dan coats, kirstjen nielsen, national security advisor john bolton and the head of u.s. cybercommand and director of the nsa each delivered stark warnings about ongoing election interference donald trump was on stage at a rally in pennsylvania calling the entire investigation into russia s effort to attack our elections a hoax. in helsinki, i had a great meeting with putin. we discussed everything. i had a great meeting. as i have said consistently, russia attempted to interfere with the last election and continues to engage in malign influence operations to this day. but i got along great with putin, and everybody said, wow, that was a great. the russians are looking for every opportunity regardless of party, regardless of whether or not it applies to the election to continue their pervasive efforts to undermine our fundamental values. now we are being hindered by the russian hoax. it s a hoax. our democracy itself is in the crosshairs. if i get along with vladimir putin, that s a good thing, folks. before a boisterous crowd of supporters donald trump painted the probe as an attack on him and his administration and claimed the inquiry was making it harder for him to get along with russia, as you just heard. all while suggesting he has been so tough on moscow that they did not actually want him to win the 2016 election. president putin, did you want president trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that? translator: yes, i did. yes, i did, because he talked about bringing the u.s.-russia relationship back to normal. that is the president of the united states telling you not to believe what you see with your eyes or hear with your ears. it is almost as if there are two administrations. one led by grown-ups who are trying to protect our nation and democracy, and the other led by a man who wants to be best buds with our attacker. so the big question we re asking today is can our intelligence agencies keep our elections safe without the president s help? joining me nbc news national intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian, white house report forefor the associated press, zwron than lamire, peter baker. they are msnbc analysts. politics reporter for the daily beast betsy woodruff. welcome. i want to start with anna first. she has some breaking news to bring us on the sdny investigation. i m sorry i didn t introduce you, but you are one of our reporters here at nbc. what exactly have you learned? kristin davis on wednesday met with robert mueller s team. she has who is kristin davis? she is the manhattan madam. you ll remember when eliot spitzer went down, she claimed that she had provided prostitutes to him and became instantly famous. he has denied that. she spent four months at rikers island. i met her when she came out of rikers island. she was doing interviews at the time. she wound up running for mayor. she is quite a character. she has been working with roger stone on his political campaigns. she has done web work for him. robert mueller wants to talk to her probably about finances and following the money. i m sorry. i misspoke earlier. i meant robert mueller. i said sdny. so many investigations to keep track of. how does she tie into donald trump other than roger stone? are they looking at anything specifically, any way she could have been involved in a back channel potentially? i know when mueller s investigators and prosecutors are questioning witnesses part of the line of questioning is what role did roger stone play? was he really an advisor or was he or was he really not a part of the campaign because he quit very early on or was fired, depending who you talk to, or was he on informal advisor? did he maintain that role in an unofficial capacity after that? robert mueller right now is really building his case against roger stone. that s what we re seeing. it s sounding like they might be convening a grand jury looking specifically at him. maybe there are other unrelated charges that they are putting pressure on roger stone for other crimes that he might have committed. we really don t know. but what we do know is that he said publicly that he had reached out to wikileaks, that he was in touch with wikileaks. he is nat named but he is certainly a person in robert mueller s other indictment where he laid out this elaborate plan by russian operatives to interfere with the elections. so he is central to mueller s case. kristin davis, a long-time associate, very close friend of roger stone, godfather to her only son. they have a very close relationship. it s not surprising that mueller wants to talk to her. where does the investigation stand so far as we know with mueller s team? there has been a lot of talk about maybe it wrapping up or it taking a little bit longer. there is just no real answer to that right now. do you have any idea? well, we are thinking maybe this is going to wrap up by labor day. we are not sure. i think either he does wrap it up and lay out charges by labor day, but we really don t know. we do want to get a legal question in to one of our msnbc legal reporters, danny cevallos, who is just joining us now. we rushed danny to the set for this breaking news. bear with us. danny, interviewing kristin davis, give us your insight. to the extent kristin davis is known as the manhattan madam, that shouldn t distract what s really interesting. she worked closely with roger stone for ten years or so, over the span of that amount of time. so to the extent she was involved and it s been reported that she was involved in the web, maybe possibly web management or internet web page management or some form of accounting, those are areas that an investigator would find very interesting because she might know or have seen data or other information that is interesting to the special counsel. can i jump in here? her son was born in september 2016. so her defense in terms of getting involved in all of this, in, you know, collusion and this investigation of collusion, she is saying, look, i was heavily pregnant, not working for roger stone at this exact time. so i don t know anything about russian collusion. i think what she is more worried about is trying to get him on following the money because she did work closely with him. exactly. so this point is more to roger stone and what role he was playing? sure. we have seen through the manafort trial that the special counsel is not beyond he will not limit himself just to the russia collusion investigation. manafort s trial has virtually nothing to do with the russia investigation other than it spawned from that investigation. in fact, that was one of the grounds that manafort had tried to have that trial, that case against him dismissed on. so it is true that the special counsel is not above branching out beyond just russian collusion in the election. roger stone, as far as i know at the moment, has not been interviewed by the special counsel. is that correct, or has he been interviewed in the last couple of months and has it not been reported? my understanding is they were closing in on him. so it was miller, sam nunberg, kristin davis, and we are waiting. got it. but they may not interview him at all if they perceive him or they classify him as a target. to be fair, that s a very fluid definition. anyone at the doj will tell you it s a very informal term. it s something defense attorneys always want to know whether you are a target, subject, or witness. if he is a target and they think that he may be charged with something, it s possible they may never ask him to testify. anna schechter, danny cevallos, thank you for rushing in and sorting this out with us. let s go back to our top story. donald trump at odds with our with his intelligence agencies. our big question, can our intelligence agencies keep our elections safe without the president s help? back with me after that brief enter, i want to start with you, jonathan. the president yesterday, we were told by sarah huckabee sanders, was the one who told his intelligence chiefs to take the podium at the white house briefing and make those announcements. it s kind of hard to swallow that he did that if he s only hours later going to be standing on a stage in pennsylvania and decrying the whole thing as a hoax. and it flies in the face of what we have seen from this president before. he has repeatedly belittled the accusation that russia interfered with the 2016 election. Katy Tur hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. relationship. that s the way it s heard in moscow. ken, yesterday the intel chiefs seemed bullish on their ability to protect the upcoming elections even though they couldn t confirm with 100% certainty they would be able to. privately though what are you hearing about the disconnect between the president and intel? great frustration, katy. i mean, look, there are things that each of these agencies can do and are doing to combat foreign election interference. the fbi has a role. the national security agency has a role. dhs has a role. they are doing what they can. but there are certain things that cannot be done without presidential authorization. one, for example, the head of the national security agency made reference to yesterday. he was asked does he have authorization from president trump to take action in cyber space, to use the cyber weapons at his disposal to go after foreign election intervention, and that means the roournussian. he said my guidance from the president and the secretary of defense is we will not tolerate foreign meddling. that doesn t answer the question, what are you going to do about it? i mean, for example, the internet research agency, st. petersburg-based troll farm putting fake accounts on facebook, the nsa and/or u.s. cyber command could shut that down tomorrow. that was proposed during the obama administration. obama didn t want to do it. they could release embarrassing information about putin. they could do something on a classified russia network we would not hear about. it would be an unmistakable message to the russians. we don t know if that s happening. it takes donald trump to give them authorization to do that. it wasn t just what we saw yesterday in that stark contrast between the news conference in front of the white house reporters at the white house and what we saw with donald trump on stage at that rally in pennsylvania. he has done this repeatedly. take a listen. you can talk all you want about russia, which is all a, russians involved in targeting the united states election process. now she then stepped back and said she agreed with the assessment of the intelligence community that came out in early 2017, that found that, no, this was a russian operation. this wasn t the chinese or the iranians. but the president himself has put some of his intelligence chief, particularly neilsen, in the uncomfortable position of finding themselves on the verge of contradicting themselves regarding these matters. the reality is that it s very possible for people in the intelligence community and in the defense space to act without necessarily matching the president s rhetoric. we see this recently from the pentagon. the pentagon released $200 million to the ukrainians to support their military and defense two weeks ago. that s something that very much would not have been matching the rhetor rhetoric that president trump has been using regarding putin. there are lots of steps that can be taken, in many cases taken quietly. as long as the president is public publicly saying the you very much. start your countdown clocks to t-minus 10 days maybe. fely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely. with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast. .and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can t do anything about that. now that you know the truth. are you in good hands? 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he does not know. okay. no, he doesn t know. let me give you a good example. lanny davis sort of gave us instruction. lanny davis sends the tape of the trump/cohn thing and it s privileged at that time. rudy is so anxious to talk about it, he takes it out and removes the privilege to talk about it and then he doesn t do it very competently. so i think mueller can manipulate this fellow as well. you don t think they were worried? there was some speculation that the president s team was worried about the crime fraud exception in that case with the tape. they didn t want the judge or the special master to rule this tape was fair game because of the crime fraud exception, and then they would have on the record that this tape could be evidence of crime or fraud. well, you know, that s tough i thought of the special master. i moe barbara jones, who is the special master on this. ask yourself, when there is this conversation, how do you know from the conversation that it is part of a crime and, therefore, the crime fraud exception doesn t apply? they never should have removed the privilege in the first place because it would have protected them in court and perhaps in impeachment proceedings and other things. i think rudy giuliani was so anxious to say something about it that lanny sort of knew that about him and he did what a real lawyer shouldn t do, which was talk about the case and give information that otherwise would have been protected. what about mueller seeming to accept some preconditions for an interview with the president? mueller always has in reserve the impeachment not the impeachment, but the subpoena question. here is the thing. i think that mueller has so honed down what he needs to know that he probably has six questions he could ask in the neighborhood of the obstruction of justice. if he got answers to those after chasing mr. trump, if he appeared for an hour or so, he d have all he needs. the obstruction has been so visible and in the public, whether it be tweets or bogus letters on june the 9th or the statement in july about send those emails that it s very difficult i think for trump to hide from his own statements. he s been writing the obstruction case since he fired comey, if not before that. so mr. trump is, well, used to say as a white collar prosecutor you don t catch the geniuses. see trump. john flannery, thank you so much nfor joining us. next up, roger stone reveals paul manafort s closet. and the government wants to out source reuniting families. yes, this is real life. metastatic breast cancer is relentless, but i m relentless too. mbc doesn t take a day off, and neither will i. and i treat my mbc with new everyday verzenio- the only one of its kind that can be taken every day. in fact, verzenio is a cdk4 & 6 inhibitor for postmenopausal women with hr+, her2- mbc, approved, with hormonal therapy, as an everyday treatment for a relentless disease. verzenio + an ai is proven to help women have significantly more time without disease progression, and more than half of women saw their tumors shrink vs an ai. diarrhea is common, may be severe, and may cause dehydration or infection. before taking verzenio, tell your doctor if you have fever, chills, or other signs of infection. verzenio may cause low white blood cell counts, which may cause serious infection that can lead to death. serious liver problems can occur. symptoms may include tiredness, loss of appetite, stomach pain, and bleeding or bruising more easily than normal. blood clots that can lead to death have also occurred. talk to your doctor right away if you notice pain or swelling in your arms or legs, shortness of breath, chest pain or rapid breathing or heart rate. tell your doctor if you are pregnant, breastfeeding, or plan to become pregnant. common side effects include nausea, infections, low red and white blood cells and platelets, decreased appetite, headache, abdominal pain, tiredness, vomiting, and hair thinning or loss. i m relentless. and my doctor and i choose to treat my mbc with verzenio. be relentless. ask your doctor about everyday verzenio. at office depot officemax. meant it was good. he wore $6,500 suits that didn t fit him. yeah. trump s former campaign chairman face as litany of financial crime charges, all of which he denies. prosecutors say they are ahead of schedule. good news to judge ellis. and they expect to rest their case next week. today they put paul manafort s tax accountant back on the stand. joining me from outside the contract house in alexandria, national security and justice reporter julia ainsley and former federal prosecutor glen kirschner. jew julia, what s the latest? reporter: when i tend out there have been 30 minutes of testimony of another tax preparer. someone who took over the tax returns from another person who retired. she came in as the bottom was really falling out financially for paul manafort. this was around 2014-2015. what is clear is that the prosecution is establishing a pattern. everything she says alliance with what her predecessor said. it alliance with what this bookkeeper said yesterday. paul manafort was in the clear business of trying to hide his foreign bank accounts and trying to use fraudulent financial information in order to secure loans, making it look like he was in better financial standing than he really was. part of the defense s argument has been wouldn t a tax preparer have a lot of this information? didn t paul manafort give them a lot of breadcrumbs that would have led them to figure out he had foreign bank accounts if they had really been concerned? but we ve seen a lot of bullets in that argument today because she is saying we didn t ask for all of that information. we were just there to prepare the forms. and paul manafort s attorneys are also trying to argue that he wasn t really paying close attention, that rick gates was handling a lot of this for him. glen, what do you make of the defense argument so far? reporter: katy, you know, you can argue that paul manafort perhaps wasn t paying a lot of attention to his financial dealings and his the paperwork being filed on his behalf. you can bet he was paying a lot of attention his seven homes, waterfall ponds, putting greens, ostrich coats. it really is, i think, beyond belief for the average juror that somebody who lives that lifestyle, and as i have called it paul manafort s lifestyle seemed to be where opulence meets arrogance. living that kind of a lifestyle, i would suggest it s impossible to believe that, geez, i don t know where the money is coming from. i don t know what i should be paying in taxes. it sounds like from reporting earlier today even the tax preparers were saying, we were asking him for information about whether he had overseas bank accounts and he was either stonewalling or telling us, you know what? let s not worry about that. this is a very strong case on the evidence. as a career prosecutor, when cases are really strong, we would often call them sort of long/slow guilty pleas, which is what i think we see unfolding across the river in alexandria. i was talking to a source close to manafort and i asked them why paul manafort refused to make a plea deal, and the person told me that manafort s lawyers told manafort that he was innocent, that this was not a strong case, and that they would get him off and manafort was begin winly surprised when he went to jail before the trial for allegedly tampering with witnesses. why would a defense tell a defendant that the case is strong, if i take this source s word for it, when you see the prosecution