let him finish excuse me a minute. the president, of course, was known to be upset about the recusal in the first place. but look, this is on the front side of all the litany of things you heard about. at the same time, as i said, it went way beyond from the attorney general s perspective, way beyond wrong the recusal called for under the regulation that s just wrong. that is wrong. that is not the reading of the regulation. read it. and the ethics rules for lawyers, rule 1.7 for lawyers, conflicts of interest. he cannot investigate a campaign in which he was a material part of that campaign. he cannot do it under the ethics rules for lawyers or under the ethics regulations. open and shut. he could not participate there are three types of investigations that investigation the department of justice. there are three types of ken, what are you saying? there are three types of investigations at the department of justice. criminal and civil are what people think of most, of course. the first thrust and the primary thrust of the russia investigation was the third one at the department of justice, that s counterintelligence. this is a russian meddling of one form or another, at least an attempt, in american affairs. that is a counterintelligence investigation first and foremost. the regulation that governs recusal does not touch that, does not touch that. it s criminal. that s where this whole thing began. that s where this whole thing began, and the attorney general recused himself way beyond merely criminal investigation. he he took all of the items off the table at the department of justice, including those non-addressed by the regulation. there are very as he was required to do in the role of counsel to the president to call up the attorney general and question what he was doing and why and why the scope ken, this is the president who believes that the job of the attorney general is to protect him, it seems like. i mean, is that the job of the attorney general? that s your position, anderson. you ve long held that position, anderson. i would think that most white house counsel certainly think it s their job to protect the president. the attorney general s job is wait. the white house counsel s job to protect the president or the presidency? the office of the president? my understand is don mcgann an excellent distinction. excellent distinction. the presidency, the office of the president serves the president in his official capacity, period, and that s it. that is it. the attorney general has an unusual role as a cabinet member in that unlike the other cabinet members, the term has independent decisionmaking authority. that s part of what we ve talked about here. the attorney general also has, like all the other cabinet secretaries, policy implementation and some political, meaning dealing with capitol hill in particular, responsibilities that genuinely are not independent. they do fall under the direct authority appropriately of the president. just like all the other cabinet secretaries. the piece we re talking about with attorney general sessions is that independent legal authority under the attorney general s office that doesn t exist under any cabinet secretary. that s it. professor, it was appropriate for the president of the united states to not only tell don mcgann to try to get jeff sessions to not recuse himself but also other senior members of the white house? absolutely not. there s not a single authority that s reputable that i heard say jeff sessions was not required to recuse himself from the investigation of russian interference in the election when he worked for the campaign. he was required to under the lawyers ethics rules and the government ethics rules. an open and shut case. and for the white house counsel or anyone else in the white house to pressure the attorney general to violate the law and to violate his ethical obligations as a lawyer, is just flat-out wrong. now whether it was criminal obstruction of justice or not is for robert mueller to determine. and i m not going to opine on that. it is obstruction of justice. and it is just flat-out wrong for anyone to argue that the attorney general could somehow supervise an investigation of a political campaign in which he had a very important role when that campaign was accused of collaborating with the russians. find out whether or not they collaborated with the russians and whether or not it was criminal. the attorney general had no business being involved in that investigation, and he did the right thing by recusing. we re going to anderson? go ahead, ken. let s keep in mind that this obviously trump won the race. but there are also the russian involvement was, we ve traced now, to ferguson, to the jill stein campaign. this is not just about the trump campaign. so when you look at the other aspects of what the department of justice is responsible for, at least those other areas, the professor s objections fall away. i appreciate what he has to say in the criminal context, and explicitly that which is what the regulation related to special counsel addresses. but not in the other areas of responsibility of the department of justice. investigating jill stein? this is ridiculous laughable. this whole thing is laughable no, are you twisting my words, professor. you re very good at that. come on! no, i m not this is an investigation of russia. this has nothing to do with it it is an investigation of russia. i m worried about russia. you worry about jill stein. and who collaborated with the the activities span across more than just the trump campaign and attempts to influence the american electorate through the trump campaign. there s also through stein and ferguson who collaborated with them. they re being investigated, and attorney general sessions did the right thing by recusing. both points have been made. always good to have you on. thank you. ahead, what we re learning about the investigation president trump has been calling for again and again of the clinton foundation. the question, is it justified or is it, as some say, diversion from questions about russia? more ahead. it s time for sleep number s lowest prices of the season on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. and snoring? does your bed do that? it s the lowest prices of the season on the queen c4 mattress with adjustable comfort on both sides. now only $1199, save $400. ends soon. visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you. oh, this is bad. as long as people misplace their keys, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. trying to put pressure on jim comey, former fbi director. he used all sorts of people he tried to have twist comey s arm to do what he wanted in terms of allegedly turning down the heat on michael flynn, former national security adviser. he had, for example, dan coates allegedly was asked to do something with comey, as well. we ve seen repeated instances in which donald trump has used multiple people to try and get what he wants. that s fundamentally what the question is here. yes, there s this broader question, broader criminal question of obstruction of justice. what we re seeing is a president who is used to getting his way, came from the private sector where he s a ceo and sort of, you know, active by edict, who comes into the presidency and tries to do the same sort of thing. i think that fundamentally is what these additional sources reveal. yes, once again, this isn t just him saying, hey, mcgann, go and talk to session, try and keep him from recusing. it is donald trump using every tool in his arsenal to try and make something happen which is probably inappropriate. according to the wolff book, wants his attorney general to act like his lawyer like cohn did in the private sector. donald trump more than anything else in his presidency has wanted this investigation to go away, and he has shown a willingness to do anything to make it go away. that is consistent with his years as roy cohn as his lawyer. what cohn did in the years as his mentor and the president s lawyer enabled donald trump to conduct a business that was constantly evading the law. that s really the hallmark and the consistency of the trump operation. evasion of legal and normal protocols. the number of lawsuits filed against donald trump, the amount of litigation initiated by trump and roy cohn to shut people up. this was not your normal business operation. we ve seen this transferred to the white house. now as phillip has suggested, donald trump thinks he can operate with the same kind of impunity and evade the law once again. what is frustrating him and it s clear from michael wolff s book, as well, and from what steve bannon has told us through so many of these passages is his outrage that he is subject to the law and to protocols that are inherent in the presidency and common decency in government. and he will not go along with him. and back to this question about sessions recusal, sessions was head of the national security portfolio for the trump campaign, and as we now know and and certainly sessions knew, he had these meetings with russians. so if you did not recuse yourself, you might really have some serious consequences. of course he recused himself. and this was a time when it was the wild west in the west wing. you didn t there was really no control. reince priebus was pretty neutered from the beginning as chief of staff. you had steve bannon running around doing whatever he wanted. jared kushner doing what he wanted. it was a free for all. to your point, donald trump was not used to the restraints that are built into the presidency and the way things operate. it surprises me not at all that he would ask for his roy cohn because of how instrumental roy cohn was in donald trump s life. the influence that he had. trump is quoted saying more than once that roy cohn would brutalize people. and that he was vicious to people on my behalf. and that roy cohn demanded ironclad loyalty which is partially where trump gets this idea of loyalty, almost mafia-like in a way. that s not how the presidency works in this country. this is consistent with what s report of how donald trump has run his entire operation, run his entire life. so why would it surprise anyone that he would change to anyone different? it should scare people that he would want a roy cohn in the white house with him considering the illegal stuff i have to say it would disappoint me if he did not try to keep his attorney general in the game on a very important matter. and as he said, robert kennedy wanted to protect him he cited robert kennedy. he cited eric holder. eric holder, the only cabinet in history who got accused actually was guilty of contempt of congress which who we as republicans were critical of by definition is obstruction, by the way, for we were critical of that. now we re against jeff sessions doing the right thing? if i m the president, i want to have my a.g. fully in the game, operating on anything. and it s not see, one of the things i think you guys maybe not maybe there s a conflict of interest. right. this is inconsistent. okay. but if i m donald trump, i m saying he criticized holder for what he did, but now we re all of a sudden going after jeff sessions for doing the right thing and recusing himself? where you re making the assumption is that donald trump heard from all the attorneys who said, no, he s got to recuse himself or it s obstruction. that did not take place. he was going to him and saying, don t get out of it. and you just heard two very distinguished lawyers who had a completely different read of this. i m not a lawyer. but i work for a law firm. and i can tell you if you get two in the elevator, you ll have two opinions. and that s what happens. some people believe that he had to recuse himself. remember it was because he wanted to protect him at all costs. not for the investigation the article said to hold out as long as you could. in terms of sessions meeting with russians, i was on the military committee, foreign affairs committee. we met with foreign policy all the time, foreign heads of state, quite often and ambassadors. claire mccaskill said i never met with one, and find out two, three months earlier she had tweet go tweeted about meetin with the russian ambassador. i didn t say there was anything wrong with meeting with russians. he mentioned the hearing all i said is it s relevant to the investigation. let s find out where it goes. paris, where are you? i think the first problem is we re citing things in this book as fact. we re assuming that bipartisan across the board, democrats, journalists, have said there are questions about the voracity of the book. to assume that everything that s said about what the president said as it relates to the attorney general is assumed. we re questioning the fact that loyalty is the problem. when has loyalty been a problem? when you look at any administration i happen to be one who worked in one for four years veto corleone want loyalty we can talk about dictatorships, the mavia, or the white house which i worked in for four years 435 members of congress want loyalty and 100 members of the senate. there s nothing wrong with it s not to donald trump, it s to the american people. correct. and i ll point out that the roy cohn quote doesn t come from the book. it comes from new york times reporting. that s correct. and i would say the new york times has not been overly friendly how about they ve been more accurate than the white house on most things that have come out. exactly. maria? the problem is that the truth hasn t been overly friendly to this administration because they don t believe in the truth. and that s exactly the image that s coming out. it is whether you want to question every single thing that the author has said, michael wolff himself has said he has tapes. he has notes. he has proof. he stands behind it. we ll see where that goes. but to your point, this comes out also out of reporting from the new york times and the washington post. and so many journalists have been covering this administration for the last year. they all say that this book paints a very accurate image of what they have reported and what they have heard. given like given what you know about roy cohn, a guy who ended up being disbarred for stealing funds from clients, a guy who worked for mccarthy, who was a thug in the legal profession and i knew him as a kid, knew an attorney who worked for him. would it concern you if donald trump wanted jeff sessions to be like roy cohn for him? i think you have to look at how the president looked at roy cohn. if he looked at somebody who was loyal to him and would do everything he could to he brutalized people. he was as long as a mass murders e- mass murderer is nice, you don t want them by your side. my mom, if i spit on the ground, my mother would say that s artwork. i could say, i want somebody like my mom to appreciate and love me like that because i may be wrong, but my mother will look at me and say my son is right. i think what the president is doing is saying i want people around me who understand me, who appreciate me, and will do their best to be loyal to plea. with all due respect, it sounds like you want enablers. your mom was an enabler. that s not what the attorney general role is real quick coming up, we ll hear from a senator on the judiciary committee about obstruction next. you won t believe how much is new at red lobster. .that is, until you taste our new menu. discover more ways to enjoy seafood with new tasting plates small plates, with big flavor- like yucatan shrimp covered in chili-lime butter and caramelized pineapple. and if you like hot, buttery maine lobster, get your hands on this petite red lobster roll. for new entrees, explore globally-inspired dishes like dragon shrimp with a spicy soy-ginger sauce. with so many new dishes and all the classics you crave, what are you waiting for? 