father does it? to answer your question specifically, is it possible? sure. i suppose that s possible. do i believe that to be the case? i don t think so. there are two things that come out. one from the wikileaks side. very important, anderson. they are quite clear they are in this business to support the donald trump campaign. there s no other purpose revealed in the wikileaks side of the exchange of communications. and then there are several examples in your time line, the one you just brought up being one of them, certainly examples where the campaign clearly synchronized its actions with the actions of wikileaks. wikileaks even then was known to be hostile to the united states and has already been pointed out in your show tonight. mike pompeo has declared it to be a hostile nonstate intelligence service. this is the third person associated with the trump team that reportedly reached out to wikileaks. roger stone said he was communicating with cambridge an lit ca. maybe collusion with a small c in the political cultural sense. anderson, let s be very candid. the campaign was talking to wikileaks about stolen goods, stolen american privacy. wikileaks had e-mails for which they were not the intended recipient. someone stole them and now we re going to violate american privacy and the campaign was, frankly, excited about that, the continuous quote during the campaign, i love wikileaks. marco rubio pointed out during the campaign that s not a good idea. we re going to regret saying that someday, and i think he s right. if the october 12th communication where wikileaks said your dad should tweet this thing out and 15 minutes later donald trump sr. tweets out basically saying the dishonest media isn t paying attention, if you believe that donald trump jr. contacted his dad or was with his dad and said, oh, wikileaks is pushing this, then the idea that donald trump jr. did not contact his dad after sitting with a russian attorney allegedly from the kremlin informing donald trump jr. that the kremlin is supporting his dad s campaigns and has date of birth on hillary clinton, the idea that he doesn t tell his father that seems hard to believe if one believes that he did tell his father 15 minutes after wikileaks texted him. added evidence to that, the current president, the candidate at that time made a reference during that time period about making the speech within a week that would reveal an awful lot of dirt on hillary clinton, so there s more truly circumstantial evidence that there was synchronization between the campaign and wikileaks. remember, this was a group wikileaks whose leader was likely already under indictment in the united states of america for what he had done previously with american secrets. i have to ask you about the president s comments that both were sympathetic to vladimir putin s point of view calling three officials at the time political hacks. you were concerned about president trump had to say that you actually called the cia, your former agency to confirm they stood by their assessment about russia and the 2016 election. yeah, anderson, i suspected that somebody from the network would call me and i wanted to have a view. and i really wanted to be able to say the agency stood by the intelligence community assessment. so i contacted them early saturday morning and very quickly they responded very clearly the agency and director pompeo stood by the assessment that the russians did it. the president walked that back a little bit the next day, but you know, anderson, at the end of that exchange he said he has faith in the intelligence community as currentlily constituted, and that statement burned up most of the good will that the front end of the president s statement created when he said i believe american intelligence. general hayden, appreciate your time. now the panel. ana in ana, what do you make of these communications? it makes you ask the question what does mueller know we still don t know? every single day a shoe seems to drop. it s hard to justify done junior didn t tell his father about the meeting. donald trump was in that tower the same day the meeting occurred. the fact that he tweeted 15 minutes after his son got that tweet makes people question whether or not that was accurate. also remember wikileaks came across as an objective news site. we got from these direct messages with don junior that why doesn t he release tax returns through us so we can put it out so it did you want look like we re pushing anti-hillary clinton stuff that we re against both candidates at times. they contact with donald trump jr. after the meeting breaks saying i m sorry for what you re going through, why don t you give us your e-mails, we ll put them out, and that will help us, make us look more credible, but donald trump jr. ignores that. exactly. what i would really focus on as well is how quickly the vice president s office responded. back in june he hired his personal attorney. this is second time that he said something hast not true. within an hour you hear a response from him. he has his own attorney that he hired in june with regards to any matters related to the russia investigation. he s taking this seriously. we re just waiting for the president to respond as well. was this smart for donald trump jr. to be in communications with wikileaks? we re talking about speculation. let s wait for the facts to bear out. it s important for mueller to conduct his investigation. was that smart? if i was in communication i would tell people. which he did. he sent out the e-mail and it just continued. doesn t show donald trump was being proactive. that s not a direct. i think he sends it to kellyanne conway and steve bannon. you want to disclose when someone comes forward with information that s suspect. no one called kauld the fbi. that s their vetting campaign? you have question their judgment sfwluf to question the information that came in, but you have to acknowledge the fact that don did triefrl, reach out to senior management and say these people are reaching out to me. and the manager goes from there. he continued to communicate with them. he was communicating events, news of the day. that conversation had been in the news for two days. he s not going to disclose what s in the common thread of the conversation. brian? you worked on campaigns. does this make sense to you? one damning revelation does not a criminal case make. the trump tower meeting itself isn t going to produce an indictment. the bad facts are piling up. the territory available for trump defenders to make a case is shrinking by the day. this is another clear indication of the campaign s willingness to collude. donald trump jr. is eager to engage in this chain with wikileaks. it s fluctuation the campaign s actions. donald trump jr. is basically taking orders about his twitter activity, not to mention the candidate himself touting wikileaks in the moments after this tweet was received. it widens the circle of people potentially indicated. so all those people i suspect they ve been brought into the grand jury or given an interview already. the circle has widened, the more of these bad facts that come out, they re only incriminating, not exculpatory. it suggests they have a lot to hide. jason, does it feel to you like every now and then we learn more and more about communications that donald trump jr. had? when mueller who has access to all the e-mails, what else there might be? i feel like we re viewing everything that happened in 2016 through a 2017 lens. when we re talking about these dates, there was a lot of back and forth and people weren t sure who was behind the wikileaks. one of the things to keep in mind, you get an outreach from wikileaks, these guys clearly have a lot of tactics and techniques they re using online. you don t want to miss these guys off, so you wouldn t want to go and blow them off, fine, i ll check and play nice. why would you pick a fight with wikileaks in that moment when you know they re involved with all this stuff. at that point in the campaign, the only thing we had seen with the fbi is they were basically, from the view of the campaign, seemed like they were in secretary clinton s pocket. he went that happened with the fbi and the doj with loretta lynch, that didn t seem like the safest place to go. i m on twitter and i got direct messages from people i don t know. you don t have to respond. you don t have to i m sure some nice people or nasty people have reached out to me. you can just ignore them. if you get an e-mail from wikileaks and you re not a reporter, you re on a campaign, and there s stuff floating out there, it s not an we didn t have to respond. he couldn t just pretend, sorry, wikileaks, i never got your message. and then he can t he can mute them. at one point he said what is this news of a potential leak i m hearing about. it went beyond it didn t seem like a relationship he was trying to develop or foster. through all of this there s nothing that don junior did illegal here. i m not seeing anything that was at all illegal and i haven t heard in fact panelists or experts that have come on seems like he s getting unfairly beat. up you would want a guy running an international business to be responding to anonymous people who are direct messaging him and telling them this conversation s off the record? for a guy who s in international business, i know nothing about business, i couldn t run the cooperation he runs, that seems moronic to me. that goes to your earlier point that they viewed themselves as a news agency, otherwise that s why he let me tell you how republicans viewed julian assange, they viewed him as a traitor and a national security threat. this is the part that board they the most. we knew about russia that they re dr. dao trying to tear america apart, race, everything. and the part where they direct message don junior and say if your dad loses it would be nice if he didn t concede and challenged the media and other types, saying that the game was rigged. what they re trying to do, like russian cutout, i don t know how directly involved russia is, but it seals like this could have been very bad for america if trump lost and refused to concede. it would have torn the country apart even more. later, the growing calls from washington republicans for their senate candidate in alabama, roy moore to leave the race. each year sarah climbs 58,007 steps. that s the height of mount everest. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home. even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl s orthotics. clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with every step she takes. so keep on climbing, sarah. you re killing it. dr. scholl s. born to move. it can detect a threat using ai, and respond 60 times faster. it lets you know where your data lives, down to the very server. it keeps your insights from prying eyes, so they re used by no one else but you. it. is. the cloud. the ibm cloud. the cloud that s designed for your data. ai ready. secure to the core. the ibm cloud is the cloud for business. yours. my hygi.a mouthwash.o try. so i tried crest. it does so much more than give me fresh breath. crest pro-health mouthwash provides all. .of these benefits to help you get better dental check-ups. go pro with crest mouthwash. checkup? 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i would say this. less than two weeks ago you had senator feinstein asked does she collusion and her answer was no. so we have a lot of conjecture and slopness on the campaign. when we have one of the top intelligence persons of the democratic party saying she says no clurks i tend to believe her. it s a lot of noise, a lot of mistakes were made, but nothing to the point where it s criminal and nothing to the point where a democratic senator sees collusion. that s powerful and thagz that gets lost in this conversation. david said it s going to be harder and harder for wikileaks to adjust itself as a credible news organization. you see they were, in fact, rooting for donald trump and giving him advice as to what to do so they would look more objective and dish on both sides. throughout all of this wikileaks said they had not taken or colluded or been involved with russia at all and pushing forward any e-mails it s harder and harder to justify them and take them seriously given what we ve seen. e-mails forwarded to hope hicks during the campaign, she was with candidate trump all the time, wasn t she? when lewandowski was running the campaign, it would be the candidate, lewandowski and hicks. is that in order to get an e-mail to candidate trump at the time? frequently hope would be traveling with the president, but i don t know on that particular day where people were or if that was to give her a heads up in case there s a media inquiry. to the point brian made about the conjecture, it s even more than the last couple weeks. over this past year there s been an investigation into this so-called collusion between the campaign and a foreign entity. there s still no proof anyone on the campaign was colluding. mike pence has come out twice, he s been prodded out to be like the kindly face of this and say i can t believe, the media is going after this thing going down at a rabbit hole. an hour later he comes out saying we had no idea about this report. we just learned about it from this report. apparently they believe this report because they re responding to it. given how little we know about the mueller probe, we know there s at least one guilty plea and one cooperate helping the federal investigators working this case. they ve succeed based on the evidence they revealed from the guilty plea in pegging the time line. that opens up possibilities of what may have unfurled itself. there s plenty of evidence to believe the white house perceives an increasing athlete. we re learning jeff sessions considering appointing a special prosecutor to distract and fire up the fog machine. roy moore, the white house itself, two white house officials floating the possibility of jeff sessions retaking his senate seat. i can t imagine that part of the motive is not to get jeff sessions out of doj and bring a attorney general in there that can disrupt the investigation. a new woman accusing roy moore of sexual abuse speaking out today. also the list of lawmakers on capitol hill saying he shouldn t bow out of the race is growing. we ll cover that when we continue. i don t want to sound paranoid, but d ya think our recent online sales success seems a little. strange? 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and the assistance not a lot. i was talking to operatives trying to get a sense of what their end game is and the hope the clearly that roy moore drops out. there s also talk of write-in campaigns, people like luther strange, perhaps jeff sessions who s made clear he s not interested in it through associates of his. so what is the actual end game? one republican operative texted back to me question marks. seems unlikely he would drop out at this point given his public statements. could the same senators refuse to seat him should he got re-elected? the most dynamic statement of the entire day, cory gardener putting out a statement saying clearly if roy moore wins his election that he shouldn t be expelled. others said hold on, let s wait and see how this plays out. but the fact that cory gardener put this as an option, made it clear they re exploring every option. only 15 senators in the history of the chamber have ever been expelled. senate ethics committee would have to start an investigation, then 2/3 of all senators would have to vote for it. so it s not an easy process. all republican support has completely flown away, anderson. more on the latest accuser with allegations of sexual misconduct, she showed a yearbook she claims he signed, plus our panel s take on all this ahead. it s a lot easier to make decisions when you know what comes next. if you move your old 401(k) to a fidelity ira, we make sure you re in the loop at every step from the moment you decide to move your money to the instant your new retirement account is funded. oh and at fidelity, you ll see how all your investments are working together. because when you know where you stand, things are just clearer. just remember what i said about a little bit o soul senators on capitol hill. it s horrific for the republican party in a bunch of ways. first of all, what is this republican party now? grand old pedophiles? they should have been embarrassed by roy moore a long time ago when he was saying horrific homophobic things. he should have been an embarrassment. this is absolutely unacceptable. i am glad to see republican leaders are coming out trying to distance themselves from him and doing everything they can to cut off the stringing. it s a little lately. at school a big problem for the republican party because it shows the rift, the civil war, which side exist within the republican party. we are seeing washington republicans are saying one thing and weir seeing people in alabama, republicans still defending, even evangelicals defending him. comparisons to mary and joseph and lawnmowers. this is crazy. thr this should be about basic right and wrong. this should not be about base versus establishment. this should be about protecting women, 14, 15, 16 year old girls. you can thank steve bannon and he lost with ed gillespie. i m not thanking him for a damn thing. nationally speaking, they were pretty quick to disavow this. mitch mcconnell as the majority leader came out, said he believed the women. and i think it was a smart move politically. obviously it was the right thing morally, but with politically speaking this is triage. if this is going to happen in alabama, keen it in beach. we don t want this spreading. i think they ve probably stemmed the bleeding or kept it in alabama. if he gets elected, they re faced with what to do. i think you re right it was important for them to say i believe these women instead of if, in fact, it happened. we need to hear from the president. his excuse is i m traveling overseas. and official statement was he shouldn t step down if, in fact, this did happen, but i think he needs to be more definitive. this is not an issue they don t want to focus on. the president is going to have to be talking and addressing this too. i can t agree with you more. if someone can make a difference in alabama, it s probably donald trump. i suspect that a lot of people are saying to donald trump you really shouldn t weigh into this, god knows you have your share when it comes to this topic, but he shouldn bill clinton right side. i was thinking there was no chance that moore was going to get into the u.s. senate and all these national politicians started saying who you should and shouldn t pick. gloria allred comes sprinting out with a press conference. i don t want that to step on the lady s story, which is very compelling and heart breaking to see that note in the yearbook makes you want to throw up, but there s nothing that s going to make the people of alabama rally. i talked to somebody whork worked on his campaign saying i want to volunteer for that reason. the proper course is