on russian territory with us supplied-weapons speaking ahead of the cuban naval visit vladimir putin warned of a possible russian response the easley and you put enough today in the worst supply weapons to the zone of combat operations and call for the use of these weapons against our territory. then why do we not have the right to do the same? to mirror these actions? i m not ready to say that we ll do it tomorrow, but we of course, should think about it elsewhere. moscow has been stepping up tactical nuclear drills to staging exercises with neighboring belarus near the ukrainian border. russian tactical nukes delivered from either ground or air can level entire cities for their the kremlin insists it has no plans at this stage to use the matthew chance cnn moscow thanks to matthew tonight. and thanks to you, of course, as always, for being with us ac30 60 with anderson begins right now tonight on 360. what happens now that the president s son is a convicted felon and why supporters of the convicted felon who is running for president are still complaining about the criminal justice system keeping them honest. also, a cnn exclusive course award goes inside a searing detention camp. were families, vices, fighters are being held and some fear the next generation may be being born. plus we have breaking news tonight. a bus hijacking, a chase and the deadly discovery at the end of it. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep them honest with three facts about hunter biden s conviction today and wilmington, delaware on federal gun charges. the first is the human impact. it must have on a family that has certainly known tragedy, including a car crash that killed hunter biden s mom and baby sister, the death to brain cancer of his brother beau, and his own descendance itself, destruction by crack cocaine in a moment, ronald reagan s daughter, patty davis joins us to talk about her own struggles with addiction. the second fact is that despite efforts to paint his trial as a counterpart to or even the equivalent of of donald trump s new york trial. unlike the former president a hunter biden is not running for anything. the third fact is the one thing they actually do have in common in each the guilty verdict was rendered by 12 men and women who heard the evidence and seem to have set aside any preconceptions they might have had going in as one biden juror told cnn today, politics played no part in their deliberations, nor did testimony about the degree of biden s addiction, which he described as heart-wrenching. the verdict was unanimous. and just like in new york, there s every indication the criminal justice system worked and continues to beyond that, nearly everything surrounding the two trials and their aftermath is a study in contrast, starting with how egypt defendant reacted to the verdict. quoting now from hunter biden statement, thanking his wife and others. i m more grateful today for the love and support i experiences last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am desert appointed by the outcome. he goes on to say recovery is possible by the grace of god and i am blessed to experience that give one de at a time by contrast, here are some where the former president has said after his conviction this was done by the biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent and i think it s just disgrace. but this was a rig decision right from day one, with a conflicted judge should have never been allowed to try this case, never well, he said as much over and over and so have republican lawmakers before, during and after the trial with a special focus on attacking the justice department and the criminal justice system every single person involved in this prosecution is practically a democratic political operative. this was not criminal justice. this was politics. the entire thing is political. it s political warfare, scam trial. this is a scam. it is a sham, sham of a trial sham convictions joe biden s two tier in injustice system while. keeping them on as they re talking about the justice department at which had nothing to do with the trump trial, which is currently prosecuting a democratic senator and congressmen and just oversaw the conviction of the president s only surviving son. and the president s reaction quoting him now, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process. as hunter considers an appeal, jilin, i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that he also told abc news he d ruled out a pardon for his son let me ask you, will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes. by contrast, the former president is now talking repeatedly about using the justice department if he s reelected as a tool of vengeance i would have every right to go after them. and it s easy because it s joe biden and you see all the criminality, all of the money that s going into the family and in him, all of this money from china from russia, from ukraine as for republican lawmakers who decried trump s trial and conviction, consider house oversight chair james comer, who has been holding hearings and investigating the bidens for months, always claiming to have the goods, but always coming up empty he is sticking to his story, tweeting today until the department of justice investigates everyone involved in the bidens corrupt influence peddling schemes. it will be clear department officials continued to cover for the big guy, joe biden more now, on the actual verdict and the actual trial and what comes next from cnn s paula reid just 90 minutes after hunter biden s guilty verdict, cnn got incredible insight into the case from juror number ten, won big mistake from the defense, calling hunters daughter naomi, to testify. i felt i felt bad that they put naomi witness i i think that was probably a strategy that should not have been done no daughter should ever have to testify or again, sir, dad despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agreed that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors did agree that yes, he know on laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs although they all voted guilty, another juror, cnn spoke to off-camera question whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying, quote it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role in their decision. pressure, inviting never really even came in to play for me, his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that s when i that s when it kind of sunk and a little bit, but you kind of put that out of your mind. president biden released a statement after his son s verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal, hunter also issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome. in special counsel, david weiss made aware statement defending the case ultimately, this case was not just about addiction a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden s family this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction. his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and the choice to then possess that gun while it what else did did you hear from jurors understand? i was really interested to hear what they had to say about a possible sentencing for hunter biden then because the upper range for conviction on these offenses is potentially decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. so it s widely expected hunter biden wouldn t get anything anywhere near that. this is of course, a first-time offender, but juror number ten told us he doesn t think that hunter biden should get any prison time. another juror said that hunter needs rehab more than he needs imprisonment or a fine. and while the jury is weighing in on sentencing, it is ultimately actually for the judge should determine the sentence and we expect, while there is no sentencing date, now we expect it will be roughly 120 days after this verdict, which would fall in late. okay? tibur. so that s before election day, but likely after his next federal criminal trial, which is scheduled for early september out in los angeles i ll read thanks so much, paula, let s go next to the white house from cnn s kayla tausche with more and how the president and the first family are dealing with this moment. what s the reaction been from the white house for president biden? anderson president biden is approaching the situation first and foremost as a father in the statement released today, president biden saying, i am the president, but i m also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction, understand the feeling of pride seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery, the family greeted each other on the tarmac in delaware. this evening, hunter biden bracing members of white house staff and members of the security detail before the family then retreated to a nearby family home or they re going to be processing together what happens in the next chapter president biden has said that he will accept the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal and the biden reelection can and pain is telling allies that for them, it s going to be business as usual, the president gave a speech at a previously scheduled gun safety event after the verdict, which obviously is somewhat ironic, what did what did he say there? well, it was a fairly awkward confluence of events today. president biden finding out about that verdict just before this pre-planned event, where he was in this situation of a heralding a crackdown in gun violence and expected to tout a, drop in gun crime all while of these verdict had just come in, we knew that president biden was expected to announce more than 500 new charges brought by the department of justice on gun crimes in wake of his new bipartisan gun law that was passed and signed into law in 2022 instead, the president took a broader approach. instead praising the new tools prosecutors were given by that law. anderson kayla tausche, thanks, joining us now to people who ve worked with and no prison biden welsh and political commentators david axelrod and keep betting field also with retard federal judge johnny jones, the third and former federal prosecutor jessica raw, third, judge. let me start with you. does the verdict surprise util know the verdict didn t surprise me at all. anderson, i think the evidence was overwhelming and, what i thought was notable and picking up one, your lead, which i thought was spot on in both of these cases, you had judges want to state judge and the other a federal judge saying, among other things, you must follow the law 224 americans in these two cases, you must follow the law, whether you agree with it or not, and you re not to be concerned about the sentence that i may give if the defendant is convicted, clearly, it validates our system of justice because they did exactly that. jessica, how about you? i mean, any surprise and what kind of grounds? for appeal may there be? yeah. so i was not surprised by the verdict as the judge said, that the evidence really did seem to be overwhelming and the charges were pretty straightforward in terms of what the jury was being asked to find. i think the k is also highlights the limited role that we give to juries in our system. now, they re asked to apply the laws are instructed about the law to the facts and not to render an opinion in the courtroom about whether they think this was a wise prosecution or what they think is an appropriate punishment. i mean, they re really quite limited. it s not clear to me that there are strong grounds for appeal. i mean, there is a second amendment issue on whether or not the law that makes it a crime to possess a gun. if you are addicted to drugs drugs, whether that survives the second amendment challenge under the supreme court s current jurisprudence on that. but that would really only go to one of the three charges. and so it could be that there are some issues with respect to the evidence that was admitted, but that would be subject to harmless error review maybe there s an appellate issue about whether or not he was entitled to essentially the benefit of the plea agreement that he had reached with the special counsel that previously fell apart, but i don t see those as being particularly strong in david. i mean, you re since the verdict the impact it would have on the biden family and the white house. and i obviously on the campaign trail in the days ahead of any well, yeah. look, i think that s the important question anderson a couple of weeks ago and trump was convicted i said that i thought that really important question was not how it would affect voters directly, but how it would affect him in his behavior. and we ve seen his behavior become even more point until an angry since that conviction here this is such a devastating experience for the biden family to have gone through this week to have their families go through this people get into trouble. they go, but not under the glare of the spotlight. this and to have your dearest relatives on the stand and have to go through this has to be devastating to the present. kate would know this even more intimately than me, but i know how much this must hurt him and there must be some feeling of guilt because he is the reason there s a spotlight on the family and why they re travails are so much in the news. so the question is, how does it affect him? he s got a debate in two weeks he s dealing with multiple world issues right now and all the rigors of a campaign and how will he deal with it? i think is a big question. yeah. kate, we mentioned that the president promptly went to delaware to be with his son and again, the contrast between how the trump family approached the manhattan trial and how the biden family approach this trial has start how do you think this is going to impact the president? well, look, it is absolutely hard on him. he is a family man that you really cannot underestimate are under appreciate how close the biden family is, how much they lean on each other. i think it would be hard for any father to go through, not only the experience of this trial, of course, but obviously all that hunter is dealt with and dealing with addiction and things have happened when he was in the grip of addiction. so yes, of course it is personally hard for the president, but i would also note he s somebody who has shouldered a lot of personal tragedy and difficulty while also juggling being in public office, he lost his son, beau to brain cancer when he was vice president. obviously his as you mentioned at the top has his first wife and baby daughter were killed in a car crash just weeks after he was elected to the senate. so he has spent his entire life in public service shouldering challenges, difficulty holding his family close, but simultaneously executing the duties of the office isn t being able to put to put his work first two. so i think his resilience, i think will really be on display for people over the next few months. i think you saw a little bit today, frankly, when he was speaking at the gun safety event, he was lively. he was engaged. he was clearly talking with a lot of passion about the work he s done on gun safety and talking to them the crowd. so i think i think the american people are going to see a lot of resilience for him, but of course this is hard for him. it s hard for him and higher biden family, judge jones, what would you consider for a sentence on these convictions? and also with the idea in mind that he is facing a tax charge as well that s it potentially more worrisome for well, of course, the judge has to follow what are called the sentencing guidelines, which has my colleague knows are numbingly complicated, but the sentence needs to be sufficient, but not greater than necessary to fulfill the purposes of sentencing i think in this case, because he didn t brandished the gun, he didn t commit a crime of violence is on another crime associated with the purchase of very frankly, anderson over almost 20 years in the federal bench. i never had a stand alone case like this. this is really this actual charges or not something that s been tapped on. this is the pen a zebra case, if you will but i think in this case, there s a good argument for probation or with some kind of help remedial help counseling addiction treatment, and so forth. the real real peril comes with the tax charges because this counts as a conviction which has the it will in fact enhance any sentence that he gets if he s convicted at the tax charges. so there s that that s mandatory. that whatever the charges and this it impacts next, the get certain points for prior convictions. and then of course that case is driven in part by the amount of the tax fraud as well, which escalates the sentencing exposure. that s where he really is in jeopardy of going to prison. i don t think this case so much. david, what do you sitting republicans who were insisting tonight, the justice system is being weaponized again the foreign president, even though president biden s own son was just convicted in federal court and you ve got to menendez case and another congressman yeah, that s really complicated for them for that reason. and remember, yeah, you ve got senator menendez on trial right now. congressman cuellar awaiting trial right now. it just puts the light of the the idea that there s this weaponized justice department of justice department has nothing to do with the manhattan da s office, but it s also complicated for them because they have become so zealot zealous about the second amendment that they don t quite know how to talk about. this. so they re all shifting. and the thing that they re doing, anderson is this whole, the mantra and they all move as one. is this biden crime family thing because really what s at play here is they re strategy is to try and say everybody is corrupt, that everybody is swimming in the same murky waters that donald trump is no different than joe biden. and that voters should discount the fact that donald trump is a convicted felon and has some other major cases pending against him. so i think you re gonna see a lot of that. what congressman comer said today, chairman comer was really disgraceful as you pointed out he has been rolling out this cannon periodically. he lights the fuse and every time a flag comes out that says pop. and there s nothing there. and so if they ve got evidence of a crime maybe they should share it with people instead of just talking about it. and i think they don t because they don t in cape person biden and the foreign president obviously have their first debate on cnn june 27th. are you concerned about trump getting under the president skin by invoking hunter biden. he obviously tried it when they debated in 2020 yeah, he tried in 2020 and it really backfired on him. i mean, i can tell you that the data that we saw on the biden campaign after that first debate, where no trump really wound up and tried to come at hunter. was that what people remembered from that debate was joe biden defending his son, talking about his love for his son relating to when people all across the country who ve had dealt with family members and friends who ve suffered from addiction. so it was actually a very relatable moment that really connected joe biden to people across the country. so i think 44 joe biden, he should certainly expect that donald trump is going to come at him with this on the stage. we know that trump s going to try and throw everything he can it biden to get under his skin. but we ve also seen that this is a failing political argument. trump has tried to make it stick for five years. it hasn t, and it ultimately winds up being an opportunity for people to see joe biden s humanity. and that s very moving and power. david axelrod. thank you, judge jones. jessica roth, as well, coming up next, former first daughter, patty day hey, miss her own struggle with addiction and her thoughts about the verdict and later cnn s clarissa ward is exclusive look inside a syrian detention camp are women and children 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and the pain, all of it inflicts on families being in the public eye are being the child of public figures to add still more complications. my next guest, patty davis knows this well. she is, of course the daughter, of former president reagan and nancy reagan and a new york times op-ed, she writes this about the biden case. it might sound naive and the escaping le, partisan times, but it would be nice if the rest of us or even most of bus could look at how sad this story is. how a man with a loving, supportive family and every advantage and opportunity still fell into the roiling abyss of drug addiction and couldn t stop swimming around in this dark waters. petty davis writes about her own experiences in dear mom and dad, a letter about family memory and the america we once knew thank you so much for