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8th. keeping them honest, all they re really doing is kicking the government funding can down the road for another likely heated showdown next month. mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer struck a deal to reopen the government without resolving any issues that sparked the shutdown, mainly immigration reform, namely for daca, and democrats want to stop any deportation efforts against the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers. mcconnell indicated he d be open to consideration of and votes on legislation regarding daca and border security at a later date. that was enough for most democrats to back today s short-term funding bill. they decided to reopen the government based on that promise. they were also able to get funding for the children s health insurance program, chip, for six years. senator schumer is facing criticism from those in his own
actual winners and losers in all this? well, anderson, there s a reason 16 democrats in the senate, 104 democrats in the house voted against this proposal. some senate democrats saying nothing should have been moved forward without a clear promise house republicans would take up, without a clear promise the president wouldn t be too involved or involved enough to set things aside at one point or another. you re hearing it from the activist, the base and a lot of democrats, that this wasn t a good deal. anderson, you also look at what this deal brings to the table. it brings to the table at least floor consideration for the senate. ask that is something you noted chuck schumer says is in the grand scheme of things. they didn t necessarily make any promises they didn t think they could actually keep.
and they reopen the government with essentially the same bill they put on the table friday night. in the end i think everybody can agree this isn t exactly a dplorious moment in the history of the institution. to democrats right now who are questioning strategy and whether or not this is good idea, do they actually end up better in the long run? those questions obviously not going to get answers to for a couple of weeks. and is there going to be another shutdown or facing another shutdown? yeah, i think the reality here as you look at the sheer scope of the issues still on the plate, and that s why democrats are saying, look, you still have a lot of leverage here. there s a two year budget agreement that raises spending caps on defense that republicans are very interested in getting that democrats have made clear they re not going to sign-on to until there s a daca resolution.
they haven t been able to do anything quickly in this chamber or chambers for a long period of time. it question they can do that now, it is an open one at that. you look at the winners, losers, there s nuances to it. a bipartisan group, 25 senators in the last three or four days really kind of made some tides or bonds to push to a resolution. can they serve as a baseline for the institutions moving in a better direction, a less partisan direction at some point over the next couple of weeks? they re hopeful that might actually be the case. we ve seen groups toorlgt and fall flat on their faces in the past. will this year be any different particularly in an election year, we ll see. but in the last three days where nobody s been particularly proud of themselves, maybe that can serve as a baseline moving forward.
want to go now to the white house. cnn s jim acosta is there. how much of a role did the president play in this deal. reporter: there was a wall for daca deal that was put on the table. the white house later rejected it. the white house chief of staff apparently told aides on capitol hill it was too liberal. and ever since that moment the president basically stayed behind doors. did not speak with chuck schumer. so he was no longer wheeling and dealing the democrats. that was essentially left to the senate leaders up on capitol hill. schumer and the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. now from what we understand, some of this was by design. all weekend long we never saw the president. he was sort of invisible. it was the art of conseal, and that was by design we re told by sources at the white house.
they did not want the president to think when they were watching this shutdown unfold, and that s why the president stayed under wraps. moving forward, do you know if the president will work on a deal going forward to avoid a shutdown in february? he did meet with senator joe mansion of west virginia and doug jones, the new senator from alabama, the new democratic senator from alabama. they met behind closed doors. it was sort of a meet and greet session for jones can and the president. however, it is an indication the president is willing to at least meet with centers from both parties moving forward. but the question, anderson, is whether the white house is simply asking too much from democrats. i talked to various sources in the administration today who said a wall is simply not enough to get a deal to protect the d.r.e.a.m.ers from deportation. there has to be a wall plus other items like ending family immigration or chain migration. and so that is going to be up
for democrats to decide whether they can expect something like this. i talked to one senior administration official who said, quote, a wall does not equal border security, end quote. that is an indication how much the position over here at the white house is hardening on immigration at this point. and the president is essentially listening to his aides. people like stephen miller and the white house chief of staff john kelly cautioning about the president taking deals with the democrats he was according last friday. so the question is at this point can they get to a point where they can both agree to protect these d.r.e.a.m.ers. it is going to be a wait and see process for the next 17 days. angus king voted yes for the short-term bill joins us now. can you explain what hachanged in your view from friday night to today? what changed in my mind was
everything we can in the next three weeks to deliver. does it concern you, because in that very public meeting where cameras were allowed, bipartisan meeting, i guess it was two weeks ago, the president seemed to agree with senator feinstein about doing daca, then doing what he termed comprehensive immigration reform. not clear he understood the meaning or how that phrase is commonly used, but then when republican kevin mccarthy jumped in and said actually, mr. president, i think what you really mean, he seemed to side with the republicans. then he seemed to go back to the democratic position. well, i think if what you are suggesting is the president should try to narrow his position and make it more clear, mitch mcconnell on the floor this past week said i can t vote on anything or bring anything to the floor until i determine what the president is for. that was another big deal today. basically, mitch mcconnell separated himself from the president and said we are not waiting anymore for the white house to settle on a position. on february 8th, if we haven t been able to resolve it through internal discussions, which is certainly what we are trying to
do, as i say, starting two hours ago, if we are not, we are going to bring a bill on the floor. senator king, appreciate your time. thank you very much. up next, much different take on today s deal. we hear from a congressman who voted no and has a lot of concerns. also later, how the porn star who allegedly had an affair with the president when he was a citizen is trying to cash in on all the publicity. new year, new phones for the family. join t-mobile, and when you buy one of the latest samsung phones get a samsung galaxy s8 free. plus, unlimited family plans come with netflix included. so, you can watch all your netflix favorites on your new samsung phones. join the un-carrier and get a samsung galaxy s8 free. all on america s best unlimited network.
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breaking news tonight, it partial government shutdown is ending after democrats and republicans voted to keep the government running until february 8th. president trump still has not signed the bill. that should happen any moment. congressman, thanks so much for being with us. can you just explain why you were a no vote tonight? once again, anderson, the d.r.e.a.m.ers were left behind. this is the third consecutive time i ve voted against a continuing resolution. i think this is dysfunctioning way to run government. it s like paying your rent every week as opposed to theened of the month. this is dysfunctional way to running government. and it s far broader than the d.r.e.a.m. act, it s about not only giving chip, insurance to young churn but funding and teaching hospitals and about disaster relief.
that affect the american people and of course leaving 800,000 d.r.e.a.m.ers out in the cold. your colleague reportedly said that senate democrats were quote, getting their butts kicked. would you agree with that term? well, the pendulum may have swung a different way today, but we ll live to fight another day. and we re just concerned that the promises that were made by the leader in the senate are true promises. this is my first year, but i ve learned quickly that many promises here are not kept. and stow i m concerned that on the 8th we ll face another crisis that will lead to a public assault against d.r.e.a.m.ers. some folks here on the floor of the house of representatives were equating immigrants and d.r.e.a.m.ers to violent criminals. how vile is that, to resort to fanning the flames of racism across america? i m here to fight for the d.r.e.a.m.ers.
that s one of the reasons i got elected to congress, and we ll be waiting until the 8th to see what happens the then. senator king was on the program saying he believes because mitch mcconnell made this pledge publicly and sort of his language was not as divisive rhetoric, that he felt more confident that now mitch mcconnell is on record pushing for some sort of deal, at least dealing with this. well, these debates about whether you will or you shall are really sterile and very poor. they are debates that show no commitment to resolving the critical needs. i met with a group of d.r.e.a.m.ers last time. if you see them, anderson, if you look in their young faces and see what they stand for, their aspirations, energy and their love for this country, you really can t say no to them. that s why 80% of americans are supporting them. but they got caught up in this debate whether the government will be shutdown.
it s unfair to them and to their families. want to talk the politics of all this with our bipartisan panel. robby mook, rick santorum and anna navarro. did this shutdown accomplish anything in your view? i think it brought the dreamer issue to the forefront. i think it highlighted the urgency of the d.r.e.a.m.er issue. it has for the last week, the last ten days, shown us the faces and the stories of d.r.e.a.m.ers. we have seen the stories of people that are getting deported, how they are getting separated from their children, what it s doing to american families and to the american way of life. i think it s highlighted what is an urgent issue that needs to be addressed. it has also shown the horrible dysfunction that is washington, that is our government. they keep kicking the cans down the road without really solving the national crisis. it showed that chuck schumer could take a position and it showed that chuck schumer could hold it for two days. he couldn t hold the position. so you know, i think it s shown us a lot of things but we don t know what the end game is going to be yet. was it a mistake for
democrats to go along with this? look, i m as frustrated as anybody out there. i think it s lunacy what s going on that we can t fund the government, it s lunacy we are leaving the dreamers in limbo and this hasn t been passed when clearly the votes are there. all that said, understanding we are in a lunatic situation, the democrats used their leverage to get a vote on these dreamers. that is progress. if what we really care about here is getting policy passed, we took a step in the right direction. a few days ago, we weren t getting this vote. hopefully now there s going to be a vote, it will pass and there will be the political pressure to force the president to sign. so this is not an ideal situation. i m unhappy like everybody else but i think as democrats we have to step back, recognize the incredibly complex and difficult situation that senator schumer was in, and recognize and frankly, applaud these senators for holding the line and moving the ball down the field. that s how this stuff works. senator santorum, is that
what democrats did? i don t see it that way at all. the reality is that what this showed the american public and it s the reason the democrats backed down, was that democrats are more interested in illegal immigrants than they were about working men and women and the people in our military and keeping the government funded and taking an issue that had nothing to do with continuing funding and tried to inject that into a spending debate. the republicans have done this in the past and republicans got their head handed to them. every time, ted cruz did a couple years ago. before that, we had other things, where we tried to put extraneous things in these spending bills and the public said no, don t do that. if you got a problem with immigration or with obamacare, deal with it, but don t mess up, don t shut down the government, don t get to this brinksmanship. be adults. i think the democrats did not learn that lesson. they thought the media was going to be on their side, the folks
you just heard earlier were going to go out and tell them how heroic they were. what they found out is the american public said no, we actually don t agree with what you are doing here. that s why they backed down. actually, i think it s a little more complicated than that. you know, rick says that democrats were putting illegal immigrants ahead of the working men and women and ahead of the men and women in the armed forces. actually, dreamers are the working men and women in america. actually, there are 900 dreamers who are serving in the armed forces today. that s the type of people for whom we need to find a solution. look, you know, people may not like the shutdown, but the irony of this, the juxtaposition what made it really complicated is that they really approve of the dream act. most people see dream act kids, the dream act youth, as a special category within immigrants, within undocumented immigrants, because we realize that they came here through no fault of their own. it was not their own actions. it was not their own decisions. now they are americans in every way but one, and does this country have the heart, do republicans have what it takes to see families separated and
then lecture us about family values, to see employers left without employees and then lecture us about business, to see schools empty of students and then lecture us about education? so that s the question republicans have to ask themselves. you are missing one very important point. the bottom line is people who are here illegally are here illegally. we break up families all the time. when people commit illegal acts. it happens all the time. families get broken up. people lose their employment when they commit illegal acts. senator santorum hold it. let him finish. you are talking about 700,000 dreamers and you said 900 are in the military. of course, those have an opportunity to gain their citizenship under the current law. so the reality is, there are pathways for people going forward. what republicans are asking for, what donald trump is asking for, is something very, very reasonable and so far, the democrats have been unwilling to move forward. they want four things. four things the democrats have
voted for time and time again. border security, they want the end of the visa lottery, they want chain migration to be limited, and they want to deal with this daca issue. put a bill together that does those four things, not 20 other things, which is what the quote, compromise did, and i bet you would be surprised you haven t moved on this. you have seen people on i m sorry, i will talk over you because i have to take a break. when we continue this conversation, did president trump help or hurt negotiations? did he even play a part in brokering a deal to get the government back open? we ll be right back. 30,000 precision parts. cn or it isn t. it s inspected by mercedes-benz factory-trained technicians. or it isn t. it s backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isn t. for those who never settle, it s either mercedes-benz certified pre-owned, or it isn t.
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there s so much that these senators have in common. we saw them starting to work together today. gosh, let s just push forward and pass the things everybody agrees on and stop all these silly games. i don t care who won this shutdown fight. i m just happy we will have the votes we need to have, we might actually get the policy the country needs and wants. but wasn t it a court that declared that what president obama had done was not constitutional? yeah, but the president, i m sure president trump could have done something to save this. he is totally having this both ways by doing everything he can to kill it on the one hand and then on the other hand saying well, i will do something if congress can. and changing his tune every day. let s remember, too, the senators came to the president with a bipartisan agreement on this and he was the one who blew it up because he couldn t control his mouth and made some racist statements. he is the real problem here. i actually think we should be proud that a bunch of our senators stood up and we got an agreement moving today. that s a big deal. senator santorum, is it clear to you how much president trump
was actually involved in ending this shutdown? because you hear the white house claiming credit, but was this more white house victory or mcconnell victory? i think the president, you know, when you have a winning hand you sit there and hold your hand. there was no reason for the president to go out there and negotiate with himself. the reality is the democrats were going to cave because the public was moving against them for all the reasons that i talked about earlier, and there was no reason for the president to go out and do anything other than stand his ground and say we will deal with this issue separately, we are not going to include this in the spending package, and look, i agree that something needs to be done on this issue. i also want to point out as you did, anderson, the president was following the law unlike president obama who didn t follow the law when it came to these dreamers. the reality is i think the house needs to move. if you would my suggestion is paul ryan and the house get a bill, do the four things president obama has said he wants to do, put those four things in a package and send them over to the house, show the american public the house is willing and republicans are willing to pass a bill that provides some relief for
dreamers as well as meet the other four conditions, get it to the senate and let them deal with it. anna, do you think to senator santorum s point, the democrats would have been blamed for this shutdown if it went on longer? look, i m not sure if it was a mistake or if it was the right thing to do but i do know that but for this, there would be no promise from mitch mcconnell right now for there to be a vote before february 8th on the daca issue. and it is an issue for which the clock keeps counting down. if you are a daca kid right now, you realize you have only got six weeks left. they have had six months to deal with this since donald trump ended the executive order. so there is this sense of urgency. whether it was a mistake or not, i think we will know the answer to that on february 9th, february 10th, whenever we know the answer of whether this in fact leads to legislation, to a law being passed and people whose lives are in limbo, whose future is in limbo right now,
having some certainty and being able to achieve the american dream, or whether we don t. ask me then if it was a mistake. robby, i talked to independent senator angus king earlier who said the fact mitch mcconnell made a public pledge and used sort of not very divisive language, that is what made him decide to vote for this continuing resolution. the senators obviously know him better than i would. i don t trust him that much but i do trust the senators on both sides that are saying that they believe that he will keep his word. i think anna had this exactly right. i think we will know in early february if this was a good deal to make. i think given all the information today, this was the right choice for schumer, the right choice for the democrats, and americans should hold the majority leader s feet to the fire to follow through on this. what s remarkable about this is everybody agrees on this.
we should be able to pass this no problem and holding his word shouldn t be a problem. want to thank everybody on the panel. ahead, the gop in-fighting over immigration. one republican senator points the blame at the white house adviser stephen miller who is an outspoken confidant of the senators. what we know about him, next. with advil s fast relief, you ll ask, what pulled muscle? what headache? nothing works faster to make pain a distant memory. advil liqui-gels and advil liqui-gels minis. what pain?