normally a criminal trial. we ve been robbed of that opportunity so we have a political trial which is election day. seeing that woman on tv recount her experiences was gut wrenching. it very much reminds me of when teena teenage prostitutes six years ago that was brought up and nobody called on him to step down. why does hypocrisy exist here. those prostitutes recanted the story. can we stop this what aboutism? bob melendez is on trial. not for these charges. he s going to have to deal with the asks. moorose fate is up to the alabama voters now. you nervous? why people everywhere are upgrading their water filter to zerowater. start with water that has a lot of dissolved solids. pour it through brita s two-stage filter. dissolved solids remain? what if we filter it over and over? (sighing) oh dear. thank goodness zerowater s five-stage filter gets to all zeroes the first time. so, maybe it s time to upgrade. get more out of your water. get zerowater. she says she s close friends with the mother of leigh corfman. corfman told the washington post that four decades ago the then 32-year-old roy moore had sexual contact with her when she was 14 years old. she learned of this decades ago from corfman s mother. and in the 90s nancy confided in me and told me the story that was printed in the newspaper in confidence. i never said it. i never told anybody because it was in confidence. but because of that i knew i would never vote for the man. how did you vote in the primary? i voted republican for roy moore. carol cal list is a registered republican too. what happens on december 12th? before i m a republican, i m a mother of daughters. i can t vote for him now. i just can t. she says she s known leigh corfman for years as well, but says she never knew until the washington post published its story about corfman and three other women. those three women told the post that moore in his 30s pursued them as teenagers between the ages of 16 and 18. for me reading it in the newspaper and realizing that i truly knew two of these people and knew their mothers and all of a sudden they weren t rumors anymore. my heart broke. it s a devastating feeling to think what those individuals have gone through all these years, not feel they could speak up. by a show of hands, how many of you think roy moore will be elected to the u.s. senate? . none of you think he s going to win? no. that may be wishful thinking on their part. it s absolutely unbelievable. supporters in his home state cheered as moore denied the allegations. we spoke to numerous women voters in alabama who say they still support him, but amid the allegations that moore pursued minors, they were reluctant to say so publicly. joyce shelly is the exception. i ve been knowing roy moore a long, long, long time. i m talking about probably fort years. have you heard anything like this about him. never. we spoke outside the county attorney house where moore was an assistant district attorney. on december 12th when your state goes to the ballot box, who is going to win this election? i still think roy moore will. why do you believe that? i just know he understands a lot of people and a lot of people feel the same way i do. the women you spoke to, what did they say about the possibility of roy moore getting expelled from the senate if he s elected. some of the women say yes, that is the way to go. that is the safety net. but that last woman in my story, she said there is one way to widen that rift between d.c. and states like alabama is to expel him if alabama sends him to the u.s. senate, anderson. all right. thanks very much for the reporting. coming um, when world leaders call each other names. it s just like the playground with the tlet of nuclear war. the ridiculous is next. that s right. t-mobile s got your netflix subscription covered. .when you get a family plan with two or more lines. really? 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nbc news characterizing that race for governor as too early to call with the polls closed. democrats are bracing themselves for a comforting victory, where, of course, another devastating defeat. recent polling has shown northam with a slight edge but within the margin of error. gillespie, an aid to george b. push, is trying to help his establishment bonifides. if he wins, he can provide fellow republicans how to campaign in theably of trump. let s get the very latest from the race from our own steve kornacki. steve what do we know? well, it was 7:00. the polls closed in new jersey. we were an hour away. as you just showed. we have no actual votes in just yet. what can we show you from the exit polls? let s look at a few of the key questions, we can tackle there. first of all, see if we can call up the areas. okay. that should call it up. here we go, the trump factors, starting in virginia, the president, his approval rating, clocks in at 43%, by comparison, last time they had a governor s race in virginia, four years ago, barack obama was the president, his party s candidate did win, very close race. his number was 46 on election day, trump s today coming in at 43 in this exit poll. also, new jersey, can you see a blue state, not surprisingly 32% is the trump approval rating. keep your eye on this, more significant in this new jersey race, how about chris christie, throughout as time as to have, he peaked at 77% back during hurricane sandy, all way down in the exit poll, a 19% approval rating for chris christie as his lt. gov. tries to succeed him there, back to virginia, obviously the marquee race, something else we can tell you. the story last year in the election of donald trump was that social class split among white college white non-college voters. what share of the elect terror governor. let me ask you about trump, how s he do? is it that thing you get more trump, like the oliver north, we knew the further you got from d.c. the signs would be on the lawns. it was simple. its not the same with trump. two-thirds of people in virginia live in cities and suburbs. it s in those cities and suburbs the enmity for the president is greatest. maybe it s an accident of geography, virginia is across the frifr you all in washington. there is not much that donald trump said or done hasn t had an immediate and measured effect on suburban virginia. whether it was the perceived muslim ban, the freeze on federal employment. and the threatened shutdown of the federal government. the president s gambit to squeeze money for the democrats for the wall on the border with mexico. let s talk about the house of delegates, the lower house down there in virginia. do you think that will give us a reason for the democrats to pick up the u.s. house next november? it s tricky, mr. matthews. the legislature in virginia when controlled by the democrats and now controlled by the republicans has elevated to a high art, hyper partisan mandering, that goes a long way to protecting incumbents. that said, there is 54 of 66 republican seats contested and in northern virginia, where the turnouts are running higher, it s possible, underscore that, possible, that there could be a wave effect and some of these republican incumbents in these fast growing increasingly diverse outer suburbs of d.c. could be in trouble. yeah. let s get one thing straight, jeff, you are the sophisticated gentleman with the bow tie, i m not mr. matthews, i m chris matthews. thank you for your dignitary. i was impressed by your sophistication and nuance, thank you so much, jeff shapiro, you choice and they re sensitive about it. you have african-americans voting in big numbers now. is that still a state that you guys own? well, virginia is a purple state. no doubt about it. that s why this election will be close. virginia is and 66 republicans in the house of delegates. we re changing that, that was a hyper jerry mannederer. one thing mr. sha pier rocks i will call you mr. matthews tonight. please. one thing that is so important about this is i think those down ballot races, i spoke to so you buy this as a leading indicator of what your party can do next november few pick up ten seats or so in the assembly there and the house of delegates in that s a good sign? i think it s a good sign. we ll see what happens tonight. i met with most if not all of the challengers, in the last three or four cycles, chris, democrats only contested 45 or so seats. so we see the other 50, 55. we have 88 candidates this time. they are spectacular candidates. and they re going to drive turnout in their districts. they re obviously not financial to win 88 seats, when you if et the people to vote. when hillary clinton won last year, you have a republican incumbent. they must be your happy hunting ground. you like them. we need 17 of them and 17 seats to flip the dell gather. that s a tall order. will you get 17? i think that s a tall order tonight. i think the last time that democrats won both new jersey and virginia governors races was 2005. we know what happened in 2006. and the reason we re winning is because i spent a lot of time in both states, people are talking about health care. they see what donald trump is doing. that i have lfd ones with an opioid addiction issue. they re seeing this president take away their access. in virginia, they haven t expanded medicare. why? because the republican-dominated house and senate have said no people understand that. and virginia looks a lot like america, the diversity of america. we have exit polling saying health care is the number one issue in america. i have a problem. you argue about the republican tax bill, which i think should get near passed. but you don t offer an alternative to rebuild this country. why do democrats fear to talk about construction, jobs, good jobs, railways, fixing up the country and building a big intercontinental railroad system. doing something that catches up to the rest of the world? why do democrats support public enterprise? i do that all the time, it s about bold opportunities for every community for everyone. stop dithering what republicans are doing and outmatch them. thank you. he does not claim the right to remove the nominee for president. president trump has cast a long shadow over the race, despite having just a 41% approval rating in virginia, not so high. i think it went up today to 43 in the exits. from seoul, south korea, the president urged his supporters, from south korea, tweeting afl northam will allow crime to be rampant and he is weak on our vets and anti-second amendment and horrible in the virginia economy. vote ed dplespy from seoul, south korea, courtesy of the president. he kept him at arm s length, however, on the issues, will it be enough to win the governor s seat? for more i am joined by michael steele and msnbc political analyst. if donald trump is such a great president, why won t ed dplespy mention him, michael? you chuck him. look, it is a problem. if you loo tick buy the so much, you think he ought to get re-elected. renominated. that seems to be the impulse, why not show up with him? that s not necessarily reflected among candidates rung around the country or running in various races, they will be reflected in the people in their community. you got to be sensitive to where, you know, popular national figure or unpopular national figure stand in your state as well. so the focus i went through this in 2006 wearing the brand of a party not very popular with the american people, certainly not within my own state. but you still forge ahead, you make your case to those folks about the issues that they care about, which i think ed gillespie did masterfully. to the point michael, don t talk leak you are on the side lines, you are in there, fishing in troubled waters. i know what you are up to. you are trying to fet african-americans not to vote democrat, cutting from the ballot of a lt. gov.. that is not what i m doing at all. i have not done that at all. anywith thaun says that are dead wrong. the fact of the matter is myself and j.c. wattts on this program last night made it clear the concerns that we raised was the way the democratic party and this democratic candidate tweeted the african-american candidate for lt. gov. and the type of leicester they put out that was two-faced. where he was on the leicester when it went to certain neighborhoods in the northern parts of virginia and it was off the 11 in other parts of virginia. so. you think he wasn t in goods and straights with the national labor unions? oh, chris, please, spare me, stop it. not in good straights with the unions, really? you tell me you think it s okay. chris. you say you aren t bothering the issue, you are here arguing the issue. which is snit. i m saying the fact that you want to side step it. because you know daggone well if a republican put out two pamphlets one showing a plaque candidate, the other showing it off 2 pamphlet that you will be screaming to high heaven. will you not get away with it, playing this game. americans push back on it from i share such suspicions as those you just voiced. i just wanted to know whether you are in this fight or watching it. which is it? oh, i m in the fight, absolutely. no doubt about it. that s what i want to know. are you making your points, thank you, michael steele as always, well done with some charm. we ll be tracking right away the returns all night long, nbc news is characterizing the race. the polls are closed. it s too early to call. we ll be back with the russian investigation. there is always some russian. there is a trump campaign foreign adviser. he says he coordinated with five campaign officials five of them before and after his trip to moscow after maintaining he made it as a private citizen and met with top citizens while there. the glue gets thicker and stronger. this is trump s long-time body guard as interviewed by the house intelligence committee. trump doesn t like that guy being interviewed. i can tell you, this is hardball where the action is. president trump attempteden the p an attempt in the demilitarized zone, he was turned back not by military problems but bath bad weather. nbc news kelly o donnell joins us from seoul with the story. it looks like sunshine over there right now? reporter: well, there is heavy fog here, chris. in advance of this trip the white house says president trump would not go. vice president mike pence visited earlier in the administration, so this was an important and surprise development that has now fallen apart. the pool traveling with the president had this information and it was held for a period of time as they made an attempt with marine one to get to the demilitarized zone. they were turned back due to fog, restaged, tried to go again and determined what we call a weather call that they would not be able to make this trip. it would have been important especially because the layout at the roughly 150 smile strip between north korea and south korea is a place where, according to those other lawmakers who have visited and people like mike pence, you can look right into the eyes of north korean soldiers who are staged on the other side. there was an enormous uptick of security around president trump for this attempt that did not succeed due to weather. obviously the president had tried to make this a surprise, in part, because of the security threats that would be inher represent for this kind of a visit and leading up to this attempt, president trump had notably turned the volume down on his own rhetoric, not repeating some of his more belligerent provocative language that we have seen from him back in the united states. much more toned down while here in seoul. of course, seoul, itself, is only roughly 35 miles from the north korean border. so this was an attempt to make a surprise visit, which would have been an opportunity for the president to look right into north korea, a show of strength, perhaps, certainly an opportunity for him to get some perspective, but apparently, weather has foiled that attempt for president trump to be right on the boarder with north korea. chris? great reporting from kelly o donnell in seoul, south korea the latest in the russian investigation and much more as we are starting to see very early results in the virginia governor s race. right now we re calling it too early to call. back after this. including jeff sessions, the future ag and hopess to ing the white house communication director as well as then campaign manager cory lewandowski. while page said he traveled as a private citizen to give his speech at the university of moscow, an emeanwhile shows he tried to coordinate the details with the campaign. the transcript reveals after his event in moscow, page reported to campaign officials in an e-mail i ll send you guys a readout soon regarding some incredible insights and outreach i ve received from a few russian legislators and senior administration here. page told the committee he did not recall about adding new language to the rnc platform open ukraine before the convention, an e-mail shows page congratulating his colleagues in the campaign after the change was made, kw0e9, as for the ukraine amendment, excellent work. i m joined by ken delaney, with nbc news, shannon pettypiece and robert costa national political politico reporter and analyst, ken, it s great to have you on, can you give me a full picture now, take some time. what do we know of carter page s relationship with the trump campaign for months if not a year now, oh, he said i was a private citizen, a tourist, vis sarks acting like he had nothing to do with trump and his plan to become president and deal is with russia his way? reporter: that s right, chris, so i think his testimony moves the story forward in two important dimensions, one, we ve confirmed once and for all he did meet with senior russian government and business officials after he suggested for a month, as you said, he did not. he met with a deputy prime minister. he met with the number two person at a major oil and gas company, this was a high level trip. while carter page may say he was taking it in a personal capacity, it seems fairly obvious the reason these important russians were meeting with carter page was because he was trump s foreign policy adviser. the second thing this testimony shows is that he coordinated this trip with the campaign. he sought permission from the senior campaign official, one told nbc news today he tried to block the trip. he didn t think it was a good idea for carter image to go, page went around him to other officials who green lighted it. lastly, we know he reported back about the success of the trip and the coordination and the conversations he had with these russian officials. he told the campaign about it. so if we believe and it seems fairly clear that carter panel was somebody that russians were trying to use to infiltrate the trump campaign, russians were trying to se dues, recruit, whaev verb you want to use, it s very clear seniors in the trump campaign were on notice this was going on. they either didn t understand it or disregard it. chris. thank you so much, ken. let me go to shannon right now about the implications, it seems to me, you are talking the question, i don t think it s a question anymore. the idea of