seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in arizona as the ones it s powerful mayor drowns in debt and scandal he says he has no regrets. we ve got the tape of him today a new images of those extraordinary moments that hostages are found alive during that, during rescue mission in gaza in broad daylight, a top israeli official will join me here live. i m kaitlin collins this is the source let this sink in and for just a moment, the presumptive republican nominee and the former president of the united states, just met with probation officers ahead of his sentencing which happens to be one month from tomorrow here in new york. now these pre-sentencing interviews are routine procedures for convicted felons, but it s safe to say there is nothing ordinary about this interview or this convicted felon. here s what we do know as of 9:00 p.m. here tonight, it was around 330 this afternoon that donald trump donald trump met virtually from his mar-a-lago club down in south florida with officials here in new york or sources say that he answered all the questions that were asked of him. cnn s john miller was told that trump was polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers who conducted this interview. and the whole thing was over and just under half an hour it is quite the call, but adding to the unusual nature of this whole thing, we re told that the commissioner of new york s probation department was present for it, along with the general counsel and the officer who s assigned to the case and trump, as we know, with the permission of the judge here, one more sean was joined by his lead attorney, todd blanche, who are you d this case. now, typically, a convicted defendant would meet with their probation officer without their attorney. there. but this was different here. like many of the dynamics here. and ultimately it is the probation department that will submit a report based in part on today s interview to the judge here, who of course, will then ultimately decide but trump s punishment will be, i m joined tonight by trump biographer, cnn political analyst, and you times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. maggie, i mean it s a required step before sentencing, but just the aspect that he is undergoing. this is just remarkable in and of itself, everything about this is remarkable. and i do think that we lose sight of it that especially those of us who were in that courtroom, as you and i were, this is a former president who was trying to understand that his supporters think that this was not a case that should have been brought. they say that all the time. i think his lawyers feel this way too but nonetheless, he was convicted and it took less than two days and now we are hurdling toward a republican national convention, where he is going to be he nominated for a third time as the party s nominee, and he will have just been sentenced a few days earlier on july 11. and so i don t think we can overstate how remarkable this is. i think where it stops feeling remarkable is that voters don t same, particularly interested in it. and so this is history. this is something we have never experienced before. everything you just described is not the usual procedure in this kind of a sentencing report interview. but this is not typical, as you said? yeah, for all the talk of how trump has treat, i mean does get special treatment in some of these circumstances and you talked about the hell the sentencing is on. it s on a thursday. the convention starts that monday based on what you ve heard, has it set in for donald trump himself though, that this is happening, that he is having to answer these kinds of questions to probation officers. it has not actually don t think that the the conviction has left his mind much even though he s i think the best compartmentalize are many of us have ever seen on the political stage. i think he is well aware of what he is carrying over the next four weeks this situation where most of them would try to get a lesser sentence in these kind of interviews or when they go before the judge, trump will have an opportunity to speak to offer to be contrite but it doesn t seem like he s going he has been making that argument based on what he s been saying on truth, social, or rallies, or in interviews about this case and we do know he s also planning on appealing it right after that sentencing happens. so how does he balance the two of those so my assumption and we don t know specifically what he said in this interview. it was pretty short today. i don t know what the average length of those are, but 30 minutes is not a long time on its own my assumption is that he was actually not contrite, but certainly more subdued in that interview. than what we have seen on truth, social, what we saw outside of the courtroom and the hallways at the courthouse, what we have seen him du rallies, what we ve seen him doing, interviews it will be very hard for him to then suddenly argue that that s all just politics. or he didn t mean it, or what have you remember? he s going to be sentenced by a judge who cited him for violating a gag order several several times. and at one point said to him, the last thing i want to have to do is put you in jail, but made clear that that was on the table. if he kept doing it i don t know what this ends up looking like it i don t see a world where trump stands up and says, i m really sorry because trump s still denies anything happened, especially to this judge of all people are rapidly rails against repeatedly, which is you make a really good point there that how he acts inside the courtroom or based on what john miller heard about how he was in this interview? it is quite different than how he talks about it at rallies on tv in front of the mics. as you and i know well, from covering him for a long time, he can be very different depending on what crowd he is playing, two and when he knows that he is playing to the probation commissioner and his probation officer or the person assigned to the case. i am expecting that he was slightly more subdued now, do i think that that means that he said you re right. i feel terrible about all of this. no, i find that very unlikely, but i doubt that it was spoken version of the all caps truth, truthsocial posts and part of this process is family members, friends can submit letters to the court on the defendants. the felons behalf do you think that ll happen in this situation? actually do think that there are a lot of people who are potentially going to write testimonials. we ll see if that happens, but we certainly saw that he and his aides were getting people to attend the trial. normally, when people do that, it s so that the jurors can see sympathetic people around the person is in trump s case, it was so trump could roll heavy with elected officials for the most part. but i could see efforts by his family members, by friends. he went to court a couple of times with steve witkoff, one of his oldest friends whose real estate investor from new york, i could see people like that sending in notes to the judge. yeah. it s interesting. i also wonder the vp contenders who also started showing up, the doug burgum is the jd vance s making very clear. it s also a question whether they would say something on his bath or there s doing it on on television and interviews. my assumption is that they are much likely are to do it to the cameras than they are to the judge because they re playing to a different audience than the judge. their plan to trump seated senior legal analyst elie honig is also your elie you when we look at this, how much impact does what happened today in this whole pre-sentencing report that s gonna go to the judge how much impact does that have on the actual sentence itself? these reports matter. they re not binding on the judge, but they absolutely matter because this is the first time you hear from some sort of neutral third party trusted by the courts, probation department, and i promise you, whichever side likes the recommendation will say, look, the probation department is with us. there on our site and just to give you a sense of how closely he held this information is when we would get these pre-sentence report sent to us as prosecutors, it would come in to emails first and encrypted email that you couldn t open unless you had the code and then a second email giving us the password to open it. so that s how confidential this information is kept. it seen as is proprietary, it s private information, it s personal information, so it s very closely guarded by the courts. does it ever make a difference to the prosecution of what they re going to ask the judge for in terms of sentencing, when they look it over port like this for sure. because let s put ourselves in alvin bragg s position here for a second. this is going to be really close call at sentencing. what does alvin bragg? i think he s likely to ask for some term of imprisonment. i think it s hard for him to bring a case like this. just to get 34434 convictions and then say, we re fine with probation. and if probation, the probation department itself has come in first and said, we recommend prison. it s much easier as the da to say we agree with them. yes. do that there s a lot of information in this pre-sentencing report that it actually could pertain to his other legal issues that he s dealing with from the civil ones here in new york, but also the other criminal cases. could that complicate anything? i mean, is that why todd blanche attended this today? would normally an attorney would not be present for it, happy if i had a client who had three other pending indictments and several civil verdicts in the process of appeal, i would absolutely insist on being there because what he says can be used against him in certain circumstances. another thing to keep your eye on here is now the trump s been convicted once he sentenced in new york that could actually bump up his punishment if he s convicted in the other cases because those cases, what you do is you calculate a person s criminal history. now, he has a criminal history. you re agreeing maggie? impact. do you think it could have i think it could have all of the impacts that le just described. i also think that it could end up being i m not sure that this will happen, but because it hasn t happened yet, but it could end up being a factor in whether prosecutors, any of the other cases and led correct me if i m wrong? if they want to suggest that this impacts his release conditions from those indictments. now, again, i don t think that s likely, but i do think that we have seen jack smith raised concerns about his attacks on the fbi. judge cannon, in that case, the mar-a-lago documents case, did not agree with them. it s just something it s more grist to the prosecutors can point to but if he s not if there s not jail as a result of this. i mean, even if he s checking the probation officer, that would be pretty remarkable in the homestretch of the presidential campaign. yeah, have a curfew. i do sometimes and to have a geographic restriction, i mean, the conditions or probation chen can differ quite a bit, but i do want to make this point, even if judge merchan sentences trump to prison. and i think there s a decent chance he does. that sentence will almost certainly not be imposed until after appeals. and i assume that he is going to differ the sentence until after the appeal is ongoing and set aside. and then that likely gets us till after the election. and of course we know trump is going to appeal this. elie honig when mega man great to have you both to start off the show tonight, coming up here, trump s co-defendant in georgia smiles for his new mug shot in arizona here what rudy giuliani said after he just posted bail and arizona today. but first the helicopter pilot who flew hostages out of gaza is now speaking out as we are seeing new video showing that rescue happening. israel s ambassador to the united nations is here to weigh in the source. we ve kaitlan collins. he s brought to you by up devo plus your voice. find out more at up devo.com. if 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on daylight, we typically this kind of stuff seems to happen at night. it was interesting that it did happen and daylight when i was in combat truthfully, kaitlan, we did normal conventional operations in the daytime and nighttime was left mostly for the special operators to do these kind of hits within our area of operation. so to do this in daylight, is just phenomenal to me that takes even more training. but they had to get in there, they had to see the ground and they had to see the train that they were operating on. and what does that tell you about the hostages? notice they re being held and buildings and apartments we know some of them were told are being held in tunnels, but clearly some of them are being moved around and being held held in buildings, but held in palestinian homes where palestinians were aware that they were there this is the coercion that hamas has on the local residents of gaza. and it s right smack in the middle of a neighborhood. and in fact, a un relief agency building was nearby. we have seen this throughout the campaign that these kind of operations by the israeli defense forces are taking place in neighborhoods with mosque, with hospitals, with schools. all of it within the environment of the palestinian people. it s remarkable, general mark hertling great to have you here tonight. also, your tonight, israel s ambassador to the united nations go out or dawn great to have you back. i do know how the hostages are doing. what would ve israeli officials heard about them they said that they re doing well, obviously they need psychological treatment and other kinds of treatment to recover from what they ve endured. but thank god, there they re at home and they are with their families. and that s the most important thing this were four people who were rescued. this puts the total that israel has rescued of hostages since october 7. its seven people. and obviously, it s undeniable that this is a success for the families and that they are happy to see this but also the question is do you, are you worried that it jeopardizes a potential bigger hostage agreement with hamas to release them on the contrary, i don t think he jeopardizes the bigger hostage deal since we had the first deal, hamas refused every for was put on the table. there were own ready. today we re where we had the fourth security council resolution that passed, but we had three previous ones that were rejected by hamas calling for the release of the hostages so it s the only thing that can work is this combination of diplomacy applying international pressure on hamas that started only today with the resolution that passed in the security council. and using our military might. but you can t what israel has not been able to do is rescue all of them through these special ops operations that are happening. we just talked about the difficulty of it. you can see they is so i do think that s a real question tonight of what it means for for a hostage deal, for getting the rest of the hostages home i don t think we forget them. i mean, we we are willing to sacrifice. you saw we are losing when we paying the ultimate price are best soldiers or lose all right sacrificing their life to save the hostages. hamas does the opposite, but what other choice do we have as long as hamas refuses to every hostage deal, i mean, president biden said ambassador linda thomas-greenfield said, the resolution said that we accepted the new hostage deal we are accepting the outline that appeared in the resolution today. i want to ask you about what happened at the united nations today. but on this, israel s facing a lot of backlash internationally because of how many palestinians were killed as a result of this rate, how does israel justify how many fatalities? it s worth going in and conducting a raid like this in broad daylight when civilians were obviously out. sadly, sadly, you cannot interview here one of the hamas commanders because he s the right address to ask him this question. it s not us to justify. they re putting their own civilians in harm s way. what other choice do? we have? any country would do the same in order to release and rescue their hostages. and still, we don t know the real numbers of un-involved civilians. there were so many civilians. there that we re cooperating with hamas to keep, to keep the, you know, to keep the host the jezzine in apartments to report to hamas when our forces are getting closer and many times, we know that hamas is using civilians that are not affiliated with any terrorist organization, but still they are terrorists. so we cannot still use the terrorist numbers, as you said these are hamas numbers, figures 200 276, and we regret the loss of life. we always, when there s an opportunity and there s an option, we want this civilian population, we hope that they re not going to stay in harm s way, but you re not denying obviously innocent lives were also lost as a result are you soon i assume, yes. and i regret it and i it s a tragedy, but we cannot i mean, if we don t put the blame on hamas, we are helping and advancing their strategy because otherwise, other terrorists, we are going to use the same strategy in many other countries. if you can abduct innocent civilians and then hold them in civilians apartment and think that you have immunity. it s not going to work. we will never defeat terrorism. let s talk about what happened at the united nations today because you just mentioned in that security council the resolution that passed, it is the first time we ve seen something like this passed since october 7 happened in the eight months since the war happened, you are present for the vote today, but you didn t address the security council. why not? well, i thought that we don t want now to emphasize any differences. i know when sometimes when i speak, people are listening to me and they re listening to what they want to listen to so we preferred to lower the tone today as i said, we accept president biden s first of all, we respect him and we are grateful to all of his efforts and his administration efforts. we accept and we accepted the outline of the deal, but i have to admit we had our concerns about the way it will be interpreted by hamas. that s why we held an intimate dialogue with our american counterparts once our security concerns were addressed so we accepted the deal. you said you had concerns. this is a resolution calling for an immediate it s fire, ultimately a permanent one, and the release of all hostages. can you say tonight that israel unequivocally backs this resolution again, it depends on the interpretation because there s phase one, phase two, phase three, moving from phase one that caused, now for the release of the world on the than the women and the elderly that should be done by hamas. and then moving to phase two, that, then you get to the permanent end of hostilities, ceasefire. it needs to be it depends on upon an agreement that should must be achieved between the parties. one of our conditions this is not only the release of the hostages is also the future of gaza, and we cannot agree to hamas continuing to be the rulers of gaza because then gaza will continue to pose a threat against israel. but this still is israel s proposal. why can t netanyahu say right? he supports it well, i don t know what he said to secretary blinken today when they met. the fact that the fact that i wasn t instructed to speak out against the deal means that we accept the deal wouldn t it mean that you re supported. if you could come out and say you supported it. but i m i m saying here that we accept the deal. again, it s pretty much depends on the way it will be interpreted by the negotiators because hamas years let s say answer, you re saying we support it but you re not just saying unequivocally that israel does support it because the words are very important, because when it, when you say that, if the negotiations continues after six weeks, we need to continue with the ceasefire. so hamas can exploit this clause and continue with endless and me in, in glass negotiation, that means nothing. obviously that wasn t the meaning of president biden when he outlined his just to be clear, even if hamas comes out tomorrow and says yes, we accept this israel still wants to negotiate what it would actually look like to implement. all know, there s, if hamas accepts it and you listen carefully to what they said today. they said empty words, they welcome the resolution, but they still didn t say that they accept the deal. they know exactly what is the deal already? for sure they know the first phase, phase one, so they can say yes to phase one, we will see hopefully the release of the women, the elderly, the wounded. israel will hold its fire for six weeks and then there will be negotiations on moving to the second phase, which is the permanent ceasefire, but it depends on some conditions that needs to be negotiated. the resolution says that upon agreement between the two parties, the parties not only two parties there there will be other parties as well. we ll see what they what they say, ambassador gilad erdan, thank you for checking. ahead. rudy giuliani is latest mug shot after he just posted bail to de in arizona, but still spreading lies about the 2020 election. my next guest is worried about misinformation in this election, arizona s secretary of state will join us here with a new ai video that he created as a warning to voters the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president one stage two, very different vision genes for america s future. this cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max have heart failure with unresolved symptoms it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr cme a rare under-diagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you call your card pretty allergist and ask about attr cm, nine out of ten people don t get enough fiber. bennett fiber is the easy, gentle solution for every day. it s plant-based prebiotic fiber nourishes good bacteria in your gut, working with your body to promote digestive health with so many ways to enjoy benefit number is your fiber, your way? 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oh, my goodness. no. why not? i m very, very proud of it. there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history joining me now, arizona s secretary of state, adrian fanta and secretary, it s great to have you just for context for everyone, you are precisely the recorder and maricopa county. you are on the front lines of the election in 2020. so obviously you have great experience with what, what actually happened in the 2020 election. i just wonder what your responses to hearing rudy giuliani he say that he has no regrets about the efforts to try to overturn the election. there. well, first thanks for having me on and second, i stopped taking rudy giuliani seriously after the borat tape and so i m not going to countenance any of his lies further than they need to. he s been indicted and he isn t and it s an until proven guilty. and that s really what the process is that we re fighting for. we think the rule of law should be applied to every person regardless of their station and that s really, i think where it ends and i know you can t talk about the specifics of the case, but the other thing that he said there that caught my ear was he said that there was a tremendous amount of evidence and that there was an abundant amount of evidence. i mean, you oversaw the counting of the ballots and maricopa county, was there a tremendous tremendous amount of evidence of voter fraud from what you saw? well, i m glad you pointed that out because the 2020 election actually was the election where i was running for reelection and unfortunately the voters had a different opinion than i had and i ran the election. that was my own loss. and we know that the elections are solid in arizona. they always have been the people that run them have run them with honor and integrity for a long time. i can t say the same for folks who have been proven wrong over and over and over again. in every actual inquiry that has occurred. and so we re going to let the process play its way out and let the chips fall where they may, for these folks who have been accused. as you look ahead to 2024, you did something recently that is really remarkable. what you created this ai generated video of yourself, it looks like you, it sounds like you. i just want our audience to see this video that just as a reminder, is actually not real this is an impersonation of arizona secretary of state adrian fontes using generative ai. the video was created as part of the arizona election security and ai tabletop exercise for the media our goal is to make sure folks understand the capabilities of current deepfake technology and the dangers it poses to the public i mean, it s unsettling to see that, to hear that, to look at you right now in real life and i just wonder the fact that that can be so easily done, how much it concerns you about what election workers, election officials like yourself are up against. well, this is one of the reasons why we started engaging ai experts and training our own elections officials in arizona last december during a tabletop exercise, we want to make sure that our folks are as well prepared as possible that these things are not new to them. if and when they get used in malicious ways against them, or our voters. that is really what this is about being prepared for possibilities. we do all kinds of other preparations in election administration if we ve got delivery trucks, we ve got backups. if we have electrical systems, we ve got backup generators deployed this is part and parcel of the new reality in election administration and it would have been irresponsible of me as the chief election officer and arizona not to prepare my folks. it s just like when i was in the marine corps, you use the tactics and the weapons of the enemy to prepare yourself for the impending battle, hoping that that battle never comes secretary of state, adrian font says, thank you for joining us tonight thank you for having me. also tonight, we re tracking some vip stakes developments because one leading contender is revealing some of the questions that they are being asked by the trump team. including, have you ever committed a crime sirens are going off and the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die. and i thought that was it fallen earth with the liev schreiber sunday at nine on cnn her appointment and 30 minutes. okay one. remember, i don t want surgery from i do patreons contraction two, i don t want to wait for my contracture to get worse. three, i want to treatment with minimal downtime for i want to non-surgical treatment. goodbye. and five and if non non-surgical treatment is an auburn i ll get a second opinion let s go take charge of your treatment. if you can t lay your hand flat visit, find a hand specialist.com to get started that s rob. it s scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health central gives everybody a healthy foundations supporting your i m yours you did plus try centrum silver. now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. in the next 30 seconds, 250 couples will need to make room for a nursery. 26 people will go all this family. we ll get two bathrooms and finally, one vacation or we ll say yeah, i m going to live here that as a euphoria subsides, their realisation hits i can see the house don t worry, just sell and buy in one move when you start with open door. wow. oh yes start with an all cash offer at opendoor.com kevin bought the tape. i ll put it on my chase freedom unlimited car and i m a cashback on a few other things too dark with the sale system. all right. from deep step one more thing, the team hold it gets five minutes. gay cash, rows i like it. i ll break the clay back like a pro would chase freedom and limits. how do you catch? 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unclear to me, i still think it s remarkable less than the uncharted territory that we re in. you cannot work in the west wing. i could not have worked in the west wing if i d ever had a felony charge, yet, there s a very real chance we ll have a president overseeing the west wing who has 33 or 34 felony charges on him? yeah. that s a good point. i mean, what do you make of that question? have you ever lied, you know, kind of what this process is looking like for these potential confounders look, i go back to the voters. i think that voters actually care if there s this kind of history. and i think the criminal conviction that trump has had is going to matter. dad. i know there s some polling suggests otherwise right now, but i think it s going to matter in the end. so this actually is important because if, for example the process that they have says it doesn t matter if you ve lived are commit the crime. that s going to come back to hurt them if they say, oh, no, no, we must have a vice president who s never, ever committed a crime it kinda advertise is the problem with the top of the ticket. and i think one thing we can say for sure, top of the ticket dominates here in a way we ve rarely seen, vp is going to be so much marginalized compared to past races but this question kind of speaks volumes well and the question is also, does it affect the margins because that is going to be incredibly important in this election. and so when you, what i ve been talking to people and tell me what you ve heard as well. is that it seems like it s jd vance, doug burgum, and marco rubio who ve risen to the top of who s under consideration electorally speaking, who do you think would be the most beneficial to donald trump s ticket i haven t publicly stated any favorite. they come a strengths and weaknesses. i m sure if you come up with a list of seven or eight names they all bring their own positive electoral history and they have their positions on issues that might have more symmetry with a, an electorate. but that s ultimately up to the present to choose who he wants to be his running a bunch of races. you just read one here in new york. i mean, that is something that people take consideration. one for me, i think in 20241 of the best skills is going to be the ability to get into cities, to go talk to longtime democratic voters about issues that they care about. their are disenfranchised voters out there who aren t going to just come around and vote for your ticket? i ll be this saturday in detroit. i ll be speaking a few hours ahead of president trump. we saw president trump go into the south bronx. i found during my race for governor, as i was talking to asian voters and black motors and hispanic voters when you show up and you don t pander, you show up and actually talk to him about the quality of education in schools or crime, or mental health challenges, or homelessness and more on the issues there are these issues that transcend blind partisan loyalty. so ultimately if you haven t asked me what traits as far as getting out in campaigning and making a difference, i would say it s the interest, the willingness, the ability to get out, not just talk to republicans who may be already with you, but being able to win over the support of democrats, saying that you should be under consideration. you re going to say all right now i will nominate julie sure. that ll help my thoughts. the first to speak up for it has somewhat like good stuff in the cup the vp doesn t necessarily matter beyond what can you add that the top of the ticket doesn t donald trump need somebody who can be a monster fundraiser? he s lag joe biden. this cycle. he needs someone who can go and campaign independent of him. he is going to be tied up in courtrooms. he s gonna be busy who can go out turnout crowds, and reach voters who we maybe hasn t been able to. and then he wants most fiercely loyal to him. and this is the key thing. and you were somebody so you know this i know personally it s somebody who would not do what mike pence did on january 6. that s been a bit of aliveness test and some of these discussions, i think rubio and bergen make a lot but of sense i am kind of stunned though, that there s only really one woman and consideration and she s kinda considered the second tier considering that abortion is one of the top issues this cycle, trump s consistently been bleeding support with suburban women. and i think having a woman in contention would be a huge boom. i hear you, but i have to say, i think it s past that point for them yeah the first time in american history that a right has been taken away. the right to choice has been taken away by the supreme court. those people named by donald trump, having a woman as vp is not going to erase that. there s no way you can make that up. and i think the challenge here is none of these figures that are being talked about for vp are big enough. to really have an effect on the election. they re not going to win the swing voters over. i think this is a key thing. you just said, right? suburban women are going to determine this election right now, that s something that s gonna help joe biden in my opinion, and those swing states, who of these folks that donald trump is looking at for vp are possibly going to help to change that balance. i don t see any of them as decisive. trump has just two dominant and he has crossed the rubicon on issues related to women in such a profound way, vp is not going to say, do you believe any of those three names that could help with that? i mean, a marco rubio or any of those names that could potentially help with some of those voters are two seats. i think first the foremost, the most important trait we re talking about one quality a few minutes ago about winning an election november the most important trait is somebody who can fill the position of being president of united states and that really should be like the top three priorities of picking them. and there are talented people here. i mean, you mentioned doug burgum is a governor of a state and he was a wealthy the businessman and marco rubio is he s a good messenger and he speaks spanish and he can get out and communicate with a larger demographic. but if you go down the list, you jd jd vance, cia, he come comes on your show and you might ask him tough questions and he s ready for, and he ll give you tough answers and you re ready to go back to them and i think the audience likes to watch the back-and-forth there. there are talents by don t think anyone really is going to change the election as a vp of them are particularly presidential in my opinion, respectfully, and i can say democrats and republicans, i can say different or the same analysis for people in both parties these particular folks don t strike me as the person who s going to step in if they were ever called one dynamic though that i think i just want to finish. i just don t think it would be very interesting and valid. trump said, i m going to go for a really well-known, highly respected kind of crossover american figure, someone that people could see as their president. i don t think the people we re talking about here meet that standard. i just think that when you get to a vp debate and you get one shot right? there might be as few as one debates. one debate. and vice president kamala harris is onstage with that candidate, and you re talking about these issues related to the border or the economy, foreign policy and energy. and you re flushing qing out, not just your own positions as a candidate, but really the positions of your ticket and your party in a moment, there s someone there when mike pence arguably beat vice president commonly harrison. a debate in the next day, donald trump s stepped on the entire message at the end of the day donald trump s fatal flaw since he wanted 2016 is not being able to pivot to a general election. he s out there this week and talking about wind turbines and sharks and boats and sinking, not talking about issues voters, qarrah, always talking about rage and retribution. so you can have the best messenger out there. i think mike pence was arguably the best person he could have chosen navigated the trump dynamics in a way that wasn t better could i think i don t know that anyone s going to be able to bring him back to these independencies right? 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i think we are going to get a verdict tomorrow. i mean, it s not a complicated case. we only had four days worth of evidence. the jury certain lee knows what the issues are i don t think they have to spend more than tomorrow on this, but i think if they don t get a verdict tomorrow, you could be looking at a hung jury here because, like i said, the facts are not that complicated and the legal issues really aren t that complicated. and as we know, if it s a hung jury, they ll try to send them back in, like what we were speculating with the trump case as well. yeah. they would get an allen charge, which is a charge to tell them to continue to deliberate, but they ll also be cautioned not to give up their firmly held beliefs. so it s time for the sake of coming to a close. jurors light want to reach verdicts. they know they re supposed to reach a verdict, but sometimes they can and sometimes allen charge is working, sometimes they don t. i wonder what you thought because you re always we re always trying to get the minds of the jury. we don t know what they re actually thinking, but what do you think they took the prosecution s closing argument today not to pay attention to who is in the room. i mean, it was a pretty clear comment directed at the first lady jill. i mean to refer to people in the gallery are not evidence. i think that was the direct quote to refer to the first lady as people in the gallery. i think it could have been very off putting. you have to assume that the biden family and forget about what you think of joe biden, forget about what you think of hunter biden. i m sure jill biden enjoys a good reputation in the state of delaware. the rest of the biden family, it seemed like a little bit of a cheap shot. i think the prosecutors felt like they had to acknowledge what they perceived as the elephant in the room that you have the biden family there, but it wasn t inappropriate. they were all close family members, right? it s not like, you brought in political allies or people that you wouldn t normally expect, people you wouldn t have thanksgiving with? yeah. if you were the attorney representing hunter biden here, would you have sent the family million? oh, absolutely. i would have had the family that interestingly, i think i would have considered bringing the president there just for the summations now, you can t bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn t he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that s interesting. so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i m sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he s there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he s not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he s not there as the president of the united states he s there as the father of hunter biden? yeah. i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it s it s not great, but you can t read too much into that. yeah. we re not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to