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rmens have democrats passing a bill on capitol hill to keep the government running until february 8th. question is, can they reach a deal to avert another showdown in 17 days. this was the first shutdown ever when one party is in control of both congress and the white house. as you might have noticed, there s some gop in-fighting. over the weekend, republican senator lindsey graham wasn t shy at blaming at laying some of the blame on the trump white house, singling out white house adviser stephen miller. here s what he said. the reason we yanked these things back is because mr. miller, i have known him for a long time, i know he s passionate, i know he s an early supporter of the president but i will just tell you his view of immigration has never been in the mainstream of the senate and i think we are never going to get there as long as we embrace concepts that cannot possibly get 60 votes. white house press secretary sarah sanders is pushing back on that telling cnn quote, stephen s not here to push his agenda, he s here to push the president s agenda like everybody else in this building. we are doing our best to carry out what the president has laid
out and to implement and communicate his principles and stephen s no different on that front than anyone else. that s how the white house sees it. but no one is going to dispute that miller is not shy about speaking his opinion and he s no stranger to politics. randi kaye tonight looks back. reporter: he s donald trump s youngest policy adviser, the man at the center of the immigration battle who seems like he s always ready for a fight. that is one of the most outrageous, insulting, ignorant and foolish things you have ever said. reporter: the senate aide turned white house adviser stephen miller has found the ultimate national platform for the conservative views he first embraced as early as high school. after the 9/11 attacks when he was just 16, he penned an editorial for the santa monica lookout arguing his high school wasn t patriotic enough. osama bin laden would feel very welcome at santa monica high school, he wrote. in that same article, miller complained about rampant political correctness, spanish language announcements and his classmates who lacked basic english skills.
i will say and i will do things that no one else in their right mind would say or do. reporter: all of this, it seems, just a dress rehearsal for his next stop, duke university. writing for the duke chronicle, miller sounded the alarm about immigration. we oppose common sense security measures. we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens. at duke, miller also made a name for himself in the national media by speaking out in support of the duke lacrosse players in a racially charged rape case. nothing seems to be changing. as a student, i can tell you, we are really, really mad. reporter: the lacrosse players were eventually exonerated. after graduating, miller moved to washington, d.c., lending a press secretary job for then congresswoman michelle bachmann despite having no experience. later in 2013, as an aide to then senator jeff sessions, miller helped sessions derail an immigration deal by distributing a handbook packed with talking points to help kill the bipartisan effort. in washington, miller also
connected with steve bannon, who gave him entry into donald trump s orbit and campaign 2016. miller on the world stage, crafting trump s speech accepting the republican nomination. i humbly and gratefully accept your nomination reporter: miller also co-authored the president s travel ban. after a federal judge struck it down, miller suggested the judge had no right to question the president s authority. our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. reporter: late today, white house spokeswoman sarah sanders was asked if miller has veto power on immigration. the only person i m aware of with veto power in this country is the president. reporter: for his part, the president seems to like what miller represents. especially his combativeness.
no, no. you can be condescending. reporter: i m trying to get to the point reporter: all in a day s work for the kid from santa monica. randi kaye, cnn, new york. powerful white house adviser. now to chris cuomo with a look at what s coming up on the top of the hour. tonight we will do it a little different. we have the big shot of the white house s kellyanne conway. tonight we ask her to do something on tv she s never done before. what is that? that is the tease. that is the tease. i have to figure out what that is now. i only have 17 minutes. get working on that. up next, will they or won t they? a lot of buzz around a classified republican memo and alleged fbi surveillance abuses. house republicans want it released. democrats say the whole thing is a political stunt. i talk with a member of the house intelligence committee next.
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over the weekend as the senate wrestled with the government shutdown the chairman of the house intelligence committee was meeting with key allies in the house discussing the prospect of releasing a classified memo prepared only by republicans about alleged fbi abuses in the nation s surveillance laws. those abuses, republicans say, revolve around the so-called steele dossier and its impact on the overall russia investigation. chairman devin nunes wants some of the research behind the memo to be declassified. i will remind he he stepped aside from his own committee s russia probe last year after coming under investigation after reports he may have made unauthorized disclosures of classified information. earlier i spoke with democrat jim himes of connecticut who serves on the intelligence committee. you have seen this memo. i know there s only so much you can say because it s classified but generally, how would you characterize it?
well, the memorandum, anderson, i will tell you, harkens me back to benghazi where there was an effort to come up with all of these conspiracy theories about how there had been a stand-down order and how people had deliberately acted poorly. that s what this is. this is the latest installment in chairman nunes sort of one-man operation to try to damage, throw mud on the fbi and doj all in service of calling into question bob mueller s investigation and of course, trying to provide some, any substantiation to the crazy charge the obama administration was wiretapping the trump campaign. when you hear colleagues as describing the contents jaw-dropping, saying americans will be surprised how bad it is, what do you say to that? i would say that it is partisanship at its worst, that many people years from now will look back on the damage that they did to the fbi and to the doj based on no evidence and the reason i say no evidence is
because the memo is based on highly, highly classified things, so highly classified that most members of the intelligence committee have not seen them, but that certainly your average member of congress has not seen. so in as much as members of congress are out there making which does or does not suppose the talking points the allegations that compromise this memorandum. they don t know what they re talking about? they have not seen the evidence which under lies the talking points the allegation in this memorandum. they have no basis to know other than nunz personal opinion. that there is any truth to the charges. they have not seen the under lying classified information. some are calling for full
transparent si. what s the harm in releasing a redakted version? i would support that. i m not fan of putting out republican talking points where there isn t an ability for people to look a the under lying crassfied information. but if it s anything lib the four page memorandum. which a quick reading that the thing just kind of reeks of poor work, of bad logic. i imagine they ll clean it up. if you can see the memorandum in the first line there s something said that s obviously untrue. so it s important i m always fan of transparency. it s porpt this get out there. it s important for the fbi whose reputation is damaged. fbi who keep us safe whose lives on the line. they with being youzed as a political tool. to try to damage mueller s investigation. it s important to find a way to
rebut what i think is our fundamentally rebuttable charges. it s interesting you say that. that should tell you something. if you make an accusation against somebody and say you can t see the accusation. that should tell you something. there s a yn in court you put accuser in front of defendants. so you can have it out. the fact a they won t let. fbi see the memorandum. it s flimsy and pathetic. the fbi has to get over classification challenges. they would make quick work of saying this is flat out wrong. their not making it available should tell you something. appreciate your time. thanks. up ahead a public appearance at a not so surprising republican e
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today. a cash payment to her violated finance laws. we report on stormy daniels first public appearance since the storm began. reporter: tonight stormy daniels is capitalizing on her alleged affair with trump. but not revealing details about it. daniels appeared at the strip club in south carolina. over the weekend. the owner won t tell how much he paid her or how much he made. he booked her as soon as he saw public reports on the affair. cnn told daniels could be booked at other adult clubs around the country in the come lg months. she made a quick get away after her performance and wouldn t talk about her alleged sexual encounter with trump. baa she was quoted saying her life since the story broke has
been stressful and amusing. daniels had a long career as a porn star. i want to show you out. reporter: and a potential senate candidate. politics can t be any dirtier than the one i m in. reporter: shortly before the 2016 election she was paid $130,000 by trump lawyer to stay silent about a sexual encounter with trump in 2006. he never denied making the payment. there s new information about reported attempt to cover up the claim of an affair. in 2011. cohen threatened to sue a magazine if it published an interview with her. according to to magazine employees who spoke to the associated pretsz. in touch never published the allegations. until now. before the associated press story broke, cnn asked in touch new editor why it was held for
seven years. why wasn t it published before. i can t speak yo u. i don t have the answer. reporter: one trump biographer isn t surprised his lawyer reportedly threatened to sue the magazine. he has a pattern of going after people legally. whether they criticize him or embarrassing information about him. he uses threat, lawyer letters. actual lawsuits to control the message. reporter: michael cohen didn t get back to us that he threatened to sue in touch magazine. the representative told us they wouldn t comment on that report. but cohen previously denied the affair took place. and vice president pence has just told the associated press that the reports about the alleged affair are baseless. all right. thanks. thanks for watching. time to hand it over to chris chro cuomo for prime time. who won?

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cal or dental procedures. i m still going for my best. and for eliquis. ask your doctor about eliquis. welcome to kasie d.c. i m kasie hunt. we are live from washington every sunday. tonight, spring cleaning in the trump administration. rex tillerson gone. andrew mccabe, gone. is the special counsel far behind him? and what about other key members of the trump administration? senator chris van haul enjoins me live to talk about what all of this means as the foreign policy obstacles mount for the united states. plus, democrats pull off a serious upset in trump country. new polling just out today shows why pennsylvania could be just
the beginning. but we start with a restive weekend in the white house. that is an understatement. andrew mccabe fired hours short of his retirement, and he kept his receipts. reportedly handing over notes on the president to the special counsel. the special counsel subpoenaed the trump organization as the president s lawyer wondered aloud whether isn t it time for the special counsel to be ended? and now the president is fuming on twitter. why does the mueller team have 13 hardened democrats, crooked hillary supporters and zero republicans? worth noting that mueller, james comey and rod rosenstein are all republicans. so, with that out of the way, the president went on to golf at one of his properties, and across the globe the russian elections went off without a hitch. vladimir putin running for another term as president, winning another term as president. if he completes it, he will have held power in one way or another for nearly a quarter century.
we have quite the set of by lines with us tonight. white house bureau chief for the washington post nbc political analyst phil rucker. pete williams. reporter for the new york times, michael schmidt. jonathan swan and staff writer for the atlantic natasha bertrand. thank you all for being here tonight. i hardly know where to begin from the events that have unfolded over this past week. but, pete williams, can you layout for us what exactly is going on behind the scenes at the fbi? there s so much noise, so many accusations flying. but cut through it. what are the most important things that we should be focused on here? well, i think the most important things are the work that chris wray is trying to do to sort of reshape the fbi. now, the whole thing with andrew mccabe, remember, was sort of set in motion before chris wray became director. and what we saw as the
maturation of that in late friday. it all began with in october of 2016 when andrew mccabe did an interview with a reporter for the wall street journal who was asking about, he was trying to check out what he had heard which was that the fbi was slow rolling an investigation of the clinton foundation. so, he called the fbi and said, is this true? mccabe authorized talking to him to say, no, it s not, that the fbi was pushing ahead, but they were getting resistance from the justice department. the meantime, after the election, the inspector general, the justice department decided to do an investigation of how the fbi did the whole hillary clinton case and found out about this, and what we re told now and the trouble we have here is none of us have seen the inspector general report that triggered the mccabe firing. but what we ve been told is when mccabe was asked about this, he didn t tell the truth and that s why they fired him. there have been some republicans out today saying it s possible that there is and even adam schiff who is a democrat saying, we haven t seen the report you ve put out and there could have been cause.
