more want to hear about her as a teacher send pictures as well. joe thought it was june 10th so he threw a party i thought biden was raised in a black church not without rhythm he was dougie fresh wasn t so great either you can were pink tie but can t drink with a straw while. that s all for tonight dvr the show hannity is next always remember them waters and this is my world. sean: welcome to hannity tonight complete hysteria on the west wacko conspiracy theorist rachel maddow claiming she might be put in the camp of donald trump is elected aoc saying trump would throw her in jail the left losing their collective minds but we are ready knew that maybe they never noticed it s only trump people they get charged harassed and put in jail and so on far left, merrick garland called trump s criticism of his weapon eyes department of justice dangerous for people s safety we will address this later in the show and the president to your great country the united states of america is fear mongering about the second amendment calling for new gun restrictions on the day his very own sun is convicted of 3 felony gun charges tonight don t get distracted pay close attention to what i m about to say if you are listening to the media mob and pundits and democratic tax they have no clue about what really happened in the hunter biting case at all. it is deep and profound what has happened the major story they are not talking about or telling you about from the trial is not the conviction on gun crimes it s important because that s a low hanging fruit the evidence was overwhelming uncontroverted and unlike donald trump he had a fair venue and trial judge with real charges not ones that were made up and you didn t even know about the critical development from this trial is a single piece of evidence entered into the official record by your u.s. government and that is hunter bidens laptop not only did the u.s. federal government confirm his laptop is a real they confirmed its contents are real and the contents have not been tampered with by anybody in other words you were lied to on a very high level just before an election by numerous people and entire institutions lied to by hunter biden himself by his father your president joe biden lied to by nbc, cnn msnbc premuch everybody in the media mob the list too long to mention you were lied to by the former intel experts the ones that signed off on a letter insinuating that the laptop was most likely at all the earmarks of russian disinformation meanwhile not a single 1 did anything to investigate the claim examine the contents of the laptop you were lied to by klapper and brennan and by your own government. what do they have in common they all want to joe biden win by any means necessary and it s worse than that according to a report the department of justice new that the laptop was real since before the 2020 election instead of doing the right honorable honest thing telling the american people the truth the federal government was out there debunking laptop story big tech executives in the months leading up to the 2020 election fbi was having weekly meetings warning big tech companies they could be victims of a foreign disinformation campaign about the election and that misinformation might be about joe biden and hunter biden it gets worse they knew his attorney had a copy of the very real laptop they knew the odds were very high it would happen before the election and knew it would likely destroy any chance joe biden had to win the election and they had to act after then your post broke the story on facebook and twitter asked the fbi specifically this is what they were warning about was the laptop misinformation they refused to confirm the truth leaving those companies free to censor very real laptop stories and that is what they did. you couldn t even send a private message with a link to the new york post. big tech, the media mob happily gobbled up there fbi doj pro biden contribution misinformation by the way if it was an alvin braggs district they probably wouldn t be charged in the used as a basis to censor the most important information in the final weeks before the 2020 presidential election all because they wanted their guy to win it s beyond egregious intellection interference and frankly if it s not criminal, it should be criminal tonight none of the is liars having an ounce of remorse none of any regret for them it was a means to an end wanting trump out joe biden protected by scandal little cost and you better believe the content so that laptop were and are today damning for joe biden as well as hunter biden with the salacious photos of drug use in prostitution the real scandal is around the biden brand for look at the laptop and other information by the house we means committee the judiciary committee house oversight committee look at texts and e-mails and other files. as their raking in cash from top geopolitical foes and dictators and despots around the world because of keen intellect instead the laptop appears to show it was likely selling access to the biden brand and the big guy was apparently eager to participate in spite of publicly claims and otherwise indicates his own father numerous times in the very real laptop. these people also debunked of the joel ayayi never once not 1 time ever spoke to his son or brother or anybody for that matter about foreign business dealings according to testimony from the house oversight committee he participated in meetings with his foreign partners by phone dying with others at a café and that s not all 2017 you might recall the west it whatsapp message published where hunter wrote to a chinese business associate with their energy and oil conglomerate i am sitting here with my father and i d like to understand why the commitment wasn t fulfilled. i will make certain between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows in my ability to hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction i am sitting here waiting for the call with my father. 2 days later magically according to committee $5 million way to a bank account associated with hunter biden and other texts and e-mails he allegedly talked about forking over half of his income to pops another e-mail talks about the big guy 10% for him allocating it as a cut in on 1 of his deals the hunter now convicted liars says he never intended to cut his father in on the deal according to a text uncovered by the new york post hunter paid for his dad s bills for more than a decade reportedly claiming his father was using it most lines of credit on his wells fargo account based on the contents of his real laptop it appears biden was participating in his son s business deals while also benefiting financially remember the testimony from his mane to business partner said joe biden participated in up to around 20 phone calls 40 never talk to business with hunter or his brother or anybody think about this donald trump was convicted on 34 felony charges of up charged misdemeanors passed the statute of limitations for mislabelling illegal for documents as illegal for expense trump ordered to pay hundreds of millions of dollars based on a far left new york judge unilaterally deciding in spite of evidence to the contrary that his estates only worth $4 million $20 million or 1 20th vacant lots go for $150 million and that s just dirt and yet nobody is above the law cult on the left they don t seem to care that joe biden now the president of our country was possibly selling access to the highest levels of the government and calyx in russia this is the reference they had for 4 years as according to neeson investigation he received $1.3 million from the wife of the former mayor of moscow former first lady of moscow if reports are true and evidence is accurate money went from russia to hunter to joe 1 way or another as devon archer saying they invested more than a real estate venture based on coverage fake news cnn the new york times washington post cbs they had no problem peddling the phony russian misinformation do dirty dossier they paid for to secure trump not 1 but 4 pfizer warrants where is their coverage of the events of the real laptop and the findings from the senate and house committees is joe biden about the law is hunter s current condition over a red herring 1 of his associates told him the gun trail was a distraction from the main event with their influence peddling he continued that i am convinced the entire justice system is an institution of people within agendas not in institutional flaws keep in mind the department of justice prosecutor tasked with investigating them let the statute of limitations ran out on the most serious allegations which could ve connected his business to the big guy himself sadly the department of justice isn t looking out for you. their primary concern revolves around protecting week democrats from scrutiny helping to elect joe biden while waging law fear against donald trump and needless to say massive reform and accountability as needed in washington and in the swamp by the weight starting in september early voting begins in 146 days election day only you can fix it reaction is jonathan turley we ve gone over the case evidence was overwhelming and incontrovertible about the real big story to me which is now we know they ve known from the beginning the laptop was real all these people why glide the intel agents the direction of antony blinken they all lied. joe biden light hunter biden lied and alvin bragg recall an ftc violation i think. has us what they gave the laptop at the trial date had it established by the fbi agent is real authentic and so the media said the evidence was now used they forget all the other files on the laptop the laptop is authentic at the files are real then you have these detailed accounts of a multimillion dollar influence peddling operation run by the biden family also being authentic but the media doesn t want to go there and that s part of the problem of what the house committees have faced when i testified in the biden impeachment hearing i said there was evidence to do up impeachment inquiry i didn t prejudge the evidence but at every stage democrats have opposed inquiries into the president s role or knowledge and allotted these files in the laptop that s not likely to change even after this trial. sean: merrick garland to scorching donald trump and his allies for attacks on the justice department sing it s dangerous for people safety. first of all we need to protect every government official let me be clear of said on numerous occasions on this show but criticism and freedom of speech are different in the idea that his department of justice and his fbi knew about the laptop being real and they investigated it for 4 years i ve a message for him he has a lot of explaining to do just like what does he think of james and bragg running on a platform to get 1 man 1 organization and 1 family i thank you might speak out against that but he hasn t. i think a garland has a unavoidable test of principal they sent him referrals of perjury by biden and his uncle before that those referrals are compelling i don t see others a case to be made that answers were anything but falls now they were a hairtrigger to identify indict trump officials the question is whether merrick garland will scuttle any prosecution for perjury so this is the other shoe dropping. yes the laptop was authenticated these files are real but after that hunter biden reviewing those files testified in congress in congress believes and has a good basis for the belief that he committed knowing perjury these are questions he knew were coming and he gave false answers according to the committees so what will merrick garland do about it it s time not time to write another op-ed it s time to show that. sean: he will do nothing. i haven t been around yet i hope you re right and i m wrong. i don t think he will lift a finger i think this is what weaponization a justice looks like. i hope you re wrong to. i hope so too but i m not. you can give me an ffm wrong. joining us now we have great jur and alan. john solomon and editor-in-chief as well john let me start with the news you broke a lot of this news when did they know it was a real laptop is that the big take away in the story not the conviction. is reported in 2020 which is now been confirmed the fbi corroborated its laptop in entirety by 2020. 8 months before the so-called intelligence analysts called it russian disinformation when they did that i called law enforcement and they said no, we corroborated so the fbi was telling people if you are willing to make a phone call in fall 2020 that the laptop was real and it s a shame 51 men and women sign their names trying to mislead the american people days before an election they all had serious click their security clearances the could recall the fbi they chose not to instead misleading american people in the most awful way. sean: why was the fbi why were they meeting weekly with a big check in the months leading up to the 2020 election and why when twitter and facebook requested an answer as to whether or not the story was real and what they were being warned about misinformation about hunter and joe biden went they tell them the truth that john solomon reported in march of 2020 and what you called. you call it fraud exactly what he charged trump with that is making false statements in an attempt to influence an election there only 2 choices if the constitution will survive. you can say okay there s been a conviction of biden in a conviction a trump let s stop this weaponization let s call if all these cases happening all over the country. drum people are going off to jail stays being denied let s call that off either that or let s have absolutely equal treatment go after people who have committed election fraud by denying the american public the right to know the truth about everything. would that include the 51 intel people and joe biden. sean: is it comparable that joe biden if he lied to the american people in these follow foreign business deals and he is being paid by hunter and he was calling in with his business partners any light levied that money and they continue to get paid millions for a job he had no experience at a time emit admits he was addicted to drugs tell me why that shouldn t be prosecuted and how is that lost their. that sounds like equal justice applied to him it doesn t sound like i made up try like the trump case. if you take seriously the charges that alvin bragg brought against trump 1 of which is that he tried to mislead the voting public by not telling them and about to an affair which probably wouldn t have had an effect on the election you take that to its logical extreme and then you have to look and see whether anybody among the 51 people among even the president of the united states may have written something on a form that we give rise to exactly the same allegations that a fraudulent statement was made in order to commit a crime. the crime would be according to break somehow to the fraud you making people to vote for somebody they otherwise wouldn t vote for you have to have a standard. sean: going to the issue of the money as he implicates his real father half the income goes to the pops of the big guy that s on the laptop which is very real now paying for his home repairs the hunter complained bitterly about seems like jonah only lied to the american people but benefited from the lie and also took action as vice president leveraging a billion dollars to ukraine in loan guarantees and as a net result he could continue to get paid for work he had no experience in by his own admission at a time he was addicted to drugs by his own admission. your right the biden s are still getting their way with the most serious suspected crimes corrupt foreign influence peddling thanks to the protection racket run by a biden s ga doj. it s revolting to watch them take a victory lap in front of cameras this is a guy who struck the sleazy deal to let hunter biden skate only when it imploded was he forced kicking and screaming to prosecuted but he still running interference charging him with evading taxes on tens of millions and oversee it schemes but not not the enrichment schemes themselves which are bigger crimes the selling out of america. it was weiss remember let statute of limitations expired many of those crimes while they secretly scuttled the investigation to shield joe biden i tell you he s not done yet don t be surprised if him and garland conjure up another sweetheart plea deal on the eve of the trial to avoid embarrassing evidence of joe s corruption coming to light right before the upcoming election it will happen. i agreed that. sean: they knew about the laptop 4 years they haven t lifted a finger. they knew july to the country they knew he benefited financially didn t think. yep and in 2016 they got 3.3 million documents from business partners. on monday you will see a whole bunch of the documents public the fbi had them in 2016. unbelievable thank you all and i appreciate it that s my big take away when we come back talking about bad timing he spoke to a gun safety group hours after his conviction we have reactions straight ahead. sean: talking about bad timing after the guilty verdict the white house canceled the daily press briefing adding there to be with family. not before joe had to give a speech to a gun-control group has read after they were convicted for gun crimes he said that he spent much of a speech going after law-abiding gun owners and donald trump in fact the only hunter joe mentioned was when he met campaigning in delaware decades ago may be an uncle bo s the moment the cannibal guy take a look as we aren t stopping there. it is time once again to do what i did when i was assigned to and senator he said what you mean i need that done i said if you need 12 to 100 bullets in a magazine you are the lousy a shot i ve ever heard we told the convention recently proud i did nothing on guns when i was president and that by doing nothing he made the situation considerably worse give me a break. i mean it seriously. and by the way there talking that they need at 15 they don t need a rifle folks this is crazy what they re talking about biden and obama did nothing about gun violence in chicago in big cities here with reaction to the big news the new york post and former attorney general pam bondi. the laptop from hell as you guys were right as the verdict it was the right verdict evidence overwhelming bigger story is introducing that laptop into evidence and all the other contents in that laptop are now meaningful as it relates to the law joe and hunter biden do you agree? absolutely in the fact joe biden, the biden campaign the cia the fbi those 51 former intelligence officials went to such lengths to lie about the back laptop as we wrote about the laptop and the contents of it it shows they were absolutely terrified of about the contents of the laptop as they knew it would be so damaging to joe biden that would wreck the campaign has it they managed to suppress the story and as you said earlier as that s why none of those they all refuse to admit they lied and they knew it wasn t russian information disinformation they had the laptop since december to 19 well-known within the intelligence community has that information was real if they admit they knew it wasn t disinformation it was a part of an election interference and acute to ensure the president donald trump didn t learn this when a second term. it came down to this now that we know all of this we also know that merrick garland the doj, the fbi they have all known this for about 4 years. a lot of information, a damning information on the laptop implicating joe hunter and the brother and all these other people they haven t done a thing if this evidence. but she reaction to this that s the bigger story for me here. i m glad they got a conviction on this because they can use the gun conviction and the tax charge. the only thing left against hunter biden because the case in 2014 and 2015 have the statute of limitations they let it run about dealing with foreign agents the case that could most likely implicate joe biden and the entire biden family they let those run. but now they are faced with the tax charges let s see what happens let s see if there is not a plea deal i think there will be at this point because of the conviction everyone now knows the laptop from hell as she said his real and everything on israel including an evidence that could be great for prosecutors. sean: what about garland as what about leveraging a billion dollars so his son continues to get paid what about the money they are getting from an oligarch and what about the millions of dollars the families raking and they have no