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knowledgeable, very personable. how are you hearing voters describe her, or perhaps all the candidates? are they looking for the -- you know, something about the candidate of their choice? is it a relatability? is it the poise? is it, you know, global knowledge? what are the things that -- what's the criteria, i guess, in which voters are judging these candidates? >> yeah, i mean, i think a lot of those things you just mentioned are important. what it comes down to for most republican voters is their estimation of who can beat joe biden in november. i think that's what drives a lot of the, especially the trump voters, but it is also driving voters for other candidates who don't think trump can win. ultimately, you know, regardless of where candidates stand on the issues, if a candidate doesn't, you know, check all of the boxes for you, a lot of the republicans are just looking at,

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argument that first, you have to be impeached by the house, and then convicted by the senate. and only then can you be prosecuted. and, i want people to understand, there is no magic to these formulations. we are in new ground here, legally. it's not like there's some coated in the constitution. what the judges, and maybe some of the justices are going to be asking is, is this workable? does this lead to an outrageous outcome? and if it does, i think you are out of luck. and i just don't think trump's lawyers are going to win, based off of that argument. >> because under this absolute immunity theory that the trump team is pushing, if a president committed crimes while in office and wasn't impeached, there would be no mechanism for accountability. >> exactly. you can think of the worst scenario possible, ex assassination, selling military secrets. and their position is unless he is impeached or convicted by the senate, he is scot-free. by the way, the better answer to the question about the assassination would have been, of course he can be prosecuted. >> so a president, i mean could the impact the president kill his valet? and if it wasn't done in the white house lawn, and there was some question about who did it? >> exactly. by the argument that donald trump's team made today, he would be scot-free. but the better argument would be, of course he could be

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maybe i'm wrong? maybe biden actually won the election? maybe i am the conspiracy theorist? >> no. not at all. >> she is due to spend the next few years behind bars, but she believes one man could change that. >> so, this hat says, rachel, we love you, trump. three of my sons, they met trump, and you can actually see them, one of the -- trump was a very encouraging to them. he has made it clear he is going to pardon us. >> there is a lot riding on this election. >> totally. >> for the country, but also personally for you? >> oh yeah, for me it's huge. for me it's like life or death. and, it's huge. >> if trump wins, you could get out of prison. >> correct, i will get out of prison. >> it's amazing to me although

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hampshire. remember and back in 2016, this was trump's first win. this was at the beginning of the path to the nomination for donald trump, new hampshire was kind to donald trump so look at these new numbers in this poll and it is quite striking when you see it. nikki haley within seven points, 39% for the former president, 32% for the former south carolina governor. chris christie, a distant third, ramaswamy running fourth, ron desantis and low single digits. and, fifth asa hutchison is brilliant just and asterisk in this poll. but think about that, she is within seven points in this poll, so iowa will send -- her on to new hampshire. one quick point, anderson. and we said this all the time. but in new hampshire set specially, the composition of the electorate two weeks from tonight, excuse me for turning my back, we will be absolutely critical. in new hampshire, democrats, independents, they're undeclared voters that could show up on election day, essentially declare yourself a republican for the day and vote in republican primary. if it's a conservative electorate, trump will win. among conservatives, he is up over haley by 40 points. among registered republicans,

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>> i want to bring in a longtime democratic strategist --. james, at this point, you think anyone has a real shot at the feet of the former president in the primaries? >> not much. and i mean, he is exactly right about new hampshire. remember, independents -- very hard -- and the other thing is, iowa i think is eight days before new hampshire. that's got to have some effect on the new hampshire numbers. how much, i don't know. and he is right, never say no. but when it comes to ron desantis, i'm just going to say no. >> and james, is desantis at play still, in your mind? i mean the latest cnn polling has him behind christie and vivek ramaswamy in new hampshire. >> yeah, but of course i am the guy who said i didn't think trump was going to be the republican nominee, so be careful with my predicting skills. i'm somewhat rusty these days. [laughter] but, remember, john will tell you this. when they go to south carolina, independents can't vote. and that's nikki haley's state, it's pretty clear that trump will beat her, and then she'll have to make a case beyond that, which is going to be i think pretty difficult. >> john, ambassador haley has