that s the trouble. we just don t know. i will say this, though. a lot of the things that we ve heard out of the white house the past few days about mccabe and about the whole russia investigation have nothing to do with what we are told is the reason that mccabe was fired. the whole question about the russian meddling and everything else, other things that they ve raised have nothing to do with his very singular surgical reason they got rid of him. the statement from mccabe i thought was stunning where he essentially said, look, this has become political. i told the house intelligence committee that i could back up james comey and therefore i ve been fired for political reasons. he has really latched into comey in sort of to make the argument that he s done nothing wrong here, so sort of say i am a victim of trump. and it s sort of an interesting political play. mccabe is much more skilled than your average fbi agent. it s sort of knowing how to be a politician. he s a good speaker in public. and he s sort of taking a
comey-esque way. he kept memos just the way comey did. and he s sort of banking on that as a way of trying to flex from what could be some damaging things here in an inspector general s report. he was pointing out to me before we came on set, the most senior career person at the justice department signed off on this and that s not a political person. right. phil rucker, takes us behind the scenes at the white house over the past couple of days. the president s lawyer, john dowd, comes with a stunning statement taking on the special counsel in a way that is really a marked departure from the strategy they had applied so far. that s right. the strategy all along had been not to antagonize mueller. you notice president trump never mentioned mueller by name in his tweets about the russia matter. that seems to have shifted. it started with john dowd, the president s personal attorney issuing a statement saying the mueller investigation should come to a close. he initially told the daily beast he was speaking for the
president. he quickly backtracked, no, no, i m speaking for myself, not for the president. donald trump has done this before where he ll have surrogates, his spokespeople, his advisors to float bold ideas to test them in the market place. i have no doubt that trump had something to do with that statement. i can t imagine he would put the statement out trump wasn t okay with it. it s what trump believes. i ve talked to a number of senior white house officials over the weekend who said the president for a while now has wanted this investigation to be over. he thinks it s becoming a giant fishing expedition. and then again today and late last night we saw tweets where he invoked mueller s name and really ratcheted up the aggression. jonathan swan, what do you know from your reporting about the president s mood kind of behind the scenes in all of this? people his mood is variable. that s like a vast understatement. people say, you know, he s fuming and often he s just
watching tv, like often it s him in real-time tweeting from tv. last week, he was positively giddy. he had been on the rampage with the north koreans where he told john kelly to shove it with his organizational principles, it was trump s white house. and was careening around the building doing what he wanted. this stuff gets under his skin, particularly when you see reports that talk about the trump organization or anything that starts to encroach upon his personal business dealings. right. that s when steam really starts to go out of his ears. and also whenever he sees people that he does care about, like hope hicks in the news, that s another thing that kind of triggers him. well, and john dowd had been described in reporting that several of you around this table had done, as somebody who was calming the president down by saying, this is all going to be over, first by thanksgiving or christmas, then the new year, obviously now still going. and we have trey gowdy was on
fox news sunday this morning with an interesting comment from about john dowd, mr. trump s lawyer in which he called for an end to the mueller probe. i think the president s attorney frankly does him a disservice when he says that and when he frames the investigation that way. so, to suggest that mueller should shut down and all he is looking at is collusion, if you have an innocent client, mr. dowd, act like it. natasha bertrand, if your client is innocent, act like it? it s a really fair point, and that is something that, you know, the president should take to heart as well with all of his tweets over the past two days, slamming the mueller investigation. it really raises questions about, you know, whether or not he is laying the groundwork to kind of fire the special counsel. i think that with regard to john dowd s statement yesterday, it doesn t seem like it was entirely premed traited. premeditated. these are lawyers that came on to represent him as part of the
special counsel investigation. these are lawyers known for kind of playing fast and loose. we saw john dowd and ty cobb have a loud conversation at a restaurant one day last summer about the investigation. ty cobb of course has been known to go off in e-mails on reporters, myself included. now we have john dowd who kind of issued this statement to the daily beast, at first saying he was speaking on behalf of the president and then saying that he was only speaking for himself. and ty cobb, of course, would not comment on the record to me, i think it is safe to say this is not something he anticipated and something he had actually consulted with the other lawyers about. so, whether or not i think that jonathan was right when he said that perhaps all of this is kind of just trump watching tv. and perhaps john dowd filling his mind a little bit with, you know, negative thoughts about the special counsel. but it doesn t seem like anything entirely kind of planned at this point. john? it s also worth pointing out, john dowd, to give viewers a sense, this is a guy who writes
his e-mails in purple comic sense. he quoted cat on the hot tin roof from tennessee williams. which you pointed out was on turner classic movies last night. reference this part of the scene equals the bureau, this part is comey. this is not your usual sort of lawyering that we re seeing, to say the least. pete, what do you know about these lawyers? you ve obviously they ve been in this orbit, your orbit for many years. it s wishful thinking the mueller investigation was going to be over by thanksgiving or christmas. i m not sure it s going to be over by this thanksgiving or christmas. we certainly hope so. it s going to go until he figures he doesn t have anything more to go for. the idea they would try to calm down the president with that hopeful eventuality was unfortunate. a pipe dream. michael schmidt, you reported this week special counsel bob mueller has subpoenaed the trump organization in what s the first known instance of the special counsel demanding records directly from the president s businesses. president also told you over the
summer that prying into his business, his finances, could be a red line. mueller is looking at your finances and your family s finances unrelated to russia, is that a red line? would that be a breach of what his actual charge is? i would say yes. by the way, i would say it s possible i sell a lot of condo units and somebody from russia buys a condo, who knows. i don t take money from russia. what would you do? i can t answer that question because i don t think it s going to happen. and you and maggie haberman, michael, are reporting trump s lawyers got a list of questions from the mueller team. what s the rationale there? they are still working on this negotiation, right? that s the thing about dowd. for the past few months dowd s most important job on the day-to-day basis has been negotiating with mueller s office about the interview. what are the terms going to be? how long is it going to go for? they don t even want the president to sit down.
they ve been having to deal with the president who really wants to go and explain himself. now dowd has to come back to the table with mueller, who he just said over the weekend should be shutdown, and come to terms on this interview. and i think the white house i mean, i think the president would really like to sit down because he sees that as sort of the end to this and he thinks he s his own best spokesman and he can really explain t. the laurds s lawyers see it as a huge problem. i was lucky enough to sit with him in july. he starts talking and he doesn t stop. by the way, on that red line business, looking at the questions again refreshes my memory. if they look at your finances unrelated to russia. so, i don t know what we make of whether the subpoenas last week are, in fact, crossing the red line. it s sort of a faultily built red line. as we saw under obama, the whole red line thing is a bit a mirage. a bit contrived. so, i don t know, i wish we could go back and drill down a little bit more on the red line. pete williams, there is some new polling out from nbc
news/ wall street journal that shows the fbi s approval rating with the public dropping, 5% since january, when it had seemed before as though they were becoming more popular. and it is still, you know, we should point out, positively viewed way more than most other institutions more than the press, for example. for example, and the congress and the president for that matter. what is your sense of what the danger is to the fbi here? and, you know, as somebody who has covered it for many decades, how extraordinary do people in the fbi feel this moment is? so, on the first question of what s going on with the polling, it s interesting because i had been watching it over the past i went back and looked at our own nbc news polling. it steadily had gone up. i suppose we started polling around the time of the whole church pipe committee thing when the fbi was in serious trouble. it is interesting it is rising. clearly the fbi is worried, that
they need public confidence. they need people to come to them. they want people to have confidence, that they can tell the fbi about trouble. and, by the way, you know, there was this whole screw up about nicolas cage, this florida shooter. i m told by the fbi since that happen, since the fbi mea copa, the numbers to the tip line is up. that s a positive sign. phil rucker, what do you see as the next iteration here? there s been a lot of reporting and speculation about who may be the next to go in the white house. the members of congress, there are renewed calls for potential legislation to protect mueller. how far do you think the president is going to take this and how quickly? i don t know. it s interesting. in congress we see some vocal calls to protect mueller, but there is actually legislation to try to protect him that has not come to the floor. it does not have the support of the republican leadership of either chamber, either the house or the senate. i don t know in that changes this weekend. but i think the president is sort of testing out how far he
can go. he clearly wants this to end. he s bothered by the russia investigation. he feels like it s a cloud over his presidency that is really inhibiting his ability to get some things done and his ability to have credibility with the majority of the american people. so, he d like it to be over. i don t think he s actually getting to the point where he would pull the trigger and order the firing of mueller. that would be a huge, a huge move that as many lawmakers said today would spark a constitutional crisis. and there are many calls from democrats to say get out in front of that kricrisis. pete williams, thank you for your time tonight. we appreciate you coming in. there is so much more to come, as you have gotten a taste here. did a company owned by trump take advantage of facebook profiles? we ll look at that. trump has new fiergz and new hirings power the rumor mill. as we go to break, it was another break neck week of news, the flight of the bumble bee
takes us through it. and some breaking news in the stormy daniels saga. she s offered to give back the hush money, that 130 grand. that is breaking news from theresa may. the british government has identified the likely source of the poison. breaking news today. house republicans ending their russia probe. good morning. we ve got breaking news. rex tillerson is out as the nation s top diplomat. stormy and her lawyer set a deadline of noon today to respond to her offer. the white house has fired the john mcindee it s election night in southwestern pennsylvania. right now the race is too close to call. just another tuesday. we have some breaking news here in washington. we are now declaring connor lamb the winner. students threaten to walk out of their classes. stormy daniels talking about
a possible donald trump deposition. larry kudlow is set to replace gary cohn. a senior advisor to hud secretary ben carson resigned today. in treasury department is finally sanctioning russia today. breaking news now. mr. mueller is now subpoenaing subpoenaing the trump organization itself. the president is about to remove national security advisor h.r. mcmaster. was she threatened in any way? yes. was she threatened physical harm? yes. president trump is expected to call for the death penalty to punish some traffickers. russian hackers are targeting the u.s. power grid. jeff sessions has just fired andrew mccabe. i just got my cashback match,
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sinister. you just don t think it works? i just don t think it works. want to dig into new reports that cambridge analytica, a firm backed by millions of dollars from the mercer family and contracted by the trump campaign harvested some 50 million profiles from facebook during the 2016 campaign. for their part cambridge analytica said they fully complied with facebook s terms of service that no data obtained by a third-party was used for the 2016 trump campaign and all the data in question was deleted. but on friday night ahead of the story s release, facebook announced it was suspending cambridge analytica. natasha, can you help us walk through why that happened and what are the most this is as everything we ve been talking about tonight, an incredibly complex narrative and web. what should we be focused on right now as it relates to the trump campaign? well, the trump campaign has
attempted to kind of distance itself from cambridge analytica. they said they never used any of the raw data that cambridge had compiled for the campaign itself. they said they relied mostly on republican national committee voter files for that. but it is i think it is really important to remember that this was a this was the result of a $15 million investment by the mercers who were huge backers of the trump campaign and trump s presidency and steve bannon, of course, was on the board of cambridge analytica. they provided all this money to the firm in 2014 in an attempt to figure out how to profile voters and target them with ads. now, this is not, you know, this is something that facebook, of course, has had to answer to because back in 2014 when they were trying to get all of the voter data, they did an experiment basically and they had 270,000 facebook users kind of consent to have their data taken by cambridge analytica, but there was a loop hole and cambridge analytica managed to
obtain the voter data user data of 50 million facebook users. now the question is, was any that of data despite what the trump campaign says, was any that of data that was essentially si essentially siphoned off from facebook without users consent used during the trump campaign. that interview that brad parscale gave to 60 minutes how it was pivotal to the trump campaign victory could be discovered if this data was used in the campaign without the users consent. jonathan swan, can we talk about facebook s role in this for a second? they seem 4i7behind the 8 ball. i feel like a broken record on this. understanding their political position now and their role in the system and, you know, quite frankly marco rubio was on meet the press saying these companies have too much power. this seems like a rolling snowball of pain for them. it has been because mark zuckerberg has always historically been of the view
that this is a completely open platform and i can t be responsible for anything that happens on it, effectively, that was his default based position. he s sort of been dragged step by screaming step from there to now where we have this sort of recognition across the organization, it is no surprise they came out with that statement last night. they now at a high level in that organization, very, very concerned about what s happening on capitol hill, about the scrutiny on them, about the role they may have played in the election, about what happened on their platform with russians and other bad actors using their platform. so, it is caused this huge internal reckoning, but they still haven t really gotten ahead of these things. it s always reactive. it s always reactive. mike schmidt, one thing behind the scenes, the suggestion is facebook is cooperating extensively with mueller and his investigation. how interested is bob mueller in these kinds of story lines? i think he s very interested because the problem that mueller has is that whenever he closes up shop, if anything comes out
that he didn t look at, he s going to look like he missed something. so, he s going to turnover every rock to make sure there is nothing there. so, there are so many different tent consolidat tentacles of this. the social media part, the co-lieco collusion part, obstruction part. if you re mueller, you have to look at every little piece because there are so many accusations about so many different parts of it. and you have to be able to safely say at the end of the day, you looked at it all. or you could be embarrassed in the end. michael schmidt, natasha bertrand, thank you both so much for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. thank you. just ahead, senator chris van hollen joins me live on set to talk about how how domestic drama is shaping our standing abroad. first we ll get a report from richard ingles in moscow as vladimir putin wins yet another term in office. no need for a the new york
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election day has come and gone in moscow, and to exactly no one s surprise, vladimir putin has once again been elected president. for more, let s bring in nbc news chief foreign correspondent richard englu richard engel. richard, we knew there was never a doubt about putin winning. is there anything that stood out to you about the results or we should be paying attention to here? reporter: well, i think you should be very much paying attention to what is going on here. it means we have six more years of vladimir putin to start with. he got, according to the results that have been coming in, over 75% of the vote. there have been widespread allegations that there were voter fraud, that there was ballot boxing stuffing, the electoral commission says they
were individual localized incidents. but putin does have support and he s already set the tone for what his agenda is going to be. if you listen to his speeches recently in his public events, he s made it clear he wants to use these next six years, if not longer than that, to confront the west. he sees the west right now, particularly the united states, as weak. he sees the u.s. is in turmoil and that this is an opportunity for russia to spread its influence. and i think that s what we re going to be seeing russia do starting now. if not sooner, if they haven t already started it. to that point, richard, i want to ask about other reporting you ve been reporting. a terrible bloody story. you went to the u.s. base in syria attacked by russian mercenary forces. can you tell us about the tensions between the u.s. and russia on that front? reporter: so, it s one of the strangest and probably most
mysterious incidents of the syrian civil war. syria is in chaos right now and different countries are opportunistically grabbing territory. the turks have grabbed land. the syrian government is taking area. the u.s. still has 2000 troops in syria, mostly special forces. a lot of these are not often discussed, very little access is given to reporters to visit these troops. and russian mercenaries are on the ground. they went to grab resources, and in the process got into a fire fight with u.s. troops. we re traveling inside eastern syria on an exclusive trip with u.s. special forces. general jonathan braga tells us this rural at the rain was isis s hard land and that the
extremists have been driven way back. but now there are fears the u.s. could end up in a direct conflict with new adversaries, russians. we drove to the conoco oil and gas refinery, now a u.s. base. it s the first time reporters have been here since american troops came under attack on this spot last month by 500 fighters, including russian mercenaries. an international incident shrouded in secrecy until now. so, on that night we started receiving artillery rounds right where we re standing up to 30 different artillery rounds. reporter: the general said he immediately picked up a hot line to the russian military. so, you called and said stop this? yes, i did. reporter: what response did you get? those are not our forces. reporter: u.s. forces were unconvinced. braga said they gathered in this building to launch a counter strike, reigning down artillery and air strikes.
