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>> he said jennifer's family told alex that she's not really part of their family. i don't understand how they can love her and make her a special part and treat her like blood and then all of a sudden just turn and go the other way. >> she says alex was very upset by the rejection. stephen was as well. soon with the spring thaw, about six months after stephen and jennifer's wedding, their relationship grew ice cold. now it was stephen himself who was also feeling rejected, kicked out of that family circle. >> stephen was hurt and discouraged. i don't know if he thought that was just a stage that she would go through while she was pregnant, a hormonal thing. somehow he could make things better and get them back on track. >> it didn't get better. instead, the relationship flew off the rails after the baby was born in june 2007, a girl named sydney. >> it was like jennifer wanted her family and her to be part of sydney's life, but didn't

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catered to jennifer. >> she's a spoiled rotten brat. i know that's a harsh statement. we didn't do anything if jennifer didn't want to do it. >> ed says shirley doted on jennifer, the family's first-born grandchild. >> they was very, very close. there was nothing jennifer could ask for that she didn't get. she lived as a princess, treated as a princess. when she went to church, she looked like a little doll stepped out of a magazine, dressed fit to kill. >> as she grew up, he says jennifer could be sweet, but her dark side was something else. >> it's a monster that comes out of a closet. it's very, very ugly, very ugly. she just thinks she can control anybody that she comes along with. >> when jennifer doesn't get her way, what happens? >> she throws a fit and life is miserable for everybody around. >> do you believe jennifer was just using stephen to get a child. now she had what she wanted, she had to get out? >> i think at the time she was probably hoping that it would work, hoping he would knuckle

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gotten so frustrated over the child custody battle that he completely lost it and barged into the house on a rampage? with shirley, jennifer and grandpa silent, the evidence would have to tell the tale. >> did you see signs of a break-in? >> no, sir, the door didn't have any damage to it. >> any signs of a struggle. >> not on the door. there was supposedly something on the wall that was broke, it was hanging down. >> a sconce on the wall of the house. >> on the wall of the house. >> there's no indication the sconce was broken that way and there was no skin tissue or blood found on the sconce. had shirley skinner really been pushed down by stephen? did you see any injuries consistent with her being knocked to the ground? >> no, sir. >> any black eyes or broken bones? >> no, sir, didn't see anything like that. >> did she seem like her clothes were out of place? >> no, sir. >> didn't even look disheveled? >> no. >> what's more, stephen had been shot once in the back of the head and he did not have a gun or any other weapon on him. the chief didn't think it was self-defense. so what does it look like to

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about six months after stephen and jennifer's wedding, their relationship grew ice cold. now it was stephen himself who was also feeling rejected, kicked out of that family circle. >> stephen was hurt and discouraged. i don't know if he thought that was just a stage that she would go through while she was pregnant, a hormonal thing. somehow he could make things better and get them back on track. >> it didn't get better. instead, the relationship flew off the rails after the baby was born in june 2007, a girl named sydney. >> it was like jennifer wanted her family and her to be part of sydney's life, but didn't want anybody else to be part of it. stephen said, i barely even get to see sydney. when i get home, jennifer goes down to her mom's house with grandma shirley and auld of them. he said she even bathes sydney down there and everything, brings her home at 9:30, 10:00 and time to go to bed and gets up the next morning and starts the routine over again.

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house. >> on the wall of the house. >> there's no indication the sconce was broken that way and there was no skin tissue or blood found on the sconce. had shirley skinner really been pushed down by stephen? >> did you see any injuries consistent with her being knocked to the ground? >> no, sir. >> any black eyes or broken bones? >> no, sir, didn't see anything like that. >> did she seem like her clothes were out of place? >> no, sir. >> didn't look disheveled? >> no. >> what's more, stephen had been shot once in the back of the head and he did not have a gun or any other weapon on him. the chief didn't think it was self-defense. >> so what does it look like to you? >> looks like somebody decided to shoot him in the back of the head. >> but who was the somebody who shot him? members of the skinner family obviously knew who did it, but none of them were talking, complicating matters, chief birdsell had never handled a murder before. most of his law enforcement career had been spent on vehicle code violations. he thought he would be able to handle the case on his own but