lay out what you called a slow guilty plea or a slow plea deal? i actually question that information and that recitation of events because typically defense attorneys will not give that kind of advice or counsel to their clients because it s a recipe for the client, once convicted, to turn around and claim ineffective assistance of counsel, which is a way to undo somebody s conviction. i actually think there are other reasons that paul manafort didn t plead guilty. i think the two leading reasons are, one, bob mueller may have never offered him a deal, a cooperation deal, or a guilty plea deal. here s why. bob mueller already had rig gates. it seems like a lot of the information that paul manafort could provide is duplicative of what rick gates has already provided. why would you want to do business with somebody like manafort, who is also charged with tampering with witnesses when, instead, you can do business with gates? good point. glen kirschner, julia ainsley, thank you very much. it has been a full week since the court ordered deadline to reunite migrant families. nearly 600 children are still in the custody of hhs. the majority were accept rat separated from parents already departed. advocacy groups like the aclu, they say, should find the parents. attorneys for the aclu responded to the administration saying it was attempting to avoid its ponce blts by passing its work off to private groups. let s bring in jacob soboroff, who has been following this story. what s going on? the government wants the aclu to do the dirty work? think about what you said. the government is asking can the trump administration is asking ngos and the aclu through the court to take on responsibility for finding the missing parents, which begs the question, why are the parents missing in the first place? the answer to that question is because the government separated them from their children. so the government who separated these kids, 2,551 total, now 572 left, in u.s. government custody months after they were taken from their parents is now saying, essentially, put your money where your mouth is, aclu. if you want them reunited so bad, you do it. is this government admitting they don t have the resources or capabilities to find these parents? well, what the aclu says how could the government say this? this is the united states government with unlimited supply of money. the resources in terms of manpower in order to dedicate these people across hhs and the department of justice and the department of homeland security to track down these folks. what really i think it is is the government admitting we never kept track of this, these parents in the first place. we are having a really hard time figuring out why they are, so, hey, aclu, since you are the ones suing us and you think that they need to be reunified, you take the lead and we will provide supporting documentation, you know, in order to help you guys out. jacob, i am not sure if you are following this, but this woman, this pregnant woman who has just been deported by the united states saying that they are breaking her family apart. she entered the u.s. illegally 39 years ago. sorry. 20 years ago from mexico. she has been married to a u.s. veteran. she pleaded with the government to let her stay. as she left, it s reported that she said of president trump, may god forgive you. let s listen to a little bit of her. and they are breaking my family apart. they don t care that he served his country three times. so before you enlist in the military, think twice. before you mary ann immigrant, think twice. think if it s really worth it for you to serve this country because look how they treated me. if you say you love the military, this is the message that you are sending to the military. 11,000 military family members are going through what i m going through. 11,000, okay? it s not just alejandra juarez. do you think the loves the military? do you think the loves the military by deporting me? what message is he sending. i misspoke. she is not pregnant, but has two daughters born in the u.s. it s tough to watch. the reality is, this is another zero tolerance casualty. the trump administration is putting people into deportation proceedings that historically wouldn t have been put into deportation proceedings. this woman has been here for decades. she checked in with the government. immigration and customs enforcement trying to get her status to become legal, even though she entered the country illegally. there is this function of immigration rules called parole in place that military spouses can go through. the trump administration denied it after members of congress petitioned the administration, after she personally petitioned the administration. the kicker in this whole thing, katy, is that that woman s husband supports donald trump. what s interesting. we heard those stories over and over again. people thought when donald trump said he was going to deport undocumented immigrants, he was going to deport the dangerous ones, not their friends, neighbors, wives, husband. military members as well. jacob soakoff, thank you very much. and next, give us a break. people with type 2 diabetes are excited about the potential of once-weekly ozempic®. in a study with ozempic®, a majority of adults lowered their blood sugar and reached an a1c of less than seven and maintained it. oh! under seven? 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that might not directly have anything to do with what s appearing on the tabloid cover today. but they certainly are worried about their legal exposure going back to what happened a few months ago when pecker and other top executives at ami were subpoenaed given the involvement of the tabloid in the scandal involving mr. cohen, mr. trump, and karen mcdougal. i wonder if they have made it worse. look at this cover that we have up right now from a few months ago when michael cohen was raided. trump fixer s secrets and lies. it was widely believed in the trump/cohen world at the time this came out that that was a very clear symbol signal, excuse me, from team trump to michael cohen that they re cutting him loose. right. also if you actually read that piece in the national enquirer it s all about documenting michael cohen s various scandals and outrages, not just the stuff that has to do with karen mcdougal and as they very briefly acknowledge in that piece, the enquirer itself was used as a pro trump tool in that whole affair. but if you turn the page in that issue, and i don t know if you re as hard core reader of the national enquirer as i am only when i m at a supermarket using my i.d. to buy milk. if you turn the page, the next story is about an ad hoc lie examination or professional analysis that the national enquirer undertook to absolve president trump via his public statements and an ad hoc lie detector of any russian collusion. so in a whole cover story spent throwing michael cohen under the bus, the very next page is a piece quickly absolving donald trump of any wrongdoing. telling. thank you so much for joining us. thank you for having me. next, united britain great england kingdom. tter things than psoriatic arthritis. as you and your rheumatologist consider treatments, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. xeljanz xr is a once-daily pill for psoriatic arthritis. taken with methotrexate or similar medicines, it can reduce joint pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma, and other cancers have happened. don t start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts, and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. your doctor should perform blood tests before you start and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests. tell your doctor if you were in a region where fungal infections are common, and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. xeljanz xr can reduce the symptoms of psoriatic arthritis. don t let another morning go by without talking to your rheumatologist about xeljanz xr. these are the specialists we re proud to call our own. experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. expert medicine works here. learn more at cancercenter.com it s a high-tech revolution in sleep. the new sleep number 360 smart bed. it intelligently senses your movement and automatically adjusts on each side to keep you both comfortable. and snoring? 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Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. shot and killed by police in this country this year which is eight more than at a same time last year which the washington post, i get to write have been keeping tally for several years now. 109 of those have been black men who have been unarmed. that s disproportionate given our population in this country and it is 2.5 kpiemtimes greate us than it is for a white male in this country. that is what the players are protesting and those of us in the media once again we have couched this as an an ththem protest and in fact it is against police brutality. that s what the players are disturbed about and the fact that they can t get their message out. it becomes an issue of the way we and the media characterize this narrative. phillip, let s talk about this and whether it is the nfl or whether it is these charges by omarosa or the immigration fight. if you are a republican in a tight race, what do you make of all of this and can you avoid these very not just very tough questions and actually let me take that back. these should not be tough questions, how do you handle these and can you avoid answering for what is i think a critical moment in american history about who we are as a country? yes. and our values as a country and what presidential leadership is because this president have said nothing. you know he s led in the other direction, right? exactly. she s stoking some of these divisions. there is a lot of endangered house republicans incumbents in suburban districts. those candidates do not want the election to be about cultural issues or the nfl protest. they don t want the election to be about taking children away from their parents at the border. president trump sees those issues as a way to motivate his base and voters. he thinks it works for him for 2016 when he won the presidency against all odds and he thinks it is going to work for him this november and maintaining the house and senate. the congressional leaders they want this election to be about the economy and tax cuts and sort of kitchen table issues that that matters to these voters. beyond 2016, last year the president at least seemed to have seen something with his response to what happened in charlottesville that have informed the way he behaved since then. al year ago tomorrow was sunday i guess, the unite right rally show america and racism and bigotry and violence. a woman lost her life and this was donald trump s response in the days afterwards. we are closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. we condemn in the strongest possible terms, this display of hatred and bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. i think there is blame on both sides and i have no doubt about it. he chose not to denounce the n neo-nazis or white nationalists, did he pay a price? is the lesson for him he can say those things and not pay a price? well, chris, these are the issues i take of my new book of what truth sounds like. i addressed the fact that donald trump drawn tremendous support in regards to either complicity through silence or out hand embrace by him by these right wings so called alt-right groups. the mainstreaming of richard spencing and other people slicked back haircuts and nice crisp suits that articulate a nas nas nasty ideology that s as old and bigotry itself. people lambasted him of bigotry. those who oppose racism are no better than those racist themselves. he has not suffered the consequences for that. paul ryan and mitch mcconnell, they stood by and allowed trump to go full blast of this and not saying any words. the republicans in this country is reprehenceable. and you have omarosa turned political aid, a white house official. this is what she writes in her new memoir. we gotten a copy here. three sources in three separate conversations had described the contents of this tape, they all told me president trump had not just dropped a single n word bomb, he said it multiple times throughout the show s taping particularly during the first season of the apprentice. moments ago we got words from sarah sanders, this book is riddled with lies and false accusations. how worried are the white house about this? they are wor they re worried about the book after all. they ll see omarosa will be recounting at her time at the white house and about being fired from the fire house. there could be more to come. it is a concern of the white house if this narrative takes hold and as she portrays president trump being racist and being unfit for the job of president. remember a year ago when michael wolf s book fi fire and fury ce out, that was a troubling period for the white house, they spent as few weeks to speak back the narrative and i don t think they did successfully. they would be in the same situation of omarosa s book. they have been trying to keep the president from tweeting about it. i got to ask you phil, what do you think the chances are the president after some point after she goes on meet the press on sunday and today show that he will not stop tweeting about it. phil ruck chances are i don t think he ll be able to refuse himself. phil rucker and michael. thank you. thank you on msnbc will share a story a man dedicating his life to helping others, watch breaking hate at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. we ll continue this conversation throughout the hour including a humanitarian crisis. a federal judge made a plan to turn around and stop deportation and sharply criticized president trump s ill congratulatimmigrat. major developments in the trump s campaign trial. we are watching an unusual recessing in court right now. what s going on? 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we are in about 2.5 hours recess. a few times both parties did approach the bench and talked to the judge. he called about an hour recess and came back and asked the jury a few questions and went on a 2.5 hours recess. the question he asked the jury are important though. he asked over and over again, are you sure you are following my instructions not to talk to each other or anyone else about this case. they said yes. he continued to repeat that advice. a few people start to speculate, could there be a juror that s tampered with and did not follow instructions. with this, you should be able to have a long lunch, it is not something he would do if he s going to individually question these jurors. i saw manafort s legal team across the street and they just smiled and of course, they could not comment. if reheaded to a mistri we ar to a mistrial, everyone would gather. everyone seems to be qualm. something unexpected came up in another case on this judge s do docket. he did say i have other cases besides yours. it could be something important that judge alex is handling. if they move to a witness when we reconvene, that s it. it seems like we are moving ahead as normal. if there is something else we ll be running out of the court and telling you immediately. i have no doubt about that. it is interesting those statements were made are you sure you are following my instructions and obviously there is some level of concerns about whether or not they are not. what do you make of this recess, do you think it is likely something just as simple given the demeanor of the legal team, nothing more than he had done? this is a judge who said over and over hurry up, let s go and let s go. and so to tape an extended recess is very unusual and then to repeat the instruction os of the jury. are you talking to yourself? o i think somebody reported whether the court s circuit court officers that one of the jurors have had some conversations or said something that lead them to say hey, i got to report this to the judge. oh boy, while we wait again. they re supposed to come back about 25 minutes from now, anna. i want to ask you about the manhattan adam, testifying right now. she s a close ally. she was handling his scheduling and he would deck tate e-mails to her and she was the gate keeper to roger stone. what she tells me that she was not doing this in those key perio periods leading up to the election. prosecutors think she got something extremely interesting to say. she met with prosecutors and rushed to a full week later before speaking to the grand jury. they want to lock her in and get her testimonies on the record. things are moving quickly of this grand jury. what do you make of that and what do you think may be happening here? just when you thought this case could not get any stranger or bizarre. and the manhattan madame. and i agree with the analysis, listen, they ju just - the mueller team just eninte interviewed her last week voluntarily and came in on her own. they re putting her in the grand jury this week. she says something and she provided some information that they do want to lock in under oath in the grand jury, they re moving very, very fast which in my view is unusual for this kind of case. i believe it is something certainly important in what is a russia collusion probe. all right, guy, anna, and thank you to both of you. julie ainsley keep us posted on the manafort s recess. we are waiting to hear. we ll talk about the immigration crisis, a judge ordered a plane carrying a deported mother and daughter to salvador to turn around. immigration actions did not stop there. he threatened to hold jeff sessions in contentive court.mh sessions in contentive court.oh sessions in contentive court.he sessions in contentive court.he sessions in contentive courtivp. what s the #1 new skincare product in 2018? 