2 to 300 of the russian force was killed sthach. is that accurate? that s close to what we know. were you concerned about war with russia? we were concerned. reporter: the russian mercenaries were from the wagner group linked to yevgeny known as putin s chef. they captured intercepts complaining about their heavy losses. they tore us to pieces, put us through hell said one. the yankees made their point. and it seems the mercenaries haven t given up. general braga took us to the edge of the base, pointing out to where similar forces have come back. hope it doesn t happen again, but if it does, we ll be ready. reporter: now, the kremlin continues to insist that none of these soldiers none of these mercenary forces were russian soldiers, not part of any official army, not part of the
russian army. but russia has acknowledged that a small number of russian nationals did die in the attack. kasie? richard engel, thank you so much for for your great reporting. i appreciate your time tonight. joining me on set, democrat senator chris van hollen of maryland. senator, thank you for being with us tonight. appreciate it. thanks, kasie. we have quite a bit to talk about. in slightly broader lens and richard was focused on a remarkable story in syria. i want to talk to you about russian influences on our elections and what is happening here at home. the events of this weekend, the president tweeting at bob mueller by name for the first time, do you think this is a significant turning point? and have you and your colleagues discussed trying to take more dramatic action to protect mueller in the wake of these tweets? i think it s a very dangerous sign. as you said this is the first time the president has gone after mueller by name. it comes on the heels of
reporting that the mueller team has subpoenaed documents from trump enterprises. it sounds like the white house and trump is getting very, very paranoid about what s going on. and as many have said today, if you re not really worried, if you ve got nothing to hide, why are you getting so upset about this, right? if you ve got nothing to fear, you should have nothing to complain about. but yet the president is acting very guilty. do you think that mccabe was fired for political reasons? he s essentially saying this is all political. or do you think there could be a justifiable cause for him to be removed from his post? i think it comes in a very political context. we won t know the facts, but here s what we know. we know the president of the united states for months targeted the number two person in the fbi, someone who served for 21 years. and the president demanded that he be fired. and then we have the attorney general who the president has also threatened to fire, fire mccabe.
and then you have all these tweets by the president of the united states. you don t that is not the normal behavior in a democracy. that is the kind of behavior you see in authoritarian regime. putin just won an election, surprise, surprise. that is the kind of thing you would expect to see from a russian dictator, not a united states president. speaking of putin, you are working with some of your colleagues on measures to try and avoid russian meddling again in the 2018 elections. what do you think that the country should be doing at this stage? and is the president doing remotely enough? so, the president is doing virtually nothing, right. he finally ordered some sanctions on some russian oligarchs, but only after congress overwhelmingly passed legislation saying he had to do it. and when they finally did it, they put sanctions on people who had already been sanctioned by president obama, or already indicted by mueller. he has said that he has not
ordered the head of nsa to take steps to try to prevent meddling. the state department has been allocated tens of millions of dollars to come up with a plan to prevent russian meddling. they haven t spent one penny. so, the president has done nothing. senator rubio and i have introduced legislation to try to prevent, to deter interference in our next election. and every one of the president s own intelligence heads has said, be prepared, because they re going to do it. so, it s very simple. we would say within 30 days of the election, the director of national intelligence reports to congress. have the russians interfered or have they not? if they ve interfered, they cross a trip wire and automatic nonwaivable tough sanctions go into place. not against some oligarchs. the russian banking sector. so, if you re putin and you ve been reelected and you re thinking of interfering in the u.s. elections, you will know if you get caught this time, you will pay a very big penalty. assuming the president of the united states, of course, believes their intelligence
community assessment. the one i want to switch gears with you a little bit. we have not tonight touched on another huge story this week which is the special election in pennsylvania and what that the signals that sends you. what everyone thought was going to be a really tough job this year defending a lot of red seats as the chairman of the dfcc, what was your top take away from the lessons out of pennsylvania 18? conor lamb ran against red seats, against pelosi. he ran against key bread and butter kitchen table issues. he said the paul ryan republican budget is going to cut your medicare, threaten your social security. republicans tried to play up the big tax cut. people of pennsylvania recognized the tax cut went overwhelmingly too big corporations and that they were going to have to pay the price at the end of the day whether it s cuts to medicare, whatever
it may be. so, that did not work on the republican side. so, you had, you had our candidate winning a congressional seat that trump won by 20 points despite the fact that trump came and campaigned against him. trump is actually 0 for 2 in campaigns where he actually showed up. one is pennsylvania and he showed up on the florida/alabama border trying to defeat doug jones. very close, very close. a win is a win. and 0 for 2 for trump. when he shows up, he obviously is not as persuasive as he thinks he is. who are you most concerned about of your incumbents, joe manchin, heidi, claire mccaskill? i know they re fighting really hard. they re great incumbents who have fought for their states. we look at the folks in states that donald trump won. i mean, just like you would look at pennsylvania 18. in a lot of these states that trump won, we ve got candidates, we have incumbents who are
standing up every day for their constituents and they always take the position that if trump wants to do something good for their state, they ll work with him. but if he s going to undermine something important to their state, if it s going to undermine medicare, they ll fight him. we also have pick-up opportunities in nevada, arizona, tennessee. we have a big race going on obviously in texas. and we have candidates in all these other races. so, look, you see a lot of momentum out there, but you also have many more months to go to get to election day. i almost want to ask you, is democrats taking back the senate more or less like umbc winning the entire thing. are you the only person in america selecting them to take the championship? i m not going to make any predictions. you have umbc going all the way. there s your bracket. what did you know the rest of us didn t know? is this a hometown school? i m a loyal marylander. i ve been there many times. they have a great school spirit. and in this case, freeman, the
president of umbc, has done a great job putting them on the national radar on academics. he s obviously getting a lot of attention right now. they have a game tonight against kansas state, so i ve been tweeting already at the senators from kansas, asking if they re ready for the retrievers. they re going to take the wild cats tonight. nobody here, though, change the channel. although we can report, i believe, that unc has now lost to texas a&m. mark warner owes me not a beer, but a case of beer for winning in that bracket, that round. senator chris von haul en, thank you for your time. appreciate it. good to be here. when we come back we ll sort through the help wanted ads at the white house. van hollen
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i was asked about that. i m not going to deal with that kind of petty stuff. do you understand by not answering the question, some people thought you were confirming the story. i think i ve answered the question. you think you answered the question? i ve answered the question. perhaps rex tillerson s original sin, reportedly calling the president a moron, and then never explicitly denying it. joining us at the table, joining us at the table to take us through the revolving door of the u.s. trump administration, jonathan bennett. of course jonathan swan and philip rucker. there was so much news this week i almost forgot rex tillerson was fired. early in the week. i don t know about you. but what is the next sort of shoe to drop here? i mean, it seems like there s a couple first of all, there are a lot of rumors. you ve been reporting on some of this about h.r. mcmaster and
others that the president has said i m close to having the cabinet i want which suggests he still needs to make some changes. i think there is trouble ahead for pompeo and gina haas pel on the state and cia on the hill. even further problems. what do you see as the next step in this story? the president doesn t have the team totally in place that he wants. we were told friday at the white house that there were no personal announcements at this time, but this is a new week. something new could happen. we ll see. we know that he s still mad about a number of bad headlines sort of optics problems that some of his cabinet secretaries have had. do that doesn t mean they re going to get fired necessarily, he s not happy about the way david shulkin handled things at federal affairs. he was told he made a decision to fire h.r. mcmaster, to remove him as the national security advisor. we reported thursday night the white house then sort of said, no, no, no he s not going
anywhere just yet. it might be the president takes time to orchestrate that move. he wants to line things up and avoid humiliating mcmaster. clearly he s decided his days are number. jeff bennett, where is nbc s reporting right now on, you know, where the president stands on mcmaster, also john kelly? there were some reports he was on his way out the door, then some reports that was actually inaccurate. yeah. interestingly the unsermon ious way rex tillerson was fired by tweet, that was really unsettling to the trump officials he likes to refer to as his generals. john kelly, hr mack master and defense. that led to john kelly thinking he was next on his way out the door. that s what he told people in and around the west wing. now it stands kelly is on thicker ice than mcmaster, than ben carson, than david shulkin. kelly, as jonathan has reported, has given indications that he will be at the white house for a bit longer.
but interestingly, in so many of these issues it is not an issue of competence. it is an issue of personality. personality clashes between the president and his top aides. with mcmaster, you have a guy who is aggressive, relentless, he is also a personality clashes with the president and his top aide. with mcmaster he s aggressive, relentless and all transmit, likes to lecture a lot. rubs the president the wrong way. jonathan, you were in a behind the scenes meeting with john kelly. i wasn t. you weren t. you were the one who wrote about it. i was there. you were in the room. you will not be asked about it. i can talk about it. you agreed to snowing. what happened? mon tu zuma s revenge?
kelly had a couple reporters for an off the record, among other things and brought it up and mentioned rex was on the toilet wa stomach bug when he was told he was getting fired. why do that? why say that? i m told he said it in a sympathetic context, his dad died, and it was a strange detail to share with reporters. he also in that same meeting said the president the president himself is probably responsible for a large number of these stories about chaotic stuff, changes, because the president talks to people outside. and it circulates back around. that was another thing he mentioned in that conversation. i promise i won t ask you about any of this off the record things you agreed to. thank you for coming on tonight. appreciate it. back after this.
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to deal with immigration. but first the senior senator from arizona has endured insult after insult this week. at one point labelled songbird john, a reference to his time as a p.o.w. and while discussing votes for cia director gina haspel who mccain opposes, white house special assistant kelly sadler said, quote, it doesn t matter, he s dying anyway. here s the white house s apology for those comments. does the white house not think you need to condemn these remarks or comments again, i m not going to validate a leak one way or the other out of an internal staff meeting. are you saying she didn t say this? again, i m not going to validate a leak out of an internal staff meeting one way or the other. no, no, sorry, here s the white house apology. i think the remarks are awful, but let s look at this in context. that was said in a private meeting inside the white house. that s not like you might say something really nasty about me off the air, it doesn t have
that much impact. you come on air and say it officially that s a problem. this is a private meeting inside the white house, it was a joke, a badly considered joke, an awful joke she said fell flat. you have to have some freedom to speak in a private meeting candidly. we ve all said things in a small group we would never say publicly. that s not either. something is clearly wrong with our control room. hopefully this is actually the right thing, the white house apology. those comments, whether they were made or not made, some reports in there obviously, too, about the internal workings of that meeting that just shouldn t be made public. sadler reportedly did apologize to meghan mccain over the phone, but still hasn t followed through on a promise to do it in public. and jonathan swan at axios reports that huddled behind closed doors with the communications staff, sarah huckabee sanders said sadler s comments were wrong. quote, a visibly upset and furious press secretary sarah sanders told the group, quote, i
am sure this conversation is going to leak, too. and that s just disgusting, according to a source in the room. cue, lindsey graham. are you satisfied with how the white house has responded? no, not really. it s pretty disgusting thing to say. if it was a joke, it was a terrible joke. i just wish somebody from the white house would tell the country that was inappropriate, that s not who we are, and the trump administration and john mccain can be criticized for any political decision he s ever made or any vote he s ever cast, but he s an american hero. and i think most americans would like to see the trump administration do better in situations like this. it doesn t hurt you at all to do the right thing and to be big. that s what they could have said publicly on thursday. word for word, and simply ended this whole thing. joining me on set chief correspondent for the washington post dan balls, washington bureau chief for vice news,
shawna thomas. political analyst eli stokols. former advisor to jeb bush and former spokesman for boehner michael steele. and joining the conversation from nashville, msnbc contributor and author of the new book the soul of america, the battle for our better angels, historian john meacham. john meacham, i want to start with you. the overarching question i have every time this president says anything, it seems, about john mccain, is i wonder does he have any sense of history. no. i could go on if you like. [ laughter ] please, continue. no. no, i mean, it s the anti-joe biden answer. no, he doesn t. and remember, what s happened here is the presidency has become a tabloid media culture where you throw a punch. if somebody might seem to be about to throw a punch at you, you punch again and again and
again. it s the war of against all. that s the way trump views the world. it s the way the white house unquestionably views the world because every white house takes on the characteristics and character of the person at the top. it s inevitable. every, every court since the dawn of time has reflected the character of the person in charge. and unquestionably, this view of senator mccain i think one of the reasons we ve had a couple of shots at mccain is because mccain is in many ways the anti-trump. he is someone who has served virtually his entire life. he s a flawed guy. he d be the first one to tell you that. he has a great sense of tragedy, great sense of history, and understands that he s going to get some things right and some things wrong which, therefore, makes him the un-trump. and so i think that president trump looks at that, i think his people look at that and it makes them uncomfortable. i think the bush family is a lot
like that for them. they see other people doing what they, in their heart of hearts know they ought to be doing, and i think out of that resentment comes this kind of really, not inexcusable because if the person apologized we could move on. but the incapacity to admit you made a mistake is a troubling thing. dan balls, one of the things that was mentioned also in jonathan swan s reporting out tonight is this idea that we learn more about what goes on behind the scenes in the trump white house through these leaks than we would in weeks, months, years of another administration. having covered many of these are you surprised by the degree of information that comes out of the white house and allows us to learn about things like what was said? not so much any more. i think at the beginning we were all surprised by how leaky this administration was, certainly this white house was. and part of the reason in the early stages as you well know was that you had real infighting, real faxctional
problems and they were trying to settle it in a public way by leaking. supposedly that was going to begin to end when john kelly came in. it didn t. it is part of the culture of this white house. people, people want to be able to separate themselves from some of the things that are going on and, therefore, they take it out in public, not by standing behind their own words, but by leaking to reporters. and it is a constant stream which continues to put the white house in a terrible light and situation. and shawna thomas, now that this of course is out there, the white house seems to have a responsibility to be held accountable for this. but they don t seem to agree. no, they don t seem to agree. and i think one of the things that we were talking about, we say a lot of uncomfortable colorful jokes in the newsroom. all of us have been part of newsrooms where you say things you wouldn t want to say in public. when they come out publicly we have to answer for it. the company has to answer for it. that s the thing that happened here.
