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greater culture war in my book than the notion that we're going to rack up $31 trillion in debt. >> that's true. >> on a credit card and dump it on our children and grandchildren. you know, republicans are up against a crazed party, lunatics, who -- and, you know, just over the last week, we were listening to iyonna presley talk about, in religious terms, the importance of racking up trillions of more debt to dump on her children and grandchildren. >> charlie let me just ask you do you think there's more that could have been done here right now? do you think mccarthy could have gotten a better deal? >> no, i think this is a tremendous accomplishment for the house leadership given the very difficult numbers that they're facing. that said, i also think the house republicans have a stronger hand than i think a lot of people give them credit for. when they come up with a bill, a spending bill, that's the starting point, that's supposed to be the starting point. the reason the founders wanted the house to start all taxation

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congressmen, they are ready to blow up this entire deal despite being just days from default. >> this deal fails, fails completely. and that's why these members and others will be absolutely opposed to the deal and we will do everything in our power to stop it and end it now. >> tomorrow's bill is a bunch of fake news and fake talking points that will do nothing to reign in out of control federal spending. >> in good conscious should support this. >> not one republican should vote for this deal. it is a bad deal. >> not only are republicans becoming deeply divided on this but there are even thefts to oust mccarthy as speaker because of the deal he made with biden. joining me now is texas congressman chip roy and by ronned donald both members of the freedom caucus both against

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me finish. we did all that because we were unified and working together. that broke down this week. that's my point. we need to regroup leadership needs to sit dunn and bring us back to the table so we don't do exactly what they did this weekend. the limit save grow act however would have been an extraordinary bill to leave sitting outlet right through this weekend because joe biden was in a box. he was up against the ropes and we should have held him there and gotting more for the american people than a spending freeze for $4 trillion. >> i don't know how much more you could have gotten. kevin mccarthy negotiated up to the last second. i take your point though. congressman donald, hakeem jeffries, he had some words about so-called maga republicans apparently are the problem. let's listen to what hakeem jeffries had to say. >> we're not interested in political gainsmanship we're interested in avoiding a catastrophic default. unfortunately you have far too many extreme maga republicans here playing an inside game as opposed to doing what is right

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when the progressive caucus may not be against this bill, they may say we're in. >> kayleigh republicans have to quit defining themselves by just what are liberals against. we have to figure out what's conservative and just go get it. not just once, we have to go get it week in and week out. here's what i know, here's what's conservative, cutting $2 trillion worth of spending the next few years, clawing back $29 billion worth of covid funds some of which would have gone to china, unlocking american energy and putting americans back to work. if jayapal wants to vote for that, listen jayapal welcome to the party those are conservative wins and i'm for them. >> it doesn't take us back to pre co-individuals but i do take the political realities of the moment. congressman thank you very much >> you just heard from both sides of the argument from multiple congressmen and don't get me wrong, debate, that is a good thing, but this is becoming

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a constant with republicans it seems. why is it always feeling like we are on the defensive and we have fractures in our caucus? democrats are always united sitting back eating popcorn, republicans are battling with each other. this isn't how it's supposed to be. joining me now is victor davis hns senior fellow and char live hurt washington times editor and fox news contributor. victor i always love hearing your take, it does often feel like we're to defensive but i don't think this moment will define an election, i think we'll get through this just fine but what are your thoughts. >> well, i mean, republicans, they're going over the cliff and they're arguing but how did we speed toward the cliff? i mean, the republican party, we've lost 7 out of the last 8 popular votes. and we haven't won 51% of a presidential election since 1988. and this is at a time when we've won 1400 seats, local and state, under the obama administration.

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and then to get furious and go crazy because we have the democrats carry that legacy. and the bush administration, the obama administration, the trump administration and now biden is outdoing them all, but republicans have to, at some point, say we are going to be fiscally responsible when we have all control of government and i hope we will do that in 2024. >> i certainly hope so. i mean the future of our country depends on it charlie. >> it does. >> i do wonder, you know, and you mentioned this actually earlier about the culture wars, they call them the culture wars but i feel like this debt limit debate distracts from some of the bigger things going on in our country charlie, transitioning kids at a young age, pornography in kindergarten classrooms the school shootings we see across the country, these are things republicans should be talking about not fighting battles we can't win if we don't have united government, we just can't win them. >> yeah. well, of course, there's no

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earlier in politico, you were talking to glenn beck and you according politico issued perhaps the closest to motion to vacate threat of the speaker and you said then we have to regroup and figure out the whole leadership arrangement again if the bill passes. are you threatening to try to oust the speaker? >> look, kayleigh, what i was talking about there to be very specific, we have very successful for five months because of what we did in january to realign the way the republican conference operates. and kevin mccarthy worked in good faith along with the entire leadership team with us to vance i think one of the more successful five months we've had as republicans. we kind of shocked the world bypassing limit save grow act an extraordinary bill that would have responsibly raised the debt ceiling with an actual path to fiscal responsibility. hr two to secure the border that border security bill was never passed. >> i agree it was a good bill but how do you get that through the senate? >> yeah, well, first of all, let

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control, one half of one-third of government. and yet here we are with the largest ever spending reduction in american history. kayleigh, i have to say this you and i have seen plenty of debt ceiling deals in the past. did republicans ever get anything for those? even when we had unified control over the white house, the senate and the house, did we ever get a deal this good? cutting deals like this are not easy. we've managed to do it. and, i get it, the white house is going to put a happy face on it, but you are going to see the vast majority of republicans vote for this deal tomorrow. i'm going to vote for $2 trillion in cuts, i don't know what byron and championship are going to vote for. >> okay, but you do also, i want to point out the progressive caucus, jayapal was on a press call and said she had a very good conversation about this deal, makes some changes you can see as positive. they won't be upset if a majority of democrats support this. so how can this be conservative

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biggest reforms to welfare since 1996. listen, we didn't get into this mess overnight, we're not going to be able to get out of it overnight. i've just got to tell my friends chicago and byron, gang let's take $2 trillion in savings, go do the same thing next week, and next month and next year. let's stay at it. >> congressman johnson the white house economic advisor was asked about your comments today and let's listen to what he say. >> dusty johnson is describing it as a remarkable conservative accomplishment. you disagree. is it a remarkable democrat accomplishment or corp. compromise. >> a good fair deal if a divided government that preserves a strong set of progressive accomplishments over the past 2.5 years. >> how can something be a con sieve accomplishment and a progressive one? they're opposite after all. >> i don't know. maybe the white house is engaged in a little bit of spin. republicans control, barely

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