weeks. the israelis want a campaign. with lebanon even with yemen, we have seen the increased tensions. deploying troops and naval forces. none of that will stop until there is a cease-fire in gaza. s almost there is a line drawn, diplomacy on any of these friends continue. the biden administration s credit has been cleared. they don t want to see a war but it is not up to them as we have seen with the israelis on the hostage cease-fire deal as well. so i think the risk is extremely high. and lebanon is the war of another magnitude. thank you so much. . there is a lot going on tonight. the former president of the united states and presumptive republican nominee had a meeting with the probation officer today, which i guess is the sort of thing we just have to get use to seeing these days. we will talk about what may have come up during the meeting and how it could impact his sentencing coming up in a month. pennsylvania governor josh schapiro was going to join me to talk about one of the biggest political questions of the moment. how should joe biden and democrats be talking about trump s conviction and how much? we will start with the supreme court. in a mountain of ethics scandals that just got bigger, and just get bigger because of a woman named lauren winsor. in case you don t know who she is, she is a progressive activist known to approach her public and figures and pretend she is an ally, statements and then record her targets making candid comments. comments recorded by lauren winsor at the supreme court historical society s annual dinner earlier this month, the supreme court justice samuel alito offered his assessment of the political and ideological struggle in america. i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it is a matter of, like, winning. i think your probably right. on one side of the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but it s difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. so it s not like you can split the difference. one side or the other is going to win. now heard in a vacuum by someone, those comments may not seem particularly striking. but remember samuel alito is one of nine justices on the supreme court. the highest court in our country. it is supposed to conduct itself with utmost fairness and impartiality in interpreting our constitution and adjudicating the laws. and one of the justices, samuel alito, you just heard him, as telling a stranger at a crowded event, that he believes that one political side is going to win. that there is no place for compromised. and for anyone who has followed samuel alito s time on the court, there is no secret to what side the justice firm and thinks he is on. look at the past few weeks. he has refused to recuse himself from a generous six case in the trump immunity case sitting before the court currently. even after reports that his homes displayed flights with right wing political symbolism including an upside down american flag in the days after january 6th. samuel alito, who built a reputation over the course of years, has been tough on crime and generally unser but that it to criminal defendants and also has a newfound empathy for generally six defendants of all people and donald trump. during or go arguments in two cases. take for example, the case of a january 6th defendant. sim allele used costumes the justice department to question people in the capital attack. he suggested that if the court does not intervene, prosecutors could seek to use it against people involved in these will demonstrations like those that take place in a courtroom from time to time. but the protest is clearly not at all same as people are smashing windows and doors to invade the capital and causing members of congress and the republican vice president of the united states to flee for their lives. in the face of multiple ethics scandals, we have been talking about involving undisclosed gifts from her publican mega- donors to members of the supreme court, samuel alito has been unapologetic telling the wall street journal late last year that the quote no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court period. look, fairness and impartiality in both appearance and action are the principles judges are supposed to follow. especially in the highest court of the land. and at least at some point, samuel alito knew that. take a listen to an answer from his confirmation hearing back in 2006. to believe there is any room for a judge s own value or personal beliefs when he or she interprets the constitution? judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution. and for that matter, into the interpretation of statutes. that is not the job we are given. that is not the authority we are given. that is not the authority we are given. it is not the job we are given. alito knows or at least knew then what his job entailed. and despite all the actions and statements, he also apparently can t stand those who claim he is not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. but saying or implying that the court is becoming an illegitimate institution or questioning our integrity cross is an important line. see, justice alito wants to be revered as an impartial judge. just call balls and strikes as they are supposed to. but as this new tape and his time on the bench have shown, especially over the last several weeks and months, he is actually more of a player, actively engaged in one side s struggle to win. so is giving us every reason to expect this from him, given all the actions. it also doesn t mean it is something we should or need to accept. this is the former president of the naacp legal defense fund and joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking. but as i listen to these tapes today, i wanted to know, what is share anable thinking. we talk to a becoming two things. how big of a deal is this? i think it s a big deal. i think it s a big deal in the cumulative sense and as you point out in your opening, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air that is surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen all these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision. we heard him in very similar ways. what is it that is disturbing about this particular excerpt of the conversation? i think there are two things. one, i think is the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who he did know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it is when she said that we have to work to move this country back toward godliness. and he said, i agree with you. to me, that is just a very shocking statement. i don t think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest that he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and that we need to return to some period in which things were more moral pick and he was agreeing with her. i don t know what period they were referring to. were they referring to a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk about keeping black people out of schools? what was the time period? i think the reason this is important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard. and justice alito refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. said it is because a reasonable person, knowing all the facts of that is what he said about the flight controversy. but when we probe, we realize we don t know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily that accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave us a timeline that is not up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice was not impartial and that is the standard for recusal. but we will never get there unless parties actually file motions to recuse and that is i am hoping that this will show the united states, which is the party and the trump privilege case and others, that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal practice and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices we are not going to get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they won t do it. we need to get really serious. and of course we need hearing from the senate judiciary committee so we can get to the bottom of this. it is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming. and it is not a legitimate question the legitimacy of the court we have had this barrage of across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. one of the things that was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. what he blames it on. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today. he said this in 2023. and then talk to you about it on the other side. it is easy to blame the media. but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. it is pretty rich, given his actions in his own words. it is not the first time he blame somebody else. his wife. everyone attacking him. what is that about? you were talking about accountability. people watching, what should they be doing if they are just outraged about this as well? i find this just really mortifying. and embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas as well when he talks about the nastiness in washington d.c. and we hear it with alito. it is the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no, it is the supreme court that eroded trust in the supreme court. in this kind of teenage refusal to take responsibility for their own actions is really incredibly alarming and disturbing and i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running in institution and something extraordinary happens and like what happened in the dobbs case, which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, and a decision was leaked out to the public, i wouldn t just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what i created or what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect. to look at themselves. why do you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? we know they are appropriate because he is making them now that he has been found out. this has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. in fact, the media has often been quite kind to the supreme court including around this flag issue which we had not heard about until three years late. it is not the media. these justices have to grow up and stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their own actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in here and when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much more weak than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. so we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court appeared to be honest with you, i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules that they have to follow. and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court and they should do so. we cannot blame this just on the justices. we can t blame it on trump. we can t blame it on anything else but our believes that norms were enough. they are not enough as we are learning across the united states government and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of our nation s highest court. a lot of homework, including for chief justice roberts. thank you as always for joining me this evening. really appreciate it. coming up, governor josh shapiro joins me live to talk about donald trump s promises of revenge. first, the nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it could affect his sentencing. christie greenberg is a former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me in 60 seconds. seconds. let s get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. today, donald trump met with the probation officer had of his sentencing for his 34 felony convictions in new york city. and the biden campaign cochair reminded me yesterday that this is one of those times where we need to pause and reflect on the extraordinary moment we are in. can we just stop on that fact. i will talk about the debate and a second. a guy that wants to be president of the united states first test to go sit down with his probation officer. that is just an astounding statement that sometimes people walk by. i don t think most americans are going to walk by that. he is completely right. we cannot just breeze by this stuff. trump s probation interview today happened virtually from mar-a-lago which is not typical. these meetings typically happen in person. but he is not a typical person who was just convicted either. but the interview itself is standard procedure for anyone convicted of a felony in new york. and one standard question trump may have been asked is whether he associates with criminals. you know, other convicted felons like steve bannon and oliver stone and his other buddies. we should not forget how extraordinary this moment is. kristi greenberg is the former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me now. thank you so much. you tweeted today. i will start there. that trump would try to convince the probation officer not to recommend a jail sentence. but you said probation should reject the argument. how does that conversation exactly go down during one of these meetings? i think what you probably saw this was just 30 minutes. a short interview. you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to try to highlight positive aspects of donald trump s character that they think or mitigating circumstances and things that they think will show he is amenable to supervision. so they will say, look, this criminal conduct which he denies, there is no victim here. but they need to look closer. we are victims. the american people are victims, not getting information that he was paying off a pornography start to make sure she didn t share that could have affected the election outcome. other things i think he will focus on are, i was the former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and you should take that into account. but it is also aggravating in the circumstance because he committed some of this crime like signing the checks to reimburse michael cohen right in the oval office. you could argue that. and he will point to the fact that he is a first-time offender. you know who else is a first- time offender? michael cohen, and he got sentenced to jail for the same conduct. allen weisselberg is essentially the same old one year apart. a lot of the factors that i expect todd blanche tried to highlight today in his interview, really it is going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the fact that the trial record shows all the gag order violations and to show he is not following the court orders and he certainly won t follow the orders of probation. a lot of things to argue. i wanted to ask you, i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning during one of these probation meetings. whether or not the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who happen to fall into that category. i presume he is going to say no. i don t know what he said but what happens if he does associate with convicted criminals? are there repercussions? there are. there if he were sentenced to probation, there would be conditions to that probation term. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. and so, steve bannon for example, is somebody that was convicted for criminal contempt charge and it has a trial that will start in a few months before the judge on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, someone who he has not pardoned because he is pardoned a number of his other criminal associates, for someone he is not pardoned, i would think he would not be able to associate. these are people that like we are involved with his campaign and that he would want to associate with. so we figure he will try to do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. quite a time to be alive, kristi greenberg. thank you for explaining this to us. that is always helping us to understand. i appreciate it. donald trump is not going to be able to append democracy on his own. he will need help. and a lot of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff and who has chilling plans for a second term. later, governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about all the ways the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. we are back after a quick break. so i can feel and see that my lines have gotten deeper just from a year out in the sun. i m still marie and i got botox® cosmetic. i did not want a dramatic change. i wanted something subtle. and i m really, really happy with the results. it s still me, but with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow s feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. they say we should stop eating so much meat. as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. so we made meat out of plants. because we aren t quitters. impossible. we re solving the meat problem with more meat. i bought the team! kevin.? 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every d.a. starting investigations right now? when donald trump gets elected, should he lock them up? no question. should there be a list of democrats that go to jail? 100%. it is a terrible path they are leading us to. and it is very possible that it is going to have to happen to them. in that description, as you just heard, it is all about karma. it is an eye for an eye. fighting fire with fire. that is the story they are telling over and over again. and it is one that far too many headliners are running with. as a near public had, in the media, the story tends to be framed as follows. will trump seek revenge for his legal travails or won t he? . it implies that he is bound to do to democrats what was done to him. you see, obviously, there is a big difference between what happens to trump and what he is promising to do to democrats or anybody who he is mad at. despite with the former president and his allies claim, trump was legitimately investigated, indicted, tried and convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers. 12 everyday americans. there was a legal basis and evidence for all of it. all presented during a six-week trial. not trying to hold people accountable for actual wrongdoing but reshape the american justice system and make it a political tool to go after democrats or anyone who has done trump wrong. political prosecutions were a major goal for the maga movement long before trump got indicted or convicted. i was reminded of this this week in. the washington post published an incredibly eye popping piece on the influential figure in trump s orbit that you might not be familiar with. for what it is worth, i had never heard of him either. the former director of the office of management and budget. and his name is russ vote. according to the piece, he is a potential chief of staff for a second trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist to crafted parts of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch a trump presidency. then back in september of 2022, before trump got indicted or enter the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying that the left to drive america into a post- constitutional moment. saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to throw off precedents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last 200 years. and their place according to the post, he laid out plans for donald trump to deploy the military for civil unrest and use more control over the justice department and assert the power to hold congressional appropriations. that is just on trump s first day back in office. let s pause on that. is not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wants to reshape the system for the purpose of punishing trump s perceived enemies. last year, he told the heritage foundation crowd that the department of justice is not an independent agency. and if anyone brings up in a policy meeting in the white house, i want them out of the meeting. here s the larger picture. outside of the week to week news cycle and the latest republican reactions, the republican line of fight fire with fire that you hear over and over again is really just cover. framing a plan to overhaul the justice system and executive branch at large. and by the way, this plan completely predates trump s convictions and indictments and what he had in mind all along. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro is standing by and join say next. we are back after a quick break. join cken, cr ies all wrapped up these wrapare amaz people can hear my thoughts? 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there is a trial and a jury finds someone innocent or guilty? or do we prefer a country where he president uses the justice department as his personal law firm? are we okay with the current system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws? or do we prefer a country where the president can just prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them? the election will be about a lot of things no question. but that is definitely one of them. joining me now is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. he was previously the state s attorney general. i m grateful you are here with me. i want to start with what i laid out in the earlier block. basically, this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing what they are telling supporters. simply fighting fire with fire. you are doing something with our guy and we are going to go back to you. but to me, when you look at the specifics of the plan, it feels like it is not exactly the right description. it is not just revenge but a plan in my view to reshape the system and go after their enemies. and last week, you said something that really struck me. you said i m scared to death if he is in charge with the system. is a strong statement. i want to see what you anticipate or expect. what worries you about what could happen to the system? i m deeply concerned by the system. it is why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge of the justice system or back in charge of the military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. kind of a cut and paste job, if you will. and a room with us well from my time as attorney general. he complains. he bemoans the fact that he lost and he makes up excuses and tries to pipit away from personal responsibility. remember, i was attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his cronies and allies took us to court 43 different times to try to stop certain people from voting and stop the votes from being cast. by the way, he went 0-43. we went 43-0 unprotected the rule of law and the will of the people. and now donald trump wants to come back. as he said, exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that that should scare all americans. it is another example of the kind of chaos he would inflict on the country if he was given the opportunity to lead this nation. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law and respects the institutions. donald trump has tried to undermine our faith in one another and our faith in the institutions. we didn t let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope and pray we won t let him get away with it in 2024. i will be doing everything in my political power here in pennsylvania to ensure he is not successful and the institutions stand and hold. let me ask you about something you just alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think people hear that and they think it is the reshuffling of the government and what does it actually mean? i talked about this influential figure apparently and trump residence world. and could end of being his chief of staff of for trump was reelected. who knows? this is a man who openly says he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i just want to ask you, what is the danger of that quick sometimes i think it feels like just bureaucracy in washington but it is much more than that. it is a lot more than bureaucracy. dangerous if he controls a bureaucracy as well. think about the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who didn t do anything wrong but are just his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with the products they are selling or the manner in which they are conducting themselves and to use the justice department to strip away people s liberties, rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts and essentially just have his way with good people of this nation. and it should scare the hell out of everybody. remember in 2016 ever donald trump won and then took office in 2017, he and most people around him did not know what the hell they were doing and there were still a few people around him that provided some guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people that might provide the guardrails are gone and a lot of the dangerous people around him know how the bureaucracy works. they know how the justice system works. they know how the military works. and if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again with those people around him, who want to do danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that is not the kind of chaos we want in this country. it is such an important point. it is the people that know how to manipulate and it is also the plans being written. a lot of the more online. keeping with the legal discussion here, i want to ask about the supreme court. at the top of the hour, we talked about the supreme court and specifically, justice samuel alito. and this audio come he agreed there should be a fight to return our country to a place of godliness. this comes after the reporting of a flag outside of his house that has been a symbol associated with january 6th and serious ethical scandals around justice thomas and a lot of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i just want to ask you, what is the solution here? remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away woman s right to choose. in order to make my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today then they were born with. so this is purposeful on donald trump residence part, to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people that have their own agendas. and justice alito, samuel alito, is showing his agenda by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. do you really want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito as opposed to the court or more clarence thomas is to the court. you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? remember that justice thomas wrote that abortion is just the beginning. the very fundamental reasoning or foundation or reasoning they used to overturn roe v wade could be applied in other ways. it could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love or undermine your ability to be able to go out and take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i really fear that this was just the beginning. and if donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again and put more of those kinds of justices on the court, it will not only set us back for four years but it will set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in the selection. and while donald trump and joe biden s names are on the ballot, this is a binary choice. and don t let anybody tell you anything else. there a bunch of randoms on the ballot that have no chance of winning. this is a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden. it is not about those two. it is the kind of country want for ourselves. it is whether we value freedom and care about our institutions and whether we believe we have to move forward to brighter days or whether we will go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and a reflection on all of us. and we have a responsibility to turn out and to get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we have seen on the supreme court and in the white house with donald trump and instead stand up for freedom and for fundamental values as americans and continue to move our country forward. before we let you go, i have to ask you about pennsylvania. you know the politics of your state. you know them extremely well. we have seen it. it has not been that long since the convictions. we have seen a little bit of impact in the polls. there are a lot of things that will be on the ballot and on voter mines. as you are talking to voters and knowing your state as you do, you think trump s conviction will be something that helps people to decide who are on the fence at this state? i don t know how that conviction will ultimately play out. i know the people of pennsylvania, they care a lot about four basic things. they want good schools. they want safe communities. they want economic opportunities. and they want their freedoms to be protected. i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who actually is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country and i think donald trump has to quit whining. quit trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than anyone before the in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than any other time in our nation s history. i have a message to donald trump and all of his negativity and whining, stop shit talking america. this is the greatest country on earth and it is time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. they understand we have a lot going for us. and we have time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. and not listen to the whining of the former president and instead, focus on a positive future for all of us. quit your whining. it is a good message. thank you so much governor schapiro. i always enjoy talking to you. i appreciate it. we will be right back after a quick b break. ack it himmune fight cancer in 2 different ways. opdivo and yervoy can cause your immune system to harm healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. these problems can be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have a cough; chest pain; shortness of breath; irregular heartbeat; diarrhea; constipation; severe stomach pain; severe nausea or vomiting; dizziness; fainting; eye problems; extreme tiredness; changes in appetite, thirst or urine; rash; itching; confusion; memory problems; muscle pain or weakness; joint pain; flushing; or fever. these are not all the possible side effects. problems can occur together and more often when opdivo is used with yervoy. tell your doctor about all medical conditions including immune or nervous system problems, if you ve had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, or received chest radiation. your search for 2 immunotherapies starts here. ask your doctor about opdivo plus yervoy. a chance to live longer. first, we did the impossible. then, you ate so many of the impossible that we completely ran out. and now. they re backk! the footlong cookie is back at subway! organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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( ) and enxtra for focus and clarity. centrum, powered by clinically studied ingredients. we don t even know yet how any americans will be moved by donald trump s conviction when it is said and done. it is only a couple weeks old. but there early signs that the verdict may be swaying some former trump voters. here s what we heard from some trump voters in a focus group. if they violate the law, then they should be subject to exactly the same rules that all of us are expected to abide to. pay the penalty for the crime. we all know what is going to happen. they will negotiate and he is not going to serve any time. but he will get more time on television. just to underscore, those are a couple of two time trump voters that are essentially saying, lock him up. the publisher of the executive accountability project and conducted the focus group he just heard. dan pfeiffer is the former communications director for barack obama. they are both joining me now. we only played one clip of your great focus groups but that was the two time trump voters that want trump to be held accountable it sounds like. did you get this sense, because the big leap here is the one who to be held accountable, but are they just turned off by trump? or the whale will they just vote for biden instead? or do we know that by your conversations? in this particular group, five out of nine of them, trump voters, five of them were going to vote for biden. i think there are a lot of people that think, somebody that voted for donald trump twice, it seems like a long shot to get them to vote for biden. but i think it is important to understand that for a section of voters who kind of held their nose and voted for donald trump twice and then saw what happened on january 6th, saw donald trump s claims and lies about the election, they were already pretty that was sort of a red line for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from and i hear this a lot from a two time trump voters who were upset. saying, i m not going to leave it blank. it got them to a place where they said, this guy is totally unfit to be in the white house. i will vote for biden, not because i want to vote for biden and not because i want to vote for a democrat but because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection, especially with the swing voters or the right. for them, you are not building it pro joe biden coalition but an anti-trump coalition. and as donald trump gets back into people s consciousness which is a lot of what is happening with the conviction, people are remembering, yeah, i don t like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters were before, they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they don t like about trump. it is so interesting to watch the focus groups and listen to you talk about them. you know well and i know well that they are big moments in campaigns. we have also seen the campaign sharpening rhetoric around the convictions. and there is a difference between what the campaign says and what michael tyler is saying and what the candidates say. when you look at the debate coming up, is a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to the voters and to base voters. what is the right framing of language? the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. and you also don t get in a situation where you would just call him a convicted felon as many times as possible and try to win on points. the conviction is the critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus group say we should be telling about trump which is that he is in this for himself. is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy to help himself and his rich friends and to bring revenge to his enemies. it was that exact attitude, that me first attitude, that got him in this trouble to begin with. you have to take the conviction. this moment that actually caused people to brave out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention to this race and then use that to tell the more broad story. you can do that in a debate over and over again and do it in a disciplined, calm falls way that is not allowed trump to drag you down into the mud. that makes a huge amount of sense to me. i wanted to ask you a similar version of the story. there are a couple of audiences biden has to appeal to. of these people you talk to and focus groups, is there anything president biden could say about the convictions that would turn them off? is there anything that is a trigger for them about it? when it comes to the swing voters, it is not just what he says but how he says it. for them, they want to see that joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. because this is where trump kind of wins often times. he has big lunatic energy that make him seem just more vivacious or more aggressive. and sometimes when he listened to voters, they get into kind of a strong framing where they are like, trump is bad but strong and biden is okay but weak. biden has to show strength. i agree with dan. you can t just say conviction over and over again. but he does have to go on offense. in fact, the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show that he is ready to go. i think it is not just the name- calling of convicted felons but being able to say, this man is unfit and i m good to go. and you have to show that and not just tell it. state of the union energy. it is about the vibes i m hearing. i wanted to ask you about you encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should find it and subscribe to it. we will talk about it next time. thank you both for joining me. we will be right back after a quick break. don t go anywhere! dangerous ladders. gutter muck. yuck. no wonder you hate cleaning your gutters. good thing there s leaffilter. our patented filter technology keeps leaves and debris out of your gutters forever. guaranteed. call 833- leaffilter to get started. and get the permanent gutter solution that ends clogs for good. they took the time to answer all of our questions. they really put us at ease. end clogged gutters for good. call 833.leaf.filter, or visit leaffilter.com today. with fastsigns, create striking custom visuals that inspire pride district-wide. fastsigns. make your statement. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you d like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga when we say it ll be on time, they expect it to be on time. turn shipping to your advantage. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways
just for the summations now, you can t bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn t he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that s interesting. so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i m sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he s there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he s not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he s not there as the president of the united states he s there as the father of hunter biden? yeah. i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it s it s not great, but you can t read too much into that. yeah. we re not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to monitor all the news here at cnn, seen a news night with abby phillip starts right now the donald trump, his rally diehards that s tonight on these good evening. i m abby phillip in new york, another american first, the convicted former president who is now running to oversee the country. again just met with his probation officer in just moments i ll speak with abc news anchor and former clinton white house insider george steph monopolists will get some unique insights into what a second trump term may look like but first, a play-by-play of what donald trump said in las vegas let s set the scene for you. the heat spiral 200 degrees. six people were sent to the hospital two dozen others were treated at the scene call it the heat or donald trump feeling hot under the collar. but the content of this rally vero wildly into topic after topic. now, some that actually might matter to you the voter, and others that matter to donald trump. and maybe no one else. so here is an incomplete sampling of what you heard. if you happen to have stood in that rally and sweated through all of it starting with a joke about voters i don t want anybody going on me. we need every voter. i don t care about you. i just want your vote. i don t care these are the range that dumb guy is that dumb son of a he s a corrupt, very dumb person. he s a low iq individual, is just something missing and there always has been this guy just hit enter, it goes to the beach the time somebody thinks it looks good in a bathing said, i don t think so and he has that little chair that weighs about like seven ounces. it s been so children can lift it and very old people can lifted. and you know what he s not old he s incompetent. it s weak, it s in ineffective, it s both. what he signed they re totally destroying our black population. they re totally destroying are hispanic population. i pay all this money to teleprompter people and i d say 20% of the time, they don t work. i don t pay contractors that do a job and that s a job that s a job you can t read all right what would happen if the boat sank from his weight and you re in the boat and you have this tremendously powerful battery. and the battery is now under the water. and there s a shark that s approximately ten yards over there by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately did notice that those j6 warriors, they were worries, but they were really more than anything else. they are victims of what happened. all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that s what they were doing. and then the police say go and go in, go in water, set-up. that was what a horrible, horrible thing. and you know, that blows two ways. if we win nevada we win the whole thing. i hope the military revolt set the voting booth and just says we re not going to take it. he should take a drug test because i m willing to take 20 me now is george stuff annapolis, abc news anchor he is a veteran of the clinton white house, and he s also the author of a brand new book, the situation room, the inside story of presidents in crisis. george, it s great to have you on in this book it chronically on avy, it critical six decades of crisis management from the situation room a place that you know well from your time in the white house, one of the interesting things is also these interviews with officers who were in the situation room on january 6. this is at a time now when trump is actively running to be back in the white house, and fundamentally change how the government works, how the so-called deep state works. did you hear any concerns from these duty officers about what a second trump term would mean for the kind of continuity that the national security apparatus has relied on for all these years. absolutely i mean, duty officers and others who served in the trump administration worried that the institutions would crumble. i spoke with them. wait us situation duty officer named mike stigler, who is actually on-point on january 6, and he said people have to understand how close we came to losing the vice president at the time. and he was horrified by this also horrified by the fact that he and his fellow officers in the situation room that they had to start implementing the continuity of government procedures which were designed to make sure that the government survives a nuclear attack. they were put into place on that day because of the threat to our institutions on that day as one of course, president trump famously never called down the situation room even once all during january 6. and you know, you talk about it s not just how close we came to watching our institutions crumble that day the ongoing threat is real. i mean, look at what happened just saturday night in las vegas when the president, former president uk, called the january convicted felons from january 6, those who rioted on january 6 and tried to block the peaceful transfer our he called them warriors who are somehow set up by the police. he s called them hostages. he s called them patriots. he s promising to pardon them. he s not promising to divide by the results of the next election. so this, this pass thread is very real right now have you ever seen, i mean, in your research and your time in government anyone run for office, really running against the very government that they are supposed to be? overseeing absolutely unprecedented abbe absolutely unprecedented. we have never had a former president or a presidential candidate who refuses to accept the peaceful transfer of power, who refused to say but he will buy by the constitution who s been indicted. and impeached for trying to block the peaceful transfer of power that is something that is absolutely fundamental to our democracy is one of the things that s made our democracy work for over 200 years. the idea the simple fact that the former president continues to lie about the, about the last election that he did, whatever he could on that data block, the peaceful transfer of power is absolutely unprecedented in all of our history and you, on your show on this week, you ve had some of these trump vp short listers on there some of the other hosts of this week have also had them on. i want to just play a little bit of what they ve been saying on television of late i think there were problems in 2020. yes, i do. do i think it was a problem that big technology companies working with the intelligence services sensor, the presidential campaign of donald trump? yes governors, governor you, you have said the election should wasn t stolen and you re supporting someone who says it was well, i know that we ve got certainly we ve got irregularities do you get the sense that this is one of the requirements to be on that shortlist you don t get the sense it s out there is plain as day. i actually talked to senator jd vance who is reportedly on the shortlist. as well. and every indication he gave was that he would do the same thing that mike pence, that he would not do what mike pence did in 2000 i mean, it s certainly seems to have become a requirement for those who are running to accept president trump s lie. former president trump s lie about the last election to suggest that he did nothing wrong. now on january 6, to say that somehow that is not an important issue at this point. and to suggest that it was actually vice president pence who did the wrong thing in 2020 i mean, this is just again, this is astonishing. we ve never really had a former prison isn t it run before? whose own vice president refuses to endorse him because of the actions he took on those days. yeah. yeah. i mean, that alone has says maybe it says it all as a journalist, when you have these potential vp, a candidates on the show, you ve had them on, we ve had them on the show here. they rarely, if ever for concede ground this seems to be also another litmus test for how to be in maga world. i mean, is this the new reality for this this maga era of politicians that they don t back down when they re confronted with fats perhaps it is, but i think that s, that poses a test for all of us in journalism as well. i ve made it a point if they will not accept those facts, i don t go on to other issues. i m not going to go to participate in some kind of a sham where you somehow equate the legitimacy of an election or the peaceful transfer of power with a debate over tax cuts or environmental regulation. if you can t pass that fundamental threshold of saying yes, the last election was not stolen two, i will abide by the results of the next election then i think that s all voters and viewers need to know. i don t think if you re willing to lie about something as big as that, why should anything else they want to talk about be given any credence it s such an important point. i mean, we ve got a vice presidential debate coming up right here on cnn. i later this month as a journal phyllis does american what do you think is the most important question that needs to be answered from both candidates who won the last election yeah, very simple. yeah. and won the last election. let s just let s let s discuss and debate. and we ll see, i mean, luck, week. it s been asked by donald trump. he refuses to answer it correctly, but we ll see what he does when he s given that opportunity in front of 140 million people it says it s a little bit different than on a stage like that. yeah, i when it s an actual debate, but that s it s a real test. i do want to play