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this is what is inconsistent. this is what makes is baffling to so many people when you look at this. when you re completely innocent, this is not how you behave. why was trump so incensed about sessions recusing himself rightfully from the situation if there was nothing going on? why did he need someone to protect him? protect him from what? this is what it screams thinking that everyone s made this up and donald trump is paranoid i disagree. i know the president. i don t know him well, but i ve talked to him particularly about this. he is outraged because he blustery believes he was innocent. i was involved in the campaign. i don t think people like kellyanne conway would be stupid enough i ve known her for years. these are ethical people. if you re innocent, you act like not necessarily in washington, d.c. if you re not no, no, if you are think about ted stephens being ruined by the fbi one at a time. maria? if you are innocent, you would invite people in to say i have nothing to hide, look at everything. you would want to be clear they ruined him the fbi raided congressman kurt weldon s office, ruined his reputation. later gave him a clean bill of health. you know, the old expression in washington, when do i get my reputation back? i got to tell you donald trump has gone overboard to dtry to keep thing from coming out, to say that he needs protection. and look at mccabe and wiseman and corals and jewulie e and peter strut none of that has changed the mueller investigation. but you know, what i think they fired some of those people. paris, go ahead. your former boss came out cnn in a strong way talking to ana cabrera embarrassing interview in my opinion. i was upset with how he handled himself on air today, i will say. that not how he behaved when i worked for him. he is a good press person. yeah. at the end of the day, the points he made were valid. the points he made talked about the scope that happens when you have a special prosecutor and why he s upset and many republican congressmen are upset that the term recused himself the attorney general recused himself. now what you have mueller doing is opening up did he do this? let s narrow the scope to what it s supposed to be about. it s was there meddling part of it because trump fired james comey. that s why if there was, let s look at the clintons. ask mueller why do you have people that you have employed who were in fact doernnors to t clinton campaign, who were, in fact, treated they were that was the standard. let s get back to it yes. carl, go ahead. go ahead. let s get back to you don t like where this is going, it s an open net carl, go ahead. quickly, the scope of mueller s investigation included obstruction of justice because of the way james comey was fired. no yes, it was. carl, carl? we haven t heard from carl. let s try to get back on the ground here. let me say a couple of words i do want to make a point. i know you do. we have a legitimate investigation that needs to run its course. if there is anything uncord about what untoward about what ray has done, what james comey has done, there s time after the investigation to find out what the violations were. this is the best shot that we have at justice and democracy working in a terrible, terrible moment in which our intelligence agencies have told us that we were violated by a foreign power in our most democratic process, our election. and they are acting to have an honest investigation, and the trump white house and the trump partisans and i m going to say including what sounds to be yourselves are trying to demean, undermine, discredit every attempt to have a decent investigation. incidentally let me let me steal a couple of minutes and own my partisanship i will. i will. let me finish are you right about ted stephens. the case was an abomination. the fbi investigation in the mccarthy era was jack is going to respond. we have an attempt to find out what happened and why in the world you two republicans would not say what howard baker said in watergate, what did the president know and when did he know it jack s going to i lost control. jack s going to respond. we ll take a break. also coming up, the author of fire and fury spoke out. more ahead. don t wait until february. walk into a jackson hewitt and you could get up to $3200. so why wait for your refund? you could get up to $3200 with a no-fee refund advance. go to jackson hewitt today. and what happened later with possible obstruction of justice. jack kingston wanted to respond. the floor is yours, jack. i got my time. i m feeling good about this. let me just say from a republican standpoint, i believe there are very, very valid concerns about the team that mueller has put together. if peter stark was on a democrat team, i think he would have the same concern. we can say this is a squeaky-clean guy, but i don t believe that. i think andrew weisplan is suspect. andrew mccabe wife who received hundreds of thousands of dollars because of clinton donations and efforts those are all concerns. if we are only concerned about the truth, let s make sure we have the best team investigating. i want to make this point the reason why congress on a bipartisan basis let the special prosecutor law lapse is because it does become a runaway train. who would have thought that ken starr investigating real estate deals in arkansas would find his way to a 24-year-old intern with a blue dress and then it was all about perjury? i talked to henry hyde about it at the time and said, you know, this is disappointing that after millions of dollars this is where we end up. and so did you vote for i did vote for impeachment because it was about perjury. okay. it was a question of perjury. why did you bring up the same concerns then i did. i did do it. that s what i m saying. all right. we haven t heard from phillip for a while. phillip? let me yield the floor. i appreciate that, sir. i want to make two points. the first is that the playbook that we have seen essentially since donald trump started running for president is to find little nit-picky things to use to undermine your opponents. i agree with carl that that s what this appears to be. there s no indication at this point that mueller s investigation has been affected by any sort of partisanship. peter was fired two months in because of the text messages that emerged. there s no evidence for that. i understand why trump allies want to seize upon that. i want to go back to something paris said. why would donald trump object so strenuously lly if he is isn t. he is extremely insecure about what happened in november, 2016. he believes that he is the target of people who think he s not a legitimate president. he knows he lost the popular vote, so he makes up total nonsense about voter fraud. he s trying to do everything to assert i won, it was through my own excellence as i candidate that i was elected. he sees the russia investigations, legitimately, as an attempt to say, no russia helped do. it i think he s focused on it because he doesn t want people to say, hey, russia s what sorry, what did you say, the president s innocent? i believe that we investigate. we look you said you believe very well that he may be innocent. i think the article that but today about the economy that was very good under the administration was also very, very good. i would say this if this investigation is going to be fairfax and as a republican we want fair, and as a republican we want it to be fair, but this investigation is is not focused on getting at the truth about russia meddling before the election of donald trump. if we re honest, wean e that this proceeds the trump election. the obama administration knew about russia trying to influence the election they opened an investigation. if this investigation is truthful, let s go back and look at everything. not just simply focus on president trump. and that is why republicans get incensed about it. you can see literally he knew, though, you want it to be broad when it s involving hillary clinton and narrow when it s involving jared kushner. no i ll be clear. to be narrowly focused on russia meddling in the election. except for trump has shown zero interest in finding out the truth even about that because he has yet to admit it happened. there are two things that there are two things that i want there are two things that i wanted to make, two points. jeff sessions, i went to look at the statement he made when he recused himself. he s talks about how he had conversations several conversations with department of justice counsel. and i m glad he had the conversations and that he didn t listen to the white house counsel and other two people that trump sent because he i m not a jeff sessions fan. he did the right thing in recusing himself. he talks about how during his nomination hearings because of the fact that it came out that he met with the russians, that he told the congress that he would recuse himself. if anything came up where his impartiality was questioned of course his impartiality would be questioned on anything to do with russia. the second point is on trump s red line and everybody talking about how mueller could be a runaway investigator if he goes into his finances which he is his finances are absolutely relevant here. the issue is that he has we have never seen his taxes, and he could absolutely be incredibly beholden financially to the russians. we ll have more with the panel ahead and get their take on word that the feds are investigating the clinton foundation over whether donors were promised favors or access to hillary clinton while she was secretary of state. jack kingston doesn t want to talk about this, but we ll talk about it. 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(vo) call 844-4-brightstar for your free home care planning guide. investigating the clinton foundation, looking into whether members were promised favors or access to hillary clinton when she was secretary of state. this has been brewing for years. it s unclear what if any new evidence led to the current investigation. the official says it s being led by an fbi field office in arkansas. back with the panel, maria, as a democrat and former adviser to secretary clinton, what do you see? i agree with what nick merrell said today, it s a total sham. i think this is something we could have predicted. we saw this coming miles away. frankly, probably in jeff sessions attempt to prove his loyalty, there is something that he did to prove his loyalty. a total sham? really? yes, absolutely. paris? how do you see it? this has been investigated before, and they re going to come up with nothing. i wish i could take everything you said about the president and that investigation in russia and flip it and talk about secretary clinton because it would be the same thing. you just you can t use your same talking points on trump on secretary clinton. you won t because you re stuck in your partisan no, i m using talking points that are the truth when it comes to president trump. and when it comes to you use talking points that are false. i think at the end of the day not according to reporters. other reporters? maggie haberman said this thing was very treads on dishonesty. a lot of democrat reporters, a lot of democrat a lot of other reporters have said that the total image that fire and fury states or presents is very accurate. carl? the total image? that s hogwash. okay. carl, go ahead. carl? okay. i think we need to know a lot more about the circumstances under which this investigation was opened. it s possible that as you say it was nefariously opened. it s also possible and we need to find out that perhaps somebody came in with some kind of evidence that s worth investigating. we need find out. let s not prejudge. we ought to be in the business of getting the facts, and we have very few facts. but certainly there is something about donald trump at this moment calling for hillary clinton, crooked hillary, to be locked up, and his justice department initiating this apparent investigation. no. that has nothing to do with it. we don t know. no, i m i want to say that s exactly right. i totally agree with you. the issue at the moment, we need to know more about the investigation. but it is impossible to remove the stink of donald trump having consistently called for this to happen with a total lack of any additional evidence, right. donald trump watched fox and friends and decided that hillary clinton should go to jail. this happened over the course of a year and a half. well, that s we don t know why this happened. we don t know why this investigation began again. and with donald trump saying these things, he s edge from e prejudiced or okay. hold on, jack, you re going to thank me for this. so there is a there-there with the clinton foundation. this is something that s plagued them for several years. even the new york times back in 2015 did a rather extensive story about uranium one and the donations to the clinton foundation. and some questionable activities there. all the way back to with bill clinton getting a $500,000 speech from a russian bank that was investing in the uranium one deal and people with the russians wanting to get this uranium. there was a lot going on there. and there was over $130 million worth of donations from people involved from frank yustra, $31 million from him, the guy who was head of ura uranium one, friends with the clintons that s been debunked. no. it started in 2005 through 2007 when they thought that hillary clinton was going to run for president in 2008 which she did. and it carried on from there. he left in 2007, that s correct. but the clinton foundation wait nefarious activities going long before just now. what made it relevant now is the fact that the uranium one deal was approved in 2010 under the obama administration which was questionable at the time because the fbi had uncovered a russian bribery scheme within the nuclear energy sector that they did not tell the members of the group that has to approve the foreign investments. so people didn t really know. they wonder why didn t anybody say anything. because there was the russian reset going on. so there was a lot of things where the where the clintons were involved in this. that didn t have to do with the approval. she was on the board she was not a part of it. jack, okay, we haven t heard from you. there were people on this panel who said if you re innocent, why worry about it? are we trying to shut it down? they just said it s a sham. the department of justice backed off this investigation in 016 and i thought they made a good decision. at that time they said to the fbi you can continue this particularly if something new comes up. it is a continuation of an investigation, which actually started under obama. now, we don t know what the new evidence is or what triggered that so i do agree with you that we need to find out what made it happen. there probably are other things. there s that algerian donation that was never reported, even though it was not supposed to be allowed. and they fessed up to that. you re awfully defensive for something very, very defensive. i was on the foreign affairs committee. if it was such a great foundation, why is it not able to function? why did they have to refile their 990 because they forgot about all the foreign donations. i think they did fantastic work on hiv aids. yes. but getting to hang out with bill clinton and schmooze and there was a big event in new york. people want to give in because they want to be around. nothing has ever been proven between the donations and up next, new insight on the russian woman who did all the talking at the trump tower meeting, that donald trump jr., jared kushner, it s part of a new cnn special report airing at the top of the hour. we ll have a preview when we talk to pam brown when we continue. it s time for sleep number s lowest prices of the season on the only bed that adjusts on both sides to your ideal comfort, your sleep number setting. and snoring? does your bed do that? it s the lowest prices of the season on the queen c4 mattress with adjustable comfort on both sides. now only $1199, save $400. ends soon. visit sleepnumber.com for a store near you. connection to the russian government. have you ever worked for the russian government? do you have connections to the russian government? but she does have connections to the chief prosecutor in russia. she also denied bringing up any dirt on hillary clinton. translator: i want to make sure that everybody understands there was any any damaging talk about mrs. clinton. now she says she may have had dirt about alleged donations to the clinton campaign. natalia says she provided certain documents to the russian attorney general. and pam joins us with more. when we put all the threats together over this past year, it s easy to lose track of it. it covers the trump tower mee meeting, the dossier. we followed the money and we also looked at all the president s men, all the people who in a sense have been caught up in this web in the russia probe and we also examine the firing of james comey because it s really fascinating. it just happened so abruptly, came out of nowhere and so many questions have been raised about the president s motivations and that firing and robert mueller looks at it in the justice probe. so we just spoke with what we actually know and brings it all together so you can tie all the pieces together, anderson. you ve been covering the story for a year now. did you learn anything new working on the report? i actually did. i ve been covering it along with my colleagues, we have a team here that s been covering the russian probe. for example, in the follow the money act, we focus more on the business that donald trump did with russians, not in russia, which is key here because he repeatedly said he s never done business in russia but that s really missing the point. we focus on the real estate deals that he s done in the united states. and it s really interesting to go back and trace that over the last several decades. we also learn we interviewed james clapper, the former chief spy and he told us that president trump confronted intelligence officials during that january 6th briefing about how the result of their intelligence report impacted the legitimacy of his presidency. it s no secret donald trump used the russian meddling investigation as a threat to his