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is this by design or bad planning. remember a large part of donald trump s campaign had to do with some of the earlier policies of his administration and had to do with immigration. it is one of the big legal frontiers that his administration have been trying to advance on behalf of supporters. that was the whole travel ban case is about. that s partly of what this case is about. whether or not the department of justice can be compelled to present a plan that s able and finally resolve the matter of these families. one of the recent conflicts in court that the aclu should take the role. the judge was not digging that. no, you created this, you need to fix this. it is by design in a sense. the question is whether or not the design was simply to separate the family and the government ever contemplated. tlas plhere is a plan now. they said this was supposed to be deterrent. they were not shy, they said they hope this would keep people coming from the country and now we have a situation, jacob of more than 2500 children were separated and 559 of them are not with their parents, 365 parents with children are deported and out of the country. what are the chances that these 559 kids ever get back with their moms or dads? well, the most challenging scenario here are the 365 that we know already deported. the government said yesterday they have no idea where 26 of them are. no contact information. today somehow what number is down to five. let s just put in perspective here. there was no plan and there would not have been a plan had the judge had not ordered to be a plan for the government to reunite the remaining, what it originally would have called ineligible children and parents. the vast majority of those folks were and are, i guess ineligible because they have been kicked out of the country before the unification were able to happen. you got four different cabinet level agencies, department of homeland security and department of justice and as well as the state department who are involved trying to get these folks all back together. we should hear later today in a court hearing exactly how they plan to do that. two months after we got inside the facility there in brownsville, i am not going to hold my breath that this is going to happen in a rapid scale. or logical or non-chaotic. one immigration issue, joshua that has been on the mind of the president and he s been tough on it is what he calls, chain migration, it is family based migration. let me just remind people what he has said about that. chain migration is one of the disasters. chain migration is a disaster. a disaster. a total disaster, we have to end chain migration. we have to end it. so we bring this up of course, joshua because yesterday the parents of first lady melania trump became citizen of this country. they came through the system known as family you know occasiunification, that s the same system that the president wants to end. first of all, congratulations to be the united states citizen. . it is a matter where he s quite the beneficiary. in the scheme of things the chain migration thing is more of a political talking point as you play the tapes at rallies. as if there is no hypocrisy and having your in-laws goi going by the way, normally this is done on a friday, they went in privately on a thursday and got here citizenship and legally and we congratulated them and welcome to this country. i think they re 72 years old or 74 years old. seems like nice people. while he s saying no, that s not the way it should be and i wonder jacob because you re talking to these folks all the time, what is the reaction been on the ground for people who are fighting this battle every single day to see this incredible disconnect? . it is just a series of continual disconnect. the president says one thing and does another regards to family unifications as they referred to it. same thing of what s happening down the border, the president has the perception and talking point of what he says down on the border, it is a constant war zone and drugs are pouring in. we know none of that is the case at least in the way that he represents it. and, you know again it is just time after time the perception of the president, the statements from the president verses the reality of what life is like down on the border or with the immigration system are not in line. that s just simple as it is. jacob soboroff, i know you will keep us posted on the mom her daughter. joshua johnson, thank you so much for being on the program. thanks chris. we are watching the courthouse in alexandria where manafort s trial is in that unusual recess. we ll keep you posted on what we learn why this recess happened. and democrats are not backing nancy pelosi. the best way to show your opposition for the president, vote for a democrat, we got the debate. .by just calling or going online to geico.com. 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(harmonica interrupts) everytime. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. . right now we are keeping a close house in alexandria, of the trial of paul manafort s. this is an unusual recess according to legal officials. we got a note from our producer if the court. he says at the beginning of the recess, the judges clerk came in and grabbed a jury board, it is a big board that the court uses to call the roll. no word of what the recess is about. this recess should be over in about five minutes and we are reminding folks that the report we got julia ainsley, he was reminding jurors if they are following instructions which means they don t talk outside the case. meantime, nancy pelosi, is facing a civil war of her own. more than 50 democrat candidates who now say they would pose pelosi as house speaker. here they are. let s take a look. 51 candidates, nine or incumbents already in the house and running for election. the other 42 are newcomers. nominees who have not yet served in the house. it is happening of an already ominous speaker. she s the favorite punching bag for republicans running for congress. take a look. for vote for paul davis is a vote for nancy pelosi. after lying the whole campaign, dishonest, ocon scribner admits he voted for pelosi. thank you, nancy pelosi and connor lamb are still opposing your tax cuts. lamb called it a complete portrayal. pelosi says this is arm armageden. joining me now, our former director of the new york state, baas si basil. all those that race is too close to call. there was this reason nbc and wall street journal poll, nearly half of us are less likely to support a congressional candidate who backs pelosi for house speaker. is this a real problem? it is definitely a problem if you are running and you saw what happened to joe crowley and you are like all of what we thought was happening could happen, the paradigm have shifted now. if i am nancy pelosi, i would say you can run against me if you want, i am the punching back, i am used to it. what happens is how you get there. if there is no credible contender to her and all of this sort of kind of watch away and it happened in the past and she has political retribution on people who challenged her. if i am her, if you need to run against me to win, go ahead and do it. shermichael, if this is what you need to win, go ahead, run against me. you will need 218 votes. 50 is not 218. having said that, is this an effective strategy on the republica republican side? no. absolutely. any time nancy s pelosi pelosi mentioned, it worked. a lot of people believe that nancy pelosi is some what detached from many of their values and a lot of republicans go back to the affordable care act and if we pass a bill, we ll fine out what s in it. let me ask you this, does it matter what the person they are running against thinks of new eastern span nancy pelosi? does that stop you from running against her? well, no, i personally don t think so, i think on the democratic side, they have to do what conner lamb did in pennsylvania. they have to run races that are targeted of their congressional district. as we saw with cortez, that message does no t resonate with a lot of portions of america. pelosi, she s well-liked. people think she s a good organizer and she s been in the leadership since 2007 and broken a lot of barriers. she raised nearly $660 million for democrats since 2002 when you can make the argument who s there to replace her, right? right. so maybe is the concern about, you got a big step first, are the democrats going to win the house? if they do, is a threat to nancy pelosi is over stated? i think it is. if we win the house, i think she will be fine. if we don t win then i would think she s in trouble there. a lot of it depends on who s contending for r tthe seat. if joe crowley was there or king jeffery, i don t know if he s running against really talente folks coming through. do you know that? i don t know that. there are talented people waiting in the wings. if we lose this house, she s in real jeopardy. basil, it is good to see you. shermichael, thank you. we don t know what it is and we know some actions have taken place in the last couple of hours or so of the manafort s trial. we are trying to figure out is this something significant of this trial, we ll have it for you. still to come, the only way for republicans to save the gop is to defeat the gop. what that may mean for the midterms in november. believe that something s got a hold on me, yeah oh, it must be love oh, something s got a hold on me right now, child oh, it must be love let me tell you now, oh it must be love medicare will pay for. what s left. this slice here. well. that s on you. and that s where an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company comes in. this type of plan helps pay some of what medicare doesn t. and these are the only plans to carry the aarp endorsement. that s because they meet their high standards of quality and service. wanna learn more? 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republicans should vote for democrats in the house, but remain loyal to republicans in their senate races. he writes, house democrats, quote, will be a check on the president without becoming a threat to his best policies. the tax cut will stand. the senate will still approve conservative judges. but the house will conduct real oversight hearings and expose both russian influence and administration corruption. back with me, sher michael singleton and basel schmeichel. the struggle is? it s real, it s real. would you advocate voting for a democrat? absolutely, i agree with everything that was written in that column. really? yes. i ll tell you why. there is a reason there is a separation of brar separation of branches. we do not have a king in the white house, although donald trump would like to see himself as one. some leaders of certain committees in the house believe there is a king? again, that is a problematic. there is a naacp poll released i believe this past tuesday that indicated, and they looked at 61 competitive districts that indicated an overwhelming majority of african-americans, hispanics and asia americans belief the president is inciting race relations. you thought ohio 12 was competitive. imagine the direction of many of those districts. it s not going to look good for republicans. so i agree. it s worth risk losing the house, i would say, and maintaining the senate so that there can be that check on the white house, which is what the founding fathers intended. yes, they did intend that. there is no doubt about it. let me make the counterargument, because basel is nodding. the counterargument is this. i think especially for two men of color who are still fighting, right, fighting every single day for the right for people of color to be able to go to the polls freely and the way that also the founding fathers intended are suggesting that you don t vote necessarily for the person that you think is the best person on the ballot. if you are not in one of those districts where you have one of those republicans who is doing everything the president wants him to do, is not doing their constitutionally mandated job, but it s somebody who is a legit man or woman who is doing a good job, who you like, and/or you really don t like the democrat, are you really suggesting, would you suggest the reverse that they not vote for that person? you know, from a democratic standpoint, no, i would suggest they vote for a democrat because it is, to me, my party is a party of social and economic justice. i would say, yes, for all the things that communities of color care about is the democratic party that has the answer. i would say it with this caveat. i think if the democrats are going to be more successful than we think we can be in this midterm election, we actually don t necessarily need to just drill down to our base, that we can actually win independents, win over republicans who are dissatisfied with their president. and ohio 12. the votes are going to be really, really important. the suburbs are becoming more diverse with this political osmosis. they care about taxation, governens. they care about the social justice issues in ways perhaps they didn t a generation ago. there is a lot more opportunity, i think, for democrats to expand their vote where for the republicans perhaps not. are we maybe even just talking about this because, frankly, the blue wave is real, the republicans are not going to hold the house, and even if some republicans decide to do what michael gerson suggests, it s not going to change the equation anyway? history is clearly on the side of democrats. i want to state this as a republican. the demographic changes in our country are very, very real, and they are not on the side of my party for a very, very long time. the republican party has struggled to target and mobilize african-americans and hispanics. after mitt romney and reince priebus, we did the growth in opportunity project where we promised to spend millions of dollars targeting the same groups donald trump is marginalizing with his retic. i m looking at 2020 and beyond. it does not look good for republicans in a more browning america. thank you, guys. have a great weekend. appreciate it. we ll be right back. waiting for that update from the manafort trial recess. you might take something for your heart. or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. are you ready to take your then you need xfinity xfi.? a more powerful way to stay connected. it gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most wifi coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. it s the ultimate wifi experience. xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. basil and that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. i m chris jansing. katy tur, tgif. not yet for you? not yet. i got two hours. don t jump the gun too early. thank you very much. it s 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. in virginia. today in the paul manafort trial the judge abruptly halted proceedings and called for and a lengthy unscheduled recess. it s unclear why he did that.
probably the biggest illegality so far, the biggest collusion so far. or conspiracy. completely made up, completely made up. led to nothing. except several fraudulent fisa wires. and now we have mueller who doesn t seem to care that he s sitting on top of a totally illegitimate investigation. but the thing about the dossier that she paid for and the fact that the fbi paid steele, it was designed to misinform the american people with russian lies, to influence the election. yes. there is a great irony here if it wasn t maybe if mueller and his band of whatever they are, democrats, right? were fair minded, maybe they d investigate maybe that s the collusion. maybe that s the collusion. oh, my god. rudy needs to check his carbon monoxide monitors. the sure sign team trump knows there are problems. look over there, the collusion, the obstruction, they re The latest political developments of the day and interviews with top newsmakers are featured. that is sort of what is at the core of all of this. chuck, the tone and tenor as ashley is saying are wacky. the substance is fascinating to me. they have reupped and the tell in the conversation around flynn goes to the heart of the obstruction of justice investigation, it would seem. rudy giuliani saying that he can t take questions about flynn and i guess by extension about the request to former fbi director comey to see to it to let flynn go. that was the question that rudy said he could not answer, the president could not answer. here s giuliani answering the question and telling us exactly his understanding of what happened with george stephanopoulous. let s watch. how is he a good witness for the president if he s saying that the president was asking, directing him in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? he didn t direct him to do that. what he said to him was, can you comey said he took it as direction. that s okay. by that time he had been fired. he said a lot of other things, some of which have turned out to and if you have nothing to hide, then hide nothing. but this has been going on and on and on, nicolle, to the point it seems pretty clear to me that if mueller wants to hear from the president, it s going to have to be pursuant to a subpoena under oath and in a grand jury. now, of course, there is another question, which is would he be permit today do that. would the deputy attorney general who is overseeing this investigation permit that. my guess is that he would. i hope they do. the mueller team, the investigators and the prosecutors, are entitled to all the lawful evidence they can acquire. and, paul butler, rod rosenstein has shown himself and deputy, on the side of the facts here. they have showcased, i guess, the indictments when mueller has had indictments. rod rosenstein did that last press conference with some very, very, thinly veiled swipes at the circus atmosphere among the president s allies in congress. the attacks on the probe and whatnot. i wonder if you agree with chuck s belief or thesis that rosenstein would sign off on a subpoena for the president. i do. what the deputy attorney general has been doing is following the rule of law and the guidelines of the department of justice. so it is an unsettled issue with regard to the supreme court whether the president could be forced to testify in a criminal case. but if trump is subpoenaed by the president i m sorry, if trump is subpoenaed by mueller, i think that rosenstein would enforce that subpoena. you know, giuliani says that he s concerned about perjury trap. well, a, as chuck said, the way to get around that is for the client, in this case the president, to tell the truth. what mueller wants to ask is questions, say, with regard to flynn. mr. president, when you told mueller to go easy comey. when you told comey to go easy on comey, did you know that flynn had lied about his contacts with the russians? and if he did, that s not a perjury trap. that s a legitimate investigative question. classic perjury trap is when you ask about something extra that doesn t have anything to do with it to try to trick the guy into lying. classic example there, ken starr, he s investigating this failed real estate transaction and he asks president clinton, did you have sex with monica lewinsky. he knows he s going to lie. that s a trap. asking questions about obstruction of justice and perjury in the mueller investigation is not a trap. and they have all the questions. they know the areas. the flash points in the obstruction of justice investigation are known knowns to the trump legal team. it s the effort to get jeff session s to unrecuse. the efforts to get comey to see to it to let mike flynn go. the flash points are known to them. so why is there so much anxiety all of a sudden now around these obstruction of justice questions? i ve heard in the last week from people who have either been around this legal effort or witnesses themselves that there are questions in the air about whether or not the president engaged in witness tampering, about whether he carried out or conducted himself in a way that suggested he has or may suborn perjury. there is question about the conduct in office around investigation of witnesses. the legal team is very aware of these things and very nervous about these things. that is being born out in the goal post being moved on a daily basis by rudy giuliani and jay sekulow about what would need to be required to have this interview occur. and their proposals are ones they know the special counsel is not going to agree to. it is an effort to in some ways, someone close to the white house said to me just today, the idea that we re in a stall tactic now. they want to keep this going shall does that help mueller? he s not racing the clock. he s not up for midterms. they