experience in energy as i was he making the money well addicted to drugs? remember president trump had that single question as they impeach it over it of course right all along as it was the talk about weaponization at the fbi and cia and it all starts at the top with merrick garland having to respond to this being held accountable being way too important for the american people and the justice system is at stake. sean: maybe now yearbook a laptop from hell can be a bestseller and people look a little more deeply as they have confirmed way back when. thank you straight ahead merrick garland attacking republicans for daring to question the law fair against trump warned that straight ahead raising twins and as a single mother, presented, quite a few challenges. the financial aspects of oh my gosh, how am i going to provide for my family? i m going to have to get two jobs. thomas kennedy, he was a major in the u.s. army. tom loved hockey. he went to west point, to play hockey. and ended up falling in love with the 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no time spinning in the verdict with some saying the justice system is rigged against conservatives. they called out republicans for daring to question are blatantly weapon eyes department of justice going so far to say they are dangerous for people safety let us be clear as we are consistently on the program as freedom of speech exists. as they are not immune from having to answer questions do they think it was appropriate for the trump hating new york attorney general and running on this platform take a look. with the fundamental rights at stake. i leave the president of the united states can be indicted for criminal offences. you know my name for personally. we need to focus on donald trump and his abuses and follow the money we need to find ways laundered money find it whether he s engaged in conspiracy. it s important they understand the days of donald trump are coming to an end. i look forward to coming into the office of attorney general every day defending rights and then going home and apply for neglect or 1 man and 1 family or is merrick garland who thinks it was appropriate for alvin braggs to run on this campaign promise. people are wondering whoever has this job are they going to convict donald trump that he is the number 1 issue. the times calls bragg at talented prosecutors suit of the trump foundation could be invaluable experience for the investigation he will take over. the chief deputy attorney general i saw some of the office biggest cases from exposing illegal behavior from the trump foundation. we know there s an investigation i have investigated him and his children and held them accountable for misconduct with the trump foundation also suiting that more than 100 times we know the da investigating trump when i was in the ag office i sued him over 100 times for misconduct and brought a case against the trump foundation. sean: 1 more question according to whistleblower testimony fbi didn t know since late 2019 the laptop was real so why hasn t merrick garland weapon eyes politicize department of justice investigated the contents of the real laptop why was the fbi meeting with big tech companies warning them they would be targeted for misinformation campaigns and they might be about joe and hunter biden after the new york times story broke that was real why didn t the fbi confirm what they knew to be true that it was real as we have rnc cochair laura trump. they knew it was real garland knew it was real now that we all know it was real we know that joel lida at the highest level and he was involved in all these foreign business deals in the millions of dollars they raked in including taking direct action by withholding money so a prosecutor investigating the company s sun was in business with paying him millions with no experience continuing to pay them millions. all of this is true and garland hasn t lifted a finger with you or eric or what they would go after they go after all of you. when in doubt which is no model that they ve always had its credible as it complained as with a bias justice system. should be concerning because he s the attorney general of the united states we can t live in a country if we do not trust our foundational institutions like this as everybody knows what the trial of hunter biden was about it s about smoke and mirrors or red herring a distraction and as we need to know as american citizens as president of the united states is making decisions for the country as they made decisions based on what s best for the american people and not what s best for the bank account for the family as they should really question what s going on as of the whole thing is well for me to watch when they go back into a 6 seen as with real estate and golf courses around the world in international business originally what did we do when they won they wouldn t do any new international business deals the opposite happened when joe biden became vice president to the united states that s when the biden family got into international business we went so far as to pay back the u.s. treasury every penny that we got from any foreign dignitary that spent money at a trump property we got no credit for that we didn t want the faintest hint of impropriety and look at the way they ve gone after donald trump for anything they could find. they have a treasure trove with this laptop the american people are demanding transparency again it s about national security we deserve to know and i want to tell people out there how you can actually make a difference, how you can rectify this it comes november 5th of this year coming the first day of early voting in your state get out and vote in this election our country depends on it the future of america depends on it we can t allow those things to stand we need to get to the bottom of this we need to save the country but you have to get out and vote. sean: early voting starts in september. in september in some states i hope people keep that in mind get over your reluctance and resistance to voting early i know you re working hard on legal ballot harvesting to surpass democratic efforts but if you want to change it garland isn t going to change these weapon eyes that the department of justice and it will remain that way probably getting worse if it was reelected. thank you. will become back of the biden campaign flailing the left is resorting to scare tactics weight till you hear what aoc and rachel maddow had to say with their tinfoil hats. straight ahead men tell us when they use just for men® to eliminate gray, there s a great “before and after”. then, there s the after the after that boost you get when you look and feel your best. and that s why more men choose just for men®. weathertech products are designed and manufactured in america using only american raw materials. most competitors make things seven thousand miles away. and then wonder why they don t fit. with weathertech in your vehicle you may hear angels singing as you 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[sfx] ambient / laughing. sean: with the biden campaign floundering there resorting to fear tactics over a possible trump second term during an interview with fake cnn with rachel maddow the conspiracy theorist made the claim that donald trump could try to put her in other left-wing media personalities into massive camps. aoc says she s worried trump would throw her in jail take a look. if donald trump wins we are looking at potential dissolution of democracy in the united states of america it sounds nuts but i wouldn t be surprised if the guy for me in jail. he s out of his mind. he did his whole first campaign around lock her up that was his motto. sean: pretty ironic coming from the left and those are the people who have no problem using law fair against trump and conservatives or republicans the same people had no problem keeping trump off the ballot joining us now kristi noem. honey and think he even knows who rachel maddow is how they lost their mind out of fear of the biden campaign is floundering these ladies are insane the things they are saying and it proves once again the left would use fear to control people they ll use it to promote their agenda been clear that is only revenge she will get november 5th is america s success all he wants is america to be great again and successful people to have more money in their pockets and families to be able to afford groceries and fill their cars with gas he s been clear he wants america to be all that it s ever been on its greatest days. for him to say that stuff is so completely responsible that i hope every american gets a chance to hear them say that when they know for a fact is not true and they are saying it just to scare them and they are saying it to control them as many as 8 people who might have isis ties captured at the border tens of thousands from russia iran syria afghanistan yemen kazakhstan on the economy, 2 thirds of the middle class say they are struggling financially gasping for air adding to the within 25% of americans admitting to skipping meals because of a skyrocketing grocery cost they are paying those are the things americans are caring about democrats lie and tell us everything is fine at the end of the day will that be what america votes on. that s what every american that i ve talked to in the last 6-7 months the only thing on their mind at the top of their mind how is my family being impacted by the biden administration they feel it every day just got back from a sconce and spent days there talking to folks independence in women talking to different groups we ll be in michigan as well these are states where people are making at their mind for donald trump because they know he makes our life better and they have personal responsibility for their families doesn t want to take more money out of their pockets he wants him to be more successful the economy and inflation are still big issues in the country and the biden administration attacking donald trump because that s the only thing the left has they have fears and attacks taxable weapon eyes to judicial system. 1 of the reasons the red wave didn t happen in 2022 is abortion rate. will americans biggest democrats will demagogue that will be successful? they will try to use that in every single stage and use it against donald trump and against his supporters what is important for us is to recognize that issue people know where they are at. as that s the way it is. people decide what their laws look like and we as leaders don t get to dictate that. no matter how may times they have lied about it they can t run on it. thank you. where hannity straight ahead there are many ways to do things. at old dominion freight line, we do them this way. this way has people who start early. people who care and inspire each other to do things the way they should be done. this way uses technology ( ) and goes the extra mile ( ) to deliver your promises on-time, every time. this way is why we re the number one national ltl carrier for quality. for us, this way is the right way which is why it s the only way we go. 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bars in clark county. you have potential victory is lying in those sales at least for now. i want to i guess is it makes a huge difference night, i step toward voters like elliot carver hall having their voices heard, it felt a little bit of empowerment, a little slow, a little tiny bit sara marie joins us now from las vegas. so this is the first time he s running boost had been used. how did the process go? it went pretty smoothly, although there were voters who showed up to vote and found out they were actually registered in a different county or in some cases, in a different state, which is negating the education gap that still exist for those who are behind bars. there were dozens of folks who wanted to vote from the jail today and we expect that that s going to number is going to be even longer when we get to the general election in november. this was sort of a dry run for the big event coming up, anderson be interesting to do polling and see if they re running for it? sir, maria, thanks so much in news continues. the source of kaitlan collins starts now i m kaitlin collins. welcome to the source tonight. president biden wasn t scheduled to be back home in wilmington or what happened? inside the delaware courtroom earlier, abruptly changed his plants is only surviving son, hunter biden was convicted on all three felony gun charges just that he was facing today. hours later, hunter biden was standing on the tarmac, as you can see here, to greet his father when marine one landed in delaware it was striking to see the two of them embrace for the first time since that guilty verdict came down. in his only comment so far on the matter, president biden said, in part in his statement i am the president, but i am also a dad because he also praised his son for overcoming a battle with drug addiction. but this conviction also comes in the middle of a presidential election. there was also a message tonight and biden statement regarding his role as president he said that he will accept the outcome of this case, that he does accepted and they also respect the judicial process, seeming to reiterate a promise that he made last week that he won t part in. hunter biden but as biden balances both being an english parent and president in-between the verdict and that we re union that you just saw there on the tarmac. he also gave a speech on gun safety in washington it s time once again, do what i did when i was a senator, ban assault weapons before that speech, that was preplanned. i should note before the verdict came down this morning, it was in the delaware courtroom where the jury s decision on hunter biden was unanimous, guilty but notably three jurors told cnn after that they question whether or not these charges should have been brought at all a fourth, that was known to only us as juror number ten, said no politics were at play when they were deliberating their decision pressure, inviting never really even came in to play for me. you kinda put that out of your mind. politics was not even spoken about the first family was not even spoken about. it was all it was all about hunter and of course, as we know it, as far from over for hunter biden, he is facing sentencing on the gun conviction that is going to come at the height of the general presidential election and another potentially even more serious trial on tax charges. this fall. few people know more about the personal toll that this is taken on president biden than my source tonight. evan owls knows is one of the country s foremost biden biographers and a cnn contributor. he is the author of joe biden, their life, the run and what matters now and having joins me now, i mean, there s basically no precedent for what we are seeing right now. a president s a sitting president s immediate family member has never been convicted on any kind of crime while they were in office. and i just wonder what you make of it, what stood out to you have how president biden reacted today? yeah, it is something extraordinary to see. i mean, he is balancing these two distinct roles as father and as president and on some level, this combination of private life and public life has been at the center of his relationship with hunter since hunter was a baby after all you remember, of course, his mother was killed in that car accident when he was a toddler, joe biden at that point was between being elected and being sworn into the senate his hunters entire life has been in some ways straddling the struggles, the privileges, the choices, the risks that come with that. and i think of this tonight is a moment in some ways, it s part of this long arc, this really sort of epic american political story. yeah. i mean, the family seemed surprised when this came down today. it did it happened relatively quickly. hunter biden himself is not even at the courthouse today and you saw them them rushing back in there and including the first lady, jill biden. but after we didn t see any of this anguish or they re real response in front of the cameras. at least we saw the embracing the tarmac what do you think it s like behind closed doors and wilmington tonight? yeah. they ve got abundant experience of tragedy on some level, and tragedy is not to be exculpatory here when nobody and least of all, joe biden is saying that hunter biden didn t make choices that lead to this result. but they have also learned over the years about how you get through this. they turn inward. they have this. it s not a coincidence that they re going to wilmington for this. that s sort of the ancestral homeland and they go there and they meet as a family. they have these traditions of these family meetings and the line that you often hear in politics from biden is that through pain you have to find purpose. it can sound like it s a line, except that for him, it is at the core of how he gets through this. and i can tell you that is no question what he is telling the other members of his family that if we re going to get through this part of our purpose is to demonstrate that nobody is above the law that a president does not interfere in the activity because of the court that a jury can still find its way to a result even in a time of intense partisanship, you ve spent a lot of time with biden. i and his family as you are writing your book, did you ever think that you d see a day like today? i ll be frank. no, i think when i first started interviewing joe biden back in 2014, a decade ago, beau biden was alive. it was actually kind of a hopeful moment in the course of his treatment. they thought that they might have had some good news. and in so many ways, this story, the one we are inhabiting today is the result of beau biden s death in 2015. it was like a bomb that went off in that family and i have to say one of the things we learned from this trial and it really was a revelation even to people who know the family well was the depth to which the impact of addiction rippled all the way through hallie biden, as we heard, of course, also ended up involved with crack cocaine. it was just a a period of his life and i think as as political observers, we study president s not only because it helps us understand the choices they in make the pressures that they re under. but it s also a reflection of ourselves, of our country and our time and what this family was going through between 2015 and 2021 and all toya all the way up to today is in itself a very american story as someone who studies biden. i mean, what is it? what did you take away from? they already had this pre-planned event on gun safety at the white house, which i think a lot of people were thinking to themselves. i mean, the timing here is unbelievable, but he came out, he didn t give the full speech. she actually was going to talk about a new gun restrictions that the doj has enacted what that has resulted in. he did not he spoke about it more broadly. his speech that had been previously planned, but he didn t seem to give anything away. i don t want i saw that speech. yeah, not a word. i think there s a way that he has drawn this bright line between what s happening with the family and what s happening in politics. and it can almost look, i think a little awkward because people are expecting him to talk about this thing in his life. but he is so concerned that it will be turned into a talking point by his opponent that i think he s almost going out of his way not to talk about well, i wonder how, how does a way on him when he hears three jurors who told cnn obviously they voted. this was unanimous. they voted to convict, but they were asking themselves if this would have been brought it all had he not been a hunter biden. that s been a fact for awhile. i mean, joe biden is said to have told people around him that he knows that had he not continued on in politics, that his son might not be facing the charges that must really weigh on it. i think to tap that i think it s a very heavy burden and look the joe biden s decision to be in public life as long as he has has added to the pressure on hunter biden, joe biden has always known for a long time that the gene of addiction, which is in this family is in hunter biden his life and by staying in politics, by being is exposed as they are in some ways, it has put pressures on hunter biden, and i do think that weighs on the president. and obviously officers coming in the middle of the election year, we will talk in a second about how republicans are handling this. but how does biden handle this at the debate? i don t think anyone thinks it s gonna have a huge impact on the election, but we ll see, but how does