something got said, it was off color, and this white house knows it s out there. they have not actually said it didn t happen. they apparently aren t going with that defense. therefore they have to say something. instead of us talking about the fact that president trump helped get three people out of a north korean prison this week, we are starting the show off talking about the fact they denigrated someone who is a war hero. so, they re getting in front of their own message, too. right. michael steele, i have to say i ve had well, close to a dozen conversations with republicans since this happened, and republicans on the hill who, yes, john mccain has i could use some very colorful language to describe the feelings people have had at various times about john mccain, what he said, what he did, voted for. he s kind of a guy who one minute can be joking and really fun, and the next minute can be essentially biting your head off in the hallway because you asked him what he deems to be a stupid question. but right now the entire, the
entire hill is, you know, thinking about this man in the terms of the small place where they work and really lion izing the contributions he s made. republicans are so angry at the white house for this. john has lived a life of service. they are upset about the leaks. he is an american hero, he is a states man, and he is somebody who deserves respect. at this point, this is the wrong cross to die on. this is a ridiculous position for the white house to stick with. they need to apologize. i could hear my fellow episcopalian. you want to jump in there? there is an old rule, you have to pick which hill to die on. is this really the hill the trump white house wants to take bullets on? you just made a really interesting point, which is they re not calling this fake news, which is interesting. you know, and so i think part of it is they feel if they
apologize, maybe it opens the door to having to actually be accountable for what they do going forward. and that s a hell of a prospect. is this possibly a situation, john, where, i mean, when trump s campaign first started everybody thought that his criticism of john mccake as a p.o.w. would be the hill trump died on. the lesson they learned, he s not going to die on this hill. that is absolutely right. how you began almost always dictates how you finish. one of the first you re exactly right. one of the first moments where we realized kryptonite the ordinary political kryptonite didn t work on donald trump was the first mccain comment. and so in their experience, they can get away with taking shots at establishment figures because that s what the base loves. eli stokols, your view? i think that s right. they look at everything, no matter how sacrosanct, whether it s a war hero in the twilight of his life, a gold star family we can revisit that
whole saga as well because it s very similar. they don t ever apologize. as john said a few minutes ago, the culture, the organization that starts from the top. donald trump before he was ever in politics decided i m not that kind of person. i m not going to apologize. nobody at the white house will either. and it s true, they have we re in this place now of almost absolute tribalism in our politics. and i think that they believe that no matter what they ve said or done, they re just going to turn around, weapon eyes it, they re going to look at this and say the elites are trying to scold us, they re getting on their moral high horse. it is quite a parallel to draw to that situation last summer when you had the gold star family, the president made the condolence call. they said he was upset. john kelly tried to come out and explain it, ended up exacerbating the entire thing by attacking the congresswoman, lying about her background. they just have a hard time getting out of their own way because the president himself can never admit that he or anybody on his staff is wrong. uh-huh. in that axios sneak peek tonight we were talking about earlier, jonathan swan asked some of what he calls the white house s most
prolific leakers and he asked them what motivates them to do it. one of senior officials told him that they usually come after someone loses an internal decision and they want to jen up some public blow back. you have to realize that working here is like being in a never ending mexican standoff. everyone has leaks, pointed at each ooh it s only a matter of time before someone shoots. there is rarely a peaceful conclusion so you might as well shoot first. to cover my tracks, i usually pay attention to other staffers i had i don staffer s i hdioms and that thrs it off me. shawna? you don t want to get blamed for something. for sure. but you remember, you covered the obama administration as well. we talk about how this white house gets angry about leaks. in the obama administration, leaking was a cardinal sin.
but it also didn t happen as much. and they would argue, i think, that it s because people believed in the boss and they would probably explain the leaking in the trump white house as in some ways a lack of loyalty. do you think that s what s going on? i think also the obama white house, or people who had worked for president obama, would say that they had each other s backs as well. they didn t feel like they were in a, to use the term that jonathan swan used, mexican standoff. that they were all in it together and they also, i think, had a pretty good idea of what the boss wanted to achieve with specific goals. and there wasn t as much confusion about what he would want and, therefore, there wasn t as much to leak about, about like internal disputes. i think there is a lot of confusion even when the president talks and tweets, we who are publicly who are publicly getting his information, we don t necessarily know what he wants. and if they don t know what he wants, they don t know who is backing them up. they don t know if they re backed up by people they work with. it creates a situation where
everyone is scared and kind of willing to talk. i don t sense that with the obama administration. i think there is possibly a sense you can use leaked information to influence the president because it gets on television. right. you get a president who reads news coverage but not internal memos or documents or goes to meetings and all this. if you re trying to achieve a policy result, the media is often the best mechanism. people were leaking to espn or something like that, i don t know. i think so much of this leaking has very little to do with that. it s not like these are policy debates and people are arguing those positions. this gets personal. it gets nasty. ugly. it s petty. and i think the other factor that s true about this administration compared to many others is that most of the people in the white house do not have a long history with donald trump. most white houses certainly in the first two years are populated by people who had gone through a campaign, who had developed a bond among themselves, who had developed a loyalty to the canndidate and then the president. that is absent in this
administration and in this white house and i think that contributes to it. and we ve seen 40% or higher turnover already in this administration which is unprecedented. and the dysfunction, the backbiting i think is a big reason for it. still to come, a historic moment for the president and korea. that was overshadowed by everything we were just talking about. plus i m going to talk with congressman joaquin castro who sits on the less than functional house intelligence committee. and as we go to break, a quick note from the sports pages vladimir putin scored five goals in his annual exhibition hockey game. that s down from seven goals last year. could the 65-year-old forward be losing a step? kasie d.c. back after this. mom? dad? hi! i had a very minor fender bender tonight in an unreasonably narrow fast food drive thru lane. but what a powerful life lesson. and don t worry i have everything handled. i already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. which is so smart on your guy s part.
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i guess, shawna thomas, that s what rudy giuliani is, maybe. i mean, yes, and people call him, they book him, he goes on television, he defends the president. i m not sure president trump needs a tv lawyer. i think president trump needs a really good lawyer to just instruct him how to go through what he is currently going through. and i think as we saw over the last couple of weeks, it seems that rudy giuliani makes the problems worse. right. and i don t think you want be that from your lawyer. i don t know how much rudy giuliani is getting paid, but i m not sure he s worth the money. in terms of making interesting television, he does do that. it does seem, michael steele, to be a bit of a disconnect talksing about this tv watching president. bob mueller isn t going to end up potentially finding something that would condemn this president on tv. no, i mean, he doesn t need better surrogates, he needs a better set of facts. there is no indication here bob mueller is fiendishly tuned into
fox news or other any other cable news channel to see any argument that vindicates the president from a television lawyer. everything we re seeing publicly ought to scare the hell out of people in the white house and around the president. 20 times he s talked about the michael cohen raid. you covered clinton when he was under siege. what s it like behind the scenes in the white house when you have a president that is totally preoccupied with something like this? it s interesting. on the one hand it s debilitating, on the other hand if a white house has a good operation, i m not saying this one necessarily does, there is an ability to compartmentalize. there is an ability to do work, they re preparing for a summit with the north korean president in singapore. they re able to do that. if you have a president as obsessed as he is with the mueller investigation and the raid and all of that, it makes it entirely difficult for anybody else to really do serious work. and it sets it casts a pall
over everything else going on. this president, even more than president clinton, is obsessed with this particular investigation and it consumes him bill clinton wasn t? i think clinton was, but because this president is as volatile as he is and because this president happens to have something called twitter, bill clinton never right. never had, we are able to see the emotion that s therein side him day after day after day. instead of it being hidden, okay. it was of course a major week for the trump administration in terms of foreign policy. on tuesday the president announced he s pulling the u.s. out of the iran nuclear deal. in the early hours of thursday morning, he welcomed home three americans who had been detained in north korea. and that same morning we learned the date and the location of the summit between the president and kim jong-un. and this weak a friend of the show philip rucker wrote a piece in the washington post posing this question. can the president s efforts on foreign policy erase the
political damage of those scandals facing him here at home? at least one past president hoped that they would for him. phil pointed to a news conference that richard nixon held just a week after the saturday night massacre. listen to what he had to say at the beginning. we now come up close to the critical time in terms of the future of the mid east. and here, the outlook is far more hopeful than what we have been through this past week. i think i could safely say that the chances for not just a cease fire which we presently have and which, of course, we have had in the mid east for sometime, but the outlook for a permanent peace is the best that it has been in 20 years. john meacham, those comments coming as quite literally the political world around richard nixon was crumbling. absolutely. ten months later he would be back in san clement ee having
resigned. one of the things about the maelstrom of the presidency and one of the things we know from the nixon tapes is every investigation that poses a potentially existential threat to a president s future is consuming. it just is. but the best ones, even under siege, do manage to remember that they have a job to do, and that if they get that job right, somehow or another, maybe the other stuff goes away or works out. i think the issue now, and trump is very much in this genre right now, the issue now is whether or not he can focus on substantive achievements that in the event director mueller comes back with things that don t reach all the way to trump, he can say, i did the people s business, i made america great again, whatever it is, while all this was going on. my problem, my suspicion is that he will be less able to do that, in part because, as
mrs. obama said in the 2016 campaign, the presidency doesn t change who you are, it reveals who you are. and president trump is a puncher, and he just punches. that s the way he breathes. yeah, very interesting points. when we come back, congressman carlos curbelo joins me live. he and other house republicans are bucking party leadership to get something done on immigration policy. kasie d.c. back after this.
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this week a group of house republicans announced a new push to force a vote on immigration policy. their pathway to making that happen a maneuver known in congress as a discharge petition, it is a procedural move if successful would allow for a vote without the support of house leadership. this does not appear to be sitting well with house speaker paul ryan. going down a path and having some kind of a spec consolidate on the floor that results in a veto doesn t solve a problem. we actually would like to solve this problem that is why i think it is important for us to come up with a solution that the president can support. joining me now, one of the signatories of that discharge petition and a key force behind it, republican congressman carlos curbelo of florida. congressman, thanks so much for being here tonight. i really appreciate it. kasie, good evening from miami. it s good to be with you. let s start with what the house speaker had to say. he spoke at some length earlier this week during his regular
news conference, essentially saying he does not agree with the tact that you are taking with your colleagues. have you spoken to speaker paul ryan and what do you have to say in response to him? the speaker is a friend. we spoke numerous times right up until the point where we filed the discharge petition. and what i would tell him is that no one here is interested in a spectacle. we are interested in having a debate. we are actually interested in answering the president s call to action in september of last year when he challenged congress to come up with a bipartisan solution to this immigration question in our country. every time the immigration issue comes up, congress if not congress, the house responds with paralysis and we re tired of that. we want to have a debate. we want members to bring their bills to the floor. and, by the way, this discharge petition process is probably the most constructive ever because we re not bringing forward one bill.
we re offering the opportunity for four bills to come to the floor including one that is backed by immigration hard liners, and another that would be drafted and filed by the speaker of the house. so, we re actually offering all members the opportunity to participate in this debate and to convince their colleagues. and, yes, our goal is also to get a law passed, so we would like to pass something that this president can sign. congressman, how angry are you with house leadership for they have essentially chosen the views and path of the right wing of the house republican conference on this issue, over those of you wlho are facing vey tough districts who care about this issue and have different feelings? well, the most frustrating parliame part is the speaker says he wants a bill the president will sign. but in order for the president to sign a bill, it needs to get to his desk and that means it needs to pass the house and it needs to pass the senate with 60 votes.
the bill that they have invested, i would say wasted months whipping is a bill that probably cannot pass the house because if it could it would have come to the floor already. and certainly cannot pass the senate. so, what i would argue and i have argued to the speaker is let s get a bipartisan bill done. i think he s coming around on that. and the process that we have proposed offers him the opportunity to file such a bill that can get the president s support. and by the way, let s be clear here. the white house has put in paper a proposal that includes a path to citizenship for nearly 2 million young immigrants brought to this country as children known commonly as dreamers. so, the president who is without question considered the most hard line public figure on immigration in this country, is that that position, the process that he s some of these house conservatives have proposed of a
bill is completely divorced to what the white house has put forward. i m glad you brought up the white house because i also want to ask you. you say that the president is perceived to be one of the most the hardest line. but there are some people who work for him who are influencing his thinking who we ve seen potentially take a harder line than the president. one of them is john kelly. he made these comments earlier. let s take a look and talk about it. let me step back and tell you that the vast majority of the people that move illegally into the united states are not bad people. they re not criminals, they re not ms13. but they re also not people that would easily assimilate into the united states. they are overwhelmingly rural people and the countries they come from, 4th, 5th, 6th grade education is the norm. they re coming here for a reason and i sympathize with the reason, but the laws are the laws. congressman, in your view, should john kelly clarify or perhaps apologize for making those comments about immigrants? i think he should clarify. general kelly lived here in
miami for five years. he knows what an immigrant community looks like. he knows that a lot of these immigrants who are in our country may not be may not have college degrees, for example, but they do care for american children. they do care for older americans who might be sick. they are fundamental to the lives of a lot of american families all over this country, not just in miami. now, general kelly is right in saying that we should not promote illegal immigration, and he s also right in saying that most of these people are good people who want to work in our country. and, by the way, something else that general kelly said is that we should provide a path to citizenship for those under the protections of the tps program, which i agree with him as well. so, the point is there s a lot of room to work together here. there is definitely an achievable compromise. and what we want is for speaker ryan to allow the house to work its will to build that compromise and to get it to the
president s desk. we have been debating the immigration issue in this country, kasie, for 12 years since president bush first proposed immigration reform in 2005-2006. let s get something done. we have nothing to show for this debate after 12 years. congressman carlos curbelo, thanks very much for your time. looking forward to seeing you on the hill this week i m sure. this will be very much in the focus in the coming days. thank you. that s right, kasie, good night. meanwhile immigration policy aimed at preserving american jobs is instead jeopardizing them on maryland s eastern shore. and with them, a beloved, by me and many others who have family who grew up in maryland, a beloved summer tradition. in annapolis, maryland crab season is in full swing as locals and tourists come to take a crack at blue crabs. 80 miles away in hoopers island? i take 12,000 pound a day. the heart of the crab
industry is feeling crushed. this is the picking room. as you can see it s empty. the island has been using h 2 b visas to hire crab pickers for decades, mostly from mexico. a trump many posed cap on the visas and lottery system means hoopers island is missing an estimated 40% of their seasonal workers. i got lucky obviously, but it s not right for this company to have them and the rest of the other companies not to get them. half a mile down the road, harry phillips can t hire enough people. this is the busiest time of the season. every restaurant wants crab meat on mother s day. it s going to affect us to the point we may have to totally close. in 2016 president trump won this district by 14 points. in part because of his promise to help american workers and crackdown on immigration. but now in this community, built around crabbing, nearly everyone is grappling with the consequence. our businesses very much suffered because of the loss of the people here, the trucks aren t running, the boats aren t
working. our hours are less. i voted for trump because he was a businessman. i voted for him because that s what i am. i m a small business operator. i just don t think donald trump knows what s going on down here right now. because he s for business, then you re putting businesses out of work here. as people make for the beach, prices forz crab meat are expected to spike. crab meat will be very expensive. yep, it sure will because there s not going to be enough around. and the community is asking to save american businesses and an american tradition by protecting migrant workers. there s no americans that apply for it. no american is going to do that job. i do not have any americans that wants to do this job. they re not like the illegal people trying to sneak in. they re not illegals. they don t climb over walls. they come here, they work like six, seven months, they go back home to mexico, 99% of them. still asked if they would vote for trump again, it was a unanimous yes. yes, i probably vote for mr. trump right now. i think this needs to be brought to mr. trump s attention.