a little bit of what the vice president kamala harris has been saying, actually, on this very point, i mean, she seems to really be taking this issue on head-on. donald. trump openly tried to overturn the last election and now he openly attacks the foundations of our justice system. cheaters don t like getting caught it s a different tone than we ve seen from harb, but it also speaks to that question that you just raised if trump doesn t pass the truth test on that issue, is there room for the biden administration to even move on to some of the other stuff, maybe the bread and butter issues, maybe the economy do you think that they are? settling on this idea of a character test for donald trump on this issue. president president kennedy, i have to do it all, but i mean, i think that is the threshold question of this election. certainly the biden campaign is going to have to address voters concerns about the economy, voters concerns that inflation, those are important as well, but it it is fundamental, as i said, at the start part the very question of whether or not you accept election results, whether you accept the peaceful transfer of power, that is an absolutely fundamental issue that people should be confirmed runaway as they go to make their choice in november when it comes to the potential of a trump administration. i mean, what do you think his conduct on january 6 tells you about what he might do next? not just around the election, but just in general he s saying what he would do next. he says that every single day he says he would pardon what he calls the january 6 hostages. he s talked about retribution using his justice department as an as an arm of retribution. he s talked openly about dropping the prosecutions against themselves. that s an active obstruction of justice in and of itself. it s no secret when president trump says he wants to do something, we should take a minute as word george steph, novelist. thank you very much. again, george s book, the situation room is out right now next breaking news about trump s legal issues here. what happened inside of his meeting with eight probation officer ahead of his sentencing? thanks. plus one of trump s allies gets a new mug shot. will discuss with rudy giuliani is biographer and the former president says 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where the similarities stop. at the differences get real. trump got to have his lawyer, todd blanche in the room, a special accommodation not afforded then to the average defendant and it s one of the few notable examples of how the legal system really bent over backwards for trump, where it would not have for others, ten contempt violations normally merit more than just a fine. nobel restrictions for a defendant of his means. also, an anomaly carefully choreographed search of his home to spare them from having cameras capture agents of the lawn of the law wearing fbi jackets. that s a nicety really given to no one else joining me now are robert gray who was counseled to then president trump during is first impeachment. and dante mills, he s a civil and criminal attorney and a law professor at temple this leaves school of law, dante, this probation hearing lasted about 30 minutes. we re told what kind of information are they trying to get from trump. let s just walk through. everybody understands the purpose of this and why they do it most times, judges don t know the defendant these trials happen. normally their day or two. the judge doesn t get to know the person they re going to have to sentence. so what you do is you have an investigating officer come in, ask questions about the person s background, get an understanding of who they are, where they come from, who their family is, what kind to jobs they have. and then they present a report to the judge who says, based on this report it s going to influence my decision one way or the other, or it won t because it s pretty standard so it happens to everybody, but we do it to a former president of the united states. everybody knows who he is already. so it s not necessary. i don t think in this case, but you have to go through the process of why why have his lawyer present? i mean what s the concern there are the on trump s part. i don t know so about new york state practice, but i will say in federal practice is actually typical to have a lawyer present during the pre-sentence interview. in fact, it s almost always ordered by the judge upon request of the defense. them from saying anything that might hurt them. right. particular well, not so much that but particularly in a case that goes to trial where the defendant has an appeal. i think the concern always is to not talk about the quote, unquote, instant offense, meaning the offense of conviction because you might say something there that potentially could jeopardize. and i think everything else. and so that s why the lawyer often the lawyer is there to just simply she and i ve done hundreds of these essentially two let me handle the discussions as your lawyer with the probation officer about the offensive fine line between wanting your client to be forthcoming and not be obstructive against the person trying to get information, but also not crossing the line is saying, but i did this or slipping up is saying something that can be used against them, being obstructive to the person trying to get information is definitely something i would be worried about with trump. i mean, just in general that judge merchan is going to weigh who is donald trump, which everybody knows to a certain degree, but also the lack of remorse here, frankly, in this case, i mean, ultimately, how does that all come together to influence the judge s decision and sentence? i think the judge knows what he s going to do, but he ll get this regard. i think he s already made up his mind, but he ll get this report and he ll see what s in this report and he may use that to justify something if he wants to put trump in jail, he ll say well, trump wasn t forthcoming. look at this report. he didn t even provide this information if he wants to give them probation, he ll say, well trump was he was cooperating with this investigator. so this is a sign that he s learned his lesson and we don t need to put them in jail. i think this will be used to bolster whatever sayyed the judge wants to lean on. you think the judge is already setup, set his mind to some decision here you know, i honestly don t. i think that obviously all judges have views about a case, particularly when they ve sat through a trial about what they might do in the event of a conviction at sentencing. but i do think the judges take very seriously, both in guilty plea cases as well as cases that go to trial and result in a conviction in evaluating a third parties let s review which is the probation office of the defendant s personal characteristics and history and the investigation that they conduct. they re very good at it. i have found judges don t always agree. they don t have to agree with what they re probation office recommends, but i imagine the probation office will recommend whether or not in this e felony case a sentence of imprisonment is warranted or not. generally, i would say that in this particular case, i don t know if we re going to find any or learn anything new about the former president trump that we don t. and the judge doesn t know are ready, so i do want to move on just briefly to what s happening down in florida with judge aileen cannon i mean, she s got a lot of emotions to deal with. she dealt with one issue today hey well, one-and-a-half let s call it that one of them was whether or not to throw out some of the counts against donald trump sheet ruled against that, but she did say that this so-called talking indictment in which the prosecutors laid out this description of trump s handling of classified map and how he talked to somebody and his camp payne about it. she basically said that was unnecessary and she struck it from the indictment what do you make of that? it is something that judges, federal judges increasingly, i have seen as a defense lawyer have problems with i mean, they they don t try to trim the sales of the government too often about speaking indictments but they do expect that speaking indictments, if they speak speak to facts that the government expects with some degree of certainty will be offered into evidence and received into evidence at trial. and this was a situation where i think the sense was that was excised from the indictment was problematic. the judge hasn t ruled on it yet. it may or may not. this is other similar acts evidence but not conduct that s actually he wasn t part of the charge charge and that s shouldn t really be in the diet payment ordinarily unless you re pretty certain that the judge has made a ruling. but to trump s handling of classified documents, which is the gate does but i ll tell you why this was put in there. the prosecutors who bought this case knew they were bringing a case against the former president of the united states, and they will be scrutinized all right, people are going to go through with a fine tooth comb and i believe they want it to include things that would pass the smell test for anybody reading this indictment, they threw extra facts and air. so if you just read the indictment on its face, you said, oh, they have a case. oh, they have a reason for bringing this forward. so i do think they went overboard a little bit. i understand why they did it i also don t blame the judge for saying all right. just take this part, striking it does that have any impact on the case at all? the indictment is welcome to things. one is the jury will be specifically instructed at the beginning of the trial during trial and at the end of the trial that the indictment itself is just a charge and it s not evidence of anything. but it is fairly often the case paste that judges will allow the indictment into the jury room. not all judges will do that but in federal cases, some judges will. and so you don t want anything in the indictment that the jury really shouldn t be in a judge is going to take a look. important thing is the jury instructions. the judge is going to tell them what the law is, what they have to base their decision on. think that will be more important than the indictment itself but she was right for cleaning up that indictment and just not having facts that may or may not come in. that case is a slow moving train. but here we are. robert ray, dante mills. thank you. both for being here. and next, the man who was once known as america s mayor posing for his second mug shot in less than a year, who knew giuliani biographer joins me live plus y giuliani decided to call fani willis a hoe at eight christian event alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise he also was compromised secrets and spies, a nuclear game. sunday at ten on cnn my husband and i own a growing beverage company. we rely on e-commerce and digital tools it s a build our business and launch new products thanks to american investments and ai, we re using this technology to run our business more efficiently artifact official intelligence is a game changer. and i m excited that the us 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pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiring to overturn arizona s election, joining us now is andrew kurtzman. he is the author of giuliani the rise and tragic fall of america s mayor. that is exactly the topic of conversation today because i mean to mug shots in a year, for any rational person that would be extraordinary for the man who used to be he thought at one point he could be president of the united states, america s mayor. i m in quite the fall. will anyone who was around the 80s or 90s saw a giuliani even long before he was america s mayor. he was the most famous law man in america, right? he was a crusading prosecutor. the united they southern district and manhattan, the scourge of wall street wall street crux and mafia bosses and the, the trajectory of giuliani s career is just, it s pretty extraordinary. i mean, with trump and giuliani long ago, we ve lost the ability to be shocked by then, but those mug shots of giuliani or a jaw dropping, if you know who he was, someone back then who had such a reverence for the law. he saw that court system as his church someone who has now been reduced to that. it s pretty tragic. and on top of that, i mean alaa man, that s a perfect example of the image that he portrayed himself. and yet in this arizona case, he was literally running from the law he literally tried to escape being served i mean, that s the rudy giuliani of today would be completely unrecognizable of the giuliani of 20 years ago are 30. there s, there s no question about it. i mean, his fall it s not that he s had a toe just a career collapse. he said a total moral collapse as well. he is just a shadow of him self and today or tonight, i was listening to his nightly webcast and there he was railing against joe biden and hunter biden engaging and character assassination there s a certain kind of almost fanaticism to him that s caused him to do as much as as much damage as he done and also to be a shameless about it. and it continues, i want to play for you what he said at a christian event about the georgia district attorney fani willis then i ve got to prosecutors fani the whole i m sorry i mean, what what what is there to even say anymore about comments like that, right? i mean, it s horrible. it s horrible, and it s it s not just, you know? portable character assassination, which is kind of bint as hallmark all the way back to his prosecutorial career but it also is a complete undermining of who he wants was as someone as i was saying, who had such reverence for the law that he you re talking about a person almost became a preece when he was a young man, he saw the court system as kind of that kind of similar moral kind of adjudication area where you declared right from wrong i mean, look look at them now. i mean, it s disgraceful as with so many people in trump s world, it s almost like he gives them a permission slip to just no holds barred, no inhibitions. they get to kind of go with their most base instincts. and i think 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republican nominee arguing why voters should choose him in november we can t afford to have anyone sit on the sidelines now is the time for us to all pull together and to stand up for our values and for our freedoms. and you just can t vote democrat. they re against religion there, against your religion in particular, you cannot vote for democrats and you have to get out and vote what makes the comments notable are where are they happened, which was in front of extreme anti-abortion group, the danbury institute wants to outlaw all abortion, even in case of rape and incest. they also claimed that abortion is never necessary to save the life of a mother. the group also so opposes ivf treatments to help women get pregnant. now remember, trump and says that he doesn t want to ban all abortions. and he says that he supports ivf. but today, he told those anti-abortion activists that he ll stand by there, sayyed side-by-side with them joining me now is republican strategist joe opinion, former communications director for vice president kamala harris, jamal simmons and former press advisor to speaker john boehner, more gillespie, joe. this is probably a strategy of no one is going to pay attention to what trump is doing, but we re paying attention. why would, why would he do that? look, i think we have to two issues here. do you have an issue with your organization? do you have an issue with the message? i think we ll start with the message. i mean, i think the issue is does donald trump believed that abortion should all be illegal? this group believes or does he believe what he says? he believed the president has been quite clear that he does not want you have a federal ban, i think has been very clear on the fact that he wants you have the issue remain with the states and so either we can take him at his word or you don t. it s quite clear that people want you tie him and tebor him to the organization. and all of their beliefs. it is quite clear that we are in the business of coalition building here in american politics. if you have an issue with the coalition, you can bring that up on the campaign trail, but it is interesting to me that we never asked democrats you disavow any of their supporters. we never asked democrats to affectively find the most extreme elements of their party and then answer questions about them. this only happens with people on the political right. and so i think that, that look, i think i don t think that s true. i think that s what comes up all the time. democrats are always asked, they are i say disavow, i didn t blanche. there s a difference between asking whether you agree with the issues and then saying, what do you have to disavow the group? i think again, the broader issue here is is the democratic party, a party that is hospitable to the beliefs of christians. i think there s plenty of polling that shows that there has been an erosion of faith in america. but there is a greater arose in the democratic party. and many of the policies that they re advocating for them up to democrats. this is a place where you guys are completely off base because the democratic party is fueled by african americans, particularly african american women who are the backbone of large christian churches all over america and so if we take a look at where the democratic party stands and the teachings at some i m a child of a minister. and as the teachings of jesus feeding the hungry clothing, the naked, taking care of those who are, who are needed and dispossessed that is quite right in the middle of the home plate of the democratic party platform. so i think that make the argument is an argument that is being made on behalf of a various particular subset of christianity that in historical terms, has not been on the side of african-americans at all because that part of the christianity has been on the side in the old days, slavery segregation i mean, he remembers very different. we want to have an ala carte conversation about religion short democrats like you pick and choose when they want to go down to the black church, like kathy hochul and get their anointing and say that i am not here to be the mother of all 62 counties that she s going to be a were all her apostles. there is a real serious conversation. democratic party, where if barack obama goes to boston it says that we have some people worshiping god and the blue states and awesome gotten the blue states. but when eric adams goes and says that i believe that god s plan for my life has led me to becoming mayor. he gets mocked. he gets mocked by the media. he gets mapped over there when we have all of those arrays. also, i just i don t want to lose this in the conversation. it s important though it is donald trump describing, first of all, your religion, i thought that he described himself as christian, but then to say that it is against your religion, christianity to vote for democrats, that seems like crossing a line. but i also think, what just happened here too is you re saying you guys down trump is saying all democrats, your blanket statements. that s what s frustrating i think to there can people as these blanket statements assuming that all democrats think like that all republicans think like, and that s an accurate. and so donald trump did here is interesting because he s pandering to christian conservatives, but yet his lifestyle, we know violet plates most, if not all, the commandments that he, you know, that the christians abide by but that s all trump. that doesn t speak for all republicans, not all republicans believed to ban abortion. and not all republicans want to attack women. just like i don t think all democrats are pro palestine and not all pro-hamas. i don t blanket statement that because i think that s a frustration in politics. political perspective. i mean, you talked about the big tent. i i think that s that s one way of looking at it. but from a political perspective, donald trump trying to argue he understands abortions of political problem for republicans. he s trying to argue, he s not the extremist president. he s not going to have a national ban, but then to go before an organization that is even to the right of the right on this issue, it does that really undercut his message giving democrats an opportunity? it does get their request an opportunity, not just because he s talking to this group i mean, he he made i think he s being extreme, but all the extremists think that he s extreme enough for them, right? he is the president who took credit for pregnant three supreme court justice on the court, who got rid of row, who helped the end roe v wade protections for abortion. he wants credit from groups like this about getting rid of abortion in the country. and if he s going to take credit, that means he also has take the blame from 60 5% of the country who has decided that we are four abortion rights. they are for women having the freedom to exercise control over their own bodies. and if he s going to take the credit, he also has to take well, i would agree that there are individuals who will be offended by the choice of the venue. and so if democrats want to raise that as an issue that is fair game in politics, but that does not deal with the fact that again, we re not having this conversation to your point when we re talking about people on the brooklyn bridge yelling from the river to the sea. palestine will be free, which is a call for the eradication of us people. we don t have these same, i think would disagree with you i don t wanna i don t want to belabor that point, but definitely i don t i do not think that is an issue that the democratic party has to own, right? it s becomes those are those democrats that is not indicative of who we are as a party. i think it is disingenuous to sit here and pretend that we don t have a senate majority leader for this nation that has gone and undermined benjamin netanyahu. it is disingenuous to say that we don t have a president than on one day said you re going to support israel on the other, de said is going to get rid of funny, i click, i get this is a completely separate issue, but my point is that if we re going to have people own a particular faction of their base and which do what across the board. and we re here having this conversation about abortion because it is clearly an issue the democrats think they can run on. and the only issues they can run on its abortion on monday, abortion on tuesday, january 6, on wednesday, and nothing else. abortion on monday and abortion on tuesday worked pretty well for them particularly in 2022. so more, how do you see this? republicans are going to struggle as we have on this issue of women s rights. when we talk about abortion, we fail to talk about the resources that aren t available to women who are now in these states that are being told they can t do ivf, which i m sorry if you want women to have more children, ivf is a wonderful opportunity to do that. so you re banning things like that. and you re not giving them the resources, then to have children to support women going to those appointments. having children is expensive. childcare is expensive. we don t do anything about that conversation. we stop and i think that two things can be true at once. you can believe in the sanctity of life, but you can also believe in medical freedom for half the population of the places in this country where it s the most difficult to have an abortion. it s also the most difficult to raise a child. it s a good point more, joe and jamal. thank you all very much for that conversation up next for us, the olympic rings, they re officially unveiled in paris, but not without some conscious firstly, of course, over who will be on the court for team usa. bob costas is here and he ll weigh in on caitlin clark, not making the cut. that s the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher, biden. democracy is on the 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celebrating the most popular opening months in its history. the league is reporting that on average, a whopping 1.3 million people have been watching their games on national broadcast. that is a 286% increase over last year game attendance merchandise sales social media engagement. they ve all been off the charts now, it s unclear exactly how much credit indiana fever star caitlin clark deserves for this jump, but it is safe to say that she has had a significant role in the success of the league. now, that being said all of these numbers come as the team usa announced its roster for next month s olympics, olympic games in paris. now let s just take a look at the team. you ll see that someone is notably missing yes. caitlin clark was omitted from the list and social media didn t take kindly to that. so should she be on the squad joining me now to unpack all of this is cnn contributor bob costas christine brennan, our friend on the show here and usa today and broke or so unless she broke this big story she won t be on the team. is it a snub or is this just the way ago? well, there are no rookies on the team. they re all veterans. if you wanted to make a case, you could say diana taurasi, who is an all-time wnba great. been in the league since 2004 for two decades, 41-years-old has five olympic gold medals already you could say you could put caitlin clark on in place of how you could make that case, but caitlin clark, other people would make that caitlin clark herself says, i get this 100%. i m young, i can work toward the next olympics and an olympics after that caitlin clark has faced some resentment for a variety of reasons. people, according to whatever narrative they want, want to attribute everything to one thing, whatever it is. but as we discussed last week with carrie champion, it s a combination of things, but say anything you want about caitlin clark. she in addition, they should understand this high tide of caitlin clark is raising all boats as you just pointed out, in addition to that, she has done everything the right way. she said i don t know what an apology from kennedy carter is just the way the game is. and then she praised carter s play. she says the game is rough. i ve got to adapt to that. she signs every but a graph. she doesn t whine and complain. she didn t complain about being left off the olympic team. some of this, and it s just not just a white, white thing, but maybe she is in terms of attention now that but many white stars in the league over the last quarter century, maybe there s some similarity between her and larry bird when larry bird came into the nba, there was some skepticism all he was fine in college is a white guy, can t be that good. it turned out he was one of the all-time greatest players, one of the ten greatest players conservatively in the whole history of the league when dennis rodman, who s always been a little crazy, said, if larry bird was a black guy, just be an average player, everyone was up in arms, right? here s what larry said. i don t care. let s just play he defused the whole thing. he warned everybody over by just being about basketball and caitlin clark, i think has been not just a really good and exciting player. she s been a classy person to this point and good for her. yeah. actually, let s play what caitlin said about being left off the team honestly, notice appointment like i think it just gives you something something to work for. you know, that s a dream, you know, hopefully one day i can be there and think it s just a little more motivation you remember that and, you know, hopefully in four years when four years comes back around, i can be there and honestly likely she will. i mean, just so people understand bob me what you were just talking about. this is what the olympic team looks like in terms of their accolades. i mean, you ve got wnba champions, you ve got all stars because you ve got olympic gold medalists, you ve got people who have basically been at the highest levels playing at slav a for a long time already. seems that she understands that she understands that. and what coaches and players around the wnba have to understand. i think most of them likely do yeah, i understand the resentment they d been there a long time. there are many good players. she s getting a disproportionate amount of the attention, but none of that is her fault. some of the resentment toward her has a racial element in it. we d be naive to deny that, but some people want to make that the entire narrative as we discussed last week with carrie champion, some of this is is carrier said as stacy dales of espn, who played in league happens to be white, she has said, hey, we ve been around a long time notice, not just our excellence, but it s a physical game. now, we have to make distinctions. what kennedy carter did against caitlin clark is outside the bounds. it should have been a flagrant foul i ll they upgraded it to that last week. i made the point that when alyssa thomas through angel reese to the floor, that was involved two black players had it been caitlin clark and alyssa thomas and thrown her to the floor? everyone would have made that a racial incident and only a racial incident i did a bad job, however, on context because that was immediately called a flagrant two. and alyssa thomas was ejected, plus it was on a small cable outlet and not viewed as widely as kate, right like kennedy carter, caitlin clark thing was out of bounds and it s pretty clear that for whatever reasons kennedy carter harbored some resentment toward caitlin clark, whatever the cause. i mean, one of the things is that all these kind of new fans right to the gay are coming in and everybody wants to be a sports analyst of the wnba and they ve just now started watching and they re not even watching all the games, apparently. right. and when people say in a simple-minded way, oh, she s a white star. there have been many, many white stars over the years past and present. there s breanna stewart now, there was rebecca lobo sue bird, sabrina ionesco, who almost batch steph curry in a three-point shooting contest this past february at the starting name, what is it about caitlin clark? it s not just that she s white. steph curry stood out from other great black stars in the nba because he played in a way that was appealing and relatable. shooting from the logo, dr. jay was more appealing and brought in more fans and his teammate moses malone, who was a three-time mvp because dr. jay s game was more flamboyant. michael jordan wasn t just great. he was fun to watch caitlin clark is fun to watch. yeah. and she is going to be a star pretty much no matter what do you think she ll ultimately be an alternate for the olympic team? i think he could be. i think that s possible. and the concern that because she d be reserve and she wouldn t play that many minutes and therefore, her fans would be up in arms just put the point out there, educate them it 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[ ] dana: the news today is the jury and in the format gun try getting dismissed for the day a. deliberations wrapped up with no verdict. blackadder tomorrow morning at 9:00 am as they decide whether the first gets the first the joint 25 years in prison snubno the presidents and did not knowingly lie these said about his drug use from purchasing a handgun in 2018, but federalargu prosecutors arguing hunter hadr lost the power of self-control when you bought it. that the evidence back set up.wm hunter biden sent a drug dealer who had had tried to meet up with did they before, he lied on the gun form.e meanwhile the biden family is out in full force, rose joeen biden tht e president sister anh brother were among the several d family members present in courtu topp support hunter.wa president biden was not there and the democrats and media are giving him credit for that. of the president of united states has removed himself from this, explicitly, honorably, an. lots of the rule of law unfold. put yourself for a nanosecond in a position, for a parent a child coming through what hunter biden is going through, difficult,di complicated, painful. happy to see one of thehe w present was asked about this, confidence in the judicial system, not going to undermine it. dana: whatever happens the w hatrial hunter biden has made oe thing for sure. the laptop is real, after getting entered as evidence in the comeaux truck, fox newso digital reach out to all 51 intellect officials whoian dismissed the laptop is russian disinformation and eithert declined to retract or even doubled down. want to get to that at some point by let s talk about the prosecution in this case, they e moved forward, hunter has one oe the best lawyers, abbey law and the thing is i think the defensf just has a lot of bad facts ont, their side. you can hire a lot of great lawyers but have bad facts, might not go your way.eani judge jeanine: if you have, bad facts it won t go your way. but if you have a judge who moves the case along and i found it interesting, the sound you just had aired, that this guy says he led the rule of law unfold, hunter biden is, it wonderful. it s not the biden s, if anything the biden s are the ones who wanted to bring this plea deal before a judge, was all right through it. while any crime that he commits, it was the judge that says you know what, have you ever done this before the department of justice and they say there is no precedent for it. it s really about at the judge, this case moved quickly and we re so used to judge marchant who had everything he could do to extend that trial so that donald trump s trial when on for six weeks from memorial day celebrations and meeting with the parents, i mean it meetingg with your family members during the memorial day weekend, but in this case, what you have is a case that is rocksolid. of the question is, this can be proven beyond a reasonable the doubt, weatherby nullification? will there s a jury saddled with the biden family, it looks like such a unified family, with jill with, buying, with the solo blank back and forth to be with her husband, you got in jail, wife, sisters, in james and his wife, it s likthe the biden s ae saying we are a powerful familyi we are all in the front row looking at you. which is why the prosecution s partly said, that way there is not evidence. but it s there., the question i do thequy want to convict. richard: a thing that is likely chance they will get the verdict,hard with the prosecutie leap although detailys where f hunter admits he didro crack cocaine,wher testimony from bobi biden s wife, his former girlfriend, that she was on that through the gun into the trashcan. we will have to see what happened here, those 12 jurors. it s important to remember there isn t a single american that will vote for hunter biden t-shirt, is no hunter biden bumper sticker or your designs, hunter biden is not an employee of the democratic national committee, an employee of the c white house, biden campaign.om he is a sun who we know wasou troubled at onble point in timei would still be troubled today. what we saw was a family saying once we had a troubled son andc want to support him in any wayl be can.de alsont heard from the presidenta over thet weekend that he willd not pardono his son and i do believe that is very true. we know from both the obama white house and the biden white house at this point is the did not take part of their political allies, the obama pardons, thert was nobody they knew. and nd wi think we see the samee in the biden administration. i think we will see justic served no matter what.t wa dana: on saturday yeah,.au [ laughter ] it ran on saturday but i did not waited until today, was on politico it was about hunter biden and business dealings basically, how could he not have used his dad s name, basically that s what it was saying. if you watch jesse watters primetime you know this. jesse: they charged with violations, conveniently left those charges out. i don t know about richard s analysis, i would say but was guilty or not guilty, there wila be challenges for the biden campaign. if it allys guilty, partiallyde defends the line of attack that trump is a convicted felon it, partially because hunter is not e, ya running for president aboo just casually go and throw around that label against your opponent when the first son has the same label seems boneheadeda you get a nod to guilty, datai feeds into the trump i m running against the rig to system. the way the situation did in the summer of 2016 where it was thrown out, deals to hillary s party favors. ane pad let her off with a slapn her wrist and just showed thatt trump was the victim of a rigged system and would be getting intn dc into the clean house.s this proves it is an auditokin guilty, there was home cooking and both of these trials, new york, democratic jury, legal black magic invented a crime and then convicted.a and then you have a delawareth jury do the same thing? this is basically black-and-white. both juries would thenivel be actively interfering in an election. and we don t like that at all. this is the weirdest trial ever because he have a first son on trial in a state where the president hailed from, had first lady in the first family showing up with kleenex weeping in front of the jury, the cia back ane sugar brother in there throwing money around. you have the head of the and doubly a showing phase, a film o crew filming a documentary making money off of this trial. but i below gets up and he sup trying to say, this form, it s not english. the form clearly says, are you an unlawful user or addicted to r narcotics. albia saying that if you are aty user, the only meant are you using the day you filmed the form out. rbc that s not true. he saying it depends what the meaning of addicted as, theymeon have a summary testified, smoking crack every 20 minutes.. that of hunter biden shy autobiography saying, he was an attic it s.eh he hasab gone to rehab 10 times. i don t know how you canothe describe addicted in any other way. then you haven ye this message g the widow,e i m buying drugs fm mookieying and then today, i m h on crack passed out in a car.in now abby is trying to say that he was lying on those text messages, it s a herculean effort we was he of the jury buys it. dana: greg, giving you the floor. if you alsflo want to comment on these. they had their jerseys on, are they taking them off. greg: might be a little person but i m a big picture guy and the big picture here is hunter s taking it for the team. this is his punishment, hishi amends for his misdeeds.heat the goal is to keep the heat ofp a joke at the kickbacks, the big guy. it s a small sacrifice for hunter to make to take the fall which is what you do in crime families when misdeeds are far d bigger and more lucrative so what he s doing is he s deflecting it onto him. it s now joe, it s hunter. that s the point, to keep it off of joe. but like the judge said, the cases crack rock solid teemacng but i have to say, i m startingh to really kind of like hunter. he makes me feel really goodi ha about myself. i had some wild nights in myo hu time, but i know hunter, maybe i might have petered my brother-in-law s shoes on his wedding night by didn t bank my brother s wife and got her hooked on crack. he puts everybody s shame in perspective, it s like when yout go to the gym when you re overweightn , you feel better if somebody else is there who is fatter than you are, that is why i train at sculptors jim.wh i want to get to the klopper sai thing, he said he had no regrets about a falsely labeling the laptop is rushing this information, and we know it s obvious. he has no regrets because he doesn t see it as a mistake. it s not what i thought it was fake and i m wrong good, he meant to do this. it was deliberate, he created a false narrative because he was fighting the thread called the donald trump which everybody was saying at the time saying he was worse than hitler be make any attempt to stop him is illegal and immoral, doesn t matter because history will look back at him as a hero for trying to stop hitler. jesse: talking about theated family?th dana: where is she?gal greg: she was surprisedtory like the laptop. tal dana: an amazing, we do not go over time. we were good today! you going to keep up!e pro hamas agitators chanting as they wreak havoc of president biden s a t door front door. 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[ ] [ bleep ].udge judge jeanine: pro hamas lunatics rating at biden s front door, thousands of anti- israel agitators chanting for jihad while wreaking havoc in front oh isthe white house this weekend. they set up smoke bombs, vandalized statues, road anti-rf somatic graffiti and pelted a park ranger during the chaos. one individual holding up a bloody facemask of joe biden. the jewish hatred playing out on the same d day as is reallyy defense forces heroically rescued four is really hostages who had been in hamas captivity since october 7th. senator tom cotton is calling onto the biden doj to investigate of the terror protests.e you have anti-american proma hamas lunatics defacins g andst desecrating the statueats of our great veterans, which is a plain a violation of law. joe biden s government allowed to happen and we will probably not se pe any arrests or prosecutions for violating that law.: judge jeanine: they nowi wi start with you, what tom cotton about is that dojag starting aain investigation against people who are pro- terror, pro hamas, one action wearing a hamas headbandba carrying around a bloodyw in facemask of joe biden. while waiting to the doj be involved in this kind of thing, death to america? dana: well, you can imagine somewhere else with a different type of people, it should have vebeen. people having some 2020 déjà vu. is only 71 at park police officers covering 890,000 persos protest, and they re not allowed to wear right gear? ano d wheat seed rated their, te police officer there, there throwing things at him, they arn assaulting him and nobody says anything, not a single person gets arrested? you basically have people waving terror flags, wearing masks, you cannot do that in the district of columbia. nobody does anything? the prosecutor, can rememberosec that guy s name, i can remember, the prosecutor much like alvin bragg, they re not prosecuting p the crimes happening at right there. there s isllin appalling a douba standard ow n basic questions of law and order. wit mentally have uaa situation whee people are very frustrated. i could not believe one charles cook said it, you went through all the different websites, newy websites, could not find any of this news. anywhere ns,. except for local nbc affiliates. no word, if some like this happens outside, one little tlthing.e it s on the news. one out this? the double standard makes my voice raised two octaves blood it s partly why think people are discussing this and it s a sign of things to come. if they can get away with this, what he think they can get away in chicago? judge jeanine: in addition saying biden should be arrestedl we got the guillotine, you know richard, these are people who are calling for a cease-fire and peace and yet they are with theg hamas headband and all the other thing is they are doing kind defacing statues. connecting to a revolutionary war, would help the u.s., help you as to feed the birds inwh 1781. when theerd y get off doing tha richard: allstate again,d, there s a clear bright line between people protesting andra throwing things at park rangers and defacing property period. it is unclear, we don t know ife the justice department isca involved becauseus it could bede investigations and we don t kno. that yet. i think that is a wonder think we have to point out. as it think while this iswe happening, on this protest is happening we also know under the ground in israel, benny gans ha, resigned from the war cabinetit which makes the situation a bit more tiny was, with benjamin netanyahu and th te reason why gantz resigned is because who s waiting on benjamin netanyahu to create a postwar plan and inh gaza andth he has not come up ws that plaitn which makes theha situation evenve more tenuous as you try to figure out how do we come to some sort of peaceful solution b. five d. think any of those protestersth know who ganz is?es richard: out argute e that is part of the problem, i want this conflict to come to an end it, or the hostages to be sent home and killing to stop in gaza. i think both of those things cas be true. a but it s less about what is happening and the united states and what is happening with the is really government and benjamin netanyahu. judge jeanine: greg, greg s before nobody cares about teemac got to the hostages gotso rescued, that s a story you came out with? judge jeanine: let me ask you the question, the captured seven hostages and eight months. 