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skinner family had been so concerned about the hearing, jennifer's mother hired a private investigator to witness stephen picking up the baby the evening he was killed, perhaps to observe something that could be used against him at the hearing the following day. >> perhaps some dirt, if she was cries when dad picked her up or maybe he wasn't putting her in the baby car seat. >> state police learned jennifer's mother told the private i not to show up, not long before stephen was to arrive. >> less than two hours later stephen watkins is laying dead on the floor. >> suddenly the child custody issue that posed such a problem for jennifer was solved forever. >> according to ed, his family catered to her. >> she's a spoiled rotten brat. i know that's a harsh statement. we didn't do anything if jennifer didn't want to do it. >> ed says shirley doted on jennifer, the first-born grandchild. >> they was very, very close.

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every time i go to work. he's there sitting in his car until i get out. then he follows me. my two boys looked at each other and said stop or steve. once they found out his name. >> his mother said stephen wasn't stopping her, but in fact had spoken with jennifer a few times before asking her out and that very same parking lot. they became a couple instantly. >> this happened so quick, i was shocked. she brought him to church two weeks after they had met and introduced him to my father in law. didn't even know his last name. >> ed says this wasn't how things usually want and his agenda for his family, which he says was slow to accept outsiders. >> where i kind of family that every single night for probably 15 years, we met for supper someplace. either at their house or my house or at a local restaurant. we were just a close knit family. >> the scanners or a religious family, seventh day advantages in the last several years

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kicked out of that family circle. >> stephen was hurt and discouraged. i don't know if he thought that was just a stage that she would go through while she was pregnant, a hormonal thing. somehow he could make things better and get them back on track. >> it didn't get better. instead, the relationship flew off the rails after the baby was born in june 2007, a girl named sydney. >> it was like jennifer wanted her family and her to be part of sydney's life, but didn't want anybody else to be part of it. stephen said, i barely even get to see sydney. when i get home, jennifer goes down to her mom's house with grandma shirley and auld of them. he said she even bathes sydney down there and everything, brings her home at 9:30, 10:00 and time to go to bed and gets up the next morning and starts the routine over again. >> stephen told his parents jennifer thought the arrangement made for the perfect marriage, but stephen

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>> on the wall of the house. >> there's no indication the sconce was broken that way and there was no skin tissue or blood found on the sconce. had shirley skinner really been pushed down by stephen? >> did you see any injuries consistent with her being knocked to the ground? >> no, sir. >> any black eyes or broken bones? >> no, sir, didn't see anything like that. >> did she seem like her clothes were out of place? >> no, sir. >> didn't look disheveled? >> no. >> what's more, stephen had been shot once in the back of the head and he did not have a gun or any other weapon on him. the chief didn't think it was self-defense. >> so what does it look like to you? >> looks like somebody decided to shoot him in the back of the head. >> but who was the somebody who shot him? members of the skinner family obviously knew who did it, but none of them were talking, complicating matters, chief birdsell had never handled a murder before. most of his law enforcement career had been spent on vehicle code violations. he thought he would be able to handle the case on his own but he couldn't.

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i know that's a harsh statement. we didn't do anything if jennifer didn't want to do it. >> ed says shirley doted on jennifer, the first-born grandchild. >> they was very, very close. there was nothing jennifer could ask for that she didn't get. she lived as a princess, treated as a princess. when she went to church, she looked like a little doll stepped out of a magazine, dressed fit to kill. >> as she grew up, he says jennifer could be sweet, but her dark side was something else. >> it's a monster that comes out of a closet. it's very, very ugly, very ugly. she just thinks she can control anybody that she comes along with. >> when jennifer doesn't get her way, what happens? >> she throws a fit and life is miserable for everybody around. >> do you believe jennifer was just using stephen to get a child. now she had what she wanted, she had to get out?

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