times that the kind of people involved in that not a hardened old corkoecorey lewendowski wasn hardened. but he wasn t digital either. by the way, i m going to talk about how to identify trolls. we talk so much about them. i feel like they re the ones that they re the ones who have the ready made pictures with the graphics and their you re on to something. i m on to you. all right, i ll see you in a little bit, thank you, katie. we re watching two major stories today involving the white house, cyb cyberattacks and the threats back in the spotlight. and the intelligence official that testified that trump has yet to make any official order to testify on social cyber attacks. this marks nearly two weeks since the never again movement started. students from majory stoneman douglas high school are on capitol hill today meeting with federal lawmakers and demanding action nationwide. sarah huckabee sanders was forced to address some of these issues. the president still supports raising the age limit to 21 for purchasing some firearms. we expect it to be a topic of discussion. we know not everyone necessarily agrees. we re not going to get into the details, but we expect that to be part of the conversation tomorrow. something going on tomorrow and the white house says by the end of the wheek they may be giving us so proposalproposals. there was an idea of raising the idea for purchasing long rifles. it didn t seem like the president was fully supportive of it yesterday. as you said yesterday, sarah huckabee sanders says he is for raising the age limit. in general it seems like the white house has a glib rative process, a slow walking process, but they want to keep all of their options up as they come to a consensus. i was trying to get a handle on what sarah huckabee sanders was saying, it seems like they will have proposals by the end of the week as opposed to something that feels like law. yes, that is right, they want to give the updates, but they will have a fast proposal delineating what their goals are and what shape they want this to be. it could be a proposal or discussions and more meetings here as they try to let congress take the lead here and in some ways some of the political blame. it is also a president that tried to be outfront on this gun issue and he has been reluctant to get pinned down. hanz, thank you very much. there is a sbnowballing of pressure on companies to cut ties with the gun industry. they once offered perks and discounts are severing ties responding to the nationwide call for action. i want to bring you up to speed of where we are. the first national bank of omaha was the first to move. they were listening to customer feed back and they said they will not renew their exact with with and you re judged by the company you keep. we didn t know about these things, but they re also the audiences and customers are talking to each others. and that is a message you can t control. i think they are still operating like old school brands. so their associations with brands that don t necessarily reflect their true character. there is a i want to pull out something from the wall street journal that says firms reassess involvement in gun industry in wake of florida shooting. they said boycotts and public safety issues say among companies there is a feeling of a sea change that needs to take place. it is seen by people talking to each other. they say let the victims give them space and time. not this time. they have been coming out e and being incredibly articulate advocates. their message with no money, but with heart felt elegance, is going toe to toe. the new york times just said the nra spends yearly. they are masterful. that leads me to another question. that is that there are a lot of messages on the other side. they are remarkably consistent. they say we will come take your guns if you let them. sure, and even after president trump was elected, they have become more aggressive. but the other side is not like that, right? when you talk to kids from other about measures that truly respond to the epidemic of gun violence. if they are only going to debate that bill, that s not something that i can support. let s see where the debate ends up. i don t presuppose there is the vote for other measures, but let s see if we can get votes for broader background checks and protective orders. so they said they may be able to work out a deal with where both sides can offer amendments to see if they can get 60 votes to pass additional legislation. right now, the leader says i want to hear that from mitch mcconnell. so there is a lot of political calculus right now going on from the perspective of him putting his foot down saying i m not doing this, it s not enough, or do they put their put it down and potentially risk it not passing. we ll see how it plays out here. brand new details on the school shooting in florida. when nikolas krucruz was taken o custody, he had five fully loaded magazines. he is facing 17 charges of premeditated murders. joining me now is isabella. i first met her the day after the shooting. how are you doing? i m okay. i think it is still singing in that all of this is happening in my community and we re all still going through this together, but i m getting better. . you and i were talking about that energy, how long will it sustain. it is kind of incredible. i feel like most of our messages are being heard but nothing is being done about it. those kids went to talk to the president and he sat there and just listened but i don t think he will do anything about it but i m not really sure yet. we re still going at it. . do you think i would not have known when we first met, that it would sustain the way it did, do you think it will when everyone is back in school in do you think the energy is there to keep it going? i really feel like we re not giving up, everyone at school is really against all of this and they really want to make a change. we were listening to the president s comments together. they said you have to talk about gun control. you and your classmates feel that should not be something that people shy away from. that is defendinitely someth that should be talked about all of the time. but that is just not happening with us. let s talk about the school and the kids at stoneman dou douglas. i feel like we re all really nvous, but i have a feel of what it will be like on sunday. getting our becoackpacks back, not everyone went, i think like 80% of the school went. our principal was out there giving hugs. it was really emotional, but i feel like we re all there as a family to support each other, but it is definitely very nerve racking because the freshman building is fenced off. i know none of it has been touched yet because it has been a crime scene and it s sad to walk past it. good luck and thank you for all you have done when you go back to school tomorrow. all right, coming up next, brand new details on the testimony of a key white house staffer, hope hicks. she spent the day with the white house intelligence committee testifying in the russian investigation. the president tweets two of his favorite words witch hunt. plus the nsa boss suggests the trump administration is sending a message to vladimir putin that there is no consequences for wagering cyber warfare against the united states. the think vladimir putin thinks there is little price to pay here and i can continue this activity. as a director of nsa and the cyber command side leads me to believe that if we don t do something it will be communities and 2016 was not isolated. do what i did. ask your doctor about humira. it s proven to help relieve pain and protect joints from further irreversible damage in many adults. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira has been clinically studied for over 20 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. ready for a new chapter? 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[burke] and we covered it. talk to farmers, we know a thing or two because we ve seen a thing or two. we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum essentially we have not taken on the russians yet. we re watching them intrude on our elections, spread misinformation, and we re just essentially sitting back and waiting. i don t know if i would characterize it as we re sitting back and waiting, but i would say, and i apologize, i don t want to get into the classified here. it is probably fair to say that we have not opted to engage in some of the same behaviors that we have seen. zllt second time in the second time in a month that two top officials said the president has not asked them to combat russia. you would be forgiven for not knowing more about hope hicks. she is from connecticut, a short career as a model. she also served as the cover model for a gossip girl spinoff book. she has a bachelors in english. she ended up with ivanka trump s fashion line. he brought hicks on board as a campaign communications director. she remained there and took over as white house communication direct. just last hour sarah huckabee sanders has asked if she was asked to invoke executive privilege. she refused to comment but i m joined now by someone at home right now. what is that all about, mike? if these interviews are going like the ones before it. more specifically about what she has to say about her time in the white house. what we have been told my members so far is that she is refusing to answer questions about her time in the white house. she is answering time about her time in the campaign, but this gets into the executive privilege issues or the holding out the right to assert executive privilege, probably the more accurate way to do this. she is simply telling the committee behind closed doors there, she is following the advice of her employer, the president of the united states, not to answer these questions. he can invoke executive privilege on certain questions. they said essentially what has to happen here is that the white house, hope hicks lawyer, and the republicans and democrats in the compete have to sit down and do what they did for steve bannon recently. draw up a list of questions she is willing to answer. short of that, they re hoping they will be able to subpoena her to compel that testimony. so far that has not happened yet. just on the testimony by admiral rodgers, this is the second time in a month. they do a good job trying to answer these questions but pushing them saying have they got word from the white house from donald trump to push back on russia to counter the cyber attacks. the second time now they say they re not getting that. they don t have a direct word from the white house to fight back. that s right we heard that when a group of senior intelligence officials testified earlier. we stay as an issue in the obama administration as well. adam schiff, earlier this month, he was critical for of the obama administration for not responding to the sony hack. they launched cyber warfare on the united states. this is what obama used to call the wild west. he wanted to develop rules of the road for cyber threats. of course it is of particular interests involving president trump and why he is not taking stronger action. it just has not happened yet. mike, i appreciate you not invoking executive privilege in this conversation. coming up, prompting by the spate of school shootings in our country, he invented a device that could keep shooters out of classrooms. - this is what america s about. - sometimes it s nice to see all the good that s out there. bringing folks out, we have seen it in community after community. it s 6 am. 40 million americans are waking up to a gillette shave. and at our factory in boston, more than a thousand workers are starting their day building on over a hundred years of heritage, craftsmanship and innovation. today we re bringing you america s number one shave at lower prices every day. putting money back in the pockets of millions of americans. as one of those workers, i m proud to bring you gillette quality for less, because nobody can beat the men and women of gillette. gillette - the best a man can get. the white house and congress are struggling to come up with a plan to stop mass shootings in public schools. federal lawmakers have not passed any response. while they wait for the adults to do something, the students are stepping up. we have seen them go on pusses to the state capital. in wisconsin, one senior is selling his device to keep a shooter out of his classroom. he invented it two years ago to think of a way to improve computer at their own school. you re seeing the demonstration. justin joining me now. thank you for being with us. you call this device justin case. basically when the door is shut from the inside, you can slide it underneath the door, and the plates will slide, you extend it to the width of the door until you see they re locked into the door frame and you twist it in place. so this is a better doorjamb? yes. your website, tell me the name of the website ndominatesafety.com. on there you say is your school truly ready to protect students and half. it is a good question, a dark question, right? yes. you have grown up in completely a post columbine era where school shootings are a reality. you think about these things very differently than i would. does it trouble you that we have to ask questions like this? it really does especially being a student and being put in i can mutt myself in the situation, teachers can put themselves in the situation, but people who just work at an average job, you know they don t really think about someone coming into their office, but being a student and knowing how many shootings happen a year and never knowing where or when it will be, that is where it hit home for me and for any students because we don t fwhee it will happen or if it will happen at our school. when you think about this, we were showing a video of what you were describing, how you get it to work on a door. the fact is that this could cross a line from thinking it of being a school for a safe placed, to locked doors, prisons, and metal detectors. do you worry about these lines? a class with a locked door on the inside. the school shooting a few days ago was proof is important, but tell me how you think about that. i think it is i don t really think there is a line you can cross for safety. you can never be too safe, so when people say well you might need it, or if is probably something you should have, i think it is something all schools need to have even if it is just to take precautions. it is just another tool, you know every classroom has a fire extinguishe extinguishers. a senior in high school, thank you. the thing is, science just is not there. let s look at right to carry laws for concealed weapons. states in dark blue have more restrictive laws, orange states you don t even need a permit, light blue, the rest, are in between. according to paper put out by the national bureau, right to carry states were not low ur in violent crime. they were 13 to 15% higher. john donahue joins me now. this has to be frustrating for you. day after day we hear a version of an nra spokes person suggesting the answer to violent crime is how you view guns. there is something i saw here where you said there is not even the slightest hint in the data that right to carry laws reduce violence. that is something we looked at, we looked at all 50 states. the evidence is very solid that passing right to carry laws decreases violence over the successive decades. so i think that, you know, many of the claims that the nra makes are very misleading. and hopefully the accurate information about the scientific evidence will gain great ee eer credence in the public at large. they mean doing something bad for the second amendment and taking your guns away, but other new messages don t seem to get traction in this debate. skb the nra is very effective as atizi tizadvertising tool of th merchants. you really do need to look at the statistical data to get a good picture. i think if you re interested in dealing with mass shootings is the fbi report that examined 160 active shooting incidents one time did it work, right? yeah, one time and that was an active duty marine. so other than active duty marine or security or police officers, it is never happened in the 13 year period that the fbi looked at that a concealed carry permit holder when the president says he was want dun adegun adept teach. we have spoken to a number of teachers that have concealed carry permits, they don t particularly want to carry guns in most cases. but the concept that they would be able to fight off someone with an assault rifle, it holds no water. it is a troubling concept. i think it is important to emphasize very strongly that there is virtually no chance that just your average concealed carry permit holder could do anything positive in this setting. so one really has to be very cautious about the idea that suggesting a concealed carry permit holder with a pistol could stand up against a individual with an ar-15 or other assault weapon. the relative magnitudes of the dangerousness is so great that it is unlikely to work out. schools are very complicated areas for weaponry to be deployed by anyone other than trained police officers. there is people all over the lace, and shooting accurately in a confrontation is harder than people may think. john donahue, a statistical analyst at stanford law school. they re hitting the picket line, protesting their valsalaries am the worst in the country. we ll be live after the break. have you ever had car trouble in a place like this? 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that s right. . we look at the table and we say this is what we re going to do today. . it is health care. we dealt with that and we accepted that due to the economy and everything, it fsz owas our benefits, we re going up and up and up and we would just like a fair wage. a lot of people are saying it is about respect, is that what it is? no. i m overstating it? you just want fairness? yes, fairness, they have given us a 2%, a 2-1-1, but the interest is up 4%, 4%, 4%. but that s not enough? not when your insurance increases that much. i said the country is watching, teachers around the country want to see how it goes, do you feel that? do you feel like you re making a statement for different teachers? first and fore most i hope that people are paying attention. i think they are a little bit. we don t want anything special, we just want an average pay for an average day s work. they say why do you want a freeze on premiums, but we don t want a freeze, we want a commitment that the funding will come from a certain source. every year at the end we make up the difference. people are struggling with health care wages, it s a familiar thing, so you re not alone. good luck. the meeting here will continue. i think teachers across the country are watching this very carefully. teachers, as a class, are underpaid. how to spot an internet troll. we heard so much about the impact they re having and how social media sites are not doing enough to protect the users. we re going to break down the sign that s a post you re reading might be from a troll. oh, look. another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair works in just one week. with the fastest retinol formula to visibly reduce wrinkles. neutrogena®. with smart, revolutionary hhearing aid technology available right now, why does it take most of us 7 years when we know we have hearing loss to actually do something about it? 