being with us. your essay. it was so lovely and to your point in the op-ed, i mean, do you think basic humanity and empathy are? possible in this hyper-partisan moment, the country is in well, i mean, on some days i think it s not possible some days i think it s extinct but i think we have to keep looking for that and we have to keep reaching for it. and i think even some of the comments from the jurors expressed sympathy and compassion for hunter because this is at its root. this is not this story about a hunter biden is not a political story. i don t even think really at its right. it s a crime story, even though he was convicted of some crimes but i think at its root, it is a very sad story about addiction and a disastrous choices that attics make the ripple effects of those choices in families lives and over over time, i mean, obviously this is yes, it doesn t here s the thing about about an you know, when you when you re addicted, your world is very insular. everything is about you and the substance that you re addicted that s that s kind of it, right and once you if you are fortunate enough to let go of that addiction and to stop using whatever substance it is, whether it s drugs or alcohol, you don t immediately change your mode of thinking. you don t immediately like break get out of that. it takes a lot of work and a lot of time and i am assuming that hunter biden is going through that. now. he s starting to realize the extent that his addiction had on everybody else. i think it was very poignant for him. i m probably seeing his daughter testify in court, which has a really difficult thing to do. you were candid about your own struggles with addiction in your teens early 20s in the piece you wrote for the time, as you said, as the daughter of first a governor and then a president? do you know what it s like to live under a glaring, unforgiving spotlight than never dims the choices you make in your life. the mistakes, the stumbles are preserved forever and sometimes tossed out in front of you like a minefield, you have to keep crossing it s i mean, first of all, you re really a lovely writer what kind of scrutiny to you in terms of what did that scrutiny due to you in terms of drug use, what was it like living under that kind of scrutiny? well my drug use wasn t made public. i mean, i have made it public because i ve talked about it since, but i basically i didn t get caught you know, i mean, i wrote about in this book how in my father was governor, i used to, i used to drive. are those so boarded in sacramento on this summer s? i used to drive up to folsom prison because they had a gift shop. how i found out that it keeps other calls from prison. i have no idea. it s not like a 70 is not like i go to google them, but i did and i used to like smoke a joint on the way for some prison, completely stone probably with other joints in my purse fortunately, they didn t search my purse, but a friend of mine when she read this story in my book said, well, were you worried that they would smell it on, you know, i never thought about that. so i never got caught. but the thing that follows me around, what is my activism? in the 80s when my father was president in my sort of stridency and the anti-nuclear movement. and whenever i not whenever i read something about myself, but a lot of times, if i read something about myself, it s patty davis, the rebel daughter president reagan, who protests, protested his policies and everything. it was 40 years ago that is the reality of that political spotlight, which is the harshest spotlight imaginable and unfortunately, hunter biden is going to be followed by yes for the rest of his days, it s just the way that s spotlight has a shelf life of forever. yeah especially now with camera phones and laptops and social media and all of it, which obviously was involved in this trial, that was not around when you were right, you were doing that? yeah yeah. you referenced in your president biden ruling out a pardon for his son, you wrote i m quite sure it wasn t the answer. they re grieving. father wanted to give, but his sons actions and his sons illness forced him into a choice between the primal urge to protect the child and the public responsibility to uphold law that is a terrible place to be. did you ever think when your dad was present that did you ever worry about about it becoming known? or as my drink? yeah. well, i owe well, as governor, i didn t think about it because i was you know, just to strung out on drugs, i didn t think about it, frankly and by the time he was president i had stopped doing drugs but i think like i was saying that that sort of self consumed mode of thinking, i think that was still very much my mode of thinking in the 80s when my father was elected president. and because if i d been thinking more expansively, i think i would have expressed myself differently and not as stridently. i think i probably still would have spoken out about the anti-nuclear in the anti-nuclear movement because i believed in it very strongly but i would have done it differently but i didn t i you know what i mean? it was still that well, i m going to do 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boys are separated from their mothers it s produced fears that these facilities could be raising the next generation of isis fighters. cnn s first award was granted extraordinary access aside, those camps. here s her in-depth report. cell phone videos of isis is brutal justice that the world hoped it would never see again. she, my mom amash shared for the first time with cnn these images weren t captured in rocco or mosley and 26 steam they were taken in 2022 in the al-hol camp in northern syria the sprawling dumping ground for the women and children captured after isis was defeated five years after the fall of the caliphate isis is ideology lives on here security officials warn it is a ticking time bomb ungovernable and hostile to the outside world you can see just how fast this places more than 40,000 people are living here. and the most dangerous part of the camp is called the annex. that s where some 6,000 foreign nationals are currently within we were granted exceptionally rare access to the annex by the us back syrian democratic forces will sdf, who control the camp? the women here hail from more than 60 different countries several raise their right index fingers for the cameras, sign of solidarity with the islamic state do you regret your decision to join isis or wash she complains that the conditions in the camp are awful. there are people in the world who will say, you went to join isis. you deserve it. you deserve it. what do you say to that normally if enemy yeah. women and children need the majority of alcohols residents are kids who have ended up here through no fault of their own un has called it a blight on the conscience of humanity. it is effectively a prison camp for women and children are arbitrarily and indefinitely detained should to a group stops us with a frantic plea. one of their sons has been arrested trying to escape the camp. she s asking if she can get her son back, who s in a prison he s got me for monday need that youth march. we want to just send them out so the sdf wouldn t take him. she tells us, once boys turn 12 year, they take them it is a troubling story we hear over and over again the sdf says, it is their policy to separate adolescent boys because they are being radicalized by their mothers an sdf raid earlier here this year netted this video of a training session for children inside the camp. the sdf claims young teenage boys are married off to repopulate the next generation of isis fighters they say may explain the roughly 60 births recorded here every mother this is where some of those boys end up after they are taken. the or cash rehabilitation center conditions here are much better than the camps, but there are only one 150 beds and they are all full shamil. chicago grew up in cologne, germany until his parents took the family to the isis capital rocha. a shrapnel injury to his head has left shamil confused. how old are you come home? my bot without if you don t know shamil was living in our whole camp with his mother and siblings until a few years ago when security forces came into their tent in the middle of the night in colombia enough for a man came and pulled me up and tied my hands behind my back. my mom was screaming. she said leave him alone. he tells us i didn t want to go with them. he pushed me saying, put on your shoes, but i didn t hit me islam is from dagestan, russia, and is one of the youngest boys here three to it s via mama so he s saying that he is just 12-years-old. he has been here about three or for months. he was taken from his mother he doesn t even know what his last name is human rights organizations have said the separations are on a pauling violation of international law but the sds top general must loom abdi defends the policy. no duck admin instead of these organizations condemning what we re doing and calling it a human rights violation. these organizations should give us help when it comes to our program that we have in place for years now to rehabilitate these children the part of the problem seems to be that once these young boys turn 18, there s not anywhere for them to go, particularly if they can t return to their home countries. and so some of them i believe are ending up in prison necessity taken when he says this is not a policy that we are following to put them in prison at 18. the reality is, the goal is to reintegrate them with society but cnn has found that boys as young as 14 had been held here at the notorious panorama prison with an estimated 4,000 inmates. it is the largest concentration of isis fighters in the world. no journalist has been allowed inside panoramas since 2021 until now so the head of the prison has asked me to put on a head scarf what we walked through here because these are some of the most radicalized prisoners they have a senior us official told us the number one concern panorama is a prison break. of fear that was realized in 2022 when hundreds of inmates managed to escape and i look inside 25 men sit cross-legged in silence cell is spotless. the men we see appear to be indecent physical condition but tuberculosis is rampant in the prison. and we are only allowed to look inside two cells you versus your where he found a british man approaches the great, but does not want to show his face i know advocacy groups called the us that s funded panorama illegal black hole, worse than guantanamo bay in an interrogation room we meet 19-year-old stephane ucc or lou from suriname. he tells us he was brought to the prison when he was 14 along with more than 100 other miners have you had a lawyer ever you talk to a lawyer? well, i don t know about the big guys if you speak about the kids assume well, if you know the truth, we don t know even why we re always like punning just like five years in prison, i were punished we don t even know what he s done. like we ve been in prison because of our clients at the sdf intelligence headquarters, we need british pakistani dr. mohammed socket, accused of joining isis. he claims he was the victim of an elaborate kidnapping plot. it says panoramas, inmates are abused. so we live in torture i live in fear we you say you live in torture, do you mean that you are actually physically? ugly being tortured this happens on an off. what kind of torture like beating by the stick, by the gods to be on the side. i m just waiting for my death there s no getting out of this prison. probably never the warden at panorama called psaki pbs claim of abuse it was false saying, quote, all parts of the prison are monitored by cameras and no prison guard can act in this way the sdf and the us are pushing countries just to repatriate their citizens from syria, saying it is the only solution to this complex and dangerous situation. but the process has been slow and many including western allies are dragging their feet in the owl rose can we meet brits, canadians belgians australians, and a couple of americans survive basically 30-year-old hoda methanol has been stuck here with her seven-year-old son for more than five years i have to ask you, i m seeing all of the women here are fully covered. a lot of them covering their faces. you re not covered, you re wearing a t-shirt is that hard it was hard when i first took it. i would say for the first 23 years people were not accepting of it and they harassed us but they stole our stuff and i had to stay strong and show example for my son born and raised in the us, hoda became radicalized online at the age of 20 left her family and alabama to live under you re isis, a decision she quickly regretted if you were to be able to go back to the us and you had to go on trial, potentially serve time in prison. have you reconciled yourself without possibility? i always tell myself that i m going to prison would be a step forward in my life if i had any time to serve, i d server and come out and begin my life with my son for now. that is not an option. while the us advocates repatriation, it ruled holders us citizenship invalid on attacking my palette, i didn t write now, she lives in fear for her son s future what do you miss most about america i just want to breathe at moroccan era and be around people. i loved the people of america. they re very open and they re very forgiving and they re very, they re people who give second chances and i think if they were to sit down with me and listen to my story from the beginning, they would give me a second chance but second chances are hard to come by here. for most repentance is demanded and forgiveness rarely given. as the cost of ignoring this ugly crisis continues to mount first award joins us now, i mean, it s extraordinary to think of all these people in this limbo. you said the us government and rule the citizenship of the american woman you spoke with invalid on a technicality. what else what else do you know better situation node and what viewers authorities commented at all? yes. so we ve reached out anderson to the state department about who does case and they said to us the department has not changed its position with regards to ms madonna s citizenship status as the state department determined in the courts agreed she is not an never was a us citizen. we also heard anderson from her lawyer who responded, if hold them, athena is not a us citizen than she is stateless. and that is a violation of international law. all the directly contradicts what the us government has stated. other countries cannot and should not do. and i should add anderson that a senior us official told us there are about a dozen americans who are still in these camps in northeastern syria. the repatriation process is not straightforward though, because many of them, unlike the coda, don t actually want to go back. we spoke to one woman who asked not to be identified. she said that she has not put her hand up yet. she is a dual national and that she doesn t feel comfortable returning to the us because she s too afraid that she might have to face time in prison. anderson, clarissa ward. thank you. incredible report. thank you. more. breaking news tonight. a bus hijacking in lambda and the deadly discovery after the police chase through city streets in the interests during tonight s rush hour, that in a first in nevada politics, voting isn t just being done behind curtains today now it s from behind bars will explain ahead when i was diagnosed with aids with hiv, i didn t know who i would be, but here i am being me keep being you and ask your health care provider about the number one prescribed five days chevy treatment, big turvy bits rv is a complete one pill once a day treatment used for hiv in many people, whether you re 18 or any with one small pill, pick derby fights hiv to help you get to undetectable and stay there. whether you re just starting or replacing your current treatment. research shows that taking hiv treatment as prescribed and getting two and staying undetectable 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have 23 people wounded. and while please run that scene, they got word of shots fired on a transit bus, just a few miles away and into a bus hijacking than a police chase onto the interstate finally, when that ended, police made a grim discovery. more now in all, from cnn s ryan young begin around 430 after a call about gunfire and a hostage situation on a bus when officers arrived to investigate, the bus takes off and the chase begins from above, you can see the county bus swerving uncontrollably through rush hour traffic and atlanta dangerously moving in and out of traffic through city streets and onto the highway where elana police officers desperately tried to get the bus pulled over. our initial call was of a gunman on on the bus that was holding hostages and possibly there had been a discharge of a weapon that was the initial nine will warn call that call disconnected, and then a short time later we received another 911 call also from the bus, and that line remained open for the entire time. officers tried blocking the bus in the attempt to use stop sticks, but the bus avoids early attempts to stop it. all of it through atlanta s rush hour traffic at one point, the bus almost hits this truck. it s worth around the car and then veers into traffic as drivers scrambled to get out of the way, a gunman with a gun to the head of a bus driver saying, don t stop this bus or else worst will happen. this is the type of thing that obviously no one is. i mean, it seems like the movies later the bus narrowly misses another group of cars as it drives on the left side of the road before coming to a stop on this tree-lined road, there were 17 individuals on the bus and putting the bus driver unfortunately, as the mayor has stated, one individual has died of injuries which we believe to be a gunshot wound. this is going to be a joint investigation by the atlanta police department as well. was from the georgia bureau of investigation. we currently do have in custody a 39-year-old joseph career officers from several police departments surround the bus. you can see someone coming out with their hands up before he gets on the ground. police at the ready, guns drawn with a tactical armored vehicle on the sea police find one person shot and killed anderson. we re also finding out the man who was arrested as a convicted felon, but i want to tell you something we were doing a news conference about that earlier shooting. and this start happening. i got a phone call from a source that was saying they could see several police cars chasing this car through the streets of atlanta. it was very harrowing. in fact, they saw officers trying to use their car to block that bus, but such a large vehicle moving through the city, it s amazing that no one else got seriously injured, even though sadly, one person did lose their life on that bus today? yes, i m just terrifying ryan young. thank you. now, to exclusive new reporting voting from behind bars, a unique development in the narrowly divided state and nevada, which could determine who wins the white house in which party controls the senate or murray has more inside the largest jail in sin city. it s my first time voting. for the first time that you ve ever vote in any election is when is here in the detention center? yeah. natalie inmates escorted to this holding and then a voting booth. the first one ever set up in the clark county detention center in las vegas. nor are you surprised that there was going to be a voting booth here today? yeah, i was surprised. yeah, it was i didn t expect to its debut just in time for primary de the result of a new law requiring improved valid access for thousands of non felons detained in nevada s jails soon after the booth opened the first voter cast her ballot. how did it feel to be able to cast your vote? it felt nice actually felt good for activists. shigella chambers. you can put that on my epa ten it s a hard-fought victory. there is a pressure for us to shine brightly on this first run. a felony conviction after a violent altercation during college costs, chambers his freedom and his voting rights for more than five years. and i feel that someone who is doing this work needs to be formerly incarcerated to engage their population now we worked for the non-profit silver state poises, running outreach to thousands of potential voters behind bars. one of the first bullet points on here it says why you cannot vote, okay, that s the key. you i cannot vote if you are serving a sentence on a felony conviction in a city or county jail, then it makes clear if you re pretrial or serving on a misdemeanor you re eligible jackpot. one of the biggest hurdles, convincing eligible incarcerated voters to cast a ballot amid polarization and misinformation, more than 2,500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates of birth match incarcerated felons. do you think that has an impact on even people who are eligible to vote without question, without question it took months and the threat of lawsuits for jails to get up just be we had an election happened, but no jail fully. what s compliant with the law facilities across the state worked with voting rights groups like the aclu and election workers to finally ensure ballot access ahead of tuesday s primary, their vote should not be any less important than the individuals that are out here. and unfortunately, they face those barriers that we were here on outside, don t even really think about those barriers. the basics for those who are behind bars postage for change of address forums. blue and black pens to fill in balance and at least in this jail a polling booth something that goes beyond what the law while requires. this is something that is the first for us and i think we re going to probably do it better than anybody else. we ve tried to pride ourselves on that there really was no model for us to follow. we ve had a couple of opportunities to make sure we get it right for the general election in november chambers hopes this is one step toward politicians actively campaigning for voters behind bars in clark county. you have potential victory is lying in those sales at least for now. i want to i guess is it makes a huge difference night, i step toward voters like elliot carver hall having their voices heard, it felt a little bit of empowerment, a little slow, a little tiny bit sara marie joins us now from las vegas. so this is the first time he s running boost had been used. how did the process go? it went pretty smoothly, although there were voters who showed up to vote and found out they were actually registered in a different county or in some cases, in a different state, which is negating the education gap that still exist for those who are behind bars. there were dozens of folks who wanted to vote from the jail today and we expect that that s going to number is going to be even longer when we get to the general election in november. this was sort of a dry run for the big event coming up, anderson be interesting to do polling and see if they re running for it? sir, maria, thanks so much in news continues. the src