a lot of companies depend on these people come here that have seasonal jobs. and without them we ll all be out of business. it s worth mentioning the difficulty with the visas dates back to the obama administration. and one more thing. according to the baltimore sun, congressman andy harris says federal immigration officials have agreed to approve thousands more guest worker visas. but maryland is only going to have access to a portion of those and the people who run the plants are saying that it is probably not enough. some great reporting there by our intrepid producer kendall bright man. when we come back i talk to senator joe manchin about being in the fight of his life in a state that overwhelmingly went for president trump. plus, dan balls spent months in the midwest. we re going to unpack his epic report on the voters there and how their opinions are evolving over time. that s up next. es right. es right. but if that s not enough, we have more than 8000 allys looking out for one thing: you. call in the next ten minutes. and if that s not enough, we ll look after your every dollar.
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little bit of a sigh of relief for the gop in one race. ex-coal executive and ex-convict don blankenship was dee veeted in west virginia by attorney general patrick mori si. i caught up with senator joe manchin to ask him whether he was concerned about the contentious upcoming race for his seat. you either run scared or unopposed. every opponent i have is a worthy opponent. they wouldn t have gotten to that level if he this weren t. they all have smomething to brig to the table. i look at it from a learning curve, if there is something i missed. i never run against anybody, i just run for the office. if people want to run against me because i haven t done a good enough job, let s talk about it. tell me what i ve done, give me a thought process to the conclusion i vote the way i did. i don t vote because of a democrat party or republican party. i vote for what i think is good for our country and what helps the state of west virginia. i think 36 years of service proves that. are you confident you can win? absolutely.
and here s let me say this, too, about don blankenship. and i have said this. there is only we only have one person on the republican side that was running that was a true conservative west virginia republican. i ve known don blankenship for a long time. we ve had our problems and our challenges with each other. i acknowledge that. but as far you cannot deny the man was not a pure true conservative republican and a west virginian. did you think the ads that he ran at the end of the campaign were more racist? i don t know you know, i would not i like to think it wasn t. the terms he used how he used them, i would never take that course. and if don felt that that was not he was explaining it from his, his upbringing or basically the culture where he comes from, that s not how we talk where i come from in west virginia. and don is on that kentucky/west virginia border. i can t say. i have not heard that before in
those italian americans, chinese americans, japanese americans, you know, we re all ethnic of some derivative. but the way it was said, it was taken in the connotation it might not have been flattering to a person who is a proud american no matter what their descent may be. is there any circumstance you would take a position in the trump cabinet instead of seeing your election bid through? you know, i looked i want to serve the state of west virginia, the people of america. i really don t so you re all in on your reelection no matter what oh, i am. i m here to fight. i know i m in a fight. i know how it is. i know my state has changed but the state knows me. they don t look at joe manchin as a democrat, they look at joe manchin as an american. i hope it stays that way. he talked to chuck todd and what he said about mitch mcconnell. i don t condone any of that, i think it s horrific. it would of course be an
understatement to say mansichins in the heart of trump country. dan balls, loyalty and unease among trump s base in the midwest. dan spent the past 15 months tracing the arc of how trump voters in formerly democratic strong holds view this presidency. dan, what a project to be able to have the chance to spend so much time doing this. what was your overall take away about where these voters in the midwest who gave this election to donald trump feel now about his presidency? i put them into three categories. the first category is still all-in. that s a significant percentage of the people who voted for him. they think he speaks to them, of them, for them. they like the policies he s trying to put in place and the degree to which they think he s not been successful they blame others. it s somebody else s fault. right. they think he s doing what he was promising to do and they believe that in the end he ll be as successful as the swamp will
allow. there is a second category which i would say is not that big, but these are people who voted for him and they ve had it. they they ve watched him in action. they don t like what they have seen. more in terms of the way he conducts himself, and they say, i won t vote for him again. and then there is that group in the middle. i think these are the people who really hold the key to his future. these are what i call the conflicted trump supporters. they backed him, they may not have been for him initially in their republican primaries. many of them weren t, but they decided he was better than the alternative, hillary clinton. they thought that he would shake things up. they wanted change. but as they have watched him, they re unnerved by the way he handles himself. nobody likes the tweets. or almost nobody likes the tweets, we know that. it goes beyond that. it s a sense of a presidency that is so volatile that he doesn t have control of his own emotions.
and as one of them said to me, we kind of know how this kind of thing ends and it doesn t necessarily end well. what do you think that this means for republicans who are facing voters here in a handful of months? it s hard to say. it s the hardest question for me to answer, is to extrapolate from what people think about donald trump at this point. i would say two things. one is we know from president obama that it s very difficult to transfer your coalition to a group of republican candidates in a midterm election. sure. so that s one thing. i think the other is the degree to which you have people who are conflicted about donald trump, how enthusiastic are they going to be to turn out in the fall. some of them will be. you know, they re loyal republicans and they re going to go out and vote republican, but others may not be. that s the hard part for me to measure. shawna thomas, what is your key question in this context is this i think you said the smallest
of your three buckets is the people who said i m done with donald trump. how republicans use that in 2018, how far can they go for the president or against the president? it seems like he still has a lot of people who are in his corner who think he will make their lives better. did you get any sense from people if a republican tries to run a little bit against president trump and chart their own path, will that be successful? i think that s a perilous course for most of the republicans. and you see very few republican candidates doing that. willing to do that. one of the people i talked to who s been active in the party over the years said he sees two groups of republicans now, those who are running for office, they re behind donald trump and they re promoting donald trump and they re trying they may not be exactly like donald trump, but they re not trying to put any distance. then he said there are others who are uncomfortable with trump. and he said they re kind of they re pulling away from the party a little bit. they re less active in the party. so, that s the difference. i mean, this sort of i will call
it this middle group. some are conflicted but still with him because of the policies, and some are conflicted and they re much less with him because of the conduct. they haven t broken with him yet. most of them don t say, i m not going to vote for him. i don t know where they re going to be in 2020. as i said, it s very difficult to know exactly how they ll turnout in 2018. dan balls, thank you so much. thank you. appreciate it. very much enjoyed, commend the report to all of you as well in the washington post. shawna thomas, eli stoke always, michael steele, great to have you. kasie d.c. is back right after this.
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what we need in the united states is not division, what we need in the united states is not hatred, what we need in the united states is not lawless but is love and wisdom and compassion toward one another. and a feeling of justice to those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black. that was newly declared presidential candidate robert kennedy speaking on the back of a flatbed truck in indianapolis on the night that dr. martin luther king jr. was killed in 1968. it s just one of the countless historical snapshots included in john meacham s new book, the soul of america: the battle for our better angels.
and john, there s no question that this president is blowing through norm after norm after norm. these structures that have defined and kind of held our government together. my question for you is, how resilient is our country? how did you you walk through that in some ways in this new book. we re incredibly resilient. and we re going to get through this. my message, my argument from history is not a partisan point is not that we should relax because we ve gotten through tough times in the past. it s that we have to get to work and learn from what happened before and how we got through it. in many ways, the presidency has been a force for good. and sometimes it s been a force for ill. and if the presidency is often the table or on the wrong side of history, then it s up to the people, it s up to the press, it s up to the congress, it s up to the courts, to answer what lincoln called our better
angels. we always become stronger the wider we have opened our arms. and that is not a partisan point. whenever we ve looked at the jeff jeffers jeffersonian insertion, the more stronger our country has become. there s a white ethnic politician, a boston irish catholic speaking to an african-american crowd in indianapolis telling them that he was breaking the news to them that martin luther king had been assassinated. that was from his heart. and i would hope that we all have the same capacity in our hearts and despite the tweets and despite the chaos that we stick to those angels, we make the case, we protest, we resist and we move forward. you like to say that character is destiny. what do you think of the character of president trump? how does that stack up to the character of those who have led
before him? well, everyone is flawed. we live in a fallen world. it is not perfectible. we seek a more perfect union. it is unquestionable this is the most unconventional. and, in many ways, perhaps the most volatile president we have ever had. these are perilous times. again, not arguing that we have cultural zoloft from history. but we can look back and see that the country was not always what we wanted it to be and we have to keep working. the book is the soul of america. i m sorry i don t have it in studio, it s already home on my bookshelf to get started next weekend. thank you so much, jon, for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. in our next hour, the trump administration prepares to open the new american embassy in jerusalem as tensions flare. we ll talk to israel s ambassador to the u.n. and the kasie dvr.
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credit for $500,000. he basically doubles the amount he can borrow against his apartment. he later uses that money, he says, to pay stormy daniels in october 2016. and rudy giuliani has told us there are several other issues that he settled for trump and that he was reimbursed for. it is possible, though we don t know how he spent the remaining amount in his increased credit line that he may have used that for some of these other issues and that s one of the things that s under investigation. that s such a key line saying mr. cohen resolved other problems similarly for mr. trump. how significant is that? we have rudy giuliani giving a variety of figures about how much money was used here, when it was used. walk us three vis-a-vis the size of those payments. rudy giuliani said he was getting north of $400,000 for a year of retainer payments and
that was to reimburse him for things he took care of. it leaves open the possibility of up to another couple hundred thousand dollars that he might have been reimbursed and some of that could have been for fees and his own expenses. but i don t think rudy would have said that if there were no other issues that he settled for the president. and, you know, i think that s something that will come out during the investigation. i could also like to address the timeline issue you were just talking about as far as what the president knew and when did he know it. we reported this payment to stormy daniels the second week in january. before we reported that story, i went to the white house and i went to michael cohen. the white house told me can you give us a little more time before you post the story because the president is at events and we want to brief the president. and michael cohen said i need to talk to my client, who is the president. both of them subsequently gave us comments. this issue of the president
didn t know about the stormy daniels payment before he spoke in april on air force i is kind of nonsensical since i know the president was briefed on january at least and what did he know at the time when the payment was made in 2016 and what did he find out between that time and when we first reported it in january of 2018. that s astonishing. i was going to ask you how we re looking at your article in convert with this piece talking about when the president might have known about this. taking what i just said there, that it something you re probably looking into, what what kind of specificity do we know when that may have happened? i was told the president was briefed in january. it was also all over media reports for several months before he spoke on air force i. what did he mean when he said i don t know about it? did he mean i don t know about it at the time when it happened, it kind of unclear.
but we did previously report that michael cohen was late in making the payment to stormy daniels before the election and he had said at the time as an execution i m trying to reach the president, i can t reach the president right now because he s on the campaign trail. so basically it s his intention was at the time to inform the president and also has his fixer, it s very important to michael cohen for the president to know what did he do for him, right? and he also wanted to get reimbursed. so the notion that he didn t tell president trump when he entered into the agreement, even though we know he was trying to do that and then he didn t do it afterwards when he was trying to get reimbursed, we don t have proof of when he told him but we do know that he was certainly intending to tell him and speak to the president. michael, thank you very much. thanks to your and your colleagues as well.
i want to welcome in our guests. react what we just heard there from michael rothfeld. there is so much confusion surrounding this still. we re making inroads but there is still a lot of confusion. that was actually a really good point that michael rothfeld made about the point that the washington post reached out in january to the white house for comment saying this is what we know about the payment to stormy daniels. therefore the president was briefed on this, as the white house said he would have been. and trump of course aboard air force i said he did not know about the payment. does he mean he didn t know about it at the time or didn t know about it at all? of course rudy giuliani on fox news said the president had just learned the night before he did
the fox news interview what the payment is for. unless the without is lying, it seems clear that trump did know as early as january what this payment was for. it s almost like a william faulkner novel where you have every character telling the story from a different perspective. we heard from michael cohen, from rudy giuliani, we heard from president trump at the end of the week. how clear is our sense of what happened and who knew what when? i think journalists know that the president knew things before he s saying he knew them. and someone here is lying, likely the president of the united states. the problem is there isn t a clear timeline established. the thing that was most interesting to me was that rudy giuliani s clarification was not a clarification at all. when i read it i thought i m
almost more confused now than when he was on fox & friends and all these other programs talking about this. one of the things that stuck out to me about that clarification is the first line says there is no campaign violation. and that to me gets to the heart of why things are so vague now. someone in president trump s orbit is worried about whether or not there were rules broken. rudy giuliani is saying there s no campaign violation. that could be true in the future but stormy daniels lawyer is saying in their lawsuit, in black and white that part of the reason why this is a problem was because that president trump and the people around him could have been influencing the 2016 lebs with that payment. we don t know that this is true. we move to really strict language at the end of the week. dare i say a different voice
from the president that we usually see from the president during those tweets. we waited and waited for the statement to come, it finally did, it was three point and very conscientiously written, i think you could say. what s your sense of how well the white house has its arms around the story at this point? well, those tweets were certainly very lawyerly. my colleagues and i at the daily beast had reported that the white house, and i think a lot of that has born out. the problem with that is what we know m this investigation what the president s lawyers are trying to do is convince. we know that james comey made a number of claims in his memos based on his conversations with the president and we know based on reporting that the special counsel s office is trying to
having trump s ear and paul manafort s ear and having the confidence of both men. rudy giuliani now brought in. clearly he was that sounding board for the president for so long. he s leading his legal team but it sound like there s so much disarray around this. i talked to a white house official after he was kind of slapped down saying he needs to get his facts right. what s really happening is that the president is still very much in favor of him being here. he hired him not because of his legal mind and all of things he could do in the courtroom but because he wants a moth pieceut to go on fox news and talk about this and be aggressive. rudy giuliani is someone the president wants around him. so you ll see more of what we saw last week. thank you all very much for your time.