believe that mueller will adhere to the 60-day rule or guideline. he doesn t have to, but he -day rule, not in the colder memo. it is clear to prosecutors around the country there is some rule, some guideline to which they must adhere. in my mind it was post-labor day. jonathan is right. the day after the election, you hit the pause bulltton again, y restart the clock, you restart the investigation. and what do you think he meant by stay tuned? what is the president talking about? is he bored in bedminster? that s one of his phrases. i m sure he s not had a lot of structured time. that s a good euphemism for the president watching tv and tweeting, structured time. executive time. at mar-a-lago, aides get nervous. he s not as well staffed. friends come and go and makes suggestions. he gets revved up. it was bedminster he made the decision to fire james comey. it was bedminster when we heard about fire and fury, he bashed mitch mcconnell. stay tuned, it does seem like it s one of those either for him, someone said it s him perhaps suggesting again he could get involved and interfere, or at the very least, another distraction tactic and there will be some other uranium one style messaging muddle that will come up in the next couple weeks. let me ask you about donald trump, jr., another flashing yellow light around him in the president s circle and in legal circles is donald trump, jr. i believe this is your reporting, jonathan, that don junior s approach seems to mirror the father s combative defiance. the enthusiastic reception he receives in republican strong holds. they are rallying around the president s criticism of the probe. donald trump, jr. can be subpoenaed, donald trump, jr., can be indicted and donald trump, jr. could also be pardoned by his father the president. that seems to be the possible path for his near future. it s easy to have a lot of bravado about the prosecution when daddy has pardon power. how many people can say ha? so i hope if i m ever involved in a federal investigation, i not only am i allowed to see the questions they want to ask, negotiate over my potential interview, but also have the option of being pardoned by my dad. i hope that i am given those opportunities. i suspect i will not be. your reporting? certainly don junior is forging forward. he embraced the idea. he s the more maga friendly of the trumps. he is particularly very conservative districts is seen as a big draw. privately despite the president s bravado on twitter he s not concerned about don junior, all reporting suggests he is. so much of what we ve seen from him the erratic tweets have been triggered by watching the coverage of the manafort trial and telling people around him that he s afraid that that could be don junior next. even though he s saying i don t think he did anything wrong, but he thinks he could be the victim of overzealous prosecution and he could face jeopardy. certainly the victim of a prosecution. so while don junior is getting his swag on, robert mueller is trying to decide whether to charge him with perjury for saying that his father didn t know about that meeting with the russian lawyer in advance. right now mueller, we can assume, has that phone record which tells whether trump junior was calling his dad while trying to set up this meeting. if he s got that evidence, trump junior has big-time exposure for perjury. ashley parker, if stay tuned in the president s tweet this morning is one book end, your reporting last weekend about the president brooding and steaming and about to blow in part over his anxiety about his son is the other, and that s sort of the week in which we re existing, what are your white house sources telling you about the president s state of mind as he s now sort of de-camped in bedminster and sort of fuming and stewing all day long between golf games? it s interesting. to take the manafort trial, aides say they re not particularly bothered or concerned about that. they re kind of tuning in the way the rest of us are to see what the judge is going to do next. and you know, the latest drama with rick gates. but they do say it is affecting the president differently. he thinks it s tied to him. he thinks it s mueller s attempt to embarrass him. it s something that makes him, you know, more skeptical of mueller and believe that they re operating in poor faith. and the original story we did that seemed to prompt that tweet that all aides acknowledge was frankly helpful for no one except maybe mueller was that the president is, again, worried about his son. family comes first. he loves him. he likes the fact that his jonathan wrote he s out on the campaign trail. he s a good surrogate in the western states, some of the second amendment rights states. but he s worried about him. he recognizes his son has been drawn into this probe wittingly or unwittingly. he believes it s only happening because he is the president s son, which is and is not quite true. he s the president s son who took that meeting at trump tower and he s upset. if he was just his son and hadn t met with russians to get dirt on hillary my hunch is he d be fine. thank you for starting us off. the closest ally in congress when it comes to bashing him, the secret tape based on mueller s report if republicans don t stand in the way. also ahead the trump echo chamber goes there. remarkable comments from one of the president s highest profile supporters, an anti-immigrant rant that thrilled exkkk leader david duke. and the judge in the manafort trial says he s sorry for the kind of conduct we first reported on yesterday that isn t too late? 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why wait? ask your doctor about prolia. but one blows them all out of the water. hydro boost from neutrogena®. with hyaluronic acid to plump skin cells so it bounces back. neutrogena® mueller won t clear the president, we re the only ones. which is really the danger. that s why i keep and thank you for saying it, we have to keep our seats. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. all this goes away. there is so much to unpack there, including the apparent assumption by nunes that trump s hold on the presidency is hanging in the balance. let s start, though, by zeroing in on these four words. quote, if sessions won t unrecuse. that s a statement that s bound to be of interest to the special counsel. according to a list of questions mueller wants to ask trump compiled by trump s own lawyers, two questions apply. what did you think and do regarding the recusal of mr. sessions and what efforts did you make to try to get him to change his mind? it sounds like devin nunes might be able to shed some light. chuck rosenberg and the panel are still here. paul butler, it s remarkable to me that this it has been reported, president president s lawyers are aware of the fact that donald trump s desire for jeff sessions to unrecuse i don t even know if that s a thing. is this to get his a.g. to unrecuse himself is one of the flash points in the investigation into the president. it s crazy. especially when we remember what this investigation is about, is whether republican campaign operatives conspired with the russians to try to subvert our democracy and what chairman nunes is saying is i don t care if the russians installed donald trump as president. we need to keep him in office. so i ve been reluctant to use the phrase constitutional crisis to describe what s going on. but if what he s saying is no matter what kind of evidence mueller turns in to congress, he s not looking at it, all he s trying to do is keep donald trump president. then we have a situation in which the congress is not doing its constitutional responsibilities of checks and balances. that s a big problem. chuck rosenberg, i leave the actual crimes to people like you. but political crimes are ones where you debase an institution for sort of craven political motives and that s what devin nunes has done to the house intelligence committee which in times of war and peace have served important bipartisan check, really, on presidential powers. he has thrown that down the garbage disposal. he s done it, aided and abetted by paul ryan. but now we have the why. now we know why. because without trump, all this goes away. what goes away? and what does that sound like to a prosecutor? well, trying to make something go away when you re a prosecutor sounds like trying to tamper with witnesses, obstruct justice, do something to undermine the investigation. just think about what he said, nicolle, if we can get sessions to unrecuse, first of all, i m with you and paul. i don t even know what that means. sessions recused himself because he had been a part of the campaign. he had met with russians, and he may have misled the senate judiciary committee during his confirmation hearings. so those facts don t evaporate. they don t sort of go away over time. those are facts and they remain, stubborn as they may be. i will say this one thing for mr. nunes. what he said in private doesn t seem all that much crazier than what he says in public. fair enough. let me just say i m in good company not knowing what unrecuse means. paul, we know where it came, from it came from donald trump. nick, now you have a real synergy once again. you had it on unmasking, on uranium one. you have it on every corrupt smear campaign, every play that s being run against the republicans running the justice department. it all has its roots and its birth in this nexus between the minds of donald trump and devin nunes. look, it s fascinating and you have to give the president credit on some level. he is a master brander. he has been able to make the entire party talk the way he does. it s seeped down from the white house to kevin mccarthy, to devin nunes. it s actually quite striking and shows it s the party of trump. i was struck by two things. like they re zombies and pathetic, isn t it? he a was struck by two things. as paul was saying, he doesn t care what the results of the investigation are. he said in front of a roomful of donors, it doesn t matter. correct. number two, he was echoed by the number four house republican kathy mcmorris rogers who seems to be on board with this. and that makes me wonder if paul ryan is on board with it and the rest of house leadership. paul ryan has picked a side. he had the republican running the fbi come to his office and he said, no, do what devin nunes says. let me run something else. nunes thinks collusion is a crime. let s watch. now, if somebody thinks that my campaign or kathy s campaign is colluding with the chinese or you name the country, hey, could happen. it would be a very bad thing if kathy was getting secrets from the portuguese just because i m portuguese. she had secret relations with the portuguese. ultimately if there is stolen e-mail and she decided to release those, now we have a crime, right? if somebody stole e-mail, kathy released them. well, if that s the case, then that s criminal. so, if i replace portuguese for russians, i ve got the trump campaign in e-mail scandal. is there a trump tower in lisbon? what s he talking about? this is a break from the talking points we ve heard recently. we have heard both giuliani and trump and others on the hill, but i guess not nunes, not when this recording was made, suggest that collusion is not a crime. that this was sort of they took a meeting, it s a standard meeting to get damaging information about your opponent. none was provided t wasn t acted upon, nothing was done wrong. i ll defer to the lawyers, but it is conspiracy, not collusion. collusion is the term. this is striking he s laying out why this could be a problem for the president and perhaps what we were just talking about why this needs to go away before it comes to a conclusion about collusion. especially when we remember that nunes knows things that we don t know because he was privy to all kinds of top-secret information when he was overseeing the congressional investigation of the russian matters. or the fact that with this interesting information that, you know, he knows and mueller knows, he s saying, a, collusion is a crime, and b, he thinks that the president is in danger of being removed from office if objective fact finders get to look at it. that suggests that he thinks that trump is in trouble when the truth comes out. very good point. chuck, it makes it more devastating that he says all this goes away if we don t protect it. he actually in this recording acknowledges that trump may have committed crimes, that it may be a criminal act to have coordinated and colluded with the russians. i m assuming portuguese is whatever, fund raidser code for russians. he s calling that kind of criminal. but in the same remarks talks about how it is imperative, the most important strategic imperative for republicans is to get elected to make sure this doesn t all go away. i think that s exactly right, nicolle. we have to circle the wagons. we have to do what we can. we have to throw our bodies in front of this investigation to make sure that they don t get to the president. look, this may sound really corny, and perhaps trite, but there are objective facts. there is still such a thing as the truth. and my guess is that the mueller team is getting closer and closer to it every day which is why you re seeing some of the behavior, not just from nunes, but also in the president s tweets. something is coming and they have a pretty good idea what it is because they did it. and they re doing everything in their power, including trying to rally their base and hold onto the house in november to make sure something bad doesn t happen to the president. do you hear them describing the imperative to sort of gird themselves for a cover up? is that to me? nicolle? yes, is that what you hear when you listen to the tape in its entirety, he acknowledges collusion is a crime, but we have to icircle the wagons as yu just said, or all this goes away. it seems like he s green lighting in plain sight, engaging in a cover up to cover up what the president has done or is doing. it s at least a political cover up. i think the more interesting question is whether it s an actual legal or i should say unlawful cover up. you know, it reminds me of the fact that the president recently met with hope hicks on air force one. it s crazy to meet with a witness. we ve discussed this before. and it only prolongs the investigation and gives the investigators more people to talk to. every time you try and cover something up, you create some kind of trail whether it s digital or physical. you create some sort of trail for investigators. so to the extent that the trump team is complaining that the mueller investigation are taking too long, as i ve said before, they ought to stop creating new evidence at every turn. if they could just get the president to stop talking, tweeting, texting and giving rally speeches. laura ingraham had another shut up and dribble moment. we ll play for you what she said and get the stunned reaction of our panel. that s next. 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(vo) ask your health care provider about tresiba®. covered by most commercial health insurance and medicare part d plans. stay at la quinta. where we re changing with stylish make-overs. then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. bravo, tall meeting man. start winning today. book now at lq.com laura ingraham s lead story called the left s effort to remake america. and guess who enjoyed it a lot? david duke, the former leader of the kkk. he tweeted then deleted this, but we found it. one of the most important truthful monologues of the history of the mainstream media. do we still call them that? charlie sykes, the weekly standard. both msnbc political analysts. i have to start with you, charlie sykes. who is going to call the whistle, blow the whistle, call balls and strikes at a network that even while it had its sort of over the top commentators and opinion shows never served as a platform for the ideology of david duke in such a blatant, flagrant proud way? well, that s right. we ve heard this before. this is basically the kind of nativism, the no nothing this is racism, charlie sykes, this isn t nativism. this is also the essence of trumpism. i mean, she s articulated what donald trump is talking about, what he talked about when he came down that escalator. she s a more articulate racist? well, exactly. and, you know, look. this has been a recesssive gene on the right for many years. you remember the way people like ronald reagan and the bushes and john mccain thought about this country, understood that america is not about demography, it is about ideas. we are a country founded on the idea that all men are created equal, and yet this, this tradition is now being rejected. laura ingraham put it in the rawest terms. let s be honest about it. she is articulating the dominant ideology of this administration. charlie sykes, you know what needs to happen, a republican with a body party won t say should find a body party will say, a spine, and call on all republicans to boycott laura ingraham s program until she apologizes for articulating and embracing a racist ideology like disparaging legal immigration. that is a bridge i have never heard championed by republicans, never. john mccain say candidate, attacked one of his own supporters for calling barack obama a muslim. again, i agree. it s a recesssive gene in the republican party. those that won elections, they celebrated legal immigrants and illegal immigrants. jeb bush was run out of the republican primary for saying immigration is an act of love. now you have a prime host at another network articulating something cheered on by david duke. what s happening? what s happened over the last several years. compare what ronald reagan said in his shining city on a hill speech. his vision of america to what we re having right now. this has been happening over there for sometime. tucker carlson has been engaging in this kind of nativist rhetoric. again, the president of the united states, it s not just steve bannon. look, this is one of the animating ideas now that we have to take america back from people who have like distorted what we were what, the country that we were back in the 1950s. and, yes, republicans need to push back on it made great by legal immigration. i don t know when tucker carlson is on or what he does, i know laura ingraham to be very close to the president. and so to see someone who is in conduct with this white house, who champions she had the president s son on yesterday. she is as close to someone like sean hannity is. what does it say to see republicans i imagine tonight she ll have a full run down of republicans as guests. it means the republican party, at least right now, racism is perfectly fine. i ve said this did anyone disavow that today, david duke? no, but they re not going to because one of the things that happened in 2016 is racism was normalized. it was seen as something that people could be in public and it was perfectly acceptable in polite company to express racist views or what was traditionally thought of as racist views and you can still be accepted in polite society. and i think that, you know, hillary clinton talked specifically about when steve bannon was hired that it was, you know t wasn t the alt-right. we re talking about white nationalism. don t rebrand it as something that sounds