116 remaining. mea they think 41 are dead. 75 alive that we believe.ra didn t israel have the right to do what they need to to get toa those human beings back in a war that hamas started, and they are still holding out hostages with the is really hostages? richard: for my perspectives there s only one acceptable fact, once october 7th happened, it s none of your business. we can all agree that payback isbenc a badge believe me. he don t create of the terms, talked about it before, you can do all of these platitudes aboul never again, we stand with israel but if you do that in i good times, you will work less. it only matters ain t of the bad times, those outrage? were they killed 202 rescued four. have you ever come up with themr ideal number for that?ve have you y ever done to the mathematics teemacatic did youha maexpress outrage when hamasan killed over 1000 people? and everything you were told what hamas is true? t keeping hostagesru, in heavy populated areas? and still you don t care?yo u that tells you something about the protests. these are not organic. prthe a professional, they paid for and i find it interesting that nobody according to ourent president is above the law. a unless you m are in member of te left. somehow vandalism becomes s an expression of protest and speech. it s a weird, if you woke, words can be viewed as violence.on but then c violence and destruction can be defined as speech. you don t get arrested, wisey is want rage are permitted and any kind of mild protest isn t? think about go back one kid, all over the place. you couldn t find it anywhere. why did they do that? it s because they wanted sanctioned, in one is not. judge jeanine: the operation carried out makes it clear, one of the hostages, the female on the motorcycle. she said she was dressed in palestinian government so theym could removeon her from one houe to another which is so, if you haven t watched it. b but how does this rescueed operation, and showed it in any way impact the cease-fire discussions? b6 you will continue to have these ways to extract these hostagesex, but i m glad you brought over the history earlier. of the statute that was desecrated was a general low shampoo, theof french sent him here during the revolutionary war and he was commanding about 7000 french expeditionary forces. he joinsorce forces with washinn and they go again and they seize the new york town, and then he joins forces ands the force of the surrender.wall this man is a hero, first send the statue kind of get us to the roosevelts administration, in bailey in lafayette park and joe biden is there in france while this statute is being disagreed? you don t arrest a single person the. judge jeanine: and also he invaded pickle boxes or is. [ laughter ] and jesse: what does it tellhe you about a country that does not protecint the crown jewels f its cultural and military history? what doen s it say if you allow his stature to be defiled?cher you probably don t cherish this beard of the country, like joe biden is wanting this campaign on defending democracy. without lafayette, defending democracy, we would not have a country. judge jeanine: the interestingg thing about this is these ar se rebels who are simpe creating anarchy, they don t know what they re doing, they, are just haters.bu coming up, some serious buyers remorse about joe biden. 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[ cheering and applause ] jesse: richard before weul get to you i would like to apologize to everybody in nevada and they sorry about that. glitch in my brain. so perfect and so many other ways. [ laughter ] go ahead richard, was going on in there. richard: i could sell you wan in alaska. it s on a focus on james for a second, been a lot of times since i ve being talking with james cargo. he is a political operative thaf has been pretty unsuccessful inn the music history, in 2022 he picked a candidate in pennsylvania there was literall obliterated. 2020 he predicted that we would have the election by 10:00 in regard to those four days later. bur dat did me just say this. you know, when you really think about it.ha here s what we know to be true,n a quote that was about to the economy was stupid, that he dids get right.tud th other than that, you know, is political ability to protecti things is pretty awful.ay and i think when i say that i say this. c this aom come down to how peopla feel about the economy on election day when did they choose to vote or vote early. over the last couple of months we have seen record of job growth and the lowest and a plummet in history does not take away from the fact that we as a country are expanding record inflation.cords mo inflation numbers coming outthey this month, hopefully they will be take down. coming up with next month and the month after that before we have the election. that s howeopl i think people w vote ultimately. we ll have to wait to and see w that looks like. but if units are the biden campaign will have to talk about. making this economy work for the american people. jesse: heyear is not a perfe, nobody is. richard: he is awful. judge jeanine: come on! jesse: he talks for a lote bi of people because it and wanted joel waterman to be the nominee and thought he was too old for the job. judge jeanine: document van jones and the rest of them. t he ihes one of the top democratc operatives no, i think for more advanced. i won a fight with you richard. let me say what i want to say. truth is there has to be a reason that they keep propping up biden and the reason they keep robbing him up in spite of the fact that everybody is a naysayer about this fool. t the thichak of his lies, is a ft that they think joe biden, trump is going to beat him again. what they ignore is that joe biden in 2020 is a cognitive declined man it today. what they don t understand is in 2020 he had a basement campaign of what they don t understand is that the country is totally different. dif there is dissent in americaen while joe biden has been president. we have the ability to impair trump and biden and theng americans are saying i, ice to e able to buy eggs and gas and go on vacation or whatever when trump was president, and now it don t have any of those opportunities. and finally,nall if you listen o that sound on those hoteltr workers, donald trumump is as ya know whadat i m in nevada, whati want to do is i want to promote no tax on tips.d and yoyou know what the culinary union comes out with? c they comome out and they say basically, you know, they rather object to the tax-free tips and tell everybody to vote for biden and that trump is full of it.ng look, the democrats have t o nothing. you don t have p theol policy because they don t have anything. a sudden going to mountunt sinai, guarded the power to bein able to change immigration. the guy is just not a credible guy anymore. richard: gg. greg: like how the media calls eight tall tales, like joe is some village and valent storyteller entertaining the town folk of tales of fighting mysterious woodland creatures anood turnindlg cows milk into liquid gold. meanwhile trumps salesmao lin f- page is a existential threat. but joe uts tales unlike j trums are not harmless. trump, when he s talking aboutre something whether he exaggeratea or not or directionally true joe s are figment of a chaotic imagination. and adamant braiicn, it could be dismissed, like the town fool but not when it s the leader of the free world. i m reminded of how many times that the media democraticou complex woulldd often comparedta trump to a mob boss by the way he talks. you gotta ge t rid of these people. anyways, consider how biden s defenders portray joe. that he is a basketcase in public, but behind the scenes, oh, you watch, use as a tribe is attack. this is never happened into the history of the human world. is no human behavior like that. and those who they had a criminal familymac a mob boss evading arrest, or standing trial by pretending to be mentally ill in public. the chain figment mental illness for decades to avoid prison. he would chat with parking meters and urinate in public. does that not sound familiar? joe is truly sharp as a tack, may be be could listen to those takes, or maybe it s just an act richard: are you with her? dana: i wanted to make those t-shirts. i can t remember which headline it was but the talked about biden s yarns. greg: yes, yarns! dana: do member the new york times, they had a big thing where they had a big announcement that it is going to be, okay,, that trump is a liar. they put that on the front page of the paper but biden tells yawns, of course,, want to mention something about the age thing, human for last week the wall street journal said joe biden has been in private meetings as having a hard time connecting the dots. and the white house press office they just said every sort of reinforcement, and the reaction was so over-the-top, and they were so mad about this story, and you think where is the anger for people about like understanding of the border issue or inflation or immigration? where is that? that empathy? any don t see it. it s only when they think he will get nailed in the election because people think he is too old. after that story ran, i think i said, i believe i did, it was see the press hurting to this way and all of them will start writing it and people have permission now to say where they are thinking. in the atlantic back with his speech today about biden s decision to run at the age of 81. it warning if you print this article out he will have to bite toner because it s along. this is the paragraph that matters, the unwillingness or inability of democrats to stop by and remains in existentially risky cat potentially disastrous proposition. if biden loses in november, that is all anybody will remember him before. and that is how i ended. 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( ) [ ] richard: critics in california giving way too many handouts, new taxpayer funded home lists high-rise shelter, scotland views. and getting a gym, and even a café. the whole thing caused $165 million and in san francisco that are opening to the first ever free food market where residents can leave without paying. judge jeanine? judge jeanine: you know what it sounds like where they are already doing. in san francisco whole foods they go into the and leave without paying. that s why whole foods left. by the way who thought it was a good idea to bed $165 million for houses for the homeless? were not so sure they really want houses, and if there aren t cameras in these places, i would suspect a lot of these homeless people would sublet and they can make money and get drugs and if you think that migrants are trashing hotels in new york city, think one of drug addicts will do in san francisco. richard: when are giving them a home address he? jesse: they will trash it richard. that s what it every time they do this the same thing happens. s been $25 billion on homeless populations increasing 30 percent. they spent $33 billion on 800 miles of high-speed rail in california, 15 years later richard, you know how many miles he put down? 1600 feet. there is no way the government can solve these problems, you cannot even exit gate. look at obama care, member how great that was supposed to be? 60 percent richard. 60 percent. how are the $7 billion an electric car charging stations? seven. richard. seven. you cannot expect the government to come in and solve homelessness, will never happen. richard: of the rent is too high in california, to hide across the country. i think we solve homelessness? dana: you build all sorts of houses, figure out of the permitting, clear out to the regulations on that are ridiculous. giving away free stuff we know how this ends, we know how it ends. it always ends the same away. it is not work. what works is a discipline, purpose, accountability and self-reliance. that is how you pull yourself up and start to succeed. look what is happening in california, $250,000 and woke kindergarten, than they were surprised that they leave kindergarten none of them can read or say the alphabet. we not doing a good and a job figuring out how to help people like that let alone, we don t want to raise a generation of people that are going to have to go to the free food market. that is preposterous decision for a society to make. greg: $600,000 for an apartment, 258 studio apartments, how would you feel hearing that if you were a hard-working blue-collar american in a white black, hispanic, male or female? you would feel you re being demoted. you matter less than you saw in this country, you not as valued as a citizen as of those people who do things the wrong way. of the people who get things for free without doing anything, people who take advantage of the hard-working citizens, will pay their rent, would save up for mortgages, pay your taxes. the message of the democratic party is that with the right away, you will be demoted. don t do it at the right way, we got you, whether you re a minority construction worker in a legal stream, whether you re an illegal immigrant waiting in line following the rules and get people cut in line or asylum, they are of criminals who control, horror loud breaks every time they are arrested. never in prison for mcafee moth-eaten who loses or is beaten by a man was as he is a girl. in every situation, that person is demoted. you vote democratic, they put the dam and demoted. dana: and demented. richard: coming up, out-of-control bullet jumps over the fence and into the crowd back the fastest! is up next. 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[ ] greg: and welcome back, this isn t your typical day at the radio. shocking video capturing the moment of wild bull goes rogue and leaps over the forest fence, watch. [ ] dana: wow! greg: 14 people were killed. judge jeanine: know they were not! richard: three injuries, they say music soothes the savage beast but i guess animals hate country music. dana: i think he was quite moved by the song they are, and decided to keep on going. i have not been to a lot of have been to a lot of rodeos, never seen anything like that in prison. it s remarkable everybody is okay. greg: his name is party bus and it s true! you know jesse this makes me think, when somebody is about to undertake a difficult task they would say it s on my first rodeo, they say that? what if you were in the rodeo, would you say this is not my first accounting job? jesse: i don t know but it looks like this was their first rodeo. who builds a wall that low? greg: build a wall you say? [ laughter ] dana: perley nobody builds a wall jesse. jesse: the wall is too low or this thing is like the michael jordan a bowls. greg: yes. greg: you have been to rodeo drive. what to say you about this rodeo? judge jeanine: advent a lot of rodeos as well greg, take it that. this bowl was a democrat. he identified as at gazelle. and as a party bus, that s his name? he picked up five people on the bus. get it,. greg: nicely done. richard, d. go to rodeos? richard: and no. greg: no? richard: that is why. [ laughter ] greg: always a small risk. richard: put me into those bleachers. greg: one more thing is up next. 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no dana: d. well, he s got something, but it ain t a laptop. all right. jesse, did you know, dana, that it was illegal to get in your helicopter and shoot fireworks at your lamborghini? i had no idea. it is in nevad your laa. it is absolutely illegal. and now alex choi is doing donuts in the desert there as he gets pelted with fireworks intentionallyd ff is facing ten years in federal prison. what s he doing free alex choi? i mean, i don t know. i can t vouch for the guy, but it just seems like he was having a little good old, friendly old fun. this is what happens when you don t have a drug habit in you t havr rich. tonight, jesse watters, primetime. johnny went to the puerto rican day parade. he was a sneak peek. e biden says he s puerto rican. oh, renaissance. when no way he can be his best in this country. no way, jose. judge. okay, who knew a tri dana:p te eye doctor could be so adorable. check out these penguin who took time out of their busy days for their routine eye exams as penguins age cataracts and other eye conditions can affect their vision, just like humans. so it s important that these impo get checked. and i m on the ingram mangle tonight. all right. and, richard, thistonight. 100 and two-year-old, 102 year old vet world war ii vet is retiring fromfrom being a crossing guard. he s also a postal worker. his name is tom bessette. he lives in greensboro, northwate carolina, 3630, just across fromr day! and that s it for us. have a great night. welcome to jesse wattersni primetime tonight. what is deal here and comghte to think about joe biden s advantage. eep ]. whatever we do, the left says off with biden s head. son of
rican. oh, renaissance. when no way he can be his best in this country. no way, jose. judge. okay, who knew a tri dana:p te eye doctor could be so adorable. check out these penguin who took time out of their busy days for their routine eye exams as penguins age cataracts and other eye conditions can affect their vision, just like humans. so it s important that these impo get checked. and i m on the ingram mangle tonight. all right. and, richard, thistonight. 100 and two-year-old, 102 year old vet world war ii vet is retiring fromfrom being a crossing guard. he s also a postal worker. his name is tom bessette. he lives in greensboro, northwate carolina, 3630, just across fromr day! and that s it for us. have a great night. welcome to jesse wattersni primetime tonight. what is deal here and comghte to think about joe biden s advantage. eep ]. whatever we do, the left says off with biden s head. son of a . if donald trump wins, people will start flying out of windows. , they will end up in gulags. they will end up, as donald p ine, send themthe medi to gitmo. the media fantasizing about trumg aboup, the dictator. but what if biden loses. and he doesn t leave? no i m not going anywhere. oh, oh, it s a wild animal. summer across. it was a mostly peacefulnd i weekend in washington. the sun was shining, the birds the and little johnnyg. how jihadis surrounded the white house. rah, rah, rah, rah, rah, rah. oh, it was nice. i like outside, but you had a hard. the johnny jihadi is desecrating the statue of general roshan bo,oo the frenchman who, along with lafayette in washington, forcedchma the surrender of brih general cornwallis, effectively winning the revolutionary war. police made no arrests. actually, there was one arrest, but he escaped. nebiden says he s defending democracy but can t defend the demole of the genera who helped start it. it was also biden s biggestrt turnoued.t of the season.son, crowd size in the tens the of thousands more democrats protested biden in one night,n then showed up to support him all year. arris kamala also got showeredho with sharia love in michiganwer and we mourn all the innocent lives that have been lost in gaza, including those tragically los killed today.. for the past eight months,s, president biden and i have been workinpresidg every day to brins conflict. m sp i m speaking right now and i value and respect your voice, but i m speaking right now. while biden and kamala wereng getting heckled out of their own blue backyards, trump was on their homheckled owne turf g some california love for 40 five didn t come home empty handed. more on that in a minute. thene homended, mo he flew to va a campaign rally that was so hot, the teleprompter broke. could you imagine ifu biden was up? he iime s no good with the teleprompter is the worst i ve seen. but could you imagine of thepror teleprompters were of his biden is is. cu, oh oh. he wouldn t even say anything because he s incapable. he d probably go pause in a pause about what he s reading the teleprompter and thennd the they say pause, meaning, you know, maybe you ll get aboumaybe t three people clg and let s pause. now, he just walked off the stage like this teleprompter, but this guy is the worst. after the comedy show, trump revealed a new economi c policy that hard working americans are going to love. hard-wor you know, people areg to themselves, were we better off four years ago? are we better off now? and it wasn t even closeur o. we had the greatest economy in history. what we dif thd in taxes, nobod ever done. so thino hass is the first timee said this. and for those hotel worker s and people that get tips, you re going to be very happy, because whenyou will i get to o, we are going to not charge taxes on tips, people makingtips tips. ng and now, when i was a bellhop, they paid me about four, 25 an hour, but i made hundreds of dollars in cash tips, whichmn we didn t report, obviously, because they can tax dol it. tai but everything s on credit cards now. you can t hide i t. canno uncle sam, taxes tips. biden hired 87,000 extra irsn he agents, gave him guns to do it.t trump s tip tax cut makeske biden look like a sinister old geezer, and it s already movinlg the needle. i did talk with some hotel some servicerday, workers here in las vegas about how that is playing with theas howm. le tol and america, about six people told me that would change their vote, that is. enough to make them switch from voting democrat to republican ifoughke donald trump is promisg something like that to them. sources trump in delaware tell meble biden s a terrible tipper. usually has somebodyer else payh for him. but when he does pay no buen ho a bed tipping president who taxes tips doesn t get reelected. .a new cbs poll says the econom is the number one issue for america. hurricanes american, not the trump the conviction. that s at the bottom of the list. and it s not just the economy, stupid. turns out mosty, america wants a mass deportations, too. would you support a new program government program that would deport all peopl thae living ine u.s. illegally and that find a majority favor that fine. six and ten. , becausehat a bit this 62% of americans favor the deporting all undocumented immigrants. some of what mr. trump talks about could be illegal. it doesn t seem practicale to in some sense to round up trump holdren. so what exactlyp children do people think they re supporting? deporting illegals could be illegalse: depo. is the kind of brilliant analysis americans are blessed with on cbs sunday alysis as. execu remember biden s executive order to shut down the border ifti border crossings hit overr 2500 a day? well, border crossings have been over 2500 a day every day since biden signed the ordey er, and he hasn t shut it down. the day after he signed the ordeafter, they were 4000 border crossings. the next dayr they were 10,000. anybody hear anything about biden shutting down not the border? you didn t because he didn t. .why would democrats support a man like that? they don t?they dt. e show a friend of the show, nick shirley, went to compton. watch. votin who are you voting for in 2020 for obama. , obama s not even running. i don t know what i m voting for trump, but i m voting for trump because he put money in our pocket. i m. tyou pu say sleepy joe. sleepy joe? no, i m just plain probably trump. i ain t gonna go for trump. i will see whereus i go for trump because biden ain t showed us nothing for the people. give me his name. trump, bruh. and why so? because he for us. cheers to trump. joe biden has been president from 2020 to 2024. what differences have you seen t those past eight years? everything s going up. ass?food s going up.economie gas going up. the economy is going up. goin it s it s a difference, a major difference that can be done for our community. yet we re still in the ghetto. e we re still in the hood. whatever we do s. i haven t seen no changes, period. from compton to silicon valley,o democrats are walking away fromr the guy who can barely walk.$30l trump hauled in $30 million from his california swing. 12 million came straight at nancy pelosi s backyard. tech billionaire say they were impressed by how eloquentan and articulate trump was arti up their checkbooks. he wasn t the guy i seeon on tv, one source told the post. he was very thoughtfulce and self-deprecating. one of the billionaires who hosted the fund raiser forro trump was a lifelong democrat who says he s been forced into political homelessness as a democrat who has been left homeless, who is now deafw and only in the center, but probablyn th leaning increasingly right and left yet again with an appreciation . despite the messenger of the message of the jp administrationenger of t,s remorse is rippling through the democrat ranks. , and clinton guru james carville says, don t blame me on t. never i never wanted the guy isn t a choice. then i was crazy about. i actually was very public that i thought that president biden should not run for reelection, but he did. and it s him and trumpan h. and that s where i am. the lack of enthusiasm among young people for public policy or public service oror pub being involved in the publicli square is quite disheartening. and the democrat numbers guru nate silver announced today that the biden approvalan rating has reached an all time low and says biden is in much h worse shape than he was four years ago and is on track ack to to lose handily and suggests we might have hit the threshold loi where biden dropping out would help democrats more than if. he stuck it out. because what does it saybe about caus doea man who won t pt america s symbolic landmarks, mat our national sovereignty, and won t even protect workers meagert protec s from vicious irs agents during an inflationars fromy bubble tht he caused. if yy, ou love this countr you fight to protect it. number one, take any of thei greatest fighters of all time. trump is, number one, the most resilientrump ist human being t ever met in my life. and what respect? i keep doing this. you know, you got money, you got a great life. you got whatever. wha y keep doing this? and the one thing that i can tell you, and this is a factll. this guy loves this country, right? and he loves all americans, regardless of what color, religion. or whatever it is. he s not a racist. he s a good humais notn being. a and he loves america and he cares about this country. period. end of storynd. from waitresses to whales, from compton to venture capital to lafayette park, just yards from the white house. the antipark biden avalanche is building up speed and is taking all of us along forhe bot the ride from the bottom up to the top down this electio tn boils down to this reason triumphing over fear. if enough americans use their common sense and deliberaten and they don t allow their passions to be inflamed by demagogues, , joe biden will be soundly defeated in novemberll. investor and entrepreneur righd sacks joins me now. all right, david, you havee a few billionaire buddies. you re out there in silicon i valley. is it just you and a couple guys ois ir how big is this anti biden movement at the upper echelons? i think it s getting surprisingly big, jesse.ig you know, when we agreed to do j the fundraiser foresse d was president trump, the goal was just to raise $5 million. and we weren t even sure we could do that because, as you well know, silicon valley is pretty much a liberal sili in. now but we ended up raising $12 million. brawe had over 100 people ther. and it really was a total love fest. and then oved people out in theu the san francisco newspaper has been trying all week to get to gin up protesters and nothing really materialized at all. but hundreds of people came out to demonstrate in favor of presidentl bu? trump andeven they were cheering all along his motorcade, even in san francisco. so if that s the the enthusiasm gap in a liberal place like san francisco, what does that tell you about the rest of the country? it tells you a lot. and we ve seen the it all acrose the country. tree in the bodegas in compton ,pretty much everywhere. it just shocks you. you said there was a lot of love for trump in the room. that s obviously, you know, people definitely there to donaty the. the is it the anti biden feeling or is it the pro-trump feeling? how would you define it? well, we hadd a lot of people in that room who had never donated to republicans before p. to trumr dona they were new donors or they were had always been democrat donors. r theyand yet they came out. and i think i attribute that toy the fact that trump is makingg inroads in silicon valley and then als silicono biden is y alienating people. he s really pursued a very hostilpeople.e e program towards innovation. he s been very hostile towardspt crypto. he s wanted to overregulate a.i.. innovation -t downg that all m&a. and so i think there s a lot i of people in technology who are askinge in, what good is this fr us? how does it help us t ofour y have another four years of president biden? and i think that trump haseaf et basically declared that he s the crypto president. he s in favor of innovation. prhe s willing to listen. i think he listened extremely well to all the people in that roo ynem. and fundamentally, he wants america to do well. and i think that peoplhe ae in h who get to meet the president get to know him, they see that he really cares. and i think they can be won over by him. and reallyng they bei think then over by him. you say that the biden administration is trying to kneecap i think kamala might be the eye, s are i don t know f she s doing it or someone else is doing it. the age factor because kamalaus is in play. if biden is reelected, he s going to hand i it over to kamala probably in the first or second year. how much of a factor is thate i well, the white house had this a.i. summit, and they did trump kamala out with a 100 page pluas regulatory plan.p and it was just absurd in terms of the level of detail that they were getting to in terms of regulating this thing. loo the sink, a.i. is brand . at some point, we re going to need to regulate it, but nolt right now. and i think the feeling from a lot of people in tech was that if this was anoplee government reacted to the internet back in the 1990s, it never would have materialized. itet back 1990s never would hao into the revolution that the internet was the, which was vers very good for american jobs and productivity. and america s leadershipoductivs world. so what you don t want to do ai in in thegreaovatio kil cradle. and i think there was not a great deal of confidencet dew that kamala harris was w the person who was going to be the air czarasoing, who s going. to lead us into this glorious future. so, yeah, i think that they are just going to trigger yeah, the biden administration is way o trigger happyregula on regulation. i mean, that s the bottom line. all right. thank you very much. monetiy talkon ands and it te t 12 million things to say at this fundraisery . that s a lot of talking. david sax, thank you so much. everybody go check out the podcast. there he is. thanks, jesse. johnny goes to the puerto rican day parade. salot of puert pueo ricans are saying they re voting for donald trump. i say yes.h? 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the other is possession. the first is, did hunter biden lie to employ or is thegon wilmington, delaware gun store on october 12th, 2018, when he checked no to being a drug user or being addictedd to drugs? did he lie on the form itself when he checked? e . and did he illegally possess a gun for 11 day ts in octoberur 2018 if he was a drug user. now the government, jesse, does noe got t have to prove that hur was on drugs at the exact moment he bought the gun o momer even really in the whole month of october 2018. jurors have to look kindh of at the entire time frame, talking about months and weeks beforame after leah wise, a lawyer for the government, told jurors not to focuse jurors on the presencn of famous people sitting in the fa meaning the first lady and others. he didn t want jurors to be distracted. hunterd others, the attorney, pu to the gun for which says, are you in unlawfuchl use oro addicted to illegal drugs? it doesn t say, have you ever beenillegal abbe lowell sayingi it s all about hunter biden s frame of minngs ald? so those are some of the things the jury has to weigh. it has been quite a triae somel in just a week. it s been fairly short getting all this done in the courtroom e today, hunter biden seemed cheery. he was walking around, giving people hugs and kisses,x thanking them for coming to support him. there was a momentthankithem foe hallway where you could see he, the first lady and his wifwaeeas bowed their heads with some men who seem to be a religiousod figure, maybe possibly praying before they went into court. he could facorg toe up to 25 years behind bars. jesse, tomorrow, we re likely behi ag to get a jury if weheres don t. clearly, there s something going on with this case. if it doesn mething it comese:h back tomorrow. back to you. thanks. david carrier voank you?n. s legal editorcourth who was also in the courthouse today. ou, carry,carrie hunter looked happy to me, was smiling in goodot spirits. goodwhat does he have to be sou happy about? the aybe he s happy about the possibility that the showing of his family members is having an effect on the jury. it seems like doj is concerned about it becauseju.. a they opened their closing with a pretty stark statement. it was bold. y stark jeff. it was gutsy.ey wer and they were leaning in for a reason and they gesturede jut like this to jill biden and the family members. hi joe bthey re sitting right te several feet away. and they said this is not evidencend. and they went on to say, how do you know to the jurors,them they you may have watched them watching you. you may have seen their implied emotionat you,l reactions.ve you may have seen them on the news. but respectfully, none of thists matters. and then they presented what felt like, frankly, oveherf whelming evidence of hunter biden s drug useiden s d, both e during and after the time period in which he purchased that gun. time o i have the form right he, and it s as clear as day. heas are you an unlawful usera of or addicted to narcoticrcs? you do. why are they even still deliberating, carrie? well, we ve had we ve been sitting listenindeg to abbe lowell, hunter, biden s defense attorney, talk a lot about what doesde at are actually mean. a oh, man. right. we ve had a lot of that. we ve alsota had a lotion ab of discussion about when hunteor biden was texting the wife of his dead brother, who he is at that point in a relationship with, and saying he was smoking on ina car crack and, you know, these various drug dealers, mooky franky , seven elevens, his defense attorney says, well, he was justattorney was mad at holly, d saying stuff to get under our skin. we really don t know whern.y he said that. and if it was true and you w know what? he may have beeny bee getting p of coffee at 5 a.m. at 7-eleven. that s why he was there. oh, yeah. mooky makes the best decaf, s te man. that s where i go forstaf my coffee. mooky at 7-eleven. thank you so much, carrie. maybe we ll get some more may action tomorrow. we will se be you soon. n fox news alert. israeli forces pulled off a stunninglord rescue operationg in gaza, bringin rg four hostags back home. terry yanks is in israel with the story. yeah, jesse, we re learning more details about that. remarkablening hostage rescuet that took place on saturday morning. toce oisraeli special forces releasing new video captured by a helmet camera in centrala gaza as the imam and shin bet forces go into a building, g clear separate rooms and ultimately find three oftely the hostages that were being held by hamas. d the ofthey asked for their nai there, telling them to stay them in hebrew before takingng them out of the building through hamas exchanges of fir e into a waiting helicopter along the shores of gaza. ultimately back to a hospital bc here in tel aviv. the wall street journal reports the mission almost failed. the israelis were coming under rpt failedg and small arms fire, this operation was taking place and other local media is reporting it was weeks in the making. the israelisa orting using top t intelligence to try to locate as many hostageso as possibleim and bring them home jesse. y incredible. so what if it s biden who refuses, leave the white house? 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the fires were still from the summer of love in major cities across the country, boarded up to prepare for another round of democrat riots in case biden lost. but joe biden won. so the angry left stood down. but now that trump s beating biden in the polls, the angry left s predicting more violence. this time, they say trump will a dictator kill journalists, lock up and never leave office ? george conway is predicting some kind of purge. and yes, there will be deprogramming if this guy is elected president. we re going to have civil disorder like you ve never seen 60, 70, 80 million people who will vote for the guy. and we still have to live with those people and we re going to have to deprogram them at some point. trump says his revenge will be success. liberals say that revenge will be civil disorder and deprogramming. who s really inciting violence? and aoc says if trump wins, she ll be sent to prison. it sounds, but like i wouldn t be surprised if this guy threw me in jail. really? he s out of his i mean, he did his whole first campaign around lock her up. like this is his motto. i take him at his word when he says that he s going to round up people. i take him at his word when. he threatens journalists. if donald trump wins. we are looking at the potential disillusion of democracy in the united states of america. aoc is much more valuable to the republican party out of prison, speaking freely and sharing her brilliant insights with the country. trust me, michael cohen says the trump administration will shatter, but in a different way. and just like putin, once you start to get too big for your own britches, people will start flying out of windows. they will start like navalny. they will end up in gulags. they will end up, as donald says all the time, send them to gitmo, send them to guantanamo bay. joe biden says he s running to save democracy. if trump wins, america is over . an orange revolution will usher in a racist dictatorship and the constitution will be replaced with the art of the deal. which raises the question if trump does win, why biden concede? a new op ed from the hill wonders what if it s biden who refuses to leave the white house? while speaking with some democratic friends, a reverse scenario was brought up, albeit mostly tongue in cheek. that scenario being that what if, quite ironically, it was biden who either postponed the election out of fear of maga unrest and rebellion or simply refused to leave the white house upon losing in november. makes sense. if trump s hitler and you lose to hitler, why would you willingly hitler? the keys to the white house. former united states assistant secretary of the treasury for public affairs. monica crowley. joins us now. monica, do you think if trump wins, biden is going to go gracefully? oh, well, i mean, it s an outstanding question, isn t it? and there are a lot people who suspect that he might find some pretext, not to leave the presidency or i shouldn t be more accurate, jesse, and say the people pulling his strings would like to stay in power. by the way, that aoc clip, i think aoc is just mad that donald trump won t dater. she s only so obsessed right now, like god is watching you criticize me. it means you re in love with me. yes, that means we re deeply in love with aoc, that we re so gentle and kind with her. so if someone is going to destroy the country and lose, why would you say, okay, my transition team will be in touch? and these are the passwords to the eisenhower executive building. right. you wouldn t. right. you wouldn t do that. so what do you think joe s going to do? is this is this a realistic scenario? well, you know, what s interesting about the left, jesse, is that, you know, a lot of people are talking about projection that they. that s usually an unconscious thing where it s really a confession of what you yourself is doing right, what your side is doing. you blame the other side or you accuse the other side of doing it. it s usually intel, but it s usually, you know, an unconscious thing here. i think it s part of a deliberate strategy on the part of the left. they re lying to everybody about donald trump. they re lying to everybody about the right. and conservatives when they themselves for decades have spent a lot of time and resources burning down the country, literally, whether it was the weather underground, antifa, black lives matter, and now the pro-hamas protesters are out there. remember, the issue is never the issue. the issue was always the revolution. so they re trying to turn consent revolution, right, to destabilize american society . so they re trying to turn the conversation around and flip the script and say, donald trump and maga is going to do this when clearly we ve had now eight years of maga of donald trump on the national political scene and all he has done, jesse, is deliver a booming economy, an enforced border, peace, prosperity, world order. and they deliver civil unrest if he is reelected, that s what they believe them. the resistance colliding with people and causing civil unrest. because i m not going to be deprogram and peacefully, especially by george conway who no offense. but the really important piece about this is, you know, knowing what we know, the deep state and the left are capable of doing, they re not just going to allow donald trump to march back in. they re not just going to allow america first to come back in. so i think a lot of people are braced for something that the deep state that the regime might have up their sleeve. they re capable of anything. we ve seen that evidence very, very clearly. thank you, monica crowley. thank you. jesse watters. president trump campaigning in las vegas this weekend, offering his supporters a very interesting hypothetical. would you rather be electrocuted or eaten by a shark? the boat is sinking and water goes over the battery. the boat is sinking. do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do i jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted? because i will tell you, he didn t know the entry said, you know, nobody s ever asked me that question. i said, i think it s a good question. i think there s a lot of electric current coming through that water. but you know what i do? if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, i ll take electrocution every single time and i get near the shore. electric cars, electric sharks, electric boats that didn t come out of nowhere this weekend. two separate shark attacks sent a pair of teens to the hospital and left a woman armless. the attacks happened within miles of each other on separate beaches in walton county, florida, on friday, before 1:30 p.m., a woman swimming near a sandbar was bit and again lost her arm. an hour and a half later, another shark attacked two teenage girls. these people were hurt badly. life threatening, life altering. thankfully, no one died. but remember, a shark expert told us you re supposed to punch the shark in the face ,not swim away. and he s an expert land isn t any safer. a bull. did the lambeau leap at an oregon rodeo charging the crowd and flipping fans? 