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not the other way around. a federal judge calling out robert mueller s team. during a court appearance, the former trump campaign manager asked to have the bank fraud charge against him dismissed. judge ellis said you don t
really care about mr. manafort s bank fraud you really care about what information mr. manafort can give you about his impeachment or lead to his prosecution or whatever. i ve been saying that for a long time. none of that information has to do with information related to the russian government coordination and the campaign of donald trump. it doesn t have anything to do. it s from years before. an extraordinary moment as president trump quoted chapter and verse from a wall street journal piece. paul manafort s trial is scheduled to begin in july. joining us, my guests, danny, what should we make of what we heard in that transcript from
the judge? manafort s been indicted, he filed a motion saying that the special counsel in indicting him exceeded his authority and you the appointment order. this was not related to russia. this did not even arise from the investigation. all the stuff that manafort s indicted for the government already knew about years ago and it can t possibly have to do with russia because it was so many years ago. it s a clever argument. however, the judge s questions related to the government s ultimate goal. hey, this isn t really about bank fraud, this is about you want to try and turn him. that s not really what the motion is about but when you re a federal judge, you re appointed to life, so if you want to veer off to the side during oral argument, no problem, can you do that. i don t know that that colloquy will find its way into the
ultimate opinion or order. that kind of questioning if i m a defense attorney in that courtroom, i m thinking this motion, does it actually have a chance because most of these motions to dismiss are the longest of long shots. i want you to weigh in on the cleverness or outlandishness of the request that we ve seen paul manafort make here. what did you make of what that judge, that reagan appointee had to say. he s been on the bench for a long time. what did you make of the line of his questions yesterday? i thought it was fair. i agreed with the judge s comments. were they appropriate or necessary? perhaps not. i think his inquiry on the indictment and the russian investigation was fair, especially if the issue before him of the question of scope. when rod rosenstein appointed robert mueller, he was given broad authority to investigate and coordinate any leaks or any
matter that arose or may arise from his investigation into the russian interference and collusion. if robert mueller while investigating interference and collusion uncovers information about criminal activity that involves manafort, he s not going to turn a blind eye. that would be foolish and illogical. there are no legal or ethical limits that should limit robert mueller in pursuing any crimes discovered during the investigation. i think he s going todictment b can t have an indictment without probable cause. that hasn t changed. probable cause exists. that mean there may have been crimes that have been committed. that doesn t change because they feel this indictment has nothing to do with the original inquiry. in addition, the government s argument here is if something does arise, the main justice can
essentially authorize this additional investigation. but manafort s argument here is it looks exactly at the language that yodit just cited, the matters that may arise from the investigation. it s logically impossible, says the defense, for a matter to, quote, arise from the russia investigation if these incidents happened so long ago and therefore could not logically have any relationship to something flowing from or arising from the russia investigation. again, it s a huge long shot. but if you re the defense and you hear the judge veer off into that discussion, you re thinking maybe there s a chance. yodit, the new york times quoted a legal scholar, lawyers are required to keep their clients fully informed of their activities and are generally prohibited from advancing money to or on behalf of their
clients. that runs counter to what we ve heard from rudy giuliani to the role that the fixer is playing here. rudy giuliani is saying this is a lawyer s duty to do this on behalf of his client. help me understand the ethical obligations of a lawyer when it comes to making payments along the line of those we ve been reporting for. there s so many inconsistencies. there s been lying, there s been deception, there s been misrepresentation, all of which are actionable by any state bar. you have cohen staying i negotiated the terms of this nda and paid $130,000 to stormy daniels without trump s knowledge or consent. he already violated client consultation and client goodl e guidelines within the rules of professional conduct. then we find out he lied and that violates ethical rules because he lied.
any way you want to see this there have been violations of ethical rules, especially when you talk about paying an attorney a retainer. that already triggers rules of professional conduct. i think he s definitely going to be sanctioned in some way, if not disbarred, especially if he s indicted and convicted of a felony. that s surely going to lead to his disbarment. need to have a longer conversation about this particular issue. this week rudy giuliani also clarifying statements he made about former fbi director james comey after claiming president trump fired mr. comey because he wouldn t tell the president he wasn t a target in the russia investigation. on friday rudy giuliani wrote, quote, if is undisputed that the president s dismissal of former director comey was clearly within the president s power.
joining me is the chief operating saw for e.t.s. risk management and a national security analyst. the president saying what he said a number of times before here, frank that is correct in his estimation he has done the american people a favor by dismissing mr. comey. david, this is one of a handful of comments we ve thaerd th heard this week that have not on not helped the president but harmed the president. so stating that he fired comey because he wouldn t say that the president wasn t a target leans towards an obstruction charge. if you re firing the head of the fbi because he won t tell the public he s not a target, sound like you re getting rid of
somebody because they won t say things are okay. and whether it s saying that cohen is being repaid through installmen installments, whether it s saying that the president generally understood that, quote, cohen takes care with such things with regard to paying off women actually harms the president and exposes him to even further federal charges. we heard rudy giuliani refer to the new york fbi as storm troopers and that prompted a vociferous response from james comey. let s listen to what he had to say. that s unacceptable when the nation s leaders representatives attack the institutions of justice, the rest of us not only have to pay attention, but we have to speak out. we need those institutions. the notion that the fbi is made up of nazi storm troopers is wrong and dangerous. i think all of us have to say
that s not normal and we have to speak back to it. as he just said, these attacks are not acceptable and as he just said there, normal. what do you make of what rudy giuliani had to say this week? first of all, it s a shameful comment. rudy should know better. rudy is really looking at roadiroa eroding his own legacy. he s going to go for someone who stood for something to someone who would fall for anything. he s fallen into this white house trap, bullying, calling names, attacks on the laws and justice. he s becoming trump s lackey and he s not doing a good job of it. referring to fbi agents who he s worked with throughout his career as nazi storm troopers
are or referencing nazi storm troopers, shameful, eroding his legacy and i predict rudy will not be around long in terms of representing president. and james comey starting his career in the southern district office with rudy giuliani. thank you for your perspective as always. paradise under fire. in hawaii, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions are forcing evacuatio evacuations. stay with us. - i love my grandma. - anncr: as you grow older, your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great. when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad s got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide.
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behind south korea and japan. kim jong un s regime called the resynchronizing today the first practical step toward making the north and the south one korea again. the white house announcing last night this south korea s president will travel to washington later this month ahead an historic summit between president trump and kim jong un. we await word on the release of three detainees. we ve talked about them before. there was some speculation that mike pompeo would have made this a point ahead of that summit between president trump and kim jong un. we had rudy giuliani indicating they d be released. clearly that hasn t happened. we had the president tweeting this out, as everybody is aware, the past administration has long been asking for three hostages to be released from a north korean labor camp but to no avail. stay tuned.
what do you make of this ahead of the summit? you re dealing with three lives and people who have families. maybe there s some iron-clad assurance to the north koreans that weren t able, maybe the families were told they re being released but usually you d say absolutely nothing until they re released and then you can say whatever you want. i assume they have some promises from the north koreans. hard to say. but i would counsel against saying anything until they re actually released. i want to get your perspective on where we are ahead of that leader summit. john bolton, the national security adviser met with his south korean counterpart. you have an announcement of a meeting on may the 22nd, the south korean president will meet with president trump. what does president trump want to know as he approaches that summit? i hope they re working on it right now. presumably part of the kim jong
un/moon jae-in summit was to talk about the summit will president trump. i hope there s a benchmark understanding of what is going to be said. i m pleased that john bolton has been talking to the south korean national security adviser. i d sort of like to know whether he s been in touch with the north koreans, do they have any kind of joint statement they ve been working on. because i wouldn t just leave this up to the to leaders to kind of having a gab fest over. i mean, there s got to be some clear understanding of what this is going to look like. this is a huge, huge stakes for everybody, especially our president. i presume there s some kind of assurance that the north koreans will say something or do something on denuclearization. but so far i think the president is kind of keeping his cards very close to the vest and we re not really sure what s going to come ot ut of it. you and i talked a few weeks
ago about the planning of a summit like this. as i watched the korea summit take place between north and south korea, i was struck by how every detail seemed to be thought of, down to what the leaders ate. do you get the sense that the same level of interest and planning is going into this summit, which to me seems like it would be necessary, if not more necessary. i think it s more necessary. the stakes are enormenormous. in fairness to the administration, i had no idea that mike pompeo had gone off to north korea. he presumably got some ideas from the north koreans. it would seem you would get some more signs of what actually is going to be done. the president hinted the other day, well, we ve already decided on a place and a date.
i don t quite understand why that has to be a deep, dark secret at this point. maybe it s security or maybe it s just the president s sense of show mmanship. in any event, i think there has to be an understanding that this is not going to be about switching the time zones today or even we leasing the three americans, as good news as that is, there s got to be some major step forward on denuclearization. again, the president, you don t get the sense he s talking to the congress, you don t get the sense there s a lot of consultation that the state department is doing something, yet you do get the sense there are some conversations going on somewhere and i just that this president has just not told us too much of anything. joining us on saturday from colorado from the university of denver where he s a professor in practice, christopher hill, thank you for the time. the command are in chief, the nra, his controversial comments
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texas. we go to the convention floor at the kay bailey hutchinson convention center in dallas. i want to ask you what the reaction was to kay bailey hutchison scenter in dallas, an what is the reaction to the speech that we saw yesterday delivered by president trump? absolutely. so today, it is very crowded in the exhibition hall. yesterday, as you mentioned trump was here, but there was a big portion where there was not a lot of people in here, but over 815 acres of space has been crowded throughout the day. i spoke to the family, and three generations, 14 years old from the grandson to 75 years old about what they thought about what trump said and the father said he is not liking that trump has flip-flop edped a lot. he says that trump s twitter to use his words is weird and takes away from the message when him and the vice presidentt is
unprecedented both showed up here. they believe that the message is not that strong when he flip-flops, but the 75-year-old who is a vietnam veteran says he unequivocally supports trump. i asked them about the ar-15, and after parkland, it is controversial, and they said a that it is a hunting game and they stressed that they would use it for something like that. at the end of the spectrum, i met a 19-year-old a college sophomore and sor roority membe and nra member, and this is what she said about her own gun membership. reporter: how many guns do you have? i have no guns. you are an nra member, but you don t have any guns? right. reporter: will you own guns? when i am lawful and train and ready and feel comfortable enough, then yes, possibility. reporter: and you would conceal and carry? yes. reporter: now sidney did tell me that hee is opposed to the
ar-15, because it is an attack on the second amendment, but she does not hold any guns on her own and stresses safety. you are there, savannah on 815 acres there at the convention center, and we heard the speeches by the president and the vice president of the speeches over the course of the multi day event, and how much of it focuses on how much the speakers have to say? you know, people here are talking a lot about what the speakers have to say, a lot of what trump and pence said yesterday, and from the people i spoke to, a lot of them were impressed with the fact that both of the vice president and the president showed up at this event, but this right here, the exhibition hall is where you feel like you are at ant event attended by 80,000 people, and even in the hallways, it is packed, every lunch table and everything, and it is very crowded in here. thank you, savannah sellers there at the convention center in dallas. thank you, david. and organizers in dallas were joined by the moms demand action for gun sense in america.
the group s texas chapper ter is holding a training session and workshop on using the social immedia media and busting the gun myths to fight for gun control, and joining us is the founder for gun sense in america is shannon watson and great to speak with you again. thank you. i want to get your reaction of what the president said yesterday, and savannah said unprecedented to have the president of the united states and the vice president wrapping in the mantle of the national rifle association, and the president delivered a wide-ranging speech. he did talk about guns, and couch it in political terms. i just want to get your reaction to what he had to say, shannon. absolutely. the reason that he was there in the first place is that the nra has made a $30 million investment in donald trump s presidency, and so they are looking for a return on the investment which includes he and mike pence attending the event, and i want to point out that when the funerals were happening for the parkland students, donald trump was actually in florida playing golf instead of
attending the funeral, but he was able to make his way to dallas to speak out and help sell guns, and so i think that really shows where this administration is, and how aligned they are with the national rifle association. i want to pull up a rekrecen poll here, and the nbc news and wall streett journal poll looking at the nra and the most recent polling, 37% have a favorable estimation of the nra and 40% have unfavorable estimation, and going back to april of 2017, and it is 45% favorable, and 33% unfavorable, and so does that tell you that the power of the nra has diminish and what is your group doing as it is look at this issue in the political context as you are looking ahead in the 2018 midterms? absolutely. the nra s power is diminishing and the agenda of the leadership is becoming toxic to botht lawmakers and companies. we have seen hundreds of companies distance themselves from the nra since parkland in the last few months where four
a-rated republicans have signed sweeping gun reform legislation despite the opposition of the nra and so we are seeing the lawmakers and companies and others be embarrassed to be associated with the national rifle association. it is no longer a badge of honor, but a scarlet letter to be an a-rating. so it is our job to make sure that voters know where the candidate stands on this issue, and when they are voting in november, they are voting on this issue. when you are looking at the historical power of the certain rating has been for certain members of congress, and what is your group proposed to do to sort of fight that to representatives who are worried about the perception of the nra and what can your group do differently and your approach to elections changing? well, the reading is a quid pro quo and saying that you will give us your vote in return for campaign doe nation, and monetary support, and so we have a pac and we are support iing t
opposition of people who support the nra and we are in fact giving moms demand action gun sense distinctions to candidate who fill out a questionnaire, and support our agenda of the gun safety, and we are canvassing and educating, but what is interesting is that our own volunteers are running. 13 ran in november, and nine won. we have several dozen running this november from statehouse to congress, and one way to really change policy is to be the ones making it. shannon, great to speak with you as always. thank you so much. she is shannon watts, the president of moms demand action gun sense in america. and coming up a survivor of the parkland gun violence weighs in on the force of the nra. stay tuned for that.