he handle it for the debate trump, who of course, at the last debate brought up a hunter biden. i think in the broader sense, there is a way in which this adds to the psychic load of what he is contending with. i mean, if you think about the middle please do you think about the us and now of course, within his own family, actually though as a pro, as a political matter and in the debate that s actually an area where joe biden knows how to handle this. you remember in 2020 there was a moment when he essentially telegraph very clearly back-off. i love my son and actually, and the data in the campaign was clear about this. that was a moment that americans responded to. i think there is some piece of the public that says we want to see not only that president, but also that dad. yeah. everyone else and it s great to have you on this. thank you for joining us. pleasure. of course, as i mentioned, the fallout from this verdict is already happening in a fast and furious way from capitol hill all the way to mar-a-lago. tonight, joining us here also, andrew mccabe, the former fbi deputy director and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, ashley allison, scene and political commentator and the former coalitions director for the 2020 biden campaign. and also david urban, cnn, senior political commentator and former trump campaign adviser. so we really got the entire gamut here. and andrew mccabe. but let me start with you because we did hear from the special counsel, david weiss today, someone we have not heard from very often in this case, he came out and spoke after the guilty verdict no one in this country is above the law everyone must be accountable for their actions. even this defendant however hunter biden, should be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct obviously, andrew mccabe, a hunter biden s legal team has made clear they re going to challenge this, but this is not the end of the legal exposure. legal troubles front or biden. he s got another case pending this november or this fall yeah katelyn, he s not out of the woods by a long shot. the case that he has coming up in september on the tax charges very serious case, and it s one that on its own brings the threat of much more extensive potential jail time. now, of course, they ll go into that case, having already been convicted of another felony, so he s no longer considered a first-time offender in the resolution of the tax case, which could make his penalties if he s convicted even more intense okay. so you do believe age or became that it would it could impact the outcome of the case potentially yeah, there s no question. he goes into that case now is having been recently convicted of another totally unrelated offense. so that s not a good thing for him. i think it was interesting that weiss made those comments about the fact that hunter biden should not be held more accountable than anybody else there s no question that this the trial was conducted in the way you would expect to see any criminal trial conducted. the prosecutors had an overwhelming amount of evidence. their case went in very smoothly. the defense had a very, very limited range of motion to work with here, trying to get the jury to basically thread the eye of a needle and focus on the fact that hunter allegedly wasn t taking drugs the day he bought the gun that was kind of a hail mary pass and obviously didn t work for them. all of that aside, despite the validity of this jury verdict, i think mr. weiss is going to have some really tough questions to answer in the long run about the broader decisions that he made along this path. why he offered such a favorable plea deal that he then walked away from and wouldn t give back to the defendant once when he asked her that initially. so there s a lot of questions about why hunter biden was held to this standard. maybe prosecuted in a way that most other defendants who might be who were allegedly involved in similar conduct would not have been held to the same standard. those questions are still i think hanging out there for me. yeah, weiss, it we don t often see a case like this broad as we ve noted and looked at the historical context david, can we talk about how the trump campaign responded to this day? because obviously republicans talk about hunter biden a lot, but this i noticed this today with the trump campaign where they first released a version of the state of a statement on what happened criticizing biden, criticizing his family, essentially saying that hunter biden should have been charged with with other things. but at the end, on the initial statement, they said, quote, as for hunter, we wish him well, in his recovery and legal affairs okay. but then they retracted that and put out another one striking that last line and no longer wishing him well and then resending the statement all together. what do you make of that? well well, kaitlan, i like i like the first version better, right? obviously, nobody wants to see anybody languish in an addiction and spiral downward any more than they already have been. and is well chronicled on the laptop and is andrew pointed out correctly, september 5, hunter biden stands trial. again on these tax charges, which is what are much more serious, they re seven charges, i think three felonies and for misdemeanor charges, he is facing for not paying over $1,000,000.5 in taxes over a five-year period on $7,000,000 earned and so he s he s in for, some rough sledding ahead and two, your earlier get to evan s point earlier, it s going to be right in the middle of that campaign, september 5th. and it was kinda right when people are getting ramped up in campaign season. and that s gonna be weighing heavily on joe biden mind, he is not campaigning and it s going to be in the news every day is american goods are contemplating what they re gonna do. i don t think it s going to have a positive impact on who votes for whom, but people republicans are going to point back to the laptop and the 50 plus national security individuals who said the laptop was rushing russian interference camp the pain and it wasn t real. and in this case, the laptop with the fbi said laptop was real. israel could be so it s going to provide a bunch of fodder for the campaigns. for the republican campaign moving forward. yeah. i just wanted to when we ve had any of those officials who ve signed that letter, james clapper, brennan, we ve talked to them about putting their name on that and what not but ashley, in the sense of this of what we re hearing from republicans and then struggling to kind respond to this. some of them are saying that they believe that conviction is kind of dumb in the words of one of them. in other situations they ve been arguing there was this two-tiered system of justice, but, but i mean the president s son was just convicted by his justice department yeah. i mean, it s interesting to see republicans contort themselves in certain moments to make the story work for them. downtown was prosecuted. will the state a state-level charge not joe biden, they blamed joe biden now, hunter hunter biden. joe biden s son is prosecuted by the department of justice, who joe biden are president nominated attorney general, and they still are not satisfied i love i think at the end of the day, i agree with david in terms of there will be another case that hunter biden and involved in. and i do not think that these outcomes of the case particularly related to joe biden, son joe biden, like donald trump, but joe biden s son will be determined them on how voters actually the decide to vote in the fall. but what i do get allows an opportunity to do is to draw a contrast. yet again, on how the two 21 former president, one current president, who both our fathers approach the situation, talk about the situation, handled it with compassion or lack of compassion, handle it with honesty. and i think that will be in there ll be opportunity hey, this fall to see the state contrast how one side handles it versus the other. well, and we heard from the house speaker mike johnson on this listen to what he told manu raju today. david mr. speaker, you ve been saying two-tier system of justice for some time. here s the president sayyed being convicted on three counts as that undercut your it doesn t every case is different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here i don t think that s the case and the trump trials and all the charges because it had been brought against that have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden is a separate instance okay. but david, is that really i mean, it does undercut the claims that it s a two tiered system what it does, it look, everyone s saying, look, two things can be true here, right? people are saying, oh, this wouldn t have been brought if hunter biden wasn t joe biden? in sun, but yet nobody is saying that same thing, right? except maybe for fareed zakaria, that nobody would have brought the case against donald trump if you weren t his name work donald trump so possibly both those things are true in this and these both cases, and i think that s what s getting republicans goats here. andrew mccabe, can i just get your thought on this? i mean, you were the deputy director vector of the fbi. how do you view this in the sense of, you the rule of law and justice system overall and how that is. but this new political weapon at the center of everything caitlin, i spent my entire professional life in it. the justice system in this country is not perfect. it s got a lot of flaws, but it is not two tiered. i have also seen that people who have outcomes, they don t like, generally don t like the system. and people who have favorable outcomes, they like it this politics aside, that s basically what shapes people s opinions i guess the speaker believes that his own judgments about the quality of evidence in each individual prosecution, which he admits they re all very different, his own judgment about those things should supersede the decisions of judges and juries. i disagree with that but i guess we ll just have to leave it there and i should note figure johnson was not actually in the courtroom. we were listening to all of that evidence, of course, andrey cave, ashley, i ll send david urban great to have you all talking about this, breaking it down with us tonight. thanks thanks for having me. i head, stop the steal flags and now the wife of the supreme court justice samuel alito is condemning the pride flag and more lots of flag talk. it s all in tape will let you listen to it in a moment also for her republican house speaker unloading on former president donald trump tonight, holding nothing back truly he is a populist. he s not a conservative this populism is untethered to principles presidents, the former under our leadership, the forgotten man and woman, will be forgotten. he no longer the current typography is still a sacred qarrah. there s no country in the world better positioned to lead the world on who will be the next, the most anticipated? they did moment of this election, the weight only cnn can bring it to you moderated by jake tapper and dana bash to cnn presidential debates thursday, june 27, unknown live on cnn and streaming on max start your 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years. well obviously the meeting itself isn t surprising. mitch mcconnell meeting with trump really isn t surprising. he s a political animal at his core. i mean, he s a he does some honorable things like the support for ukraine and stuff like that, but he s made it clear from the very beginning that he will support the republican nominee money i wish he wouldn t because, i mean, obviously, he could stay away. he could not say anything at all. and it s pretty obvious he s not going to be there in a number of years. so why not go out with the legacy? so it s too bad, but like i said, i m not surprised at all well, i mean, it s essentially the opposite of what we are hearing from paul ryan. he said is now voting for trump. he s going to write someone and he did that in 2020. so it s not a surprise. but this is what he said to neil cavuto about why he can t bring himself to vote for donald trump i think it really is just character at the another day and the fact that if you re willing to put yourself about the constitution and oath new or swear when you take office in federal office where there s president, remember? for congress, you swear an oath to the constitution. and if we re willing to suborn, it to yourself, i think that makes you unfit for office why do you think that other republicans more republicans who feel the same way, paul ryan does, don t say it i don t know when i wish they did. i mean, i look, there s reality that members of congress and former members of congress, particularly, or ones that are leaving don t want to make the party mad because they can go make a bunch of money lobbying after that. and so a lot of them stay quiet, which is why people asked me how can somebody that s leaving stays quiet? you don t want to tick off the party. i m very proud of paul ryan for saying that because he could have stayed silent. he could have not said anything, but he made a very clear, concise case for why he he s unqualified and on the point about the constitution law, caitlin when i swore in to congress, i did not take enough to my district. i didn t take an oath to the 700,000 people i represented. i took an oath to the constitution of the united states. that is the most important thing more than any issue. we re than any tax rate. the most important thing is, are we going to uphold these basic principles because democracy can t survive if you don t. so i think paul the speaker, made a very compelling case. he did it in front of an audience that didn t want to hear that. and i hope he says it more. it didn t talk about people though who are political animals that are interested in keeping their jobs on capitol hill. i mean, i think they look at this in a cynical way and say, okay, well, if i say what paul brian s out there saying, look at paul ryan, he s no longer in washington. he is no longer the house speaker. he left he s out why would i take that route if that s going to portend my fate? yeah. and let s look, it s true. you will be kicked out. the question is of conscience what is most important to you, a title, an identity. i mean, those are powerful things where you re conscience or your country, or the legacy that you leave. and so these people look at him, they ll look at, you know, liz cheney and i this is what a colt does by the way, it takes a few people that are out of line that don t swear fealty to the leader. they kick him out they politically execute them, and it sends a message to everybody else, don t get out of line. and that s why over the last eight years, we ve seen increasing, not just loyalty to trump but increasingly members of congress, for instance unwilling to go outside, criticized him for anything unwilling to go outside of what other whatever his daily orthodoxy is, which has nothing to do with conservatism and look, it s really just a question of conscience i m glad you said that about conservatism because this is what paul ryan s essential take was on what trump has done to the republican party. obviously, your lifelong republican, this is what he said also today i m a conservative republican. he is a populist. he s not a conservative. i want to see someone who s, who has fidelity to principles. i would prefer a party that is based on principles not personality or populism this populism is untethered to principles, but is that the future of the republican party mean that is the direction it seems to be moving in more and more look it depends how far in the future i think in a year, yet still that party i think if you fast forward ten years, i believe there s not going to be a person on this planet alive that will ever admit they support it and donald trump, because i think look, if he loses, obviously he s a loser once again. and that has a way of basically waking people up in a movement or in a political party, even if he wins, he s president for four years. very few presidents come out of that more popular than they went in america will be exhausted of 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high court, a surreptitious audio recording of the justice samuel alito and his wife, martha. and it was captured by a liberal activists who posed as a sympathetic, sympathetic supporter. and like-minded admirer i want sacred heart of jesus because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly and he s like, oh, please don t put a flag. i can i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense get up and i m going to send them a message every day this audio of course, coming to light after the new york times first reported on two flags that were flown on alito properties including an upside down american flag, which became the symbol for the stop the steal movement around january 6, justice alito responded to that in a letter to congress saying that the response to that reporting, blaming his wife for putting those flags up tonight, their neighbor in the alitos house, emily baden, said that she believes that everything that has happened, everything new here on this audio proofs are right absolute horror if there s one thing that is the basic job description of a supreme court justice. it is to remain impartial and with the upside-down flag, with the appeal to heaven flag. samuel alito has shown that he is not impartial here tonight. the vernon jordan chair and civil rights at howard university law school. cheryl, an ipl and it s great to have you here. i should note, we ve heard the full recording. this is just what has been posted online that we can hear but from what we did here i wonder what stood out the most to you and all of this audio that is mostly about martha-ann alito, but also we re from justice alito himself as well yeah. katelyn, i am focused as well on the recording involving the justice himself. justice alito and the parts that i found most disturbing, probably the part that i find most concerning is when the reporter says that we need to return this country to godliness. and he says, yes, i agree with you. i find this to be a very shocking statement coming from a supreme court justice in a democracy like hours, which is not a democracy ruled by a particular religion you know, when john kennedy was asked whether as president his allegiance would be to the catholic church or to the constitution. he said, i swear an oath to the constitution. and that is what will guide my, thinking and my work. as president of the united states. i would ve expected justice alito or any justice on the supreme court to say the same and then similarly, i was very alarmed by his endorsement of the idea that it is impossible to compromise around a set of issues that people feel passionately about. the very nature of the judicial function on an appellate court like the supreme court, is to engage in compromise, to engage in conversation, to find a way towards an answer. justice alito is fond of citing brown versus board of education, which is indeed a magician important decision that changed american democracy. but it was born of compromise to get to a unanimous decision striking down separate but equal required months of work and wrangling. but but ultimately, the court created a unanimous decision because they understood the importance of coming before the country as one speaking to such a volatile issue and what justice alito essentially said was that he concedes he gives into the idea that there are simply things he cannot compromise on and that the two, what he calls the two sides cannot compromise on. and his framing of these decisions as well. winners and losers also suggests something that is, that i think is contrary to how we think about the judicial function. what does it say to you that we haven t heard from justice alito since these recordings were published? well, i d say a few things. kaitlan that i think we should be keeping our eye on. first of all, as, you know, senator durban is going to try to move forward. the senate ethics bill that he and senator whitehouse have put together that s obviously going to be a difficult thing to do, but he s determined to do to it. and when he was asked why he s doing this, pushes it because of the recordings. he said it is not because of the recordings and he said it was because of a financial disclosures and ethic statements. and i would remind everyone that justice thomas issued new disclosures, just a few weeks ago revealing trips from 2019. so quite late. and justice alito sought a 90 day extension, which he was granted so there may be other shoe to drop so we don t know. and