welcome to newsday, reporting live from singapore, i m arunoday mukharji. let s get you the headlines. ajury has found hunter biden guilty of all three felony gun charges in the first criminal trial of a child of a sitting us president. hamas responds to the latest peace proposal for gaza, saying its ready to engage but still wants israel to commit to a permanent ceasefire and completely withdraw its forces. india confirms two of its nationals have been killed while fighting illegally for the russian forces in ukraine. welcome to bbc news broadcasting to viewers in the uk and around the world. we begin in the united states where the president s son, hunter biden, has been found guilty of lying about his drug use to illegally buy a gun. the jury in the trial in delaware convicted him on all three counts. he could face a maximum of 25 years in jail. our north america editor sarah smith has been following the story and has more. handin hand in hand with his step mother, the first lady, as well as his life, hunter biden left court a convicted felon. this trial, peppered with lurid details about his private life and previous addiction to crack cocaine, has clearly put great stress on the whole family. presidentjoe biden appeared at a gun safety rally, saying he loved hunter and is proud of the man he is today. he travelled to delaware to be with his son. prosecutors admitted that hunter biden committed a crime by lying on a form to buy a gun. that was discovered in his car by his then partner haillie biden, also his sister in law, the widow of his brother beau. prosecutors showed video of her trying to dispose of the weapon in a dumpster. she told the court she realised it was a stupid idea. court she realised it was a stu - id idea. . stupid idea. hunter biden had already described stupid idea. hunter biden had already described his - stupid idea. hunter biden had already described his drug - already described his drug addiction in a book. excerpts read by the author himself was played in court. it read by the author himself was played in court- played in court. it became smokeing played in court. it became smokeing every played in court. it became smokeing every two - played in court. it became smokeing every two days. i played in court. it became - smokeing every two days. his defence argued that hunter biden wasn t using drugs around the time he bought the gun, but the time he bought the gun, but thejury the time he bought the gun, but the jury rejected that. donald trump insists he was only convicted because president biden is using the legal system to persecute his political opponent, claims undermined by the guilty verdict against the president s own son. the justice department say they care only about the law, not politics. care only about the law, not olitics. ., ., , politics. no-one in this country politics. no-one in this country is politics. no-one in this country is above - politics. no-one in this country is above the i politics. no-one in this l country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions. everyone must be accountable fortheiractions. even everyone must be accountable for their actions. even this defendant. however, hunter biden should be no more accountable than any other citizen convicted of this same conduct. , conduct. hunter biden s wilful refusal to conduct. hunter biden s wilful refusal to comply. conduct. hunter biden s wilful refusal to comply. he - conduct. hunter biden s wilful refusalto comply. he has i refusal to comply. he has been investigated by republicans in congress, who accuse him of peddling influence while his father was vice president. no charges have resulted from, that and attempts to impeachjoe biden in connection with his son s business dealings have come to nothing. to developments in the middle east and hamas has responded to the american led proposals for a ceasefire and hostage release deal in gaza, saying they view the plan favourably. in a statement, they said they were ready to move towards a deal but they insisted that any ceasefire must be permanent. israel has been reluctant to end the war, while hamas retains its ability to carry out further attacks. the us says it s considering their response. our correspondent hugo bachega is injerusalem and gave us his assessment of events. hamas has expressed readiness to reach a deal, but it s sticking to its initial demands, they include a guarantee there will be a permanent ceasefire in gaza, and also the complete withdrawal of israeli forces from the territory. now, qatar and egypt, which have been mediating the talks, say they have received this response from hamas, and they will be co ordinate the next they will co ordinate the next steps with the negotiations with the united states. the deal being discussed is a 3 stage plan that was announced by president biden, he described it as an israeli proposal. the first stage of this plan would see the release of hostages being held in gaza, and then pave the way for a permanent ceasefire. now, hamas wants a guarantee of a permanent ceasefire because they feel once the hostages are out, the israeli military may continue to gaza to continue with its military operation against the group. now, the israeli prime minister binyamin netanyahu had previously said that israel would not commit to an end of the war without achieving its goals of destroying hamas s military and governing capabilities in gaza. for more, we can speak to ian parmeter in canberra. he is the former australian ambassador to lebanon and currently a research scholar at the centre for arab and islamic studies at the australian national university. thank you very much, ambassador, for being with us here on news day. just want to begin by asking hamas has responded, demanding a complete halt to fighting. how realistic is the prospect of a full withdrawal of israeli troops and could that delay the deal going through? i and could that delay the deal going through? and could that delay the deal going through? i think it will. it s very unfortunate - going through? i think it will. it s very unfortunate that - it s very unfortunate that hamas s response has been as well, keeping to the hard line they insist on a full agreement to cease the the full ceasefire, permanent ceasefire, before they will agree to it. so, there s still a lot of diplomacy to be got through. the americans will be putting a lot of pressure on egypt to get a more definite response to at least the first phase, which is the six week temporary ceasefire from hamas. but as well the americans would be putting a lot of pressure on the netanyahu government to give its agreement and we don t have that full agreement as yet. the americans say the israeli government has agreed but binyamin netanyahu has said the operation will continue until until hamas is destroyed. so, we have two irreconcile able objectives here. hamas is determined to remain standing at the end of the conflict, and israel is determined that it will be the conflict won t end until hamas is removed. and that has been the problem right from the start. i been the problem right from the start. ., ., , ., start. i want to understand the ressure start. i want to understand the pressure the start. i want to understand the pressure the us start. i want to understand the pressure the us can start. i want to understand the pressure the us can put, - start. i want to understand the pressure the us can put, to . pressure the us can put, to what extent they can exert that pressure. the deal is very important to washington. how muscular do you think they ll be in getting this across the line? i be in getting this across the line? ~ ~ . ., , line? i think the americans will be putting line? i think the americans will be putting a line? i think the americans will be putting a lot - line? i think the americans will be putting a lot of - will be putting a lot of pressure on israel to fully agree to at least the first phase of the ceasefire. the temporary six week ceasefire. this is very important to president biden because the gaza war is actually pulling the democratic party apart. and one of the consequences of the war, the fact that arab americans who normally vote democrat and progressive democrats are very opposed to biden s support for israel and to the huge number of casualties that the war has caused. and they may well not vote in november, which of course will hand the election to trump by default. so, it s very important to biden that the warfinish as very important to biden that the war finish as soon as possible and that as much possible and that as much possible get out of the american people s system. very briefl , american people s system. very briefly, ambassador, american people s system. very briefly, ambassador, there are domestic political compulsions for israel. benny gantz is out of the war cabinet, there are fears that netanyahu will have to listen to the far right. does that complicate matters? it certainly does. benny gantz was a moderating influence within the war cabinet. now he s gone, very hard line ministerfor national he s gone, very hard line minister for national security, ben gvir, will take his place in the war cabinet. that will mean it will be a less balanced management of the war and ben gvir has said that he and his coalition partner will withdraw their parties from the coalition, the governing coalition, the governing coalition, if the war stops, if there s even a temporary ceasefire. so netanyahu is in an extremely difficult situation, particularly given there is now so much pressure from the families of the hostages, following the release of another four hostages over the weekend. of another four hostages over the weekend. right. all right. ambassador, the weekend. right. all right. ambassador, thank the weekend. right. all right. ambassador, thank you - the weekend. right. all right. ambassador, thank you very i ambassador, thank you very much, a pleasure having you on the show. in the uk, the conservatives have put tax cuts at the heart of their manifesto, as they launched their programme for government if they return to power after the election. among the policies announced was a cut in national insurance, scrapping the main rate of national insurance for the self employed and they pledged a new help to buy scheme for potential homeowners. our political editor chris mason was at the manifesto launch and sent us this report. halfway through this election race, it s the moment for the cardboard boxes, within them, those bundles of promises, not always kept, that set out a party s blueprint for the next five years. so, the manifesto is here, so is the cabinet. ..then the prime minister. applause music, applause, an ovation from party supporters, yes, but also a candid acknowledgment from rishi sunak about how you may feel about him and the conservatives. may feel about him and the conservatives. i m not blind to the fact that conservatives. i m not blind to the fact that people conservatives. i m not blind to the fact that people are - the fact that people are frustrated with our party and frustrated with our party and frustrated with our party and frustrated with me. things have not always been easy. and we have not got everything right. but we are the only party in this election with the big ideas to make our country a better place to live. applause applause a central theme of this manifesto is tax cuts including a promise of another 2p cut in employee national insurance. br; 2p cut in employee national insurance. insurance. by 2027, we will have halved insurance. by 2027, we will have halved national- insurance. by 2027, we will. have halved national insurance to 6%, that s a tax cut, my friends, worth £1,300 to the average worker. average worker. rishi sunak - raised average worker. rishi sunak praised the average worker. rishi sunak praised the enterprise - 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for the first time i buyers purchasing a home up it easier. for the first time - buyers purchasing a home up to £425,000, we ll abolish stamp duty entirely. applause stamp duty is a tax on buying a home in england and northern ireland. next, what about the plan to send some migrants to rwanda? some conservatives say it s time the uk left the european convention on human rights or echr to make this easier. but mr sunak stopped short of saying that. ii easier. but mr sunak stopped short of saying that. short of saying that. if we are forced to short of saying that. if we are forced to choose short of saying that. if we are forced to choose between - short of saying that. if we are forced to choose between our security and the jurisdiction of a foreign court, including the echr, we ll always choose our nation s security. applause for much of the last 18 months, you have tried everything to try and revive conservative fortunes and not much appears to have worked. could we rename this document today your last chance saloon? chance saloon? well, chris, i ve chance saloon? well, chris, i ve been chance saloon? well, chris, i ve been very chance saloon? well, chris, i ve been very clear- chance saloon? well, chris, i ve been very clear when i i chance saloon? well, chris, i i ve been very clear when i got thisjob we had been i ve been very clear when i got this job we had been through a very difficult time as a country. if you want a secure future, if you want lower taxes, if you want your pensions protected, if you want a more sensible approach to net zero and you want your border secure, vote conservative at this election. this election. there ended -erha - s this election. there ended perhaps this this election. there ended perhaps this man s - this election. there ended perhaps this man s last i this election. there ended| perhaps this man s last big this election. there ended - perhaps this man s last big set piece moment to change his fortunes. time, then, to 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the i election, it s not myjob. the outcome of the election is your job at home. the cases the different parties are making are becoming clearer. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. you re live with bbc news. ukraine s far east has come under intense russian bombardment over the last few months. but now, the mayor of kharkiv says there have been fewer russian attacks ever since the us allowed ukraine to strike targets across the border using american weapons. it comes as president volodymyr zelensky is in germany to appeal for more support to protect ukrainian cities hoping to encourage european nations to invest in the country s post war reconstruction. our correspondent david mcguinness has more details on mr zelensky s push for recovery efforts in berlin. thousands of delegates from all over the world are in berlin to plan the reconstruction of ukraine after the war. they include governments, officials from around 60 countries, as well as business leaders and that s because the main point of this conference is to get private investment into ukraine, politicians say that state funds are not going to be enough, no matter how many billions of euros and dollars get pumped into ukraine, they need businesses to get involved. and on the one hand, its immediate reconstruction for bond infrastructure, to provide energy, or water to people here and now, on the other hand, it s about rebuilding ukraine in the future, when the war finishes. and that s more difficult because no one knows how long this is going to last. after the conference, president zelensky went to the bundestag to deliver a speech. the mps there applauded, gave him a standing ovation, it was a moving moment. but not all mps attended. mps from the far left and the far right boycotted president zelensky s speech, accusing him of escalating the war. and i think as we see national elections here in germany approaching next year, those voices on the extreme are going to get louder. mainstream germany, though, still very much supports ukraine, ask they back german chancellor olaf scholz s line that peace in europe is only possible if ukraine is fully supported. india says two of its nationals have been killed, fighting illegally for russian forces in ukraine. the indian foreign ministry said it had urged the russian authorities to repatriate the bodies of the two deceased. it further added that it had strongly called for moscow to release and repatriate all indian nationals currently with the russian army. indian media say dozens of nationals have been duped by agents into fighting for russian forces with the lure of money and the promise of obtaining russian passports. our south asia regional editor, anbarasan ethirajan, explained the indian government has been concerned about the posibility of fatalities for some time. indian authorities are worried about the reports of nearly 200 indians fighting in the ukraine war, most of them on the russian side. and what the authorities are saying is there are agents sitting in the middle east, in dubai and some other places, they recruit these very unsuspecting indian nationals, young men looking forjobs, with the promise of more than $1,000 worth ofjobs and within a few months, a russian passport. so they were being duped to come and do some support roles for the russian army and later on they were given combat roles. that s how they were being duped. that s what the indian authorities say now. the death of two more indian nationals would have come as a big shock to the new indian government, the prime minister narendra modi was sworn in on sunday. so it will be a big challenge now for the foreign ministry to talk to the russians, to send back the remaining indians who they believe are fighting for the russian forces without the permission. because india does allow its nationals to go and join another army. in fact, on that point, the indian government has not taken a strong position against russia s war in ukraine, given its traditional proximity to russia. if we see more indians recruited and killed, do you feel that may change perceptions about the war on the indian side? the indian side? well, india shares very the indian side? well, india shares very close the indian side? well, india shares very close strategicl the indian side? well, india i shares very close strategic and defence ties for decades. this issue has come as an irritant because india also is aware of the domestic how this will play out domestically. because if more indians getting killed in russia, means that will be a warning sign. that is why privately the indian authorities have been putting pressure on russia, on moscow, to send back in fact about 20 of them have come back 20 indians were fighting for the russian forces have come back. but in the long run, if this continues, then that will put pressure on mr modi s government. it s notjust india we re also talking about countries like nepal and sri lanka in the region where they have urged their nationals not to fight for russia. 