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you can t do anything unless you know what you re looking at. this is ben popken, you know him, investigating all of this for months, he s with nbc, my business and technology unit. recently he did an ama, ask me anything session on reddit, one of the very popular social media sites. it also has a very big troll problem. now ben is back to dig into some of the questions he got over and over again. the questions you got are exactly the runs i think our viewers want to know. what are the telltale signs of a post that might be paid to be there, might be from a troll, how do you know? sure. well, we re looking at three kind of major signs. and one of them is using emotional arguments, and also a classic technique is misdirection. i think in the one that we re showing up here, we have an instance of a potential troll who is arguing with someone about the parkland gun shooting, and they ve taken what is an argument about the nra, do nra members, are they hardline against gun control even in the face of one of these mass shootings? and they ve twisted it to be about, well, nra members, they don t, themselves, participate in mass shootings. that s not what the argument is about but the trolls want us is arguing about nonsense away from the main story. got it. okay. it s emotional. it also, you have to be one of the things i always tell people to do is be cautious of the sources that are in there. a lot of the times i think i m encountering trolls is the frequency with which they post. the number of posts relative to their followers or, frankly, the number of posts relative to the number of hours in the day. absolutely. one of the biggest signs is they re posting more frequently than a real person ever would. they re posting 24/7. real people, they sometimes sleep. they eat. they talk about eating a sandwich. these trolls and bots instead they re posting 50, 140 times per day and the monomaniacal, talk about one thing, one political issue or one spectrum. real people, they ll talk about politics but also talk about netflix binge watching. right. right. one of the things, this is the one i m least clear on. it s the use of images particularly altered images. right. this is really tricky one because it s both hard for the platforms to detect altered images and also hard for humans but i think what we can do is any time we re being shown a provocative image, stop and know that propagandists like to use provocative images so if it s an image, you should be extra careful about it. right. in our business, we take care, for instance, when somebody posts something, people often send us, say, hey, look at this, we got methodologies by which we try to determine is that a real picture? sure. regular people may not have the training to do those tools. right. one thing you can look, how are they framing it, removing context? cropping is a big way. they want to put blinders on so you re focusing on the narrative they want you to swallow. that is a red flag. they change signs and posters, they change headlines in stories. covers of magazines. i think one of the things the average person can do if they don t have tools by which to figure out whether a picture is altered, have a healthy skepticism, maybe that s not a real picture. yeah, basically think before you retweet. that would be healthier. this is the point you always make, it s one thing if you don t know it s garbage, but it becomes your problem if you post it and retweet it. be really, really cautious. ben, thanks very much for this, seen yenior writer and editor w nbcnews.com. coming up, the fed chair says the current inflation framework is okay, what s going on, don t be panicked by these markets. i ll have the details of what the fed chief said after this quick break. u walked together. you built your home again. my dna showed that i m native american, and connected me to cousins who taught me about our tribe. my name is joseph reece, and this is my ancestrydna story. now with 10 million new family connections made every day. order your kit at ancestrydna.com cohigher!ad! higher! parents aren t perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything s good again. when it comes to strong bones, are you on the right path? 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well, anderson, there s a reason 16 democrats in the senate, 104 democrats in the house voted against this proposal. some senate democrats saying nothing should have been moved forward without a clear promise house republicans would take up, without a clear promise the president wouldn t be too involved or involved enough to set things aside at one point or another. you re hearing it from the activist, the base and a lot of democrats, that this wasn t a good deal. anderson, you also look at what this deal brings to the table. it brings to the table at least floor consideration for the senate. ask that is something you noted chuck schumer says is in the grand scheme of things. they didn t necessarily make any promises they didn t think they could actually keep. and they reopen the government with essentially the same bill they put on the table friday night. in the end i think everybody can agree this isn t exactly a dplorious moment in the history of the institution. to democrats right now who are questioning strategy and whether or not this is good idea, do they actually end up better in the long run? those questions obviously not going to get answers to for a couple of weeks. and is there going to be another shutdown or facing another shutdown? yeah, i think the reality here as you look at the sheer scope of the issues still on the plate, and that s why democrats are saying, look, you still have a lot of leverage here. there s a two year budget agreement that raises spending caps on defense that republicans are very interested in getting that democrats have made clear they re not going to sign-on to until there s a daca resolution. they haven t been able to do anything quickly in this chamber or chambers for a long period of time. it question they can do that now, it is an open one at that. you look at the winners, losers, there s nuances to it. a bipartisan group, 25 senators in the last three or four days really kind of made some tides or bonds to push to a resolution. can they serve as a baseline for the institutions moving in a better direction, a less partisan direction at some point over the next couple of weeks? they re hopeful that might actually be the case. we ve seen groups toorlgt and fall flat on their faces in the past. will this year be any different particularly in an election year, we ll see. but in the last three days where nobody s been particularly proud of themselves, maybe that can serve as a baseline moving forward. want to go now to the white house. cnn s jim acosta is there. how much of a role did the president play in this deal. reporter: there was a wall for daca deal that was put on the table. the white house later rejected it. the white house chief of staff apparently told aides on capitol hill it was too liberal. and ever since that moment the president basically stayed behind doors. did not speak with chuck schumer. so he was no longer wheeling and dealing the democrats. that was essentially left to the senate leaders up on capitol hill. schumer and the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. now from what we understand, some of this was by design. all weekend long we never saw the president. he was sort of invisible. it was the art of conseal, and that was by design we re told by sources at the white house. they did not want the president to think when they were watching this shutdown unfold, and that s why the president stayed under wraps. moving forward, do you know if the president will work on a deal going forward to avoid a shutdown in february? he did meet with senator joe mansion of west virginia and doug jones, the new senator from alabama, the new democratic senator from alabama. they met behind closed doors. it was sort of a meet and greet session for jones can and the president. however, it is an indication the president is willing to at least meet with centers from both parties moving forward. but the question, anderson, is whether the white house is simply asking too much from democrats. i talked to various sources in the administration today who said a wall is simply not enough to get a deal to protect the d.r.e.a.m.ers from deportation. there has to be a wall plus other items like ending family immigration or chain migration. and so that is going to be up for democrats to decide whether they can expect something like this. i talked to one senior administration official who said, quote, a wall does not equal border security, end quote. that is an indication how much the position over here at the white house is hardening on immigration at this point. and the president is essentially listening to his aides. people like stephen miller and the white house chief of staff john kelly cautioning about the president taking deals with the democrats he was according last friday. so the question is at this point can they get to a point where they can both agree to protect these d.r.e.a.m.ers. it is going to be a wait and see process for the next 17 days. angus king voted yes for the short-term bill joins us now. can you explain what hachanged in your view from friday night to today? what changed in my mind was everything we can in the next three weeks to deliver. does it concern you, because in that very public meeting where cameras were allowed, bipartisan meeting, i guess it was two weeks ago, the president seemed to agree with senator feinstein about doing daca, then doing what he termed comprehensive immigration reform. not clear he understood the meaning or how that phrase is commonly used, but then when republican kevin mccarthy jumped in and said actually, mr. president, i think what you really mean, he seemed to side with the republicans. then he seemed to go back to the democratic position. well, i think if what you are suggesting is the president should try to narrow his position and make it more clear, mitch mcconnell on the floor this past week said i can t vote on anything or bring anything to the floor until i determine what the president is for. that was another big deal today. basically, mitch mcconnell separated himself from the president and said we are not waiting anymore for the white house to settle on a position. on february 8th, if we haven t been able to resolve it through internal discussions, which is certainly what we are trying to do, as i say, starting two hours ago, if we are not, we are going to bring a bill on the floor. senator king, appreciate your time. thank you very much. up next, much different take on today s deal. we hear from a congressman who voted no and has a lot of concerns. also later, how the porn star who allegedly had an affair with the president when he was a citizen is trying to cash in on all the publicity. new year, new phones for the family. join t-mobile, and when you buy one of the latest samsung phones get a samsung galaxy s8 free. plus, unlimited family plans come with netflix included. so, you can watch all your netflix favorites on your new samsung phones. join the un-carrier and get a samsung galaxy s8 free. all on america s best unlimited network. he d be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. sometimes you need an expert. i got it. and sometimes those experts need experts. on it. 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[ clanking ] tartlets? we cover commercial vehicles, too. i think there s something wrong with your sink. we cover commercial vehicles, too. breaking news tonight, it partial government shutdown is ending after democrats and republicans voted to keep the government running until february 8th. president trump still has not signed the bill. that should happen any moment. congressman, thanks so much for being with us. can you just explain why you were a no vote tonight? once again, anderson, the d.r.e.a.m.ers were left behind. this is the third consecutive time i ve voted against a continuing resolution. i think this is dysfunctioning way to run government. it s like paying your rent every week as opposed to theened of the month. this is dysfunctional way to running government. and it s far broader than the d.r.e.a.m. act, it s about not only giving chip, insurance to young churn but funding and teaching hospitals and about disaster relief. that affect the american people and of course leaving 800,000 d.r.e.a.m.ers out in the cold. your colleague reportedly said that senate democrats were quote, getting their butts kicked. would you agree with that term? well, the pendulum may have swung a different way today, but we ll live to fight another day. and we re just concerned that the promises that were made by the leader in the senate are true promises. this is my first year, but i ve learned quickly that many promises here are not kept. and stow i m concerned that on the 8th we ll face another crisis that will lead to a public assault against d.r.e.a.m.ers. some folks here on the floor of the house of representatives were equating immigrants and d.r.e.a.m.ers to violent criminals. how vile is that, to resort to fanning the flames of racism across america? i m here to fight for the d.r.e.a.m.ers. that s one of the reasons i got elected to congress, and we ll be waiting until the 8th to see what happens the then. senator king was on the program saying he believes because mitch mcconnell made this pledge publicly and sort of his language was not as divisive rhetoric, that he felt more confident that now mitch mcconnell is on record pushing for some sort of deal, at least dealing with this. well, these debates about whether you will or you shall are really sterile and very poor. they are debates that show no commitment to resolving the critical needs. i met with a group of d.r.e.a.m.ers last time. if you see them, anderson, if you look in their young faces and see what they stand for, their aspirations, energy and their love for this country, you really can t say no to them. that s why 80% of americans are supporting them. but they got caught up in this debate whether the government will be shutdown. it s unfair to them and to their families. want to talk the politics of all this with our bipartisan panel. robby mook, rick santorum and anna navarro. did this shutdown accomplish anything in your view? i think it brought the dreamer issue to the forefront. i think it highlighted the urgency of the d.r.e.a.m.er issue. it has for the last week, the last ten days, shown us the faces and the stories of d.r.e.a.m.ers. we have seen the stories of people that are getting deported, how they are getting separated from their children, what it s doing to american families and to the american way of life. i think it s highlighted what is an urgent issue that needs to be addressed. it has also shown the horrible dysfunction that is washington, that is our government. they keep kicking the cans down the road without really solving the national crisis. it showed that chuck schumer could take a position and it showed that chuck schumer could hold it for two days. he couldn t hold the position. so you know, i think it s shown us a lot of things but we don t know what the end game is going to be yet. was it a mistake for democrats to go along with this? look, i m as frustrated as anybody out there. i think it s lunacy what s going on that we can t fund the government, it s lunacy we are leaving the dreamers in limbo and this hasn t been passed when clearly the votes are there. all that said, understanding we are in a lunatic situation, the democrats used their leverage to get a vote on these dreamers. that is progress. if what we really care about here is getting policy passed, we took a step in the right direction. a few days ago, we weren t getting this vote. hopefully now there s going to be a vote, it will pass and there will be the political pressure to force the president to sign. so this is not an ideal situation. i m unhappy like everybody else but i think as democrats we have to step back, recognize the incredibly complex and difficult situation that senator schumer was in, and recognize and frankly, applaud these senators for holding the line and moving the ball down the field. that s how this stuff works. senator santorum, is that what democrats did? i don t see it that way at all. the reality is that what this showed the american public and it s the reason the democrats backed down, was that democrats are more interested in illegal immigrants than they were about working men and women and the people in our military and keeping the government funded and taking an issue that had nothing to do with continuing funding and tried to inject that into a spending debate. the republicans have done this in the past and republicans got their head handed to them. every time, ted cruz did a couple years ago. before that, we had other things, where we tried to put extraneous things in these spending bills and the public said no, don t do that. if you got a problem with immigration or with obamacare, deal with it, but don t mess up, don t shut down the government, don t get to this brinksmanship. be adults. i think the democrats did not learn that lesson. they thought the media was going to be on their side, the folks you just heard earlier were going to go out and tell them how heroic they were. what they found out is the american public said no, we actually don t agree with what you are doing here. that s why they backed down. actually, i think it s a little more complicated than that. you know, rick says that democrats were putting illegal immigrants ahead of the working men and women and ahead of the men and women in the armed forces. actually, dreamers are the working men and women in america. actually, there are 900 dreamers who are serving in the armed forces today. that s the type of people for whom we need to find a solution. look, you know, people may not like the shutdown, but the irony of this, the juxtaposition what made it really complicated is that they really approve of the dream act. most people see dream act kids, the dream act youth, as a special category within immigrants, within undocumented immigrants, because we realize that they came here through no fault of their own. it was not their own actions. it was not their own decisions. now they are americans in every way but one, and does this country have the heart, do republicans have what it takes to see families separated and then lecture us about family values, to see employers left without employees and then lecture us about business, to see schools empty of students and then lecture us about education? so that s the question republicans have to ask themselves. you are missing one very important point. the bottom line is people who are here illegally are here illegally. we break up families all the time. when people commit illegal acts. it happens all the time. families get broken up. people lose their employment when they commit illegal acts. senator santorum hold it. let him finish. you are talking about 700,000 dreamers and you said 900 are in the military. of course, those have an opportunity to gain their citizenship under the current law. so the reality is, there are pathways for people going forward. what republicans are asking for, what donald trump is asking for, is something very, very reasonable and so far, the democrats have been unwilling to move forward. they want four things. four things the democrats have voted for time and time again. border security, they want the end of the visa lottery, they want chain migration to be limited, and they want to deal with this daca issue. put a bill together that does those four things, not 20 other things, which is what the quote, compromise did, and i bet you would be surprised you haven t moved on this. you have seen people on i m sorry, i will talk over you because i have to take a break. when we continue this conversation, did president trump help or hurt negotiations? 