i think that justice alito is not going to respond to every drip and drop of the revelations that are coming out. i think he responded last week around recusal from the case because that is imminent. yeah. but i don t think he intends to respond to each of these allegations. we saw him respond to that because they were asking him to recuse himself. he said he didn t fill he didn t think that it met the standard here. but cash you something else though because i m curious as we talk about this is i wonder what you would say to people who listen to this recording in their responses. well, i m uncomfortable or i m skeptical of this because it was someone posing as a conservative supporter or a sympathizer of what the alitos deal with. i wonder what you would say two people who raise questions about that when they listen to these audio recordings yeah. i mean if the questions are about the ethics of recording someone pretending that you are sympathetic to their cause. that is one set of questions that i think are actually not the focus of our concern. i think that the focus is that justice alito was speaking in an environment where he felt very comfortable. he was speaking unreservedly. he had a sounded as though he were speaking quite sincerely as did mrs. alito. and what was also interesting was that it confirmed much of the account that was given to us by the neighbor of the very disturbing account about what was happening winning between them in that community. and even that violates at least as i read it, the court s own code of conduct that they released in november last year in response to pressure that they were getting after the revelations of financial disclosures, many of us have criticized that code but that code does say that adjusted should require similar conduct by those subject to the justices control in terms of harassing behavior and conduct, simply saying it was my wife who hung the flag or it was my wife who was engaged in the altercation by their own standards is not enough so we learned a lot from that recording that i think is important, and we ll be watching closely for the disclosure as well. cheryl, an i fold great to have you. thank you thank you. caitlin. and i should note that tonight on laura coates live, you will hear new audio of justice samuel alito. it comes from the person that we were just talking about, those recorded this the liberal activists, 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debate, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max breaking news as cnn can now project that republican congress amend nancy mace will win her south carolina primary tonight former house speaker kevin mccarthy tried to take her down by supporting one of her challengers after mace and seven other other republicans voted to oust mccarthy from the speakership last year. his revenge tour, not playing out though necessarily as he predicted. if you ve watched her, just her philosophy and the flip-flopping yeah. i don t believe she went through election cnn s senior political data reporter harrington is here as these primary results are coming in, not just in south carolina, but also across the country. and obviously, the mace race was interesting because she had kind of didn t hesitate to criticize trump previously, especially after january 6, that all changed as she was facing this challenge. listen to what she said in her acceptance speech tonight about president trump i also want to give a giant heartfelt thank you to the 45th and 47th president of united states for his support. president trump, south carolina will have your back in november how much of an impact did he have in this race? i didn t hurt. right. i mean, last time around in 2022, nancy mace barely squeaked by in that primary against kt arrington when she was seen as more of the anti-trump candidate. now she has this massive advantage and that kind of lines up with what we ve seen throughout this cycle, which is when trump makes an endorsement in either governor s race those are congressional races. his candidates have always one and 2024, at least before tonight. and the other thing i will note is somebody cares, at least in the republican primary electorate, what kevin mccarthy has to say, he s not the speaker anymore. the idea that he could go on this revenge tour and somehow get revenge against these candidates. these voters care about donald trump. he runs a reply publican party, not kevin mccarthy. yeah, there was some funding that kevin mccarthy helped with with mazes challenger, but but that was pretty much it. but we re also projecting that the republican michael ruling is going to win that that special election in ohio s six congressional district. this obviously matters because right now republicans having teeny tiny majority in the house and heal help with that margin just to teeny tiny bit. yeah. yeah. he ll help in that. but really what s interesting to me there is the margin which is he s not winning by a whole heck of a lot of the margin i last checked around was about ten percentage points. and why that s important, it s trump won that district by nearly 30 points. this is just another example of democrats turning out and high numbers in these special elections democrats are highly engaged and that s the thing they re hoping for come november, right? that this highly engaged electorate that they re seeing in these special elections will translate come november and their voters were turnout and trump s voters perhaps won t. okay, so that s interesting. so he wanted the district by how much in 2020 trump won it by a little less than 30 percentage twice and now you re seeing how close that is in that race is exactly right, and that s something we ve seen throughout the special elections since roe v. wade was overturned as democrats been outperforming their 2020 basin and democrats are hoping that translates to 2024. but of course there ll be a much wider turnout in 2024. the question is, how much larger? well, that turned out, actually, yeah, and highly engaged voters important can i ask you? we re going to talk about a few of the other races were still waiting on some polls so close in nevada, cui talk about what is happening with george santos, your war, the associated press is reporting tonight that the former congressman who has, we know is facing federal fraud charges right now, has just one. this bid from a judge to be able to go and visit the poker nose and pennsylvania yeah from a judge essentially granting his request to be able to leave the state to go to this area. it s restricted as a condition of his release while he awaits trial, but he is going to be at least allowed to go to the poker news, isn t that nice? you know, he can go skiing and the poke anos perhaps that could be my winter vacation come next year, the next time i take a winter vacation, i can go to the polk and maybe still a little bit with george santos and have a good time. i mean, george santos is the gift that keeps on giving. that s really all it is. his comedic relief and a political world in which everything seems to go wrong. and so down he is the comedic relief that actually allows us to smile once in a while when talking about politics, people don t ski in this summer, harry, you know what asking, taken water ski. why don t we go to a water park with george santos? we could do that. skiing s is for all seasons i ll leave that to 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to enter the united states well, the good news is that the system worked, right? so let s just everyone take a deep breath. federal officials caught these individuals. they investigated them, they track them down. they have them in custody. so this is exactly how it s supposed to unfold. why didn t catch them when they entered is a whole different conversation. they will have to hear soon as the investigation goes through, it may be because of what we call trade craft. these individuals may have hidden their intention. they may be well coached. there may be a larger conspiracy at play. and if federal officials followed them that look at some of their communication, some of their activities, and deemed that they were a threat. so that s good news. they were caught the bad news is as christopher wray in an april and many cbp customs and border protection high-level officials have told members of congress and the public that they re concerned about terrorist and known as what we call k asts, known suspected terrorists, and people in the no fly list sneaking across the southern border because of the the volume of individuals that are coming and the number of countries are coming from. i mean, this is exactly what we ve heard from republican critics of the southern border and how it s being handled at this moment is a concern that this something like this could happen and the system not working yeah, it s always a concern, especially when we would call them up the gottaways. so if you look at if one in every hundred thousand individuals who get away is a known as suspected terrorists. you can have dozens or hundreds of individuals that could potentially threats and so this is a wake-up call to all
not that kamala harris was a good dancer, she was a terrible dancer too but at least she tried a little bit. it s just not a good idea to be around people who are great dancers or good dancers and then you are kind of rocking in an awkward this whole administration looks like a reality show called america s got issues. the whole video catches look at it, it s all we ve got. jimmy, i knew we would get in trouble with this got good to see you as always. don t forget to catch jimmy failla on the road, red bank new jersey next week. that s it for us, don t forget to follow me on social media. jesse next. jesse: welcome to jetties jesse watters primetime . tonight. hunter biden convicted of two counts of lying on a form. a combination of guns and drugs made his conduct dangerous. no one in this country is above the law. jesse: hunter finally faces the music. what s this mean for the big guy? have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes. ideals and we don t know fully what american soil is. [ ] [ ] jesse: happy juneteenth. [ inaudible ] took everything from us. there s nothing that could replace my son. jesse: the face of evil. do whatever you can to keep this monster behind bars. jesse: plus. my name s wanda. that s not what you told me. will who are you? [ ] [ ] jesse: fox news alert, guilty, guilty, guilty. was the verdict handed down by a jury of hunter biden s peers. for the first time in his life, hunter faced the music. two counts of lying on a gun form, one count of possession of a firearm by a drug user. hunter biden appeared wide-eyed and motionless as he became the first child of a sitting president to be convicted of a crime. three felonies, hunter facing a maximum of 25 years in prison. sentencing guidelines suggest just a couple although the judge could deviate and do whatever she wants. sentencing will probably occur before september 5th when hunter goes on trial in la for tax evasion. that means hunter could be sentenced to prison just days before the second presidential debate. he will obviously appeal. here s a special council after today s verdict. hunter biden was convicted of two counts of lying on a form submitted to a federal firearms dealer about his addiction or use of crack cocaine. and possessing a firearm while a user or addict. no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions back even this defendant. however hunter biden should be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct. jesse: that s the same biden prosecutor who tried to hand hunter probation and lifetime immunity for the guns and tax felonies. we were wondering where this newfound concept of accountability came from. here s what one juror had to say after the verdict. watch. biden was on trial, just like anybody else. no one is above the law, no matter who you are. politics played no part in this whatsoever. jesse: the jury followed the law, the judge ran a tight trial and justice was served. but just because one democrat was convicted doesn t mean the american legal system isn t being abused. the feds are throwing dozens of republicans in prison on trumped up charges and trying to incarcerate the republican nominee for a crime they cooked up with black magic to hocus-pocus and election. hunters judge did not donate to a group called stop democrats either. the media celebrated the trump verdict like a july 4th barbecue but treated hunters like a funeral. this trial inside the courtroom, like virtually every criminal trial, was a personal tragedy, a family tragedy. every presidential family is part of the american family, that s the way it works. this is a tragedy for the biden family. that family drama played out in a courtroom in ways we have never seen before. it does not make it any less painful for the nation or for the family. but the verdict is now real and the consequences will apply. this public life of this family which began a half-century ago after all with the car accident that killed his late wife and his daughter, injured his two sons, you ve now fast forward to today and this really dramatic and ultimately painful process continues. jesse: hunters everything the media claims to despise, a white privileged sexist spoiled brat who barks don t you know who my daddy is? but he s a democrat so the media circles the wagons. the media has more sympathy for a crack addict to dumped a gun by a school than for a president who just wants to make america great again. moments ago, hunter and joe were seen hugging on the tarmac in delaware where they will be spending the night together. i m sure this father s day weekend will be a little awkward biden wished he could have been there sooner but in an act of poetic injustice, he had to attend a gun-control event just hours before the verdict. there s never been a time that says you can own anything you want. you could not own a cannon during the civil war. think about it, how much to here this praise, the blood of liberty give me a break. if they want to think they can take on government if we get out of line which they are talking again about, they need f-15s, they don t need a rifle. [ crowd noise ] no, no, no, no, no. jesse: biden s son was so high he s lucky no one died but he wants to restrict the cyclamen meant for sober law-abiding americans. our government had f-15s in afghanistan and attala bench one with rifles by the way. we are not looking to overthrow joe just to throw him out. after a jury found hunter guilty of gun felonies, joe biden said he is proud of him. jill and i love our son and we are so proud of them and he is today. there s no contrition at all by the biden family. hunter did not show any remorse, he was smiling afterwards. his father is not ashamed, would not even gently condemn his son s actions. hunter has committed more crimes than we can count and all biden says is he s proud. the reason hunter has broken the law for 30 years and not pay the piper is because of his dad. if every time i screwed up and my dad s response was i m proud, son, i love you, i would keep screwing up. bailing somebody out over and over again does not mean you love them. hunter was kicked out of the navy for cocaine on an administrative discharge instead of a dishonorable one because his dad greased the brass. hunter got caught with cocaine at the jersey shore way back in the eighties and the senator s son had his record expunged. when he left his crack pipe in a rental car, police investigated and dropped the charges. when he put 20 grand on his dad s amex for russian escorts, the secret service cleaned it up. when he lost his laptop, the fbi and cia covered it up. when he owed millions in back taxes, s sugar brother foot the bill. when he needed money for alimony and child support, daddy s donors bought his dopey art. his dad s own justice department tried to make the gun and tax case go away a year ago today. what makes you think daddy won t save him again? will you accept the jury s outcome, there verdict, no matter what it is? yes. have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes. jesse: biden never used the word commute. commuting a sentence means you just spring him out of prison. the charge is still on the record. biden is going to have to save his son to save his own hide. remember that taxes and the gun, only a fraction of the crimes hunter and joe biden would be guilty of, it prosecutors were allowed to follow the facts, was there blowers have testified that investigators were blocked at every turn from following leads that lead to joe. the cia and fbi and the treasury department s are all in on the cover up. a strong case could be made for trump prosecutors to investigate money laundering, racketeering bribery, foreign lobbying conspiracies. donald trump calls the gun case a distraction. the trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family which is raked in tens of millions of dollars from china, russia and ukraine. rocha joe biden s rain over the biden family criminal empire is all coming to an end on november 5th and never again will a biden cell government access for personal pride it profit. hunter biden may have faced verdict today but the verdict on joe biden will come november 5th. cohost of the 5 judge jeanine pirro is here and she s matching me. judge, will this judge sentenced hunter biden to prison? well there are those who think that the sentencing guidelines which are no longer mandatory can call for between 15 and 21 months and of course if the judge wants to do a downward departure, she can do so but she has to give a reason to do so. i don t know that she would be inclined to do so given a couple of things. hunter biden could have pled guilty, admitted, took responsibility and admitted remorse. this judge also is the judge who first saw through the fact that the hunter biden team and the department of justice was trying to pull the wool over her eyes and create this immunity in perpetuity so hunter biden would never be prosecuted for a crime for the rest of his life. jesse: i want one of those deals. who doesn t? in addition to that, the nullification argument. i mean the defense that went on in this courtroom just divide any kind of reason and it was really an insult to the jury that s all right through it. i mean you ve got the defendant whose boys is bellowing in the courtroom basically saying i was addicted to drugs. you ve got all kinds of evidence, a laptop that the biden a ministration and everyone in so-called intelligence said was fake so this judge may say enough of pulling the wool over everyone s eyes, maybe i will give him some jail time. jesse: if the sentence comes down right before the fifth where he goes on trial for taxes in la, does hunter immediately appeal, when does he serve a sentence or would dad come in and commute? i don t think his dad is going to do anything before the election because he does not have to. if there is a sentence that is imposed that calls for some jail time, even a small amount, the defendant has the right to request a pallet bail. it will probably be granted so he will not have to serve any jail time. and of course joe biden can wait until the end of his term or he can commute his sentence. who knows, joe has changed his mind, we don t even know if he understood the question. but it s interesting. i want to say one thing, that whole biden family stood there and sat there in the front row with this united front, you know, we love hunter, and every one of them has been negatively impacted by hunter biden being a crack addict and getting a gun. but in addition to that, everyone part of that united front was getting money from what you call the crime family, from all over the world everyone got some money from an llc. so that family is not what they appear to be i think that the jury s all right through it. it s in no way a nullification. this is a very easy case. the quickness within which they brought back the verdict tells me that they weren t pulling any punches. jesse: why do you think the president of the united states at a time like this when his son has been convicted of a serious gun charge that could have piled up having a kid snatch it from the trashcan and may be shoot himself are his sister in the head, why doesn t he say anything contrite? like my son made a mistake or i m sorry that we are putting the country through this, just a gently worded phrase to show the american people that the family takes some responsibility and has some remorse? because hunter biden was considered the prince in delaware. everyone called him the prince. he s never been held accountable for anything he s done. he s 54 years