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Andrea Mitchell Reports

this point, that all of these wagner forces who have borne the brunt many times of some of the most bloody fighting in ukraine are suddenly going to simply turn around and salute a set of at least military leaders that have demonstrated pretty much ineptness on the field. >> senator mark warner, chairman of the senate intelligence committee, thank you so much on all this breaking news. you just heard that we believe that prigozhin is in minsk in belarus. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." "chris jansing reports" starts right now. ♪ ♪ good day. i'm chris jansing live at msnbc headquarters in new york city. where is vladimir putin? we do have new video of the russian president today, but we have no idea when it was recorded. where is the man who put the

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nbc's raf sanchez is in kyiv. president bide and enpresident zelenskyy spoke by phone over the weekend. where do things stand over today? >> reporter: over the last hour we learned president zelenskyy made a surprise visit to the east to meet with ukrainian troops taking part in the counteroffensive there. he was taking selfies with ukrainian soldiers, handing out medals. he was wishing happy birthday to one of the troops. and the contrast is so stark between president zelenskyy out and about relatively close to the front line and what keir was just saying about this mystery over president putin's whereabouts. as keir was saying, president putin addressing the nation in that stunning emergency broadcast saturday morning and then this slightly odd message released today with no reference at all to what's happened over the weekend, unclear if that was prerecorded or not. so a lot of this war, andrea, as we've talked about so much, is about optics. the ukrainians are very, very good at capitalizing on president zelenskyy's sense of

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highly dynamic. i think there could be a lot of new developments that will be taking place. so i don't think the tlaet threat to putin's rule is by any means over at this point. >> john brennan, thank you so much. your experience is invaluable to us. we really appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. >> and we just heard president biden say that he and president zelenskyy will be speaking again either later today or early tomorrow after sunday's call that they had concerning the situation in russia and the impact on the war in ukraine and importantly on the counteroffensive. they also talked about the upcoming nato summit two weeks from now in lithuania which zelenskyy said he will not be attending if he's still being blocked from early admission to nato. on the battlefield ukraine's counteroffensive has been meeting stiff russian resistance. in some places three layers deep i'm told. but the deputy defense minister of ukraine says ukraine has regained roughly 50 square miles of land so far as of today. so joining us now, president

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for a moment, if you were advising the president how would you assess vladimir putin going on national television interrupting their tv and really for the first time in 23 years that he's been in hour conveying his vulnerability, his weakness and that there was insubordination in the ranks? >> i think it just underscores the weakness of putin right now. and i'm sure the people around putin are continuing to try to figure out which way to go. but the fact that putin would do this, i think it just reflected his inability to control the situation and to take firm and decisive action against prigozhin. i think he felt as though he needed to do something along those lines. but i think the coming days and weeks in terms of what putin says and does publicly, what prigozhin does and says publicly will give us a sense of where this is going to go. but again, the situation is

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zelenskyy's former adviser igor november cough and the former deputy commander of u.s. european command, lieutenant general steph twitty. welcome to you both. igor it's good to see you. i know a lot has happened since we last spoke. president zelenskyy says russia is in complete chaos after the rebellion. how does president zelenskyy's inner circle view both the past few days and how they can try to take advantage of russian instability primarily in the military? >> well, from what i know, andrea, first and foremost the situation as director brennan said is highly dynamic. so the assessments are happening constantly. the situation was incredibly dangerous because any chaos in russia with the mining of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and given what's happened with the kakhovka water dam could have led to unpredictable circumstances.

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but it's still too early to reach a definitive conclusion about where this is going. the outcome of all this remains to be seen. but no matter what comes next, i will keep making sure that our allies and our partners are closely aligned in how we are reading and responding to the situation. it's important we stay completely coordinated. and now i'd like to turn to today's announcement, begin by asking a question. did you -- >> director john brennan, you and i were interrupted, but for a very good reason. the president was addressing the situation, saying that they had been monitoring it, coordinating importantly with the allies, making sure they were all on the same page, that they did not give putin any excuse to blame this on the west, blame this on nato because it is an internal matter. and i can acknowledge to you just pulling the curtain back those of us who were making calls all day saturday and sunday were -- it was very hard to pry any information and none of it was on the record from any

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well, is putin actually vulnerable? he certainly acknowledged vulnerability. but he's not going to tolerate insubordination. he acknowledged it in a nationwide address, interrupting russian television. does the lack of political opposition and his control of the media, certainly the air force, much of the media, help him return things to the status quo? >> well, andrea, this is the most serious threat by far to putin's rule over the last 20 years. but i think we have to realize the situation is still unsettled. it's very dynamic. and it is highly opaque. so there's a lot that is going on i think behind the scenes. and i think that what putin is trying to do now is not to make the situation worse. he doesn't have a very good hand at this point. so he needs to be able to recover this image of strength and control -- >> director brennan, let me interrupt you. we'll come to you on the other side. the president is speaking. we want to go to the white house right now. >> thank you. [ cheers and applause ]

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vitality, spontaneity, and it may be that this trip was planned to draw a contrast with president putin. zelenskyy also spoke to president biden over the weekend. zelenskyy called it a positive, inspiring conversation. he thanked president biden, especially for the patriot missile batteries which are defending the skies of kyiv and other cities from russian missiles, from russian drones. they talked about the situation unfolding in russia. the readout did not give any detail about what they said. president biten has to be much more circumspect than president zelenskyy when commenting about what's happening inside russia. biden, whether he likes it or not, is a peer of vladimir putin in the sense that both are leaders of nations armed with nuclear weapons. you've seen, andrea, the biden administration being very cautious about being seen to be crowing about the instability inside russia. president zelenskyy not feeling those constraints, mocking putin openly and in russian. andrea? >> rav, very, very briefly, the

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of the central african republic, the capital openly. they drive around in pickup trucks with no license plates. they generally cover their faces and balacalavas. they guard the president. they are open in their control of the country. they control diamond mines. they control gold mines. they have helicopters that go right to the mine sites and extract the resources. and they have a complicit government. in exchange they prop up the government, which was facing collapse because of a rebellion. so that's the deal that they've worked out in central africa. we'll protect the dictator but in exchange we'll take as much resources as we can fly out of the country. and they don't just do it in the central african republic. it's a model they're spreading. and it has given him quite a degree of power and made him so powerful it seems that maybe putin didn't realize the extent

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anticipate. >> president biden said today that he is staying in touch with allies. he's getting hourly updates on the situation in russia, reaching out to allies. his secretary of state antony blinken says the nato alliance is stronger than ever. and joining me now is retired admiral james stavridis, the former supreme allied commander of nato. the summit in vilnius is two weeks away. before prigozhin's report president zelenskyy told the "wall street journal" if we are not acknowledging giving a signal in vilnius i believe there's no point for ukraine to be at this summit. they want entry. this morning the secretary-general tweeted the summit will make, quote, key decisions to support ukraine. that doesn't sound like the signal zelenskyy wants to hear. and the allies, some of them, are getting very nervous about the length of the war. the u.s. is against immediate ascension to nato among -- and

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