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[sfx] ambient / laughing. beginning to end. shop now at show allegiance .com. t pe the left s peddled myths for years convincing impressionable young americans to take out massive college loans for useless degrees, put off havingp children and rearrange their lives to account for ans impending climate apocalypse. the people who believe for lies are significantly worse off for it. anhese entire generation was convinced that college degrees were golde n to success. now they re beginning to beg the government to bail them out. climate hysteria has turned millions of youngns of americans into anxious wrecks. not to mention wg americe just 7 billion to install eight electric car charging stations. wit i m sure that helped with inflation a lot. inn a lot.t of all, women, we rl told, hold off on having kids, prioritizing individual fulfillment over starting families as if you couldn t do one or both. according to the new york times , the left sold its followers on a bill of goodk s that was childless. life was not only fulfilling ,it was good for you and for 4 the environment. choosing to not have children wasn t just about focusing on your caree cha it was about sticking it to conservatives who believed sticnty. clear famil 34% of people surveyed chose to not have kids themselves or s knew someone who was intentionallody y childless. turns out the women t who prioritize childlessurns liberalism are wracked with regret after missing their chances dless li to havn of their own. live action founder lela rose joins me now. so i see this as a good thing, lela, that finallysr liberals are waking up to the fact that this crazy propaganda is unhealthy mentally and physically. are we maybe shifting balance here? i think we re definitely shifting balance because the en andd game is this the d that rocks the cradle rules the world and the most meaning you can find in life comes from relationships, comes from love a . and the most meaningful relationships are within families, including parents and their children and in marriage. so i think marriage is going gre to be made great again. it s being made great again because people are realizing,ler that this epidemic of loneliness is only solved epid and fidelityt the and then opening up your love in a marriage to having children, that beautiful risk of children. and so, you knok of children even joke that, well, if the liberals aren t having kids, the conservatives, well, number them. i but i think as liberals wake upi and see the value of children, wake actually makes them more conservative. yeah, that s not how it works. my parents were liberals i had me, so you nevere know. well, is your special jessica special? even though my mom says i m not the one. thanen thougk you very much. this country was founded on creating a government eourage to encourage the pursuit of happiness. happiness involves pursuit o wo happiness involves family, happiness it involves tranquility where you re not worried about the earth ending in ten years. everything that they ve structured goeendingn 10s againe everything the founders prescribed. why woulfounders prescrid they ? yes. yeah, well, it s the propaganda, right? the propaganda of the climate crises people. and i would say marxis msaying and else. why the saying that children actually having childrenor happe is selfish, that the family project is selfish, that you should just care about the state or you should care about the environment to the degree that you are, race yourselfronmen. footp you know, the carbon footprint is the biggest problem in the world that we re facing. that seggest pr the all a lie.sl the reality is we re actually facing demographic declinrealite in all of the wesw meaning we re not even replacing ourselves re becauseionse no people aren t having enough children. so we ve gone the far extreme and in the pursuit of what? right. i mean, what s the whole point of government? like you said, what s the whole poins e poinhet of the environm? it s for the future of humanity, for children. and so those that are having the children, those that are raising the families, the future actually will belong to those people. and i think more people be are waking up to that because so many people are so miserable right now. yes. se arand we can t have a countn of unhappy women. it wouldn t be good for womenohaveof an and it definitey wouldn t be good for my wife. happy life. jesse, you got it. love that. yeah. then the data is so interesting inteus: you go[ laughte it s al% of trump voters say that they of d about. they they prioritize family in society. rioritizand it s 19% of biden vt today are saying that family matters and children matter for the future. so even that just showdren matte politically the divide. there really is a stark divide by the. thank you so muc. a star h. thanks for having me. the puerto rican day parade marched in manhattan yesterdayyr . so johnny was there, obviously, to ask about our so john big pur rican president, joe biden, 40 five, with with me. let s go over here wheret ist i say, why, dwayne, what ihest the best thing about being puerto ricaning puer? 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well, you know, one thing. i don t know what they re happt ypp about. unhappy about, but i know thing they re happy about it. they re happy to be out here todat here and ty. and i m happy to be here today. and i want to enjoy this summer. nice life, ma am. it to test the prado.will what are we going to do about the open border? closed. that is done. everybody back home. too many dangerous people out there to be roaming around. worry about them better. so all of that on the way . to donald trump. go take your seat. i m the best thing that ever happened to puerto rico. what s going on with the migranmp: ond petert crisis? this country is open for everyone, but doing the rightdu way. this country doesn t even look like america no more. look like venezuele [ you have to take care of your how to be for anything that anybody thinks video but he s saying is a bunch of garbage a lot of latinos say they re voting for donald trump. who are you? i am not the guy trump. trump. oh, that s i say yes, my friends are going to kick my when i get back home. did i not? 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hello and welcome. this is business today. after months of speculation, apple has revealed its plans for artificial intelligence in a move that chief executive tim cook has called the next big step . the tech giant is to boost its siri voice assistant and operating systems with openai s chatgpt as it seeks to catch up in the ai race. it s part of a new personalised ai system called apple intelligence. here s our north america business correspondent erin delmore. the hardest abereaviation in tech these days is easily ai. now, apple is taking its shot at redefining artificial intelligence into apple intelligence. the company unveiled a series of ai related announcements at the world development conference on monday. chief among them a partnership with the artificial intelligence juggernaut, intelligencejuggernaut, openai. that will allow apple to integrate the start up s cutting edge chat bot, chatgpt, into its including a superpowered siri. apple s signature voice assistant will be available with chatgpt features for free later this year. other new additions include ai generated images and emojis and help with toning improvements. this is apple s big stand in integrating the ai features that have captured users attentions and company s big bucks. wall street has spent the year rewarding firms that have not onlyjumped on but rewarded it, like nvidia. last week, it overtook apple itself to become the second most valuable company in the world by market capitalisation. microsoft, which has its own long standing partnership with openai remains the most powerful. lets get the view of carolina milanesi president and principal analyst at creative strategies. what did you make of the big reveal? i what did you make of the big reveal? ~ ., , ., , reveal? i think what people were surprised reveal? i think what people were surprised about - reveal? i think what people were surprised about is - reveal? i think what people were surprised about is thei were surprised about is the fact that apple intelligence is actually home grown. so that is not what chatgpt is powering. so that is something that apple has created on its own merit, with its own technology, its own silicon and its cloud, to keep everything personal and private. where chatgpt comes in, it becomes a bit more like a table stakes of general queries that we have been accustomed to do and play with, which chatgpt and other services, is on its own chat bot. so if you like, you were talking about it becoming smarter. apple is making siri smarter. apple is making siri smarter and chatgpt makes siri more knowledgeable. 50. smarter and chatgpt makes siri more knowledgeable. more knowledgeable. so, the oint more knowledgeable. so, the point you more knowledgeable. so, the point you made more knowledgeable. so, the point you made about - more knowledgeable. so, the point you made about apple | point you made about apple intelligence, it is its own software chips, etc, etc. yes. do ou software chips, etc, etc. yes. do you think software chips, etc, etc. yes. do you think that software chips, etc, etc. yes. do you think that people - software chips, etc, etc. yes. do you think that people willl do you think that people will therefore, think that it is more superior? it is more secure and safer in some way? i think that they re certainly going to believe that privacy is at the core of what apple wants to deliver, and is more personal. there s no question that consumers across different countries trust the brand of apple. apple doesn t monetise from consumer s data. it monetises through hardware, so it is in their interest to bring hardware back. so the di phone for example. and we ve seen that apple intelligence will be available only on the latest devices that are running either an m1 on mac and ipad, or on the iphone, the iphone pro and pro max. or on the iphone, the iphone pro and pro max. how does this com are pro and pro max. how does this compare to pro and pro max. how does this compare to what pro and pro max. how does this compare to what microsoft - pro and pro max. how does this compare to what microsoft or i compare to what microsoft or google are offering? i mean, apple has been seen to be behind? does this now bring it up behind? does this now bring it up to speed? is it now possibly going to move ahead? your thoughts? i going to move ahead? your thoughts? thoughts? i think it s a very different thoughts? i think it s a very different business - thoughts? i think it s a very different business model. l thoughts? i think it s a very - different business model. both google and microsoft are in the cloud business, so they are in the large language model business, and they are monetising from services like co pilots and duet. for apple, everything is free because they monetise from the hardware. so it s hard to make a comparison. there is no question that being more personal will drive more engagement from a user perspective. engagement from a user perspective- engagement from a user perspective. 0k. well, it s aood perspective. 0k. well, it s good to perspective. 0k. well, it s good to get perspective. 0k. well, it s good to get your perspective. 0k. well, it s good to get your take. - perspective. 0k. well, it s i good to get your take. thank you for your time. well lets stay on the theme of ai the ceo of morgan stanley, ted pick, has said the use of ai could companies financial advisers between 10 and 15 hours a week. he told a conference it s potentially really game changing . lets explore this with will walker arnott, director of private clients at charles stanley. good morning to you. good morning- good morning to you. good morning. so, good morning to you. good morning. so, can good morning to you. good morning. so, can you - good morning to you. good morning. so, can you see l good morning to you. good - morning. so, can you see this? would that morning. so, can you see this? would that be morning. so, can you see this? would that be the morning. so, can you see this? would that be the case, - morning. so, can you see this? would that be the case, for- would that be the case, for example, in your line of work? you could save 10 15 hours a week if ai you could save 10 15 hours a week if al was really implemented where you are? we re actually own bid an american company called raymond james, and they really see the role of ai as not replacing human roles but augmenting and increasing productivity. so the first thing rolled out is access to co pilot, which is a microsoft product which helps us to review long documents and analyse them very quickly. but also, we have some preparatory called opportunities, which is released by raymond james, which when we get in, in the morning, we ll review portfolios and prompt us to react. and finally in the back office, we can improve productivityjust office, we can improve productivity just through things like when we re processing documentation. so i think that it will save time and will be a game changer in the wealth management arena. now, let s talk about apple from the market perspective. shares actually went down after this big launch, as it were. and yet, the snp500 closing at a record high. five of the so called magnificent seven stocks doing well yesterday. why was apple not riding the wave of this reveal of the ai plans? i wave of this reveal of the ai lans? ~ ., wave of this reveal of the ai lans? ~ ., , ., , plans? i think to be honest, it had a very plans? i think to be honest, it had a very strong plans? i think to be honest, it had a very strong recovery - plans? i think to be honest, it. had a very strong recovery over the last three months. if you go back to the turn of the year, there was a lot of concerns around the company surrounding chinese demand and the like. and the share price has since had a strong sense of due won earnings has rallied hard. so a little bit of profit taking after the announcements, but you re quite right, the big technology companies are really supporting growth in us market, and that s really down to the strong earnings we saw in the recent results season.- recent results season. now, it s a busy recent results season. now, it s a busy week recent results season. now, it s a busy week for - recent results season. now, it s a busy week for you - recent results season. now, it s a busy week for you and | it s a busy week for you and others watching financial markets. we have the federal reserve meeting starting today. of course, they wrap that up on wednesday. lots of thoughts of where they re headed. oil prices spiked on monday as well. brent crude still above $81 a barrel. and then us inflation numbers out this week as well. it s going to be busy, isn t it? ., as well. it s going to be busy, isn t it? . , ., as well. it s going to be busy, isn t it? . , ., , isn t it? yeah, it s a busy, busy week- isn t it? yeah, it s a busy, busy week. and isn t it? yeah, it s a busy, busy week. and you re - isn t it? yeah, it s a busy, i busy week. and you re quite right all surprises did spring up a bit yesterday. but over the year, they ve been pretty flat. we re about to enter the driving season in the us, which traditionally means there s a lot more demand for oil. but i think the fact that president biden will not want to see oil prices rising ahead of an election means that he s going to continue to release his strategic reserves and keep a cap on that. so i think that the oil price will remain range bound. and looking for, yes, we have inflation data from us. we also have the federal reserve where markets are still expecting interest rates to go up expecting interest rates to go up one or two times possibly this year, which seems about right. this year, which seems about riuht. ,, right. all right, goodness me! thanks for right. all right, goodness me! thanks for talking right. all right, goodness me! thanks for talking to - right. all right, goodness me! thanks for talking to us. - right. all right, goodness me! thanks for talking to us. have j thanks for talking to us. have a good day. we ll see you again, soon. here in the uk, we will get the latestjobs data in around 90 minutes time as pressure mounts on the bank of england to join other major banks in cutting interest rates. but economists expect to see wage growth of around 6% in the three months to april an acceleration which could leave a rate cut less likely over fears of the labour market fuelling inflation. toby fowlston is chief executive of the recruitment company robert walters group. good to have you on bbc news again, tony. so tell us what you re expecting? what will we learn about uk jobs market today? learn about uk “obs market toda ? ,., ., learn about uk “obs market toda ? , ., ., ., learn about uk “obs market toda ? ., , today? good morning, sally. well, it wouldn t today? good morning, sally. well, it wouldn t surprise - today? good morning, sally. | well, it wouldn t surprise me to see perhaps a small drop in terms of the number of vacancies, orat terms of the number of vacancies, or at best, terms of the number of vacancies, orat best, it perhaps staying flat. vacancies, or at best, it perhaps staying flat. and from our perhaps staying flat. and from your point perhaps staying flat. and from your point of perhaps staying flat. and from your point of view, perhaps staying flat. and from your point of view, as - perhaps staying flat. and from your point of view, as a - your point of view, as a recruitment company, what are the trends at the moment? well, we re seeing. the trends at the moment? well, we re seeing. so the trends at the moment? well, we re seeing. so we the trends at the moment? well, we re seeing. so we operate . we re seeing. so we operate in the professional services space. we ve sort of gone from what was deemed the great resignation coming out of covid in 2021 and 2022, and then we moved into the boomerang people realised that they needed to work and went back to employers now we ve sort of entered this phrase being coined as the big stay . and it really comes down to just a lack of confidence. a lack of confidence on clients, obviously cost of hiring, and also a particular lack of confidence with candidates, who are obviously seeing what s going on in the world and they are choosing, albeit anecdotally, looking to move the actual physical movement of people. we rejust the actual physical movement of people. we re just not seeing that happening as it was previously. that happening as it was previously- that happening as it was reviousl . , ., ., previously. does that mean we re in previously. does that mean we re in an previously. does that mean we re in an unhealthy - previously. does that mean i we re in an unhealthy position in the ukjobs market? because also, of course, the number that the government is looking at quite closely all the time is the so called economically inactive those who are not in work that could well be in work for various reasons? for various reasons? yeah. so we ve seen for various reasons? yeah. so we ve seen an for various reasons? yeah. so we ve seen an increase - for various reasons? yeah. so we ve seen an increase in - we ve seen an increase in long term sickness in the workplace. i think we re up to 2.8 million in february 2024 were the numbers. down to various reasons long covid, nhs delays, interest in people working from home and not set “p working from home and not set up properly in term of equipment. so that has increased. so we re also seeing a lack of confidence with candidates who. .. a lack of confidence with candidates who. and let s not forget, they went into the job market in 2021 and 2022. salaries were at a premium. we had inflation. that inflation got to inflection point of around 10%ment and then we started to see that clients couldn t keep up that rate of inflation in terms of real pay. so today what we ve got is low unemployment, candidates sat on relatively high salary premiums in the professional services space. why would they move at the moment? so we need confidence to come back. we need to start seeing enter prize businesses hiring and we need to see some stability in the marketplace. the marketplace. and, of course. the marketplace. and, of course, all the marketplace. and, of course, all the the marketplace. and, of course, all the political. course, all the political parties are talking about this, aren t they? how uk economy will be given a boost post election. we ve got the conservative manifesto coming out today. are you hopeful that whatever the outcome of the election, it will mean policies in place that will help to boost uk economy? in place that will help to boost uk econom ? . ., boost uk economy? yeah, i mean, i ll leave the boost uk economy? yeah, i mean, i ll leave the politics boost uk economy? yeah, i mean, i ll leave the politics to i ll leave the politics to politicians. but from a working perspective, firstly we need stability. we need a decision. then we need a government that s going to start looking at how we can encourage workers back in. so examples of that would be greater learning and education. we know there s going to have to be a huge reskilling of the workforce with the increase in al. and actually, we re looking at perhaps half of the professional working force having to reskill by 2030. i think things around how we can support employees as well in terms of cost of living right now are going to be really important. now are going to be really important- now are going to be really imortant. . ., important. thanks, toby. good to net important. thanks, toby. good to get your important. thanks, toby. good to get your take. staying in the uk the lack of affordable housing is a big issue and with an election imminent this problem is getting a lot of attention. the uk has the highest housing costs in the english speaking world with typically more than a quarter of disposable income spent on housing. so what are the wider issues in the housing sector across the uk and why aren t enough homes being built? here s our economics editor faisal islam. as the cost of living squeeze from energy and food costs starts to settle, there is no such luck with housing. mortgage and rental costs are still rising the latter by record amounts. this is a long term issue basic supply and demand as you can see at this new housing development in warwickshire. many of these new homes are going forjust over £300,000. that s bang on the average house price in this country. and we can see how that s changed over the past three decades or so no surprise to see that line going up and up. what has changed has been the relationship with affordability. back in the late 90s, five years worth of annual average income was more than the average house price. now, it s crossed over, the gap is massive and looks very difficult to bridge. it s all about house building. successive governments over years, over decades, have made big promises on house building, often not met. this is what s happened for england, over the past ten years, broken down per three month quarter. a similar pattern across the united kingdom. the conservatives made a promise in 2017, a manifesto commitment in 2019, to meet a target of 300,000 homes per year by the mid 2020s, so that s about 75,000 a quarter. it s only even nearly met in a single quarter, and that s because of a rush on green targets, then it falls quite sharply in the second half of last year. now, the government argues it has met a separate, lower target of a million new homes in the past parliament, but we don t have the full figures for that yet. the labour party say it will continue that target for the next five years if it wins 1.5 million new homes over that five year period. the financial crisis, the pandemic, rising interest rates and inflation all can be blamed, but mass house building has only historically been done when government funds it, and the parties seem to agree there isn t the money. in the 60s, local authorities were building a lot of social housing, and that has died down in the 90s, and without this push, we can never get enough new builds. and then there s planning. yes, 50, planning permission has therefore been refused. up and down the country, in lengthy councillors meetings just like these, now recorded on council websites. applause. ..there are the familiar sight and sound of new homes not being built, planning permission refused repeatedly. the two main parties do differ here. labour says it s willing to build on specific areas of the green belt that are not so green they call the grey belt. ultimately, both for buying and renting, supply not responding to demand means higher housing costs, the most enduring aspect of the cost of living crisis. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. singapore airlines has set aside more than a million dollars in compensation for the injured passengers of a flight which suffered severe turbulence last month while flying from london to singapore. the flight diverted to bangkok. at the time passengers recounted scenes of absolute terror and one british passenger died from a suspected heart attack during the incident. live now to nick marsh in our asia business hub. tell us more about the offer. what does it mean to the passengers? what does it mean to the ”asseners? ,, ., ~ , passengers? sing apore airlines have off offered passengers? sing apore airlines have off offered $10,000 - passengers? sing apore airlines have off offered $10,000 to - have off offered $10,000 to each passenger who received minor injuries. i ve reached out to singapore airlines and asked firstly, what does minor mean and how many passengers are we talking about? they haven t responded as of yet. i ll keep you updated when they do. but we do know that more than a hundred people were treated in hospital after that flight diverted to bangkok following that turbulence. so we re talking about at least a hundred people entitled to this $10,000. for people who sustained more severe injuries, they ve been offered an initial advance payment of $25,000 us. and that s actually subject to negotiation depending on how bad your injuries were. in terms of the actual flight, sally, i ll remind people watching what happened. it was a flight from london to singapore. it hit really bad turbulence over myanmar. the plane dropped 178 feet more than 50 metres in less than five seconds. when through all kinds of g force changes. people said it was an absolutely terrifying experience. one man, obviously, sadly died. and bad news for singapore airlines who had been doing really well financially up doing really well financially up to then. now they ll have to she“ up to then. now they ll have to shell out all of the compensation money. 0k, compensation money. ok, thank you for the latest. the oil giant, bp, has tightened its rules on workplace relationships after its former boss was dismissed for failing to disclose details about his personal relationships with colleagues. senior managers must now report any intimate relationships that have taken place with colleagues in the last three years. with more, here s david waddell. bp s chief executive was sacked in december, accused of certificate yours misconduct serious misconduct. he lost his jobs along with millions of pounds of share allowances and bonuses. in december, the firm accused its former boss of providing inaccurate assurances as part of 2022 investigation. they said he knowingly misled the board. at the time, mr luney said he was disappointed with the way the situation had been handled. this week, bp said it had updated its conflict of interest policy after looking at comparable organisations and good industry practice. previously, employees were only required to disclose and record family or intimate relationships at work if they felt there could be a conflict of interest. but this policy goes much wider. about 4,500 managers have been asked to submit any reports in the next three months whether or not they feel they represent a conflict of interest. the company said the changes reflect the influ especially that leaders have, and any failure of compliance could lead to disciplinary action. the chartered institute of personnel and development said that any relationships between managers and employees would be a clear conflict of interest, and should be reported as they could create risks around confidentiality and fairness. now will you be popping out for a run after this programme? maybe you are on the treadmill now. this week in the uk, it is bike week, and many use one of a number of fitness apps to track progress against goals when they re doing such activities. so the fitness world has delivered a number of devices and apps to allow users to take part in a growing community. strava is one of them. it currently has 120 million users around the world. joining me now is the company s ceo michael martin. i assume that you are a strava user. i i assume that you are a strava user. ., ., i assume that you are a strava user. . ., , ., user. i am, i have been for the last seven user. i am, i have been for the last seven years user. i am, i have been for the last seven years what - user. i am, i have been for the last seven years what is - user. i am, i have been for the last seven years what is that? l last seven years what is that? running, hiking, cycling? soi primarily go on runs, often with my dog, as well as walks, swims and cycling. swims and cycling. ok, this week is bike swims and cycling. ok, this week is bike week- swims and cycling. ok, this week is bike week in - swims and cycling. ok, this week is bike week in uk. i swims and cycling. ok, this i week is bike week in uk. the whole point of is to encourage people on to their bikes, to change their transport option from maybe going in a car to cycling. that kind of thing, increasing health, wellbeing. do you see. do you notice a difference during the weeks in strava. do you see a surge of activity? strava. do you see a surge of activi ? ~ ., ., ., activity? we do, although those surues activity? we do, although those surges during activity? we do, although those surges during weeks activity? we do, although those surges during weeks like - activity? we do, although those surges during weeks like this i surges during weeks like this are actually relatively minor versus the overall trends in growth on cycling overall. specifically in the uk and also specifically to commute. ok. specifically to commute. 0k, and ust specifically to commute. 0k, and just talk specifically to commute. 0k, and just talk us specifically to commute. ok, and just talk us through how artificial intelligence is changing what you offer? i presume you re going to be moving in that direction? absolutely. one of the things that we announced recently is our first products using ai. i ve worked with artificial intelligence and machine learning for almost a decade now. i ve never been particularly interested in the novelty of the technology, but i ve been amazed by its ability to solve real problems. and combining artificial intelligence with the world s. .. intelligence with the world s. with the data from the world s largest active community, i believe is going to unlock new types of motivation and get more people on their bikes more frequently. so, it s a win win from your perspective. there are those who say that there are cheats on strava. this is something i ve been hearing, in the sense that you ve got your leaderboards and it can be quite competitive in terms of who s the fastest on a particular route, etc. how do you counter that? how do you make sure that someone is genuine in terms of the data that they re putting in? that s a problem that they re putting in? that s a problem that that they re putting in? that s a problem that strava - that they re putting in? that s a problem that strava has - a problem that strava has frankly had for quite a while. it s one of the most requested fixes that the community has asked for. and given my background in tech, it s actually a perfect example of a problem that al is suited to solve. before it was very, very difficult to actually discern with great precision and accuracy what was a false record versus somebody who was just doing better than everybody else. but that is tailor made for artificial intelligence, and that was one of the other announcements that we made recently. that s the second way that we re going to be deploying ai second way that we re going to be deploying al to help people on strava. ., . , be deploying al to help people on strava- on strava. how many of your users are on strava. how many of your users are free on strava. how many of your users are free users? - on strava. how many of your users are free users? and i on strava. how many of your i users are free users? and how many are on paying you a subscription? what s the percentage? brute subscription? what s the percentage? subscription? what s the ”ercentae? ~ ., ,. percentage? we don t disclose that. but percentage? we don t disclose that- but i percentage? we don t disclose that. but | will percentage? we don t disclose that. but i will say percentage? we don t disclose that. but i will say that - percentage? we don t disclose that. but i will say that we ve i that. but i will say that we ve been seeing growth, both in terms of the free usage, but also growth in terms of our subscriber base and we re really excited. that growth has continued following the pandemic. and it s actually accelerated within the last year. accelerated within the last ear. , ., ., year. and i understand that ou re year. and i understand that you re moving year. and i understand that you re moving to year. and i understand that you re moving to try - year. and i understand that you re moving to try to - you re moving to try to encourage more women to use so what s the plan from that point of view? ~ , ,., , ., of view? absolutely. the women are under pen of view? absolutely. the women are under pen rated of view? absolutely. the women are under pen rated in of view? absolutely. the women are under pen rated in terms - of view? absolutely. the women are under pen rated in terms of. are under pen rated in terms of their activity in sport overall. and i believe that strava has a true opportunity here to actually make sport more inclusive, specifically for herself. so we ve announced a number of features intended to help with some of the challenges that she has, specifically things that would allow women to feel more safe as they go for a run or for a ride. give them more control of the information that they share. and i think that s going to be great for them. we re seeing the early data right now. just this year in the uk, for the last six months, we re seeing womenjoin strava for the last six months, we re seeing women join strava at twice the rate of last year. but then i think that those tools and those capabilities will also broadly applicable to others in the flat for as well. 0k, others in the flat for as well. ok, interesting on the platform as well. ok, interesting. thank you for joining us on the programme. thank you. thank you. thankyou. thank ou. ., thank you. so whatever you re u . thank you. so whatever you re u- to thank you. so whatever you re up to today. thank you. so whatever you re up to today, maybe thank you. so whatever you re up to today, maybe you re - thank you. so whatever you re i up to today, maybe you re going on your bike or going for a run enjoy. thank you for your company. i ll see you soon. hello, there. for most of us, it has been a disappointing start to the week, in terms of the weather. a frequent rash of showers, particularly across scotland, gusts of winds coming from the north, and in excess of 30 mph, at times. temperatures struggled to get into double figures, but it was a slightly different story, further south and west. just look at anglesey beautiful afternoon, lots of sunshine and temperatures peaked at around 18 or 19 degrees. high pressure is continuing to nudge its way in from the west, so west will be best, through the course of tuesday. there s still likely to be a few showers around, but hopefully few and further between. most frequent showers, certainly, are going to be across eastern scotland and down through eastern england. so, sunny spells and scattered showers going into the afternoon. that will have an impact with the temperature, 14 or 15 degrees, but again, with a little more shelter, a little more sunshine, 17 or 18 celsius not out of the question. a few scattered showers moving their way through northern ireland and scotland. hopefully, some of these will ease through the afternoon, but you can see those temperatures still really struggling ten to 15 degrees at the very best. now, as we move out of tuesday into wednesday, this little ridge of high pressure will continue to kill off the showers. so, wednesday is likely to be the driest day of the week and make the most of it there s more rain to come, but it will be a pretty chilly start, once again, to wednesday morning. single figures right across the country, low single figures in rural spots. but, hopefully, the showers should be a little bit few and further between and more favoured spots for those showers, once again, to the east of the pennines. more sunshine out to the west. temperatures, generally, similar values to what we ve seen all week, 10 to 18 degrees the high, but the wind direction will start to change, as we move into thursday. unfortunately, towards the end of the week, this low pressure will take over. we ll see further spells of rain at times, some of it heavy. but the wind direction will play its part, a little a south westerly wind means that we will see temperatures climbing a degree or so. don t expect anything too significant, because we ve got the cloud and the rain around. but it s not out of the question that across eastern and southeast england, we could see highs of 20 celsius. take care. good morning welcome to breakfast withjon kay and sally nugent, our headlines today. a promise to cut another two pence from national insurance as the conservatives launch their general election manifesto. labour say the prime minister is desperate good morning from taunton in somerset, one of the new constituencies in this election. we have been talking to voters about what matters to them most and whether they have decided where they will be putting their cross on the 4th ofjuly. former rugby union player ed slater pays tribute to rob burrow and says thank you for supporting people with motor neurone disease. in sport, scotland are already there. now, after a royal send off england are, too. gareth southgate s squad arrive at their euros base in germany with the tournament starting on friday. good morning. we are seeing some sunshine today but generally there will be a lot of cloud, some showers. showers especially in eastern areas and it