20 nepalese were killed. it s not just about india, it s about the south asian region, how the conflict in ukraine is having a global impact. very briefly, what can be done to crack down on these recruiting agents on the government side?- recruiting agents on the government side? the indian government government side? the indian government says government side? the indian government says they i government side? the indian government says they have l government says they have already arrested some suspects who allegedly recruited indians to go to russia. they re now preventing asking a lot of questions of immigration, why they were going, where they were going. but these agents can find another route, first going to the middle east and then to russia, that s a challenge for the indian government. firefighters are battling wildfires in brazil s pantanal, the world s largest tropical wetland. close to 32,000 hectares have already been destroyed by the fires in the state of mato grosso do sul according to local media report. the pantanal is home to jaguars, giant anteaters and giant river otters. the number of fires from the start of the year till now has been 935% higher than the same period last year according to brazil s national institute for space research. so, to put into context the scale of what we re seeing i spoke to regina rodrigues from florianapolis in brazil a climate professor at the federal university of santa catarina. yes, the second biggest fire since 2015. and so, sorry, 2010. and it s since 2015. and so, sorry, 2010. and its huge. but, this is due to the drought, the drought last year, it was very severe during the rainy season. so now we re heading to the dry season already in dry conditions. due to the failure of the rainy season last year. and the high season, i was reading, for wildfires, is not due to start untiljuly. would you say there s a worry the worst is yet to come?- you say there s a worry the worst is yet to come? yes. the eak is worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - as worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - as you worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - as you said, - worst is yet to come? yes. the peak is - as you said, it- peak is as you said, it started injuly, and the peak is august and september. and we are already seeing these fires now. so it s very worrisome. could you give us a sense of the areas which are being affected and the flora and fauna, just to help understand what we re looking at. this fauna, just to help understand what we re looking at.- what we re looking at. as you said, what we re looking at. as you said. these what we re looking at. as you said, these hectares, - what we re looking at. as you said, these hectares, this i what we re looking at. as you i said, these hectares, this huge area. and the pantanal is a wetland. this area of the midwest of brazil is getting really hot and dry. almost every year we have heat waves, even during the winter, which is now. during the dry season. and, so yeah, it s really shocking. because the pantanal is home to extraordinary biodiversity, with 300 fish species, bird species, 200 mammal species and 3,500 plant species unique to the place, including jaguars and all the unique animals. the including jaguars and all the unique animals. unique animals. the federal government unique animals. the federal government say unique animals. the federal government say they ll i unique animals. the federal government say they ll be i government say they ll be working with the state governments to combat this. do you see a strategy in place to deal with the fires? it’s deal with the fires? it s difficult deal with the fires? it s difficult because i deal with the fires? it s difficult because even though the droughts are a big player, obviously, the fires generally started by humans, they re human induced. and the extension of the soil plantations are getting to this area of the pantanal and they area of the pantanal and they are deforesting the area and they re sometimes putting fire, with the dry conditions it s the perfect combination to get out of control. so the federal government now is actually helping the local government to try to combat the fires. and finally this half hour, officials in kosovo s capital pristina are offering $50 a month to people who adopt a stray dog. at least 4,000 dogs are believed to live on the city s streets, often creating problems for residents, including dog attacks. the mayor of pristina is spending more than 300,000 dollars on efforts to catch, sterilise and immunise the street dogs ahead of their adoption. and coming up on business today. we re looking at apple bouncing back on wall street, closing at a record high. we re looking at how teenagers are fighting their smartphone addiction. that s all for now. thanks for watching. hello there. it s felt quite pleasant in any strong june sunshine. but generally temperatures have been below par for this time of year and wednesday looks pretty similar to the last few days. some spells of sunshine, variable cloud and further showers mostly across eastern areas. i think there ll be fewer showers around on wednesday because this is a ridge of high pressure, will tend to kill the showers off. the winds will be lighter, but we re still got that blue hue, that cold arctic air hanging around for at least one more day before something milder starts to push in off the atlantic, but with wind and rain. so it s a chilly start to wednesday. temperatures could be in low single digits in some rural spots. these are towns and city values. a little bit of mist and fog where skies have cleared overnight, but it s here where you ll have the best of the sunshine, northern and western areas. a bit of cloud across eastern scotland, eastern england, one 01’ two showers. through the day, it ll be one of sunshine and showers, but the clouds will tend to build most of the showers eastern areas, tending to stay drier towards the west with the best of the sunshine. so it could be up to 17 or 18 degrees in the sunniest spots, but generally cool, ten to 15 or 16 celsius. and then as we move through wednesday night, any showers fade away, lengthy, clear skies. the temperatures will tumble against mist and fog developing. temperatures in rural spots dipping close to freezing in a few places. generally, though, in the towns and cities, we re looking at 4 to eight degrees. now we ll start to see some changes into thursday. we change the wind direction, we lose that cooler air, something a bit milder. but this frontal system tied into low pressure will start to bring wet and windy weather initially into northern ireland, spreading across the irish sea, into western britain and pushing its way eastward. so we start dry with some early sunshine across eastern areas and it should stay dry, i think in eastern england, eastern scotland until after dark. we change the wind direction despite more cloud around, 17 or 18 degrees. and it means thursday night will be milder. so a milder start to friday, but low pressure across the country bring stronger winds, sunshine and showers or longer spells of rain. some of these showers will be heavy and thundery, particularly across southern and western areas. but despite that, in the sunshine, it ll feel a little bit warmer, maybe 19 or 20 degrees. not much change into the weekend, low pressure dominates the scene. it ll be breezy at times. there will be showers or longer spells of rain again, some of them heavy and thundery. but in the sunnier, brighter moments, it llfeela bit warmer, 19 or 20 degrees. and another thing you ll notice, it will feel milder at night. take care. the fight to be the world s most valuable company heats up, after apple announces new ai tools on its devices. and how long can you survive without your smartphone? we put a group of british teenagers to the test. hello and welcome to business today. i m arunoday mukharji. apple shares have surged to a record high, after it unveiled new ai tools. the tech giant is now valued at $3.18 trillion, just behind microsoft which remains the world s most valuable company. from new york, erin delmore has the details. investors have been waiting for months to see how apple would embrace ai and propelled many other tech trains to big market gains. on monday they got their answer, a partnership
again, along with obamacare, of course. the funny thing is, trump is using this approach to try to appeal to latino voters, while at the same time promising to bring to america the political style and economic policies of the strongmen leaders of places like argentina and venezuela, which have some of the highest inflation rates in the world right now. make it make sense. tomorrow is set to be a big day for economic news. we will get a new inflation report in the morning and the fed will give an update on interest rates in the afternoon. so is rachel maddow would say, watch this space. and that is tonight s reidout . you can follow me on tiktok and instagram and follow our show accounts on instagram and tick tock. all in with chris hayes starts now. tonight on all in as we deliberated today, we reached a verdict pretty quick. the presidents son found guilty of violating federal gun laws. no one in this country is above the law. everyone must be accountable for their actions, even this offender. tonight, what today s verdict does and does not mean about the rule of law in america. everyone is saying, where is hunter? a two-tiered system of justice we have. and how we campaign led by a convict is vetting potential running mates. certainly like having committed a crime and the scandal that just won t end. i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag. tonight jamie raskin and aoc together on their push to get answers from the supreme court. can you tell us how the supreme court and specifically the chief justice have addressed these scandals? when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i am chris hayes. in a political era marked by a never-ending string of historic firsts, here is another today. a rare court decision that conservatives received with glee. hunter biden has been found guilty on all counts in his gun trial, federal trial in wilmington, delaware. hunter biden, the last living son of the sitting president was convicted today on three felony counts connected to lying on a federal firearms application in 2018 by not disclosing his struggles with drug addiction. he had that gun for 11 days. hunter biden now faces 25 years in prison and his father, president joe biden, did not blast the case as a crooked witchhunt. he did not target the prosecutors, the judge and the jurors, some of whom called into major news shows to discuss the verdict with no fears for their safety in this high-profile case. president biden did not shake his fist at the justice system. he put up this statement. as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride. as i also said last week, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. i have to say i find that genuinely touching. his love of family. also respect of the process. it is an incredibly stark contrast to the ceaseless barrage of absolutely unhinged authoritarian histrionics we all witnessed last month. remember? not just donald trump, but the entire republican party. all of the people dressing up like donald trump who went to the courthouse so he will pick them to be vice president. all of them basically calling to tear down the entire judicial system or casting aspersions on new york jurors or the judge or the prosecutor. everyone. all because their nominee got caught falsifying business records and was convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts. this was a rigged trial by a convicted judge who was corrupt. a disgrace. this is like a soviet style thing. show me the person and i will show you the crime. this was a political smear job. this is what you see in banana republics. this is the most outrageous travesty i ve ever seen. this is a justice system that hunts republicans while protecting democrats. this was a hoax, a sham. do we want to become a country where we try to jail are political opponents? what do you think the party affiliation of hunter biden is? and so this hunter biden conviction is as clear a moment of contrast as possible between the two major coalitions, the major parties in the country today. what it illustrates is that one party, under donald trump, and this is important, has placed itself outside the american constitutional order, while the other is trying to defend and uphold it. that was clear as day on january 6, but particularly in the aftermath there was palpable were among republicans. lots of them talking about how horrified they were and resigning from the administration and all of that. and there was a sense the party wanted to distance themselves from trump s lawlessness. that was then. today they are fully united as a party in opposition to the constitution. an attitude by one of the most powerful conservatives you ve never heard of. he wrote portions of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch and a trump presidency. the washington post identified him as a potential chief of staff. he lays out his vision for a post-constitutional presidency to turn the government into a flatly authoritarian project or failing that, just a mafia style. disease more control of the justice department and assert power to withhold congressional appropriations and that is just on trump s first day back in office. meanwhile democrats are not just making statements of faith, they have taken real actions to preserve those institutions and their independence. no better example of this is the prosecution of hunter biden. remember how this started? okay, back in 2018 under david weiss, the u.s. attorney trump appointed in delaware, the fbi probed hunter biden. there were subpoenas, but there were no charges and remember, trump grew angry that his justice department had not publicized the investigation into his opponents son during the 2020 election. after trump lost the election, republicans insisted president biden would obstruct justice to keep his son free and they called for a special counsel to investigate. when a new president comes and it is his right to replace any u.s. attorney they want. they usually do. biden replaced all of trump s appointees except for two. who bill barr had test to investigate the russia probe. and david weiss, who was investigating his own son. that is because the new president, at the pains of a possible criminal conviction of his surviving son in recovery, wanted no appearance of impropriety or interference and infect biden s attorney general merrick garland went a step further and appointed weiss as special counsel to make sure his work on the hunter biden case was truly independent. that was a move that republicans opposed. the house judiciary committee writing, david weiss can t be trusted. this is just a new way to whitewash the biden family corruption. after all that an appeal deal was worked out with hunter biden and ultimately rejected by the courts. weiss ended up charging the president son for an offense so rarely prosecuted that even trey gowdy, the former congressman and prosecutor, could scarcely believe it. i did gun prosecutions for six years. i went after convicted felons. i went after people who were fugitives from justice. i went after lots of different people who were prohibited from possessing a firearm, but i bet there were not 10 cases prosecuted nationwide of addicts or unlawful drug users who possess firearms or lied on applications. i bet there weren t a dozen, which makes you wonder of all the cases you could be pursuing in delaware, why are you pursuing this one? all of this was facilitated by democrats in the white house and department of justice and capitol hill to restore faith in equal justice under the law and the norms of the constitutional order. donald trump flagrantly violated the law, interfering with the department of justice. stewing when he could not interfere further. publicly calling for prosecutions. you may have forgotten that months into his presidency troubles calling federal prosecutors and cultivating relationships with them, including the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. and obama holdover who was overseeing the investigation into stock trades made by trump s health secretary. he said those calls made him uncomfortable and he was fired as u.s. attorney less than a day after he finally refused to take a call from president trump. the administration would later tell propublica, trump s personal attorney bragged about getting him fired with reportedly telling trump, this guy is going to get you. the former united states attorney for the southern district of new york joins me now. an interesting study in contrast over the past few weeks. what strikes you about the reaction? when you think about the biden family and how joe biden in particular thinks about his job and not just his job, but his family. upon a conviction or before the conviction, the arrest and indictment of his son, given what his family has been through, you would think every fatherly instinct would ve been to protect him. if you are a father, and i know you are, you love your children more than you love yourself. you try to protect them from harm and you try to protect them from bad consequences. the biden family has suffered lots of bad things as a family and yet there are some things more important than that when you are the commander in chief and basically the president of the country and one of those things is that no one is above the law and the rule of law matters. here is an occasion as you were playing out in the intro, where joe biden had absolute authority. literal authority. he had no authority over robin bragg and did not direct the prosecution of donald trump. it is his justice department. he had the authority to direct people not to prosecute his son. he could have fired the special counsel. he could have directed the special counsel not be appointed in the first place. he could have pardoned his son preemptively. all of that conduct, given that it is his son, it kind of makes you pause and think about ton about how unbelievable that is. in a million years, if the shoe were on the other foot and donald trump was facing his son being prosecuted, by me if i had been held over. a biden holdover prosecutor, not in a million years with that have happened. some of the people on the right, the people who support donald trump, are trying to cast this as some clever program by which this actually proves they yes. i will say it is outlandish imagining don junior getting in trouble with guns and drugs, but stephen miller said this. the gun charges are a misdirection and an easy opt to sell to a quiet media that is also willing to be duped. this is about protecting joe biden and only joe biden. no matter what happens, right, the corrupt deep system is deeper than you realized. if every possible outcome, every possible permutation is arguably a point in your favor, maybe your position is terrible. i used a different word than terrible. honestly i don t even think he was required to keep david weiss on in delaware. honestly, when i say bend over backwards, that is bending over it would have been perfectly reasonable to replace him. obviously it would not be reasonable to say wink wink, nagy nudge. but if you say do your thing. by the way some other features are important to point out and you mentioned some in the intro. the jury verdict came out. they did not dox the jury or attack the judge. he did not say this is a witch hunt. he said what people say. what i used to say when i was u.s. attorney for 7 1/2 years. you win some and you lose some. we say we respect the verdict of the jury. completely opposite to what donald trump said. it was striking. after that trump verdict, i remember judge kaplan in the federal civil trial with e. jean carroll told the jurors, look, you can talk to the press if you want. i would advise you not to. in alvin bragg s case they did not and i think we all know the reason. they would expose themselves to harassment and possible threats and violence. here you had the jurors talking to us, which, great, am a reporter. i like it, but what a contrast. it is a very stark contrast and i think it goes to show that when joe biden and his supporters talk about the rule