softer. talk about it as racism. i appreciate that you say, no, it s racism. you know, i understand what charlie is saying in terms of calling it nativism. we always try to be measured when calling things racist. but this is the moment where we need to do it because it couldn t be more clear. she is basically saying, we want a country that is white. it used to be white and the demographic shifts that are happening in this country to make it a more brown country is something that makes people who watch laura ingraham very uncomfortable. and there is a meme on the internet that says when you re used to privilege equality feels like oppression. the grievances that white working class or at least what we like to call the white working class because working class is black people, people of all colors. the grievances that they re feeling, it has to do with the fact they have to compete with women and people of color and economic advancement. that feels like oppression when it shouldn t. i remember watching the right celebrate hill billy elogy. this is a book about white pain. never see them showcase the volumes of books of african-american pain. there was one book written by a compelling guy i m sure he ll end up in politics or really rich in silicon valley. nothing against him, it was a wonderful book. but it was celebrated by a lot of hosts on fox news because it was just this very, oh, wow, you know, it was really an articulation of white pain. this seems to be the extension of that, the extension of the grievance, the grievances and this strain as charlie said, this recesssive gene. but to add legal immigration to it is new and i wonder, sometimes fox news puts up a trial run for the president. stephen mill stephen miller trotted out some restrictions. should we be scared? you made the point stephen miller has been talking privately to float ideas along this line. it was a staple of the audience we d see at trump rallies in 2016. i d like to point out david duke keeps making interesting cameos during the trump era. he didn t disavow him right away. we have this. remember a year ago, almost exactly a year ago charlottesville, david duke saluted what president trump said on both sides. we re at the anniversary. this administration, we re seeing hosts on fox news, lisa swan, has done little to address that. and the feelings so much this country has about what president trump, how he responded to that moment. by blaming both sides. and there s been very little effort there for any sort of outreach, any sort of trying to suggest like this is a country we should try to bring things together. instead it is more division. it is a winning issue for republicans because a lot of their base is concerned about 2040. in 2040 white people will no longer be the majority. we won t have any one majority race. and that scares a lot of trump s base. they have nothing to worry about. it s already the case in california and texas, white people are not the majority there, but white folks are doing fine in california and texas. so chill. there is a legitimate conversation to be had, but that s not the one that we re having. just fact checking, legal immigrants, undocumented workers, both have lower rates of crime to people who were born here. as do legal immigrants. related topic this hour, a federal judge in washington today discovered the government deported an immigrant mother and daughter, both of them are plaintiffs in the asylum case the judge was overseeing. so the judge demanded, demanded that the administration turn the plane around and threaten that the attorney general be held in contempt wow, wow . judge soboroff has been following them. tell us where is the family, how are they and are they coming back? they could be, nicolle, be in the air from texas to el salvador. and when this family lands in el salvador, the plane will literally be turned around per the judge s orders and head back to the united states. the larger story here, the context is this was a case that was brought by the aclu with eight plaintiffs in washington, d.c. challenging the attorney general. we talked a lot about this with the family separations, challenging the attorney general s much stricter rules and regulations for actually claiming asylum now if you want to stay in the united states. and that involves no longer being able to bring claims as you once were with regard to domestic violence and gang violence. some of the main drivers that people flee places like he will valve door and honduras and guatemala to come to the united states for. and so to hear this judge today, i didn t actually listen in to the case, but to read the transcript and read what he said i want to read a little of it. in its rush to deport as many immigrants as possible, the trump administration is putting these women and children in grave danger of being raped, beaten, or killed. and he quite literally said to the government, get these people back here as soon as you can. you can t deport plaintiffs in the middle of a case when we re adjudicating this rule in the first place. tell us if this judge is this the first time i was reading from the transcript as well. he said this is pretty outrageous. his name is u.s. district judge emmet g. sullivan. that s right. and just to pick up on his personal reaction, i m not happy about this at all. this is not acceptable. is this, is he an outlier? has this been the reaction in other cases that have ended up before federal judges? no, actually it hasn t, nicolle. it s a great request. dana sabra adjudicating the case about family separations here in california just last week called the government s plan or lack of a plan, i guess we should say, to reunite the remaining 572 kids that were separated from their parents by the trump administration, quote-unquote, unacceptable and quite literally in an hour and 15 minutes from now we re expecting the government to file because the judge ordered them in a separate case, a new point person to reunite the remaining 572 kids that are still out there over two months after we first got inside the facilities in south texas and got a look at what the separated kids have gone through. i just want to be really clear. these eight plaintiffs in this case were not separated from their parents, but ultimately when the judge decides whether or not the asylum claims, the new asylum claim and guidelines jeff sessions put through are suitable, it could affect everybody, everybody that claims asylum including separated families. they all face deportation whether they re separated or not. let me ask you one more question, jacob. these are disproportionately women and children who are escaping the two things that were eliminated. gang violence and domestic violence, domestic abuse. yeah, 100% correct. and historically the people that would come to this country seeking asylum were unaccompanied minors like we ve talked a lot about and women and children with their families. and the case that jeff sessions actually hand picked involved a woman and her child fleeing one of these exact circumstances. basically overturn it and say we re not going to accept cases lie like that any more. nick, going back to the muslim ban incompetently carried out in the trump presidency, if the through line is being disparaged by federal judges, i m sure some appointed by republicans, incompetence has a pretty hefty price on the lives of the most vulnerable. these are just incompetently carried out policies of people in studios they can talk about and poke holes in. these are people whose lives are literally on the line based on the cruelty of the trump administration policies. well, it s hard to know if it s incompetence or deliberate choice sometimes. they certainly designed some of these policies to be cruel with the expressed purpose of making it a deterrent. i can t fathom the level of cruelty of send thing woman back given the known facts of the case. it s easier for us to talk about here as you point out. but to some extent they have embraced cruelty as a deterrent which itself is striking. they ve embraced cruelty as a policy driver. tool. again, these are not liberal judges. these are judges, jacob, who are pointing to the policy problem i mean, these judges aren t using their platforms to talk about make the points i m making about the cruelty of the policies. these are not feasible from a logistical standpoint. this hearing was underway and this woman and her child were on an airplane. let me just say to nick s point, nicolle, about deterrence, we know the u.s. government knows the trump administration knows the border patrol knows that deterrence as a policy has unintended consequence. dangerous, unintended consequence. in this case this family is stulk in the stuck in the middle and they re bounced back and forth between this country and el salvador. in the 90s the clinton administration put in an official policy prevention through deterrence. it did reduce border crossings but result ed in a huge strike of people dying in the desert people trying to get around existing infrastructure to make it here. it s no secret deterrence has horrible unintended consequence that during the trump administration will lead to a generation of young migrants with traumatic experiences they ll be living with the rest of their lives. jacob soboroff, thank you for bringing us this story. we ll stay on it. the judge in the manafort trial back peddles on his own favor for behavior which seems to favor the defendant. that s next. caesar in his own rome, but the federal judge in paul manafort s trial today realized he may have gone too far. for days, t.s. ellis has berated, interrupted and criticized robert mueller s prosecutors but this morning he began the day with an apology, referencing a tense exchange he had yesterday with the lead prosecutor over a witness in front of the jury. ellis committed he, quote, may have been wrong. wow. and added that he makes mistakes like any human, and, quote, this robe doesn t make me any more of a human. chuck rosenberg is back and has appeared before judge ellis. has he ever apologized before as far as you know? look, in court, nicolle, particularly in trial, you re stressed, you re tired, you re cranky, everyone makes mistakes. i ve been in front of judge ellis a whole bunch of times and he s admitted when he s wrong. but i can tell you this too, you don t have to berate counsel from the bench. i can give you a small example but i remember once with another judge in the eastern district of virginia coming back from lunch with chewing gum in my mouth. not a crime against humanity. but the judge was upset with me and called me to the bench. at the bench out of the earshot of the jury asked me to get rid of the gum, handed me a tissue and discreetly and politely took care of the, quote unquote, problem. judge ellis can do that. every time he is concerned about something one of the counsel does, he can call them to the bench. he doesn t have to berate people in front of the jury. that s the problem here. chuck, this is a nonlawyer who s never appeared in front of judge ellis. what seemed weird to me is that all of his conduct seemed to be in one direction. it was all hostile from the prosecution. so from the outside looking in, he accused of lead prosecutor of having tears in his eyes. he banned the word oligarch. the clients that paul manafort have are all oligarchs. the conduct didn t just seem grouchy or cantankerous just to push back a little bit on your thesis, it seemed all in the direction of being against the prosecutors and helpful to the defense. in this case it did. i ve seen it go both ways. i ve seen him, you know, sort of take out his bad day on defense counsel, on prosecutors, on whoever happens to be standing in front of him at the time. so i am a little bit troubled because i think if there s too much on one side it can tilt that scale of justice, and i sure as heck hope that doesn t happen here. but i ve seen him give it to both sides. again, there s a middle path. you can call counsel to the bench if you re confused about something they re doing or angry with them for something that they re doing. it doesn t have to be within the earshot of the jury. and i guess that s it. you can t put the toothpaste back in the tube. the jury heard him berate the prosecutors, paul butler. now in the judge s defense, there is a little bit of bling bling in the case with the million dollar antique rug and $15,000 ostrich jacket. it s an ugly jacket too. a nice rug. you ve never seen nick in november. hey, at the end of the day, this is a long, boring documents case. as a prosecutor, what you re concerned about is the jury going to sleep of the and so what the judge is doing is trying to move the case along. but nicolle, you re right, the question will be the defense starts its case today. is the judge as impatient with the defense as he was with the prosecution. i ve got a judge ellis who wants us to wrap this. chuck rosenberg, thank you for your time. we re going to sneak in a break and be right back. it s pretty amazing out there. the world is full of more possibilities than ever before. and american express has your back every step of the way- whether it s the comfort of knowing help is just a call away with global assist. or getting financing to fund your business. no one has your back like american express. so where ever you go. we re right there with you. the powerful backing of american express. don t do business without it. don t live life without it. i saw my leg did not look right. i landed. i was just finishing a ride. i felt this awful pain in my chest. i had a pe blood clot in my lung. i was scared. i had a dvt blood clot. having one really puts you in danger of having another. my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®. to help keep me protected. xarelto® is a latest-generation blood thinner that s. proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt or pe blood clots from happening again. in clinical studies, almost 98% of patients on xarelto® did not experience another dvt or pe. xarelto® works differently. warfarin interferes with at least 6 of your body s natural blood-clotting factors. xarelto® is selective, targeting just one critical factor. don t stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase risk of blood clots. while taking, you may bruise more easily, or take longer for bleeding to stop. xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. it may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. get help right away for unexpected bleeding or unusual bruising. do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. before starting, tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures and any kidney or liver problems. learn all you can. to help protect yourself from another dvt or pe. talk to your doctor about xarelto®. charlie sykes, i need you to wrap up this magic carpet ride for us. where are we? 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working for stone in 2010. in august 2017 she took over as stone s scheduler, but she says she did not work for him during the 2016 presidential election. kristin davis is a good friend of mine. she is a brilliant woman who has paid her debt to set. she was not working for me during 2015. she worked for me during a portion of 2016. she went back to school to learn i.t. skills. she has helped me build some websites. she has no knowledge whatsoever of any russian collusion, collaboration with wikileaks, or anything else having to do with the 2016 election. stone is not only under suspicion, but might be a target of the special counsel s investigation. already mueller s team has interviewed two people close to trump s long-time confidant. a third was held in contempt for refusing to comply with a subpoena. ari melber broke the news last Katy Tur hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. jail, or ask for a stay pending an appeal by a appellate court to test whether or not the summons was correct or not. sometimes a subpoena is overbroad, sometimes it asks for material that s privileged. i would think he wouldn t be held in contempt unless he had no basis for it. we keep going back to roger stone and this is our lead story because this is something that keeps coming up with the mueller investigation. what does stone have to do with the russia investigation. and from what we have been able to piece together is that from other witnesses who have been interviewed by the special counsel s team and the reporting that we have done is that it could be that mueller s team is seeing stone as a back channel to julian assange, to wikileaks, and whether or not he knew about the emails that wikileaks was going to lease before they released them. after all he sweeted it will soon tweeted it will be john podesta s time in the barrel. it was john podesta s time in the barrel. extension. wikileaks is believed to be that organization. stone is kept surfacing as a predictor of what was the information to come and the guccifer 2.0 account was cited in there. that was openly available information. that is not really clear is which of these people or which of these things are coming up. so the manhattan madam, what did she have in terms of access? she knows timeline. she can help corroborate that. she knows communications and she may know finances. it could be about other associates she saw and you would want to confirm the timelines, especially when you are dealing with the wikileaks issue. who is randy cred co? an activist in new york. he has been involved with politics. he does impersonations of people on phones. he used to go on the albany show all the time with the new york post guy. what does he have to do with roger stone? roger claimed that he was his conduit or he was his contact for who gave him information in germs of julian assange or wikileaks and what was going to be released. i was asked about their relationship. it came in 2013 when we were going to use kristin davis to run as a libertarian comptroller against eliot spitzer. she got arrested, so we couldn t continue. he was a subject. what was interesting from what you were saying is they specifically asked me, what do you know about roger and donald trump? how often they communicated? let s say at that time late in the fall, to which i gave them some information i knew that was never asked in the grand jury. they didn t need it on the record. interesting. sam nunberg, anna schechter, clint watts. stay tuned. john flannery, we have more questions for you basil breaking news in the paul manafort trial as we said up top. the court was scheduled to reconvene a couple minutes ago after an abrupt and unexpected recess this morning. the prosecution was expected to rest its case today, but then judge t.s. ellis halted proceedings and ordered the jury to return at 1:45. it is now 2:12. we are waiting for an up jat from our reporters in the courtroom. john, given your experience in matters like these, what s going on in your estimation? why would a judge halt proceedings so abruptly? well, there are two paths here. one is what was said by the judge in court as reported. there was a 15-minute recess in which they talked with both defense and prosecution on a sidebar with white sound being pumped through the courtroom. and then he said that he had to take two hours. he being the judge, judge ellis. he said that he had other matters pending that he had to take