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oh, my goodness, no. i m very, very proud of it. it s been three years. we haven t found anything, haven t seen anything. many people have tried. many people are covering it up. like who? the president of the united states. do you believe you ll be acquitted am. this is a complete misuse of the criminal process to interfere with the 2024 election. so much to fact check there including his tie. meanwhile the biden campaign is out with a new ad that hits donald trump during a campaign rally he had in las vegas just this past sunday. take a look. because i don t want anybody going at me we need every voter. i just want your vote, i don t care. i m joe biden and i approve this message. short and sweet. in just hours the jury will resume deliberating for a second straight day in a wilmington, delaware, courthouse. the jury got the case late yesterday following instructions from the judge and after hearing closing arguments from both the defense and the prosecution. prosecutors lay out what they described as overwhelming evidence against the president s son. hunter biden s attorney argued that prosecutors had not met their burden of proof in terms of proving the case beyond a reasonable doubt. earlier in the day the defense rested its case without calling hunter biden to testify. first lady jill biden was present in the audience for yesterday s proceedings as she has been throughout the trial. hunter biden has pleaded not guilty to three felony counts tied to a possession of a gun while using narcotics and lying on a government form. it s unclear how this case will impact the presidential race, but certainly those close to president biden are deeply concerned about the personal toll it will take on hunter biden s father. joining us now anthony coley who previously served as the top spokesperson for attorney general merrick garland. anthony, good to see you here on set in washington. let s talk about the hunter biden case first. what s your read on yesterday s closing arguments? so here s what s so interesting about this case, jonathan, is that there s a lot of circumstantial evidence here. we talked a lot about the passages in the book and then there are the text messages that all suggest that hunter biden was not sober during this period of time. but there is no smoking gun. there s no eyewitness here, so you can see a scenario where a jury says, you know, the government has not met its high burden of proof. that s the first thing. the second thing to me is a lot of what s happening off the stand, the unconditional love this man is receiving from all of his family not just through this trial but through his period of addiction. and number two, this reiteration that we heard from the president last week that he s going to respect the jury s verdict, and even if they return a not guilty verdict, that he would not pardon his son. and i can tell you if the shoe were on the other foot not only would donald trump not make that promise, this case a case of a similar a case looking at his family, you can see a scenario where he would not even have let it get this far. you know, he would have practically burned down the justice department if an obama era u.s. attorney was investigating his family. and biden has been very hands off. and briefly, what s the rule of thumb in terms of how long the jury will deliberate? could we get a verdict today? we could very well get a verdict today. one day of deliberation for every day the trial went on. that s the rule of thumb. they could come back they told the judge we deliberated for a couple days and we don t have a verdict, they re split. we ll turn to trump for just a moment. do you think the prosecution proved their case? i m not the lawyer, so i m not going to render my verdict, but i hope that hunter biden will be able to move on with his life. let s turn to donald trump s probation interview yesterday. it s a standard part of the procedure, about 30 minutes or so, but tell us why it matters and that includes because if he ends up with probation, he s not allowed to associate with other people who have criminal records themselves, have spent prison time, and at that point that s a lot of people in his universe including just the other day steve bannon. that s exactly right. plus also interesting here are the factors that go into whatever report that the probation officer provides, right? and you ve got to imagine that they re going to consider donald trump s efforts to accept the norms and the rules, and we know from just looking at this case, this is a man who has violated the norms and the rules, you know, ten different times he refused to accept this, narrowly tailored gag order. so it s going to be interesting to see how this one plays out. we are now precisely one month from donald trump s sentencing. today is june 11th. that comes july 11th. this probation here scheduled yesterday, are there other markers, procedures or events we should be looking for between now and that sentencing at the end of the month. no, i think right now what typically happens in the process the probation officer will prepare a report for the judge, and the judge obviously is the one that s going to make whatever determination he feels is appropriate in this case. and we will see if that includes prison time. msnbc justice and legal affairs analyst anthony coley, thank you. good to see you as always. next up here we ll bring you the latest from the middle east amid new reporting the biden administration is potentially looking at negotiating a deal with hamas to release american hostages in gaza. it s not clear if israel would be part of those talks. plus, donald trump s repeat conviction in new york could means he loses the liquor license at some of his golf courses. we ll have those stories, the other top headlines, as well as a check on sports and weather when we come right back. a check when we come right back. sup? 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good morning, jonathan. it s looking real soggy in the state of florida for the next couple days. from west palm to miami and out towards naples interest 6 million people. i wouldn t be surprised if that expands and sticks with us through at least the end of the workweek. we ve got a stationary front hanging out in northern florida. it s going to leave us unsettled with a whole lot of moisture to tap into, and that means, yes, multiple rounds of rain, today, tomorrow and getting into thursday and friday we ll continue to see really heavy rain working in. with all this rain on tap we likely will see upwards of maybe 10 inches, 12 inches, up to over a foot to 15 inches possible specifically across parts of southwest florida, so we likely will have the flooding concern be there at least through the end of the workweek. this will be something notable to watch here over the next couple of days. meanwhile, out west it remains warm. temperatures triple digits in las vegas, phoenix headed to 110 today. el paso headed to 102. by the time we get into tomorrow this heat starts to expand further to the east. salt lake city 99 degrees. notice minneapolis headed to the upper 80s. temperatures way warm for this time of year, and we get the east coast in on the action, too. 36 degrees on thursday new york city 90s on tap by friday, mid-90s for richmond. the same goes for charlotte both friday and saturday and a warm weekend too for folks friday and saturday in atlanta. this is something we ll see last into the weekend. summer will be in full swing in this region before you know it. summer is here. angie lassman, thank you so much. we ll talk to you again tomorrow. still ahead we ve got new video that shows the dramatic moments israeli forces rescued some of the hostages held by hamas. plus the latest on a possible cease-fire deal. we ll be right back. sible cease-fire deal. we ll be right back. . supporting your - oops - energy, immunity and metabolism. and yours too! you did it! plus try centrum silver, now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. have you always had trouble losing weight now clinically proven and keeping it off? 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based on the reporting and what we ve heard from the white house publicly, this is without question the most concerted effort that the biden administration has made in this eight month long war to get to some kind of deal. they ve been pushing for a temporary cease-fire for some time. obviously this deal as you note has phases, the beginning of which would be this six-week cease-fire when hamas would release israeli hostages in exchange for israel releasing palestinians who have been detained by the israeli government, and then of course negotiations over a permanent end to the war and the withdrawal of israeli forces from gaza. what s interesting about it is the u.s. is saying prime minister netanyahu has accepted the deal although we haven t heard prime minister netanyahu say that in public himself. reuters is reporting just this morning hamas has accepted the deal and willing to negotiate over the details. i think what you re really seeing from the administration is a real push to bring an end to hostilities especially given this administration has come nod a lot of criticism for u.s. support for israel during the course of this war given the devastation in gaza, and i think they really want to get to a deal not just to secure the release of hostages and some of the suffering in gaza but with the election just months away, it s really critical for president biden i think to get to a deal. with the civilian toll rising and certainly there is the possibility of a u.s.-hamas deal and much prefer israel be involved too. you mentioned political fallout and let s turn your recent reporting how the war weighs on the president. you spoke to one family in pennsylvania divided over whether or not to support biden at the ballot box in november because of this very issue. tell us about it. this to me is microcosm of the debate many democratic voters have been having since the start of the war as you ve seen not just progressive democrats but a lot of voters who are part of the democratic base, question the biden administration s really unequivocal backing of israel during the high civilian death toll, given the widespread starvation in gaza, and this family is one of the many families split what to do about it. there are democrats still going to support president bide even if they re frustrated with the way he handles this war, also they want to prevent another trump presidency, but there are a lot of voters who i think frustrated with the way this war has played out and that the president has not just not been very critical of israel during this offensive in gaza but also the u.s. has continued to provide weapons and other military support. and i think that coalition or that constituency is really key because there s a lot of concern within the white house and even among the biden campaign not those voters would swing towards trump but vote third party or stay at home. in a key voter ground like pennsylvania where his family is based some of these states are separated by tens of thousands of votes. neither candidate and certainly not president biden can afford to lose any voters in november. certainly the biden team desperate for this war to end before november. we mentioned earlier in the show the jury is deliberating in the hunter biden case and a verdict could come as soon as today. we went through the legal implications then, and certainly it s reported the personal toll this will take on president biden. as you talk to republicans and democrats alike whatever the verdict is here, guilty or not guilty, is it actually going to change anything in the presidential race? we haven t really seen too much indication this is going to affect, you know, independent or swing voters when it comes to election and support for president biden. this is not an issue that is top of mind, you know, for a lot of the types of voters that biden needs to turn up in november, but it s going to be a key issue for republicans. i think it s something that animates their base and it s something they re trying to use a counterweight to, you know, the criminal charges against former president trump, of course, the former president was convicted in the hush money trial. i think there s a big difference, of course, in the former president who is himself on the ballot facing, you know, criminal charges and the president s son who is not involved in the administration, who has not held any formal role in the administration. but there is also this question of a toll it takes on the president himself that you spoke to. obviously it is a deeply personal issue for him. he s not going to be addressing it publicly. he said he supports his son, but of course i think he doesn t really want to he campaigned on restoring independence to the justice department, to the legal system especially given, you know, the charges against his opponent, i don t think he wants to be in the business of weighing in on the legal issues themselves, but just kind of going back to the big picture, you know, this is not top of mind for i think most of the voters who are going to the polls in november who it would make a difference, but it is something i think certainly a political issue that republicans are going to try and leverage and maybe use as a distraction. yeah, whether to say guilty the biden family is corrupt or not guilty, the justice system is rigged against republicans. covered a lot of ground this morning. sabrina siddiqui, thank you for being here. we appreciate it. next up we ll go live to cnbc for an early look what s driving wall street as investors await the federal reserve s decision on interest rates. plus apple joins the artificial intelligence race. what we re learning about the new technology the iphone maker plans to offer when we come right back. e maker plans to offer when we come right back [coughing] copd hasn t been pretty. it s tough to breathe and tough to keep wondering if this is as good as it gets. but trelegy has shown me that there s still beauty and breath to be had. because with three medicines in one inhaler, trelegy keeps my airways open and prevents future flare-ups. and with one dose a day, trelegy improves lung function so i can breathe more freely all day and night. trelegy won t replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. do not take trelegy more than prescribed. trelegy may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. what a wonderful world ask your doctor about once-daily trelegy for copd because breathing should be beautiful. so this is pickleball? 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yeah, good morning, john. look, certainly the impact then of this fed policy meeting will be quite significant for this market picture, right? because it determines ultimately what does the rate cut in policy pretty much look like? how all the data has culminated so far and you saw just last week friday that hot jobs report being the labor market still looked pretty robust, 270,000 jobs still being created. all of that plus the growth projection, the inflation trajectory remaining a bit sticky, although there seems to be a drop, though. has all that data meant the fed is little more comfortable with cutting interest rates a little bit later on this year? or are they still in wait and see mode? and how much more data dependent will it be? all of that has meant the market is pretty nervous ahead of this meeting and has remained pretty negative to start things off, although it is close to that flat line. so apple as we just teased has announced a major push into a.i. with a huge impact on how we all could use our iphones. so what have we learned so far as to how this company s going to use artificial intelligence. well, if you like emojis, you can use the as a key starter. they ve also included their partnership with open a.i. which means chat gpt ultimately forms a big primary part then of apple as well-meaning siri works with chatgpt to formulate responses on answers and questions you may certainly have to the chat bot, which siri was known for. of course the big question mark is whether they d use that ability then to grow the data model and also be able to grow the number of people who actually purchase iphones. a question mark, however, is whether this will be enough to do that. not entirely sure. investors didn t necessarily feel too enlightened by the story and perhaps underwhelmed a bit on the updates. so perhaps not enough to shift investors at their price went down nearly 2% yesterday. and lastly shares of the british personal computer maker known as raspberry pie jumped on its first day as a public company. what does it say about the market for new stock listings? yeah, that s a fruitful experience for the london stock exchange especially. raspberry pie coming up here, it s a really low cost computer model company that believes they ll sell at least 8.4 million new computers ultimately this year. it s because of the growth they still see in this a.i. sector. they believe semiconductors will formulate a great part of their growth. and they still believe even though the united states is where you get all the great valuations of companies, that investors will find you wherever you are as long as you re a great company. that s according to the ceo evan upton. that s the belief of a company thus far going up around 50% on the back of its initial ipo earlier this morning and limited in that it s only been able to a few institutional investors so far. we appreciate it. arabile gumede live from london, thank you again. next up here a controversial ukrainian military unit will soon be allowed to use u.s. weapons in its fight against russia. we ll dig into the brigade s checkered past and why the white house is lift its ban. more news from europe when way too early comes right back. s f too early comes right back. lp t high protein, complete nutrition you need. .without the stuff you don t. so, here s to now. boost. ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she s sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn t know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? 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yeah, i mean i think the administration deserves a lot of credit for the work they did, you know, before the russian invasion and in the immediate wake of it and building real unity with european allies and building support from countries around the world. obviously the war in gaza for the last eight months has drawn a lot of attention. it continues to take up a lot of space on the agenda for very good reasons. i think the ukraine war has grown quite frustrating for them. it seems to be bogged down in a bit of a stalemate, so there are real questions about what will happen next there, although, president biden continues to make clear that the u.s. is going to be there, you know, supporting ukraine in the long haul. well, this is all happening in the midst of, you know, of a presidential campaign that they would really much rather be talking about domestic legislature accomplishments. so let s talk about where things stand in ukraine. as you said a bit of a stalemate at the moment, but russia made some progress in their offensive earlier this spring but not a lot. they continue to pound kharkiv with weaponry. tell us a little bit about the u.s. move to arm ukraine and allow them to strike within russia but also do you see much in the way changing on the battlefield or is this eventually going to turn into a frozen conflict that might eventually lead us to the negotiating table? right, i think if you go back about a year you saw a ukrainian counter offensive that surprised a lot of people in its effectiveness. the second counter offensive that began earlier this year was obviously not as successful. that has brought us to the situation where we are now, and that was not really a surprise because in the intervening year russia had the opportunity to really embed itself to lay a lot of mines, to dig a lot of trenches, so harder to root them out. but during the second counter offensive, so, yeah, it looks like we are there hasn t been too much movement. it looks like we might be in a frozen conflict for the moment. i think the ukrainian military hopes that a new strategy of striking russian facilities across the border could potentially change that equation. obviously, that s an escalation. the question is, is it a wise one? the question is, will that meaningfully change the situation here? you know, the kind of theory of the case that the administration has had up until now is to support ukraine s defense in the hopes that that would put them in the strongest possible position eventually around the negotiating table. i don t think that s changed. the question is, at what point does putin have interest in a negotiating piece? that s been missing up until now. there certainly will be ramifications coming out of elections in the eu, u.s. in november, and other european nations in the months ahead, as well. yeah. executive vice president at the center or international policy, matt duss, thank you for joining us. we appreciate it. thank you. up next on way too early, we re seeing fewer arrests at the southern border. we ll break down the latest numbers now that president biden s executive order is in effect. coming up on morning joe, a louisiana woman is traveling across the country for the biden campaign, sharing her experience with abortion. she ll join our conversation with her story and why she says black women are disproportionately impacted. plus, jury deliberations resume later this morning in the hunter biden criminal trial. a panel of legal analysts are standing by with key takeaways from yesterday s closing arguments. also ahead, oscar nominated actress minnie driver will be in studio to discuss season two of her hit show the circuit queen. morning joe just a few moments away. it ain t my dad s razor, dad. ay watch it! it s from gillettelabs. this green bar releases trapped hairs from my face. gamechanga! .while the flexdisc contours to it. so the five blades can get virtually every hair in one stroke. for the ultimate gillette shaving experience. the best a man can get is gillettelabs. sup? 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there s so many ways republicans attack this issue, and something that doesn t change is the hyper focus on crimes committed by cry mai migrants in the country illegally. there s always footage from border checkpoints. it mitigated some of the republican messaging, and it said to democrats that biden is willing to do things that are unpopular with the base. i think that s popular with some voters who are on the fence, who voted for biden last time. it s not going to mitigate the entire immigration issue for him. republicans, you know, are the ones who killed the bipartisan border bill earlier this year. democrats have really tried to make that point, but have we seen that has sunk in, changed the polling? it hasn t changed the polling, but democrats have the argument. they could say, we know what it takes to fix the border. republicans blocked this to help donald trump. what is donald trump s answer? what is he going to do? to make the space for the argument is what this executive order was for. but, no, they ve not found a way out of this since really early 2021 when border crossings were up because biden reversed trump s policies. republicans have a simple message here, which is, do you remember all the border crossings when trump was there? remember migrants coming to new york, chicago, et cetera? trump is going to reverse that. there is nothing as simple democrats have. they have been showing they re willing to say to the migrant advocates in their base that they re not listening to them. they re going to adopt policies the aclu is going to sue them for probably any day in california. let s turn to primaries. you ve been following it closely. nancy mace, representative of south carolina, her election is tonight. tell us about that race and also what we re seeing writ large about these intraparty battles. the mace race will be hard to follow. she won 2020. donald trump endorsed her opponent in 2022. donald trump is for her this time. she has one of several races where trump has intervened in some way and become the issue in the race. that s intensified since the convictions in new york. this one is kind of unique. her opponents have argued that whatever nancy mace says, she s in this for attention. if you want a true maga conservative who is not going to ever make you question where the next vote is coming from, vote for me. that s her problem. across the country in north dakota, trump has a candidate today in the open seat, next few weeks in virginia. i was just there where trump endorsed against bob good, and good was saying i m the maga candidate, campaigning with steve bannon. the elections are still about who is most loyal to trump. you mentioned the criminal conviction of trump. we re ten days from that news. what are we seeing so far as to how it is impacting the presidential race? as you talk to republicans and democrats alike, we ve seen polls move just slightly but move, just slightly, to president biden. do we think that s going to intensify, stay where it is, or fade away in the months before november? we were talking about immigration messaging for republicans. this is even more coherent. there is no one breaking against larry hogan, across the river from here, but almost nobody else in the republican party saying there is something legitimate in the court decision in new york. that matters. you have an entire party creating the structure for swing voters to say, i don t know about this conviction. they re trying to move the numbers. we saw two weeks ago the hypothetical conviction in new york was unpopular. we saw a fifth of trump voters said they might not vote for him if this happened. republicans are doing, day by day, saying, ignore this, forget about it. it is an attempt to get trump because they couldn t get him otherwise. let s see how far we can kick these other cases down the road. it has hurt on the margins, but and a two-point margin could matter in the race, but it is not the size republicans are worried about because of all the work they re doing in saying, pay no attention to the indictment behind the curtain. democrats had some focus on it but less coherent or consistent on the issue. yeah. politics reporter for semafor, dave weigel, thanks for being here. thanks for getting up way too early on this tuesday morning to all of you. morning joe starts right now. unlike the vast majority of felons out there, trump was allowed to do his interview at mar-a-lago over a video conference call. 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thank you for watching. we were just talking about the summer olympics, it s worth noting, that minutes from now, we will officially be two years out from the 2026 world cup that will take place right here in the u.s. after 30 years, and you can stream all the action live on telemundo and peacock so get your countdown clock started now. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. okay, there is a lot going on tonight. the former president of the united states and presumptive republican nominee had a meeting with a probation officer today which is a thing we have to get used to saying. we will talk about what may have come up and how it could impact his sentencing coming up in a month. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro will talk about one of the biggest political questions of the moment. how should joe biden and democrats talk about trumps conviction and how much? we will start at the supreme court and a mountain of ethics scandal sick out much bigger and it got bigger because of a woman named lauren windsor. she is a progressive actavis was known to approach important republican figures every 10 she s an ally and make lettering statements and then record her targets making candid comments. comments reported at the historical society annual dinner, supreme court justice samuel alito offered his assessment of the political and ideological struggle in america. i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in no way that needs to happen through the polarization to end. i think it s a matter of winning . i think you re probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working a way of living together peacefully. it s difficult. there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. it s not like you can the difference. one side or the other is going to win. we heard in a vacuum by someone that those comments may not seem particularly striking but remember alito is one of nine justices on the supreme court. it is supposed to conduct itself with utmost fairness and impartiality in interpreting the constitution and adjudicating the laws and one of its justices, samuel alito, is telling a stranger at a crowded event that he believes one political side is going to win. that there is no place for compromise. following his time on the court, it s no secret which side he believes he is on. look at the past few weeks. justice alito has refused to recuse himself from a january 6 case and the trump immunity case currently sitting before the court even after reports that his home displayed flags with right-wing political symbolism including ago upside down american flag in the days after january 6. alito who built a reputation over the course of years as being tough on crime and unsympathetic to criminal defendants also voiced a newfound empathy for january 6 defendants of all people and donald trump during oral arguments in two cases. take for example the case of a january 6 defendant. alito questions the justice department use of obstruction stature to rescue people involved in the capitol attack. he suggested that if the court does not intervene, prosecutors could also seek to use it people involved in peaceful demonstration like those that take place in a courtroom from time to time. peaceful protest is clearly not the same as people smashing windows and doors to invade the capitol and causing members of congress, never mind the republican vice president of the united states to flee for their lives. in the face of multiple ethics scandals we ve all been talking about involving undisclosed is from mega-donors to members of the supreme court, the 11th hour has been unapologetic telling the wall street journal, quote, no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court period. fairness and impartiality in appearance and action are the principles that judges are supposed to follow. especially in the highest court of the land, and at least at some point samuel alito knew the. this into an answer to his confirmation hearing in 2006. do you believe there s any room for a judge on value or personal believes when he or she interprets the constitution? judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution and for that matter into the interpretation of statutes. that s not the job we are given. it s not authority we are given. it s not the authority we are given. that s not the job we are given. alito at least knew then what his job he entailed. despite all his actions and statements he also apparently cannot stand those who claim he s not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. saying or implying the court is becoming an legitimate institution are questioning our integrity crosses the line. he wants to be revered as an impartial judge. as this new tape and his time on the bench has shown, especially the last several weeks and months, he s more of a player, actively engaged in one side struggle to win. he has given every reason to expect this from him given these actions that also doesn t mean it s something we should or need to accept. the formal president of the naacp defense fund and the chair in civil rights a howard university and she joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking but as i listen to these tapes, i wanted to know what are you thinking as you are listening. we are all guilty of becoming numb two things. how big of a deal is this? i think it s a big deal. it s a big deal and the cumulative cents, as you point out, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air not surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions, but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision, we have heard him in similar ways. what is it that s disturbing about this particular excerpt of this conversation, there are two things i think. one, the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who we didn t know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it was when she said we have to work to move this country back towards godliness. he said, i agree with you. that to me is a very shocking statement. i do not think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and we need to return to some period in which things were more moral and he was agreeing with her. i do not know what period they were referring to. a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk of keeping black people out of schools. what was the time period? i think all of this, the reason why it s important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard and justice alito raised it himself when he refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. he said because a reasonable person knowing all the facts, that s what he said about the flag controversy. when we probe, we realize we do not know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily the accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave a line that does not add up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice is not impartial. that is the standard for recusal, but we will never get there unless parties actual file motions to recuse. that s why i am hoping this will show the united states which is the party and trump privilege case and others that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices and we will not get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they will not do it. we need to get serious. we also need hearings from the senate judiciary committee to get to the bottom of this. this is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming, and it s not illegitimate to question the legitimacy of the court when we have had this barrage across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. yeah. one of the things it was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today that he said in 2023 and then talk about it with you. it s easy to blame the media, but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. and so, they have really eroded trust in the court. i mean it s pretty rich given his actions and his own words. it s not the first time he s blamed someone else. his wife, everyone attacking him. what is that about? i want to ask you, what should people be doing if they are outraged about this as well? i find this mortifying. i am embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas when he talks about the nastiness in washington, d.c. and we hear what alito. it s the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no, s the stream preet supreme court that eroded trust. this teenage refusal to take responsibility for their actions is incredibly alarming and disturbing. i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running an institution and something extraordinary happened that like the dobbs case which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, a decision was leaked to the public. i wouldn t just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it. as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect, look at themselves. why you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? he s making them now that he has been found out. it has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. the media has been quite kind to the supreme court including around the flag issue which we didn t hear until three years later. it is not the media and the justices have to stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in. when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much weaker than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court. i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules they have to follow and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court, and they should do so. we cannot blame this on the justices. we can t blame it on trump. we can t blame it on anything else but the belief that norms are not. they are not they are not enough and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of the nation s highest court. the norms are no more. lots of homework including from chief roberts. sherrilyn ifill, thank you for joining me. coming up, pennsylvania governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about terms conviction and his promises of revenge. the former president of the presumptive nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. it doesn t get normal to say. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it can affect his sentencing. what is cirkul? 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i think what you probably saw, and it s only 30 minutes. it s a short interview, but you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to trotta highlight positive aspects of donald trump s character that they think are mitigating circumstances and things they think are going to show he is dashes supervision. his criminal conduct which he denies, there s no victim here. i think the probation officer needs to look closer because her are victims. the american people were victims by not getting information that he was paying off the adult film star that could have affected the election outcome. other things he will focus on, i was a former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and should take that into account and that s mitigating. he committed some of this crime , signing those checks, to reimburse michael cohen from the oval office. you can argue it s an aggravating factor. he will say he s a first-time offender. who else is a first-time offender? michael cohen and he was sentenced in jail for the same conduct. he will point to the fact he is old. allen weisselberg is essentially the same age and he is in rikers. a lot of the factors i expect todd blanche trotta highlight in this interview and its going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the facts, the trial record showing all those gag order violations, to show he is not following the court s ureters and he will not follow the orders of probation so sentence him to jail. a lot of things to argue. i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning, i believe, during one of these meetings is whether the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who fall into that category. i presume he will say no. i do not know what he said but what if he does associate with convicted criminals? are the repercussions? there are. if he were sentenced to a term probation, there would be terms to that. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. steve bannon for example is somebody was convicted for criminal contempt and has a trial that will start in a few months before judge merchan on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, who he has not pardoned because he pardoned a number of other criminals, he has not pardoned, he would not be able to associate with and these are people that likely involved in his campaign and he would want to associate with. figure he will do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. thank you for explaining this to us and helping us understand it. donald trump is not going to be able to end democracy on his own. he will need help and lots of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff who has chilling plans. josh shapiro joins me to talk about the ways in which the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. ever since a jury of 12 americans convicted donald trump on 34 felony counts, trump and his republican allies used it as an opportunity to spin up their plans for revenge. you know. justifiable retribution against their perceived enemies. what s good for the goose is good for the gander. i encourage all my colleagues as a member of congress to aggressively go after the president and his family. is every house committee controlled by republicans using subpoena power in every way it needs to right now with every republican da starting every investigation they need to now? should democrats be in jail. should he lock them up in jail? would that be a terrible thing. but they want to do it. it s a terrible terrible path they are leading us to and it s possible that it will have to happen to them. so, in their description, as you heard, it s about karma. fighting fire with fire. that is the story they are telling over and over. it s the one far too many writers are running with. in the media, the story tends to be framed as follows. will trump seek revenge for his legal travails or won t he? but that framing unwittingly lets trump set the terms of the debate and applies he is vowing to do to democrats what was done to him. you see, obviously, there s a big difference between what happened to trump and what he is promising to do to democrats or anyone he is mad at. despite what he and his allies claim, trump was legitimately investigated, indicted, tried, and convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers. 12 everyday americans. there was a legal basis and evidence for all of it presented during the trial. what trump and his allies want is not that kind of deliberative due process. they are not trying to hold people accountable for actual wrongdoing. they are trying to reshape the american justice system to make it a tool to go after democrats or anyone who has done trump wrong. political prosecutions were major goal for the maga movement longer for trump got indicted or convicted. i was reminded this weekend, the washington post published a eye-popping piece on influential figure in trump eye orbit that you might not be familiar with. i had never heard of the guy he there. is a former director of the office of management and budget and his name is russ vought. according to the piece, he s a potential chief of staff in a trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist who departs at the heritage foundation project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch in a trump presidency. in september 2022, before trump got indicted or entered the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying the left dragged american 28, quote, constitutional moment saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to, quote, throw up residents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last two 200 years. in their place he laid out plans for, quote, donald trump to deploy the military to quash civil unrest, seize control over the justice department, and this is the power to withhold congressional appropriations. is just on his first day back in office. he s not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wants to reshape the system for the purpose of punishing trump s perceived enemies. last year, he told the heritage foundation crowd, quote, the department of justice is not an independent agency. if anyone brings it up in a policy meeting, i want them out of the meeting. this is the larger picture outside of the news cycle and latest public and cash republican reactions. the republican line of fight fire with fire you hear over and over again is really cover for a frightening plan to overhaul the justice system and the executive branch at large. by the way, it predates trump s convictions and indictments. it s what they ve had in mind all along. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro joins me next. switch to shopify and sell smarter at every stage of your business. take full control of your brand with your own custom store. scale faster with tools that let you manage every sale from every channel. and sell more with the best converting checkout on the planet. a lot more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. oooh! i can t wait for this family getaway! shingles doesn t care. shingles is a painful, blistering rash that can last for weeks. ahhh, there s nothing like a day out with friends. that s nice, but shingles doesn t care! 99% of adults 50 years or older already have the virus that causes shingles inside them, and it can reactivate at any time. a perfect day for a family outing! guess what? 