of law and nobody being above the law, they mean it. you can disagree with joe biden s policies and talk about the border and all of these things that are not in my bailiwick, but on the question of whether or not the rule of law is to be enforced and no favor given to anyone, including the son of a sitting president of the united states. the republicans are full of it on trump side and biden is not. he has walked the walk. my final question for you is about independence in the department of justice. we have a post mix in order. one of the things about nixon and the reckoning at a level of regulation, norms, and that schuetz was the department of justice can t just be a tool in the hands of the executive to pursue vendetta to prosecute and punish enemies to protect friends. the trump vision is exactly that and in fact, explicitly that. they really think we are going to come in and it is going to be like day one, go open an investigation on that person, prosecute them. what they have accused everyone else of doing. there is a great irony. one of the cases pending against donald trump, the mar-a-lago documents case in federal court in florida, donald trump steam has made a number of motions to dismiss the indictment. one of those is vindictive prosecution. there is no evidence that joe biden or anyone else directed the investigation and prosecution and indictment. by saying the things they are saying now that you are pointing out, donald trump is ironically laying out the foundation for a vindictive prosecution motion to dismiss on behalf of all the current people donald trump will be going after. he is announcing his plans before election. all of those statements and those plans, project 20/25 and everything else, will be chapter and verse and asking for those dismissals of those indictments. coming up, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and jamie raskin on the litany of scandals rocking the supreme court, but first, what we are learning about donald trump s rude awakening from the justice system, next. system, next. shop etsy anytime for furniture, lighting, and other thoughtful pieces made by real people to bring a little something extra to the ordinary. find handmade items that add wow to your walls, help your party set-up pop, and new things to help you fall in love with your family room again. when you want 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crime, is often on job applications. it is the subject of campaigns to get rid of it, to help former convicts get jobs and reenter society. that question is apparently still part of the vetting of trump s vice presidential pick, where it seems only one member of the ticket gets to be a felon. they asked us for a number of things. i think a number of people have been asked to submit this and that. like your taxes or something? criminal background? have you committed a crime? have you ever lied about this? certainly you have those conversations. he extensively covered trump world including his recent reporting on the juror. it is interesting to watch folks who don t know this and to watch the various implications of being convicted of a felony and all the different types of regulations and things you cannot do. in some states it is disenfranchisement, voting, liquor licenses and the like. being a person of color and a former prosecutor, i am unmoved by these newfound epiphanies on the right with respect to the reality of life in america if you are a convicted felon. one thing i find to be particularly interesting is how the right is scrambling to rearrange the narrative of what it is to be a felon. think of this for a moment. you re talking about the party that planted its flag on the notion of law and order in america, now having to walk out and say it is politically advantageous for our candidate to have 34 convictions on his record. this is a narrative they are not going to be able to square, but it is funny to watch them try. he invited in the bronx on stage, folks who are facing charges for a broad conspiracy with people that includes moving heavy drugs and violent crime. very serious, gnarly stuff. and has them on the stage like hey, this is our thing now. let s be clear, you are talking about whether someone is an associate of new orleans. an associate of felons. the list is long. i think they are trying to be like, it is actually good we are felons and they don t actually believe that. it s amazing how much the tough on crime philosophy falls by the wayside when it is the racist game show hosts turn in the barrel. donald trump and his minions talk day in and day out about a two-tiered system of justice. he is correct that one does exist in this country, it is just he is at this tier and everyone else s at this tier. so many things no other defendant could get away with. including the judge and all that stuff, he would have been put in jail for sure. absolutely and now behind the scenes and in the open he and his maga brain trust are getting ready to exploit parts of the u.s. criminal code to go after alvin bragg, letitia james, jack smith, if he returns to power in 2025. some of this is being cooked up behind the scenes and policy papers, but so much is being done in the open. you ve also got them moving to get alvin bragg before a committee. he will testify with the gop led judiciary committee. one question i had about all of this, does any of this matter in the process that trump was going through? no, it does not. you don t think it matters, talking about it is all rigged? does that matter for sentencing? donald trump s public rhetoric absolutely matters. i thought you were referring to alvin bragg going to capitol hill, which is something i think he should not do. with respect to the things donald trump is parroting in the dialogue around his case, that matters. one of the things the probation officer is going to take into account is what degree of understanding and remorse do you have? i screwed up, i m sorry. exactly. to walk in his office and say that when you have every opportunity with the microphone in front of your face. you ve reported on this and this has been going around the house republican leaders are privately gauging support for legislation that would let current and former presidents move a state case to federal court. have you heard any of that? we reported in rolling stone at the end of last month that trump had been personally calling around to different conservative allies, including republican lawmakers on capitol hill, to lobby them. when i m back in office, wouldn t it be great if you passed legislation that is ready for me to sign to have former and current presidents be able to move their cases to federal court. again, i think they are getting high on their own supply. i feel like that is a bad bill to vote for. for a front-line republican member. right? i m not crazy. if you are a maga lawmaker, certainly there is a cute appeal to it. it is not only moderate republicans on capitol hill saying maybe we shouldn t do this. i ve spoken to cronies who are close to donald trump who have told me maybe we should not go down this route because don t we want to use state a.g. s and conservative district attorneys to go after joe biden or hillary clinton? yes, the principal applying equally would hang them up. there is back and forth about the gun situation, charles. i m sure you have encountered this. what does the law say about whether he can keep the gun in florida? in your crime. he more likely than not will need to turn the gun in in florida. he is going to have a grace period where that is allowed. well technically he might be in violation of the law upon notice of conviction, he is probably going to be allowed but it does not surprise me he has to turn it in in florida. there is an incredible thing happening which is the hunter biden conviction was about a felony conviction. he lied on forms. committing a felony in terms of taking drugs and owning a gun. so he lied on the forms. now we have the ex-president holding a gun, having been convicted of a felony. a remarkable set of circumstances. charles coleman, asawin suebsaeng, thank you both. still to come, samuel alito s wife has more thoughts about flags, amazingly. aoc and jamie raskin on the supreme court legitimacy crisis, ahead. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i ll never miss a day of 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the opposite of pride. the alito s have not responded to requests for comment but none of what ms. alito said change the facts that justice alito allowed this to fly over his home while he sits in the highest court in the land hearing cases related to the insurrection on january 6 and sits on the court with his buddy clarence thomas whose wife was interviewed by the committee about her text with donald trump s chief of staff. both refused to recuse themselves, despite the obvious appearance of bias. when faced with an increasingly urgent question, what can be done about the out-of-control court? today democrats held a roundtable on the ethical crisis in the supreme court. i should note that one of the expert legal witnesses there was my wife. leading the panel was jamie raskin, the ranking member of the oversight committee and newark congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, the vice ranking member, and they join me now. it is good to have you on. thanks for having us. i will start with you and what the agenda was today. obviously you can t call hearings yourself as a ranking member and not the chair, but what were you trying to do today? oversight democrats wanted to respond to the national clamor over this crisis of legitimacy at the supreme court. so we analyzed the ethics crisis. we analyzed the political crisis around what got us into this and the blockaded confirmations of people like merrick garland, nominated by president obama to the court, and then we began to talk about what things could be done in the specific case of justices alito and thomas and generally about the ethical collapse of the supreme court. it is the highest court in the land with the lowest ethical standards. the only government officials in the land who are not governed by a binding ethics code. there is no process by which we can hold any of them accountable, so it violates the essential principle that james madison identified as the heart of our justice system. which is that no man can be a judge in his own cause. so we began to explore different avenues of holding them accountable. congresswoman, you said something toward the end of the hearing that it cannot be the case as a constitutional matter, as an almost intuitive commonsense matter, that they are not subject to any checks. we have three branches. checks and balances move between the positions and justice alito said in the wall street journal interview that congress has no ability to regulate us whatsoever. what should congress be doing? what are you brainstorming basically? what is the conversation about what those can be? of course justice alito s position is laughable in this. this idea that he can be and that the court should be accountable to nobody and that the only person they should be accountable to our themselves. this kind of scouts promise sort of set up for how we should be having ethics standards for the highest and most consequential court in the land. it is completely unacceptable and not only is it unacceptable but to have anyone of our coequal branches be completely unaccountable to the others is paving the path to authoritarianism, tyranny, the abuse of power in the united states. it is structurally, completely unsustainable. so it is not a question of if congress has jurisdiction and power over the supreme court. it is what power are we going to exercise in order to reign in a fundamentally unaccountable and rogue court? one of the beautiful things about today s roundtable is we were also able to call in one of our senate colleagues, senator whitehouse, who has been pursuing extensive investigations into the dark money network that has been exerting influence over the court and we raised and discussed varying measures from term limits to an actual binding ethics standard and also congressman raskin and myself will be introducing forthcoming legislation to even have the supreme court be subject to the same $50 gift rule that he and i are subject to, as are everyone else who are members of congress. that is a great point. my understanding, i was talking to my wife, kate shaw, about this. to give testimony during the hearing. she pointed out to me if i am not mistaken that things, for instance, you can get a book deal as a supreme court justice. that is allowed. but you could not like to be a partner that is something that congress passed a statute to say what you could and could not do, because obviously it would be nuts to be a supreme court justice and have a side gig as a lawyer. we all understand that. congress can pass statutes that say this activity is just not allowed. congress has a ban on outside employment and as aoc was saying, we have a $50 gift ban, so none of us goes anywhere near doing that. you don t do $500,000 vacations? that s the comical thing. members of congress don t even understand that. under what circumstance would a supreme court justice be accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars in foreign travel were paid tuition for family members or a recreational vehicle, motor stagecoach? it is outlandish for us to complicate to contemplate. it is like the normal business as usual at the supreme court that they are collecting millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars from their so-called friends. we need to clean that up. we said we will start with something simple that the whole country will be able to understand immediately and intuitively. we want a $50 gift ban. they make $300,000 a year. pay for your own lunch and pay for your own vacation. that does seem quite clear, congresswoman, and also has the advantage again. there are particular issues to deal with, but in some ways the only way to legislate it or for congress to act is outlining broad principles that are equally applicable. absolutely and as all of us as public servants, whether it is both chambers of congress, any of us are subject to the same or similar uniform code of ethics and the fact that the supreme court, which is already unelected, at least for those of us who run for office we have to re-run for office every two years in the house. for an unelected body of nine people, appointed for life, to not have any sort of binding, strict ethics code to which they cannot only be held accountable, but which can be enforced, is actually ludicrous. and it is almost unbelievable that we are sitting here in the year 2024, over 200 years after the establishment of this country, and that we actually have not addressed this issue. it is long past doing and it is common sense. one of the things we addressed, chris, was how the private corruption of the justices mirrors the public corruption of justice. it is this roberts court, this right-wing court dismantling civil rights laws, civil liberties, women s rights to choose, labor law, consumer law, you name it. as they grow more and more removed from the experiences of the way the rest of us live, the more they are willing to demolish the protections. the there are a bunch of things that happened outside of the ap purview that you have to do with equal justice under law and i wonder if both of you would stick around to talk ul about that, is that all right? 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i mean, it was very presidential and, you know, he showed in his statement love for his son and love for his country including the rule of law. the different reactions between a republican colleagues and our democratic colleagues with the trump verdict and hunter biden verdict, it is just astounding. nobody on our side said that the fix was in, nobody said that it was a travesty, nobody said that the justice needs to be turned upside down. everybody accepted it. hunter biden, like donald trump, had the right of counsel which you exercise, you have the presumption of innocence, he had the right to take the stand which he chose not to do like donald trump chose not to take the stand and they have both had unanimous jury verdicts finding that they were guilty on all counts. so i am saying about that what i said about donald trump s verdict which is, they have a right to appeal and they can do that under due process, thank god we have got that in america. and we are going to stand by the rule of law and the system of justice, for the same reason that we are fighting for a supreme court that restores its integrity and reputation because we need to have that kind of confidence, not just at the trial level in federal court or state court. we need to have it going all the way up. those of supreme court justices are just a complete runaway body. speaking of state court in new york, congresswoman, obviously you represent part of new york, there was a huge amount of insults and vitriol that has been directed at alvin bragg both from donald trump on down and people carrying water for him, that has now escalated. he will now he is being called by the house republicans before the judiciary committee and be grilled by house republicans who have rallied behind mr. trump since his conviction last month. gop lawmakers are perpetuating his false narrative that president biden ordered his prosecution. what you think about the fact that they are not escalating to the point where they will call alvin bragg before congress? what we are seeing here unseld is an outright abuse of power in the politicization of the seats of power these republicans hold in order to intimidate the courts and exact political revenge. we have to just look at this from a basic jurisdictional point of view. alvin bragg is not even this is not even a federal case in the same way. we are looking at a state court. and we are looking at municipal and state courts and we have republicans who are trying to haul them in, on what grounds exactly? this is not federal court, they do not have jurisdiction over it, this is truly just and attempt at public targeting. and we see that they do this, this is in the middle of donald trump, it is in the model of invoking and trying to incite as much anger and intimidation in order for them to get the outcomes that they want. they are so eager to be fans to donald trump that their political judgment is off because that is not where the public is and the public understands, with the hunter biden verdict in the donald trump verdict, the rule of law is just working and they are intervening, as you say, and an estate case in order simply to placate donald trump pics to precisely, what we are also seeing here is the stark contrast between joe biden and donald trump. and in president biden, we have both come yes, a loving father who is there to be supportive of his son, but also a president who respects rule of law and is willing to accept the outcomes of the case even if that outcome is not in favor with his family or his personal outcomes. whereas, you have donald trump who takes and finances the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign, a political intimidation, in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. and that at the core is part of the sticks of our democracy that are before us today. because once rule of law goes out the window, it is not something that is easy to get back and it is very much a part of the decision that we have to make before us in the next few months. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, congressman jamie raskin, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts now. we have new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren winsor has given us and we will be playing that in the hour, so stay tuned. i will pick like i said, exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover
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jamie raskin on the push to get answers from the supreme court. can you tell us about how the supreme court and specifically the chief justice have addressed the scandals? all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i m chris hayes. in a political era marked by seemingly never ending string of historic firsts, there s another one today. a record decision the conservatives received with glee. hunter biden has been found guilty on all counts in his gun trial. federal trial in wilmington. hunter biden, the last living son of the sitting president was convicted today on three felony counts related to his lying on a federal firearms application in 2018 by not disclosing the struggles with drug addiction. he had the gun for 11 days. hunter biden now faces as much as 25 years in prison and his father, president biden, did not blast the case is a which one or target the prosecutors, judge, and jurors some of whom called into cable news shows to discuss the verdict with no major fears for their own safety in this high-profile case. president biden did not shake his fist at the justice system. he put up the statement. as i said last week, i am the president but i am also a debt. jill and i love our son and we are proud of the man he is today. so many families who ve had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride seeing someone, the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery. as i also said, will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process is hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. i find that genuinely touching. love of family, respect for the process. its income incredibly stark contrast to the ceaseless barrage of absolutely unhinged authoritarian histrionics we all witnessed last month. remember? not just from donald trump but the entire republican party. other people dressing up as donald trump who went to the courthouse so he will pick them to be the vice president and mob chanting for them to be hanged. all of them calling to tear down the entire judicial system are casting aspersions at new york jurors or near justice for the judge or the prosecutor. all because their nominee got caught falsifying business records and was convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts. this was a rigged trial by a conflicted judge who was corrupt . a rigged trial, a disgrace. this is like the soviet style thing. show me the person and i ll show you the crime. it was a smear job. it was an attack job. it s what you see in a banana republic. the problem is democrats have crossed the line. it s a justice system the hunch republicans while protecting democrats. this was a hoax. a sham. do we want to become a country where we jail political opponents? republicans and protects democrats. what do you think the party affiliation of hunter biden is? and so, this hunter biden conviction is as clear a moment of contrast as possible between the two major coalitions, the major parties and political polls today. what did illustrates is one party under donald trump, and this is important, has placed itself outside the american constitution while the other still trying to defend and uphold of. that was closed in january 6 but at that time, particularly the aftermath, there was palpable horror among republicans. lots of them talking how horrified they were. re-signing from the administration and all that. there was a sense the party wanted to distance themselves from trump s lawlessness. that was then. today they are fully united as a party in opposition to that. attitude typified by possibly the most powerful conservative you ve never heard of russ vought, portions of the heritage foundation project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch in a trump presidency. this week, the washington post identified russ vought as a potential chief of staff and 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election, republicans insisted president biden would obstruct justice to keep his son free and they called for a special counsel to investigate hunter biden. when the new president comes in, it s his right to replace any u.s. attorney who wants in the usually do. been replaced donald trump s appointees at doj except for two. john durham who bill barr tasked with investigating the rusher probe, trump special. and david weiss who was investigating his own son. that is because the new president, at the pains of a possible criminal conviction of his surviving son in recovery wanted no appearance of impropriety or of fearon s. merrick garland went a step forward. and he appointed david weiss as special counsel to make sure his work on the hunter biden case was independent. that was a move that republicans opposed? the republicans in the house judiciary, david weiss can t be trusted. it s a new way to whitewash the biden family s corruption. after all of that and a plea deal that was worked out with hunter biden but ultimately rejected by the courts, he ended up charging the president s son for an weapons are rarely prosecuted that even trey gaudi, the far right ex- congressman and former prosecutor could scarcely believe. i did gun prosecutions for six years. i went after convicted felons. i went after people who were fugitives from justice. i went after lots of different people who were prohibited from possessing a firearm. i will bet you they were not 10 cases prosecuted nationwide of addicts or unlawful drug users who possess firearms relied on applications. i bet there were not a dozen. it makes you wonder of all the cases you could be pursuing in delaware, why are you pursuing this one? all of this facilitated by democrats in the white house and the department of justice and capitol hill, all to try to restore faith and equal justice under the law and the norms of the constitution. trump flagrantly violated the norms at every turn. stewing we could not interfere further. publicly calling for prosecutions. you may have forgotten this nugget that months into his presidency trump was calling federal prosecutors and cultivating relationships with them including the was attorney for the southern district beat barrera, obama holdover who was overseeing investigation into stock trades made by trump s health secretary tom price. he said those calls made him uncomfortable and he was fired as u.s. attorney less than a day after he finally refused to take a call from trump. people inside the administration would later tell propublica, trump s personal attorney bragged about getting bharara fired reportedly telling trump this guys going to get you. the former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york joins me now. an interesting study in contrast over the last few weeks. indeed. what strikes you about the reaction today? when you think of the biden family and how joe biden in particular thinks of his job, and his family, upon a conviction before the conviction, the investigation and arrest and indictment of his son given what his family is been through, you would think every parental, a fatherly instinct would ve been to protect him. if you are a father, you love your children more than you love yourself. you need to protect them from harm and you try to protect them from bad consequences. the biden family has suffered bad things as a family and yet there s some things more important than that when you are commander-in-chief and the president of the country. one of those things is no one is above the law and the rule of law matters. this that you have been pointing out, joe biden had absolute authority, literal authority. no authority over alvin bragg and did not direct the prosecution of trump. it s his justice department and he had authority to direct people not to prosecute his son. he could ve fired special counsel and directed them not be appointed in the first place. he could ve pardon has some preemptively. he could still pardon him but he said he will not do that. all of that conduct given it is his son, it s kind of think how unbelievable that is. in 1 million years if the shoe were on the other foot and donald trump was facing the prospect of his son being prosecuted by me if i had been held over, a biden holdover or obama holdover prosecution, not in 1 million years with that have happened. some of the people on the right who support donald trump are trying to cast this as some clever ops program by which this actually proves it to hash i will say it s outlandish to announce don jr. getting in trouble with guns or drugs. stephen miller said it s a misdirection and easy effort doj to sell to appliance media that s too willing to be due. it s about protecting joe biden and only joe biden. no matter what happens, the corrupt rigged system is steeper than you realize. if every possible outcome, permutation is arguably a point in your favor, maybe your position is terrible. i used a different word than terrible. i don t even think he was required even by probity to keep david weiss on in delaware. honestly. when i say bend over backwards, it would ve been perfectly reasonable bend over backwards above and beyond. and it would not be reasonable to say wink wink, nudge nudge. if you say, do your thing. he didn t have to do with. other features important to point out and you mentioned some of them in the intro. the jury verdict came out and they didn t dox the jury or take the judge. he didn t say it s a travesty of justice or a witch-hunt. he said what i used to say when i was attorney and from time to time even though with the you win some and lose some. we respect the jury. opposite of what trump did. one of the most striking things is after the trump verdict and i remember judge kaplan in the federal civil trial with e. jean carroll told the jurors, you can talk to the press, i advise you not to. and they did not. in alvin bragg s case they did not talk to the press. they would expose himself to harassment a possibly threats and harassment. i m a reporter and i like it. what a contrast. it s a stark contrast. i think it goes to show and when joe biden and his supporters talk about the rule of law, they mean it. you can disagree with his policies. talk about the border and other things that are not in my daily work but on the question of whether or not the rule of law is to be enforced in fear or favor to be given to anyone including the son of a sitting president of the united states, the republicans are full of it on the trump side and biden is not. walk the walk. final question, independence and the department of justice. we have a post-nixon order. one of the things about nixon, a level of regulation, norms, and statures was the department of justice can t just be a tool in the hands of the executive to pursue vendetta. to prosecute and punish enemies. to protect friends. the trump vision is that. explicitly that. russ vought, they really think we are going to come in ski and it will be day one open investigation and that person and prosecute them. that which they accused everyone as of doing, they are saying, there is great irony, one of the cases pending against donald trump, the mar-a- lago case in florida, donald trump s team is made a number of motions to dismiss the indictment. one is vindictive prosecution. there is no evidence of that. no evidence that joe biden or anyone else directed that prosecution and indictment. by saying the things they re saying now that you are pointing out, donald trump ironically laying the foundation for a vindictive persecution motion to dismiss on the part of all the current people who donald trump will be going after because he s announcing his plans before election. all the statements in the plans, project 2025 and everything is will be chapter and verse in the briefs asking for the dismissal of those indictments. that s a great point. preet bharara, thank you. coming up congressman alexandria ocasio-cortez and jamie raskin on the scandals rocking the maga supreme court. donald trump s rude awakening from the criminal justice system. l justice system. her uncle s unhappy. i m sensing an underlying issue. it s t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit. unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock.” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it s not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. donald trump has been convicted of 34 felonies and now, americans, the ones who don t know at least getting a crash course the way life changes when you become a felon. since his conviction, trump is expected to have his gun license revoked under federal law. convicted felons are prohibited from possessing a gun. that was part of the issue when the hunter trial. it s unclear what it means for guns he has in his possession a. he told the probation officer he has a gun in florida. he could lose his liquor licenses first three new jersey golf clubs. new jersey prohibits any person who is been convicted of a crime of moral turpitude from having a liquor license. have you ever been convicted of a crime is often on job applications. a subject of reform campaigns to ban the box as a way to help former convicts get jobs and reenter society. that question about criminal convictions is part of the vetting for vice presidential pick where it seems only one member of the ticket gets to be a felon. the vast for a number of things. a number of people have been asked to submit this and that. like taxes? i don t know everything. criminal background? have you convicted a crime. charles coleman and civil rights defense attorney. a senior political reporter at rolling stones who has covered trump world. trump hoped would save him from conviction. they join me. it s interesting to watch folks who don t know this to watch the various implications of being convicted of a felony and the different regulations and things you cannot do. in some states it s voting, liquor licenses, and the like. speaking as a person of color and a former prosecutor, i am unmoved by these newfound epiphanies that are occurring on the right with respect to the reality of life in america if you are a convicted felon. one thing i find to be particularly interesting is how the right is scrambling to rearrange the narrative of what it is to be a felon. you are talking about the party that has planted its flag on the notion of law and order in america now having to walk out and say it s politically advantageous for our candidate to have 34 convictions on his record. this is a narrative they are not going to be able to square but it s funny to watch them try. he had invited on stage in the box, two folks broad conspiracy of folks like moving heavy drugs and violent crime. very serious stuff and has them on the state. this is our thing now. you were talking whether someone is an associate of felons. that is donald trump s jam. the list is very long. shockingly long, especially for someone who held the highest office in the country. i think it is a psych job. they re trying to say it s good we are felons. it s amazing how the tough on crime falls by the wayside when it s the racist game show host. donald trump and his minions love to talk to in and day out but two tiered system of justice. he is correct that one does exist in the country but he is at this tier and everybody is below. there s so many things he has been doing lately that no other defendant in a criminal trial could get away with. including the stuff he said about the judge. behind the scenes and in the open, and his maga brain trust prepared to exploit parts of the u.s. criminal code, as we have reported, to go after the alvin bragg sand letitia james and jack smith if he returns to power. some of this is cooked up behind the scenes in policy papers but so much is done in the open. you also have got them get alvin bragg before a committee. he is going to testify at the gop led judiciary committee. one question i have about this is, does any of this matter in the process that trump is going through? no, it does not. ramose, the probation officer? it s all rigged? does that matter from what sentencing? his public rhetoric absolutely i thought you were referring to alvin bragg. with respect to the things that donald trump is parroting and continues to parrot in the public dialogue around his case, that matters. one of the things a probation officer will take into account is what degree of understanding and remorse do you have? i screwed up. i am sorry. when you are in every opportunity in front of a microphone saying what a political prosecution this was. you have been reported on this that house republican leaders are gauging support for legislation that would like current and former president move a state case to federal court. have you heard any of that? oh, yeah. we reported at the end of last month that trump had been calling around to different conservative allies including republican lawmakers on capitol hill to lobby them when i m back in office, wouldn t it be great if you passed legislation ready for me to send that can have former and current president move their cases to federal court? again, i think they re getting high on their supply. i feel like that is a bad bill to vote for. for a front-line republican member. if you are a maga lawmaker, there is a cute appeal to it. it s not only moderate republicans saying maybe we should not do this. i have spoken to extremely maga attorneys close to donald trump with told me, maybe we shouldn t go down this run. we want to use state ag s and district attorneys to go after joe biden or hillary clinton. the principle applying equal he would hang them up. there is back and forth about the gun situation. i m sure you have encountered this. folks have guns. what does the law say about whether he can keep the gun in florida, new york crime. he will probably need to turn the gun in in florida. he will have a grace period or that s allowed. technically, he might be in violation of the law upon the notice of conviction, he will probably allowed some leeway but it would not surprise me if he has to turn it in. hunter biden conviction today was about he lied on a form because you cannot in terms of taking drugs and own a gun. violation of federal law and lied on the forms and of the ex- president holding a gun. having been convicted of a felony. it s a remarkable set of circumstances. thank you both. samuel alito s wife has even more thoughts about flags. aoc and jamie raskin on the supreme court s legitimacy crisis. itimacy crisis. hi, i m janice and i lost 172 pounds on golo. a friend told me that i was the only one holding me back from being as beautiful on the outside as i am on the inside. once i saw golo was working i felt this rush. golo really works. donald trump wins in november his plans including as the washington post reports a plot to convert federal civil service into an authoritarian tool to report friends and punish enemies. the scope of his plan his desire to weaponize the government against perceived foes. one of the most striking example was a trump department of justice lengthy battle to block the merger between at&t and time warner on antitrust grant. there was always a suspicion which is been all but confirmed that trump was trying to block the merger because he did not like time warner s news network cnn. antitrust and trump s hands was another tool of government authority that could be used to corrupt ends. in the latest episode of my podcast series why is this happening with pot 2024 those steaks? i talked with timothy who is the architect of president biden s antitrust policy. we talked about the respective records of donald trump and joe biden as president when it comes to antitrust action. there were indications, genuine bits of evidence, and a widespread perception amongst i think fortune 500 corporate elite that this was essentially, if you are with trump, if you were his friend you could get the merger approved and it you were his enemy you would have a problem. this became this powerful almost unilateral lover for trump to wield against people he did not like and the most notorious case being, and i think it was somewhat surprising, when the doj announced it would block a proposed at&t time warner merger. there is some evidence to suggest that at least partly it was born of the animus trump hat of cnn s coverage of him. that is pretty bad. i think it s a thing where trump didn t think there was a problem with it. no. i think he thought it was within his rights to order the breakup of a company he did not like. his white house counsel sort of restrained were slightly dead and that. there is so much circumstantial evidence that the white house and the presidency were involved in antitrust decisions that it s hard to deny it. you can find the full conversation i had with him who is a fascinating guy and an amazing record in this area by going to why is this happening? the stakes by scanning the qr code on your screen. you can listen to it wherever you get your podcast. ur podcas flight. cirkul is the energy that gets you to the next level. cirkul is what you hope for when life tosses lemons your way. cirkul, available at walmart and drinkcirkul.com. i must admit i was skeptical when supreme court justice samuel alito blamed his wife for that upside down american flag flying at their home after january 6. a symbol adopted by trump supporters who believed the 2020 election was stolen. it seemed like a convenient explanation but it looks like justice alito was telling the truth when he said infamously, quote, my wife is fond of flying flags. i am not. listen to her in a recent conversation secretly recorded and released by activist lauren windsor. you know what i want? i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. and