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as much as a personal but that is why he has done a service for us to raising this today. the key thing is whether or not those allies that joel was talking about, how committed are they in offering some of these carrots as well as the sticks. gordon brown talked about sanctions, but at the same time, and the guardian today talked about maybe being prepared to offer the taliban government extra funding to finance the return of these girls to school. so you have to work out how thatis school. so you have to work out how that is going to work in terms of a balance. , , , , . balance. interesting perspective. thank ou balance. interesting perspective. thank you so _ balance. interesting perspective. thank you so much _ balance. interesting perspective. thank you so much paul- balance. interesting perspective. thank you so much paul and i balance. interesting perspective. | thank you so much paul and joel, balance. interesting perspective. i thank you so much paul and joel, we will stay there —— stay there we will stay there —— stay there we will come back and we will come back and speak on the us protective order preventing investment in certain chinese to anthony's. —— tech companies.
that people can too easily forget about what are crimes against humanity and that are accepted norms across the international community. what is interesting is that with every autocratic regime there are good guys and bad guys. and less good guys and bad guys. and less good guys, shall we say. the interesting thing is that his twin pronged approach to this is whether or not it will work on the one hand he wants to name individuals and prosecute them and they will get a lot of support from lots of people in the west for that. on the other hand he will try to engage with some parts of the regime to use muslim countries to apply pressure and say, but these are not the norms of our religion. so the interesting question for me is, just how much, how effective that would be within the regime and whether or not he is managing to tease apart the good guys from the bad guys. not sure whether that is actually part of the strategy but it feels like it is. ads, strategy but it feels like it is. a complicated approach there. joel, we heard from gordon brown that the us of course is also recently sent a
but, what is happening here is an attempt to destroy the group of women, to deprive them of their real existence as a church and culture and humidity and they are a group who previously enjoyed it. should start thinking about whether you can approach the general assembly who have the power to amend the genocide convention to consider this. but generally what he has done is the right thing, focus on something we can do and get on with it. it’s right thing, focus on something we can do and get on with it.— can do and get on with it. it's been valuable to — can do and get on with it. it's been valuable to get _ can do and get on with it. it's been valuable to get your _ can do and get on with it. it's been valuable to get your insight - can do and get on with it. it's been valuable to get your insight on - valuable to get your insight on this topic and thank you so much for joining us. let's bring back our panel, paul and joel let's bring back our panel, paul and joel. paul, are you convinced that mr brown's suggestion is some sort of accountability? he mr brown's suggestion is some sort of accountability?— of accountability? he is to be congratulated _ of accountability? he is to be congratulated for _ of accountability? he is to be congratulated for raising - of accountability? he is to be congratulated for raising the | congratulated for raising the profile of this important issue he is right as his role as the un envoy to put the spotlight on this and
and the netherlands as well as china. we still have some supply chains that would be affected. i think what's interesting overall from britain's point of view is that we have moved a long way from the relationship between david cameron and the chinese president which was much more about the golden era of relations. we also heard with liz truss, a more hawkish approach. rishi sunak is trying to do a middle way between those two, trying to engage diplomatic where possible but also be quite robust on security. i think the british approach will be to roughly follow what president biden has announced. we to roughly follow what president biden has announced.— to roughly follow what president biden has announced. we 'ust saw the heinous images — biden has announced. we 'ust saw the heinous images of h biden has announced. we 'ust saw the heinous images of david _ biden has announced. we just saw the heinous images of david cameron - biden has announced. we just saw the heinous images of david cameron and | heinous images of david cameron and the chinese president having a pint together in 2015 in a pub here in london. coming to you, joel, we saw the us secretary head to beijing and try to soothe tensions a bit with china, but at the same time, in washington, we see export restrictions and of course no restrictions and of course no restrictions on investment in china.
it was just very nostalgic for me because it took me back to secondary school where i was trying to get into it, but it never quite happened. beth parsons, bbc north bradford. you're live with bbc news. now it's time for the panel. joel — a topic that's both local and national paul — different story. joel joel, i understand you have your eye and a topic that is both local and national in the us. you and a topic that is both local and national in the us.— and a topic that is both local and national in the us. you back. state issue one in _ national in the us. you back. state issue one in ohio, _ national in the us. you back. state issue one in ohio, it _ national in the us. you back. state issue one in ohio, it was _ national in the us. you back. state issue one in ohio, it was a - national in the us. you back. state issue one in ohio, it was a vote - issue one in ohio, it was a vote on tuesday determining by the ohio people a referendum that is determining whether or not the constitution of ohio could be changed at a higher threshold than currently. now, why is this important? because republicans
pictures from new york, a chaotic scene unfolding. this is downtown manhattan, police are trying to disburse a large crowd gathering at a social media influence or�*s event, a social media influence or�*s event, a giveaway event, in the event, organised by this popular influencer on social media, don't know who it is, had promised prizes and gifts drawing in this massive crowd today, eager to participate. it's raised plenty of questions about the responsibility of social media influencers in managing events, which perhaps haven't been advertised to the police. but it blocked traffic in downtown manhattan today and police are struggling to control it. that's what happens when you put influencers like joel and what happens when you put influencers likejoel and tim on the streets, they come out in droves. now it's time for the panel. two good times for the panel tonight. starting withjoel, we were talking earlier aboutjoe biden and
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jacksonville coming together at around 24 hours at the personal direction of the vice president. governor desantis called her speech, quote, absolutely ridiculous. he is continuing to justify these changes, while interestingly, still distancing himself from the backlash over them that's following him from florida to the campaign trail. >> the battle over florida's new history curriculum -- >> they insult us in an attempt to gaslight us. >> it's very thorough, very factual. nobody is buying their nonsense anymore. >> going national, a white house official tells nbc news that vice president kamala harris decided to go to florida specifically to challenge its new standards with black history education, past just days ago. >> they dare to push propaganda to our children. >> joel critics are blasting the changes, pointing to lessons that teach middle school students, quote,, how slaves develop skills which in some instances could be applied
and the environment and may interfere with the federal government's ability to carry out its official duties. texas governor greg abbott's response we will see you in court. well all of this is happening the texas office of the inspector general is now investigating a report from the houston chronicle and later confirmed by nbc news. a texas state trooper alleged in official court order to pushback people crossing the rio grande. push them back into the river toward mexico and even deny the modern. joining me now to discuss is maria teresa kumar or the president and ceo of voto latino. a great friend and sometimes host of the show. msnbc contributor and former public and consider joel should illinois. he's also here. irregular on the program. maria teresa, as i discussed with the congresswoman. encounters at the border are at their lowest in two years. so the question really, as why henry seemed such an escalation from governor abbott right now.
than one woman there . that was fishy. >> even at church, kathy noticed that a.b. seemed overly attentive to female members of the congregation. in the months leading up to jules' death, she said there was one woman in particular parishioners were whispering about. >> at that point, one arfemale the church that you would see him with in the corner talking was being taken care of in the church. >> meanwhile, as kathy sighed, > her best friend to was frozen out. >> he never hugged her. i don't know if i ever saw him hold her hand, actually. >> one disappointment towered over the others. for months, joel had been looking forward to a trip to new york city to see the phantom of the opera. she had bought tickets to