collusion between the russians and the trump people, within they change the platform, dealing with ukraine to a pro russian position, good work, excellent work, it sounds to me like they re doing the work of a collusion. that is certainly how some people are interpreting all this. some don t interpret it that way. you are doing stuff and you are giving it credit to those who get it done for you. the story keeps changing, the meeting about adoption, that turned out to be a meeting about sanction, like carter page, who was supposed to be a list on a name and a name on a list of foreign policy advisers, then people forgot about him. then these contacts, george papadopoulos, i couldn t remember who that was. again all of these campaign contacts, we will find additional information about this campaign platform there robert, this whole problem is, this unpeeling of an onion, we keep unpeopleing it and unpeeling it. trump s position from the beginning has been there has been no russian attempt to intervene in our election. that s fallen away a long time ago. you can see the flirtation with sessions an carter page and all these guys. how does trump look with a straight face to somebody like you and stick to that original position, there was no relationship? we have been waiting so long, watching the special counsel, it s hard to speculate what bob mueller is up to. we are seeing action on capitol hill. you see in the congressional committees, publishing the transcripts with carter page. few look at that lest up on the screen the five people he was talking into inside the campaign the most important person, tomorrow jeff sessions. he says there was no relationship. he is coming to capitol hill to testify before the judiciary committee. democrats will have tough questions about the whole scope of that relationship with carter image. shouldn t none, it seems that was beautifully set up like bill clinton goes in for his grand jury testimony when you know what the situation is. you know there is a conflict between what he said before and he has to answer for. he gets into this language what do you mean is is, those things? nothing was reached to conclusion, but the way he was saying it before sessions was, we never met, it turns out we met, we met, there is no discussions about collusion. they did discuss what the russians wanted. a debate over what s a meet something well, i mean we met in passing. i don t necessarily call that a meeting. what s a meet something where, you know, we re getting down in the polls. we now know he admitted he was in a meeting, a shutoff with papadopoulos, close down his architect for a deal, another meeting. we know it all went on? how close are we getting to an argument here, there was collusion, robert? there was this outer rim of the campaign, it s arguable. trump had nothing to do with this? i m not ready to say that at all. you look at sam clovis and george papadopoulos, inside the campaign, not talking to trump daily. they were still in the company, they were having all these meetings. what bob mule ever, who is the connection? who knew what? history lesson, ehrlichman, mitchell. all those guys went down been nixon went down. there is mon a for the and a flynn indictment and more on manafort. what do you know about the flynn indictment? squeeze him in the father to protect the son? what are they trying to do to the guy? it was done in the rosenberg case, we will go after the part you love. can you save that part. you can t save yourself so make the deal. we see mueller moving in a smart methodical way. that s what you see a seasoned prosecutor like this do. he s frightening, anywaif. thank you. we re still tracking, of course, we will going to do throughout virginia that hot governor s race. again, nbc news, this gets kind of dull, characterizing the governor s race, it s too early to call. it s only:30. it s too early. this is hardball where the action is. democratic division, where political divisions are along the lines. in northern virginia, along with the rest of the country is not very southern, it s large populations from people all over the country and a democratic strong hold, largely i say because there are so many single women. in a turn for gillespie to win, he needs to offset that in the rural parts where people have southern accents in places like west virginia. for more let s check back with the experts, steve kornacki. tell me if i m right or wrong. northern virginia is the place to look. that s where i want to dig deeper. we are starting to get numbers. gillespie is leading state wide, it tends to be northern virginia, the bulk comes in late. keep that in mind. let s focus on the counties a u.s. the washington, d.c., basically talking about sorry, i should get this pen selected, basically talking about, god, anyway, 25% or so of the votes come from those counties right outside washington, d.c. here s the thing to be looking at, when we showed you those exit polls earlier, we showed almost half the college educated white vote was going to northam, that s a very high number for a democrat to be getting and that immediately sets alarm bells off saying, boy, are the democrats doing even better than expected in these northern virginia suburbs. let me give you something if i can get this thing to work. it seems to have frozen, i m going to give you the numbers, prince william county, we re starting to get some somebodys right here on the map, northern virginia, keep this in meempbin. in this county prince william he lost by only three points. his goal was to be competitive there tonight. not necessarily win. be competitive, last year this county swung hard against trump, trump lost it by 21. we don t have all the votes in right now. right now you have gillespie trailing by 29 points in the votes that have been counted so far, so the question here for gillespie was, could he bring it baaing to more of a 2014 level in northern virginia or was he become the to be stuck with the trump stigma early indications may be pointing in that direction. so he s getting what, gillespie is getting the trump vote? no, gillespie is getting the stigma in more than virginia. because he ran as that sort of bush-style republican in 2014. you couldn t win northern virginia. but he could keep the losses in check. getting the trump vote is not a food thing in virginia, anyway. that understand so much, i m joined by a democratic strategist, author of foxs in the hen house, how the republicans stole the south and the heartland and what the democrats must do to run them out and also a democratic strategist. gentleman, let me get your two schools of thought on this, i was amazed over the last couple weeks, steve, that the dplespy who is all wrong for virginia, he s from catholic u up in washington. he grew up in new jersey, he s establishment. a life-long lobbyist, a part of the republican leadership in the rnc. there is nothing southern about him, really. he s up against the guy northam, whatever you say about him, has a nice southern accent and seems home grown, yet, these numbers come out close, what do you make, steve? make of it? well, i think a part of what you are seeing, chris, is the trump folks are fired up. they re going to turn out all the time. i don t see them going anywhere. they will keep turning out for republican. so gillespie has. that what you have seen gillespie try to do in virginia is try to moderate himself in many ways. not in all ways, obviously, the moving of the monuments, things like that play into that base. i think he is trying to have his cake and eat it too, a bit. ly keep that trump base, i will eat into northern virginia and hopefully keep the lieutenant governor down, win big enough in southwest or south side of virginia, where republicans traditionally have done well, you saw mark warner in 01 jim webb do well in southwest, the democrats have evened the score there a bit. gillespie s strategy is make myself look safe to enough voters and then rely on the base of the command without having to do too much to keep him? and he s made eight close race. well, let me ask the first question, steve, first to you, northam the democrating nominee and the democratic governor, was he woo iz to say, tear down the confederate statues? was he smart to do that politically? steve? i guess we ll find out shortly, right, chris. i think the polls in virginia, at least the ones i seen, most virginians say done tear them down. we have an exit poll, probably based on early voting today, the states say leave him alone, corn em, what is your thinking about this, politically? was eight smart move to challenge the old order that much? well, my thinking is, look, if that s what you believe, take the stand and fight for it. i think democrats have suffered far too long by being mealy mouth in having it both ways. is it something to die for? christie is not going to lose an election in virginia fighting for, you know, saying that, take down the confederate flag. this is a state that obama won back-to-back majorities, hillary clinton was not the best candidate in the world, carried four or five points. we had two democratic senators, in terry mcauliffe as governor, i don t think democrats stayed offensive in a state like virginia. if he believes we are taking down confederate monuments, he should fight for it and don t have it both ways. so is kornell. we have battlefields in virginia. lots of them the bum run, all kind of stuff out in virginia. much of the war was fought in virginia. should we take the confederate monuments off the battlefield, kornell? the truth of the matter is, the truth of the matter is, even most african voters when we did polling in virginia, they don t see us as the top issue concern for them, right? much more concern. i m nailing you here, i want an answer, where do you stand? absolutely. let me be perfectly clear, i think they were traders to the united states of america, ha should come down. i think you are not running for office. when you run for office, let me know. that has a lot of nerve behind it keep the statues up or take them down? i respect the side that says that s a part of our history, i get it. we have history in museums. you can honor our history and still fought disparage what the south tried to do. the south tried to smr it the union. so i think the bigger issue, honestly, chris, is, democrats very often let these single polarizing issues define them. this race is not about that. republicans were voting against health care, against food stamps, voting against programs for education, for the kids, look at what trump is doing on education, there are republicans in congress who have done nothing, nothing, to put money in the pockets of working americans. what are you talking about? i will tell you, i think hollywood is guilty. hollywood starting in the 30s starting building up the old south, it never existed. it was all this what s her name, scarlet o hara, the nonsense, the wonders and joys of the old south, they never showed the slaves being beaten, put in chains, you never saw a change in chains, the old white tyranny look good, anyway, it was awful. we were brought up with that propaganda, thank you,ion why we were. thank you, i m closer to you than you think, corn em, up next, the hardball roundtable, including that race, i don t think it s much of a race for new jersey governor. i think christie stumping up that state. polls close in a half hour on is that one. you are watching hardball. welcome back to hardball. you continue to watch the governor s race, across the river from here, nbc news characterized two early to call, the polls closed at 7:00 eastern the other big race for governor tonight, not exactly a squeaker is in new jersey, where polls were closed at 8:00 eastern. i am joined by chief national correspondent for the boston globe and 55ia sloan is a reporter our own and david you were making a point before, that this republican candidate for governor in virginia, we re all watching, it s the marquee election, has not bought the the same cut of the jib as donald j. trump. no, he s a establishment republican, a former national committee chairman. he s a lobbyist. this was a party guy. he s also a northerner. he s from new jersey. but he also, you know, he tried to use the trump playbook late in the gym using cultural issue gls they ll them. confederate statues, saying they should be kept up. talking about gangs. ms-13. gangs. saying that the democratic candidate was against outlawing sank dhu area cities, voting negatively to make a point? right. also allowing fellens out, you know, out of prison. we are looking at it is not a call. in these experts of virginia that have educated me, it s not a surprise the republican has a load and we see a winner for an hour or two. there they always dos the raw vote. sense i watched the nixon-kennedy in the 60s, don t pay attention to the raw vote. we have to give you the news, vivian. so what we see in virginia, traditionally after a presidential election, they will often go for a party not in the white house, with the exception of mcauliffe s second term. like remorse. whatever you want to call it. that has been the pattern so far, so whether or not we will see that again, we don t know, but president obama had really kind of dominate and pushed that state into the blue area for a while and then obviously now, you know, president trump is trying to sway it back. whether or not he is successful or not, it depends. whether or not that s an indication of how he has been dock, it s too early to tell i think. in some states like massachusetts that when you vote for governor, you don t vote ideologically, in utah, for years, they elect a governor to balance things off, massachusetts, regular or every other time picks it s a liberal state. virginia is like that. they can pick republican governors. they did. you know, i do think you ve got to say here, northam is not exactly the most dynamic candidate they engage christie in an argument. let s watch a portion of that action. it s easier to sit here and complain, it s easier. [ inaudible question ]. i m sure, easier to sit here and complain, but you know what, that s the joy of public service, it s serving folks, it s serving folks like you that is really such a unique joy. it really s. why does he like to fight with anybody who wants to fight? this the a final bow. few want to fight, i ll fight with you. this the a guy with a what 15% approval rating in virginia t. guy never gave she wants to be a part of. that. she was the leiutenant, you know, he gave his lt. gov. no chance. why did she run? for lt. gov. she was next in lean to run. she got her head bashed in, gail force head storms. a superstorms, you might say. been there. it will be tough for her tonight. that s an easy win. i have been saying for the dems to win the senate. they need double digits in the national polls the way the jury mannedering, votes tend to be crowded in the big cities. they got it. they got the highest spread in recorded history practically right now. they can win the house back if things continue the way they re going. democrats managed to mess these moments up, you know, time and time again, they still need a message. look at that. he said, we got one? what is it? i know it. they have this problem again and again. i think they have got, the party has a lot of work to do if they want to. it s amess. they think it s a seasaw. if trump goes down, they go up. they think it s automatic. that s why they re planning so careful. the question is whether the democrats can rally behind a leader? the party is in disarray. well, exactly, is there someone that can really rally the troops and say, let s do this together? have a unified image to get the party together again after what happened last year? that s the big question going forward. we re not even there. not even close. there are so many fresh memp and sophomore, no one except joe biden. i would not overread the results of tonight to say it will mean anything of 2018, remember. you are telling people not to stay up tonight? no, i m trying to stay up and watch all night. there is a seat there, it goes down into a dangerous hole in the ground. terry mcauliffe won the governorship in 2013 republican in the 2014 rallied. they had a great mid-term year. in all the papers across the country, top of the fold of the east coast, i do think it counts, i think the delegate races count a lot. if hillary is able to win, where she run for president? look out? she ll be talking it up in the globe vivian saw him. a pessimist about news value and the polls in new jersey will be closed at the top of the hour that s 8:00 p.m. eastern. we ll get the first look at who will succeed chris christie. that state cannot wait to succeed chris christie t. garden state. the vote keeps pouring in, in virginia, more than 30% in now. nbc says this race still too early to call. this is hardball, where the action is. joins us. we could tell you democrats are looking at what they re seeing right now, they are feeling very good. let me give you a microcosm of what it is. we talked about northern virginia. look, democrats always do well here in northern virginia. trump got absolutely buried. the challenge for gillespie come until was just don t get buried like trump did. here s a perfect example what was we re seeing in northern virginia. look at this, louden county what you see, the democrat winning by 20. what was the margin in this county last year? it was hillary clinton by 17 over donald trump. this is worse than trump. and by the way, when idaho gillespie ran in this county for the u.s. senate three years ago, he won it. he won by a few hundred votes. tonight he s losing by 20. he s losing it worse than trump. we are seeing this throughout northern virginia in the returns. the gillespie goal was, don t get buried like trump. he may get buried worse than trump. whoa. 1960 was a tumultuous year in american politics. in playing with fire: the 1968 election lawrence o donnell writes the 1960s were a decade like no other, a high-speed kaleidoscope of the civil rights movement, assassinations, bob dylan, the vietnam war, hippies, and american s first anti-war movement. i m joined by host of the last word on msnbc, it s an honor to have you on. bill clinton once said, if you like the 60s you re probably a democrat. if you hated the 60s, you re probably a republican. reflect on that, this is a big-picture book. sure, the 60s was probably the single most high-speed culture change, societal change, political change of the 20th century, by far it was. for example, chris, as you know, no guy s hair looked the same, no one at any age between 1960 and 1970. people thought differently. people who were segregationists in 1960 were not by 1970. and so what you saw was a kind of progress that some people wanted to hold back as they always do with this kind of progress. so the democrats were perceived as the party by the time you get to 1968 who were leading that kind of progress. as you know, chris, about of that, if someone told you they were republican, you didn t know if that person was a liberal or a conservative. true. if someone said they were a democrat, you