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yeah, but the president, i m sure president trump could have done something to save this. he is totally having this both ways by doing everything he can to kill it on the one hand and then on the other hand saying well, i will do something if congress can. and changing his tune every day. let s remember, too, the senators came to the president with a bipartisan agreement on this and he was the one who blew it up because he couldn t control his mouth and made some racist statements. he is the real problem here. i actually think we should be proud that a bunch of our senators stood up and we got an agreement moving today. that s a big deal. senator santorum, is it clear to you how much president trump was actually involved in ending this shutdown? because you hear the white house claiming credit, but was this more white house victory or mcconnell victory? i think the president, you know, when you have a winning hand you sit there and hold your hand. there was no reason for the president to go out there and negotiate with himself. the reality is the democrats were going to cave because the public was moving against them for all the reasons that i talked about earlier, and there was no reason for the president to go out and do anything other than stand his ground and say we will deal with this issue separately, we are not going to include this in the spending package, and look, i agree that something needs to be done on this issue. i also want to point out as you did, anderson, the president was following the law unlike president obama who didn t follow the law when it came to these dreamers. the reality is i think the house needs to move. if you would my suggestion is paul ryan and the house get a bill, do the four things president obama has said he wants to do, put those four things in a package and send them over to the house, show the american public the house is willing and republicans are willing to pass a bill that provides some relief for dreamers as well as meet the other four conditions, get it to the senate and let them deal with it. anna, do you think to senator santorum s point, the democrats would have been blamed for this shutdown if it went on longer? look, i m not sure if it was a mistake or if it was the right thing to do but i do know that but for this, there would be no promise from mitch mcconnell right now for there to be a vote before february 8th on the daca issue. and it is an issue for which the clock keeps counting down. if you are a daca kid right now, you realize you have only got six weeks left. they have had six months to deal with this since donald trump ended the executive order. so there is this sense of urgency. whether it was a mistake or not, i think we will know the answer to that on february 9th, february 10th, whenever we know the answer of whether this in fact leads to legislation, to a law being passed and people whose lives are in limbo, whose future is in limbo right now, having some certainty and being able to achieve the american dream, or whether we don t. ask me then if it was a mistake. robby, i talked to independent senator angus king earlier who said the fact mitch mcconnell made a public pledge and used sort of not very divisive language, that is what made him decide to vote for this continuing resolution. the senators obviously know him better than i would. i don t trust him that much but i do trust the senators on both sides that are saying that they believe that he will keep his word. i think anna had this exactly right. i think we will know in early february if this was a good deal to make. i think given all the information today, this was the right choice for schumer, the right choice for the democrats, and americans should hold the majority leader s feet to the fire to follow through on this. what s remarkable about this is everybody agrees on this. we should be able to pass this no problem and holding his word shouldn t be a problem. want to thank everybody on the panel. ahead, the gop in-fighting over immigration. one republican senator points the blame at the white house adviser stephen miller who is an outspoken confidant of the senators. what we know about him, next. with advil s fast relief, you ll ask, what pulled muscle? 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[ both smooch ] ciao bella. rmens have democrats passing a bill on capitol hill to keep the government running until february 8th. question is, can they reach a deal to avert another showdown in 17 days. this was the first shutdown ever when one party is in control of both congress and the white house. as you might have noticed, there s some gop in-fighting. over the weekend, republican senator lindsey graham wasn t shy at blaming at laying some of the blame on the trump white house, singling out white house adviser stephen miller. here s what he said. the reason we yanked these things back is because mr. miller, i have known him for a long time, i know he s passionate, i know he s an early supporter of the president but i will just tell you his view of immigration has never been in the mainstream of the senate and i think we are never going to get there as long as we embrace concepts that cannot possibly get 60 votes. white house press secretary sarah sanders is pushing back on that telling cnn quote, stephen s not here to push his agenda, he s here to push the president s agenda like everybody else in this building. we are doing our best to carry out what the president has laid out and to implement and communicate his principles and stephen s no different on that front than anyone else. that s how the white house sees it. but no one is going to dispute that miller is not shy about speaking his opinion and he s no stranger to politics. randi kaye tonight looks back. reporter: he s donald trump s youngest policy adviser, the man at the center of the immigration battle who seems like he s always ready for a fight. that is one of the most outrageous, insulting, ignorant and foolish things you have ever said. reporter: the senate aide turned white house adviser stephen miller has found the ultimate national platform for the conservative views he first embraced as early as high school. after the 9/11 attacks when he was just 16, he penned an editorial for the santa monica lookout arguing his high school wasn t patriotic enough. osama bin laden would feel very welcome at santa monica high school, he wrote. in that same article, miller complained about rampant political correctness, spanish language announcements and his classmates who lacked basic english skills. i will say and i will do things that no one else in their right mind would say or do. reporter: all of this, it seems, just a dress rehearsal for his next stop, duke university. writing for the duke chronicle, miller sounded the alarm about immigration. we oppose common sense security measures. we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens. at duke, miller also made a name for himself in the national media by speaking out in support of the duke lacrosse players in a racially charged rape case. nothing seems to be changing. as a student, i can tell you, we are really, really mad. reporter: the lacrosse players were eventually exonerated. after graduating, miller moved to washington, d.c., lending a press secretary job for then congresswoman michelle bachmann despite having no experience. later in 2013, as an aide to then senator jeff sessions, miller helped sessions derail an immigration deal by distributing a handbook packed with talking points to help kill the bipartisan effort. in washington, miller also connected with steve bannon, who gave him entry into donald trump s orbit and campaign 2016. miller on the world stage, crafting trump s speech accepting the republican nomination. i humbly and gratefully accept your nomination reporter: miller also co-authored the president s travel ban. after a federal judge struck it down, miller suggested the judge had no right to question the president s authority. our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. reporter: late today, white house spokeswoman sarah sanders was asked if miller has veto power on immigration. the only person i m aware of with veto power in this country is the president. reporter: for his part, the president seems to like what miller represents. especially his combativeness. no, no. you can be condescending. reporter: i m trying to get to the point reporter: all in a day s work for the kid from santa monica. randi kaye, cnn, new york. powerful white house adviser. now to chris cuomo with a look at what s coming up on the top of the hour. tonight we will do it a little different. we have the big shot of the white house s kellyanne conway. tonight we ask her to do something on tv she s never done before. what is that? 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well, the memorandum, anderson, i will tell you, harkens me back to benghazi where there was an effort to come up with all of these conspiracy theories about how there had been a stand-down order and how people had deliberately acted poorly. that s what this is. this is the latest installment in chairman nunes sort of one-man operation to try to damage, throw mud on the fbi and doj all in service of calling into question bob mueller s investigation and of course, trying to provide some, any substantiation to the crazy charge the obama administration was wiretapping the trump campaign. when you hear colleagues as describing the contents jaw-dropping, saying americans will be surprised how bad it is, what do you say to that? i would say that it is partisanship at its worst, that many people years from now will look back on the damage that they did to the fbi and to the doj based on no evidence and the reason i say no evidence is because the memo is based on highly, highly classified things, so highly classified that most members of the intelligence committee have not seen them, but that certainly your average member of congress has not seen. so in as much as members of congress are out there making which does or does not suppose the talking points the allegations that compromise this memorandum. they don t know what they re talking about? they have not seen the evidence which under lies the talking points the allegation in this memorandum. they have no basis to know other than nunz personal opinion. that there is any truth to the charges. they have not seen the under lying classified information. some are calling for full transparent si. what s the harm in releasing a redakted version? i would support that. i m not fan of putting out republican talking points where there isn t an ability for people to look a the under lying crassfied information. but if it s anything lib the four page memorandum. which a quick reading that the thing just kind of reeks of poor work, of bad logic. i imagine they ll clean it up. if you can see the memorandum in the first line there s something said that s obviously untrue. so it s important i m always fan of transparency. it s porpt this get out there. it s important for the fbi whose reputation is damaged. fbi who keep us safe whose lives on the line. they with being youzed as a political tool. to try to damage mueller s investigation. it s important to find a way to rebut what i think is our fundamentally rebuttable charges. it s interesting you say that. that should tell you something. if you make an accusation against somebody and say you can t see the accusation. that should tell you something. there s a yn in court you put accuser in front of defendants. so you can have it out. the fact a they won t let. fbi see the memorandum. it s flimsy and pathetic. the fbi has to get over classification challenges. they would make quick work of saying this is flat out wrong. their not making it available should tell you something. appreciate your time. thanks. up ahead a public appearance at a not so surprising republican e . how can you make your hair even stronger? 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house and the senate. we know that the leaders in the house, speaker paul ryan, the leader were on the train. they are okay. but the tragic news today that there s one american confirmed dead. somebody who was traveling on the truck that the train hit. and we also know that there was one person who was critically injured and taken to an area hospital who was also traveling in the truck. we also know now that congressman jason lewis of minnesota was transported to a hospital. we have a photo of him with his neck in a brace being treated by medical percesonnel. we don t know at this point the extent of his injuries. we heard from an aid previously there was one member of congress who was hurt who was standing up when this accident occurred. everybody who was on the train felt a jolt, especially those traveling near the front of the train. there were laptops, cell phones went fly iing. as you point out, many members had their spouses, children, guard. then also should have had gates. we can t speak to whether they were operating, but it was one of those locations that should have been. e equipped with that. so the ntsb and federal railroad administration and amtrak will be looking at how did this happen. always keeping in. mind the train always has the right of way. and a train can take up to a mile and a half to stop. that s an estimate of how fast it was going. so they are going to pull this train back probably back to charlottesville. we re told members of congress will be boarding buss to go on to their retreat destination. investigators will be looking at why was this trash truck on the tracks. was it stuck? did the driver try to beat the train? the numbers are staggering. every year about 270 motorists are killed in chigss with trains. and 3400 people are killed us l usually because they are on the tracks too close to the tracks. so this is almost a daily occurrence. somebody is killed in a collision with the train. as we said a collision involving a motor vehicle occurs at least once and usually several times a week. it is always the train s right of way. the numbers are absolutely astonishing. i as we look at the numbers the first, second, third reason why that usually occurs? is it usually mechanical? is it usually because people are where they are not supposed to be? do you know? it s almost always, by the way, the train being pulled back so their priority is to clear this scene quickly. once they have gathered the evidence they have to reopen the tracks. it s not just passengers that rely on those train tracks. it s also a freight rail. as to why this happened, people just try to beat the train. we see it time and time and time again. and very often if not most often they are in these rural settings where somebody thinks they can goose the pickup truck, if you will, and get across before the train. they just miscalculate because the big looming train is traveling a heck of a lot faster than it would appear if you re just sitting still or trying to beat it across railroad tracks. it s absolutely a tragedy. look now on the left. that s one of the crossing arms that you saw down. so how did that trash truck get stuck on the track, trying to beat the train. tom, thank you for that. joining me on the phone is congressman michael burgess of texas, who was on the train. he s a doctor. he jumped in to administer aid the garbage trucks that spilled over the railroad right away. it was pretty obvious this was a vehicle accident. how are you? there s a young man that s not going to go home to his family tonight. that s always pretty tough. congressman, i know you have business to attend to. you re all going to try to make your way to this conference. i don t know we know that. the train is not under its own power. we re being towed to a larger town. at this point, i can t confirm i know what the plans are from this point forward. do you think they want to go ahead and go on with the conference? honestly, i m conflicted right now. there s a large part of me that says go be with your family. at the same time, there s business to attend to. this is something we do every year. it s an opportunity for the house and senate to be present out of the pressure of washington, d.c. and have a chance to communicate with each other on a face to face basis. hopefully off the record. the democracy will do a similar exercise next week. there are a couple things that struck me when this happened. one is that there are people on board that train. we have talked about this on the air. who went through the shooting at the baseball practice where steve scalise sofs seriously injured. so two brushes potentially with death. there were children on the train as well. yes, many of the members have their family and spouses on the train. we are glad you are okay. and we will wait for a final decision on exactly what is going to happen at the retreat. understanding that people are very shaken u up. this was a close call and i assume you feel, as i heard one other member of congress say, that he s grateful that it could have been a lot worse. congressman, thank you for your time. wee appreciate it after what has been a harrowing experience. were all those people were going is west virginia to what they do every year when they have this retreat. garrett haake got there earlier. he has been standing by there. you just heard what the congressman had to say. others probably have members of their family who just want them to come home. what are you hearing from where you are and what s the latest? the idea of being cob flikted makes a lot of sense. especially when you remember there s a will the of overlap between folks at that baseball field last summer. and folks on this train and involved in this. and the idea of proceeding with a working vacation, which is essentially what this event is. it could be something that doesn t sit right with a lot of members. but the plan remains to go forward with this conference. it s supposed to get start ed i earnest later this vice president dinner. yes shs the vice president plans to comp. he tweeted a little while ago he would be attending this afternoon event that he was supposed to have in west virginia today that s separate in from this conference. it s supposed to be his lead in to his arrival today. there s no discussion