care of. that didn t sound true to me because he s been pushing this trial to go forward and the government would rest today. so it doesn t make sense to me that he wouldn t have scheduled that before the regular court date for this trial. there is also a report that he asked for the roll of the jurors. that makes it sound like there is a question about one of the jurors and maybe that juror or jurors is being questioned about what other contacts they may have had or what information they may have gotten that is prescribed against being received by any juror during the trial. there is also a strong instruction to the jurors when he told them they were going to have a recess until about 20 minutes ago, which is now extended, as you noted, and the instruction was whatever you do, don t talk about the case, don t deal with anyone, and that s a usual instruction, but those in the courtroom apparently thought it was very stern. the question of juror misconduct usually starts with an interview of the juror, if that s what happened, and that can be a lengthy process and there can be a question of who else one spoke with and so forth. again, that s a speculation. but it seems to fit more likely why we ve had this recess than other explanations like he had to handle other cases. and just one other thing. there was a sidebar discussion between the lawyers and the judge a little bit earlier today that the prosecution wanted to get sealed. the judge agreed to seal the sidebar discussion. it concerned some of rick gates testimony, and it seems indicate, it points us to, and tell me if i m wrong, but it seems to point that rick gates testimony could be about other things he said about the larger russia investigation. exactly. and whether there was any coordination with the trump campaign. the question was put by the defense. it s interesting. the defense didn t want any reference to the campaign or trump. the judge basically ruled that that would be the case. then the defense on cross of gates asked him whether or not he had testified in cooperation with mr. mueller about the campaign, and that s when it was objected to by the prosecution. then they went and had the sidebar, and that s when, as a result of that sidebar at the end of it, the prosecution asked to seal the entire matter and there were no further questions and he wasn t permitted, as i understand it, to answer in the courtroom whether or not he had given testimony. and it s kind of interesting because gates may have had some contact with stone. we have other witnesses that may be in a position to testify about contacts with stone. so this may or not we ll know sometime soon, i suspect, after the manafort trial, what the connections are. we can guess that mr. x is mr. gates and so forth. plainly, he has been cooperating with the campaign. that makes sense. he was working with the trump transition period as well. so he carries on after manafort was not involved in the campaign and was not involved in the transition. very true. john flannery. john, thank you very much. thank you. up next, donald trump s former white house aide and long-time associate now says that donald trump is a racist. 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well, katy, i think not to correct you, i think that was his statement about charlottesville. that s the tweet on the anniversary of charlottesville to continue to play the race politics of the nfl and to go after these athletes who, the last time i checked, as we ve beat this horse many times, know have a constitutional right to express their views in that setting. so i think the president did respond to charlottesville through his tweet this morning, and it again is not, you know, a dog whistle or a bullhorn. it s all kinds of noise, but the fact of the matter is it plays to a base response that he wants to illicit, that gives him comfort and they are comfortable with the folks who love those tweets. zerlina? i agree. i think the base of the republican party right now or some of the folks in the base of the republican party are very tolerant of racism. that is the state that we are in right now as a country. charlottesville was a flashpoint for this country. after charlottesville, if you stayed on the side of supporting donald trump, after he said that there were very fine people standing among nazis, then you picked a side. you stood on the side of the line where you said nazis are perfectly fine with me. and i think that every single time donald trump says something that could be considered racist or is racist, we have a responsibility as citizens to call it out because there are actual consequences in the real world. neil wilson as a young woman, a young african-american woman killed in oakland, california on public transportation allegedly by a white nationalist, and i think that when violence is happening in the real world to black and brown people as a result of some of this rhetoric, we have to call it out. we have a responsibilities. talking to people who stayed in the administration after that, after donald trump said these things about charlottesville, i double checked to find out when exactly omarosa was fired from the white house or left the white house, depending who you believed, and it s december of 2017. that s quite a while after, michael, what happened in charlottesville. yet, today she is coming out and claiming it was uncomfortable for her to be there and she had to take a stand or she is claiming that this in book. what do you make of this? hashtag not credible. you know, can we just not please, let s not go down this rabbit hole, people. i am not buying the, oh my god, woe is me, this was horrible when it was made very clear to us by omarosa that those of us who were repeld by this president s behavior, his words and actions would bow down to him. my question to her is, are you now bowing down to him? the rest of us who have a problem with this, which you now seem to have, we were told this would be the consequence. i am not buying this. it s about book sales. it s about being close to the president. it wouldn t surprise me if she and the president have worked out it reality tv production and this is all just nor traumore d b.s. to distract us from the real narratives eat agent this country on race, on economy, on health care, and certainly, you know, everything else. i just i m not playing this. sorry. let s play omarosa in that front line interview that you referenced. it aired in september of 2017. i can tell you, because i was involved in it, it was taped in the fall right after the election. so it was at least taped right after the election. here s what omarosa said about president trump. every critic, every detractor will have to bow down to president trump. it s everyone who has ever doubted donald, whoever disagreed, whoever challenged him. it is the ultimate revenge to become the most powerful man in the universe. i mean, i think it s ironic that today we are like omarosa said donald trump is a racist as if what he says in private he hasn t also been saying in public where we can see it for the past few years. he started as a birther. he said the central park five deserved the death penalty. it s not a mystery he is racist. omarosa is saying what we all know is not really breaking news. she is validating it. and as for those tapes, i have to say people have heard whispers people have been talking about the existence of these tapes. i think people have been tweeting about the existence of these tapes and demanding that mark burnett release them for many years. this is not new reporting. it s not new stuff that s out there. nobody has heard these tapes. nobody has gone on the record with their name saying, i have heard this tape, i have heard the president say these things. omarosa is now just talking about second-hand knowledge here. something else. moving on from omarosa. let s go to fox news. let s play, first off, what laura ingraham said the other night about the changing demographics in this country. because in some parts of the country it does seem like the america that we know and love doesn t exist anymore. massive demographic changes have been foisted upon the american people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for and most of us don t like from virginia to california. we see stark examples of how radically in some ways the country has changed. now, much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration that, of course, progressives love. i m going to give that to you first. i think we have to stop pretending this is not racism. this is plain, you know, open and out there racism. she is talking about race. when she is using the word demographic shift or the words demographic shift, she is talking about the racial makeup of this country and the fact that in a few years we are going to be a majority brown country. white people will not be the majority in the country anymore, and the folks that are not comfortable with that are consuming fox and it s dangerous what she is saying. there is violence happening to black and brown people in the real world. i have a new clip in a moment. i am going to take a brief pause. we have news in the paul manafort trial. michael and zerlina, stick with us basil that breaking news in the paul manafort trial. nbc news national security and justice reporter julia ainsley has just left the courtroom. what s been going on? reporter: so, katy, we just got out of a three and a half hour recess only to come back and have the judge say, please bring your next witness. this is incredibly unusual because it was seen as there was a issue with a jury. over this recess the sergeant-at-arms was seen going to the zwrjury chamber, bringin them to the judge s chambers. we have seen the court reporter. there will be transcripts of what happened come out later. we were preparing for a possible mistrial. we were just scrambling out here to give you the news to find they have called their next witness, dennis ricoh. he was on the schedule to go before the jury. he worked at the federal savings banks, which gave a $16 million loan to paul manafort. so the key here now is to see if one of those jurors has been dismissed. i was not in a position where i could see how many came in at the time. we are going to see if maybe perhaps an alternate there were four alternates in the case who might have swapped in with one of the 12 main jurors. one thing that the judge said today before we left for this long recess was to remind them at least three times not to talk amongst themselves or with anyone from the outside about this case. of course, that s hard to do because there is so much coverage of this case and there are so many high opinions of it because of paul manafort s relationship to the trump campaign. that s what we have for now. we will be looking at that as we go. come back out if you have any updates. appreciate it. and now let s go back to zerlina and michael. i want to get one more beat on this conversation about race and play that fox news clip i teased a moment ago. here is something from fox this morning. a hispanic guest saying that dems have to import illegal immigrants to vote for them, and also addressing black population growth. watch. a lot of people in the black community are recognizing that the democrat party is throwing them overboard for illegal aliens because what do you mean? well, the democrat party has been so good at promoting abortion inside of the black community, has been so good about curtailing the population in the black community, it s no longer a growing demographic in this country as compared to the rest of the country. so the democrats see their future of importing illegal aliens from all over the world into this country and those in the black community here in the united states are witnessing the democrat party chucking them overboard. michael, what s going on at fox news? i have no idea. i thought you would pass that one to zerlina. i mean, that was a meeting apparently i was not at. so, zerlina, i don t know if he had a meeting we don t know about. all of a sudden this is happening in our community? look, this is the level of crazy that we are in right now. we are in a reality tv space. every moment of the day is another episode of someone coming out speaking from a part of their body that the sun never reaches, and i think that s important for us to give context to this and understand that this is gibberish. there is a demographic shift occurring in this country. on a conservative level, 2043 is the turning point. i predict it will probably be a little bit earlier where you have a black and hispanic, black and brown united states. there are a lot of white folks inside and outside my party, inside and outside the democratic party, americans who are not happy about that prospect. this is the kind of crazy you get when people aren t happy. okay. we are going to move on to one other topic. we are going to talk about congress. to do that i want to bring in nbc political reporter alley vitale. my cohort on the campaign trail in 2016. she is back on the road covering the midterms. there is a lot of drama within the democratic party maybe drama is an inflated word for this. but there is talk about nancy pelosi and whether or not nancy pelosi should remain as leader, and if it comes to that, speaker of the house if the democrats are able to retake control. nbc news has done a survey and counted more than 50 democratic candidates who oppose pelosi as the leader. nine of them are incumbents. we know there have been an onslaught of gop ads against a number of democrats running for congress in the midterms trying to link them with her. nancy pelosi is a gop bogey man. what s going on? that s exactly right. i mean, it s not the first time we have seen republicans use this strategy of pegging every democrat in the field to nancy pelosi because to the average voter who doesn t spend all day watching cable news they have to pick the least common denominator of who do people associate with the democratic brand. as much as this is a republican tactic to trot out nancy pelosi to push voters back into the conservative camp, you are seeing in a lot of these red to blue districts that the dccc is trying to bring back into the fold, it s candidates who know if they take a position either way, yes, republicans will jump on them, but it s also kind of hard for democrats to say i m a first-time politician, i m running for the first time, sfroert me, and we are going to keep the same leadership we have had. as much as it s a republican thing, the challenge has been that it s from the left, it s from folks like alexandria ocasio-cortez who said she didn t want to vote for pelosi, now says she is willing to vote for her as an option. so it s a really interesting trend. maybe drama is not the right word. it s something percolating and it could become a little bit more dramatic closer to november. is it because pelosi is part of the old guard and they want fresh faces? is it because she is so good at raising none and there is a push back in taking money from super pc pacs, cleaning out politics? or because the gop have her to run against and they use it when they can as successful, i don t know, a baton as they can make it? i think it s a combination of all of those things. the attacks on nancy pelosi and hillary clinton, too, i call this is the who does she think she is rule of american politics. you think it s because she is a woman? yes. not only because she s a woman. i m not saying that all of the criticism of nancy pelosi is because she s a woman, but a lot of the criticism is because she was a successful speaker. she did not put any bills on the floor that did not pass. john boehner and paul ryan cannot say that. the fact that she is a very effective whipper of the votes, she always has a couple in her back pocket, makes sure that the legislation she puts on the floor is definitely successful. i think young ambitious men, they are the most outspoken in terms of their criticism of nancy pelosi. i think we have to speak truth to power when we re talking about women in leadership positions and ambitious women and how we critique them in a different way we do men in the same position. michael, what are your thoughts? and i like to agree with zerlina. my take away is this key thing, having done battle with nancy pelosi directsly in 2009 and 2010 is she is effective. she is effective as hell. she is a very competent politician and, you know, i think a lot of democrats who underestimate her ability to work her will on that caucus are going to be sitting there with a lot of egg on their face come january of next year as they vote her in as the next speaker, if she wants it. that s the thing that s going to be really the most important part of this narrative, is if nancy pelosi decides, yes, she wants to finish the job that she has started when she was speaker under this particular president. then it will be a battle royale because she will not go nicely into that good night. she is from baltimore. she is from a very, very powerful and strong political family from back in the day. she learned well the art craft of politics. you saw, to zerlina s point, she worked it magically to get everything she wanted done, done. republicans can t say that. even democrats before her can t say that. so you cannot take away her effectiveness. if she wants it, she will get it. thank you for setting it up for us. always good to see you. lonely on the campaign trail without you. don t worry. you will see me again soon. michael steele, zerlina maxwell, thank you for knocking all the pins down for us. we covered every topic in the last 15 minutes. thank you, guys. up next, why a federal judge threatened to hold attorney general jeff sessions in contempt. i was just finishing a ride. i felt this awful pain in my chest. i had a pe blood clot in my lung. i was scared. i had a dvt blood clot. having one really puts you in danger of having another. my doctor and i chose xarelto®. xarelto®. to help keep me protected. xarelto® is a latest-generation blood thinner that s. proven to treat and reduce the risk of dvt or pe blood clots from happening again. in clinical studies, almost 98% of patients on xarelto® did not experience another dvt or pe. xarelto® works differently. warfarin interferes with at least 6 of your body s natural blood-clotting factors. xarelto® is selective, targeting just one critical factor. don t stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase risk of blood clots. while taking, you may bruise more easily, or take longer for bleeding to stop. xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. it may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. get help right away for unexpected bleeding or unusual bruising. do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. before starting, tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures and any kidney or liver problems. learn all you can. to help protect yourself from another dvt or pe. talk to your doctor about xarelto®. i ve been making blades here at gillette for 20 years. there s a lot of innovation that goes into making america s #1 shave. precision machinery and high-quality materials from around the world. nobody else even comes close. now starting at $7.99. gillette. the best a man can get. but he has plans today.ain. hey dad. so he took aleve. if he d taken tylenol, he d be stopping for more pills right now. only aleve has the strength to stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. aleve. all day strong. these are the specialists we re proud to call our own. experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. expert medicine works here. learn more at cancercenter.com but if something happened to you. you need life insurance! and chances are selectquote can get it for you for under a dollar a day! selectquote found michael, 38, a $500,000 policy for under $23 a month. selectquote found anna, 37, a $750,000 policy for under $22 a month. selectquote s secret? 