didn t know if that person was a liberal or a segregationist. all that started to clarify and get locked in cement in 1968. so that now if you say you re a democrat, everyone thinks they know everything that you think about everything. how did we have such exciting prospects for 68 coming in with gene mccarthy in 67, bobby kennedy joined the fight, johnson quitting? how did we end up with two dull candidates like nixon and hubert humphrey? a downer at the end of the year? well, it s the assassination that put us on the the bobby kennedy assassination that put us on that inevitable road to hubert hum debris on the democrats side. what that campaign began with was bravery, was a senator standing up and saying, i m going to run against the president of my own party. that was something that was unheard of. and it was done by this obscure senator at the time, gene mccarthy. everyone was surprised when he did it. as you know, bobby kennedy thought about running before gene mccarthy announced. and bobby decided against it. then he was never comfortable with his decision, he kept going back and forth. gene mccarthy had some success in new hampshire. and chris, i was in high school. i thought gene mccarthy won new hampshire. and i thought that for decades after the fact. that s the way it played. because that s the way it played. turns out he came in a very strong second, as you know, bobby kennedy jumps into the race, lyndon johnson says, i quit. as you know, every single possible candidate in 1968, every one of them, was worried about one candidate. and that one candidate was bobby kennedy. nixon was afraid of him. lbj was afraid of him. gene mccarthy was afraid of him. everyone was. let s talk about the results. i voted for humphrey. but i thought i did so because of civil rights and because i thought ed muskie was one hell of a running mate. you probably did too. i thought nixon, tricky dickey, would get us out of the war, he d say that s the democrat war, i m getting out. yet he gets in there thanks to henry kissinger, prolongs it an entire term, half the americans killed in that war are killed after nixon comes to office. that was not what the voters voted for, they did not vote for nixon to keep that war going, they voted for him to say, i ve got a secret plan to get out of this thing. exactly. he had that trump trump was saying last year, i ll beat isis, i can do this, the generals can t do it but i can, i know how to do it. he kept, of course that plan a secret because he didn t have one. nixon implied he had a secret plan to end that war, but he got obsessed with the same thing lbj was obsessed with, and eventually destroyed lbj, and that was, i don t want to be the first president to lose a war. nixon spent all that time trying to come up with an image that looked like he wasn t losing a war, which we did definitely lose. yeah, well said. well written, of course. law reference o donnell, plaing with fire: the 1968 election and the transformation of american politics. let me finish with this lure that lawrence reflect on this the late 1960s. this is not new to me. ever since live including that time i ve felt the pull of a time when when was a zest in the air, an edge of excitement, especially late 1967 and 1968 when i marched to the pentagon, i war marched and watched the good fight as lawrence mentioned between bobby kennedy and eugene mccarthy. my chirp have picked up on this lore of the 1960s, asked me about it, how we lived it. the fun we had. the craziness of some of it. let s be honest, the music and the characters were the best
tucker carlson tonight. for the latest findings in that investigation we are joined by matt finn, who is in texas for us tonight. we have learned the shooter himself had three gunshot wounds to his body, including one to his head, which the medical examiner says was self-inflicted, so the shooter killed himself after his deadly rampage here at this texas church. we ve also learned that the shooter recently repurchased four guns. authorities say all the sales were legal. if there is no information in databases that would have flagged the shooter, and that aligns with two pieces of information we learned today. if first, academy sporting goods in san antonio, texas, released a statement saying it sold to guns to the shooter, one in 2015, and one in 2017, and that the shooter passed the national criminal background check and that that sporting good store is not cooperating with law enforcement. also, the u.s. air force did not submit the criminal records to the fbi, as required by pentagon law. the shooter was discharged from the air force for bad behavior, for beating his wife and his stepson intentionally. cracking his stepson s skull. he was court-martialed and imprisoned. had they turned that over to the fbi, he might not have been able to pass the background checks to purchase guns recently. the air force had launched a review into how the service handled the shooter s criminal record. tonight at this hour there are still 15 people in the hospital wounds related to yesterday s shooting. five of them are minors. some are still in critical condition. tucker, back to you. tucker: what a gruesome and awful story. investigators were able to find a lot about the sutherland spring shooter, devin patrick kelley, almost immediately. why were they able to put the pieces together so fast? in las vegas, we still know so little. we turn to dan, who joins us live. first, to the texas shooting. apparently, the air force did not come as you just heard matt finn report, enter this information about this man s court marshaling conviction and the year he spent in the break into the criminal database that gun purchasers are run through. if they had put that information in there, would he have been prohibited from buying a gun? he would have been prohibited from buying a gun. this is why the radical left can t possibly win this gun control debate. think about the argument they are making to us. the argument they are making is don t worry, government can protect you. i love our military, god bless every man and woman that serves, but this is clearly a bureaucratic error that cost people their lives by officials in our government as they are making the very same argument, by the way, that we need new laws despite the fact that the old laws didn t work because people in the government that are supposed to make no laws didn t cooperate with the laws we have now, and look at what we have on our hands. he would have been stopped from buying a gun, and he wasn t, and look what happened. tucker: you see that with so many of our gun laws that are unenforced, including the city of chicago, where they are almost never prosecuted even as they complain that they are the source of the problem, which they certainly are. why do we know so much, and thank heaven we do, about this atrocity, and still so little about the one that happened in las vegas a month ago? this tragedy here, this fits the models we have from my experience in the secret service of targeted violence. you ve seen indicators in the past, you and i have talked about the vacant shooting on multiple appearances here that we have said it doesn t make any sense because where all the witnesses? where all the people coming out and saying i saw something on facebook that was strange. he said something at the local deli that was unusual, where are they? the answer is nowhere, nobody has found them yet, or they are there and we just don t know about them. but in this case, we are seeing a litany of people saying there were odd facebook posts, there s obviously a pattern of violent behavior, and as i ve said repeatedly, when you look at models of targeted violence, there s always a trail, always a trail, it s very rare look in the vacant shooting for there s almost nothing there and it s a vacuum. tucker: so you don t think the investigation is different, but the crime is different gmac at the perpetrator different? this guy seems to fit the pattern. targeted violence, assassinations, shootings, homicidal maniacs would decide to go in a church. we don t know the motive yet but it appears there s some connection there. it appears that his desire to take out revenge, or whatever it may have been on a family member or in law, he just uses violence as a way to show his power, and that s what he did he took out 20 plus innocent people in his rampage there. but that fits the models we ve seen in the past. tucker: what are the lessons for the rest of us? it pains me to say this, but churches are inherently vulnerable places. you have the right to protect yourself. there are wolves out there. there s a big conflict of visions, if i can steal a line. if the left seems to believe that we can somehow legislate the evil out of people s hearts, you won t. do not be a sheep. if you are a church, if you are a synagogue, you are in a uniquely vulnerable spot. it pains me to say that, but we live in a different time. if you have an exit and an entrance point in the back. therefore everybody comes out in the same spot. where is everybody s attention in church? ahead. where is the shooter going to come in? he s going to come in the back. you also have the lack of cover or concealment. there s nowhere to hide. why? because people don t hide in church, they have to see what s going on in the altar. there is nowhere to go. it doesn t give me any joy in telling you that, but in 12 years as a secret service agent, if you are in a church or house of worship, you have an obligation now to realize we live in a different world. it s sad, these are black swan events, but the penalty for being involved in an event like this is death. this has happened multiple time times. you have to secure and harden up your location. i m sorry i had to say that, but it is absolutely true in the times we live in. tucker: thanks a lot for that, as always. yes, sir. tucker: voters in virginia elect a new governor tomorrow. it s been the most widely covered political race of the earth, and by far the most bitter. virginia is solidly blue now and democrat ralph northam has long been expected to win an easy victory in the place with a republican president is even less popular than he is in the rest of the country. but that is not what has happened. if republican ed gillespie has remained surprisingly close in the polls for months. panic to the democratic establishment and our gophers in the national media, they have done what they always do in a pinch, they make it about race. remember what obama and his campaign told us that bill clinton was a racist during the 2008 primaries? remember when the hillary clinton campaigns at the same thing about bernie sanders last year? when the going gets tough, democrats charge racism. so naturally ed gillespie has been transformed into a bowl, for the purposes of this election. just yesterday the new york times ran a strikingly dishonest beast that accused gillespie of running array simply don t make racially divisive campaign. according to the new york times, his sins include attacking the street gang ms-13, opposing sanctuary cities and criticizing the governors unilateral decision to restore voting rights to felons in the state. if for this, gillespie is a bigot. it would be amusing if it wasn t so poisonous. ed gillespie isn t a racist, if anything he s too liberal for many republicans in virginia. a former corporate lobbyist from new jersey, he has establishment views on virtually everything. a strongly pro-immigration, supports amnesty for daca beneficiaries. he has never made race an issue. promised to crackdown on ms-13 because it s a deadly criminal force with thousands of members, which by the way, and not incidentally, targets almost exclusively el salvador in immigrants. they mark america s laws. he made an issue on voting rights because it was a naked glitter dome of political grab by the governor. don t tell that to politico. it s reporters accused him of adopting racially charged culture war issues for daring to oppose monument vandalism and national anthem protest. think progress ran this headline. if his campaign for final push for votes plays on hatred of black nfl protesters. standing up for the national anthem is not nationalism. the irony was there actually was racial demagoguery in the campaign, a lot of it, but it didn t come from ed gillespie or his supporters. in the closing days, supporters of northam ran an ad that suggested that gillespie s voters wanted to murder kids. the ad actually said that. this showed a white man in a pickup truck with a gillespie sticker trying to run over a bunch of kids, including a little muslim girl as they fled for their lives. the new york times didn t even mention that at until 14 on their hit piece yesterday. the ad got in the way of their story line apparently. like all off year elections, tomorrow s results will be scrutinized for larger lessons about american politics. if you hear people say it s a referendum on trump, that s tru true. the worst and most dangerous habit, inflating racial fears to get boaters to the polls. it does not tactics to work? let s hope not, we will find out tomorrow. juan williams cohosts the five right here on fox and he joins us. hey, how are you? tucker: you know it gillespie, whatever you think of his politics, he s hardly a bigot, he s a moderate guy politically and by temperament. if i look at this with my jaw open and if they are turning ed gillespie into a bigot for attacking ms-13, then the work s no meaning anymore, that s my reaction to it. i like ed gillespie a lot, i knew when he was chair of the national committee and he was always about inclusion and outreach to minorities. he saw that as the future to the party. but i must say when i was listening to you, i was thinking to myself, i think he has found himself in a tight spot after a primary race in which he was joining against corey stewart, donald trump s campaign manager in virginia and stewart ran a campaign that was all about the confederate statues and keeping them in place. he made a very strong populist, and at times racial, appeal. if i think it was less than two points close to ed gillespie in that primary race for the nomination and now he has done things like what you have just laid out. at the nfl players kneeling, the confederate statues. and i think most of all, somehow conflating ms-13 with immigration. started those ads in the southwestern part of the state, down in roanoke and the more rural area. tucker: ms-13 is a real thing, it s an actual phenomenon. it s not as big a threat as you would think by seeing the commercial. tucker: you know who it s a threat to, salvadoran immigrants. that s fine, but that s not who the ads are aimed at. if the ads are stirring up white anger. tucker: you don t need to be white to be angry about the fact that our immigration policy has allowed a lot of people to come here illegally and join street gangs. i agree with you. tucker: by the way, their victims or immigrants, so i don t know why it s that racist to say that. it s true. known, no, no. if you are right, there s a real issue, these people kill each other, so there are salvadorans killing salvadorans, but it ties into this goes back to the trump playbook, immigration is a threat, perceived as a threat by lots of working class white folks. i think you ve spoken to me about this, so what it does is by playing this up in an ad, it stirs that base that wasn t going to go to. gillespie you described as a moderate republican. tucker: i disagree with that gillespie s views on immigration very strongly. okay. tucker: i m way to the right of him on immigration because it actually is a threat. it s a great thing in other ways, but in some ways it is a threat and ms-13 is one manifestation of that. it s real, and there s nothing racist about saying that. if we make that off limits, if we call people names for telling the truth, then we can t have an honest conversation about it. i want an honest conversation, but i m telling you it s not a threat to the extent that it would become the major issue in the race for governor of virginia, in less you are playing it in order to stir up and turn out your voters, which is what ed has done. he s following for cory stewart, donald trump playbook. tucker: fay ran an ad, his opponents, accusing him and his voters of wanting to murder children with a pickup truck. if it s literally true. if that s not like my spend on it. have you seen the spot? of course. of course. tucker: somehow, ed gillespie, who was a victim of that, he s a bigot for some reason, because he doesn t like ms-13? to see why this is actually insane and it s making people vote for ed gillespie? the attacks on him are so unfair that a lot of people wouldn t vote for him are thinking this is not nutty. the political dynamic is one that steve bannon, the trump political advisor of old now said this is the playbook. this is how ed gillespie has gotten himself back in the race, by highlighting things like ms-13 and immigration. it s a political play to a racial base, tucker. tucker: they accused him of wanting to murder minority children. if you don t tucker: is that not racial demagoguery? what s the definition of a? when you go into latino communities in muslim communities and see the anxiety that has been stirred by the kind of appeals that came from trump, and now cory stewart. they went not by this ad thing actually they want to murder your children. i don t know. it s a nightmare of anxiety in the ad. tucker: i get it. people should be ashamed of that, i think. i think playing racial politics is unnecessary, but i don t think you can deny that that s what s going on in this campaign. tucker: i think you re absolutely right, you know what i think. thanks for joining us. my pleasure. tucker: donna brazile has exposed massive and real misconduct. she ran the democratic party. why are the media trying to downplay her story to mack it s a fascinating tale of establishment collusion, and we will tell it to you with a former hillary clinton advisor next. when you have a cold stuff happens. shut down cold symptoms fast with maximum strength alka seltzer plus liquid gels. it s ok that everybody ignores me when i drive. it s fine, cause i get a safe driving bonus check every six months i m accident-free. and i don t share it with mom. right, mom? 