that i ve been made aware of and i ve been reaching out to sources throughout the afternoon to see if there s that high level discussion yet about potentially walking this back, canceling a day, cancelling this event. so far, it seems like everyone wants to go forward. and i can tell you the congre congressional institute, which is the nonpartisan organization that sponsor this is retreat has said from their side of things, they still do intend to go forward when the train backs up to charlottes vilville, there w be buss waiting to bring the members presumably the members who still want to come back down here to west virginia for this conference with their families and their children and staffs. if that s what people still want to do. wh that train stops in charlottesville. you describe this as a working vacation. what s on the agenda as far as we know it? sure, the working agenda is a number of seminars, breakout sessions like you might see at any kind of corporate conference. they are talking about infrastructure with the transportation secretary. there s going to be a session with polling group to talk about how republicans can best go sell the tax reform plan that they passed last year. when they go pack out to the midterms. a will the of this is forward looking in that way. it s more party specific than the work they can do on the hill about elections. and about looking ahead to november. so there s a lot of those types of conversations and those types of working meetings and things like that that happen throughout the kourls of these days. tomorrow there s supposed to be a big lunch with the president who is schedule d to be on the ground here for about two hours. so it s an opportunity for members who might not be the types of folks who get invited to the white house every day or every week to get some face time with the the leadership of their parties as well. and for the house and senate, members who don t know each other to work together and to try to cross pollinate ideas, if you will, on some of the policy things they want to try to get done in this congressional session. garrett, thank you. wbr id= wbr9910 /> i know you ll keep us posted as you hear more. buddy carter of dpa was on that train as well. he joins us on the phone. how are you doing, congressman? i m doing fine. my wife and i u are fine. as you can imagine, it s a harrowing experience. we were traveling along at what appeared to be a normal rate of speed. all of a sudden there was a big jolt. we were in the second to last car and we realized that as the /b> train came to a stop, we stopped just about at the point where the truck had been essentially cut in half. the cab was separated from the back part of the truck. there was trash everywhere. then we realized what had happened. it sournds horrific, as i m sure it was. were people calm. was there panic on the train? describe the scene after the impact. wbr-id= wbr10510 /> i think there was a lot of confusion. what just happened. as i mentioned earlier, wh we were at somewhat is of an advantage that we could see that obviously we hit something and realized what had happened then. i suspect a lot of people at front of the trab may not have realized that. but it was a very strong jolt and it did i m sure there was some bumps and bruises. i heard one member was taken to the hospital with a concussion. there s some we obviously are having some trouble with the cell phone, but thank you, congressman. we are glad you are okay. i was just handed some additional information from the uva health system. this is outside of charlottesville. and they say at this time of train crashed, three patients have been transported to the uva medical center. two additional patients are on their way there. one patient is in critical condition. the remaining patients are still being e evaluated. kelly o donnell is is at the white house for us. reporter: we can tell you that the president and house speaker paul ryan have now connected by phone. you would anticipate this sort of a call in the aftermath of this kind of a situation where there s an ongoing crisis but also a need for the connection to the white house. so that phone call has now taken place. the vice president plans to go to west virginia as scheduled. we are not clear on how is and to what degree there would be changes to the course of events planned. but there s this link now between the white house and the scene. and any time we re talking about the vice president, it s important to remember he was a member of the house for many years and has long ties there. so much of his time in office as the vice president has been doing the sort of liaison between the administration and congress when there have been critical votes. some that have gone for the administration, and some that have not. there s a real relationship there. one of the things i also wanted to note for our viewers who may not realize that each chamber of congress has its own chaplain. the house chaplain is is a priest who was on this train as well. and i understand from members he was administering prayers and concern to those who were injured. you don t often have a member of the clergy right there at that tragic moment. because he is the chaplain of the house, a full-time position appointed by the speaker, he was present. that is something that can provide first responders who contend to the physical wounds. there are spiritual and emotional components to a situation like this. so i think that s an interesting part of this story involving lawmakers and their families traveling to this conference. so from the white house, we expect that there will be an opportunity to hear from the president today on his planned schedule as you have been talking about. he was intending to go to west virginia tomorrow to address the group. we don t have any indication there s a change to that schedule, but it s so soon after these events, they may have to e evaluate what the next best steps should be. but this is one of those situations where there s an emotional jolt to the lawmakers tlp. there s the loss of life. we don t have the specifics on those who have been seriously injured, but this certainly is an upsetting circumstance to everyone involved. then to go and get back to business, there s a push and pull between wanting to do work with serious dead lines that the congress is facing, the white house is facing and at the same time being in the moment of the severity of what has happened here. thank you for that. we should also say as far as that emotional jolt, we saw very real signs last night at the state of the union of the partisanship of capitol hill of the divide on issues and so on. when something like this happens on capitol hill, there are a lot of people across the aisle who have known each other for years, if not decades. this is something that s going to resinate throughout the halls of congress among congress members, staff, family members who though each other. so we re going to keep our eye and keep you updated on that. we re going to take a quick break. the other breaking news on the republican memo and what the fbi had to say in a rare statement. if you re 65 or older, you may be at increased risk for pneumococcal pneumonia that can take you out of the game for weeks, even if you re healthy. pneumococcal pneumonia is a potentially serious bacterial lung disease that in severe cases can lead to hospitalization. it may hit quickly, without warning, causing you to miss out on the things you enjoy most. prevnar 13® is not a treatment for 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now on that classified republican memo alleging abuses by the fbi and justice department. let s go right to justice correspondent pete williams pr the latest. we got a statement from the fbi. what did they have to say. two points basically. they say this shouldn t come out because it s classified and second ly, it shouldn t come ou because it s wrong. what the fbi says it has solemn obligations to the fisa court is what this memo involves. an application for permission to monitor the communications of an american citizen who was connected to the trump campaign and according to those who are familiar with the memo, the allegation may have been he was communicating with the russians. but. the fbi says number one, this this is stuff shouldn t come out. but then they say the fbi was provided a limited opportunity to review the memo the day before the house intelligence committee voted to release it. as expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo s accuracy. so that s the second part. where they think the memo is wrong. the first part of the statement that this sort of thing is classified and shouldn t come out. the fbi has obligations to the fi is sa court not to reveal these classified matters. it s an interesting statement, i think, because it hasn t been released yet. we were told earlier today by justice department official if the memo did come out, there wasn t much the government could say about it because it deals with classified material. so this statement it seems to me is in essence a bit of last-minute lobbying by the fbi trying to urge the white house to say if it does come out, it s wrong. pete, i want to bring in julia, the national security and justice reporter. as you know, the white house was asked today about a report that says they helped congressman nunez author this memo. i want to play what was said in response. that was a different piece. that was the president last night caught on open mike saying 100% chance he s going to make sure this get res leased. there seemed to be a little walking back. what s going on at the white house and explain why this is such a big deal. i think what you were referring to is the exchange with sara sanders where she wouldn t say they weighed in on memo, but consulting with congress. that s a big deal because nunez, who authored this memo has been accused of being kind of a mouthpiece for the white house. of not doing his job as a chairman of an oversight committee, but really playing politics and doing the white house s work to undermine the mueller investigation. which would already raise a lot of concerns about what s going to come out. as pete said, there s a lot of concern from the justice department and the fbi that this isn t accurate and there won t be anything anyone can say because if there were other sources that were used that nunez chose to ignore because it doesn t go along with his narrative they won t be able to correct the record because they will be adding on to classified information that shouldn t come out. so the fact that they could be working on this memo brings up even more concerns about its legitimacy. so pete, if he s still with us, basically the fbi finds itself in a situation where except to do what may be sort of a last-minute bit of lobbying, there s really no control that they have over this. that s right. all they can do is try to persuade the white house. if this whole conversation has a strange i just came in tin the middle of a soap opera kault kwa, we don t know what s in the memo. we haven t seen it. it s written by staffers about an application presented by the fbi to this foreign intelligence court to get this wiretap what the memo says is look at what it relied ob. look at how undependable this is. what the fbi and justice department are saying here is is there s a lot more to the application than what you may read in this memo and that s why we think this memo gives an incorrect, inaccurate, incomplete picture of what really happened here. thank you to both of you. i want to bring in josh ernest, white house press secretary under president obama. and michael steele, both msnbc contributors. why are so many republicans stand iing back and letting nun, who has been discredited as a courier for the white house, why are they backing him on this? because that s the president s ploy. that s his player on the field for him. i think pete put his fingers on it in describing the way it s playing out. the reality of it is the administration wants to be hands off. they don t want to get into the political machinations of all of this. so they have someone that can carry that water and advance their agenda on this subject matter. the fact of the matter is he has not seen the underlying documents. all his staff did was put together some cliff notes around what they think they know and think they saw. now they are going to project this out as somehow as an indictment against the fbi. why? because that furthers the narrative they want to create can to discredit not just the institution, but the individuals that run it who happen to be investigating the president of the united states. i was thinking about your white house and can you imagine being in his office and top officials from the fbi, the fbi director and the justice department come in and say, this is a threat to national security if you put it out there. it s wrong. by the way, it s also classified. and let s just say dennis used to be the head of homeland security and e he says, well, okay. this is an outrage. this is government by conspiracy theory. that right now what you have is you have the white house conspireing with a republican stooge on capitol hill to try to drum up some evidence of a conspiracy inside the department of justice against donald trump. there s no evidence for that. so what they have to do is they are making it up. that s why you re seeing the fbi indicate there s omissions of fact that actually give people a mistaken impression about the work that the fbi has been doing. that s all that s happening here. and it is unthinkable that something like that would have happened in the obama white house. let s be clear about this. it s unthinkable something like that would have happened in the bush white house. this is not normal. with so many other things, it s unprecedented. michael, put yourself here. will there be no consequences for this? do they think that indeed the net outcome of this is going to be so overwhelmingly positive that the same people who raised so much concern about national security and hillary clinton s e-mail server have completely done an about face about national security now. two things, tax cuts. everybody has $20 starting next month. that s going to alleviate that. people are going to be in the fog of getting a little money in their paycheck, they won t care about this. and to the extent they happen to turn away from all that money in their paycheck, they will look at this issue and say, that s just a bunch of noise. it s all made up. it s fake news. they are creating a fake news narrative in advance of what mueller will do. we don t know what that is. mueller could say the president is completely ab solved from all of this. but the fact of the matter is is you do have two people who pled guilty. there must be something here that bothers the white house and certain republicans on the hill enough that they feel they need to apun the character and create a false narrative making up fake evidence really. because that s essentially what you re doing. you don t have all the facts in front of you. you re gathering the pieces to create a narrative that doesn t exist. this has been described as writing a book report about a book you haven t read. not even checking the cliff notes. let me say that in the last several weeks, i have gone to pennsylvania and ohio and sat down and talked to a lot of voters. i was over the weekend in ohio i was in a family restaurant and talking to people. frankly, these are people who were democrats who decided to vote for trump, who think this is much to do about nothing. they are sick of the russia investigation. is this about the democrat messaging? have they not explained this well? because again, this is purely n anecdotal, but i will tell you going out there and talking to people over the course of the last several months, the russia investigation is not high on the list of moderate to conservative democrats and swing voters. i think the reason for that is going back to the truism about politics. people are fundamentally self-interested when they are making political decisions. and people recognize that these questions about russia, it s complicated. ait doesn t affect their day-to-day lives. there are broader questions about what s happening in washington, d.c. related to health care, related to immigration and the broader economy. it s not surprising to me that people are more likely to base their decisions and their assessment about what s happening in washington, d.c. based on how those issues are shaking out. i had an opportunity to have dinner with a house democratic caucus meeting ermier this week. i had a discussion with several dozen house democrats. i was speaking at this meeting. we talked about messaging. the concern that is palpable among democrats on capitol hill is is the fact that president trump is getting some political strength from a strong economy. an economy that s doing well. i got to ask you about last night. the other thing i hear consistently, even about democrats who are in office is that the democrats don t have a clear message. last night they had five messages. they had five messengers, but that s indicative of a diverse party. or a party that doesn t know who it is? those messages were not contradictory. there s a lot of overlap. the fact we have multiple ma messengers is indicative of a party out of power, but also of a different parts of the party. a diverse party eager to hear a contrast with the president. i m not saying it s an ideal situation, but it s not problematic there are multiple voices that are making their message heard. the problem that you have and you know this very well having seen it from the other side from the white house and having the republicans kind of anchor against the white house, you don t have that central voice that rises up and that leads the call for rank and file democrats to come to the aid of the party, i if you will. we were in the same position when president obama gave his state of the union, there were five or six responses by republicans. and i and some others criticized that because the idea is in that moment, you want to centralized message that cuts through and galvanizes all those parts of the party. that s the short koming right now the democrats have and the advantage the president has taken clear advantage of over the last year without that person, that voice, it s not chuck schumer, who is it? as long as that state is vacant, he will play the game the way he s playing it. the slight difference between now and then is you had unfortunately for republicans at the time, you had republicans in their own party criticizing their own republicans. they are doing it more quietly than we did. there s another piece of breaking news that came out in the last hour. trey gowdy, who said i m stepping down because my schedule is too crazy. i think politico called him hillary clinton s number one enemy has decided to step down. what do you make of it? it tells me that guys like him are looking down the pike and they see the writing on the wall. they do not want to be the ranking member on the committee come this time next year. so they see what s about to happen. despite everything else that s going on, the complex, the composition of the congress will change this november. republicans, like trey gowdy and others see it. they are getting out while the getting is good. josh ernest and michael steel, thank you so much. we are going to stay on top of the breaking news in virginia. that train carrying republican members of congress, staff and families, crashing with a trash tra truck. we re going to speak with one of the congressman who was on that train, next. let s get started. show of hands. who wants customizable options chains? ones that make it fast and easy to analyze and take action? how about some of the lowest options fees? are you raising your hand? good then it s time for power e trade the platform, price and service that gives you the edge you need. alright one quick game of rock, paper, scissors. 