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is it going to come to jeff sessions actually being held in contempt, and what it should. it should. katy, this is i m stunned. absolutely stunned, as somebody that worked for the justice department for 35 years, been involved in the field for 45 years. the level of disrespect for the judiciary, the unprofessionalism of the department of justice attorneys and the just plain stupidity of the litigation strategy under jeff sessions is simply stunning. now, i ll tell you that when i was the general counsel of the old ins, we had a few instances where, by mistake, somebody who was under a stay got put on an airplane. you go in there. you basically get on your knees. you tell the judge, judge, i m so sorry, it s going to be taken care of, we apologize. i ll tell my clients not to do that. you know, these attorneys go in and basically, judge, you know, it s not your problem. i am stunned. because they are doing it and they are shrugging their shoulders, as you just said, what happens after that? what recourse do the judges have to hold the government accountable for this beyond what they are already doing? well, i think judge sullivan just showed you. i think i actually think judges have been remarkably tolerant. the judge in the separation of families case. basically, the justice department took an in your face position of, judge, you find them. and the judge, you know, has worked to try to get you know, told the government to find them. but that s in in your face position. i think sessions should definitely be held in contempt, and ultimately he can go to jail. that s exactly where he belongs. wow. jacob soboroff, what happens next? let s me say judge sullivan in the case in washington and then judge zabra in the southern look, i knew nothing about immigration law and immigration cases and what happened in federal court before i saw these kids locked up in cages. judge sabra is the reason these children are being reunited in the first place. the government never had a plan. the aclu brought this case out here in california and the judge basically said, where is the plan? 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what s the u.s. doing in yemen? well, it was the arab spring and yemen fell into chaos, various factions started fighting each other. the houthis, which are aligned with iran, took over the capital. saudis and the emirates didn t like that so they wanted to fight the houthis, and the u.s. at that time, the obama administration, was trying to keep the saudis happy as it was putting together the iran deal so it reluctantly signed on for this adventure. at this point, it s just gotten worse and worse and worse. what was supposed to be an effort to get the houthis out of the capital of yemen that was supposed to take a few months has now dragged on, as matt bradley pointed out, for three years. i get that. but why is the u.s. directly involved in this fight? why does the u.s. see it as a necessary for our troops to be out there? well, i mean unfortunately it s become sort of part of this almost soviet-era style proxy war between the united states and iran. so because the houthis have gotten closer and closer to iran and to tehran and hezbollah, the u.s. feels it s sort of incumbent on itself to support the effort to fight it. you have a very poor country in yemen that doesn t have a lot of resources. one thing that s very important about it is that it abuts a very narrow stretch of water through which a very large chunk of the world s oil supplies go through. and so in a sense, it s a war over a very important strategic piece of territory in the middle east that the u.s. feels is important. so the u.s. says it was not involved in this. the washington post is reporting on the nature of u.s. involvement in general in support of saudi arabia in yemen and they report the u.s. is helping the coalition. the only party in the conflict to use warplanes with refueling, intelligence and billions in weapons sales. the coalition mostly uses u.s. and british-made fighter jets. human rights groups and washington post journalist seen remnants of u.s.-made bombs at attack sites where civilians were struck. the u.s. as of now i think cannot say, and correct me if i m wrong on this, but cannot say whether they made the bomb that hit this school bus, but heather nauert, spokesperson for the state department, was asked about this and whether or not the u.s. would rethink its support for saudi arabia in yemen after this attack which killed so many kids. she s called for an investigation and said that they are concerned. borzou, what do you make of that? well, at this point, katy, the details that you mention i think are important but almost beside the point. the trump administration is so close to the saudis and the emirates, it seems to be you can t really distinguish where one country s policy ends and where the other begins. you know, we basically through almost happenstance without really planning it have gotten into bed with this whole war and it s really hard to get out at this point. ugly things are happening. the war is getting uglier. you have maggie michaels of the associated press has been reporting on these horrendous human rights abuses allegedly at the hands of our allies in yemen. we re very close to the emirates and close to the saudis politically. there s no criticism of anything that saudi arabia does at this point in the region. so it really, i think, hurts the u.s. image, it makes the u.s. seem like it s hypocrites condemning certain wars but not condemning others. condemning certain human rights abuses but not others, and it makes it a very, very tough position for u.s. diplomats who are trying to explain the u.s. position abroad as well as in other contexts. here s what the pentagon told vox. we may never know if the munition used was one that the u.s. sold to them. another pentagon spokesperson said the u.s. central command was not involved in the air strike in saada. thank you very much for joining us today, we appreciate it. we ll be right back. the line between work and life hasn t just blurred. it s gone. that s why you need someone behind you. not just a card. an entire support system. whether visiting the airport lounge to catch up on what s really important. or even using those hard-earned points to squeeze in a little family time. no one has your back like american express. so no matter where you re going. we re right there with you. the powerful backing of american express. don t do business without it. don t live life without it. if yor crohn s symptoms are holding you back, and your current treatment hasn t worked well enough, it may be time for a change. ask your doctor about entyvio, the only biologic developed and approved just for uc and crohn s. entyvio works at the site of inflammation in the gi tract and is clinically proven to help many patients achieve both symptom relief and remission. infusion and serious allergic reactions can happen during or after treatment. entyvio may increase risk of infection, which can be serious. pml, a rare, serious, potentially fatal brain infection caused by a virus may be possible. this condition has not been reported with entyvio. tell your doctor if you have an infection, experience frequent infections or have flu-like symptoms or sores. liver problems can occur with entyvio. if your uc or crohn s treatment isn t working for you, ask your gastroenterologist about entyvio. entyvio. relief and remission within reach.
you re watching news coming up next doc film the renaissance factor part two they ll be more at the top of the hour thanks for joining us. europe i ll be going to. put what s become of it. what will it look like tomorrow. evening for a better future isn t enough. requires work which is sufficient. you know actions twenty nineteen may twenty sixth on g.w. . the renaissance was when people started keeping track of time. locksmith peterhead life invented the pocket watch in fifteen ten it soon became a profit tool merchants and a fortune with it. and it is out seafarers to navigate the distant oceans. shortly before christopher columbus had arrived in the americas and the known world triple up inside. people began to understand our planets in new ways and an empire rose on which the sun never sets. this was all thanks to the new portable timepieces scholars could measure and calculate the paths of the heavenly bodies more accurately discovering the mechanisms of planetary motion and ultimately placing the sun at the heart of our solar system. the way to the stars was opened at least in the mind of the pockets. watch and the other inventions of the renaissance helped transform europe and the world. needs. florence in fifteen zero four you noted of him she was a towering figure in an era that became known as the renaissance when the best known painting of all time was created. the mona lisa the mysterious beauty with the inscrutable smile. it s probably a portrait of lisa del gioconda the wife of a cloth and soap merchant from florence. apparently leonardo took years to finish it the artist always struggled with his works he was never satisfied with them and was always trying to perfect them. or the tenth one set of him this man will never accomplish anything how wrong he was. not it was a polarizing figure charming and erudite he was also described as for bush and vain a man who was openly homosexual at a time when gay men were persecuted even burned at the stake. united of inchy is considered one of the most versatile geniuses of all time. the star of the renaissance was much more than just an artist he was also an architect anatomist sculptor mathematician iconoclast inventor. for the brilliant creator of the mona lisa painting was perhaps just a necessary evil. i mean a thirteen paintings are attributed to leonardo today most have been lost because he was constantly experimenting with new paint mixes many of which decomposed over time he cared more about his inventions than he did about painting. you know when it came to his innermost desires leonardo was a seeker and explore someone who was interested in new ideas mystery rather than a painter who laboriously tended to his craft every day brush stroke after brush stroke and hunt. deeply. we know that he sometimes made just minor corrections to a painting and that he wasn t in front of a canvas all the time. maybe he just painted to make a living. his paintings were in great demand after all. they were extremely well done at least those that he finished. with. maybe he just painted her on the money he needed to have the freedom he needed to pursue his scientific research. because. in the fifteenth century issue he was ravaged by numerous conflicts then is defeated paddler and florence come to peace in force you know fine in fourteen thirteen the neapolitans attacked rome. in four hundred forty four florence went to war against both naples and venice. the talon cities had an insatiable appetite for conquest but their constant battles feel progress. had become a promoter of art. the war didn t just have negative effects and the renaissance it ensured that huge sums of money were mobilized to the conduct of the military contractors. they were often based in small cities or towns from where they waged the wars of the big players for big money. that meant well from florence milan naples venice and rome flowed into smaller places. if you go to italy and enjoy the beauty and diversity of these small towns you get an idea of what it meant back then to turn war and iron into gold and gold into art school. milan in four hundred eighty five you not o s employer was loaded because what you group the city state. you know to apply to work for him as a military engineer and maker of weapons mentioning his painting and sculpture in passing that if eco had great expansion. it was reading himself for war. and so leonardo ended up building high tech weapons for the sports. inspired by antiquity he can bind the idea of an enclosed chariot with the torches formation used by the roman legions in seats warfare. it was supposed to be an armored vehicle with incredible firepower but it failed in practice it was too heavy to move easily and the steam engine hadn t yet been invented. the codex atlantica contains more than a thousand pages with sketches by leonardo he designs of perpetual motion machine a gearbox and vehicles powered by springs. but many of his creations still puzzle us even now. something this called device was a mechanical calculator other critics say that interpretation goes a step too far in the renaissance there was no way of actually constructing a mechanical gear train like this of course leonardo knew that but that didn t stop his theoretical innovations and some of them were groundbreaking. you know his love of mechanics chimes with the spirit of the times like him many pioneering minds was searching for machines that might save people the earth and the universe in motion. clocks were the most mechanically elaborate devices of leonardo s time. when pacer henline invented his pocket watch in the early sixteenth century people started believing themselves the masters of time. but those who earn money with time by learning money for said periods while charging interest a mortal sin. time still belong to god alone. the program bishan on charging interest is in the christian bible it s one of the really important biblical probably almost as important as thou shalt not kill. that s because people believed that humans shouldn t profit from time because time belong to god. but in the late middle ages and the renaissance the economy had come to play a totally different role. money had to be available in the economy and making money and time available was beneficial so you had to make it worth your while. for. as a result there were more and more ways of getting around the ban on charging interest in practice from. the imperial decrees of the sixteenth century and now allowed christian money lenders to charge and next him a five percent interest on money. until then the credit industry had been solely in the hands of jewish money lenders this now changed. most elusive still denounce the practice of charging interest but the swiss reformer john calvin had quite a different opinion. for. calvin said that people could determine from their economic success whether they were predestined to salvation or damnation. what that meant people didn t just sit around to see whether they would be chosen. they worked incredibly hard. the great sociologist marx of aber said that calvinism was the father of capitalism. but we know that other religious movements of the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries did just as much to spur the economy. it was really the overall forces in society at the time along with technical developments that led to the incredible economic boom. the city of cyrix started setting up official currency exchanges in fourteen nineteen. the money changers tended to be goldsmiths or coin winters because they had to be able to tell the value of the coins. they changed currencies and they also made loans. with this and calvinist traditions switzerland became a banking pioneer and affluence became a symbol of divine favor. measuring time is still inseparably time to exploring the heavens. renaissance thinkers had already set their sights on the stars many medieval time pieces were astronomical clocks. the exact measurement of time is a necessary requirement for studying the motion of the sun moon and planets. it was the start of an age in which scholars began to challenge the church s worldview saying that the sun didn t revolve around the earth and the earth was not the center of the universe. from book in poland in around fifteen forty. nicolaus copernicus was a canon at the cathedral there as well as a high ranking government official. he was also a lawyer physician and mathematician as well as an economist who wrote a highly regarded work on the. theory of money but his real passion was astronomy. his astronomical observations and calculations contradicted the generally accepted model originally posited by the ancient scholar claudius ptolemy namely that the earth was at the center of the solar system. this geocentric world view was essential teaching of the church. copernicus believed the sun was at the center of the solar system. but even though he spent thirty years working on his theory he kept quiet about it his friends and confidantes including some high ranking clerics tried to persuade him to publish his work but without success. the fire burning because it was scared of publishing his theory because he was afraid he would make himself a laughing stock. educated people knew that the earth wasn t flat that it was a sphere. in copernicus s world view this fear was also moving. spawn on its own axis and also orbited the sun at high speed. people believe that this would have an perceivable consequences the earth would be subjected to strong headwind and objects would tip over and things like that. and then there was the theological aspect that martin luther threw into the mix. he told copernicus that the bible said that the sun moved around the earth and not the other way around so copernicus was wrong and that scared copernicus into keeping quiet and it appears that. martin luther called copernicus a fool and his model was dismissed not so much as heretical but more as fantastical . it was only seventy years after his death that galileo s observations provide a convincing arguments. but the physical proof had to wait for another three hundred years nevertheless nicholas copernicus had provided the s. . a nominal model of our solar system and refuted the ancient scholar ptolemy and that in itself was revolutionary. the earth was ultimately removed from the center of the universe and classified as an ordinary planet that orbited the sun along with others. copernicus saw how the apparent motion of the stars in the night sky was really the result of the earth s own rotation. everything orbited the sun so the actual center of the solar system had to be near it. hardly any other discovery has had such a great influence on our time. our voyage to the stars began five hundred years ago without copernicus they would be no space flight all satellite communication systems and our lives today would be very different. tones her to her a calculations performed by copernicus have had a real impact on us today we sent our space ships into space knowing where the planets were if ptolemy s worldview had been correct we would have reached none of those planets and it all would have been a waste of time. the advent of the cross stuff also known as jacob staff made it possible to determine latitude at sea using astronomical calculations. this