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want medicare for all. they don't want green energy investment. they want a green new deal. biden is behind the curve of what democrats want. they are going for him because they think he is the guy that can beat trump and he really isn't. >> bill: did you see this story in the daily beast earlier today? top dem tank warrens party. losing immigration messaging war to trump. i don't know what you took from that piece. what i took is it's rule of law on one side versus open borders on the other and that's the way it is being framed. the author makes the point that's how it is being received and interpreted across americans. >> americans can see the democratic party is becoming the party of illegal immigration. in 2009 schumer said illegal immigration is wrong plain and simple. a democrat couldn't get away with saying those words today. if you look at that last debate when they asked are you for decriminalizing illegal border
the election because they were stoked by fear. >> house races, scott? >> i don't think the caravan -- we already had the senate locked in, kavanaugh locked it in. and the president went away from the economy and talked about the border. republicans, conservative voters in the big rural states, they do care about the supreme court. the immigration messaging was overkill and that's why going back into the next round in 2020 he has to focus on the economy. i want to say that i agree with bakari, i think they should stay with the progressive messaging and stay with nancy pelosi, and i would -- >> we are not there yet. we will talk about that. >> let's take a break here. i think that's a great stopping point. after the break i want to talk extensively about how democrats are going to handle this.
and pent -- point and your point, that is their message coming home to roost. they went out too hard on immigration messaging, not maybe looking at a little something i like to call the census to see the way the country was changing and similarly had to do that in a number of negotiations you point out, ari, with the tea partiers to say "we didn't mean this, here's what we meant." to get them back on board. at a minimum they need to rethink their messaging strategy. they painted themselves into the corner. >> that is well put. as we look over the incredible night in american politics such a reminder, people say "elections matter" which is true. activism matters, volunteering matters, turnout matters. this race, shifted by a few thousand voters, passionate voters, voters have strong feelings, wherever they come down, right, wrong, an incredible night in american politics. my guests thank you for joining our special coverage tonight.
ultimately they did move the goal post on themselves and republican leaders. >> and again, to crystal's point and your point, that is their message coming home to roost. they went out too hard on immigration messaging, not maybe looking at a little something i like to call the census to see the way the country was changing and similarly had to do that in a number of negotiations you point out, ari, with the tea partiers to say "we didn't mean this, here's what we meant." to get them back on board. at a minimum they need to rethink their messaging strategy. they painted themselves into the corner. >> that is well put. as we look over the incredible night in american politics such a reminder, people say "elections matter" which is true. activism matters, volunteering matters, turnout matters. this race, shifted by a few thousand voters, passionate voters, voters have strong feelings, wherever they come down, right, wrong, an incredible night in american politics.
immigration messaging, not maybe looking at a little something i like to call the census to see the way the country was changing and similarly had to do that in a number of negotiations you point out, ari, with the tea partiers to say "we didn't mean this, here's what we meant." to get them back on board. at a minimum they need to rethink their messaging strategy. they painted themselves into the corner. >> that is well put. as we look over the incredible night in american politics such a reminder, people say "elections matter" which is true. activism matters, volunteering matters, turnout matters. this race, shifted by a few thousand voters, passionate voters, voters have strong feelings, wherever they come down, right, wrong, an incredible night in american politics. my guests thank you for joining our special coverage tonight. >> thanks, ari.