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tucker: it s unbelievable. in retrospect, they are so obviously talking points. if glad to know that. if cnn is not alone. if the internet suffered a great piece in which he pointed out that journalists have s repeatedly spread misleading stories that lead to exonerate the behavior of hillary clinton and the dnc. nbc news published a story claiming the clinton-dnc agreement only applied to the general election. if they simply read the agreement they would say that s lost. it applied to both. a claim was quickly repeated. it was false. the establishment journalist also claimed that sanders signed the very same agreement that hillary clinton did. that is false. the media. campbell, but in this place they can t seem to downplay this one fast enough. donna brazile isn t backing down, watch this. for those who are telling me to shut up, they told hillary that a couple of months ago, to know what i told him? go to hell. i m going to tell my story. tucker: donna brazile will join us on wednesday to tell us her story. brave enough to join us in studio. in her book, and we are having a wednesday, can t wait to hear about this, but she says that she experienced sexism on the hillary campaign. she wasn t taken seriously because she was a woman, and it raises the obvious question, do you think the democratic party can handle strong woman like donna brazile? i don t know whether donna brazile is a kook, but what she says is kooky. it let me give you an example. tucker: i don t know why. hold on. i thought the basic precept of liberalism is when a woman says she was mistreated for being a woman, you take her seriously, you don t dismiss her as a kook or a crazy person. my the feminist here? in her book she says men are not able to deal with women. this is being laid at the feet of people who work for hillary clinton. the fact is these are people hillary clinton was accused of only having women work for her when she was in the senate. tucker: you are dismissing her claim of sexism because why? because hillary clinton s campaign she s got a distorted view of things. tucker: another crazy woman. i get it, the crazy woman defense. i ve heard this before. this is certifiably nuts. if the political director, the communications director excuse me, the political director, the communications director, the digital director, you can go on and on and on, or women for hillary. the notion that somehow the hillary clinton campaign couldn t countenance strong woman is crazy. tucker: the campaign manager was a man. all i m saying is the democratic party has told me all my life that when a woman says she faces sexism, were not allowed to dismiss her as crazy. or it s that kind of the month or any kind of insulting suggestion that she doesn t have her full wits. and i do take donna brazile seriously. if he were here are the democrats think she s just another crazy woman. donna brazile should have known better. any candidate takes over the party. john mccain did that. the democrats do the same. it goes back decades. somehow or other, she acted offended as if somehow they were taking it out on her when they want to make decisions as opposed to her. if so she s putting the span of about whether it sexism or whatever, this whole nonsense that she spit out about somehow or other because of her race or what now. tucker: just tell me of someone who is kind of following along, sort of watching as our culture change is really fast. and i m writing this down because i want to keep this for future reference. one of the times i can just dismiss allegations of racism and sexism with the back of my hand and call them nonsense as you just did? one of my allowed to do that? when there s evidence to the contrary. the evidence here is, so many people at the top of the heap for the campaign up and down. if you look at that campaign was uniquely occupied by very powerful senior women. what donna brazile was taken personally look she was al gore s campaign manager. she didn t use bill clinton. if there s a problem there, it s not something that is hillary clinton s doing. tucker: if i m ever accused of something bad, i will use your technique. that s absurd, she s got to be crazy. she s crazy! i don t think she s crazy, i think she s wrong. i m saying what she is saying sounds crazy because it s demonstrably disproved. tucker: it hasn t actually been disproved, and you are making me even more anxious to speak to her directly. really quickly, part of what is going on here is that the clintons are losing control of the democratic party, it s not their party, the base doesn t agree with them on key issues. clinton is maybe actually write on some of those issues on my perspective, but whatever. the truth is they are not going gently into that good night, their time is over, it has been eclipsed, and these are kind of the last gasps of political aristocracy that has been in power for the last 25 years. isn t that what kind of going on? i will say there is a tug-of-war going on between the sanders and warren waiting in the wing that frankly has won presidential campaigns. there s talk about democrats being in disarray. tucker: is she a kook? she s not a cure. tucker: are her allegations of sexism just crazy? the case being, flat-out wrong. donna brazile said things were not. tucker: she s crazy! i m never going to use that, but that s just me. wait to see you. you are a brave man. our interview with ivanka trump and steven mnuchin, the treasury secretary, is minutes away. coming up. was built on that bedrock, ours. freedom has made america exceptional, but it can only last if you and i choose to act as people of character. forging character has been the pursuit of hillsdale college since 1844. and the wolf huffed like you do sometimes, grandpa? well, when you have copd, it can be hard to breathe. it can be hard to get air out, which can make it hard to get air in. so i talked to my doctor. she said. symbicort could help you breathe better, starting within 5 minutes. symbicort doesn t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden symptoms. symbicort helps provide significant improvement of your lung function. symbicort is for copd, including chronic bronchitis and emphysema. it should not be taken more than twice a day. symbicort contains formoterol. medicines like formoterol increase the risk of death from asthma problems. symbicort may increase your risk of lung infections, osteoporosis, and some eye problems. you should tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. symbicort could mean a day with better breathing. watch out, piggies! (child giggles) symbicort. breathe better starting within 5 minutes. get symbicort free for up to one year. visit saveonsymbicort.com today to learn more. cost of child care has gone through the roof, and families just can t afford it, so women are disproportionately leaving the workforce. tucker: actually got kind of interesting from there. we will have more from that interview in just a minute. she s not the only person we spoke to. we also sit down with the treasury secretary steven mnuchin to talk about the administration s plan to overhaul the u.s. tax code. here s part of it. thanks for joining us. thank you. i think it s fair to say the last election was an expression of anxiety on the part of the american middle class, and the administration has said repeatedly they recognize that. how does this plan address the concerns of the american middle class? i think as you know, president trump from day one has been very focused on the economy, and absolutely convinced that we can get back to sustained economic growth by 3% gdp or higher. the tax plan is center stage of his economic plan. this is all about middle income tax cuts, cutting business taxes and making u.s. business competitive with the rest of the world. tucker: so if you are a from poker and you are making 55,000 59,000, and medium income, what does this mean for you? it you will see at least several hundred dollars of a tax cut. that s what you will see some thoma, monies in your pocket. tucker: corporations are saying marcher tax cut. why is that fair when profits are high and income is stagnant, what do you say? 70% of the burden are borne by the worker. the reason we are cutting corporate taxes is so that american business can be competitive. right now we have one of the highest tax rates in the world, and that s why jobs are going overseas. this is about bringing back trillions of dollars that are offshore, and making business competitive. that s why what we call it tax cuts and jobs act. tucker: if businesses profit more, workers benefit, that your argument. businesses are doing well now, why aren t wages keeping pace with corporate profits? businesses are doing well, the stock market is doing well, so for rich people it has been a great eight years, but for the average american worker, they haven t seen their wages increase. this is about making u.s. business competitive, having more jobs here, and getting wage increases to workers. tucker: there s the counter case that corporate profits have been rising, but wages have not been. that s puzzling to some people. they ve been rising some, but not proportionate with the stock market. this will be about creating more earnings more important, bringing back capital. we will encourage companies to bring back trillions of dollars that will be invested here to have new jobs, new factories, new buildings, new manufacturin manufacturing. tucker: how much do you expect to come back? $3 trillion at least. the president thinks it could be four or five. tucker: this bill as written would increase the number of people who don t pay federal taxes. basically make the government more reliant on the smaller number of people carrying the whole burden, does that make you uncomfortable? it doesn t. at one of the things the president has continuously, this is not about tax cuts for rich people, this is about tax cuts for the middle class and for working americans we are going to raise the standard deduction to $24,000 for families. at the reagan library, there s no better place to have tribute to what was done 31 years ago with president reagan. president trump s tax reform will be even bigger. tucker: the president during the campaign said repeatedly that he was going to give a haircut to the private equity people and managers by doing away with what is called the carried interest loophole, which allows people to take salary and get taxed at the investment rate, which is almost half. that is still in there. this bill allows that to continue, why? i m sure that s one of the issues that will be debated as it gets through the house and as it gets to the senate. we will be working with both parties on it. tucker: you were going to push on that? we are. tucker: not every group in d.c. loves the plan and one of the most upset of the realtors mad about the deductions he will be eliminating for mortgage interest. with preserved in the house version $500,000 mortgage that you can deduct the interest. that s an awfully big home, and mostly every single part of this country. we are cutting out lots of loopholes throughout the whole tax plan, so there will be people who don t like bits and pieces, but people understand this is a pass-fail exercise. it s critical to the economy, and we are going to get it done. tucker: thank you. thank you. tucker: a horrifying epidemic spreading in africa and killing people. what is it? could he come here quickly? we will give you details and the physicians following it next. it creates a seal of the dentures in my mouth. just a few dabs is clinically proven to seal out more food particles. try super poligrip free. or any of its ingredients. stop taking victoza® and get medical help right away if you get symptoms of a serious allergic reaction such as rash, swelling, difficulty breathing or swallowing. serious side effects may happen, including pancreatitis. so, stop taking victoza® and call your doctor right away if you have severe pain in your stomach area. tell your doctor your medical history. gallbladder problems have happened in some people. tell your doctor right away if you get symptoms. taking victoza® with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. common side effects are nausea, diarrhea, vomiting, decreased appetite, indigestion, and constipation. side effects can lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. ask your doctor about victoza®. tucker: parts of africa are seeing deadly outbreak of a disease called monkeypox, it s been around for a while and it pops up occasionally, in a big way right now. the disease is incurable, it could reach the country before we know it s coming. a long incubation period that, 16 days. what s the nature of the threat, and is it one to this country? and associate professor of medicine joins us tonight. doctor, thanks for coming on. my pleasure. tucker: if it takes a couple of weeks for a person infected with monkeypox to show symptoms, that suggestion could have people coming over here with it and they could get sick from it in the united states. what happens then? how contagious is it and what are the effects? the good news is it is not very easily spread between person-to-person, it s more easily spread from wild animal to a person. it can be spread amongst human beings, that s usually through respiratory droplets, but very close contact. a caregiver of someone who is sick with this virus. that s the kind of person who would be more prone to get it. it s concerning because it can be fatal in up to 10% of cases, that s a pretty deadly virus. tucker: is there any kind of defense against it? there s no treatment for it. it s similar to smallpox, so the smallpox vaccine does offer some protection, however it s not specifically designed for it and there is no specific treatment for it other than supportive care. occasionally, a general antiviral medication can be given in very severe cases, but it doesn t always work. tucker: if you had an outbreak in this country, obviously the most advanced medical care in the world, do you think you could still see a 10% fatality rate? the ranges between 2-10% in terms of fatality and because our care in this country is so great we would hope it would to be one or 2% level. but there is no actual cure for it. young children would be more prone to really succumbing to this virus, so it could be very deadly in this country. it s important that scientists in this country are over trying to get a handle on what causes it we can t keep her head in the sand. we are a global society, anything can come here in a couple of days. thank you very much for your perspective. thank you. tucker: is a time to get real about tightening travel restrictions from companies where this outbreak is occurring. former official joins us tonight. david, i m against overreacting to anything, including this. but i also notice a certain overreaction on the other side, i ve seen with a bunch of other outbreaks of illness over the years where the globalists in our midst basically make the case it s mean to protect united states citizens from potential outbreaks of disease in this country, therefore we can t meaningfully screen people. would you take deposition in this case? monkeypox is a scary disease, as was ebola. and we should be doing everything we can to prevent people from getting it here into screen people who come here so we make sure it isn t brought here. it s important to note that in immigration and nationality act already requires medical screenings for refugees and other immigrants are coming. they have to be screened in their country of origin if they apply in the country of origin, or if they make it here without being screen, they have to be screened here before their immigration status is changed. look at how we dealt with ebola, which ultimately we dealt with it quite well and we ended up preventing it from having an outbreak you re in the u.s. the way we did that is we screen people at the airport, determine where they came from, if they were in africa, and if they came from a country where ebola was present, they could possibly be quarantined. that was the appropriate way to deal with ebola. tucker: this is the right way to deal with monkeypox as well. ebola is not actually contagious. if you don t have a lot of body fluids flying around you won t get ebola, there has never been an ebola outbreak in the west because of that. this can be spread through sneezing. it s a totally different thing. i guess my question is theoretical. i m not calling for any kind of quarantine to visitors here, but theoretically if you had a country with a real outbreak of this in central africa, why wouldn t you, in the interest of our population say we aren t taking anybody from that country? the only way to protect america was to ban people from coming to the country, that would be appropriate, but we have to look at lesser measures first. tucker: why? because if there are left lesser measures that allow you to not have a band but still protect america. tucker: why would we do that? i m not arguing for this in this case, but i m seeing theoretically there are a lot of diseases that could come her here. if your only real interest was protecting american citizens, which is not the real interest of our elites, as we both know. let s say you were following the constitution and looking out for your people as you are supposed to. anybody from any country other than this one anything, why would you let a single person from that country in here because that presents some risk. why would you do that to your people? look at the science. if they truly pose the risk and there s no way to mitigate that then that we should ban them, but we are a country of immigrants. thanksgiving is coming up in two weeks. children of immigrants. it s not that important, but it s an important policy that we do allow immigration, that we do encourage immigration, that we are a beacon of hope for people who come from oppressed countries. and as i said tucker: you wouldn t say i want to mitigate the risk. if you would say i want to eliminate the risk because i love them, they are my kids. my job is to protect them. our leaders don t feel that way about this. i will mitigate it, not totally fine, fine enough for you. you have to look at each disease when it comes up and you have to deal with it based on the science. as i said, if the only way to protect america is to ban people from a particular country, then we should do that, but that s not what we had to do with ebola, we did quarantine, that was enough. it s also important to remember that one of the ways we solved ebola is by bringing some people who are infected by care so they can get the great medical treatment that we have here in the u.s. in order to help our duty. tucker: we are out of time, thank you for that. deeply revealing, as always. interview with first daughter ivanka tromped after the break here s the story of green mountain coffee roasters sumatra reserve. let s go to sumatra. the coffee here is amazing. because the volcanic soil is amazing. so we give farmers like win more plants. to grow more delicious coffee. which helps provide for win s family. all, for a smoother tasting cup of coffee. green mountain coffee roasters. whentrust the brand doctors trust for themselves. nexium 24hr is the number one choice of doctors and pharmacists for their own frequent heartburn. and all day all night protection. when it comes to frequent heartburn, trust nexium 24hr. as well as to talk about the plight of american women compared to that of men. wbr id= wbr30660 /> here s part of our conversation. watch. tucker: you cut the asia trip short to come back and carry the banner for this bill, why? i was in japan at the invitation of prime minister abe to speak about women s participation in the workforce, a critical issue to the growth of the japanese economy, but also something we are very focused on in our administration as well. i decided not to go on because ultimately, tax