1, 2, 3, go. e trade. the original place to invest online. let s take a look at some numbers: 4 out of 5 people who have a stroke, their first symptom. is a stroke. 80 percent of all strokes and heart disease? preventable. and 149 dollars is all it takes to get screened and help take 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just awe arrived here in virginia along with a couple other colleagues who have rerouted. as i m sure you can see pictures all this morning. it was chartered. local police officers come out to assist in the effort. there are seven puss that have arrived already to take members to the retreat. members have not started to get off the train yet, but we saw it being towed back ward. they attached an engine to what was the back of the train to pull it back towards the station. just up the road. now we are seeing capital police officers with canine dogs and others clearing the scene to make sure it s safe for these members of congress as they try to get this back on track. we are watching and monitoring reports of the congressman who was injured. came to the hospital as well as a staffer for paul ryan. as we have reported, there was one fatality involved in the garbage truck as well as that one man who was critically injured. we re waiting for updated reports on his condition. but at this point, they do seem to be moving forward with this plan to continue the retreat on relative schedule. we ll keep you posted if we re able to catch up with other members of congress. we ll let you go, but thank you for that update from the scene. kevin cramer from north dakota was actually doing a radio interview on the train at the time of the crash. take a listen to his reaction. sorry about that. we just hit a bump here. somebody on the ground we have a number of doctors on board. the doctor is a war veteran and surgeon. so it s quite an ordeal to say the least. the back end has been separated from the cab. the garbage is in the ditch. and i u don t know whether everyone is okay. i just experienced a power of a train. while it was a jolt, it didn t even really lose a valuable lesson. do not challenge a train at a crossing. he was on on live. joining me now is tom costello, who covers transportation for us. what s the latest you have? we just got off the phone with federal authority who is tell us federal railroad investigators and the ntsb will send go teams and should be enroute any moment now down it this area. his point, don t ever challenge a train. driven home nearly every day if not weekly. 260 people dying in 2016. motorist us killed when they get in front of the train. the train has the right-of-way. it can take a mile to a mile and a half to stop. we do also know that that particular train crossing area right there, that intersection was equipped with not only flashing lights, but also with the train arms on both sides. so how did this garbage truck end up on the tracks? did it try to go around the arms? we do have witnesses who have been on msnbc saying that poet. arms were working and the lights were working. so investigators are going to try to figure out exactly why was this garbage truck on the tracks. was it stuck, was it trying to beat the train, those are the questions. it is nearly impossible for them to slam on the brakes in time. the injuries that they are most concerned about would be the other individual who was inside that trash truck. one of them seriously injured. the driver of the trash truck did not survive. and then one member of congress who was on the train taken to nearby charlottesville medical center for conference. how are you doing? i think everyone on the train is shaken up. going into an accident of this sort, everybody has some bumps and bruises. fortunate fortunately, only minor injuries on the train. there were a couple individuals that were transported to the hospital just for observation. but we all feel fortunate that everybody on the train had minor injuries at best. but our prayers do go out to the three individuals in the trash truck. one fatality and two air lifted out. we hit the train and the truck at immediate impact with no braking. it certainly was a surprise to all of us. there was at least one member of congress who said that at least least most everyone came through it okay that it could have been much worse. are you having a little bit of a feeling there but for the grace of god go i? yeah, absolutely. this is a train. it s a smooth ride. you re expected to have a safe ride. and certainly with children on board and people walking around, there s certainly the opportunity for greater injury. so we re fortune only minor injuries today. the congressional institute just within the last half an hour put out a statement saying that they talked to the leadership of the house and senate. and they decided the retreat will proceed with an adjusted program. we were talking to your colleague earlier who said he was conflicted that he should go home to his family. i don t know if your family is with you, but do you think everybody s okay with that decision? i do. i think it s norton we re looking after the priorities of the country. the democrats will have their conference next week. and i think it s important for both parties to strategize and prioritize. the one thing i can say specifically about my democrat colleagues, a number of my friends on the other side of the aisle have texted me and called me this morning to make sure we re all okay. i m very be appreciative to have those friendships. this is a situation where partisanship must be put cede. [ no audio ] garrett haake is standing by. they ve decided to move forward. do we know about any adjustments in this schedule that were referred to in the statement? the only thing we know for sure is the addition of the moment of silence for the victims in this crash today and also a briefing about security by the capital police that will be added. the first thing we know about on the calendar for this today is a 5:30 event about tax reform. i can t help but think how jarring that is for members that have been a part of this. to get to the reporters and be sat down in a conference room to talk about tax reform, it s a strange turn. later on in the evening there s an open event, or a partially open event a dinner with vice president pence that reporters will be allowed to watch at least part of. we ll probably hear from the vice president in his leadership role as the vice president of the united states talking about this incident and what it may mean. he s got an event sort of separate from this conference going on in west virginia this afternoon before that happens tonight. but again, you hear it from the congressional institute. this event will go on despite the amount of misgivings from members who ve been on our air. garrett haake, thank you for that. we ll be back with more after this. thank you so much. thank you! so we re a go? yes! we got a yes! what does that mean for purchasing? purchase. let s do this. got it. book the flights! hai! si! si! ya! ya! ya! what does that mean for us? we can get stuff. what s it mean for shipping? ship the goods. you re a go! you got the green light. that means go! oh, yeah. start saying yes to your company s best ideas. we re gonna hit our launch date! 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same rules, you can t lie. i woke up this morning to comments that rudy giuliani had made at a conference in israel about why he doesn t believe that stormy daniels has much credibility. i thought we had largely litigated these things in the past, right, that the idea that he said she is a porn star do we have this? can we play it our audience? i don t know if we have got it. > kno donald trump look at his three wives. beautiful women, classy women. women of great substance. stormy daniels? i respect all human beings. i eveno respect criminals. but i m sorry, i don t respect a porn star the way i respect a career woman or a woman of substance, or a woman who has great respect forer as a woman and as a person and isn t going to sell her body for sexual exploitation. so i respect all human beings. i even respect criminals, but i m not going to respect a porn star. i hope the legalystem doesn t subscribe to this. you know, there is no barrier for her based on her line work to bring the claim she has brought. my reanha isy daniels is an entrepreneur in an industry where the customers are largely men of the it would be prudent for lawyers or men in general to tamp that line down. i was shocked. i was surprised that somebody would think if you are representing the president or any cli t you would put e of argument forward. certainl has legal basis. i guess what we are wondering is atmospherically does it really help the case? 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it s like does anybody think the status quo is working regardless of what your plitsds are? that s right. we have had this conversation, and it s meaningful for you and your constituents to get this done. i m not bothered by the fact that not all republicans are not on the same side. that is the beauty of our pluralistic republican democracy. but is there enough common ground to get something happening? i don t know. i mean the senate tried voting king of the hill. they had a vota on this and they didn t pass anything. that could be in the result in the house, too. but to be prohibited as being reported forr against something when you are a legislator is a curious thing. rememberthe es ge us ch 6th adline, 90 days in the rearview mirror now. when we talk about what is the magic of continuing to do nothing? you have got me. already some issues on immigration where there is not commongreement amongst republicans and certainly not agreement with democrats on the border wall, this is issue that s very for people the come to terms with. but on the issue of some solution for the dreamers forth almost of one mine on this. i think most republicans want some resolution to this. what does it down to? that some republicans are okay with a path to citizenship for you know, when you look at ? that particular issue you say years.e president was citizenship was at the end. bob god lat was talking three years but he had to keep signing up. that s fine. put together on the floor and let s see what the amendment process produces and then see what people actually vote for. this bit where we are saying i don t want the bring something unless i know, et cetera a going to be signed into law. withllue respect i don t kn anybodyho a 100% crystal ball here. remember when we took health care to the floor? guess what? we took the hard votes and it didn t get into law. are we supposed to shut everything down? no. that s the process that your nstituents want to see, some legislative process. this is the part that frustrates people, things stuck in committee and conversations go on in the small groups but it is tough to defend nothing. judge me by how i vote. that s thisbusiness. give me a chanc the vote. setting up this hurdle thatsi d unless i know it s going to pass is like well f we did everythinghat way we probably wouldn t have a country right now. what do you say to those people i did it i was a bit tongue in cheek when i said speaker paul ryan is holding off a mutiny. it isn t muteny but it is a coma i think to the way leadershipngs s be done. through committee and such. how do you see pushing back on the leadership. there3ep that have a higher voting percentage with the president than the speaker is. this isn t a bunch of people running around trying to tear things down. secondly, there is probably general agreement on 80%f e issues. are we going to let the perfect be the competitor to the good? after this long the last tim we were listening to cassette decks. some of your viewers don t even know wha cassettes are. good to talk to you. comi u nex wll other side of the immigration debate among republicans. bob good lat will join mefter the break about why he doesn t want the discharge petition to be happening and what he is proposing in its place. most people come to la with big dreams. we came with big appetites. with expedia, you could book a flight, hotel, car, and activity all in one place. wearing powerful sunreen? yes! neutroge® ultra sheer. unbeatable protection helps prevent early skin aging andn ncer with a clean feel. the best for your skin. ultra sheer®. neutrogena®. i we worked with pg&eof to save energy because wenie. wanted to help the school. they would put these signs on the door to let the teacher know you didn t cut off the light. the teachers, they would call us the energy patrol. so they would be like, here they come, tu off your ligh e three youndies were teaching the whole school about energy efficiency. we actually saved $50,000. and that s just one school, two semesters, three girls. together, we re building a better california. retaliatory tariffs, everything from lamps to pork and cheese to flat steel. some of the tasks aimed at the agricultural sector are set to double nex month testimony retaliatory tariffs hit $3 billion of american gd flowing across the border to the south. the european union is targeting similar commodities including whiskey,ycles, denim, tobyio, juices and more. those tariffs target $3.4 billion worth of goe goods flowing from the united states across the atlantic ocean. canada is ting the hardest stance. in addition to some of the same items targeted by mexico and the eu, they plan to hit pizza, chocolate, paper prodawn mothers, household appliances, shaving creams, soaps, pat res asks playing cards and more. do you know what you have to do to canadians to make them put a tariff on kegs, beer kegs? the canadian tariffs are going to hit $12.8 billion worth of american products. all together three of our biggest trading partners are putting tariffs on nearl $30 billion worth orts f the united states. now the u.s. tariffs and the retaliatory measures come as president trump prepares to head to canada for this weekend s g7 summit. the president is going to face angry allies when he m with the leaders of canada, the ance, germany, italy, and japan. trump imposed these tariffs because of concerns about chinese steel flooding the market and hurting american companies. instead, this has turned into a full-blown trade war with some of america s closest allies. joining us now to have a closer look at this, jane harmon, president of the woodrow wilson center and linda yu a professor at oxford university and author of the book, what would economists do. thothf you for being here. thank you. thanku. listen darks what you right about in your book, you about back to some of the emis the1700s and 1800s when bryn was the big economy in the world. their understanding of the fact that if you have a trade deficit if you are a wealthy country and you have trade deficits with other countries thinkore creatively. it s not necessarily a bad thing that you use t cash that you have t buy other people s cheaper goods. you think about why for instance america has a trade deficit. it has had a trade deficit since at least the second world war. a lot of it is because if you have a stronger dollar you can actually buy more goods. it helps your own economy. i should also say that one of the lessons from ricardo some of the great economists is that all economies are based on trade being free. but it is a not. another approach would be to say listen the biggest thing america produces are services. it is a hard to sell services globally. it s not as open as selling, say, aer ka. therefore, let s open up the services market,t america is really good at. that would improve the trade balance and probably make our allies not so angry. that s an interesting partf though is that we have in terms of manufacturing workers in ica,oth parties have been responsible for spinning a tale that somehow we are going to make things better for them. we are going to buy cheaper ods me in other countries by lower wage workers but we ll fix your problem in ever inning america. somehow. i don t know what we are going to do for them. we we always promised them we would do something. they fed up and voted for donald trump who said i m going to do something for you. they got fed up. but to the just for that reason. automation is taking jobs worldwide and we haven t figured out the next generation of good jobs for enough people. we also don t have our education system aimed at train people forn high school for some of those jobs. about you the other piece of this tt head spinning is how this administration doesn t lynch a to b to c. where are we getting in a trade war with europe and our closest allies based on the national security stion of the trade law when we are letting zte, this massive telecommunications firm in china, which does things that have huge national security