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the system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws or we would we prefer where the president can prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them. the election will be about a lot of things. that is definitely one of them. joining me is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro, previously the state attorney general. i am grateful you are here. i want to start with i laid out. this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing but they are telling supporters is simply fighting fire with fire. you did something it to our guy and we will come after you. to me, when you look at the specifics of their plans, it feels like that s not the right description. it s not just revenge but a plan to reshape the system to go after their enemies. last week you said something that struck me. you said i am scared to death the fees in charge of the system. i want to ask you what you mean by that or what do you expect, what worries you what could happen to the system? i am deeply concerned by this system. it s why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge, back in charge of the justice system, back in charge of our military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. a cut and paste job if you will. i remember this from my time as attorney general, he complains, he bemoans the fact that he lost and makes up excuses and tries to pivot away from personal responsibility. i was the attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his allies took us to court 43 different times to stop certain people from voting and stop vote from being cast. he went sero-43. we protected the will of law and the people. trump wants to come back and as he said exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that are trying to get his perceived enemies should scare all americans. it s another example of the kind of chaos that he would inflict on the country if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law, respects our institutions. trump tried to undermine our faith in one another and faith in the institutions. we didn t let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope we don t let him get away with it in 2024 and i will do everything in my power to ensure he is not successful and our institutions stand and hold. let me ask you about something you alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think when people hear that, they think it s a reshuffling of the government. what does it mean? i talked about russ vought, this figure in trump s world. he could be his chief of staff. who s. this is a man who has openly said he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i want to ask you, what is the danger of that? sometimes it feels like bureaucracy but it s more than that. it s a lot more than bureaucracy. it s dangerous if he controls the bureaucracy as well. think of the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who did not do anything wrong but are his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with. the products they are selling the manner in which they are conducting themselves. to use the justice department to strip away people s liberties and rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts. essentially, have his way with the good people of this nation, which should scare everybody. in 2016 after donald trump was running, he and most people didn t know what they were doing and there were a few people around him the provided guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people who might provide those guardrails, they are gone and a lot of the dangers people around him know how the bureaucracy works. knows how the justice system works and knows how the military works. if he is given the opportunity to lead the nation again with this people around him who want to do real danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that s not the chaos we want in this country. it s the people who know how to manipulate it and the plans being written and a lot are online. keeping with the legal discussion, want to ask about the supreme court. we talked about the supreme court and justice samuel alito and this audio where he agreed there should be a fight to return the country to a place of godliness. this comes on the heels of reporting of a flag outside his house that s associated with january 6 and serious ethical scandals around thomas. lots of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i want to ask you, what is the solution? remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away a woman s right to choose. in order to meet my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today than they were born with. this is purposeful on donald trump s part to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people who have their own agendas. justice alito is showing his agenda. by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. you want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito s and clarence thomas s to the court? you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? justice thomas wrote in that opinion that abortion is really just the beginning. the fundamental reasoning, foundational reasoning used to overturn it could be applied in other ways. could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love and undermine her ability to take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i fear this was just the beginning and of donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again, but more those justices on the court, it will not only set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in this election. while donald trump and joe biden s names are on the ballot, and it s a binary choice. don t let anybody tell you there are others on the ballot who have no chance of winning. it s a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden, but in many ways it s not about those two. it s about the country we want for ourselves whether we value freedom, whether we care about our institutions, whether we believe that we have to move forward to brighter days are go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and reflection on all of us and we have a responsibility to turn out and get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we ve seen on the supreme court and in the white house with trump and instead stand up for freedom. stand up for our fundamental values that continue to move the country forward. i have to ask you about pennsylvania. in addition to a legal expert, you are a governor and you know your state well. it has not been that long since these convictions stash we have seen impact in the polls. there s a lot of things on the ballot and on voters minds. is you talk to voters, do you think trump s convictions is going to be an issue that will influence people to are on the fence or have it come to joe biden at this point in your state? i don t know how the conviction will ultimately play out. the good people of pennsylvania, they care whether in rural or urban or suburban communities about basic things. they want good schools. safe communities. economic opportunities and they want their freedoms to be protected. you know what? i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a bunch of whining about this country. i think trump has to quit whining and trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than ever before in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world, and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than at any other time in the nation my ski history. i ve got a message to donald trump and his negativity and whining, stop talking about america. it s the greatest country on earth and it s time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. understand we ve got a whole lot going for us, and it s time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. not listen to the whining of the former president and instead focus on a positive future for all of us. quit your whining. that s a good message. thank you so much. i always enjoy talking to you. big story to tell. i take once-daily jardiance at each day s staaart. as time went on it was easy to seeee, i m lowering my a1c! jardiance works twenty-four seven in your body to flush out some sugar. and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. you may have an increased risk for lower limb loss. call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection in your legs or feet. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. jardiance is really swell the little pill with a big story to tell! we don t know how many americans will be moved by donald trump s conviction when it s all said and done. there are some early signs that the verdict be swaying some former trump voters. this is what we heard from two time trump voters in a focus group. criminals should not be in charge. if they violate the laws, then they should be subject to exactly the same rose that all of us expected to abide to. he should serve jail time. penalty for the crime. they will negotiate and renegotiate and maybe he won t serve time, but he will get more time on television right here at election time. to underscore, that s two time trump voters saying lock him up. you just saw sarah, she conducted the focus group you just heard. dan is a former communications director for president barack obama. i want to start with the thing stash we only played one clip but that was from the two time trump voters who want trump held accountable it sounds like. the big leap year is they want him to be held accountable but are they turned off by trump or will they vote for biden instead or do we know that yet? in this particular group, five of the nine people in the group all of them two time trump voters, five were going to vote for biden. i think there s a lot of people who think somebody who voted for donald trump twice seem like a long shot for getting them to vote for biden. it s important to understand that for a section of voters who held their nose and vote for donald trump twice, and then saw what happened on january 6, saw donald trump s claims and lies about the election, they were already that was a redline for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from, and i hear this a lot from two time trump voters who are really upset by january 6, i m not going to vote or i will leave it blank. for some voters with the conviction did as he got them to a place where they said this guy is unfit to be in the white house so i will vote for biden not because i want to vote for him or because i want to vote for a democrat because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection especially with swing voters who are center-right, for them you re not building a pro joe biden coalition. you re building a anti-trump coalition. as trump gets back in people s consciousness which is a lot of what s happening with the conviction, people are remembering, i don t like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters before they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they do not like about trump. it so interesting to watch her focus groups. dan, you and i know well there s big moments in campaigns. we have seen the campaign sharpening the rhetoric around the convictions. there s a difference between what the campaign says, and what the candidates say. when you look to the debate coming up, a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to those voters and base voters who are not excited. what is the right framing of language? the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. calling him convicted felon as many times as possible and trying to win again points. that s not a good use. the conviction is a critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus groups tell us we should be telling about trump which is he is in this for himself. he is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy and help himself and his rich friends and exact revenge on enemies. that me first attitude is what got him in trouble to begin with. you have to take this conviction, it caused people to break out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention then tell it to use to talk the broader story. use it in a disciplined, calm way that does not allow trump to drag you when the mud. that makes sense to me. sarah, i want to ask a similar question. there s a couple different audiences biden has to appeal to. is there anything that the president could say during the debate about the convictions that would turn them off? anything that would be a trigger about it? when it comes to swing voters, the thing for biden is not the message. it s how he says it. for them, they want to see joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. this is where trump wins often times. he has lunatic energy that makes him seem more the fishes, more aggressive, and sometimes when you listen to voters as they get into the strong weak framing where trump is bad and strong but biden is okay but weak. he has to show some strength. he cannot just say conviction over and over but he has to go on offense. the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show he is ready to go. it s not the name-calling of convicted felon but able to say this man is unfit and i am good to go. you ve got to show that and not just tell it. state of the union energy. it s about the vibes i am hearing. i want to ask about your sub stack encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should subscribe to it. it. hi, i m amanda and i lost 37 pounds with golo. so i m a hair stylist and i m on my feet all of the time. with golo i have more energy. i m able to work and stand on my feet 10 hours a day and to me golo means a happier life a more successful life. a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! with absorbine pro, pain won t hold you back from your passions. it s the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. that does it for me tonight. tonight. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d-day invasion, they opened up a new west
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the georgia congressional candidate who just walked off the stage in the middle of a debate all right 6:00 a.m. here in washington alive. look at the us capitol on this tuesday morning good morning, everyone and kasie hunt. it s wonderful to have you with us samuel alito s private beliefs apparently exposed in a secretly recorded audio tape, the conservative supreme court justice seeming to endorse a fight to return our country to a place of godliness and quote it was a liberal activist and filmmaker who secretly recorded the justice and his wife at a supreme court historical society dinner earlier this month people in this country, we re leaving that, keep fighting to return our country to a place the bottling names. i agree with important to underscore during that dinner, the activists misrepresented herself. she claimed to be a religious conservative the executive director of the supreme court historical society issued this statement on monday saying, quote, we condemn any sort surreptitious recordings of justice s at the event which is inconsistent with the entire spirit of the evening. attendees are advised that discussion of current cases, cases decided by current sitting justices or justices, jurors, pure prudence is strictly prohibited and may result in forfeiture of membership in the society earlier. in the conversation, the activist told alito that she didn t think that the right could negotiate with the left. here was his response one. side or the, other. there can be a way of working, our way of living together it s different because they re differences fundamental things that really can t comment so it s not like you re going to see what the difference a little hard to hear their finals here. molly ball, senior political correspondent at the wall street journal, meghan hayes, former special assistant to president biden, and matt gorman, the former senior adviser to the tim scott presidential campaign. welcome to all of you molly ball. this of course, i think underscores the pressure that alito is at the moment in our highly charged political environment where the justices are about to decide whether or not donald trump is immune in the january 6 case clearly, he s in a situation where he is responding in the affirmative to someone he is encountering at a party and yet the remarks are still illuminating in terms of how he thinks about things. yeah. i mean, i think as you said on the one hand, we ve all done the thing where someone approaches you that you don t know and you just kinda play along. you just sort of say you re agreeing with whatever it is that they re saying. i m either end it s no surprise to anyone that he s a conservative right, and that he does view, society as, as somewhat corrupted by a lack of godliness or i wouldn t be surprised to hear him say any of those things in a judicial opinion for example. so it s all pretty broadly consistent with the judicial philosophy and the political philosophy that we know that he subscribes to. i think also the fact that the recording is coming out tells you that increasingly the supreme court is being treated as another political branch of government. the people are sending trackers after them basically like they would with a political candidate monitoring their every utterance and looking through it for potentially damaging or politically useful bits of audio that, that can be used against them in what s essentially become a full-time political campaign. and that i think as we and others have reported, has contributed to a very high level of tension and division on the court itself has made it increasingly difficult to function. yeah, it s it s speaking of division on the court itself. i mean in this highly fraught moment that we find ourselves in as a country where there does seem to be this kind of looming question about violence. certainly we have had more violence in our politics in recent years than we had seen in another monitor campaigns with what happened on january 6, john roberts was also approached by this activist and he approached this very differently and it underscores a little bit of tension on the court as molly was just touching on. again, john roberts, appointed by george w bush. he is the chief justice. he is also a conservative but has carved out a much different kind of role for him self on the court. so when he was approached by this activist and some of these same themes of godliness. the question i believe was is the us a christian nation? here s how john roberts responded since i put here a little 20 years, i ve been quieter times but the idea that the court is in the middle of a lot of tumultuous stuff going on. that s nothing new. the civil war, we did that very vietnam. you people getting killed and i was there. this is all right. i mean, it s it s not all right. but it s not like it s dramatic medically different people that s a common thing. people, their own perspective like this is so slow ordinary i don t know. heed the christian nation question. robert s actually responded that he has jewish friends, muslim friends who might disagree with that. he went on to talk about it a little bit, but megan haze, there. he was saying he was talking about other cataclysmic periods in our history, the civil war vietnam basically saying that we re going to be all right in the end. what is your view of all of this? and the way it s an unfolded, but particularly this difference between alito roberts here. yeah. i mean, i do think that we re gonna be all right. our democracy is built to survive and hopefully it will survive regardless of who wins the election in november. but i do think that there is a difference here, and i think that there was a difference. if you listen to alito s wife and how she responds and her reaction system of the questions that she got are also extremely stark. and so just just goes to show how these justices are thinking and how that they are forming their opinions. and it is, it is quite different and it is jarring when you hear their responses. let s listen to a little bit of what martha alito also who was approached by the same activist again, here s a little bit of what she had to say you know what i want i want sacred heart of jesus flag because i had to look cross the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly and he s like, oh, please don t put several my heritage come after me away. it doesn t have to be away. debris don t worry about it okay. she also said that justice alito doesn t control her at one point. but you don t seem to admit their that he did ask her not to put up a flag in this case. definitely go we put the flag up let me look at this whole thing. i saw on twitter the person lauren windsor put up, that this is gonna be a big undercover storage tweeted out, tease that out. before it came out. and then when it came out like this, this is what this is. i mean, this was the same person that was the one reported by the intercept who sent the kind of democratic activists to charlottesville, dresses neo-nazi would tiki torches to kind of stand outside the glenn youngkin s yvette. but with the lincoln project. so i m not getting i m not surprised by this, but i will say that i think a lot of what molly said his right. it s also just his religious philosophy makes no bones that he s a devout christian now, i was at church over the weekend and a lot of those same themes. it s country but more about the world gold and sin and godliness. those same themes or what kinda prevalent. church, i m really not surprised. i mean, i think that the piece of it that i really i got caught on was where he seems to go on and say that there may not be a way to resolve these differences ever, which i suppose is part of what you re saying. i mean, it s it s again, i think we stepped back from the politics of it. i think the way the christians look at it is sin and whatever faith i m not putting it very eloquently. the priesthood better job in his homily over the weekend. but but no, i think that is more of the way that he was talking about it for me again, he s devout christian. i don t really see what the the big thing is, megan, but these people, i just think our supreme court justices sort of need to rise above this. and i agree with molly that like we ve all been in a situation where you just like nod and say, but he went further and then when his wife s comments, it just shows that like they re they re not viewing themselves as above and making laws for our country. it was his faith like it was not, it was not about politics. they re talking to say, it also she was goading him. she would want to introduce scholarliness into it. she was the one that he s just agreeing. yeah, i agree. like it s these ideas weren t germinated on their own. she was leading him. i don t agree with what she did. i think it s terrible and i think both sides do it and i think it s awful. i don t think we d be putting a lot more women pre haven t talked about project verisign s 09 and rightfully so i m fine, but the amount of media saturation i didn t read the new york times is covering this now it s ridiculous. who would never do this. it was james o keefe and practice, but that s not true. but i just think we owe nine we haven t done a sense so charade with acorn, that was the last time we actually my diary. i think we all project or testis sorry, because very, very different when there was a negative garrett ziegler who is sitting in court that clearly act when there was a new york times article on straight reporting, what was it ashley biden s journal. i don t remember it. like there was with this. i will be honest in this particular question, but i do think the big picture here. i mean, i think you guys are actually both an agreement what people should do is not correct this you know, i just i think molly to the big picture point this really underscores even farther just the significance of the moment that we are facing as a country, the role of the supreme court in our politics. it s been historically viewed as an institution that s supposed to be above all this i think those of us who cover this realize it s been political for awhile, but now the country is really starting to see that. all right, coming up next, donald trump meets with probation officers while his campaign asks potential vp candidates if they ever committed a crime. plus the dog days arriving early, millions of americans facing sweltering heat in this this is where i get back in my trunk and head make the southwest georgia. the congressional candidate who walked off the stage and went home in the middle of a debate hey, guys, i got spoken about got it right up do, we, have one to leave works all day? so i can keep working to take just one 12 hours of uninterrupted pain-related i ll leave you do you take it for and for fast topical pain relief, child leave x. this is a freemium hand 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the virtual interview and was described as polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers. that s according to a new york city official familiar with the interview, trump even told the officers to be safe at the end of the session his approach might have something to do with the fact that his demeanor and cooperation could influence the judge s decision on sentencing de the hearing comes as his campaign moves forward with a more shall we say traditional process of selecting a vice presidential running mate? all of them have been asked to submit documents to be vetted you re not at that level yet? well, we ll look they argue they ve asked us for a number of things. i think that a number of people have been asked to submit this in your taxes or something i don t know everything but yeah, i mean, certainly like, have you committed a crime? i ve ever lied about this have you ever committed a crime? a matt gorman? apparently not. okay. for the vp i know what we laugh. i know we laugh. it does it does make sense why you d ask that. i mean, it does it does. i did the first of that of paul ryan when it was selecting his vp we re at the point now, where you re bringing in not just the candidate, but the family, the accountants, the lawyers, and you are asking we were just trying to get to the central question. number one, do we know everything about this person that we need to know? number one and number two if we don t, what is it that we don t know and trying to get that. so the candidate, no matter who it is, can evaluate and make a decision because let s face it this way, right? we know trump is indicted on four things, felt guilty on 153 others, right? in the limited space, we don t want a new one coming out all of a sudden that they can t price in that they don t have an awareness of. it does seem like an acknowledgment that committing crimes as bad, which the president has so far not seemed to want to cop to i don t think they have formally conceded that point but no, i mean, to matt s point, it s less about any particular dealbreaker than about not being surprised, right? that s what s running processes for it s just anything that s in there. the campaign wants to know in advance so they can get out ahead of it if that s the case or just again, just not to be surprised by something, it s one thing to say, oh, this came up in his first campaign and he had a good explanation for it, or the voters didn t seem to care. and so it s known part of someone s bio, it s another thing for it to be, you know, late october and all of a sudden you re finding out that someone was arrested for a felony 30 years ago, that they neglected to tell anybody about, and it becomes a big news cycle. i will just say that it also seems to underscore the difference between donald trump and the rest of the political universe where gravity still seems to apply even if it doesn t donald trump. all right, coming up next, hunter biden s fate in the 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courtroom. choices have consequences. and that s why we re here later. hunters defense attorney argued the prosecutors case was similar to a magician s trick, adding quote, there is nothing there. joining me now from wilmington, delaware is alex thompson, the national political reporter for it? axios, who has been covering this trial day in and day out. alex, wonderful to see you how just catch us up with what you saw in court yesterday during these closing arguments. and i want to dig into how the family in particular is playing into this because my understanding is the jurors were told not to be intimidated by the fact that it s the families the president of the united states yes. so yesterday you saw bolt very lengthy closing arguments, i believe abbe lowell hunter biden s lawyer when for about 87 minutes and then the prosecution got two shots at it and they probably got about the same about 87 minutes. and to your other points the prosecution said, if they have not proven that hunter biden was a crack addict than no one is a crack addict. and it got a little chip between the two sides. abbe lowell at one point said that the prosecution had been quote enormously cruel two naomi biden hunter biden s daughter, the president s granddaughter, and how they cross-examined tr the government came right back and said it was then who put her on the stand that put her in that position. and it was hunter biden who according to text messages tom had been erratic and texting in the middle of the night and had i think they ve put it as said, blowing her off and so it got very personal in terms of how the family yesterday was the most family that we have seen in this trial. you had aunts, uncles cousins, the cousins, spouses. it was at least a full thing and it was interesting that both sides, in their closing arguments made you made allusions to the family. now, abbe lowell hunters lawyer has been really trying to portray hunter as a family person and has been referencing the family as as part of that that he is just i think one of you, whereas the prostitution is basically saying what? you just alluded to, which is don t be intimidated. this is not these people are not evidenced. these people are not really part of the trial how would you describe kind of the the mood among the biden family members who attended from what? you could observe it, what did what did that feel like yeah. i think they you can see a little bounce in their step after abbe lowell s closing, having just a fulsome 87 minute defense from of hunter when i think a lot of the family feels he has just been hit day after day after day for the last several years and i think i even saw bowel biden, the president, sister give them a go, give abby go, get them. right? right afterward. but after at the very end i don t think the family likes being at felony trial for joe biden s son, and you could tell there were certainly moments ashley biden in particular, the president s daughter and hunter sister has you been very emotional at moments in this trial having to leave at some point, plate lots of tears. and you can tell it s been harder on some than on the others. one of the arguments that came up was about hallie biden one of the attorneys said quote, poor hallie biden knew had to be dragged through this period of her life. again, who understandably did not remember a lot of the details well she remembering what she saw that day or dozens of other days when she too was using if you notice, she could remember what the prosecutors asked her. the prosecutors are also gave her immunity, but not so much for any number of things so that that i guess coming from from abbe lowell well, it clearly they felt like they needed to defend other members of the family. two, how did that fit in this been a key part of hunter biden strategy from the very beginning, which is to really try to undermine the credibility of hallie biden, who s beau s widow, who is also his sister-in-law. and the reason is because her testimony he is, very very troubling if you re a hunter, biden, the fact is that she was the one that found the gun. she and when she testified that when she went into the truck, she found crack cocaine, paraphernalia, suggesting that he had been smoking very recently, that she found powder that day, which also suggested he d been using am was the one that he was texting during the period he had the gun in which he said that he was smoking crack and this goes to a larger sort of dynamic within both the defense and the prosecution, which you at the very end of the day beyond the facts that case, i think it will really come down to you. do you relate to hunter biden or do you resent hunter biden and the prosecutor? the hunters team at basically wants to make you think he s a family man that he was suffering from a disease that he s one of you in delaware home grown. whereas the defense is saying no, this is a bad guy. this is the guy that what the little details that he was trying hundred $51,000 in cash withdrawal and just three months that he was a millionaire, that he was yael educated, that he gave $800 to his 24-year-old girlfriend to buy clothes for his daughters. these little details that are meant to portray a different sort of person and that may end up being the difference maker with this jury all right. alex thompson for us this morning. alex. thank you very much for that. meghan hayes, can i ask you, you know, someone who s been in the biden family orbit? how this all mean as alex said, that they entire family has shown up for him at this trial. understandably, but it s gotta be weighing on the president who of course has not made an appearance at the courtroom. yeah. i mean, i don t think anybody hit this table. be surprised. a hunter is at the forefront of the presence minor, it adds, it s an extremely challenging situation. he s a dad first and foremost, i think he said that in his statement, but i do think that this is someone who is an addict. he is a recovering addict right now and i think that the family is concerned and i think that s showing up to be supportive of him. i think that s what families do is show up and support people when in their time of need. all right. let s turn now to the 2024 campaign trail where donald trump de, virtual mark remarks yesterday to the danbury institute it is a conservative christian group. they call abortion, quote, child sacrifice, and quote the greatest atrocity facing our generation today trump, who just two months ago said abortion should be left to the states, didn t explicitly mentioned abortion during his remarks. that s an admission that for the presumptive nominee of the republican party says a lot about the politics of this issue in a post-dobbs, america. instead, trump said this we are a seriously declining nations, seriously serious and so sad. i know that each of you is protecting those values every day and i hope we ll be defending them side-by-side for your next four years. these are going to be your years so matt gorman, i mean, he obviously is trying to tell them something that they want to hear, but to not mention abortion at a group like this. i mean, it just shows what a tough position any republican is in, in a world where the protections of roe means that, well, if you say life begins at conception, suddenly are threatening. everything including in vitro fertilization. note we look at it, i think abortion is probably the best issue for democrats and it makes the most sense for him to run on it. and i think it doesn t make sense also for trump to give more grist to anything and that they re going to use against them already in a campaign. and i think what this is, i m more and more convinced that this an election in the sanctuary to come down either the economy hovering above all, an immigration on the right, abortion and left competing as the single issue crawl over broken glass type issues for voters. and which one wins out last couple years exceed abortion went out, could happen again, immigration has been very salient, loved what happens, and i think that s gonna tell us its substrate election. well, and i think the debate that i m hearing among my republican sources about how they and their candidates should message the abortion issue is very similar to it. why here democrats talking about immigration? the question is, do you try to keep it off the agenda and not talk about it in the hopes that you can raise the salience of some other issue, right. so if you re a democrat to ignore immigration and just tried to talk about abortion where you feel like you have a better message there is a school of thought, i think in both of these camps that says no, you have to go at it. you have to say to voters, i understand why you think this is important and here is my position so that they re not left guessing. so republicans have been having this active debates since the fall of roe, saying we do have to have a message for voters about abortion. we do have to have something to say to them. otherwise, we re just going to get clobbered and i think you ve seen democrats on immigration, the same thing. a lot of candidates have tried to avoid the issue, but there is a new conventional wisdom on the democratic side that says if you do that you re just gonna get killed on this issue. that is important to so many voters. you do need to have some kind of positive message, even if it s not necessarily going to be popular because in both cases, the parties are on the wrong side of these respective issue really interesting way to think about it, okay the house rules committee meets today to consider holding attorney general merrick garland in contempt. we re going to talk about that with a member of the committee recovery can ralph norman of south carolina plus donald trump questioning whether taylor swift is a legit liberal the most anticipated moment the election and the stakes couldn 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guilt.com today all right. 46 minutes past the hour. here s your morning round up. this just in the plane carrying malawi s vice president, malawi s vice president, and nine other people has been found. everyone on board was killed the plane went missing monday after it failed to make a scheduled landing president biden set to addressing major gun violence prevention conference in dc today, nearly two years after signing the first federal gun safety legislation to be passed in decades there you have it. rudy giuliani is mug shot after he posted a $10,000 bond in his election interference case in arizona donald trump s former lawyer showing no remorse as he left court do you have any regrets about what you did in arizona after the election? oh, my goodness. no. why not? very, very proud. there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history when just say there was no evidence of any of the things that he just said there, giuliani pleaded not guilty in may to nine felony charges stemming from his alleged role in arizona s fake electors scheme the port of baltimore is open for business now as the shipping lane into the harb fully reopened last night for the first time since the francis scott key bridge was hit by a cargo ship and collapsed in march from all those folks all right. let s turn now to capitol hill where the house rules committee will meet today to decide whether to advance contempt charges against attorney general merrick garland over his refusal to provide lawmakers the audio of president biden s interview with special counsel robert hur after her found the biden mishandled classified documents but would likely present to a jury as a quote, sympathetic, well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory and quote, the gop led push comes just a week after garland testified before congress, where he said this i will not be intimidated. and the justice department will not be intimidated and training. now, it s south carolina republican congressman ralph norman. he sits on the house rules committee a powerful one in the house. congressman. good morning. thank you for being here. my pleasure bladder be ready. so the attorney general, merrick garland has a new washington post opinion piece that s out this morning and he writes in that piece quote, disagreements about our politics are good for our democracy. they are normal. but using conspiracy theories, falsehoods, violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal. the short-term political benefits of those tactics will never make up for the long-term cost to our country continued unfounded attacks against the justice department s employees are dangerous for people safety, they are dangerous for our democracy. and they must stop. what do you have to say to his argument there attorney general garland is let s just say it s laughable. what he s taking party and he s not above the law. he says he s not going to be intimidated it s very simple. why don t think he s arguing that he s above you re saying he s not above the law in the context of the contempt charges around that that you are considering what what he s not above the law in is when congress has every right, an article one the whole committees that investigates the doj in any other agency. and what we asked for is the sense that president biden had an interview with robert hur asking for the audio tapes very, very simple. the audio tapes and he won t. they initially started back in february of this february 5th and we asked for the audio tapes which do exist and on february 16, the doj under the guidance of merrick garland said they weren t going to meet the timeline. they extended the timeline. so and then finally they came back and said there s no justifiable reason why you need the audio tapes that the biden has already waived executive privilege by printing the the interview so they re just want to tape to see if they match up with what s being reported. they redacted several parts of it. so but and it s saying he s not above the law. he s going to be in contempt. we will pass it, i think in the rules and will hold him accountable like he s doing every every other person has got an arb aside, their name and you re going to learn from the tapes that you can t learn from the transcripts the tapes were backup, will either justify what has been the the transcript say or they won t. do you think actually tampered with a the transcripts? is that what you re saying? we have no idea until we get them. they haven t. that s what attorney general garland refuses to turn over is very simple. turn turn the tape over, and so we can see if it matches with the transcripts either does or does it? and do you think that you have in the full house to hold the garland in contempt oh, i have no idea. we ll see what the evidence we will have testimony today that are probably last six to eight hours. you have a democratic witness, you have republican witness. james calmer well, it may be jim jordan, but one of the two will present what they re finding is, but it s very simple. turn over the tapes that will either validity the transcripts or they won t and let us see it congressman, i want to talk politics with you for a little while. your state, of course, has famously sharp-elbowed to put it politely, i would say politics, nancy mace congresswoman, who voted to oust kevin mccarthy facing a primary challenge today. could you underscore clarify for me who it is you re supporting in this primary. and do you think that mayes is going to hang on? i hadn t come out on either side. i know both. and i serve with nancy, catherine templeton was headed de heck under nikki haley who i like i think nancy will win this race, but i hadn t come out publicly for either one of them. i get involved in a lot of races but on this particular one, i decided just to let the low country decide who they want and net nancy s got a track record and catherine templeton has a record of so why once you endorse your college, you re not endorsing nancy mace. i mean, that s pretty normal worthy as typically y all incumbents usually stick together well, i didn t come out against are either. i just said let the voters decide and the low countries has a lot of different issues that they re passionate about. and i let them decide it and i m from the upstate and i did get involved. am involved with the timmons morgan rice. i came out against william terman s and but on the nancy may just decide to stay out of that sir, before i let you go we ve heard president former president trump. obviously, he has campaigned. we ve heard him say earlier in the show that america is a declining nation this is something that he talks about all the time. the governor of pennsylvania, which is a key swing state. he s a democrat but he had a different message about what he thinks republican should be saying about america. i want you to listen to what governorship hero said, and then i want to get your reaction on either side. watch all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country. so i got a message to donald trump and all his negativity in his whining stops barking. america. this is the greatest country on earth, and it s time that we all start acting like it i m going to say, sir i m a patriotic american. do you does he have a point president trump as does the american people see what s happening to america. he is exactly right? look at what s happening in this country. talk to the average voter out there who is very upset with inflation. they re very upset with the 13 to 15 million illegals coming into this kind. would you still the greatest country on earth as many politicians often have it once was the greatest country on earth. we in the rapid decline, it s not anymore three-and-a-half years of this biden administration. pardon me. it s not anymore in which country would you say is greater than the united states of america? well, unless we get our financials in order, unless we stopped spin in, printing money, will we cannot continue what we have been in the past, which is a shining city on a hill, and the director result of the liberal policies that this administration has continues to put, put the american people through immigration, is leading the pack on. this is he s breaking the constitution. he s destroying the values in this country. so i think the american people show that at the pose all right, i sold them have the name of another country that s greater than the united states of america. congressman ralph north on norman, excuse me, ralph norman, thank you so much, sir, for being here. i really appreciate your time. my pleasure. all right, let s turn now to this i m still feature when i walk in the room why wouldn t we talk about taylor swift? and we can talk about taylor swift. she apparently has a new admirer in donald trump. in an interview for a forthcoming book about the former president trump raved about the pop star s looks, telling the writer quote, i think she s beautiful, very beautiful. i find it very beautiful. i think she s liberal. she probably doesn t like trump. i hear she s very talented. i think she s very beautiful actually unusually beautiful trump, however, clearly seemed unable to forget his bad blood with swift over her 2020 endorsement of joe biden and throwing into question her political beliefs that she is liberal or is that just an act he asked during the interview, she s legitimately he liberal, it s not an act. it surprises me that a country star can be successful being liberal meghan. i mean, i think it s creepy the way he continues to talk about how pretty women are that are significantly younger in age, very much younger. but that being said, i think that he he doesn t want to upset the swifties. i think we all know what happens when that when we awake a giant of the swifties. but i think it s very big. part of why we re talking about her. madame mean, disagree with me if you want to but she is actually probably the one celebrity. i think that actually has the power to move inefficient number of probably right? yeah, i think it s a matter of now whether she would ever want to get involved, i think in 2020, 2016, were i think we talked to this couple weeks ago, different time for celebrities inject themselves some politics become political actors very different now, outtake donald trump taylor swift, like it s like the page clicks like big bang, massive forces together for this this explosion. i hope for it. but yeah, i don t think she needs it out really good about i don t think he needs to go out and like i support you biden. she was already did that and then also in her documentary, if she s already said where she stands on a lot of issues and like wind to our family and said, i mean, so i don t think anyone s questioning where she stands politically here, but yeah. so i mean, i think he gets kind of i don t think she needs out really get involved, but i think it like donald trump as like a celebrity, celebrity pundit, right? like a celebrity handicap or he is really encapsulating so where she stands in like the firmament of sort of pop culture, right? yeah. he clearly has spent more time looking at her than listening to her. she hasn t been a country star for a long time as my swift the daughter could certainly the idea that like people don t necessarily see her as a political figure. and that s why a potential endorsement for her is so powerful, right? because to her legions of fans who just love her no matter what, the things that she says are, can resonate outside that political sphere. and that s why i think she does have the power to potentially move votes is even though she does have this history of endorsed pressing liberal politicians and taking liberal positions, she is not, i think pigeonholed as just sort of hollywood liberal, liberal celebrity. and so she s able to speak in an authentic way to her following it hearkens back to a funny time where donald trump was on twitter like talking about robert patents and kristen stewart member that ten years ago, remember this is very much like the page six, new york celebrity gossip world he had spent 30 years in. this is almost in a way like a very pure version of donald trump, like gossiping about celebrities. yeah, no it s, it s, it s it s donald trump, maggie haberman has been cut yeah. all right. i will leave you with this oh like she s still got it. courtney cox, letting the world know. she s still has the moves that she showed off in bruce springsteen s video for dancing in the dark, the friends star joining a social media trend where kids ask their parents to show them how they danced in the 1980s, cox famously appeared in springsteen s 1984 and music video. jumping on stage to boogie with the boss molly ball has your daughter made you do this yet no could you better or worse than a by way waveshape, let s put courtney back first quarter me and her dancing. there yep, there she is. i mean, honestly that i think i could do that might be the limit of my abilities, but that i could do i mean i don t know because i wouldn t want to do it in public, but i m not do not checked doing matt either. all right thanks, guys. every much. appreciate your time today. thanks for all to all of you for joining us. i m