reform is central to the administrations plans over the coming months, and it s critically important that we get it done, and we believe we can get it done. i decided not to meet up and continue the trip with the president. tucker: if i ran into you in an elevator and we we had to force me to make your pitch for the tax plan, what would it be? there s a dual focus. /b> much related tax relief to middle income families, and cutting taxes generally so that businesses can be competitive and thrive in a modern economy. and in a global world where there is tremendous competition. our tax plan accomplishes both of those things. tucker: that s a pretty good pitch. thank you. and simply vacation! we like supplication, so three. tucker: you were speaking to the japanese for women in the workplace, that is consistent with the theme you ve been on top of. i ve got three daughters and a son so i m paying attention to the numbers on this, and it seems like in this country, the crisis is among boys, not girls. girls graduate from college at a much higher number. if it really seems like the problem is not women in the united states, and i wonder if you think that s a wrong analysis. i do. i think there are certainly the problems you noted are broader than economic problems. those may be individual to boys, but while women comprise 47% of the workforce, we are very underrepresented in fields that will be critically important when you think about the jobs of the future. you look at the technology industry, we represent 21% of people intact, that s a problem when you think about where jobs will be created going forward, 13% of engineers, so we have to change that. i think that our tax plan takes a big step in terms of helping the american family with the high cost of raising children, the fact that the average american family spends almost 30% of pretax income on the cost of child care. the cost of child care has gone through the roof, and families just can t afford it, so women are disproportionately leaving the workforce. there are unique challenges, but i think our tax plan is very helpful towards providing middle income relief so that families can thrive. an expansion of the child, child tax credit, maintaining the child and dependent care credit as part of tax reform. doubling the standard deduction. really it s the central theme, middle income americans and supporting wbr id= wbr32580 /> them. we spend less than any country in the developed world on children between the ages of 0-5. it s a fact, we don t wbr id= wbr32680 /> invest enough resources. dome xp meaning the government invests less gimmick as a society. we as families. but as a government in terms of schooling starts at the age of 5. there s not a lot of support for families in the early years. undeniably it s very expensive to raise children. a stay-at-home parent, investing and potentially after-school activities, mommy and me classes. food, and whatever it is that they think is the best /b> investment to help their family and their children. tucker: last question, are you worried for senate will change it in ways that make it less wbr-id= wbr33200 /> effective, or even on acceptable? 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candid views of this president. you talk to them one on one, they re pretty up front about the fact that they don t take all the president s words to heart. that they are kind of getting used to how he conducts himself and his disregard for the facts. and that s a remarkable thing for an american president, members of his own party, in the congress to say. it s where we are. and i m kind of used to it too now, because you talk to members of the congress. and in private, they don t even bother offering a defense of this president. they acknowledge he says things that are not true. look at what bob corker told us a few months ago in that interview, where he really broke with the president. he said the president tweets things that are not true, you know it, i know it, he knows it, damage to the fabric of american democracy, and that s an extraordinary thing for them to say. yeah. but yet they won t say it publicly. here s what i have to ask you, and one of the main reasons i m asking you. in are other reasons i m asking you about this. i m not sure if you heard the conversation i had just before you, with the military folks. talking about possibly going to war with north korea. do they question this president s grasp of reality. this is a person who can declare war. who has the military codes, but is lying and admits he does, and doesn t have a grasp on reality opinion do they voice concern about that? senator corker mentioned this to me a few months ago, he s uneasy about it i think what these lawmakers comfort themselves with is the fact they believe a lot of what the president does is mere bluster, he is blowing off steam, he doesn t follow through with his threats. i think they reassure themselves that he s not going to follow through with the comments he makes, they re merely words. they look at people around the president like john kelly. and they believe there is some restraint around a president if he does act impulsively, for the most point they ve gotten to the point where 11 months into this administration, they don t believe he s going to follow through with what he says and does. they do discount his public tweets and threats. what was it, the new word of the year was complicit? there s a good reason for that. jonathan, i want you to stand by, i want to bring in david now. weren t you hear the night that access hollywood tape were we on the air that night? we kept waiting for the apology to come the president apologized. i ve said and done things i regret. and the words released today on this more than a decade old video are one of them. i said it, i was wrong and i apologize. i said it, i was wrong and i apologize. now i want to send investigators, it s not me, it doesn t sound like me, it s what? yeah, don, so what. as you said, that day that that tape came out. my washington post colleague reported this story, we were on the air later that night. waiting for the president to come out and make that statement you just played. now that we re a little more than a year later, you probably would expect the president at this point still love him or hate him, to not acknowledge the many allegations against him. you wouldn t expect him to acknowledge things that he could be in jeopardy for, you would expect anyone especially the president of the united states to acknowledge a tape we ve all heard with our own ears and for which he apologized in a videotaped address you played. that is the lengths president trump will go to rewrite history on these cases, whether it s on that, whether it s on president obama s birth certificate, on a whole host of issues. but you just don t expect the president of the united states to lie as my dad would say, flat foot in your face. apparently now we do. for everyone who reads that story, what i took away from those quotes, from those members of congress who were speaking on background was this idea that they ve already priced in that you can only sort of take everything the president says to them in private with a grain of salt, you talk to the president. i m going by my take from these quotes. you talk to the president, he says some thenks, some of it is probably not that true. some of it maybe is true. you move on and work with members of the administration. but not not taking the president fully at his word. that is the gift of what some of those folks were telling jonathan in that story. a year into a four-year term, that s where a lot of people are, it s unfortunate. we all expect politicians and political operatives to spin, it s another thing, to just flatly go against what people know very well from their own eyes and ears. i want you to. remember this i want to play this for you. it s a strange press conference the president gave during the campaign. where he walked back from the birtherism. although it was tepid, he was like barack obama was born in the united states, period now we all want to get back to making america strong and great again. i just as a black person, seeing those people behind him. really? come on. the former president who he made up those bogus claims about said that all along i can t believe how ridiculous this is. we have better things and much more important things to deal with. it s clear he didn t believe it, he didn t want to say it, and he doesn t believe that now. or maybe he does, maybe there s some reason he s saying it, he just doesn t like the president who he inherited a great economy from. a great job market from, who he continues to say, you know, the stock market s doing great, doing great for years under barack obama. i wonder what he would have said if he inherited from barack obama what he inherited from the president before him. there s something particularly loathsome about the way president trump glommed on to the birther movement as a way to crawl his way to the top of the heap in presidential politics. leaving that aside for a moment. the president part of this is about president obama, and part of it is about president trump himself. it s about obama to the degree you feel like he s still in competition about president obama. he brags that the stock market is up 20% since he s been president. it was up 150% over obama s eight years. he knows that, i think his behavior suggests he s in competition with president obama. the part of this that s about president trump. and regardless of president obama. is that our presidents from george washington to president obama, you have to have a healthy ego to run for president, to say, i can be the leader of the free world. most presidents come to the job with an agenda, and trying to accomplish something for their legacy. for history. the ethos of president trump so far, he s daily seeking the affirmation of himself. he s often saying behind the scenes, he can t accept the results of the election. or can t accept president obama s birth certificate or can t affirm what he said on the access hollywood tape. those things don t redowned to the image he wants to have. so much more to talk about. i only have so many hours in the day, and so many hours in this broadcast. thank you, david. appreciate it. wonder what you re going to be reporting tomorrow, or in the next couple hours. i want to bring in now, a new york times columnist who has been standing by patiently here, what do you make of this? you know, presidents always exaggerate, they spin, they re always at least tethered to reality. sometimes with a long tether. president trump is the first president i ve seen who is untethered, and he s been this way not only for the last year, but for decades, and i think what is also unusual is typically, when we elect a flawed person, that person grows into the presidency, president trump has had a remarkable ability to stay the same as he s always been. you re being kind saying flawed? yes, i am. the thing that people don t want to talk about, this is not rational, this is not sane. this is crazy. there are two aspects here. one is the degree to which this demeans the u.s., degrades the presidency. it s hard to call the president a liar. it s hard to question the president s grasp of reality, as a journalist, i feel i have more respect for the office he holds than he does. saz a person who s supposed to call into question, supposed to hold the president s feet to the fire i feel an obligation to say this is nuts, this is insane. i do think we i think you re absolutely right. we respect the office by holding the people who hold that office accountable. i think our job as journalists has to be to try to continue that true squadding, and this raises obvious questions about what this does to american soft power, to the to the role of the presidency, also to the degree to which decisions are made based on facts, as opposed to some sort of alternative reality. this is what the reporter in the piece, maggie haber man tweeted. it was one of the rare moments he felt public humiliation in his life, people who know him say he s trying to will it away to some extent when he talks about it. what is going on? is he gaslighting himself? what is that. i really do think there is a continuous pattern here, what he s doing now with that access hollywood tape, is the same thing he was doing in the late 1960s, when he was caught denying blacks access to his apartment buildings in new york city. and he absolutely dede nighed what was crystal clear, what was proven in documents. and this has been a continuous pattern throughout his career, a lot of other countries do this too. i spent five years in china, where political leaders routinely if they don t like a reality, they construct an alternative one. and any connection with reality is largely coincidental. i think that s what president trump is doing. if a situation doesn t work, he invents a new one. we used to have the luxury of saying it happens over there. now those sort of dictatorial behaviors and is being used on american people. and it has a real cost. speaking of, north korea, i want to turn to north korea now, the president is now reacting, this is the frightening part, north korea s launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile earlier today. as you probably have heard, and some of you have reported a missile was launched a little while ago from north korea. i will only tell you we will take care of it, we have general mattis in the room with us. we have had a long discussion on it. it is a situation we will handle. that was toned down, and it should be. do you think he realizes the seriousness of the moment? i hope so. i think there s a lot of nervousness in congress and in the pentagon that there s a growing recognition that our strategy has failed, our strategy had been to get china to apply pressure to north korea through sanctions to get north korea to change its behavior, i don t think anybody thinks that is working, it s also clear that our strategic aim was to get denuclearization of the korean peninsula, was not feasible. we have a strategic aim that is not feasible. we have a tactic and policy that is not working, and so there s a lot of anxiety that what s left that president trump may as he has promised, talk about military options, and presidents have thought about this since president nixon in 1969, they ve always pulled back, because those options are so awful. i know you know the power of your words, and i can feel you weighing them every time you come here, i always appreciate your candor, i think when you come on this show, you re always honest, and i think you re even more honest, i appreciate that. good to be with you, don. president trump continuing to push false conspiracy theorys from the access hollywood tape, does a president really believe all this? 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you can do anything. before his inauguration, trump told a republican senator, he wanted to investigate that recording, even though he himself admitted he said those words and apologized for saying them. i said it, i was wrong. and i apologize. so which is it, mr. president, should we believe your apology then or your apparent denial now? i want to bring in tina nguyen who wrote that article. julia yaffe who is a staff writer for the atlantic. when donald trump tells a half truth or all out wli, he does so with assurance that it is often impossible to tell whether the president is deliberately disassembling, creating more comfortable depictions for himself give us examples? the one that comes to mind is the feud he had with jeff flake who delivered a blistering indictment of him when he announced his retirement. when asked to respond, he said, i don t know who jeff flake is, he s never met me. they met months before he was even elected. i could go on and on and on. gop tax cut zm. yeah, he claims he s not going to get any sort of benefit from the tax cut, which is pretty incorrect honestly, the entire history of covering donald trump has been what he s saying matching up with the truth. what about the fake renoir painting? he has a painting in his house that he insists is real. and the real one is hanging up in chicago. that s been debunked for a long time. but he still insists he has the real one. president trump continues to insist the voice on the access hollywood tape isn t him. and he s questioning the authenticity of barack obama s birth certificate behind closed doors. he also claims he lost the popular vote because of widespread voter fraud. does he possibly believe these things? i think it s something that he decides on a moment by moment basis. so his pattern is to establish many different claims about the same thing. so he could at one moment say that president obama was not born in the united states. then he could say i m sending detectives to honolulu to investigate, and then say oh, they re finding amazing things, and none of those things are true. but it s a great story to tell he can fall back on, and then i think he really does imagine that we re all buying this. that we only are aware of what he s saying in the moment. it s almost as if he s living out he declared would be his life. when he was much younger he said his life is a comic book, and he s the star of it. the show is trump and it s sold out every night. he oirk straights his life as if it s a dramatic performance. and we re the audience and the people around him are props. reality just depends on what the show is that moment. and if it needs to change, he changes it. i see you re nodding in agreement. you wrote a great piece about the president manipulating the media in a putin-esque way. putin figured out a better way to keep the press in line. explain how president trump is doing the same thing? we ve seen reports. it s weird i m saying this on cnn. we ve seen reports that one of the reasons that the time warner/at&t merger was blocked by the trump justice department was cnn s coverage. and cnn has been a constant punching bag for this president. he calls it fake news. he s at times literally like to tweet about punching cnn. this is the tactic the kremlin has figured out. they don t kill journalists any more, they just lean on the big company that owns as one of its many, many assets a cnn or a bloomberg or whatever publication, or an advertiser who among many other things, advertises in some magazine that s critical of avladimir putin, behind the scenes they lean on them. they don t want to risk their big business empire. they stop advertising or sell off the media property, they get laid off, they leave journal i678, because they have families to support. the reason independent media died in russia is because all the outlets were shut down for economic reasons. the kremlin has perfect plausible deniability. they can say, we had nothing to do with it. if the advertisers don t want to advertise with you, you don t have an economically feasible model, it has nothing to do with putsen. where it does. i appreciate all of you joining me here this evening. when we come back, the president told me he is the least racist person. just