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impeach, he could be tried when he is out of office. that's been the, that's been the line. you don't have to impeachment, obviously the trump people argued that as well, we don't need to impeach him, there's a backstop here, it's the court system. and you're on the record, you're on the record. >> caitlin, what are you hearing from trump's team about? >> i don't think today went the way they expected it to go. i mean, i thought that they would go into this thinking that a lot of the arguments would be what trump has been arguing, and what they articulated in their written brief, which was that the actions that he took after the election between then and january six were duties as president, that he was doing this to make sure that the laws of the land, the election laws were faithfully carried. that is their argument, obviously people disagree with that. but that is the argument they had been making, that it wasn't electioneering, that he, as he now said when she was not saying at the time, he knew the election was, over and that's what he was doing in his official duties. it went into a completely different way, they essentially ran into a brick wall with these arguments. not only would -- bruce right there that the judge was referencing, judge pan providing a really

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difficult time for trump's attorneys. and i also think i don't think it went the way the trump thought it was going to go, from the optics perspective either, because instead of being this big showcase moment of him going into court and being able to use, which was a purely political decision, i was told. you didn't see him going into court, and instead you saw his attorney kind of getting brow beat by the judges, with these deeply skeptical questions of their arguments. and in trump's brief comments at the hotel afterwards, where he just continued to repeat his election lies, which have been debunked. >> elie, i mean how quickly would an appeals court rule, what are the next steps? >> i think we're going to see within two weeks, they expected this, right. and now after they rule, i think we have to watch for two things to happen. first of all, trump, assuming he loses i think it is quite clear he will, he's got to take this up to the supreme court eventually. but he has a long time to do that. you have 90 days to even ask the supreme court to take the case. and so to head that off, there was a bit at the end today were jack smith's team asked the court of appeals to issue the mandate. and what that means, transmitted to plain english's, send this back on to the district court, the trial court, and let them get back on track.

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president has, with private individuals, and using the levers of power, sought to fundamentally subvert the democratic republic and the electoral system. >> and argued that impeachment and conviction through a political process should not be required, before a criminal prosecution. >> i think it would be awfully scary if there weren't some sort of mechanism by which to reach that, criminally. >> paula, so what happens next? >> well anderson, it appears unlikely that trump is going to prevail here. but even if he loses, he can still ask the entire circuit to hear his case. now, that would require a majority of the judges in the circuit to agree to hear the case. it's unclear if they will do that. but remember, the strategy is as much about delay as it is about the constitutional questions. and if that doesn't work, he can still appeal to the supreme court. but it's unclear if they are going to want to weigh in here. remember, they are already weighing this other question related to trump about ballot eligibility.

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for them fool of myself, and predict that trump will underperform expectations in iowa. i think the opposition to -- i don't know i know very little about republican primary caucus voters in iowa. but they seem to me to be pretty well organized, and pretty committed. and look it's gonna be -- zero degrees and i'm just go out there and say i think, i don't not saying he's going to lose, but he might not win by as much as it is expected. >> james carville, john king as well, thanks very much. again, the last debate ahead of the ohio caucuses tomorrow here on cnn. a showdown between two candidates, nikki haley and ron desantis. cnn's jake tapper, dana bash going to moderate tomorrow night's event, which kicks off at nine pm eastern. still ahead, take a look at this chunk of a boeing plane landed in our next guest's backyard. it is the piece that blew out of the alaska airlines plane midflight, that forced entire line of boeing planes grounded.

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because remember, they've been on pause ever since this appeal started. so jack smith's team wants to let the district court resume its pre trial preparations. >> and the appeals court can do that? >> yes, they can do that. and we may actually be in the situation where you have two things happening in parallel. you have litigation going into the supreme court and the district court carrying on. but trump's team is going to ask the supreme court to stop the trial. >> jessica, is this something the supreme court would weigh? i mean it, does seem like an important question to answer. >> it's an incredibly important question, and i think that is the strongest reason for the courts take the case. i mean, this is an important legal question, it's never been decided before. on the other hand, i'm sure they wouldn't relish having to get into the middle of this, if they think that the d. c. circuit doesn't cry out for being overturned, maybe they just leave it. but i think a lot of it is going to depend on how this opinion is written, how broad it is in its scope. if it's really broad, and they could make a categorical statement --

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