old. in addition to that, they have to admit the hypocrisy because within hours of the sentence, joe biden was saying we have to have stronger gun laws, we have to make sure these guns are secure and kept in safe places. i mean come on tell that to your son. jesse: judge jeanine, we will see you on the 5 tomorrow. no more trials for a while, we are out of trials, what are we going to talk about? see you tomorrow. congressman james comer joins me now. congressmen, you ve sent referrals to the attorney general on perjury because he lied to you guys in a sworn deposition. so he s got a lot hanging over his head here. how do you think that s going to shake out in light of this conviction? well it s more problems for hunter biden. look, what hunter biden did in the deposition is he clearly lied and why did he lie? he lied to protect joe biden. but the fact that he lied under oath is clearly perjury. this will be used to determine his sentencing. so not only do you have the gun trial where he clearly lied on a gun application, the jury s all right through that, now he s got his tax evasion charges where we know he did not pay his taxes, we know to this day he hasn t paid his taxes, his taxes were paid years later by major democrat donor prior to the presidential election to help alleviate a problem joe biden had in the presidential election against trump. so what we ve done with the criminal referrals as you know is the first step. it s just the beginning, but it s a major problem for hunter biden and it s going to be taken into account when it comes time for his sentencing. jesse: how do you feel as an investigator who cracked this case wide open with a laptop, followed every lead as far as you could, ran into some roadblocks, and there are only focusing on a narrow, still in quincy and a gun charge, which they had to prosecute because he had pictures of it all over the internet? how does that make you feel. justice will not be served until the department of justice takes into account all of the financial crimes that the entire biden family committed. it wasn t just hunter biden, it was also joe biden and jim biden, the entire family benefited from the biden influence peddling schemes. we had three people testify who were once partners with hunter biden in these schemes. they testified under oath that the biden s were selling the biden brand, they were selling access to joe biden. there was never a legitimate business. we know from whistleblowers they never paid taxes on the tens of millions of dollars that they took from adversaries around the world. we have laws in congress where i am right now that prevent people from doing this. it s called the foreign registration act, foreign corrupt practices act. we know the biden s have violated these laws so until the department of justice takes the real serious crimes into account, justice has not been served. if i listed the top ten crimes that the president s son committed, lying on a gun application would not even make the cut. jesse: so true. is hunter biden taking the fall to save his dad? it sure looks like that. he looks like someone that s got a pardon in his back pocket. people asked today, will the president pardon hunter biden. while the department of justice is not finished with him. they have this tax evasion trial, then they ve got these criminal referrals, and as i ve said many times over the past week, we are not finished. the criminal referrals will just the beginning of the accountability face. we ve gone through great lengths and we ve been very transparent with the american people about the money this family has taken in, we ve been very transparent about the 20 shell companies, the llcs the biden s had that appear to serve no purpose other than to launder money, and when i say launder i m using a word that six different banks used in those suspicious activity reports. they laundered money to ten different biden family members and according to the irs whistleblowers, they never paid taxes. jesse: and you are still looking at new bank records you ve got your hands on. yes. we find new accounts every day. jesse: all right, thank you james comer, he was posted. let s bring in former white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany. how do you think president biden is feeling today? i imagine it s pretty rough because there has been reporting for a year plus saying that every single day he has been following hunter biden and the legal matter, so much so that aids will bring it up to him and he will kind of erupt. so aids kind of tiptoe around him, they don t want to bring it out, even though it is a live political story, one that we talk about often, and the white house press briefing, there was supposed to be one today, there wasn t one. i imagine they did not want to field questions on this. i imagine as a father this is a tough moment. he doesn t even want to talk about the politics of it but he will have to at some point. jesse: but the verdict does contain the potential thrust into his own personal and financial affairs. and so do the tax charges. they have been walled off from anything against joe biden. so at the same time, as distraught as he is about his son, his addiction and conviction, he must feel politically insulated from any future exposure. i think he does. i would be stunned if hunter biden did not take a plea deal ahead of the tax charges. that is where you start getting subpoena power. that is where you start getting subpoena power over all of these bank accounts that james comer is talking about. he subpoenaed them on the congressional level but they start to come into a live court case. there is simply no way they allow that to go to trial when they know they ve got, to your point if you don t want to pardon hunter, you have a commutation in your back pocket, you will either pay a lame duck president or second term president, more likely the first. he s going to pardon his son. s son is going to take a plea deal. i would be stunned if he allowed that. jesse: and he would take a plea deal to serve any time? remember he rejected serving time in the first plea deal that blew up. yeah, look, i think he learned a lesson. he overplayed his hand today. the facts are supposed to match the law in order to get a conviction. this was a slamdunk case. the facts match the law. he lied on a gun form. tax evasion. either you paid your taxes or you didn t and in his case he did not. this is a slamdunk. if he would have taken a plea deal today it would have been much better for him when it came to sentencing, would have gotten a much lighter sentence, so why would you not do that with the tax evasion? jesse: and right before the second presidential debate when everybody in the country starts paying attention. kayleigh mcenany has never broken a law and her life, have a great night. never, thank you jesse. jesse: breaking news on wanda the ballot stuffer straight ahead. 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[ ] come on, where my people at? come on and party! i need to see my people. [ ] jesse: it was so uncomfortable that george floyd s brother had to give the president one of those, you all right bro, you good? does not joe out of it. [ ] to snap joe out of it [ ] jesse: then biden had to speak and use words even 24 hours later we still can t decipher. they are all ghosts, trying to take us back. there are, taking away your freedoms, making it harder for black people to vote. banning books about lack experiences. grandmother juneteenth. she [ inaudible ] jesse: he s jet lag from france and tormented over his sons trial, he does not want to be at a juneteenth party and it shows. the man with the nuclear codes is cracking. it was the biden administration who may juneteenth a federal holiday and they are not even celebrating it on june 19th. what the heck is going on here? a new poll shows how much black americans distrust the biden government. three quarters of black americans believe that police do little to stop guns and drugs in black communities. a.k.a. they want more thorough police work. over half of black americans think the government encourages single motherhood to eliminate the need for black men. and over half of black americans believe the government promotes birth control and abortion to keep the black population small. the founder of plant parenthood degrees. what to do you know? black and white americans both think biden s governments deviously corrupt. founder of conserve the culture michaela montgomery joins us now. have you ever seen somebody celebrate juneteenth like joe biden? i ve never seen a more lackadaisical celebration when it comes to my people, so no. not at all. jesse: are you worried about the president? it looked like for a second there he forgot he was alive. i m definitely worried about the president s cognitive abilities to lead this country. when you look at everything that s going on internationally, i don t know how i could feel safe living in a country where my president does not seem to even know where he is, let alone be able to keep track of everything that s going on in the world. jesse: these poll numbers, i m so glad we showed them because the majority of black americans believe police don t do enough to keep guns and drugs out of those communities. in other words, they want more aggressive policing, they want police to do a good job, to have the resources and crackdown on crime. that s what republicans and all americans have been saying across the country for years. yeah, i never thought that d funds a police movement made sense because when something happens, who else are you going to call? even here in atlanta we have a public training facility being built so then we can better train our officers and give them the resources they need to better serve our communities. so yeah, it is, you know, pretty interesting how now everybody is more so shifting to something that was originally conservative value. as i was telling what of my friends earlier, there s no reason why the hood was the hood when your grandma was a child and it looks like it s still going to be the hood when your kids have kids, you know. these people are tired of seeing their communities being run down, tired of seeing addiction take over their loved ones. so yeah, they would encourage that the taxes that they pay go to better law enforcement, to better policy and better community relations. jesse: black americans getting tired of joe biden in the democratic party. why do you think it has taken until now, and all right after the trump presidency and four years into the biden presidency back on till now for black americans to say hey, we are not wedded to the democrat party like we have been for decades? one of the first things is of course joe biden telling us we are not black if we don t vote for him. that had a lot of us like what you mean i m not black. that started to raise questions. but then of course the current state of the economy is not helping. everybody is frustrated with the fact they need three jobs to pay one mortgage. so yeah. jesse: all right. do like my pink tie? getting a lot of compliments. i love it, you know, the pink is my thing. jesse: that s right. real men and women wear pink. have a great night. eight ice as fighters caught and released by the biden a ministration at the border. right back. 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who won the last election. very simple. let s discuss and debate. i mean look, it s been asked by donald trump, he refuses to answer it correctly but we will see what he s does. in front of 140 million people. it s a little different. jesse: stephanopoulos thinks november 5th is a referendum on january 6th. also rachel maddow thinks trump will put her in internment camp. she says i m worried about the country broadly if we put someone in power who is openly about way that he plans to build camps to hold millions of people. for that matter, what convinces you that these massive camps he s planning are only for migrants? so yes, i m worried about me, but only as much as i m worried about all of us. don t flatter yourself, rachel, if anyone is going to a camp, it s a costa. so like anybody with boeser. no one is sending anybody to camps, you silly goose. except for our sons and daughters as we can get some peace and quiet this summer. this preemptive strike against the next trump presidency is nothing compared to the preemptive strike against the supreme court which has been relentless and vicious, including everything from triggering armed psychos to hunt down justices to flag gate. work recusal from that trump cases is the goal, secondarily to delegitimize the court so the trump opinions are discredited. the latest dirty trick got a liberal activist went undercover and secretly recorded justice alito and his wife during a private event. she pretended to be a conservative and tried baiting the justice into saying something scandalous. watch. people in this country who believe in god have to keep fighting for that to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. i support your ruling. i am very pro-life. i don t know how we bridge the gap. i wish we knew. i don t know. i don t think it s something we have a very defined roll. jesse: nothing controversial here about the answer. he does not think we will be able to change pro-choice people s minds and he thinks we should have more religion in the country. so what? but the media seized on it as disqualifying. we know alito is essentially a fox host on the court. new developments about supreme court justice samuel alito s compromised ethics and open support and comfort with extreme far right causes. jesse: former presidential candidate the back ramaswamy joins me now. i did not think they would have this kind of dirty trick in their back but they are going undercover now. what you think is next? the reality is, this radical left will stop at nothing to implement their agenda. they will go through the law system, they will go through prosecutorial systems, the financial system and through administrative agencies. the reality is, the american people are seeing through the farce they have put up and you full me once, shame on you, for me twice, shame on me. most people in this country understand that. the media s histrionics are becoming even more extreme because they realized that people aren t falling for it but that is going to backfire i believe heading into november. jesse: i m fine with undercover journalistic tactics, that s been bread-and-butter for decades but it s not like a big expose if he likes god and doesn t think he can change the minds of pro-choice americans. earlier i want to get your take on this because we had breaking news earlier. hunter biden found guilty of three gun felonies this morning in delaware. could be facing up to two years, possibly more in prison, if the judge sentences him that way. what do you think this will do to the biden campaign? look, i think there s a couple of things going on here. i think this particular trial and conviction is a bit of a farce, a bit of a faint retreat. no to the timing. it came right after the trump trial and the trump verdict. the purpose of this is in the public eye, to legitimize the trump conviction. it s also designed to deflect attention away from what they should be going after the biden family for which is selling off our foreign policy to make their family rich in places like ukraine where hunter biden has absolutely no business serving on the board of a state affiliated energy company which happens to be the same country we are sending $200 billion of american taxpayer money to. so that s what this is about, it s a bit of a deflection, all against the backdrop that these are federal charges when his father is the sitting president of the united states who can absolutely pardon those actual convictions. so we should not fall for that trick and i think that s what this is about. jesse: timing is everything in politics and in life. vivek ramaswamy, thank you, have a great night. you too. jesse: wanda is back. 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(kev) . i guess we re movin . jesse: fox news alert, wanda has been arrested. the democrat operative who was caught on camera allegedly stuffing pallets in bridgeport, connecticut last year was charged with unlawfully possessing another person s ballot and witness tampering. but this has nothing to do with her alleged stuffing in 2023. this goes all the way back to 2019. wanda was arrested for ballot fraud in the city s 2019 democrat primary for the same candidate she helped elect in 2023,. wanda is accused of filling out someone s absentee ballot, telling them to not vote in person and then asking them to not tell investigators about what she said. wanda is not the only democrat arrested for fraud. three other bridgeport democrats were charged. one of them is a city councilman. wanda has been suspended with pay from her city job for months she works for the front desk for the mayor she got into office. fox 61 reporter paid her a visit today. watch this. we like to talk with the mayor about some of the city workers being arrested for election fraud. be right with you. reporter: we waited. fast-forward. the mayor did not want to talk to us but his 2019 and 2023 mayoral opponents did. i always felt like they had been cheated. i did not know the depth of it. we called it live on video directly from city hall. the players and the actors remain the same. reporter: they both say they believe they should be occupying bridgeport s corner office. i m going down to city hall and telling him to get out of my chair. jesse: candidates were cheated, voters don t trust the system. this is why you need squeaky clean elections every time. we need every wanda locked up before november. a cleveland woman was in court yesterday for the murder of a 3-year-old boy and attempted murder of the kids mom. what she did next was disgusting. senior national correspondent kevin corke with more. reporter: evening. you know sometimes it really takes every ounce of your being to not say what you really want to say about a person because it would be propane and perhaps even worse, which is why tonight there s precious little i can say about bianca ellis. she is that cleveland woman who s been charged with killing a sweet 3-year-old little boy named julian and for stabbing his mother. but if you thought she would show any remorse for the crime or any ounce of humanity or regret, you would be sadly mistaken because at her arraignment yesterday she did no such thing. in fact she did the opposite, smirking and preening for the cameras without a care in the world, a foegele repugnant display of sheer evil. none of this should have happened in the first place because ellis already had a warrant because of a theft conviction. though she had previously been taken into custody by cops, she was later released. then just four days later she stabbed little julian to death and wounded his mother margo. authorities are calling it a random act of violence. her pale has been set at $5 million. we wish per no bail, period, or extended to the max possible at the very least. do whatever you can to keep this monster behind bars. jesse: your heart goes out to that dad. to top it all off, back in february ellis, who also has a felony battery wrap on her jacket, ended up in a women s shelter and allegedly told officers there she wanted to kill someone and eat their flesh. if convicted in this case, she could face the death penalty, and some would argue that s not enough. back to you. jesse: not enough. to give her the chair twice. kevin, thank you. more primetime ahead. 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seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign, a political intimidation, in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. and that at the core is part of the sticks of our democracy that are before us today. because once rule of law goes out the window, it is not something that is easy to get back and it is very much a part of the decision that we have to make before us in the next few months. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, congressman jamie raskin, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts now. we have new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren winsor has given us and we will be playing that in the hour, so stay tuned. i will pick like i said, exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover progressive activist. that is what we have tonight. that is in addition to the bombshell recordings that were released yesterday and we will definitely want to hear these recordings when we play them. if you have been wondering how those secret tapes were made in the very first place, how activists and judges on the highest court in this land, how they came to mingle behind closed doors? the answer to that begins almost 10 years ago to this day when the supreme court handed down a major decision. reporter: supporters of the hobby lobby cheered today s victory. the oklahoma family that owns the chain of 500 craft stores claims that providing insurance coverage for some forms of contraceptives under obamacare would be the equivalent of paying for abortion. the court called the rolling startling and said it will allow companies to opt out of any law they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs. the hobby lobby decision. the majority opinion was written by justice samuel alito and it was one of the first signs that conservatives on this court were willing to go after reproductive freedoms no matter the consequence. in the wake of the dobbs decision 10 years later, hobby lobby seemed sort of like the canary in the coal mine in more ways than one. in november 2022, the new york times offered key reporting about how the hobby lobby decision came to be. for years before the court heard the case, conservative christians have been engaged in a campaign called operation higher court. that operation was to personally court and influence the supreme court s conservative justices. that effort was spearheaded by a man named reverend robert shank who would recruit christian couples who he called stuff missionaries to gain access to the judges and to impress upon them the importance of conservative christian values. here is how the new york times described one of their strategies. reverend gave his stuff missionaries close instruction, the justices were more likely to let their guard down at the supreme court historical society annual dinners because they assumed attendees had been properly vetted. ca justice, boldly approach, schenck told the couples according to a briefing document reviewed by the times. if given the opportunity, bear witness to biblical truth, but don t push it, he said. your presence alone at the historical society events telegraphs a very important signal to the justices. christians are concerned about the court and the issues that come before it. that strategy appears to have paid off. according to the times reporting, some of schenck s stuff missionaries were able to build enough of a relationship with justice alito and his wife, martha and, that they obtained advanced notice of the court s hobby lobby decision before it came out. that breach of that unprecedented breach foreshadowed the leaked dobbs decision striking down go versus wade two years later. that specific strategy of using the supreme court s annual historical society dinners as a way to gain access to supreme court justices, it turns out that too is relevant again, just this week. they historical society dinner is a yearly event where wealthy donors give money to a nonprofit dedicated to preserving the court s history. in exchange for their money, those donors get to rub shoulders with some of the justices and their spouses. as it turns out, conservatives weren t the only ones in on this arrangement. last week, progressive activist lauren winsor who happens to be a member of the historical society, bought a ticket for the event. she got in, she pretended to be a conservative donor attending the event with her husband. ms. lender then approach some of the conservative justices and secretly recorded her conversations with them. and busyness has not heard the full tape of what is recorded so we cannot say for certain where edits were made if any were actually made. tonight we have some brand-new, never before heard audio from that event to play for you and when you hear these new tapes, he will hear something familiar to what was on the tapes released yesterday. a justice in this case, justice alito, who is aggrieved and frustrated, who is nakedly partisan and totally unconcerned by appearing to be all of those things in front of a total stranger. remember what we heard yesterday. as someone who really cherishes my face, i just don t know that we can negotiate the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think it is a matter of, like, winning. i think you are probably right. on one side or the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully. but it is difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. so it is not like you are going to split the difference. and that is what i m saying. i think that the solution really is, like, winning the moral argument. like, people in this country who believe in god have got to keep fighting for that, to return our country to a place of godliness. i agree with you. i agree with you. member, at this closed-door cocktail party, winsor was also able to get justice alito s wife, martha and, to explain her deeply personal motivation for flaying two insurrectionist flags in front of their homes. that is a story that has just scandalized this court and is reporting this week would seem to suggest that mrs. alito has no shame about what she has been doing , in fact, quite the opposite. after deriding who have been critical of the scandal, she made clear that these flags she flies are explicitly her form of resistance and response. i know what i want, i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. and he is like, please don t put up a flag. i said i want to do it because i am deferring to you but when you are free of this nonsense, i am putting it up and i am going to send you a message every day, maybe every week i will be changing the flags, i made a flag in my head, this is how i satisfy myself, i made a flag, it is white and yellow and orange flames around it. in the middle is this word. in italian, it means shame. just to be clear here, justice alito has publicly stated his wife did not fly these flags to associate herself with the stop the steal movement or any other group. but it seems quite clear from the clip that his wife very much sees these flags as a form of political expression and a response to what she believes are liberal attacks. perhaps most concerning in these recordings, though, is martha-ann alito s five-year plan for revenge . it is okay because if they come back to me, i will get them. i m going to be liberated, and i m going to get them. there is a five-year defamation statute of limitations. i don t know what you mean by they. the media. okay, so martha-ann alito, the wife of a supreme court justice, that she has a plan to get back at the media by suing for defamation. and she thinks she will have the opportunity to do that in the next five years, when she is free of all this nonsense. is samuel alito s wife telling us something here about justice alito s retirement plans? and how concerned should we all be that a supreme court justices spouse is talking about the american media with open contempt? tonight we have grand brand- new audio from that same event where justice alito himself tells us what he thinks about the press. the other voice you will hear on this tape is an associate of lauren winsor s who was also at this event. i just wanted to ask you, why do you think the supreme court is so is being so attacked and being so targeted by the media these days? well, i think it is a simple reason. they don t like our decisions and they don t like how they anticipate we may decide some cases that are coming up. that s the beginning and the end of it. and there are there are groups that are very well-funded by ideological groups that have spearheaded these attacks. that s what it is. like who? propublica. propublica gets a lot of, you know, gets a lot of money, and they have spent a fortune investigating clarence thomas, for example. everything he s ever done in his entire life, and they ve done some of that to me too. but, you know, they look for any little thing they can find, and they try to make something out of it. and be seen is reached out for comment from both samuel alito and his wife, martha-ann alito, but we have not heard back. joining me now is lauren winsor, progressive activist and the executive producer of the undercurrent. thank you for being here, i know you have had a busy week so far. we are so appreciative of all that you have set this far and all you have to share with us tonight. first, start with a new sound that your organization or your colleague has given us. there are two parts of this new tape that strikes me as concerning. the first is justice samuel alito saying that the media is attacking him because the media doesn t like how they anticipate the court has decided cases and may decide upcoming cases. was that a window into what may be coming down the pipe in the next two weeks? how did you interpret that? i mean, i definitely interpreted it as being a harbinger for bad things to come. did you get the sense when he was talking about the media and specifically citing propublica, for example, and their expensive investigators reporting about clarence thomas, that these stories are very much being shared behind closed doors at the supreme court? his media awareness seemed to be relatively high. it is very high, and he already had a sense of grievance when i first spoke with him in 2023, but it was much more pronounced this year i think in the two conversations that both allie and i had with him. can we talk about the context here? the fact is, you and your colleague both had conversations with the alitos. for those who have not been to historical society of us, is this what happens at them? we know two bombshell series of reports about conversation, advocacy campaigns that are happening between attendees and the justices on the supreme court. it is interesting, i had actually read that initial report in the new york times about reverend schenck and that is part of what played into my going in the first place but i did not read that report and think i should become a member now. it really was incited by the propublica reporting on clarence thomas and it is interesting that justice alito wants to rail about the money taken by propublica for investigating public servants while clarence thomas is not disclosing millions of dollars of gifts from gop donors and i have no idea what propublica s finances are but as someone who is an independent journalist, i would imagine that the money that clarence thomas is taking probably read the budget of propublica in any given year. is such a good point, what did you hear in justice alito s explanation for that? did you hear it almost seems as if there is certainly no contrition, but there is not even an acknowledgment that there was any wrongdoing on the part of clarence thomas in accepting potentially millions of dollars in unspecified gifts from conservative donors? it is not verbatim, but it is almost for meeting verbatim, making something out of any little thing. i don t consider any little thing to be buying my mother s house or paying for my nephew s tuition or getting a free rv loan. and these are all things he has accepted from gop donors. so, it would be a much different story if this were just about vacations he was taking with his wife and the family, most people would write it off as, it was a trip. most people would not consider traveling with friends or associates as being something that is that big of a deal, that is not actually what we are talking about with clarence thomas, is it? no, it is another order of magnitude, it would seem. and it has been going on for years. i guess some part of me is surprised that you, not knowing the alito s, you re just a random member of the historical society, is able to even get within shoulder rubbing distance of a justice and then draw him into conversation about some of the most incendiary topics in this country, which is a partisan divide. how did it actually unfold when you were in the room with the justice? it should be stated that in the guidance for the events, the historical society says, if you broach topics that are before the court, it may be grounds for you to be kicked out and so there is definitely a deliberative process in, how do i approach someone that, you know, not only are judges supposed to be really the height of discretion, the height of, you know, judgment, right? this is the highest court in the land, this is the supreme court justice, so i definitely went into this assuming that i was not going to get anything newsworthy. in 2023, i did not get anything newsworthy. but, i thought, you know, throughout the year that transpired, the media s scrutiny on justice alito has intensified so much and his grievance level is probably so much more peaked, that unlike clarence thomas who did not show up to this dinner but has been reported to have shown up to it many times, and he did not show up in 2023, by the way, that justice alito would probably attend anyway, even though he was undergoing this very intense media glare and sure enough, he was there and i think, you know, it was just something that i can t say what was in his mind so i don t know if in 2023, he had the same level of grievance and, you know, it changed over the course of the year? there are a couple options there. did it change or was it always there and he just felt more comfortable? was it hard to get him to talk? at the very end of this conversation, he says, are you a lawyer? i think he is talking to your colleague, i am not sure if it is you or her but it wasn t like you had offered any biographical information other than you had a husband who is not in the room. and i wonder why you operate that piece of information? how did you actually get into conversation with him? did you go up to him and start talking to him? the reason why i brought up my husband was that in 2023, i came with a male friend. the context of it was, we had a conversation after dinner, in 2023, my male friend was with me , he was not with me in 2024, so when i saw justice alito solo, it was one-on-one. it was, hi, there, my husband really wants to let you know that we are rooting for you, that you really have all the grit. the reason why i said you have all the grit, if it does not stick out to people, this is because donald trump had treated something out about how , you know, there should be more justices like samuel alito , with the grit that samuel alito has, so i felt like it was kind of a flag, if you will , to justice alito, that it was a safe space for him? a safe space, yes. i was trying to signal to him very coyly without saying trump because it goes back to the way the conversation to bridge a conversation with someone who has the highest level of discretion come you can t talk about partisan politics, if i had locked up in answer to talking about joe biden or donald trump, he would have shut down. so talking about polarization was really a way into the conversation that wasn t as aggressive but also indicative of what i was really trying to get out, was, is he acting on bias? and i really do believe that the american people deserve to know, is the supreme court so compromise that we do not really have impartiality, the bedrock of our judicial system? i think hearing it from his mouth, that he cannot be impartial, there are things that cannot be compromised, that needs to be fuel for journalists and for congress to say, tell us, what are the things that can t be compromised? lauren, look. you brought us into a room that few people are ever in and i think these tapes are revelatory and they are 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today s conviction was awkward, right? it is awkward for the talking point that it was all right, that biden justice department was weapon eyes only against republicans. but we live in a world in which the reality and the fact have a hard time catching up, you can see how deeply invested republicans are in there talking point about the biden crime family pick so it is not a shock that they are going to continue to repeat those talking points over and over and over again. but, i do think the contrast and the reaction to the conviction of donald trump in the conviction of hunter biden has been very, very telling here. again, it is always difficult to know how it is going to play out. we may see this at the debate. and other biden folks think this is going to come up at the debate and you know donald trump is going to try to make an issue of the fact that the president s son is a convicted felon which will be offered, being a convicted felon himself . but democrats have been making this point and let me even make the point that there are a number of democrats who are facing indictments under the biden justice department, not just the president s own son, but a democratic senator, senator menendez, henry cuellar, down in texas, these are all democrats. if the system is so rigged, how do they explain that? the answer is, they don t feel the need to explain that at all. they are just going to go with a spin. i just wonder who the spin is for, right? you talk about the reaction, this was a statement from the president of the united states after his son is convicted of felonies. as i said last week, i am the president but i am also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loveland battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love, out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said last week, looks at the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. it is a very strong statement, it is a tough statement for a father to make, and i think [ inaudible ] whatever the republican argument here is about biden rigging the system, among the [ inaudible ] i don t think there is any reason to doubt his word at this point. and again, this creates a really significant difference between the tantrum donald trump and his supporters have thrown and the acceptance of the rule of law and the decision of a jury that was represented with all of this evidence. the point you re making is, who is this for right now? almost everything republicans say is for the audience of one, it is for donald trump. this is what the base wants to hear about that is not the group of voters who will be deciding the selection. not to ask too poetic about it but i think embedded in biden s statement is a call to empathy, right? for those who have fallen, for people who have addiction and are trying to make it through a dark period, versus trump, who is all grievance all the time, and i think we think a lot we don t know a lot about where this country is headed, but really, appealing to people s since of forgiveness and empathy does not seem like a political strategy that has an expiration date. am i being too soft here? no, again, it is a very interesting contrast. if donald trump s superpower is his shamelessness, his refusal to ever take responsibility or apologize, joe biden s superpower is his empathy. and again, republicans aren t going to give him any credit for it but i do think there are a lot of americans who are going to say, this is a tragic situation, there are questions about hunter biden s judgment and his behavior, but also what you are seeing from joe biden is, this is what a father, a father who has lost his other son, how they would react to something like that. and i think there will be a sliver of the electorate, a crucial sliver, that is going to look at that and say we understand that seems human to us. that seems like something that we can identify with and admire as opposed to the constant conspiracy theories and the victim cardplaying and really, the vicious attacks on the criminal justice system and the jury system coming from donald trump. it is a real choice i had. this is going to be very, very indicative of who we are as a country. thank you again for your time, it is great see you. thank you. still to come this evening, we have new reporting about what appears to be a coordinated effort to broadcast disinformation about this fall s election on your local newscast. when it comes to donald trump a criminal conviction, republicans need a reality check. we have one, that is next. nex. with all the money i saved i thought i d buy stilts. being so tall definitely has its advantages. oh whoa. here you go, kiddo. thanks. hi honey ready to go? 