because you say it, doesn t make it so. we re going to dive deep into president trump s insensitive statements next. our average customer can significantly lower their monthly bills. quick. beat the fed s next rate hike. do not miss this window. are you sure you have the best rate? it only takes 3 minutes to find out. go to lendingtree.com right now. warren were sure applause lines on the campaign trail. and pocahontas is not happy. she s the worst. when the insult was repeated in front of navajo code talkers, only silence followed. the democratic senator called it a racial swlur. i think that s a ridiculous response. it s far from the only time the president has crossed racially sensitive lines. when a white supremacist rally ended in bloodshed. he suggested the counter protesters also bore blame. you had some very bad people in that group, you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. as the nfl players protest against police treatment of african-americans evolved. he was quick to demand their firing, tweeting about it numerous times, including this morning. the american public is fed up with the disrespect the nfl is paying to our country. out of control. he is as president who he was as a candidate. look at my african over here. look at him. while he bragged about support among minorities, he beat his base by demonizing them. immigrants from mexico. they re bringing drugs, they re bringing crime. they re bringing rapists and some i assume are good people. an american judge trump argued was biassed against him. he s of mexican heritage and his very proud of it. you have sacrificed nothing. and no one. the muslim mother of an american soldier killed in combat after her husband spoke against trump during the democratic convention. she was standing there, she had nothing to say, she probably maybe she wasn t allowed to have anything to say, you tell me. he relentlessly and falsely suggested the nation s first black president barack obama was not a natural born citizen. if he wasn t born in this country, he has pulled one of the great cons in the history of politics. trump refused to believe five young men were falsely accused of savage rape in central park in the 80s. trump has continually and emphatically defended himself against charges of prejudice. i am the least racist person. are you bigoted in anyway? i don t think so, no. islam phobic? no, not at all. when people say you re racist or homophobic or islam phobic or whatever it is. or compare you to hitler. does that bother you? if things are true, it would bother me tremendously. the president almost always doubles down on his remarks and his defenders deny any racist intent. those denials are less and less convincing as more examples pile up. when we come back, is there a deeper political motive behind the president s statements, or does he actually believe all of this? getting a bad haircut. overcrowded trains. turnstiles that don t turn. and spilling coffee on themselves. but for everyone else, there s directv. for #1 rated customer satisfaction over cable, switch to directv. and for a limited time get a $100 reward card. call 1-800-directv give a little bit give a little bit. -hello. give a little bit. . of your love to me oh, haha. there s so much that we need to share so send a smile and show that you care i ll give a little bit of my love to you to find smarter solutions. to offer more precise and less invasive treatment options than before. like advanced genomic testing and immunotherapy. see how we re fighting to outsmart cancer at cancercenter.com/outsmart and her new mobile wedding business.tte at first, getting paid was tough. until she got quickbooks. now she sends invoices, sees when they ve been viewed and-ta-dah-paid twice as fast for free. visit quickbooks-dot-com. of us were here. although we have a representative in congress who they say was here a long time ago. they call her pocahontas. there was silence after that comment. because everyone in the room knew he was using a racial slur directed at senator elizabeth baron. joining me now, bakari sellers and ed martin. good evening everyone, here we are bakari, i want to read this, this is from maggie haber man. this is from the new york times. it says, in recent months, they say mr. trump has used closed door conversations to question the authenticity of president barack obama s birth certificate, he claims he lost the popular vote last year because of widespread voter fraud. one senator who listened as the president revived his doubts chuckled on tuesday as recalled the conversation. the president has had a hard time letting go of his claim that the president was not born in the united states. his political career began with birtherism, this was a conspiracy theory he harbored. why can t he let this go? maybe because that s who he is. i don t think this is anything new about his character, you can go back to atlantic city, can you go back to the central park five, housing discrimination, his comments about muslim americans, about mexican americans, judge curial, we can talk about the usage of pocahontas under the portrait of andrew jackson. at a memorial where we remembered some world war ii veterans. you can go through this long litany of things. the problem we have is two fold, people are becoming desensitized when he makes racially innoce e insensitive comments. two, you have good people who are willing to set aside that and still support him anyway. so those two groups of individuals, the ones who are desensitized to this, and the ones who are putting this aside and supporting him anyway. are a bigger problem than donald trump in my opinion. i happen to agree with bakari on that. the excuse of this is just who he is, many of us warned the american people that this is who he is they cast that aside, and didn t care. just because you can explain it, doesn t mean you should excuse it. that s what people who supported donald trump are continuing to do now when he lies and behaves in a way that is is existential threat to our republican, our norms and institutions, every single day, something else comes out that demonstrates the threat he poses. it s sour grapes. because he won. no, it s not sour grapes, pointing out what s happening, the reality in front of us is not sour grapes, those of us are concerned with how do we move forward. how do we protect the country from this, you cannot have a functioning government, when the president of the united states behaves this way. and i mean, he knows the comments offend people, but he doesn t want he says that he doesn t want to stop insulting people. why does he keep saying then? i mean, two quick comments, guys, i know we re talking about some of these comments and i hear them. donald trump s political career, if you look back over 25, 30 years, he s been talking about immigration and china, and other issues, in addition to some of these comments you brought up. i watched your show, i watch your show with some devotion. and i m on frequently, when i watch the new york times reporter report a series of anonymous sources, the main one is a senator who made comments before the inauguration about the president s state of mind regarding the access hollywood. there s a reason out here maggy has been on day after day now about anonymous sources about the state of mind where sarah huckabee-sanders gets out and says he hasn t changed his mind. you realize these are the same reporters the president calls frequently whenever he wants to get his message out. and she s so discretted why did the president call her? the question was why does he continue to do it when he knows it s an insult? about pocahontas you mean? why does he continue to insult even beyond pocahontas? i don t think it s a racial slur in anyway. and if you call someone who isn t a native-american pocahontas i think that isn t a slur. i think that s called making fun of someone, not a racial slur. we don t know that she is. she s already admitted regardless it s not the forum. it s inappropriate. does anybody realize pocahontas was a real person? she s associated with james town in 1613. she was actually kidnapped by white cologniests. and died of a horrible disease. and died of a horrible disease. there is nothing about that story there is nothing about that story that you should actually use that. let me help you understand this. this is like you calling me j.j. or even more importantly you calling me leroy. it s the same thing. no, it s not. listen, i ve got to say this because i m out of time. disney made a movie about pocahontas and the movies with to honor pocahontas not to make fun of her. and it s a real story. exactly. and i agree it s not a slur. i mean wish i had time to take care of my portfolio, but.. why aren t you using this guy? 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too small. reporter: now that sense of ownership is gone. the trump organization which no longer runs the building says it had no hand in vetting the people who financed, sold or bought it. now that president trump is in the white house. uh-huh. reporter: do you think the trump organization and the trump family are trying to distance themselves from you? i wouldn t say that they re trying, because i don t think that i can harm them. reporter: it took months to track alexander ventura down and persuade limb to shim to sit wi interview. he asked we disguise his appearance, he s on the run in panama wanted for fraud saying he sold hundreds of united nations in the trump club to hide their identities. banks weren t asking questions where the money was coming from? no. never. reporter: sounds like nobody was asking questions. not you, not the trump organization, not the banks, not the developers? nobody. nobody. reporte nobody checked anybody out. people were buying, spending millions 5, 10, 20 units at a time. the money would go to ventura. reporter: if you want to know about the flow of dirty money through panama, monty freezener is the man to ask. in 1992, he was convicted in federal court of 20 counts of money laundering and fraud. he still knows all the players and all the plays. do you think it s possible trump didn t know the kind of people buying in his building? he didn t know. reporter: how could he not have known? because you don t walk up to somebody, hey, are you russian mafia? reporter: is it fair to say trump didn t ask because he didn t want to know. would you want to know? reporter: i would want to know who s buying a building with my name on it. because it s you. most, no. they don t care. reporter: a team from global witness, an anti-corruption watchdog often critic al of businesses and their connections to government officials spent reporter: take the cocaine and turn it into a building? yeah. reporter: how do you know. i saw it happening. reporter: this booming market the trump organization was entering plans seen in this marketing el strags, tallest in latin america at the time with a mix of hotel rooms and high-end condos all on a plot of land owned by a small time local businessman, roger kafif, the buildings main builder. ivanka met the team. my company would be selling the united nations art according to ventura, ivanka was planning to pre-sell units around $120,000 each. ventura said he could tell them for a lot more. reporter: what did she say? happy with that, but can you sell it at that price? i said, yes. the agreement, i had a week to sell 100 units. reporter: how did you them them in a week? easy to stell in fact with his name. reporter: the name of the most famous man in real estate also the building salesman in chief. one of the great things about panama, not only the beautiful building but incredible views. the name trump was magic. and he came down. donald trump came down. he has a great presence. he s a fabulous marketing person. reporter: but according to ventura, it was ivanka trump who handled all the details. what kinds of things did ivanka do? meeting with the architects, deciding the the finishings of the project. and the prices. when is going to be released. when it not going to be released it. everything they did with the project, because according to the contract, trump organization has to approve everything, because his name on the project anyway. reporter: sounds like the trump organization, specifically ivanka, was deeply involved? yes. she was the person responsibility for the project. reporter: ventura, had a small real estate agency, now selling the trump brand. he had made the big leagues. he became overnight a mover of money. reporter: who was it that ventura and the firm homes were targeting? russians. russians that had dirty money. reporter: specifically? specifically. and then the russian mafia came in. a guy called alexander sasha ocho. reporter: what was he doing in panama? came down made a proposal to ventura and made him an offer he couldn t refuse. reporter: he became a partner in ventura s marketing firm but we can t verify his connection to the russian mafia because although the allegation has been repeated in several court cases, he seems to fend off the charges every time. another partner, stanislav bought several units in the building and since accused of running a prostitution ring in canada but the case was dropped when both key witnesses disappeared. the firms representative in kiev later found by a ukrainian court guilty of people smuggling. one of the customers who bought units in the building was an ex-convict who served time in israel for kidnapping and those are just the ones we managed to identify. claiming he didn t know it at the time, ventura admits he was selling places in the building to russian customers. i can some customers with questionable background. reporter: what does that mean? i mean you know, i fund out later. not in the beginning from like belongs to mafia. russian mafia, things like that. but, anyway, i was not getting paid in cash. reporter: that is not the story we heard from freezener. they used half a dozen lawyers, would come pick up $1 million in a satchel. reporter: happening at the trump ocean club? yeah. reporter: so ventura was marketing the trump ocean club as part of a real estate portfolio where corrupt people could park their money? you got it. reporter: and they did. yeah. but they didn t just park the money. the money was turned over consistently. reporter: how does a luxury tower become a money laundromat? the buyer uses dirty money to buy unit 1605 in the unbuilt to you perp sometimes just two weeks later unit 1605 gets resold. the money coming out of the building is now clean. the proceeds of a legitimate real estate deal. the only way to trace its dirty origins would be to go back to the beginning, and identify the original buyer. and that should be relatively easy. but not in panama. our investigation led us here to panama s public registry. after going through a lot of paperwork a pattern started to emerge. tushs out many of the condo units aren t owned by individuals but panamanian corporations, often with generic names like ocean trump 1605 investment corporation. so why would someone use a corporation to buy a condo? often to hide the identity of the real buyer. one of the things we, with these shell companies is, you can simply transfer the company, the buyer s share, to anybody you want. reporter: you set up a shell company. nobody knows who s the actual owner, and then you buy the unit. get a piece of paper saying you own the unit. you re the owner. reporter: and do what you want with that? you re holding money. holding $1 million. not even a check. in a bear s share. you can transfer it to anybody. reporter: fold if and put it in your pocket? correct. reporter: you were coming in with hundreds of buy jers did the trump organization want to know who these buyers were? where the money was coming from? no. not that i m aware of. you know? no. not at all. reporter: did they ever ask you? no. reporter: were these buyers planning on living in these units, in these apartments? most of them, no. reporter: that never raised alarm bells with you? somebody buying 15 units, doesn t want to live in the place, from from russia? no. because that was normal. they had laundry money, that s their problem. reporter: and it wasn t just russians. one of the most famous money launderers in the world, davide guzman bought units in the building too. we met a former panamanian prosecutor who worked on the guzman case. [ speaking in foreign language ] translator: the guzman investigation was a vast case and as part of it we had information that alexandr ventura was the partner. reporter: we heard the same thing from freezener. guzman and ventura. reporter: was their relationship between both business partners. they became, after a couple years business partners. reporter: how did they work together? how did that collaboration work? david would bring the money in and the money would get distributed. reporter: what about guzman? ventura, they basically slept in the same bed. reporter: guzman is in u.s. custody convicted of laundering millions of dollars for mexican drug dealers. reporter: were you guzman s man no, no. i had 45 days with him and we never talked about anything illegal. you know? reporter: but he did admit he and guzman did some business together. reporter: so you moved some of guzman s money into the trump ocean club? yes, i did. yes. reporter: how many units? well, not many. i think maybe maximum ten units. reporter: did you investigate ventura and translator: yes. alexandr ventura was in the investigation for fraud reporter: did you find out? translator: at the time i was working four, five fraud case he was involved in. reporter: fraud, because ventura seems to have gotten too greedy. after a while, collecting a 3% commission wasn t enough. he started selling units on paper, in several buildings to more than one buyer at a time. eventually his peer mid-scheme collapsed. he was arrested and charged with fraud. somehow he managed to get bail and escape the country. in a statement to nbc news, a spokesman wrote that the trump organization was not the owner, developer or seller of the trump ocean club panama project, and that the trump organization was not responsible for the financing of the project and had no involvement in the sale of units or the retention of any real estate brokers. the spokesman said the trump organization had no relationship with ventura or knowledge of the allegations against him. we also asked ivanka trump for comment, but her team referred us back to this statement. i believe this is the picture of you with president trump? yes, that s correct. that s mar-a-lago, yes. reporter: meeting with him, stop, pose for the photograph. yes. reporter: ventura didn t mind showing us old pictures as long as we didn t show what he looked like now. reporter: and you re interaction with him is good job? keep up the good work? keep selling? keep selling. that s it. reporter: how many units did you personally sell? i believe between 350 to 400 units from the project. reporter: worth how much? over, a little bit over $100 million. reporter: over $100 million? yes. when the trump organization goes into a licensing deal, sells its name and brand, on one side the trump organization is deeply involved. the family involved. so they can be very hands-on. very, very interested when they want to be. when it comes to problems, like there might be dodgy money involved, dodgy clients, they don t want to know. that s the developer s responsibility. not our responsibility. look, you spent your life around criminals, or investigating criminals? i was a criminal. reporter: being a criminal. yeah. reporter: what do you think about the kind of business trump was lending his name to? i m not trying to protect him, but he is not the one that s doing all of this. he simply has a name. a corporation. that s what it is. reporter: do you think people should be judged by the company they keep and the businesses they run? erch definitely. 