who almost batch steph curry in a three-point shooting contest this past february at the starting name, what is it about caitlin clark? it s not just that she s white. steph curry stood out from other great black stars in the nba because he played in a way that was appealing and relatable. shooting from the logo, dr. jay was more appealing and brought in more fans and his teammate moses malone, who was a three-time mvp because dr. jay s game was more flamboyant. michael jordan wasn t just great. he was fun to watch caitlin clark is fun to watch. yeah. and she is going to be a star pretty much no matter what do you think she ll ultimately be an alternate for the olympic team? i think he could be. i think that s possible. and the concern that because she d be reserve and she wouldn t play that many minutes and therefore, her fans would be up in arms just put the point out there, educate them it would help the olympics. christine brennan made the same point. more eyeballs and limping straw. a lot of eyeballs to begin with, but it s a global event. more eyeballs on those games. how can that be bad caitlin clark is good for the league, good for everybody. in the league. i shall be good for the olympics to it if she got there, she will be there yeah. thank you. great. thank you. as always. and thank you for watching news night. laura coates live starts right now. tonight, donald trump tries to rewrite the history of january 6, yet again, as he now re-branded those who stormed the capital plus trump s interview with his probation officer. what we re learning about his virtual sit down and what it might mean for his chances at sentencing and new tonight, elon musk mad at apple over there, deal with openai, the threat he s now making good evening i m, jim acosta in for laurie votes on this monday night for months, donald trump has heatedly referred to january 6 rioters as hostages. there s obviously no truth to that, but trump has spent much of his campaign constructing an alternate reality for supporters so they can believe a different narrative when it comes to january 6, one that paints the former president as the real victim of the 2020 race. the race he lost the race. he tried to overturn, but now trump is road-tested. a new nickname for the people who attack the capital those j6 warriors, they were worries, but they were really more than anything else. the victims of what happened all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that s what they were doing. and then the police say go and go in, go in water, set-up. that was what a horrible, horrible thing. and you know, that blows two ways. warriors, he called them a reality check. if anyone was a warrior that de january 6, it was the brave police officers to face their wrath trying to defend the capital. people like my next guess, sergeant aquilino gonell, who was attacked and beaten as he tried to hold the line on january 6, he s here here s with me tonight, and i ll speak with him in just a few moments. but sergeant good now, is not donald trump s view of a warrior. know instead, this apparently is people like thomas webster. there you see him in the red jacket. prosecutors say he swung a metal flagpole at an officer before choking him with his chin strap. he was convicted and sentenced to ten years in prison. people like dominic puzzle prosecutor said he used a riot shield, a police riot shields is smashed through one of the capital windows, allowing the mob to storm in. he two was convicted and sentenced to ten years. in prison for his actions. now, trump is calling them warriors. trump has openly mused about issuing pardons for january 6 defendants. if he wins reelection advocating for their behalf has become a hallmark of his campaign. trump isn t running from january 6, in many ways, he s running on january 6. as you heard in that sound, a few moments ago, trump said, quote, what a setup that was, what a horrible thing. and you know, that goes two ways. that goes two ways. he said, joining me now, former us capitol sergeant aquilino gonell, he was he has been campaigning for president biden in some swing-state he s also the author of american shield, the immigrant sergeant, who defended democracy, sergeant canal. thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate it. i can t think of anybody better to join me. tonight s talk about this. you ve talked about january 6, the injuries that you suffered, the surgeries that you had to go through. i ve talked about this many times, physical therapy that you had to go through. you could have died that day and when you hear donald trump call these rioters and insurrectionists warriors what do you think? what s your reaction is a impudence to the sacrifice of many of the officers who risk at all to defend those electoral facial from the both parties we will protecting both nancy pelosi and kevin mccarthy the same thing. same way. we protect chuck schumer s much mechano and all the electrification from both party regardless of how political views. so we were actually doing our job and to hear those type of connotations coming from the foreign president is a desecration to a service we of officer who validly and bailey, definitely the kaprow a day. yeah. i mean, certainly going to you and i ve talked about this. i mean, one of the things that worries me about january 6 is that people are just sort of erasing it from their memories there s a lot of talk about whether we have trump amnesia going on. it sounds like there s a little bit of trump acceptance in january 6 upset acceptance what do you think is going on? why do you think there are people who go out to these rallies and applaud and shear when they hear him call people hostages. and in this case, warriors i mean, it s these are the same people that claim to be supported. the police officers. but yet they don t see us. the capitol police and metropolitan police those who defend the capital and our democracy on, that day as such they see us as an impediment to what they set out themselves to do, which was overthrown the world of people on jeremy six. and part of, part of that is the same people who we protect it. they had sided with the what the talking points, the foreign presence says that nothing happened if it did something did happen is not as bad as we say, but on jeremy six, there were scared. so scale of the mob that they ran for further live in fear. and that s unfortunate because he s talked about pardoning. yes some of these folks, all of them, i think what do you say about that? i mean, it s it s very unfortunate. again, we protected both parties the same. we were actually doing our job and those people who are in jail right now has been converted. i have been processed through the court system some of them today we re on trial and they were found guilty in a later date. they re going to be sentenced and some of the same people who assaulted me personally i ve gone through core multiple times, 23 so far and two weeks ago, one of them got 14 years for assault, multiple officers at the same time these are the type of people that he says that he s going to pardon rising up, telling them they are hostile years political prisoners and who are we the officers to them yeah. well, i think one of the things that is really disturbing about him referring to these individuals as warriors is it s almost as it sounds like he s thinking he sending these people into battle. well than sending them off to war against fellow americans. exactly. and that s the other thing is like he says, i think the same statement that it was oh, i set up well, who invoke them? to be there? the kaprow in the first place it wasn t capitol police. it wasn t metropolitan police. it was in the sayyed arms or anything like that jerry six wouldn t happen if he had not told those people in the middle of december 2020 to be at the end the capital for jeremy six, because i worked several chamfer power situation anyway, know that that was happening. that event was the last point of certification. i didn t know that. but i doubt that majority of the people in the american people knew that at all follower knew that onto he said such thing to bring him to invoke them, to come here to the capital four general six. well, certainly going now we cannot ever thank you enough for your bravery. what you did on january of six, what s your fellow officers? people like mike for now and harry dunn? we ve talked to them so many times over the year, over the years i really appreciate what you did that day. thank you so much. we can t forget and i know you and i were talking about this before the segment. you d like to see a plaque hanging in that tunnel at the capital that you and others defended that day, just so there is this recognition? correct. and this is something that was passed into law two years ago republican speaker of the house, mike johnson, continued to hold that plaque. approval in committee. and i want that plaque to be put in place for the next president, future president, to say. so they could see how a group officer, the name, read the names of the authors who risk at all to preserve our democracy and a day and very shameful for them to continue to hold it up. the same way that they say that they claim to be supported the police. but yet well, another thing that happened was somebody police officers, the capitol police union put a a proposal for two count some of the overtime service that they had done since january 6, to count tours, their retirement and republican on the senate, they blocked. all right we re going to continue to follow that as well. we ll stay on top of it. certainly can now great to see you. thanks for having so much today, donald trump clearing a hurdle on his way to being sentenced in new york city. he took part in a court-mandated pre-sentencing interview with a probational officer. normally they are done in person, but trump attended at virtually from florida, were told that took less than 30 minutes at a source told us that trump answered all the questions he was described as accommodating, respectful, and polite. that s quoting from that source, the probation department did not rule out the possibility of a follow-up meeting before his july 11 sentencing for falsifying business records and joining me now to talk about this, cnn legal commentator and former trump attorney chimp tim parlatore. and former commissioner of new york city s department of probation, martin horn. gentlemen, thanks for being with us late on this monday night. appreciate it, martin. this was bit of an unprecedented meeting today. a walk us through the kind of questions that the former president was likely asked well, he was sure asked to give his version of the offense. he was confronted with the charge against him and asked for his side of the story he was given an opportunity to put forth any mitigating factors that the judge should take into account in imposing sentencing. and i m sure or at least he was supposed to have been asked about his family situation is financial situation his education is employment history whether or not he s had any physical or mental issues that would interfere with his ability to support himself and i m sure that he answered them in a way that was favorable to himself yeah. and tim, 30 minutes. that seems kinda brief why do you suppose that is? well, the new york state presents interviews are much less involved than the federal ones. and so in particular, when you have a case like this where a defendant has been convicted after trial, but they do intend to appeal. they retain their fifth amendment rights through that those appeals. so i have no doubt that his attorneys advised him don t answer any questions regarding the offense and probably hold the probation officer look, he s invoking his fifth amendment. see, you can skip that part of the interview and just go straight to family history and things like that that really shortens the process. and martin, how much will the judge judge merchan take all of this into account hard to say. certainly this judge knows this defendants it s rare in new york for there to be situation where the defendant has been found guilty by a verdict at trial 95% of the findings of guilt or the result of a plea deal where the sentence has already been negotiated. so this is relatively rare, but again there may be factors that a defendant would want to bring to the judge s attention that has not previously been known. and remember, this interview is confidential, so it s an opportunity for the defendants to share with the judge mitigating factors that he or she might not i want to share with the general public and tim, what about all the comments that trump made outside the courtroom where he railed against the judge, blamed president biden for the prosecution, doesn t that get taken into consideration? and i have to ask you when here from sources that trump was bribed as a polite and cooperative sort of thing that doesn t sound like the donald trump that we saw outside the courtroom during the course of that trial. what do you make that? distinction there? for one thing, when he s outside of the courtroom in front of the cameras, he is both defendant trump, but he s also candidate trump. he s definitely playing it up for the purposes of the campaign. whereas he doesn t have to do that behind closed doors with a probation officer, a lot of the things that he said during those press conferences wouldn t be relevant at all. yeah. to this interview. so in fact, i m sure that todd blanche said we re not answering any questions about his opinions about the judge or anything like that. let s just stick to his history. and so to the extent that they re asking him questions about his family history is education is business history? i think that that s something that he would be very very common, very accommodating on. so i don t it doesn t surprise me at all, given the narrow scope of what they would be talking about. all right. will martin, tim? 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i mean, he s he s basically saying we can t compromise, won one side or the other is going to win here. is that, is that how a supreme court justice should know? i mean, it would seem to me that supreme court justices, when they deliver eight, they compromise all the time as they should. and i think his comments, when contrasted two chief justice roberts are unmeasured. roberts was very careful in how he responded. these types of leading questions and, you know, alito was just at the very least, very sloppy in his answers, but i don t know that it revealed a lot other than the fact that justice alito has a very conservative viewpoint that came across, but he shouldn t be. necessarily articulating it in the manner he he just did. yeah, maria, this filmmaker, laura in windsor, we should though, she s the one who went out and did this she went on to say this to justice alito. we put it up on screen people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that, to return our country to a place of godliness to that justice alito replied, i agree with you. i agree with you. now, again, she was posing as somebody who was supportive of him and but she was able to extract some very notable comments and pretty remarkable comments. it is disturbing on so many levels because he is in a position we already saw what he did. he was the one who wrote the argument that got rid of roe v. wade. and he used in at some arcane 18th century law that essentially said that women should be subservient, that we don t have the ability to make these decisions. and what he just said to ms windsor i mean, it reminded me of i don t know if you all have washed your feet. audience has watched handmade, stale yeah. that was gilead but he was described as one thing i was terrifying. there s one thing i wanted to talk about and i don t want to jam the segment because there s other stuff i want to get to, but what s fascinating about this audio of sam alito is in charlie, you know this from these confirmation hearings that make headlines up on capitol in the senate when supreme court justices go through that process there, so choreograph there, so scripted they re told what to say, what not to say, and they re very careful and answering all these questions here is just like a few minutes of audio. got probably more candor from justice alito that we got during the confirmation process. yeah. i was just shocked by how unguarded he was. yeah again, these you re right. you ve watched these confirmation hearings and they are so scripted, they are so careful not to say anything that might impact how they would have to rule on some matter before them in this case? you just do that all away he thought he was just talking to a friendly audience here and was surprised by the by the recording. but again he s gotten himself in trouble for a number of reasons now, just because he s not careful. yeah. marie, i do want to ask you about this. there s new video tonight of rudy giuliani speaking at a christian event at a church where he speaks in very derogatory terms about the fulton county attorney, fani willis. let s listen to this then. i ve got to prosecutors. sandi the whole i mean, you know wow. america s mayor, ladies and gentlemen, that well, yeah. i mean, once upon a time. yeah. i mean it s almost unfortunate to even bring this up because obviously it s just a horrendous thing to say. but i mean, it also speaks at what in the world has happened to read giuliani the fall from grace was fast and furious and it you know, talking to so many people who used to work with him and know him. they don t know who this person is. they don t know who that man. i ve known this guy for over 25 years and i don t know that could all i don t recognize them. it sad. this is a man who was, he was pro-choice on abortion. he was pro gay rights and but he got swept up with all this. trump s stuff and you just can t is it something about there are so many of them. they just feel like they have to slothouber all over donald. it s like it s it s cultish is held. but it s also kind of want to be relevant to add and pathetic, like kinda hanging on kinda clam and he s getting older. you want to be relevant, you want to be in the conversation. and so you go down this row, you don t want to just be the guy that goes to denny s for the grand slam special. you want to still be invited to speak at events and stuff. i don t almost wonder if there s any sort of mental decline there because he had he s commanded such respect at one point in his life. is this all worth it now, like is this the legacy? the he wants to leave his family and the history books because he is now a laughing stock and he will be this is what he s going to be remembered for yeah. what what what a legacy. i mean, he had a he had a good legacy. legacy, get a good legacy going out and the throw it all away. hey, just to be in trump s good graces should have quit at four seasons landscaping. but you know, to your point, jim, he s not the only one i ve heard so many people say that the moment that they have come into donald trump s orbit, something happens to them. they leave their spines on the table. they leave their character behind, and they are there to just genuflecting the altar of donald trump. and that is sad with charlie s saying, it just, just to be relevant, it s just it s just but then there comes the exercise and reputational rehabilitation for many. once i ve done it, they ve been there the whole time and then they then they realized well, maybe i m a little dirty and i can t wash it off and now they think now, then they tried to make amends as best they can, you know, once once they re no longer no longer close to power, that moment says more about giuliani than fani willis, sorry. charlie, maria, thank you very much. i just had a jury now deliberating the fate of hunter biden. that is federal gun trial. and it was a dramatic day in court with one family member seen weeping someone who was inside the courtroom joins me the assignments are. going off and playing the tornado here i m thinking i m going to die and i thought that was it. violin earth with liev schreiber. sunday at nine on cnn lumina whitening strips know grok side, no pain i can use them every day if i want he what i want drink what i want, profit aluminium strip and l0 my smile is back on point easy is outdated. dmv has two forms of my id think of all the places that can expose your info, lifelong monitors millions of data points for identity theft. there s a problem. we fix it, guaranteed sentenced, you make a sale is now odd with race from 199 for a person per night. this is sad those.com or call 1800 sand if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with part sega because they re places who d like to be for seeker can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections and low blood sugar are rare life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin the perineum could occur, stop taking four sika and call your doctor right away at the symptoms of disinfection and allergic reaction or ketoacidosis find anything let me start when i do my friends, i can find anything with myself see something that you like we ll round it will be something wait. no, i m always hot sleep number doesn t match. can i make my side softer? 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that s pretty rough. great. i mean, the biden family was there, right? the whole entire trial. so first lady was there almost every day. his sister, his wife, they were their most days and i think throughout the trial, including on closings, they all had different reactions. sometimes strong reactions, right. i mean, i think one thing that sticks out is whenever they played the voice of hunter biden reading his memoir, particularly at the beginning, you saw real emotional reaction from someone the biden family, and i think today they went hard after the prosecutors went hard after his past drug use and used it in very vivid, brutal language. i m sure for the family to hear. so there was reaction to that yeah. tim, i mean, could some of this backfire? i mean, a lot of people have sympathy for folks who were battling drug addiction in the prosecution kind of going after hunter biden on addiction in that way could backfire with at least a couple of the jurors in a way that might. not bode well for the prosecution i think you can. i mean, it s something that we saw during the trial with jurors reacting to this they ve made him a sympathetic character, which is not something the prosecution normally, once do something also that they didn t really address so much during closing arguments, but i think that may affect the jurors is if you hit him so hard on his drug use do you undermine his ability to really think through and form the requisite criminal intent. so i do think that that could be something that would backfire. yeah. and perry, the prosecution during one moment, pointed to the three rows and the courtroom taken by the biden family biden supporters, including the first lady, saying that people sitting in the gallery are not evidence in the case, do we know how that played with the jury? and i mean, obviously that goes without saying, but how did that go over in the courtroom? yeah i mean, we don t write we don t know, but obviously the fact that prosecutors did that to me suggests that they feel at least that having the first lady right? the first lady always a pretty popular figure. jill biden is a popular figure, so they obviously were at least fearful of how that would play with the jury, right? this is a pretty remarkable thing. he s the charges themselves aren t the case is not it s a gun case, but the fact that you have the first lady, this this man s mom sitting there every day of the trial and it wasn t just her. i mean, this is, a jury of dealt people from delaware, wilmington city council person, a very popular are from what i understand a well-known pastor and wilmington as that first, there were lots of people that the jury could recognize and people do this all the time. obviously, they re there for support for hunter biden, but i don t know what the family exactly was thinking, but in lots of defendant s bring family with them, people that know them to show that the jury that they are loved supported person have people that early think they re good members good yeah. and tim, i was wondering about i ve been wondering about this the entire trial, whether or not the biden family s trying to send the message to the jury to the judge, to the courtroom. this is a personal matter this is a biden family matter what did you make of the family being there in the first lady i mean, being there throughout this case. i mean, it s certainly is a lot more sympathetic than back when i used to represent wise guys with their families there are but i think it is one the trump case. i mean, you saw some family members were there somewhere? it is. and it s something that if if in prosecution in this case is kind of on the underdogs politically with this jury, ordinarily said defenses, something you have to address. you have to acknowledge, hey, look, i recognize that there are these these passions and these things, but i m asking you as the jury to get past that. so i think that the prosecution was right to at least acknowledge it, but don t dwell on it. and i think that it is something that jurors look at it s one of the reasons why you want to have the family there if the family can be sympathetic. right. all right. tim perry thanks very much. really appreciate it in the meantime, elon musk giving a big warnings and iy is threatening to ban apple devices at his company s next you 19th, cnn celebrated juneteenth, his by john legend, eddie lewbel you robinson, we still have a lot of work to do. june team celebrating freedom and legacy. wednesday, june 19 at ten on cnn in an detect this. living with hiv. robert learned he can stay undetectable with fewer medicines. that s why he switched to nevado divider was a complete hiv treatment for some adults. no other complete hiv pill uses fewer medicines to help keep you undetectable, than davon detect this morning to learn that most hiv pills contain three or for medicines, devito is as effective with just two if you have hepatitis b, don t stop to vada without talking to your doctor. don t take to vada. if you re allergic to its ingredients are taking dofetilide. this can cause serious or life-threatening side effects if you have a rash or allergic reactions, symptoms stopped to vado and get medical help right away, serious or life-threatening lactic acid buildup and liver problems can occur. tell your doctor if you have kidney or liver problems or if you are pregnant? 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is this a threat? is that what s going on? it is so elon musk, just raise $6 billion for his own competitive ai company called xii and there s also some sort tensions and feelings because he was a co-founder of openai. many years ago, he left in 2015 teen arguing that they weren t doing the best at safety and data protection. and so you can see why he s going after apple now for this partnership. but honestly gym, the whole thing just feels really petty. yeah. why did he can t own everything? but when it comes to safety and security, does allowing open ai to integrate into the iphone make the product less safe? i mean, we know elon musk has he has issued these warnings. he was up on capitol hill recently saying ai could lead to an extinction event or whatever. we hear from folks who are concerned about this sort of thing. you don t want to conflate two issues. so if we don t regulate ai at all, yes, it could lead to some really bad consequences. but looking at this narrowly about whether or not apple partnering with openai is some essential privacy threat is not the same thing as it being a long-term threat to humanity. apple has rolled out so many different apps across devices. it has rolled out different privacy features that you and i are used to. how many times have you clicked? ask app not to track me. yeah, they have privacy measures in place and the other thing to note, jim, apple works with millions of developers anytime you re downloading an app in an app store, that s a third party developer that apple allows on its platform, there are plenty of sun security measures in place to make sure that it s safe. yeah. and we already have ai in our phones anyway. i mean, i was looking at instagram recently and i noticed, okay, there s an ai function on instagram, so it s there, it s happening part of the promisee, the privacy issue to jim is consumers have to be aware of what they re sharing. apple is going to protect your data from openai that s part of their promise here. but it s on you not to share anything that you think is so sensitive that you wouldn t want it to potentially be breached. they don t put your credit card information in chatgpt? yeah. and openai as deals with both microsoft and apple i mean, open ai seems to be kind of cornering the market here what are the implications there? so microsoft is a huge backer of openai. they own 49% of it. and that means that openai will be the primary company that gets access to all of its products, like linkedin et cetera. openai is also taking the lead on striking deals with a bunch of ip holders. think about news publishers, et cetera. they are competing against google and a few other companies. but really openai has become the most recognizable name because they re consumer-facing app chatgpt is so popular. and there s been a lot of talk at well, apple needs to make the iphone sexy again, it needs to make a cool again, it s sort of become like an appendage we re all used to having the iphone weathers does ai do this? does it get in the neighborhood of doing that, making the iphone more interesting? it helps. i mean, if you think about it in the us, jim, the vast majority of people use apple ios devices, but abroad that s not the case. so what they need to do is make sure that their phone is the best smartphone out there on the market so that they can expand their dominance globally. and then the other thing is apple is making more and more money off of services. so like payments that you get from itunes or from buying extra cloud storage or average pricing, because hardware sales have leveled off. and so if they re investing in ai, they re hoping you re going to spend more time with the app. they can eventually serve you more ads and all of their different functions. and they can up charge you that way. the thing with apple is and, you know, i figured this out. this is why i saw the iphone bove is because i got the screen protector, i got the case. i don t break it anymore. so they i m not getting new iphones every six months like i used to, but that might be affecting things. i want to work on that make them more breakable? 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it s stupid. stephen smith there, even the x account of the republican house judiciary committee posted quote, caitlin clark should be on the olympic team cnn sports analyst in usa today columnist christine brennan broke this news over the weekend. it was a blockbuster. she joins me now, christine, great reporting as always okay. i was saying before the break and i was told by the i believe i was told by the executive producer i m i show that i could on this show that i can give my opinion on this and i m going to give my opinion this stinks. yeah, this sucks. i m sorry. but caitlin clark should be on this team and i m sorry if i m just no way you re aside here, but i am jim. you re not alone. there are millions of people who agree with you. caitlin clark is one of the most popular, if not the most popular athlete in the country, male or female? well, any sport. and this was an opportunity for usa basketball to really grow the women s game. and i can speak as someone who s been to ten summer olympics going all the way back to 1984 when i started in kindergarten. and i ve covered women s basketball at every olympics and what you see in the press tribune at the gold medal game for the us women s basketball team, tumble weeds. most female sports writers they don t want anything to do with the women s basketball team. they want to cover the men or people are covering other events. you bring caitlin clark to paris and the eyeballs of the entire world are on her. the media coverage you re going to have reporters from all over wanted to come and see this american sensation, even if she only played four or 56 minutes again. and all the other players would have gotten publicity in the process. the headlines that they so richly deserve. why was she left off the team? i m still reporting that i ve talked to people. here s what we ve seen in the wnba so far. it s been a chilly reception for caitlin clark with some of the other players might that have something to do with it? could, it could. i reported i have two sources actually now a third who confirmed for me that part of the conversation in the calculation of whether to put her on the team or not? was and this shock the living daylights out of me, jim, was that there was concern that if you put her on the team and she only gets a few minutes of playing time her millions of fans back in the united states and radio shows and whatever would create controversy about. now, i laughed when i first heard that i thought that cannot be something that s being you say can we say bs can i say? what can i say it at this hour? how about say enough, we should be able to say that is how about that? i m sorry. they re not going to ask you to fill in for laurie again. that is like seventh grade going on fourth-grade. okay. the reason why she is so special and we all saw this when she was out there on on the on the court. she can he that three-point shot from so i mean, it s just unbelievable. washington du and the passes that having you and i ve talked about this, what she does on the court is remarkable. it s the high-wire act at the circus. watch or bring the ball down, the logo 3s rebounding may be more important, but you ve got five or six people down there throwing elbows and i m a tall woman. i was the one under the basket. yeah. but for the uninitiated fan, people who are just coming to basketball, which is by the way, millions and millions of people to watch her they don t necessarily know that, but they can keep their eye on her. the singular figure down the court heaving that three, the beautiful passes and it s just great fun to watch it. as i said, it is that kind of trapeze act. and that s the entertainment value that the wnba and usa basketball, i m not so sure that that they re thinking about but the team and about who s been there before. and you don t want to miss this up. the cohesin lock around it all of a once in a lifetime for women s sports, growing the game. think of the number. there are also other great players. well, that would get the attention. fabulous players that they have never gotten that as i was saying earlier, how about the 20 to us? i say jersey. how many would have been sold in africa, in europe, and asia the money that could have been made for youth development programs for getting more girls in the game women s sports needed this desperately and it s just a huge missed opportunity and christine, the other thing that i wanted to say about this one, i saw caitlin clark s the comments, the way she handled this class act handily perfectly, which i have to think is probably irritating the living daylights or whoever is mad at her right now. jim scene is taking this out on her, is 22 22,000,000,040 the weight of the world dawn staley said it took the microphone at the women s final game and said, you ve been shouldering the burden for our league women s sports. we have never seen anyone quite like this. i mean, going back probably the billie jean king, she s bigger than the 1999 and women s world cup. and the big winner in all this at the end of the day, caitlin clark yeah, she s handling it. the sympathy, the support that she has. but again, just think of what could have been in paris and the thing that i worry about and maybe you can tell me because you know this better than i would know. i have started to worry about caitlin clark a little bit that we re going to get into one of these situations where we see these athletes and there s just so much piled on top of them because of the spotlight, because of the pressure, it can cause problems. and we ve seen this, we ve talked about sport, mental health of athletes from naomi osaka to michael phelps, and on it goes caitlin clark has a confidence about her that is very much in keeping with someone born in 2000 to getting full blast title nine she is also so comfortable in insider skin, so composed. i met her for the first time on friday. interviewed are for the first time and i was even more impressed and i had been from watching from far. do you think there s any chances were running out of time that they reversed this decision. i i think we should predict i won t put words in your i think they re going to reverse this decision. well, they re announcing it tomorrow and i don t think they ll do it then she would be an alternate and there could be injuries. in fact, one of the guards is injured, right now and that could be tuition. to keep an eye on because you re right. there s such an outcry and i don t think usa basketball i know for a fact, having interviewed these people, they had no idea the national outrage that they were going to unleash. there s outrage, and that is i can tell.