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(vo) when life s doors open, we ll handle the house. i just went through a rigged trial in new york. it is a rigged system, a terrible system, actually, but it is a rigged system. the whole system is rigged. this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt. rigged, rigged, rigged, rigged. that has been donald trump by the refrain during his criminal trial in new york, the entire system is rigged against him. and yet, the system really seems to be bending in his favor lately as we saw yesterday at his probation interview. trump s interview lasted less than half an hour and trump was allowed to attend the meeting over zoom from his mar-a-lago beach club in florida. with his lawyer, seated by his side. just for perspective here, according to a statement released by multiple public defender groups in new york city, public defenders are deprived of joining their clients for these meetings, the option of joining these interviews virtually by zuma is typically not extended to the people we represent either. joining me now is duncan levin who was a federal prosecutor and served as a senior staffer in the manhattan va s office, he is now a criminal defense attorney. thank you for joining me to make sense of this madness her. first of all, the circumstances of this probation, they sound relatively easy, maybe even cushy but donald trump says that everything is rigged against him. who is right? this is something that is a routine and it typically takes hours. to the extent that there have been things that have been different for him, they have only been different in his favor. most defendants have to come there in person, it is a drab office, these things take hours, there are reports his probation interview took half an hour. this is an opportunity for probation to actually ask the types of questions that a judge might want to know on sentencing that don t come out in the trial. this defendant is somebody who is so well vetted, everybody knows everything, but for most defendants, the judge does not have a sense of who they are as a person. what their family situation is, with her immigration status is, are they using drugs? a lot of people notice about donald trump but you could say half an hour maybe all you need but the fact is, this is them doing their due diligence and to the extent that it is on zoom, the lawyer is there, it is only half an hour, to the extent it is rigged or indifferent, it is only been in his favor picked the other piece of this he likes bringing up is the presence in this case on the da side of amending matthew purkey. they were to the department of justice and now works for alvin and they have literally used matthew to be like, the missing link between job biden, the publisher of the justice department and alvin bragg, the prosecutor that has sought charges against donald trump. for people who aren t familiar with this line of attack, this is how comp talks about matthew. matthew colangelo is a radical left from the doj who was put into the state, working with lakisha james , and then was put into the district attorney s office to run the trial against trump. we will take issue with it put into passive in that statement but you have gone between the doj and the das office, so you know what it is like, i guess, to be a plant. first of all, is that a normal thing that happens? and how in line with reality is this argument? this is something that is also being jammed up on capitol hill a lot. in a letter today, the department of justice said this was conspiratorial speculation. i think it is something a lot more sinister and dark that is going on, this is an attempt to really undermine law enforcement and to so distrust of the public if enforcement function. first off, the manhattan das office and doj walk together all the time, everything today. there are joint task forces on terrorism, on hate crimes, there is a joint task force that looks the filings the banks viral, the suspicious activity reports, there have been drinking since i have been prosecuted by the department of justice and manhattan das office against banks like standard charter, hsbc, ing and barclays, there have been cases every day that rd conflicting between department of justice and the manhattan das office, they don t arrest the same person or step on each other s toes and people go back and forth, and from the manhattan das office to the aspersion of justice and back to the manhattan das office, robert morgan was the most famous manhattan da who served for 35 years from 1975 to 2010, prior to becoming elected as a manhattan da with the united states attorney for the southern district of new york. he was an obama plant quick exactly, a stooge of the ministration. it is preposterous, right? and yet there is no sense these cries of foul play are going to end anytime soon. this is all coming to a head on july 11 when there is the sentencing hearing for trump and i guess i wonder what your expectation for that is and whether there is anything to be done around the cries of foul play in a rigged system that are inevitably going to come up no matter what trump is sentenced to? this is such a hard decision for the judge and you would not wish it on your worst enemy and frankly on both sides, nobody should want him to go to jail or want anyone to go to jail, it is a sad day. that being said it is a tough decision for him to make. the prosecution is virtually going to be asking for jail time. the defense is looking for a conditional discharge saying he has been punished enough by the felony and that is it. it will be an outcry on both sides no matter what it is. this is something that is very difficult decision. i don t know that there is any way to the political thicket of it, other than to say this is a judge who has really been around the block and will be taking this seriously unfairly and i think you ll see a sentence that is free of some of those political considerations, something that he will be, maybe dom amato, but i think both sides will be able to make of it like a rorschach test, if you will, they will be able to argue around it what ever it is. that is not exactly you are not giving me the inside dope on what you think it would be and i would never put you on the spot for that, but for all the we have seen thus far it feels like the volume is only going to increase. thank you, my friend, for being here, helping us all through this. coming up, trump appointee judge eileen cannon tosses out part of trump s indictment in the classified documents case. we are going to get to that but first, some very orwellian messaging broadcast from your trusted local news station, that is next. next. at bombas, we re obsessed with comfort. softness. quality. because your basic things should be your best things. one purchased equals one donated. visit bombas.com and get 20% off your first order. when life spells heartburn. how do you spell relief? 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it is certainly not a critical factor. all this means is that it is not sitting in what is otherwise known as a speaking indictment. it is still information prosecutors can bring out at trial, and almost certainly will litigate to make sure they can bring it out, as evidence of a prior bad act strictly in the context of mr. trump s intent, his motive, his desire, his willingness to conceal this information that he knew he knew he had classified documents, he knew he wasn t authorized to have them and he was retaining them at mar-a- lago. this is a minor, little victory for mr. trump. otherwise, the motion was denied. otherwise, the issue, of course, is that it just took so long. this could have been resolved weeks ago. it never needed to take this long. if it is not a significant win for trump, is it indicative, though, of a broader tension between the special counsel s office and this judge? because throughout this case and it seems like it has ratcheted up in recent months there is maybe not a volley because it seems like it is coming from one side, the judge does not seem happy with jack smith or his team. yes, certainly the tensions continue to boil and they have reached the point where in a hearing just a few weeks ago, prosecutors were so upset and frustrated with their attempts to try to explain to judge cannon their view on the case law and how certain legal precedents apply that the judge had to basically counsel them to calm down. none of us were there, i don t know how badly that got out of hand, but it is never a good sign when you are a lawyer and the judge is telling you to calm down. but, let s be honest about where this is going. judge cannon, for whatever reason, has chosen to take a slow and methodical approach. she hasn t granted donald trump anything of substance, yet, at any point in this case. but because of how she has dragged it out, because she is making sure the classified portions in particular are taking forever, it is almost guaranteed this will never see the light of day, it will never go to trial before people go to the voting booth in november. that seems guaranteed, there seems to be a question about whether we will see the trial, period. but, that seems to be based on politics. trump filed another motion to dismiss today, this one says that the fbi destroyed evidence by not preserving exactly where the classified material was in proximity to nonclassified material and trump is arguing he didn t pack the boxes, he didn t know what was in there. how substantive is this? or, does it matter, is it just more delay, delay, delay? i think it is largely a delay tactic, but the hope is that they might get an evidentiary hearing, something big mentioned in the motion, they want a hearing to probe into how this was conducted, how the boxes were organized, this way whether or not there is something to whether there are allegations of bias or improper storage. on the merits, it s garbage. it has nothing to do with anything in terms of destruction of evidence, and it doesn t absolve trump of the idea that he willfully retained the documents. he knew he had them in 2022, when he turned stuff over to the archives. they told him, hey, there s classified documents in this stuff. they knew he had them over the course of the next year, talking to his lawyers telling him, turn them over. and the fbi kept funding stuff in what you are turning over. it will ultimately not change anything, but quite possibly with the way judge cannon handles things, it could drag it out just a little bit more. just a little bit more. we are now at the first anniversary of the mar-a-lago case, the grand jury and bob dikeman came down on june 8th, 2023. anyone s guess if we get to the second anniversary. bradley moss, thank you, sir, for your time tonight. have a good night. that is our show for this evening. now, it is time for the last word , with jonathan k part. lawrence o donnell come in for jonathan.
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offender. tonight, what today s verdict does and does not mean about the rule of law in america. everyone is saying, where is hunter? a two-tiered system of justice we have. and how we campaign led by a convict is vetting potential running mates. certainly like having committed a crime and the scandal that just won t end. i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag. tonight jamie raskin and aoc together on their push to get answers from the supreme court. can you tell us how the supreme court and specifically the chief justice have addressed these scandals? when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i am chris hayes. in a political era marked by a never-ending string of historic firsts, here is another today. a rare court decision that conservatives received with glee. hunter biden has been found guilty on all counts in his gun trial, federal trial in wilmington, delaware. hunter biden, the last living son of the sitting president was convicted today on three felony counts connected to lying on a federal firearms application in 2018 by not disclosing his struggles with drug addiction. he had that gun for 11 days. hunter biden now faces 25 years in prison and his father, president joe biden, did not blast the case as a crooked witchhunt. he did not target the prosecutors, the judge and the jurors, some of whom called into major news shows to discuss the verdict with no fears for their safety in this high-profile case. president biden did not shake his fist at the justice system. he put up this statement. as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride. as i also said last week, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. i have to say i find that genuinely touching. his love of family. also respect of the process. it is an incredibly stark contrast to the ceaseless barrage of absolutely unhinged authoritarian histrionics we all witnessed last month. remember? not just donald trump, but the entire republican party. all of the people dressing up like donald trump who went to the courthouse so he will pick them to be vice president. all of them basically calling to tear down the entire judicial system or casting aspersions on new york jurors or the judge or the prosecutor. everyone. all because their nominee got caught falsifying business records and was convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts. this was a rigged trial by a convicted judge who was corrupt. a disgrace. this is like a soviet style thing. show me the person and i will show you the crime. this was a political smear job. this is what you see in banana republics. this is the most outrageous travesty i ve ever seen. this is a justice system that hunts republicans while protecting democrats. this was a hoax, a sham. do we want to become a country where we try to jail are political opponents? what do you think the party affiliation of hunter biden is? and so this hunter biden conviction is as clear a moment of contrast as possible between the two major coalitions, the major parties in the country today. what it illustrates is that one party, under donald trump, and this is important, has placed itself outside the american constitutional order, while the other is trying to defend and uphold it. that was clear as day on january 6, but particularly in the aftermath there was palpable were among republicans. lots of them talking about how horrified they were and resigning from the administration and all of that. and there was a sense the party wanted to distance themselves from trump s lawlessness. that was then. today they are fully united as a party in opposition to the constitution. an attitude by one of the most powerful conservatives you ve never heard of. he wrote portions of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch and a trump presidency. the washington post identified him as a potential chief of staff. he lays out his vision for a post-constitutional presidency to turn the government into a flatly authoritarian project or failing that, just a mafia style. disease more control of the justice department and assert power to withhold congressional appropriations and that is just on trump s first day back in office. meanwhile democrats are not just making statements of faith, they have taken real actions to preserve those institutions and their independence. no better example of this is the prosecution of hunter biden. remember how this started? okay, back in 2018 under david weiss, the u.s. attorney trump appointed in delaware, the fbi probed hunter biden. there were subpoenas, but there were no charges and remember, trump grew angry that his justice department had not publicized the investigation into his opponents son during the 2020 election. after trump lost the election, republicans insisted president biden would obstruct justice to keep his son free and they called for a special counsel to investigate. when a new president comes and it is his right to replace any u.s. attorney they want. they usually do. biden replaced all of trump s appointees except for two. who bill barr had test to investigate the russia probe. and david weiss, who was investigating his own son. that is because the new president, at the pains of a possible criminal conviction of his surviving son in recovery, wanted no appearance of impropriety or interference and infect biden s attorney general merrick garland went a step further and appointed weiss as special counsel to make sure his work on the hunter biden case was truly independent. that was a move that republicans opposed. the house judiciary committee writing, david weiss can t be trusted. this is just a new way to whitewash the biden family corruption. after all that an appeal deal was worked out with hunter biden and ultimately rejected by the courts. weiss ended up charging the president son for an offense so rarely prosecuted that even trey gowdy, the former congressman and prosecutor, could scarcely believe it. i did gun prosecutions for six years. i went after convicted felons. i went after people who were fugitives from justice. i went after lots of different people who were prohibited from possessing a firearm, but i bet there were not 10 cases prosecuted nationwide of addicts or unlawful drug users who possess firearms or lied on applications. i bet there weren t a dozen, which makes you wonder of all the cases you could be pursuing in delaware, why are you pursuing this one? all of this was facilitated by democrats in the white house and department of justice and capitol hill to restore faith in equal justice under the law and the norms of the constitutional order. donald trump flagrantly violated the law, interfering with the department of justice. stewing when he could not interfere further. publicly calling for prosecutions. you may have forgotten that months into his presidency troubles calling federal prosecutors and cultivating relationships with them, including the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. and obama holdover who was overseeing the investigation into stock trades made by trump s health secretary. he said those calls made him uncomfortable and he was fired as u.s. attorney less than a day after he finally refused to take a call from president trump. the administration would later tell propublica, trump s personal attorney bragged about getting him fired with reportedly telling trump, this guy is going to get you. the former united states attorney for the southern district of new york joins me now. an interesting study in contrast over the past few weeks. what strikes you about the reaction? when you think about the biden family and how joe biden in particular thinks about his job and not just his job, but his family. upon a conviction or before the conviction, the arrest and indictment of his son, given what his family has been through, you would think every fatherly instinct would ve been to protect him. if you are a father, and i know you are, you love your children more than you love yourself. you try to protect them from harm and you try to protect them from bad consequences. the biden family has suffered lots of bad things as a family and yet there are some things more important than that when you are the commander in chief and basically the president of the country and one of those things is that no one is above the law and the rule of law matters. here is an occasion as you were playing out in the intro, where joe biden had absolute authority. literal authority. he had no authority over robin bragg and did not direct the prosecution of donald trump. it is his justice department. he had the authority to direct people not to prosecute his son. he could have fired the special counsel. he could have directed the special counsel not be appointed in the first place. he could have pardoned his son preemptively. all of that conduct, given that it is his son, it kind of makes you pause and think about ton about how unbelievable that is. in a million years, if the shoe were on the other foot and donald trump was facing his son being prosecuted, by me if i had been held over. a biden holdover prosecutor, not in a million years with that have happened. some of the people on the right, the people who support donald trump, are trying to cast this as some clever program by which this actually proves they yes. i will say it is outlandish imagining don junior getting in trouble with guns and drugs, but stephen miller said this. the gun charges are a misdirection and an easy opt to sell to a quiet media that is also willing to be duped. this is about protecting joe biden and only joe biden. no matter what happens, right, the corrupt deep system is deeper than you realized. if every possible outcome, every possible permutation is arguably a point in your favor, maybe your position is terrible. i used a different word than terrible. honestly i don t even think he was required to keep david weiss on in delaware. honestly, when i say bend over backwards, that is bending over it would have been perfectly reasonable to replace him. obviously it would not be reasonable to say wink wink, nagy nudge. but if you say do your thing. by the way some other features are important to point out and you mentioned some in the intro. the jury verdict came out. they did not dox the jury or attack the judge. he did not say this is a witch hunt. he said