breakthrough in maritime technology made it possible to navigate on the high seas. and further achievements came with if america astronomical tables calculated by the german astronomer and mathematician you had this miller who was also known as montana. his tables recorded the location of celestial bodies from fourteen seventy five to fifteen zero six. together with the jacob stuff they guided silas on their journey this. one ponders what montana was made people in europe aware of trigonometry he published his own work taking advantage of the new invention of printing gutenberg s invention of the printing press walk through like trigonometry is still central to navigation calculations and to g.p.s. receivers around the world. for. trigonometry was the key to navigation and the search for new trade routes emboldened the explorers of the renaissance who sought new sources of wealth. people started pondering completely new questions what lies beyond the known world and how can we get there. europe s merchants realize that it was cheaper to bring large quantities of pepper cinnamon and silk to europe by the portuguese shipping routes then to transport them along the overland route controlled by venice. that led to the collapse of the venetian spice monopoly. many trading establishments of the renaissance invested in shipping portugal and spain became leaving trading nations. i m from the call for. european merchants wanted to get their hands on exotic luxurious and beautiful things and sell them for as much profit as possible. these things could be found in the mediterranean and especially in the far east. and so merchants like marco polo set off to search for spices and silk and incense and other luxury products. by how . they traveled the world they were followed by missionaries and sometimes by warriors. and then came the artists thinkers and explorers so they all fueled each other hoping to transcend their own horizons. to. lisp in. school says he three year old christopher columbus was just hours away from his life s dream coming true. he had an audience with the portuguese king john the second columbus was a professional seafarer from genoa with profound knowledge of mathematics and could talk for a fee and a passionate defender of aristotle s belief that asia could be reached in just a few days by sailing west from europe. the ancient scholars had estimated that europe and asia covered roughly half of the earth succumb france but columbus believed that eurasia was much bigger than that. in fact eurasia only makes up around a third. columbus also believed the earth was very much smaller than it really is only half its actual size he thought the western reach of china and india was four thousand five hundred kilometers long a challenging voyage but a manageable one. in actual fact it s a journey of twenty thousand kilometers far beyond the capabilities of his time. it was not only taking a risk but also a miscalculated one. john s advisers suspected columbus was mistaken and refused to give him financial support he only received it eight years later from the spanish king ferdinand the second. after six weeks at sea on the twelfth of october fourteen ninety two columbus made landfall in the bahamas and then went on to cuba and his. he still believed he had found the western route to asia and that his band you all know was the chinese coast. in his records he promised the spanish crown as much gold as it needed and as many slaves as it asked for. columbus have. discovered the new world and plunged it into catastrophe as a group was forced on its. columbus was good at navigating ships through difficult waters but he was a very poor manager. he was unable to keep his own men together and ultimately the spanish crown took away his powers. when you don t feel so america was already populated when he discovered it so it wasn t a real discovery in that sense but his arrival opened the door to unprecedented disasters. millions of indigenous people died at the hands of the germs that the europeans brought with them from. the european explorers were interested in gold and yet more gold a little bit in god but more so in spices. columbus s voyages opened up the newly discovered lands to foreign conquest and brought disaster to their indigenous populations. from one side in the can only. right until his death columbus believed that he had found the secret to the chinese mainland but his discovery none the less changed the world spain and portugal became imperial superpowers. columbus thus was also the first in a line of cruel concrete is. what drove him a last thread venture the promise of power wealth fame. columbus was definitely someone who wanted fame and fortune but he was also a very devout person. he thought he was helping countless individuals by bringing their souls to the christian faith so. there are many indications that he might have believed that at the end of the fifteenth century the world was nearing its end. that this market as was so often the case the rational considerations and desire for profit and fame were mixed with medieval motivations. of. the renaissance had two sides to it and so too did columbus good was. thanks to the discoveries and discoverer is king charles the first of spain establish an empire on which the sun never set. alongside large parts of europe it included colonial territories and north and south america and in asia when the sun went down in mexico it was already day in the philippines. in fifteen thirty the pope crowned him holy roman emperor charles the first became charles the fifth. he saw himself as a universal monarch defender of the faith appointed by god. he issued several decrees in an attempt to counteract the enslavement of the indigenous population and in fifteen forty he even ordered the liberation. but the colonies were far away and in the end charles s need for gold was too great . chances empire was greedy for silver and gold. between fifteen forty one and fifty and sixty sixty seven tons of gold and four hundred eighty tons of silver reached spain and triggered an economic crisis. in the middle ages jews were the only people in europe who were able to issue loans and charge interest jewish businessmen controlled international finance and many saw them as profiteers. brousseau pogroms took place on the iberian peninsula the jewish population was persecuted killed or expelled. the jewish financial system collapsed and the european money markets had to reorient itself. at the heart of the sea change was a small town in bavaria. spock. it became the financial capital of the known world and the headquarters of the forgotten history. between forty ninety five and fifteen twenty five the family business which had been founded by jaco for their europe s most significant merchant mining entrepreneur and banker grew into a pan european financial empire who grew up in stocks you know. it wasn t. you could say that yakob funded the state and the state gave him unique opportunities to use or exploit the land. support. because i m not so i didn t do anything by have sons. he invested a lot of money in the properties and land that are still at the heart of the focus foundations. larget of. the world he took calculated risks to make money and he worked with those in power but he also always invested in safe real estate. because he always diversified his investments and he had a good eye for what was feasible so he was very successful. in guns cause of conflicts with. the girl who was both pious and one of the most powerful men of his day wanted and aristocratic title. with one foot still in the middle ages he was nonetheless a manager with the modern spirit. newsy but if you force people to take douras famous portrait of young. because if you put this man in a gray suit and take the gold cap off his head and you ve got a modern c.e.o. . operation. he was a tough and incredibly efficient manager that s undoubtedly true. but he was also a repentant christian. the best proof of that is that he built an entire estate for the poor and his hometown of alex borg. the food arrives fifteen sixteen. and so we see a rich successful businessman balancing his books with god investing in the well being of his soul and that plays a big role here to. the. figure was active around the world he gave loans to princes and the church and in return negotiated mining rights and trading privileges and estates the income he generated was much higher than the cost of borrowing another product of the renaissance the rise of the global player. but further combine his entrepreneurial spirit with social commitment. in fifteen twenty one he founded the fogel hi fi it s a really science time capsule in the heart of our sport. the food guy is the oldest social housing project in history and it s still in use it sixty seven houses are now home to one hundred fifty catholic residents of. the entry conditions are still the same as they were in the sixteenth century anyone wanting to live in the frugal high has to be from ox book a catholic and of good reputation. and it s still maintained by the fortune managed by the figure foundation a financial instrument set up in the renaissance and still operating today. the annual rent also remains unchanged one vanished gold or eighty eight euro cents. compared with the living standards of most people in the renaissance the houses in the focus i will positively luxury a. home for an entire family with around sixty square meters spacious and well lit at least by renaissance standards. in return for the symbolic rents for placed another condition on the residents of the for good high regular press. every day they were to say one our father one creed and one hell mary full focus and his family. the prayers for him and his family paved his way to paradise also people believed in the middle ages. another investment in the salvation of. and so was the construction of the folk at chapel a dinner stick burial place and a prestigious statement of the family social standing. ya cook for hired important artists first and foremost. we designed the tombstones for his brothers and all of this foca. the focus chapel in st anna was the first church interior in germany to be built in the renaissance style. this is where young and his brothers found their final resting place. this donation says a lot about his commercial foresight and his personal beliefs he apparently believed that even the salvation of the soul and the afterlife had a financial solution. pious christian and financial genius and one of the richest men of his time. to go offshore oil for was incredibly rich the gap was immense if you consider the sum that figure and a consortium stumped up to fund the imperial election of charles the fifth it was more than eight hundred thousand guilders. and ordinary craftsmen would have had to work thirty two thousand years to earn that. girl also made money with the fear of hell. it s terrible torments were omnipresent and for this time the church preached that it had been granted divine powers of remittance to reduce the punishment people would have to suffer for their sins. but this indulgence as it was called didn t come for free. as soon as a coin in the box does ring the song from purgatory spring these were the words of the dominican fry your hundred one of the most notorious sellers of indulgences he even sold indulgences for blasphemy and murder. in the autumn of fifteen eleven the twenty eight year old augustinian friar martin luther was in rome. he too was seeking indulgence he climbed the sacred stairs in front of the last run on his knees to obtain forgiveness for his sins and to free his deceased relatives from purgatory. since the time of emperor constantine the last room had been the official seat of the pope the last one palace is a sixteenth century renaissance building built by pope sixtus the. the renaissance pope s money spinner was the sale of indulgences. when we talk about the renaissance popes we often hear terrible stories and you get the impression that they triggered the reformation with their immoral behavior. but that s a very one sided story they were modernisers they were renaissance men they were princes who held court in line with the european standards of the time. the division that was the. fifteen zero eight pope julius the second commission the thirty three year old michelangelo been. to cover the interior of the sistine chapel in fresco. but michelangelo didn t want the job painting wasn t his strength he primarily saw himself as a sculptor he said. but truly is more a warrior than a man of god got his way michelangelo asked for artistic freedom do what you want to yes replied. with five hundred twenty square metres of frescoes to be painted over the head it was a torturous work of epic proportions. the frescoes in the vaulted ceiling of the sistine chapel and leonardo is mona lisa indisputably the most famous paintings of the renaissance if not the whole of art history. and the interpretation of the creation of adam is the most reproduced work of art in the world portraying a god reaching out from the clouds to form humanity. and a last judgment that depicts the heavenly host as naked as the gods of mount olympus. it was a courageous work of genius made possible only thanks to his papal patron. p. we wouldn t have st peter s we wouldn t have all this wonderful art in rome we wouldn t have many pieces of music if these renaissance popes hadn t existed. renaissance folks are ambivalent like the whole of modernity they have admirably good traits and they also behave like princes like machiavelli unrestrained and confident and sometimes they put their responsibilities to the church on the back burner or even forgot about them altogether. is the second. as. the romans called him. the architect and his side was done out of the mounting he was known as maestro robin until the master of destruction. the two men put their stamp on rome. truly as had buildings torn down squares and notched and roads rebuilt. manti had gained his status as a leading architect with the cloister at some time earlier del apache. in rome his client was cardinal of the aircraft fire and influential prince of the church. romantic came to fame with the tempi had to dig romantic his little temple. inspired by the round temples of ancient rome it s considered a paradigm of high renaissance architecture. truly is the second disregarded the protests of his cardinals and had the venerable basilica of constantine demolished he wanted to build the biggest church in christendom in its place st peter says. julie is the second had a partial for the huge and spectacular. his basilica was also intended to hands his monumental tomb a muslim that would be bigger than anything the world had ever seen. it done out of a man take out the commission and started work in fifteen zero six. forty years were to pass before the sculptor painter poet and scientist michelangelo be in russia he became the architect and site manager of st peter s. he was seventy two when he took over the supervision of europe s largest building sites in fifteen forty seven. the dome of st. he says is the tallest freestanding masonry structure in the world. in an area not having it in the river dome was michelangelo s idea and its construction was the pinnacle of his artistic career. his creative life lasted seventy years he saw himself as a sculptor but he also created a popular works as a painter and architect. he spent years inquiries constantly searching for materials sometimes literally moving mountains. michelangelo at live nine popes and worked until his final breath he died at eighty nine a biblical age and his day. michelangelo died on the eighteenth of february fifteenth sixty four a date many artists dorian see as marking the end of this era. he was the last of the great scholarly artists of the renaissance. but even this renaissance masterpiece was funded by the fear christians had of eternal torment in hell. it was pope leo the tenth who supported the sale of indulgences to fund the new building. martin luther was appalled by the moral decline he believed he encountered in rome . for luther this was a transformative experience and he mentioned it frequently in his later writings and speeches. he from a native against the trade in indulgences which he saw as synonymous with the moral decline and greed of the church and its popes. this marked the birth of what would go down in history as the reformation. luther wasn t a revolution. but a reformer a simple friar who defied the emperor and the pope and split the church just two generations after luther europe would be shaken by a conflict more vicious than any that had gone before the thirty years war. the fighting between catholics and protestants devastated the empire. martin luther publicly condemned the practice of selling indulgences and his ninety five theses. in just a few months more than eighty of luther s treatises and collections were published which were eventually reprinted in more than six hundred editions uther became a media star and the printed word the first mass media in history if you can remember for my through there wouldn t have been a reformation without the mass media of the sixteenth century. martin luther wrote the season about a relatively abstruse theological problem indulgences but these theses spread all over southern germany in just a few weeks from park. it was printing it was fly sheets and pamphlets that spread all over the empire and mobilized people or. people read them and they read them to others and debated the issues with those who couldn t read for. how do people really tick what drives us these are questions that scholars could not discuss publicly through the new mass medium. global communication started in the renaissance now for the first time fastens of people could refer to the same content at the same time and for the first time the future could be depicted and planned in a realistic fashion people understood what moved them and copy themselves the first humanoid machines were created precursors of a future in which robots play football. within just a few generations the known world tripled in size global transport and global trade became a reality for the first time. in the renaissance merchants and seafarers did not any travel the earth they also laid the groundwork for the exploration of the universe. a bit of and it s also the legacy of the renaissance has never died it s still alive today we could say that the industrial revolution and therefore our modern world wouldn t have been possible without all the things that were invented in the renaissance workers. at no other time in its history has humankind experienced a comparable search and development the renaissance even outstrips our own fast changing age. never before was so much developed invented moved changed revolutionized and rejected in such a short span of time. it was a development driven by people who mastered the seemingly impossible because they had understood their own world. the renaissance was a plea against closed minds and the cult of experts it gave room to intellectual curiosity and the courage to set forth the new paths. it s a story of people who did not wish to believe but to know and to accepted no limits to their quest. to a a. live . if you rather have a stone in your shoe. or my firm started. flexible 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