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with group g. and with england we have to wonder will this summer the end of fifty two years of good question how far can england make it on the sixteen i think that s that s more than an all time why don t all the brits just play together with scotland wiles and northern ireland. imagine an international football team of the frontline of garrison style current time and will great and make cambridge tells us why he is english up there oh. but we ve got germans today japanese and german japanese who should make it so right for this summer. course those are the. let s get things started with all that s me hungry jane.
taking a trip back in time to nine hundred ninety six when the old wembley still stood here and england hosted the european championship. in their iconic tournament and david baddiel and frank skinner sang about it. and when england made it through to the semifinal it looked as though the white for a first trophy since the sixty six world cup could be over. but we all know what happened next germany s revenge for sixty six down south they missed. the therapy to be chicken pizza obviously. and eventually became a month ago. so now more than two decades on england is still
waiting. but will it happen again russia twenty eight c. will this summer the end of fifty two years of let s find out. the three lions have one of the tournament favorites in group g. belgium along with central americans woke up dead beats on panama and north african side to musea. it might be a country where football was born but for over half a century kids here have been growing up without seeing that same win anything so how does that feel and i can tell you that between all the penalty shootout losses the hands of god and the embarrassing defeats it just hurts too much so i asked some friends to tell me if there s any reason to still be optimistic take it away. when i mistook it i guess my name is rob davis i work for scott olds i am
a gallery manager and freelance journalist but i m from over last night s fifty two years now been supporting england all my life so thirteen years mom says that when the winning goal went in on the final goal in the world cup final everyone jumped in train them i jumped out my car i think as an england fan when you were my age in the light six more early seventies not to get into football you had a you had a high expectation but we know what i had sort of disappointments in seven in seventy four stuff that i kind of brought your expectations then automatically my heart as a fan would have been it s really not you got to see the same in the camaraderie among my fans was absolutely fantastic. as we re going to mention you think we re going to start badly in the bridge site got better got better got better and then both tomcat scored that goal to get there with your kind of think this might be easy going to be out on but it wasn t just. the high point
was probably again france not yeah i really felt like we could do well michael owen it is very best share up front and. always go against argentina is one of my favorite for many races what is my earliest obviously thought we were going to win it didn t happen and then from there on it was just a gradual spiral word disappointment i guess that it s almost like a low point there isn t one specific hung i can mention you know there s too many to mention. i hope it is going to southgate at this thought that by just bluff the kids bring the kids in. to get the kids in charge of the experience next time around. i think you need to choose the best team that we have at that moment whether that is someone who s thirty five or someone he s sixteen seventeen years of age or whatever the best players are at that time of the play. as the need to go to the plate. shows that we have
a set of real hard working players we have quality as well the hurricane is the focal point. steady alley. we could do well wrecking stylings playing well rush for. a forward line looks pretty good and that s half the battle i think you know where we re sure in in defense and you know off the perch situation is still an issue. really if you can t beat panama into his year then. it s a group that we should get through obviously my prediction for him of the world cup oversight quarterfinals. not with those sort of massive expectations on them or something could be going to go with it because response by some of these and from one of the free friendlies but the good impression i think we re going in there on the rights of the sixteen i think that s that s more than enough out of sight for us to say nice would be out something three gold. the way i see it will be lucky to make the quarter finals and you know what that s ok a lifetime of
never really getting any further than that has taught me to enjoy it anyway there s one thing i ask please no more of this. to that minority of england fans who seem to take pleasure in turning host cities into war zones please stop giving giving us all a bad name for a long long time. so that s england but what about the things they re facing in the great to talk about that across town to another stadium. this one stamford bridge because it s here that the belgian captain played his football there are a few players in the world who could rival eight and i was up for sensational dribbling he s not the only belgian at chelsea. is the man between the sticks for both sides. they aren t alone as premier league stars in the belgium squad in fact
they can hardly be two teams in football they know each other as well as england and the red devils just look at chelsea s london rivals top. they have two of belgium center hobson young for the all the world class midfield in force. and we can just as easily be doing the belgium section from manchester except our budget didn t cover the trade. since joining manchester city given the broiler has become one of the best players in the world while teammate vincent kompany has just won his third premier league title. across the city united s romelu lukaku is belgium s all time top scorer at the age of twenty four and has also not ruled for lightning. so we could see belgium first eleven with seven right premier league players and a couple more coming off the bench who knowing their enemy help england stop belgium in their tracks although they just make a. another painful summer then fans watching their team get beaten by
a team that was made in england. in any case the real question for belgium is can this golden generation finally shake off near achieve it. i m going to say no. talent i don t see this belgium team beating the likes of france or brazil like with england another some of the frustration is in store. at least england of what it wants so. the good news for belgium is that whatever happens in the match between them they shouldn t have too much trouble the other side s in group g. two countries who have never made it past the group stage at a world cup in fact i never even qualify for a world cup of. gold from roman torres against costa rica in the final qualifier secured panama s place at their maiden world. it was a huge moment for the nation finally qualifying for the world cup the eleventh attempt that puts england s woes into perspective but since then their preparations
have been going well. recently friendlies against denmark in switzerland conceding seven and scoring. anything can happen in football but panama winning a game at russia twenty eight would be a giant achievement and the same could be said for. the country might be set for its fifth appearance at a world cup but the team has only one wants in twelve games. it is very first world cup match against mexico way back in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight since then its full t.v. is of. frankly what i m saying is even england can screw up this group. they still wouldn t go on picking belgium to finish first. ahead of southgate site. i m
back in panama to get a win at the first ever world cup to finish third ahead of tunisia. and then might not end fifteen years of hurt in russia but most fans would be happy with a performance reminiscent of nine hundred ninety six a combination of passion hard work and more than a few goals in mind to be a trophy but it would be something to be proud of and join me next time for the final. what. we waited for years but now it s finally here. it s finally a world cup time again. get you world cup ready. all you really wanted to know about russia twenty eight sitting right here. into the details so who are the biggest players what are the biggest stories but not just from the office we ve traveled across the world to answer your questions and missy during
this time. there. what do you think is going to work. fly around the world and bland in russia to track germany s golden voice with chico . to be keeping a special high on team germany. let s do it let s get the cup again. which you know was lunch. they seem nice for my dear four hundred. school favorite during the world cup so it s good to subscribe to kickoff you keep all of our woke up to. see nations will take part in the world cup so why doesn t anybody play as part of a unified scene great britain let s ask our experts and mccambridge. imagine in. the national football team is the front line of gary s battle hurricane
and will freak i m not doing that well great thing. is you know i don t want to do it if humiliate me and a lot of a lot of people respect me. griggs all five. britain has an off policy when it comes to sports it has a combined combined rugby team even combined. so have you ever wondered why england scotland northern ireland and wales have separate football teams we did a quick google. think it was super sleuth dude if i m right you all have to buy me a beer and you will. according to super still do this because players are too shy to get into a combined great british team that s not the case even if it is true the real reason great britain has four separate football teams it s all to do with timing football as we know it was invented in england in the mid nineteenth century with
the first international match being played in eight hundred seventy two england against scotland in glasgow and. how exciting. but it s one thing for came along in ninety nine for england scotland ireland and wales had only been playing each other in tournament for twenty years they were deemed too well established to combine over the next one hundred and fourteen years these four proud footballing nations won one world cup between them is not very good but there have been times that great britain has played together nine hundred forty seven is match of the century for example a british eleven featuring stanley matthews against the european eleven the game up twenty seven years and two world wars since the four nations were parts of the game ended six one to britain we must be good together at the olympic games in twenty twelve in london a great british team competed for the first time in more than fifty years for a gold medal the team was kept in by walsh when rowing digs in the squad featured
daniel sturridge craig bellamy and the welsh himself but the team didn t feature any scots or northern irishman and guess how we went out in the quarter finals on penalties the good news is we didn t lose to germany but uses. at the twenty six think games in rio great britain thin and so it seems scotland wales and northern ireland didn t fancy joining england over. the radar. so would you guys like to see a cold war and great riches levon at the next olympic games in tokyo twenty twenty just imagine it gareth by zero hurricane and well craig seen it. it s not all about england some fans are more than one nationality like nicole. hi i m a coach or not nikita or an acquittal we could all the names from to cab just like him my jets series again filming with his film and that s my mom but typical german
as you can see they say the world cup is coming up and that all fans want their home country to him. what does that mean for me should i root for japan or germany. tough question since i live in germany and don t really know much about japan i have to do some research on japan. we want to check out japan and the football there japan or germany which team should i support. some who are would top your colorful low chinese grades now where s the football here this week first dive into an underground bunker shot up a sales japan was originally a baseball country and football used to be played in black and whites on paper money like you. next month that brings me
here to check out the virtual sight of football in a gaming hall where we could have spent the whole trip they ve got plenty of buttons here oh man i love buttons wait is there any actual for. yeah. you can tell japan is excited for the world cup to finally of all the true heroes the blue some overnight. keep it all being torn off probably even here i went to meet john cabot he sits high up in the sky like he s a famous commentator covering the blue summer games for the upcoming so happy that s what makes it so exciting for you. it s going to be the do or die game hopefully we will do and go to the round of sixteen and maybe face england isn t that going to be fascinating.
i m not so sure is it. and should i even believe this guy i m more interested in the blue summarize chances in the tournament. it s going to be a tough one for japan. as you know the coach was fired i know i know i heard that already somehow this is all making me very tired we have a new japanese coach. being japanese and being. the best actually coach of jamie winning more games than any other coaches in the history of daily so i believe. he s the man who else could it be i m not sure if i m really so i ll ask him about your parents frank we have the south american technique probably not do we have the strength and. you know the muscular power of
the europeans probably not but as you can see how mexicans have been successful in the past tournaments size doesn t matter so it s a determination. we have it doesn t matter. to me ok. japan or germany challenge number one food first. i m not really my thing and germany oh hello hello hello hello both of them always good german if you put it up one you. can t. he s a sports journalist from. i m pretty sure he even was everything about football before chanting he shows me the coolest pitch in the city on the roof. i haven t
seen much in my young life but i know that was something special but what can i get something i need to know who s going to be lining up for the new summer right. now. i m sure. everybody who talks about i believe he s the best. now going to go. it s going to.
be. so it s a lot of. pretty. sure but you know the one of. i m. going to do them all thankfully go through a lot of. our trip we move on to sites i m not sure how much except my dad s diamonds from this place they re always up and the j.b. and i especially proud of one player he was born here and grew up with the red sox but she can t i know him already since he plays in germany. his parents invited me over to hang up when somebody is a story about his son and it s not for me. to . know. that he did it. because i think you.
are. well. that s a. that s going to. be interested to. know. all right then challenge number two. can you step stands for and mom for germany where is the dark had it that well besides all this. say it s headed towards germany but mom is messing with the dog so no one s getting a point this time i d say afterwards we do something really clever and we had to training watching the rats was my first two taste of the genie.
and then a dream comes true i get to meet one of these bodies and the player himself now. he engaged to be a close friend so he seems like a nice guy. but it s. more what i was you know i thought that he might not that i must be. part of the show. not that. sure i agree i m pretty sure if he said i m a few. i think so he. said he we had to keep going. to our next stop is for. i ve been told the people there are crazy football crazy japanese football was supposedly born here and twenty national team players come from here one of them is the captain my cultural has a bit and here in
a little sporting goods store i ran into a buddy of his. school education such as the crew for clothes shop is filled with nice collectibles great stuff related to resist new design make a difference and russia. for the form of a single hard study. good luck to see. what s this thing don t people usually kissing it just like tim ford. in the end he s got to clear. the air with you moved in and. when you pull over you but you can. take the final challenge let s settle this on the pitch i try to play football even though i can t even walk but let me give it
a go anyway and there it is gold for japan what was above them. but even in japan there is a reminder of how great germany is because germany s best ambassador plays right into this stadium for this local but guess who rides could be the legendary lucas put odds. on germany players and here he is smiling at me play he as an expert of both countries who am i supposed to root for. the boys closer to. what a calming life is good for our stuff some of those used by about put your microphone from the shadows on the front of my goats and so on the boredom back would pull you up on my back all. the poland s and other countries to worry about how exhausting. so
a lot well i do. our trip is over and top i once to know if i made up my mind to love japan i like the people here in this jewelry especially the food but everything except maybe the food. i find both jewish these cool blue and white as long as both my countries are in. each other i m five both of them boring too bad for you and for the sitemap.
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