what people say. what i used to say when i was u.s. attorney for 7 1/2 years. you win some and you lose some. we say we respect the verdict of the jury. completely opposite to what donald trump said. it was striking. after that trump verdict, i remember judge kaplan in the federal civil trial with e. jean carroll told the jurors, look, you can talk to the press if you want. i would advise you not to. in alvin bragg s case they did not and i think we all know the reason. they would expose themselves to harassment and possible threats and violence. here you had the jurors talking to us, which, great, am a reporter. i like it, but what a contrast. it is a very stark contrast and i think it goes to show that when joe biden and his supporters talk about the rule of law and nobody being above the law, they mean it. you can disagree with joe biden s policies and talk about the border and all of these things that are not in my bailiwick, but on the question of whether or not the rule of law is to be enforced and no favor given to anyone, including the son of a sitting president of the united states. the republicans are full of it on trump side and biden is not. he has walked the walk. my final question for you is about independence in the department of justice. we have a post mix in order. one of the things about nixon and the reckoning at a level of regulation, norms, and that schuetz was the department of justice can t just be a tool in the hands of the executive to pursue vendetta to prosecute and punish enemies to protect friends. the trump vision is exactly that and in fact, explicitly that. they really think we are going to come in and it is going to be like day one, go open an investigation on that person, prosecute them. what they have accused everyone else of doing. there is a great irony. one of the cases pending against donald trump, the mar-a-lago documents case in federal court in florida, donald trump steam has made a number of motions to dismiss the indictment. one of those is vindictive prosecution. there is no evidence that joe biden or anyone else directed the investigation and prosecution and indictment. by saying the things they are saying now that you are pointing out, donald trump is ironically laying out the foundation for a vindictive prosecution motion to dismiss on behalf of all the current people donald trump will be going after. he is announcing his plans before election. all of those statements and those plans, project 20/25 and everything else, will be chapter and verse and asking for those dismissals of those indictments. coming up, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and jamie raskin on the litany of scandals rocking the supreme court, but first, what we are learning about donald trump s rude awakening from the justice system, next. system, next. shop etsy anytime for furniture, lighting, and other thoughtful pieces made by real people to bring a little something extra to the ordinary. find handmade items that add wow to your walls, help your party set-up pop, and new things to help you fall in love with your family room again. when you want 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crime, is often on job applications. it is the subject of campaigns to get rid of it, to help former convicts get jobs and reenter society. that question is apparently still part of the vetting of trump s vice presidential pick, where it seems only one member of the ticket gets to be a felon. they asked us for a number of things. i think a number of people have been asked to submit this and that. like your taxes or something? criminal background? have you committed a crime? have you ever lied about this? certainly you have those conversations. he extensively covered trump world including his recent reporting on the juror. it is interesting to watch folks who don t know this and to watch the various implications of being convicted of a felony and all the different types of regulations and things you cannot do. in some states it is disenfranchisement, voting, liquor licenses and the like. being a person of color and a former prosecutor, i am unmoved by these newfound epiphanies on the right with respect to the reality of life in america if you are a convicted felon. one thing i find to be particularly interesting is how the right is scrambling to rearrange the narrative of what it is to be a felon. think of this for a moment. you re talking about the party that planted its flag on the notion of law and order in america, now having to walk out and say it is politically advantageous for our candidate to have 34 convictions on his record. this is a narrative they are not going to be able to square, but it is funny to watch them try. he invited in the bronx on stage, folks who are facing charges for a broad conspiracy with people that includes moving heavy drugs and violent crime. very serious, gnarly stuff. and has them on the stage like hey, this is our thing now. let s be clear, you are talking about whether someone is an associate of new orleans. an associate of felons. the list is long. i think they are trying to be like, it is actually good we are felons and they don t actually believe that. it s amazing how much the tough on crime philosophy falls by the wayside when it is the racist game show hosts turn in the barrel. donald trump and his minions talk day in and day out about a two-tiered system of justice. he is correct that one does exist in this country, it is just he is at this tier and everyone else s at this tier. so many things no other defendant could get away with. including the judge and all that stuff, he would have been put in jail for sure. absolutely and now behind the scenes and in the open he and his maga brain trust are getting ready to exploit parts of the u.s. criminal code to go after alvin bragg, letitia james, jack smith, if he returns to power in 2025. some of this is being cooked up behind the scenes and policy papers, but so much is being done in the open. you ve also got them moving to get alvin bragg before a committee. he will testify with the gop led judiciary committee. one question i had about all of this, does any of this matter in the process that trump was going through? no, it does not. you don t think it matters, talking about it is all rigged? does that matter for sentencing? donald trump s public rhetoric absolutely matters. i thought you were referring to alvin bragg going to capitol hill, which is something i think he should not do. with respect to the things donald trump is parroting in the dialogue around his case, that matters. one of the things the probation officer is going to take into account is what degree of understanding and remorse do you have? i screwed up, i m sorry. exactly. to walk in his office and say that when you have every opportunity with the microphone in front of your face. you ve reported on this and this has been going around the house republican leaders are privately gauging support for legislation that would let current and former presidents move a state case to federal court. have you heard any of that? we reported in rolling stone at the end of last month that trump had been personally calling around to different conservative allies, including republican lawmakers on capitol hill, to lobby them. when i m back in office, wouldn t it be great if you passed legislation that is ready for me to sign to have former and current presidents be able to move their cases to federal court. again, i think they are getting high on their own supply. i feel like that is a bad bill to vote for. for a front-line republican member. right? i m not crazy. if you are a maga lawmaker, certainly there is a cute appeal to it. it is not only moderate republicans on capitol hill saying maybe we shouldn t do this. i ve spoken to cronies who are close to donald trump who have told me maybe we should not go down this route because don t we want to use state a.g. s and conservative district attorneys to go after joe biden or hillary clinton? yes, the principal applying equally would hang them up. there is back and forth about the gun situation, charles. i m sure you have encountered this. what does the law say about whether he can keep the gun in florida? in your crime. he more likely than not will need to turn the gun in in florida. he is going to have a grace period where that is allowed. well technically he might be in violation of the law upon notice of conviction, he is probably going to be allowed but it does not surprise me he has to turn it in in florida. there is an incredible thing happening which is the hunter biden conviction was about a felony conviction. he lied on forms. committing a felony in terms of taking drugs and owning a gun. so he lied on the forms. now we have the ex-president holding a gun, having been convicted of a felony. a remarkable set of circumstances. charles coleman, asawin suebsaeng, thank you both. still to come, samuel alito s wife has more thoughts about flags, amazingly. aoc and jamie raskin on the supreme court legitimacy crisis, ahead. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i ll never miss a day of 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the opposite of pride. the alito s have not responded to requests for comment but none of what ms. alito said change the facts that justice alito allowed this to fly over his home while he sits in the highest court in the land hearing cases related to the insurrection on january 6 and sits on the court with his buddy clarence thomas whose wife was interviewed by the committee about her text with donald trump s chief of staff. both refused to recuse themselves, despite the obvious appearance of bias. when faced with an increasingly urgent question, what can be done about the out-of-control court? today democrats held a roundtable on the ethical crisis in the supreme court. i should note that one of the expert legal witnesses there was my wife. leading the panel was jamie raskin, the ranking member of the oversight committee and newark congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, the vice ranking member, and they join me now. it is good to have you on. thanks for having us. i will start with you and what the agenda was today. obviously you can t call hearings yourself as a ranking member and not the chair, but what were you trying to do today? oversight democrats wanted to respond to the national clamor over this crisis of legitimacy at the supreme court. so we analyzed the ethics crisis. we analyzed the political crisis around what got us into this and the blockaded confirmations of people like merrick garland, nominated by president obama to the court, and then we began to talk about what things could be done in the specific case of justices alito and thomas and generally about the ethical collapse of the supreme court. it is the highest court in the land with the lowest ethical standards. the only government officials in the land who are not governed by a binding ethics code. there is no process by which we can hold any of them accountable, so it violates the essential principle that james madison identified as the heart of our justice system. which is that no man can be a judge in his own cause. so we began to explore different avenues of holding them accountable. congresswoman, you said something toward the end of the hearing that it cannot be the case as a constitutional matter, as an almost intuitive commonsense matter, that they are not subject to any checks. we have three branches. checks and balances move between the positions and justice alito said in the wall street journal interview that congress has no ability to regulate us whatsoever. what should congress be doing? what are you brainstorming basically? what is the conversation about what those can be? of course justice alito s position is laughable in this. this idea that he can be and that the court should be accountable to nobody and that the only person they should be accountable to our themselves. this kind of scouts promise sort of set up for how we should be having ethics standards for the highest and most consequential court in the land. it is completely unacceptable and not only is it unacceptable but to have anyone of our coequal branches be completely unaccountable to the others is paving the path to authoritarianism, tyranny, the abuse of power in the united states. it is structurally, completely unsustainable. so it is not a question of if congress has jurisdiction and power over the supreme court. it is what power are we going to exercise in order to reign in a fundamentally unaccountable and rogue court? one of the beautiful things about today s roundtable is we were also able to call in one of our senate colleagues, senator whitehouse, who has been pursuing extensive investigations into the dark money network that has been exerting influence over the court and we raised and discussed varying measures from term limits to an actual binding ethics standard and also congressman raskin and myself will be introducing forthcoming legislation to even have the supreme court be subject to the same $50 gift rule that he and i are subject to, as are everyone else who are members of congress. that is a great point. my understanding, i was talking to my wife, kate shaw, about this. to give testimony during the hearing. she pointed out to me if i am not mistaken that things, for instance, you can get a book deal as a supreme court justice. that is allowed. but you could not like to be a partner that is something that congress passed a statute to say what you could and could not do, because obviously it would be nuts to be a supreme court justice and have a side gig as a lawyer. we all understand that. congress can pass statutes that say this activity is just not allowed. congress has a ban on outside employment and as aoc was saying, we have a $50 gift ban, so none of us goes anywhere near doing that. you don t do $500,000 vacations? that s the comical thing. members of congress don t even understand that. under what circumstance would a supreme court justice be accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars in foreign travel were paid tuition for family members or a recreational vehicle, motor stagecoach? it is outlandish for us to complicate to contemplate. it is like the normal business as usual at the supreme court that they are collecting millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars from their so-called friends. we need to clean that up. we said we will start with something simple that the whole country will be able to understand immediately and intuitively. we want a $50 gift ban. they make $300,000 a year. pay for your own lunch and pay for your own vacation. that does seem quite clear, congresswoman, and also has the advantage again. there are particular issues to deal with, but in some ways the only way to legislate it or for congress to act is outlining broad principles that are equally applicable. absolutely and as all of us as public servants, whether it is both chambers of congress, any of us are subject to the same or similar uniform code of ethics and the fact that the supreme court, which is already unelected, at least for those of us who run for office we have to re-run for office every two years in the house. for an unelected body of nine people, appointed for life, to not have any sort of binding, strict ethics code to which they cannot only be held accountable, but which can be enforced, is actually ludicrous. and it is almost unbelievable that we are sitting here in the year 2024, over 200 years after the establishment of this country, and that we actually have not addressed this issue. it is long past doing and it is common sense. one of the things we addressed, chris, was how the private corruption of the justices mirrors the public corruption of justice. it is this roberts court, this right-wing court dismantling civil rights laws, civil liberties, women s rights to choose, labor law, consumer law, you name it. as they grow more and more removed from the experiences of the way the rest of us live, the more they are willing to demolish the protections. the there are a bunch of things that happened outside of the ap purview that you have to do with equal justice under law and i wonder if both of you would stick around to talk ul about that, is that all right? 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i mean, it was very presidential and, you know, he showed in his statement love for his son and love for his country including the rule of law. the different reactions between a republican colleagues and our democratic colleagues with the trump verdict and hunter biden verdict, it is just astounding. nobody on our side said that the fix was in, nobody said that it was a travesty, nobody said that the justice needs to be turned upside down. everybody accepted it. hunter biden, like donald trump, had the right of counsel which you exercise, you have the presumption of innocence, he had the right to take the stand which he chose not to do like donald trump chose not to take the stand and they have both had unanimous jury verdicts finding that they were guilty on all counts. so i am saying about that what i said about donald trump s verdict which is, they have a right to appeal and they can do that under due process, thank god we have got that in america. and we are going to stand by the rule of law and the system of justice, for the same reason that we are fighting for a supreme court that restores its integrity and reputation because we need to have that kind of confidence, not just at the trial level in federal court or state court. we need to have it going all the way up. those of supreme court justices are just a complete runaway body. speaking of state court in new york, congresswoman, obviously you represent part of new york, there was a huge amount of insults and vitriol that has been directed at alvin bragg both from donald trump on down and people carrying water for him, that has now escalated. he will now he is being called by the house republicans before the judiciary committee and be grilled by house republicans who have rallied behind mr. trump since his conviction last month. gop lawmakers are perpetuating his false narrative that president biden ordered his prosecution. what you think about the fact that they are not escalating to the point where they will call alvin bragg before congress? what we are seeing here unseld is an outright abuse of power in the politicization of the seats of power these republicans hold in order to intimidate the courts and exact political revenge. we have to just look at this from a basic jurisdictional point of view. alvin bragg is not even this is not even a federal case in the same way. we are looking at a state court. and we are looking at municipal and state courts and we have republicans who are trying to haul them in, on what grounds exactly? this is not federal court, they do not have jurisdiction over it, this is truly just and attempt at public targeting. and we see that they do this, this is in the middle of donald trump, it is in the model of invoking and trying to incite as much anger and intimidation in order for them to get the outcomes that they want. they are so eager to be fans to donald trump that their political judgment is off because that is not where the public is and the public understands, with the hunter biden verdict in the donald trump verdict, the rule of law is just working and they are intervening, as you say, and an estate case in order simply to placate donald trump pics to precisely, what we are also seeing here is the stark contrast between joe biden and donald trump. and in president biden, we have both come yes, a loving father who is there to be supportive of his son, but also a president who respects rule of law and is willing to accept the outcomes of the case even if that outcome is not in favor with his family or his personal outcomes. whereas, you have donald trump who takes and finances the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign, a political intimidation, in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. and that at the core is part of the sticks of our democracy that are before us today. because once rule of law goes out the window, it is not something that is easy to get back and it is very much a part of the decision that we have to make before us in the next few months. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, congressman jamie raskin, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts now. we have new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren winsor has given us and we will be playing that in the hour, so stay tuned. i will pick like i said, exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover