Trump campaign raised an enormous amount of money for, right after the election, the january 6th committee in the house found that very little of that money was actually used in defense of the election, it has been used for all kinds of other things, so it sort of looks like what people were being told they were giving money for, and what the money was actually spent on, it might be an area that the prosecutors are now looking into. so where does this story go next? we got to keep watching who is going into the grand jury, which is another thing that we reported is, that the grand jury activity has been ramping up, really accelerating, and who continues to get subpoenas, and eventually, whether it appears that the prosecutors are actually narrowing down their case. every subpoena that we ve seen, just is incredibly wide-ranging, and looking at everything that went into former president trump s efforts to overturn the election. it what will be interesting is when they narrow so we can start to see if there is a direct case
Hutchinson about what she was specificallied to, what she felt, who she wasn t told, who she did not hear from that day. those kinds of things that can maybe weaken, i guess, this report, but also put it in a different context. the more that the committee, the more the prosecutor, the more the special counsel can make those connections directly to the president, the stronger it gets. the more it goes on, this is a gift for a prosecutor, but i also may have some lumps of coal in it for them to deal with down the road. michael, so the first 34 transcripts we received, they had in common this pleading the fifth. we saw it from john eastman. we saw it from michael flynn, kelly ward of the arizona republican party. how will the department of justice be able to get more from these people than did the january 6th committee in the house? well, i mean, that s usually the trick.
Waiting for the latest shoe to drop in the mar-a-lago documents case, but also how that fits now that the a special prosecutor has been named and the january 6th committee in the house is laying charges to recommend him and a number of his closest allies. in a moment, committee member adam schiff joins us. but first, cnn s pamela brown sets the stage. what is the latest we know about possible criminal referrals by the january 6th committee? i just got off the phone with a source familiar with the deliberations, and i m told the intent for the committee is by the end of this week, they will have made the final decisions on criminal referrals. and the people they re looking at include the former president donald trump and his allies. now, i am told by the source that they re only looking at people who may be under investigation by doj but have not been prosecuted, have not faced charges. this week is going to be a very busy week for the committee, as they go over various names and deliberate on these criminal
Walk in tomorrow and have access to everything or while they have it at the end of the hesitation. and so you know, i think most of the base wants to see these documents turnover lady into the justice department. but, there may be something to strategically that january six committee needs from justice, and so this is a negotiation. d so this is a negotiation i think it may be negotiating, but my suspicion is it s more negotiating about the criminal contempt referrals that the january 6th committee in the house made to the department of justice, especially about mark meadows, which the committee has complained about wildly, loudly, that they ve not acted on that.
Constituents on a tour, it was a family, he said and their gas, i don t know who those people are. they were wearing red baseball caps, they went to the house office building, but he claims they did not go into the capital. this is interesting because mr. louder mix committee has been so forceful in calling out the democrats on this issue and saying that these were all lies there was no towards, going on that these are basically defamatory accusations against them. it does seem like they do have some evidence here from january six committee to put out that they have evidence that directly contradicts this statement. we don t know if they reviewed all of the video, the capitol police have given them about 14,000 helpers, of total video to review here. so, i do assume that they ve had where they are saying, well
It s not reasonable to expect that the department of justice we ve give any information an ongoing investigation into the january six committee. the information really flows one way when it comes to ongoing investigations. it s possible that they made official requests to the department of justice for records of stuff that some related to the investigation, but my guess is they re not going to get a lot of that material. as to timing, i agree. i just said after the hearings hey there will start to be a lot more coordination. because ultimately the members of the january six committee, especially liz cheney, really wants to see accountability from criminal prosecution and indictment by the department of justice, and that they only want to do that to the extent that the committee can help the department of justice [inaudible] , i think it s their incentives
Cafeteria and one of the house office buildings. so, what was so awful but this family that caused committee to make a false accusations about them, well, someone actually wearing red baseball caps. the january six committee, however, says they have evidence that quote, the luck directly cowed contradicts loudon exclaimed. joining me now luke broadwater, congressional msnbc legal analyst daniel goldman, and former counsel for the first trump impeachment. good to see you both, luke, was the first to accuse the gop of giving congressman torres of the capital, here is the miscounting, cullison. i was really shocked, when i got into the house office building and saw these groups inside. there had been no tours allowed, even towards given by members, and so the only reason why you have a visitor is an official business. so, to see these groups around
Investments, in teams, in full accountability on january 6th and true accountability can really only come from the department of justice which is only arm that can actually critically prosecute anyone. the january six committee, has very little authority to do much else other than reveal what occurred and passed legislation and recommend legislation. so, there s some frustration my gases after these earrings there will be better coordination, it maybe make sense for all of government, for the country or the january six committee to get these transcripts over, i think they want to have their moment in the sun in this hearing, and weigh in on getting them. luke, i referenced this news breaking you of course broke that story about the justice department s request, any insights you can give us into their thinking? sure, i think that this sort
Significant part of the story, we now know from mark meadows text messages, that they were a number of sitting congressman who were involved in the effort to overturn the election. now what we have here, is the committee being directly contradicting larry loudermilk, and the minority of his committee that upstanding looked at the capitol police video, denied there was anything suspicious there. i guarantee you, running that investigation that numerous former prosecutors on that investigation would not make that allegation unless they had the goods. unless they had evidence, they did not say that your on a tour with a family, you had lunch or whatever it was, that s barry loudermilk saying that that was the door they re talking about. we don t even know whether that is the door, so, we don t know if it s video
There is a congressman giving a tour, there is another one, again, they didn t directly alleged anyone involved avenue these stories later infiltrated the building. but they do know that that these tours were supposed to be off limits at the time and so they want people to come unanswered questions, if it was only tours, what weather names, what else can you tell us about them, why were they in washington at this time, and, you know, you get to see these congresswoman actually come in and submit to the interview. i think what is in part interesting to me, is we have these public hearings that are forthcoming, at this point there few days away. how this piece, what happened in the lead up to january six, the role that sitting members of congress had in the lead up to january six, as the committee tries to build that part of the narrative, these congressman torres how important there to tell that story? , well i, think there is a