100%. if i was somebody like trump i d do a background check and want to know who they buy their underwear from. so there isn t any connection to any form of crime. reporter: as a former money launderer, the trump ocean club. how would you trait? in its quality? for money laundering? oh i d say aaa. reporter: there is no suggestion that the president or his family were directly involved in any of the illegal activity it that went on here. as we said, they were just licensing out the trump brand. and initially managing the building. it s just that this building was magnet for dirty money and we found no sign to flaect brand, which is perhaps now our nation s most prominent brand from being tarnished by association. the building was opened in 2011. [ applause ] and onstage were three men. our future president, the developer, and panama s president, who was then a close friend. thank you very much for being here today. and you re my friend. reporter: martinelli is now awaiting extradition decision in a jail cell in a federal detention center in miami. we ll tell you that whole story next. more people shop online for the holidays than ever before. (clapping) and the united states postal service delivers more of those purchases to homes than anyone else in the country. ( ) because we know, even the smallest things are sometimes the biggest. welcome back to panama. since completed in 2011, that building, the trump ocean club we told you about has seen hard times. the develop company went bankrupt and seems most everybody who invested in the building lost money. except, of course, for the trump organization. it was forced out of the building s management s but still runs the hotel side of the business. and even we found when we stayed there recently, the building seems almost empty, the trump organization continues to collect a licensing fee, just for the use of the name. financial filings suggests that by 2010, those fees added up to more than $70 million. ricardo martinelli, former president of panama, he didn t do as well. the man who helped the trump ocean club get off the ground is now in a federal detention center in miami feeling a lot less presidential than he did when he helped inaugurate the building. [ applause ] reporter: a billionaire with sharp elbows and political ambitions. ricardo martinelli a perfect match for donald trump. i want to just thank you very much for being here today, and you re my friend. [ applause ] great honor. reporter: and martinelli was first to realize his political ambition two one by the time the trump ocean club opened in 2011. he was president of panama. his very presence sent a message. this was a well-connected project. martinelli liked to mention every time that he has a very good business relation with trump. reporter: law professor miguel antonio is an opposition member and outspoken critic of martinelli saying the trump building could not have opened its doors without the blessing of the president. did martinelli help get this building off the ground? sure. because panama, you can do this kind of thing without the president advice or the president s agreement. [ cheers and applause ] reporter: ricardo martinelli, whom a u.s. diplomat described in a leaked cable having a limited attention span and making strong impulsive decisions had much in common with the future president of the united states. like trump, martinelli also built himself a lucrative real estate empire. owned panama s largest chain of supermarkets, but money wasn t enough. martinelli wanted power, too, why he decided to run for president. and this man is head of the panamanian branch of transparency international. finding many similarities with candidate trump. lack of experience in government management, campaigning on the ticket of the outsider. reporter: in 2009, martinelli ran a colorful campaign. [ applause ] his antics earned him the nickname, loco the crazy one. a name he embraced. created a slogan during the campaign. we the crazy people are the majority. reporter: and they were. martinelli won by a landslide on the promise of a better future for panama. for a while it seemed he d kept his word. the economy boomed, unemployment dropped, martinelli oversaw expansion of the panama canal and opened a sub swaye systway soon allegations of corruption started to surface. martinelli was bhmore than a president. an absolute monarch. former mayor of panama city and leader of the opposition accusing martinelli of running the country like his own business. he ruled not only the executive branch, he had his hands in the legislative branch. he had his hands in the judiciary. he broke the law. he broke the constitution, violated every possible rule. and got away with it, for a time. he really was a person looking out for his own interests and not the interests of the country, and during his time, what happened in the country was without precedence. it was the largest scale robbery of our treasury. reporter: not long after his term ended, martinelli quietly boarded a private jet and disappeared. days later, panama s supreme court charged him with embezzlement and illegal wiretapping. reporter: what did martinelli do to you? violated and tapped conversations i had with my wife. my kids. and my entire staff. my professional staff. also with my campaign manager. and all of my campaign team. reporter: martinelli ended up living in the lap of luxury in miami. but eventually, the law caught up with him and he s now sitting in a federal dissension center awaiting a decision on his fate. panama is demanding his extradition and he s appealing to the courts, but ultimately the decision will be made by the state department raising the question of whether there could be interference from the white house. if you would have asked me in january before mr. trump took the oath of office, i would have said, no. but with everything that we ve learned since january to now of how there are very blurred lines regarding the business interests of the trump organization, and the business of government, my answer would be, i don t know. i would be outraged if mr. trump intervenes and overrules the lawyers and the legal department at state to help his friend mr. martinelli stay in the u.s. and avoid justice. reporter: whether or not the president would still call martinel afriend is now anyone s guess. and that s not the point, really. what this situation shows is how sticky the whole issue of conflicts of interest, real or perceived, can be. so how do we frame what we ve uncovered here? do we see it through the lens of corporate responsibility and ethical standards? or are there also legal issues to consider? we ll be talking next to a former prosecutor about that. us. it s what this country is made of. but right now, our bond is fraying. how do we get back to us ? the 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business in a high-risk jurisdiction will money laundering occurs needs to be careful. needs to take a number of precautions. does it seem to you those precautions were taken or do we not know at this stage? i don t know based on your reporting but i can tell you what the real risks are in a situation like that. basically, the u.s. company needs to be careful both in terms of going into the deal and on the way out. going into the deal you need to worry a little bit about whether money is going to grease the skids for any foreign politicians which is a violation of u.s. law and then, of course, when it s time to sell the condos, you do have to be cautious about whether the people buying those condos are criminals looking to wash their money. so here s the issue. the statement we received from the trump organization made a clear line saying that it wasn t directly involved in sales. so, therefore, doesn t really take responsibility for who was buying, who was selling, but does the fact that the trump organization was getting a piece, getting a percentage of the units that were sold, does that make a difference? well, the fact it was licensing its name really doesn t make a difference at all in terms of how u.s. money laundering law operates. the only issue, really, that s i m talking about getting a piece of the units sold? every unit sold, the trump organization got a got a check for it? well, that may or may not matter. the critical question is, did the trump organization or any similar organization know that the money coming in was criminal from criminal activity or did it turn a blind eye to it? you ve prosecuted cases like this. what would it look like, if talking about company that was operating here in panama, but wasn t directly controlling the buying and selling, but it turns out, and our investigation has shown, that the people buying and selling were dubious. does that parent company, the company lending its name, bear any responsibility? yes. it s all going to turn on, not the technical niceties, not the formalities of, were you licensing, were you not? it s going to turn on nitty-gritty facts in the end of, what did the u.s. company know about its panamanian partner and its conduct and what didn t it know? and that s a very fact-intensive thing that is very interesting here. it s about intent. really. if they knew what was going and and didn t do anything, it s a problem. didn t know, they can claim they didn t know. right. that s that s exactly right. arlo devon-brown, former public corruption unit chief, southern district of new york. thank you for joining us. thank you. up ahead, we look at the bigger picture of the global trump brand, and ask, is the president s business getting in the way of the business of the presidency? i just got my cashback match, people are fighting type 2 diabetes. with fitness. food. and the pill that starts with f. farxiga, along with diet and exercise, helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 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to be always a lot of news these days, to take a closer look at our president s business empire around the world starting with that building behind me. reporter: donald trump rose to national prominence as a casino mogul. opening day in what donald trump in typical understatement is calling the eighth wonder of the world. the trump taj mahal. reporter: then the casino business caught up with him. midnight, witching hour for donald trump if he can t make an interest payment of $47 million or work out a deal with creditors. his casino in atlantic city faces bankruptcy. reporter: a series of those financial troubles resulted in him filing for corporate bankruptcy six times. so he got out of the casino business. he expanded his business interests overseas. the panama tower is just one of many international business ventures he dabbled in. the trump business empire now spans across five continents and nearly two dozen countries including licensing. according to the washington post, donald trump has licensed his name to at least 50 different licensing or management deals. take, for example, argentina where donald trump licensed his name for a 35-story trump tower. when the president of argentina called president trump to congratulate him on his win, local reports in argentina surfaced that president trump reportedly asked the president to help him get approvals for his project pushed through. throws reports were denied by the argentine president s office. the city also denied the permit. in uruguay, trump has a licensing deal for a residential tower that is currently under construction. earlier this year, eric trump traveled to uruguay to check on the building s progress. his trip cost taxpayers close to $100,000 in hotel bills for the secret service. in canada, in toronto, trump struck a deal with a russian-born canadian billion mayor to license his name using a russian state run bank to finance the project. a bank under u.s. sanctions. in the former soviet republic, in as you azerbaijan, built in m of a sale. donald trump s partners in the deal a powerful family with ties to iran s revolutionary guard pap few weeks before taking office, trump canceled the deal, leaving an almost complete never opened hotel. but not before earning nearly $3 million from the project according to his financial disclosure forms. in turkey, trump has licensed his name to trump towers istanbul. his partner comes from a wealthy, well-connected family in turkey, but more recently the turkish president has gone after trump s partner. some experts suggest by going after his partner, the turkish president is exerting political pressure on trump. turkey s leader asked the administration to extradite a cleric turkey wants who was living in the united states. and those are just some of the deals. there are many more. most of these business deals are with foreign heavy hitters and with the president refusing to divest ownership of any of his businesses, some experts argue they are 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are we all now a little bit guilty by association? we all n guilty by association? i spoke to one person who has been thinking about that a lot lately. i thought the american system was supposed to be designed differently. i thought we were not supposed to look like the philippines or others. she learned about corruption the hard way. she lived in afghanistan for nearly a decade where she exposed dirty officials. a risky thing for american women to be doing. he is using his power. she provides testimony to congressional hearings and now a court case in which the president himself is a defendant of the will. the president of the united states is receiving money, fees, just a flood of items of value from a variety of different foreign governments without ever having consulted congress or congress ever having made a statement as to whether that s legal or not. that according to the liberal watch dog group that filed the lawsuit is a violation of the foreign emom umts clause. no person holding any office of trust shall without the consent of congress accept whatever from any king, prince or foreign state. she believes it has a modern day application. if you choose the shoulder the honor of serving the people of the united states of america as their president, you can t simultaneously be serving yourself as a businessman. choose. one or the other. why not let congress pursue this? why the lawsuit? this is a clear violation of a constitutional provision. congress has shown no interest in defending that constitutional provision if we can t test the constitution in the courts, where can we test it? she wrote a brief for the case, identifying specific examples of overseas business interests the president has that may be a violation of the emoluments clause. high on the list, the club in panama. that is not the only problem. what does that tell that you this was the first project he chose to do internationally? it is of concern to me. because what it suggests is that this was a business operation seeking easy money. that often means illegal money. it means dealing with a government that is bent on self enrichment, rather than bent on serving its own people. it is a bad sign. before he took office, the president tried, some say unsuccessfully, to draw a line under his past by putting his business empire into a trust held by his sons. his lawyers also dug deep into the statute books and pulled out a get-out clause which exempts a president from prosecution over conflicts of interest. the president he will braced it immediately. i have a no conflict interest because i m president. is the president above conflict of interest laws? in terms of the integrity of our government, america has been relying on a tissue of norms and expectations. it turns out that a determined person will blow through norms and expectations. so the current laws were not built for the trump administration. the current laws were not built to withstand the trump administration. but chase who wrote a book thieves of state about the threat to global security believes as a nation, we are on a slippery slope. the united states is showing really concerning signs that i recognize from some of the most systemically corrupt countries in the world. so when the united states starts doing things, it is like a green light. it sets the example for other countries. what does that do to america s standing in the world? i think it significantly dents american standing. what is distressing to me is people laughing at us. similarly, in other countries, where governments really are bent on maximizing private gain, they seem similarities between how they want to run their country and how president trump is running the united states. in a district court in new york, the president s lawyers argued for the case to be thrown out. claiming the interpretation of the clause was flawed. the group s chances of winning appear slim to none but he says whatever the outcome, speaking out is what counts here. we are americans. should we be responding any less, expecting any less than guatemala mallans are demanding of theirs? we don t get a democracy because god handed it down from the sky. we get a democracy because we demand on it and we defend it and we insist on it. and i m really struck at how passive, frankly, the american people seem to be at the moment. when our very system of government is in danger. when you hear sober thoughtful people start talking about our system of government being in danger, it is time to start paying attention. you re watching on assignment in panama city. to our story already. ranging from a democratic congressman calling for an urgent investigation into this story by congress, the justice department and robert mueller to on the other hand a viewer who wrote in to tell me, go, trump. my 401(k) is doing great. media is still mad at losing the election. this isn t about politics. this is about what you think of the responsibilities that apply to an american company that comes to a place like this to do business. should it uphold standards that we expect back in the states? or should it play by whatever rules the global market or the local market play by? we already know which side of the argument president trump is on. he told us himself. in 2012, donald trump called in to squawk box cnbc to express a very clear opinion about the law that forbids american companies from bribing foreign officials. now, every other country goes into these places and they do what they have to do.