implications off the hook? and why are we do this right now when t president is heading to europe to singapore next week to negotiate where we need our allies. a huge deal a potentially huge and possibly successful deal with north korea? why are we doing this. linda, the fact is one of the great thing about trade when done right over all of history you look back at some of the small nation states used to trade with everyone, because they had peace with everyone. maybe they had peace because they traded with everyone. but there is a relationship between good trade and peace. so where you are looking for a world with more peace, keeping your eyes on board is probably a good strategy. it is a good strategy. what we have learned is that globalization if done right really does bring prost pair. we have seen a lot of that around the world. i think the problem with the moving workers is that globalization hasn t helped everybody. rit. there a tse who have been left behind. not just by globalization, but also by technology. if you look at the hollowing out of the middle class, median wages in this country have been stagnant for four decades. that made people say the status quo doesn t work we want something different. i think that is legitimate. however how you get to the better outcome, i think that is the he could. in order for you to have a better trade relationship with your major trading partner the european union is our major trading partner. you ought to have a trade agreement, l t tip which was done under president obama s administration but since stalled. if you talk about national security, to get back to that, economic security is part of national security. pulling out of tpp at the beginning of the trump administration strainedur economic relationships with our partners in asia who we need as a buffer against china and to h north korea. prime minister abe is visiting with president trump i think right this minute i m sure with both issues. both about trade, and about his fear that he could be abandoned in a deal with north korea. if we had stayed in the tpp our influence in asia would have remained bigger than it is right now. they are moving along without us. yeah. i m worried that all of these regions will move along without us. how is it going to look in four or five years if we don t have anybody to trade with and they are all trading with each other. an important moment in time. this is a great book, what would the great economists do. thank you ladies. now back to another key issue i was talking about earlier, immigration. as house republicans continue to negotiate a way the get an immigration bill to the floor some republicans are arguing for a return to regular order. speaker paul ryan spoke positively of the traditional legislative process earlier today. i think what members were running a discharge petition because they were worried that we weren going the take action, that they weren t going to be able to have votes on the floor for policies they like. but inmembers also realize i think members also realize a tis charge petition will not make law. i think they are appreci that we hahe right conversations happening and our next step is putting pen the paper so we can get legislation to the floor. to that end, everybody is agreed that we need to at some point get some legislation. with me, bob good lat the chairman of the house judiciary committee. congressan ma, good see you. i smoke tok ab aday moments ago about on the with aing to have something. wants his constituents to see there is debate amongst members of congress and some vote on something, given that you all seem to want some resolution to this outstanding immigration matter. what s your view? i agree that he would want to pass legislation. not just take it up and vote on it. but pass it. put pressure on the senate to take up this issue again and ultimately get a bill to the president so we can make progress on both securing our borders and closinges our immigrationlaws. and moving moored toward a merit immigration system, and doing something good for the daca recipients so that they have the opportunity to remain in this country permanently and have some at a special pathwo citizenship, not something unique to them, but the opportunity to avail themselves of the pathways that people who immigrate to the united states can afford themselves of now. so this is a very positive development that the pressure is on to do somethin i have been very pleased by. i don t think the discharge petition is the right way to go. that s more likely to yield an unbalanced approach. but the meeting we had this morning was very productive and we are hard at work. you have seen some republicans who have been interested in the discharge position seem to have taken a wait and see view. they will hold up for a little bit to see what you come up. but some of the complaints that and their superintendents have, is that the last time we dealt with immigration in america, in the congressman s words, we were listening to cassette tapes. most of america want to see something done with the dreamers. there may be some dispe let s play what mark said about ways for looking at the path for citizenship or not for dreamers. let s listen together. when you look at that particular issue, you say well the president was talking ten or 12 years, citizenship was at the end of the gob good lat was talking three years and you had to keep signing up. it s like, that s fine. put something on the floor and let s see what the amendment process produce asks see what people actually vote for. congressman, what s your view on what to do with the dreamers. americans overwhelmingly, including republicans, overwhelmingly want a solution to this problem. i agree. as a former immigration lawyer myself i am certainly sympathetic toheir point. here the point. i think we need to assure and the bill i introducedh mccall, and labrador and mcsally, that bill gave them a permanent right to remain in the united states as long as they didn t commit a serious crime and the opportunity to avail themselves of existings to citizenship. it did originally require a renewal every three we moved that to six years. would talking aut what that length of time should be but we right to remain , a statutory right not at the whim of one president or anotherut co citizenship where ty get thing thaeoe who the c avail themselves of as well and get ahead of people who are sometimes on a very long waiting list who want to come to the united states legal flee. they are not eliminated from being in the line. they are just not given li. they are put this the back of it? correct. do you think there is re hope at what youe proposing something that gets voted on any time inhe nr future. yes because these meetings have been very product. and the conference meeting today i think reflected ae on the part of the overwhelming forward with a solution here. but members who sign the discharge petition and members who are s our most conservative members in our congress are working tether to come up with solutions to this problem and allow us to bng a bill to the floor is this congressman thank you for joining us. congressman bob good lat of virginia. we will stay close to the story. coming up, facebook and its data controversy in china. for at least a decade the social media giant allowed chinese companies to access your merge date. new revelations are shining light on the data sharing agreements, some of which are in place. why you should be concerned and what facebook has to say about when we come back. you are watching msnbc. and this is frank s record shop. frank knowns northern soul, but set up a limitecompany.. frank knowns northern soul, what s that mean? 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[cheers] 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. new ensure max protein. in two great flavors. for almost a decade, facebook has been allowing chinese companies to access your peonal information, with the new york mes revealing the data sharing agreements that the social media platform still has in place, here is why you should be concerned. one of the deals is with let me see. there we go. one of the deals is with huawei one of china s biggest telecom equipment companies. its smart phones accessed friends lists, political leanings and work education history. facebook claims the information the company could access stayed on urs phones and not on its servers. a 2012 congressional report expressed concerns that the chinese government could use the company to spy on americans. the federal government has banned the sale of huawwei devices on military locations. there are three other companies who had access as well. if you bought a smart tv on black friday there is a chance you could own one of these devices. facebook could be in trouble with the ftc over these partnerships because some of the deals went into place after it reached a deal with the agency to more tightly control access to your data. facebook isn t the only company under scrutiny over a deal with huawei. the wall street journal reports members of congress want to know more about an agreement that they have with google. that deal allows their devices which run on the android operating service to use the android messaging service to send texts and other media. they want to know if that deal has any information sharing. joining me now, an early and current investor in facebook skpk an early investor in google. you seem to be precious end. you seem to foresee where these problems are going to be. i am not going to get ahead of ourselves here because there is more to come possibly. but you suspected this would be the case. put this into terms that my view remembers going to understand. in simple terms, facebook saw an opportunity to get on to cell phones when smart phones first began. they didn t have a product that would work on every device. so they did a work around. they basically said, we want you guys to access our data and create an experience that is a facebook-like experience. right. and that required them to give up the date. the problem with that is enmeaning you didn t have necessarily the facebook app on your phone. you definitely didn t. but you could use the messaging and everything that fell like and looked like facebook. they didn t have an official babe app. they gave the part it could, and these guys created the rest of the experience inside the phone. the problem with that is that they legally were required by the federal trade commission to have prior consent. right. informed prior consent from the user. they didn t get that. part of the argument that facebook might make. but part of the issue is that they didn t have facebook in china. so this was their way of accessing the chinese market with their product. that doesn t get them off the hook relative to the ftc. this is a patterned behavior. we saw with it cambridge analytic. we are seeing it with smart phones. we are going the see it other other product types. i suspect we will see it in game consoles. anything connected that you have information on. anything connected that facebook might sit on. they wanted to be on everything. yau. when the move came they are initially reluctant to look at mobile. they weren t as prepared for the opportunity of 4g and smart phones as they might have been. yeah. given limiting timing and the large number of manufacturers they cut some corners. is that mitigating for them? at some point there is going to be increasing pressure. the europeans have already taken action. there is going to be inpreecing pressure for americans to take real meaningful action as it relates to privacy as it relates to facebook. i believe that facebook is going the lose the freedom of action it enjoyed its entire life. right. i don t think how long it s going to i don t know how long it s going to take for regulations to kick in if facebook were smart right now they are not behaving that way. but if they were smart they would anticipate the changes and stop the drip and drip of news and sit there and go wait a minute we basically let everybody have everybody s data. that s the conclusion we are coming to. we know that happened. because they didn t see a problem with it. from their point of view it was a legitimate thing. these aren t the customers, these are the products. the users. they don t have a help desk for users. they have help desks for advertisers. ? right. in that scenario there is more to come. this is really important stuff because facebook is not the only company that s going to be guilty of things like this. but they have frankly embarrassed themselves so badly with they ve handled it that they have attracted all the attention. and, you know, it s a huge issue. users have been exploited for economic gain by people who showed absolutely no, you know, no care in what they were doing. and that has to change. i mean but it strikes me there is a road out for platform they have a position that is so powerful that if they were to do the right thing, they would sail happily into the sunset. the problem is doing the right thing going to reduce the numbers. there is no way to fix these privacy issues, to fix the election security issues, and to fix the monopoly issues or to fix any of the other things that are wrong here without reducing their earnings. but the thing that s interesting is that facebook s opportunity to monetize its marketplace, to monetize cash transfers over messenger that s huge. it s still going to be phenomenally successful. they are already billionaires. it s like guys be start. the alternative is to fight a war of attribution against governments that will inevitably wear them down. no meaningful impact to them of the european decision which is good. their imposition of privacy. in fairness, both google and facebook, we have done tests they designed the dialogue boxes that give you the informed consent so that your eyes pass over the things that they tell you. people pass over the same ole thing. people are not standing up for their own rights. they have got them. which is a powerful position in facebook. you control both sides. you have handed over our information and our rights to privacy. this is why they are so crazy to not concede the problem because their situation is so powerful they would be better off. thank you. we ll be right back. you are watching msnbc. - learning from him is great. when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad s got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time. - checkmate! you wanna play again? 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what progress have you made in narrowing the gap in your understanding of denuclearization and north korea s definition of denuclearization? has there been progress in bringing that definition closer together? yes. can you describe that a little bit? no. [ laughter ] that was quick. john. thank you, sarah. thank you, secretary pompeo. as you mentioned in your remarks, north korea in the past has reneged on prior agreements it has made with the u.s. government. so i have two questions for you. first question has to do with your experience meeting with kim jong-un. do you trust him? and my second question has to do with the negotiations that are upcoming with north korea. who, in your opinion, has the upper hand in the negotiations and why? so, with respect to your first question i have had the chance to meet with chairman kim jong-un twice now. i can tell you he is very capable of articulating the things that he is prepared to do, present clearly the challenges that we all have to overcome. it s why the two leaders are meeting. it s an opportunity to lay those out clearly between the two leaders so that we can see if we can find a path forward together that achieves outcomes both countries want. your second question? who has the upper hand? yeah, we don t think about it in terms of who has the upper hand. we know this has been a long intractable challenge. it s gone on for decades. president has said repeatedly previous administrations weren t prepared to do what we ve done already. it s not about who has the upper hand. it s about trying to find a way where you two sides can come to an understanding where we can get concrete steps, not just words to overcome the challenge. mr. secretary, the president said he doesn t believe he needs to prepare very much ahead of the summit. do you think that s a prudent arochi? also i want to get your reaction to rudy giuliani s comments that kim jong-un got on his hands and knees to beg for the summit to go back on, whether he should be weighing in on these international affairs and whether you agree with that assessment. with respect to your second question, i took him as being in a small room and not being serious about the comments. i think it was a bit in jest do you think he could jeopardize the summit? we re moving forward. we re focused on the important things. i know rudy. rudy doesn t speak for the administration when it comes to this negotiation and this set of issues. with respect to your first question, progress, we re making progress inch by inch. we re going to travel there. this is different. the approach president trump is taking fundamentally difference. in the past there have been months and months of detailed negotiations and they got nowhere. this has driven us to a place we have not been able to achieve before. dave. thank you, mr. secretary. the president said today if the singapore meeting goes well, he d like to bring kim jong-un to washington possibly for further meetings. has kim jong-un invited the president to come to north korea? so, i don t want to talk to you about the conversations that have been had between the north korean side and the united states. i ll leave that for the president to talk to. but what i do want to get to, this comes back to the other question you asked about the president s preparation. so, in my previous role and i have said this before, you can look it up there were few days that i left the oval office after having briefed the president that we didn t talk about north korea. so, over months and months, days and days, president trump has been receiving did shall that wraps up this hour for me. i m going to see you back here tomorrow 11:00 a.m. eastern with stephanie ruhle. thank you for watching. going to hand it over to my friend nicolle wallace with deadline white house right now. hi, everyone. it s 4:00 in new york.