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out of this? what do we get out of this? these are competitors of ours. and they're economic competitors are above ours. what are we getting? there are so many places where we can cut because we have the massive deficits. we have now it's really 19 trillion. i've been saying 18 trillion. now it's $18 trillion that we owe. we owe china, think of this, 4 $1.4 trillion. we owe japan money. i say that's like a magic act. how do we owe them money? they say everything from us and on open of it, we owe them all of this money. so there are so many places, jon, that we can tut that people aren't even talking about, that other candidates don't even know about. i'm very proud of the immigration situation. by bringing it up, you know i took a lot of heat first couple weeks. boy did i take -- your friend rush limbaugh, said trump endured more incoming, first time i heard that talking about
immediately or trying to negotiate a better deal without any of the sanctions that we have in place right now is just not going to work. so we've got to implement this deal to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon. >> jon meachum? >> congressman, to what extent does your own military experience form that opinion? >> it's fundamental to why i'm here in the first place, why i ran for congress. and absolutely my experience in iraq and actually facing iranian weapons influences my views. we have to do everything we can to stop this regime. the number one priority is to stop them from getting a nuclear weapon. after we approve this deal, we keep up the pressure on them. they have american hostages. they violate human rights on a daily basis. and they're international sponsors of terrorism much that's all possible under the deal. that very important for people to remember. this is not about some nixon opening to china where we're
do you have a good answer? >> no, i don't. >> that's all. >> look, i think jon got to the point of what is the big deal with this politically which is i think the clintons kind of like sort of this sort of debating about whether or not it was classified or not, what the level was. the bigger question is why did you do this? that's the answer that will unsettle those -- >> why does one need to do this? coming up, who else would "time" pick to be on the cover this week? we'll look at the new issue and get the back story on this photo. "morning joe" is back in a moment. ♪ are you moving forward fast enough? everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy. and a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path created by people, technology and ideas. to move your company from what it is now...
fry. your brother must be a brilliant guy. >> george is bringing three friends. he is going to be there. >> he wants to bring more. >> he wants to bring more. i told him eight was a little too much. let's go jon meachum in new york. >> what surprised you the most become a candidate as opposed to being a -- someone who is flirting with the idea? >> well, i've had a lot of pleasant surprised. i met great people. i met tremendous enthusiasm. my theme is make america great again. i even copyrighted it. i said you can't use it, it's copyright. i can't believe i got the copyright. i guess i have a good lawyer. that's what i do. >> that's a lot of billable hours. you know what? i gained a lot of respect for
ultimate compliment when you get attacked and people go down. i assume they would go up to be honest with you. but they both went down. they got tremendous air time in the attacks. >> it's a compliment. jon meachum is with us from nashville. >> i'm curious, besides books you've written, are there some important political biographies that you have engaged with in the past years that are helping you as you think about what's going on right now? >> well, jon, i always found anything having to do with abraham lincoln fascinating. i found, you know, many, many -- i will read anything about lincoln. i just found the whole era fabulous. i studied it. i like it. you learn from it. but i found him to be a fascinating guy. very complex person. you know, i -- i gave an answer
appreciate me comparing him to donald trump. but in a sense the strong, larger than life -- i remember growing up a conservative and looking at liberals. they were always wimps and apologizing. and then out came mario cuomo. 'pollingized for nothing. that's why i love bobby kennedy so much much he is a liberal that was tough. frank rich when he wrote for the "new york times," he's tough. >> i think today we heard donald trump in the same sentence with jack kennedy, arnold schwarzenegger and now mario cuomo. >> hey, heilman? deal with it. >> we're now talking about trump and the context of -- >> liberal and conservative. >> titans. jon meachum, what does very in common with all those people? bigger than life. no apologize and transcends politics. >> i think the compare and