he s like, please don t put up a flag. i said i won t do it because i am deferring to you. but when you re free of this nonsense, putting it up and i m going to send a message every day, maybe every week. i made a flag in my head. this is how we satisfy myself. i made a flag. it s white and yellow and orange flames around it and in the middle is this word. in italian that means shame. shame. the opposite of pride? they have not responded to an nbc news request for comment but none of what she said changes the facts that justice alito allowed the flag to fly over so molly sits in the highest court on the land hearing cases related to the insurrection in january 6 and he sits on the court along with his buddy clarence thomas his wife was interviewed by the january 6 committee better tax with trump s chief of staff. both justice thomas and alito refused to root recuse himself despite the obvious appearance. we are faced with an urgent question. what can be done about us out of control court? democrats in the house oversight committee held a roundtable on the ethical crisis in the supreme court. one of the expert legal witnesses was my wife. leading the panel was jamie raskin, ranking member the oversight committee and new york congresswomen alexandria ocasio-cortez, the vice ranking member and they post join me now. good to have you on. thank you for having us. i will start with you about what the agenda was today to convene this. you cannot call hearings herself as a ranking member and not the chair. what were you trying to do today? the oversight democrats wanted to respond to the national clamor over this crisis of legitimacy at the supreme court. we analyzed the ethics crisis and we analyze the political crisis around confirmations that got us into this and the blockade of confirmations of people like merrick garland who was nominated by president obama that we began to talk about what things could be done both in the specific case of justices alito and thomas and about the ethical collapse at the supreme court. the highest court in the land with the lowest ethical standards. the only governmental officials in the land who are not governed by a binding ethics code. there is no process by which we can hold them accountable. it violates the essential principle that james madison identified as the heart of our justice system which is no man can be a judge in his own cause. we began to explore different avenues of holding them accountable. congresswoman, you said something toward the end saying it cannot be the case, a constitutional matter as an almost intuitive common sense matter that they are not subject to any checks. we have three coequal branches. checks and balances between them three branches in the position alito said in an interview that congress has no ability to regulate us whatsoever. what should congress be doing? what are you brainstorming? what s the conversation about what those checks can be? of course, justice alito s position is laughable. this idea that he can be and the court should be accountable to nobody and the only person that should be accountable is are themselves. this scouts promise sort of set up for how we should be having ethics standards for the highest and most consequential court in the land. it s completely unacceptable and not only unacceptable, but to have one of our coequal branches be completely unaccountable to the others is paving the path to authoritarianism, tyranny, the abuse of power in the united states. it s structurally, completely unsustainable. it s not a question of if congress has jurisdiction and power over the supreme court. it is what power are we going to exercise in order to reign in a fundamentally unaccountable and rogue court? one of the beautiful things about the roundtable today is we were able to call in one of our senate colleagues, senator white house, who has been pursuing extensive investigations into the dark money networks that has been exerting influence over the court and we raised and discussed a varying degrees of measures from term limits to actual binding ethics standard and congressman raskin i myself will be introducing a forthcoming legislation to even have the supreme court be subject to the same $50 gift rule that he and i are subject to is everyone else is, members of congress. that is a great point. i was talking to my wife kate shaw who gave testimony today before your hearing. she pointed out to me that if i m not mistaken, things like, you can get a book deal as a supreme court justice but you could not be a partner of wilmer hail. that s something congress passed a statute to say what you could or could not do. you would be nuts to be a supreme court justice and have a side gig as a lawyer. presumably, you can change data congress can pass statutes that says this is not allowed. congress has a ban on outside employment and as aoc was saying, we have a $50 gift ban. none of us goes near doing that. you don t do $500,000 vacations? that s a comical thing. members of congress don t even understand that. what circumstances would a supreme court justice accept millions of dollars in foreign travel prepaid tuition for very family members or recreational vehicle, motor stagecoach. it s outlandish to contemplate. that s a general level of funds for people over here. the normal business as usual at the supreme court that they are collecting millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars from the so-called friends. we need to clean that up. we said, we will start was something simple that the country can understand immediately. we want a $50 gift ban for u.s. supreme court justices. they make $300,000 a year. pay for your own lunch and you re on vacation. that does seem quite clear congresswoman and has the advantage, there s issues to deal with. in some ways, the only way to legislate for congress to act as outlaying broad principles that are broadly applicable. absolutely. as all of us as public servants of federal public servants whether it s both chambers of congress, the white house, many of us are subject to the same if not extremely similar and uniform code of ethics. the fact that the supreme court which is already unelected, at least for those of us who run for office, we have to re-run for office every two years in the house. for an unelected body of nine people appointed for life do not have any sort of binding, strict ethics code to which they cannot only be held accountable but which can be enforced, is actually ludicrous. it s almost unbelievable that we are sitting here in the year 20 24/200 years after the establishment of this country, and we have not addressed this issue. it is something that s long past doing and it s common sense. one thing we addressed is how the private corruption of the justices mirrors the public correction corruption of. it has been dismantling civil rights law, civil liberties, women s right to choose an abortion, labor law, consumer law, you name it. as they grow more removed from the experiences of the way the rest of us live, the more they are willing to demolish the protections the rest of us need to. there s a bunch of things to happened outside of the purview of this question, the court has to deal with equal justice under law and i wonder if you would stick around to talk about that. love to. love to. are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com craig here pays too much for verizon 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i mean, it was very residential and he showed in his statement love for his son and love for his country including the rule of law. the different reactions between republican colleagues and democratic colleagues with the trump verdict in the hunter biden verdict, it s astounding. nobody on our side said the fix was in. nobody said it was a travesty. nobody said that justice system needs to be turned upside down. everybody accepted it. hunter biden like donald trump had the right of counsel which he exercised. he had the presumption of innocence and had the right to take the stand but chose not to do. trump chose not to do. they had unanimous jury verdicts finding they were guilty on all counts. i am saying about that what i said about trump s burdick which is they have a right to appeal and they can do that under due process. thank gut we ve got that in america and we will stand by the rule of law and the system of justice for the same reason we are fighting for a supreme court that restores its integrity and reputation. we need to have that kind of confidence not just at the trial level, federal court or state court, we need it all the way up. those supreme court justices are a runaway body at this point. speaking of state court in new york, congresswoman you represent part of new york. there was insults and vitriol that has been directed at alvin bragg from donald trump down in the people s carrying water for him. that has escalated. he is being called for the house republicans before i think the judiciary committee and be grilled by house republicans have rallied behind trump since his conviction. gop lawmakers are perpetuated the false narrative that president biden ordered his prosecution. what do you think about the fact that they are escalating to the point where they will haul alvin bragg before congress? what we are seeing here unfold is an out right abuse of power in the politicization, the seats of power these republicans hold to intimidate the courts and exact political revenge. we have to look at this from a basic jurisdictional point of view. alvin bragg is not even dad it s not even a federal case. we are looking at a state court. we are looking at municipal and state courts. we have republicans who are trying to haul them in, on what grounds exactly? it s not federal court. they do not have jurisdiction over it. it is truly an attempt at public targeting. we see they do this. it s in the model of donald trump and the model of invoking and trying to incite as much anger and intimidation in order for them to get the outcomes they want. and they are eager to be servile sycophants of donald trump that their political judgment is up. that s not where the public is and they understand what the hunter biden verdict in the donald trump verdict the rule of law is working and they are intervening as you say in a state case in order to placate donald trump. precisely. what we are also seeing is the stark contrast between joe biden and donald trump. president biden we have yes a loving father who was there to be supportive of his son but also a president who respects the rule of law and willing to accept the outcomes of a case even if the outcome is not in favor with his family or his personal outcomes. you have donald trump who takes and weaponize is the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign of political intimidation in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. that at the core is part of the stakes of our democracy that are before us today. once rule of law goes out the window, it s not something that is easy to get back. it s very much a part of the decision we have to make in the next few months. thank you for all your time tonight. that s all in on this tuesday night . night . tuesday night. good evening, alex. we have some new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren windsor has given us and
that is tonight s last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, hunter biden guilty in his federal gun case. what s next for the president s only living son as he awaits sentence thing and what it could mean for the race. then my exclusive interview with john bolton. why he thinks we are not taking the former president s threats seriously enough. plus, pride month under attack. why progress is being lost as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle and we are now 147 days away from the election and today the president son, hunter biden, was convicted on all counts in his federal gun trial. the jury deliberated the three counts for just three hours. president biden says he accepts the outcome of the case and will always be there for his son. here is my colleague ryan nobles with more. reporter: tonight president biden arriving in delaware, hugging his son on the tarmac after hunter biden became the first child of a sitting president found guilty in a criminal trial. no one in this country is above the law. reporter: it took three hours of deliberations for 12 jurors to unanimously determine hunter biden guilty of three felony counts. for lying about his drug use on a federal background check to buy a gun. special counsel david weiss, who oversaw the prosecution, saying this is not a case about hunter s struggles with crack, but his decision to break the law. s choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and then to possess that gun. it was these choices and the combination of guns and drugs that made his conduct dangerous. reporter: inside the courtroom, the president s 54- year-old son did not react as the verdict was read. he left the courthouse holding the hand of the first lady, later releasing a statement saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community then i am disappointed about the outcome. the verdict comes after four days of testimony from people who are or were once close to hunter biden. many testifying about his drug use around the time he filled out the background check saying he was not a drug user. his ex-girlfriend testified she witnessed hunter smoking crack every 20 minutes or so. the prosecution also using clips from hunter s own book. i have no plans beyond the moment. reporter: the defense argued hunter biden did not knowingly lie on the form. tonight we spoke to juror number 10, who asked that we conceal his identity. separating the politics from the case a absolutely. for us it was not politically motivated. politics never played into anything that we said in the jury room. reporter: president biden, who said he would not pardon his son, writing, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. with that let s get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel this evening. mike memoli is here. he has covered president biden and his family for more than a decade. susan glasser joins us, staff writer for the new yorker and harry litman, former assistant attorney general. mike, you know this president and his family better than any other reporter out there. how are they all reacting to this? biden has a lot of family expressions and one i have heard him invoke so often is that family is everything. it is the beginning, it is the middle, and it is the end. in the more than decade of covered president biden i have seen them come together to celebrate their greatest triumphs. the election, the inauguration most recently. i have also seen them have to endure some of the most difficult and tragic moments as a family. this is one that yet again has brought the family together. to really take stock of a very difficult moment. really the past week and a half has been so difficult to have to relive through this trial the most difficult moments of their family, starting with the death of beau biden and what it did to hunter biden, leading to the addiction to drugs. as i have been talking to people close to the family tonight i have been struck by a tone of defiance about what comes next. there has been concern about what this might mean politically, but also personally for president biden. he is 21 weeks away from his last election. 16 days away from a consequential debate against donald trump, but the tone i am hearing from people close to the president is that they are so proud of their public service as a family and nothing is going to stop them from achieving the goal that is set out in front of them. they know they have a difficult task ahead. the politics, the legal situation does not get easier from here but they are determined to face this together as a family. harry, you wrote in the l.a. times that the jury decision was right, but the prosecution was wrong. i don t think i know what that means. let me try. department of justice guidelines, stephanie, have ways of handling cases and cases like this in which someone lies on a form but does not do any other crime with a gun or part of a gang or whatever are universally dismissed or not treated with the severity that david weiss treated this one. that is how david weiss first proposed to treat this one about a year ago when the gun charges were going to be the subject of a diversion agreement if hunter biden kept clean for two years. it would go away. so the screaming question, not the jury verdict but the question to charge presents and i don t know what the answer is. what happened to change his view of what was the proper punishment and treatment of hunter biden to take it outside how gop practice would normally treat it. because he is a special counsel no one in the doj supervisory structure which normally would say we don t do that to these cases, here is how we handle these cases. no one was there to say that and i think it is certain for whatever reason that hunter was treated more severely than another defendant with the same facts. you have written that you don t think a game changer could change voters minds about this election so i assume you think this verdict won t have much of an impact. we are getting to the point that you are anticipating me too well. look, if donald trump s conviction and becoming the first convicted felon in american history who was a former president, if that was not a radical change in the election, i don t see the conviction of a private citizen, even one who was the son of a current president to be a game changer in this race. it was that close. there was a minor, incremental shift at best toward biden. it is not entirely clear how this conviction of biden s son will play politically. certainly republicans were immediately questioning this, saying this is really just a distraction and all sorts of instantaneous conspiracy theories. default setting from some of trumps public supporters and defenders. you know, hunter biden is not running for president and that s the bottom line. there is no evidence that years of investigations of him, of dragging his name around, has really affected biden s political standing and i don t anticipate this would, either. hunter biden is not running for president. we should remind our audience he has no role in our government, past, present, and no plans for the future. harry, what could he be looking at as far as sentence goes? the standard guidelines would dictate a sentence between 15 to 21 months, based on the conduct and lack of criminal history. those are just recommendations and my best guess, consistent with what i was saying about how people who don t do anything else other than lie on the form are treated is that he will receive a fair bit less than that from the judge. remember however that there are still the tax charges he has to face and david weiss made it clear that the investigation is ongoing and he may be targeting some of hunter biden s conduct in 2014 or so in china, in business dealings. for this charge i expect him to get a sentence that is a matter of months, not the 15 to 21 that the guidelines would otherwise dictate. even if it is just a few months, hunter biden, unlike most people in his situation has secret service protection. so how does that work? your guess is as good as mine, though we have been thinking about it and we know the secret service prepared a plan when it came up with donald trump. trump would have his own wing and people would be there. there would be a lot of cooperation with local authorities. here it is easier because it is federal authorities, bureau of prisons and secret service. that will be worked out one way or another. i think that is sort of the least of the practical issues that this conviction poses today. michael, you laid it out for us, how close the biden family has. how to finance the president is when it comes to protecting his family, how he talks about the family. around this time last year i interviewed the president. much to his teams chagrin, anger, fury, i asked about hunter and he said my son is an innocent man, my son is a good man. the president is now headed deeper into this campaign into the debate stage. how is he going to handle the questions he is asked, the narrative around hunter now that we have this guilty verdict and a president who does respect the rule of law and decisions made by a jury? just think about the gauntlet that is ahead. i mentioned 16 days from now is the first debate. preparation is critical. the president tomorrow is leaving for an important foreign trip. meeting with other key leaders as well as pope francis. you know how close this president is with that hope. it will be an interesting meeting, but then he comes back and has a little over a week to prepare for that debate. we have never in modern history scenery match between combatants like trump and biden and we know the strategy on the part of the former president is very likely to try to get under president biden skin and use this against him. the biden team looks at 2020 when, yes, hunter biden was a frequent political cudgel that trump tried to use against him and the president s advisers say it did not work then and it actually backfired on donald trump. they are presenting this as do this at your own peril to donald trump, but i think it is a concern to people close to president biden that as important as the debate is and as important as preparation is, will he be able to focus on the task at hand? the answer from those i ve spoken to today is that is not going to be an issue. susan, i m sure you remember this question. former president trump and his friends at fox news said it over and over and over. where is hunter? they said it for days, weeks, months. it seemed like years. yet after today s verdict the trump campaign was basically silent, saying it is just a distraction. what in the world is going on here, susan? well, first of all i guess now that donald trump himself where s the label of convicted felon and has been at the spearhead of the most kind of concerted assault that we have ever seen, i think, by one political party in this country against the very legitimacy of the legal system. it is not exactly a comparison that is favorable where you have democrats on down today saying listen, we respect the rule of law. biden isn t going to issue a pardon for his own son. as painful as this is we think that the jury system works and things like that. the contrast with trump is obviously one that is very unfavorable and i am struck by how quickly trumps allies immediately reverted to conspiracy theories and make- believe. i can t stress that enough. they are still in burnet down mode when it comes to our legal system and that includes, you know, trying to imply that this case is a distraction from the real secret being covered up, the real case that should be brought against hunter biden. whatever the conspiracy theory is, it is part of a purposeful plan to rip down the authority and the legitimacy of the legal system, because of donald trump. because of one man. republicans like to say the current president weaponize is the justice department, but i want to share with democrat jim mcgovern had to say about that very thing. watch this. apparently when a republican is convicted it is weaponization, but when a democrat is convicted, the president s son no less, that is justice. give me a break. hunter biden was found guilty by a jury of his peers, just like donald trump. the divide is stunning and it is a great reminder that one political party remains committed to the rule of law and the other doesn t. jim mcgovern bringing a rational thought to a political party. crazy to do these days. michael, there are a lot of apolitical people. it seems like what you laid out with the a clear contrast for voters. is it? it is interesting because what we didn t hear from the president, from those around him tonight, was criticism of a trump appointed judge that presided over this trial or the prosecution from the trump appointed special counsel. there was none of that in the statement before the trial began and today when the try was over, he reiterated his respect for the rule of law and freedom and democracy have been an important part of the president s campaign. that is an example he is showing not just through those words, but the words we saw in another interview last week. the president has the power after this difficult moment, this difficult verdict, to free his son of any potential jail time. he can issue a pardon as soon as the sentence comes down and he has said he will not do that. if ever there was an opportunity for a president to put their finger on the scale of the justice system and given how close he and his family are, it would seem to be in this moment and he said he is not going to do that. thank you all for starting us off on this very serious news evening. when we return this man once worked in the trump administration and a cabinet level position. now one of his biggest critics. john bolton talks the verdicts in both trump and hunter biden s trials. later the biden campaign has an aggressive strategy to brand trump as a felon. how the president s sons verdict could complicate that. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a tuesday night. da. 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i don t think enough people are. when you hear trump saying things like people are saying that retribution can be justified, what he really means is i am saying that retribution can be justified. i think he has a long list of adversaries he wants to go after, but i think the justice department under the trump administration will be in continuing chaos as he tells his political appointee is to go after people whether there are grounds to do it or not and what those lawyers do will tell you a lot about their legal integrity. i think it will put the judiciary under real pressure. you might be on the perceived enemy list. are you concerned at all for your safety? i m concerned about a lot of people that i think he made clear he wants to go after. he tried to suppress my book. he tried to get a criminal investigation started. both of those have been settled and taken out of the picture because they were utterly without merit, but i don t think those technicalities stand in trumps way. he said for example he wants to prosecute the former chairman of the joint chief of staff s for daring to have a conversation with his chinese counterpart in the run-up to january 6, to assure the chinese that they need not worry. trump says that his treason and he reminded people that the death penalty used to apply. i think he is very serious. he may joke about it a little bit, but this will be a retribution presidency and i think the justice department will be where the rubber meets the road. you called the new york verdict a fire bell in the night and you urged your party to nominate somebody else at the convention. do you think that is something that could realistically happen? is there a group behind the scenes potentially working on this? i don t think it is realistic, but i think people ought to have a gut check one more time. for most americans voting for a convicted felon, i think, is going to be a real obstacle. you can say all you want that this was the result of political discrimination against trump. he will be able to raise the selective prosecution argument on appeal. when the case was put in front of 12 regular americans, new yorkers like donald trump used to be, they found him guilty. i think the facts the prosecution presented were clear and that is a problem the party will have and could affect senate candidates, house candidates, gubernatorial candidates. i think if he is elected, electing the first convicted felon as president of the united states will cause real damage to the united states and how we are perceived abroad. given the guilty verdict today for president biden son, hunter biden, what do you say to those republicans who say joe biden weaponized the department of justice and made it his political tool? right and basically shot his son in the process. it is a conspiracy theory. i speak as an alumnus of the department of justice. you could not do in that department what trumps supporters say has been done and not have it leaked to every major media outlet in the country. it is possible to be the victim of selective prosecution and unfairly so and also be guilty. i think certainly that is probably true in trump s case. in hunter biden s case they are not done with him yet. there will be an income tax case and the u.s. attorney, special counsel investigation into hunter continues. so i would like to see what the impact of this case is on the election. it will have an election impact, even though it is not joe biden. it is his son. and see what people think when trump says poor donald trump, the whole world is against him. apparently against hunter biden, too. do you think donald trump is a threat to democracy? we keep hearing that phrase. i want to know if you believe it and if so, practically, tangibly what does it look like? i don t think it is a threat to democracy or our system. i think it will cause enormous damage and a term of confusion and turmoil. but the idea that donald trump is going to overthrow the united states constitution, overthrow the republic as an existential threat to democracy gives him too much credit. i think it is important to state the threat accurately. not to overstate it, not to understate it, but to understand what the nature of the threat is so people who oppose it can combat it more effectively. overdoing it i think gives trump a break and that s a mistake. you said that donald trump doesn t have the brains for dictatorship. even though he said that he would be a dictator on day one. does that make him any less dangerous if he is not that smart but still wants to be a dictator? i think it goes to the point that while donald trump has an infinite span of attention when it comes to the greater glory of donald trump, his attention span on most other issues is about he will to a fruit fly. so that his opponents and even some of his supporters who try and move him away from the most dangerous things that he does will have plenty of room to try to step in. i m not trying to minimize what i see donald trump doing. i think what he was doing at the end of his first term is where it will pick up the day he is inaugurated and it is serious. when you say the republic itself will fall like the roman republic well, really? people think donald trump is equal to julius caesar? give me a break. he may not be, but this time around he won t have the safety guards of you, h.r. mcmaster, the list goes on. are you concerned about the people that are in his current orbit and what they are capable of doing and how they can influence him? yes, i think any administration in a second term does not attract the quality of people it does in the first for the very practical reason that the runway in the second term is shorter. trump will be a lame duck the minute he is sworn in and he has a lot of people around him. basically the people who stayed in the government after january 6 who were second and third rate at best. i think the bigger danger is that trump will insist on staffing a second term on personal loyalty to him above all. he is coming up with his decision for his vice presidential nominee and i think the two questions are, number one, do you think the 2020 election was stolen? and number two, if i told you in a similar situation to do what i told mike pence to do, would you do it? unless the answer to both questions is yes, then that person will not be considered for vice president. i think you will see something similar in all of the key positions. that is a very dangerous circumstance and to the extent the senate republicans included take the confirmation process seriously. if they see people who are more loyal to donald trump than they are to the constitution, that alone is grounds against them. is there a certain person that you see as highly dangerous who you are worried about? i would not want to give any of them academy awards. i think there are bright people including people in the house and senate who have joined this cult of personality and the smarter they are, the more dangerous they are. you are giving us some very serious warnings and things to take seriously, but something i m going to say is not that serious. a write in vote. this election is going to be joe biden or donald trump. in 2020 you wrote in dick cheney. you said you would do it again. are you really giving a clear and honest warning if you are willing to do another right in that won t help anything? look, i bought that argument in 2016 when hillary clinton ran against trump and i voted for trump in 2016. hillary and bill were a year ahead of me in law school and i like to say i ve been burdened with them a lot longer than the rest of the country. after working for trump i could not vote for him, but i did not vote for joe biden in 2020 and won t this year because i don t think he is fit to be president either, for different reasons. when you have two people who don t cross the bar of acceptability, i think it is legitimate to cast a protest vote. a lot of republicans told me a year ago that they would not vote for trump. that they will look at biden and choose what they considered to be the lesser of two evils and i hear other republicans and some democrats say the opposite. it is an unhappy time for america when these are the two people we nominated and it will be a bad four years for america, whichever of them wins. then are these concerns that you have that serious? writing somebody and who won t when is not serious. it s a protest vote. if i didn t vote for anybody this time it would be a protest vote as well. i m not going to vote for someone i think is not qualified, not fit for the office. i m not going to vote for people whose principles i don t agree with. ambassador, think you for joining me today. pleasure to meet you. glad to do it. when we return, how hunter biden s guilty verdict could impact his father s reelection campaign, especially with the first debate two weeks away. when the 11th hour continues. ffects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga you know what s brilliant? 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they can t, stephanie and i think we are already seeing previews of how they will contort themselves and make the reach that, oh no, this hunter biden verdict is unique in and of itself. completely different from what is happening to trump and that is not the reality. i think republicans will still try to say that even though it has been demonstrated that they have nothing to gain here. they tried and failed repeatedly to use hunter biden as a political football and the responses today show that they fully understand that it is nothing for them to win here. i think we were describing trump statement as a distraction. so i don t expect them to stop at that, right? they will keep with the trump lies, but when we look at this broadly we have to keep in mind that that is not going to have an impact in the selection. throughout the afternoon we ve heard it repeated that hunter biden is not running for election, donald trump is. we ve also heard the contrast from president biden who fully says he accepts the jury decision. he respects the justice system, compared to trump saying it is rigged and i think that is a contrast that will be replayed again and again and that will be something that captures voters attention more than the verdict specifically on hunter biden. hunter biden is a one off. menendez s legal bills would disagree. the president has started to use the term, convicted felon, calling trump that over and over. now that his son is in that camp, does it make it harder for him to do that? no, because he is not talking about his son. he s talking about the guy running against him to be the next president of the united states. hunter is not running for anything. hunter is taking care of business and will have another casey will have to deal with, just as donald trump is taking care of his business and will have three or four other cases to deal with. from the president s perspective it is smart politics to call the thing what it is. why would you run away from that? honestly he is a convicted felon. we watched our friends on this network countdown each count, one through 34. i think for the biden team it is an opportunity for them to lean into the politics and this is a political campaign. what candidate in the country, in the world for that matter, would not use this kind of weakness that is self-imposed by his opponent? remember this is all because of what donald trump did. joe biden was not in that hotel room with stormy daniels. donald trump was. the reality of it is, that is the reality. that s the truth. those are the facts and why not talk about it when the moment presents itself? judging when and exactly how each time may be a matter of some decision, but lean into it and call the thing what it is. i want to talk about somebody else that talks about politics today in the presidential race. a republican we don t hear from often, paul ryan, he was on fox news and here is what he said. he said he is a populist and authoritarian narcissist. it is a job that rick myers the kind of character he just does not have. that s pretty strong. that s the way i feel. i agree with that. i don t support biden, either. i think his policies are terrible. a lot of republicans make this argument. we heard john bolton saying basically the same thing on the show. michael, what is your response to that? my response is okay. to a certain extent, to each his own, but at a certain point it has to become about the country. going back to your discussion with john bolton, the reality is this is a big deal. you have an individual who is running for president who says he wants to be a dictator. i don t know. that is not what we do or have done. that is not what we are inclined towards. yet we may have had folks in america who danced with this idea back in the 30s. and in the 1950s with john birch society, but leaders in this country and ultimately the american people said that is not who we are. i am not forsaking the future of my kids and my grandkids to some fool who wants to be a dictator, because i know what history has taught me about dictatorships and that is not who we are. so at a certain point the paul ryan s and john bolton s may sit and go, i can t do that. but what i am asking my fellow republicans to do and center- right voters to do is think about the country for once. think about the bigger issue. think about your kids and the importance of this. there are a lot of things about the biden administration policies i could disagree with all day long, but they are not a threat to my freedom. they are not a threat to my family and my future. i get up every morning and have that fight with the administration. i can t have that fight with thugs from a former dictator knocking on my door. i m at a disadvantage there as an american citizen. so there are some important points to be made about this election. i happen to think that is one of them. i hope paul ryan and others will come around and at the end of the day what they do in the privacy of the voting booth is their business, despite what they may say publicly. i m guessing right now mitch mcconnell is tucked into his bed, nodding and agreeing with everything michael is saying. in public he is going to be welcoming donald trump later this week along with fellow senate republicans. how do you think this will go? these two men have not met in person since 2020. they may loathe each other, but they both love power. they both love authority and that is one reason they will continue to do the public display. i want to go back to something michael said that connected the dots in the way that john bolton couldn t. understanding that threat is important because what bolton could not commit to is that trump is a threat to our democracy. it was jarring to me to hear that interview in a post january 6 reality, in an effort to undermine the 2020 election results reality, where trump still refuses to accept those results and his supporters refused to proactively accept the 2024 results and to claim he is not a threat to democracy. it shows a disconnect that again, it aligns with some of the other republican talking points that are completely not based in reality and outlandish. connecting the dots for the american public is critical and i appreciate that the biden campaign has started their outreach campaign to the never trump republicans and crafting a national narrative that will appeal across partisan lines. because understanding the threats. understanding the components of project 2025 is going to be mobilizing factors in the selection. juanita, michael, i appreciate the two of you being here. great to see you both. when we return, pride under attack. we talk about the growing hostility ahead of pride month with the head of glaad when the 11th hour continues. inu i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ingrezza ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington s disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don t take ingrezza if you re allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ingrezza chewy, a citi client, uses citi s financial expertise to help drive its growth and keep its supply chain moving, so more pet parents can get everything they need. right when they need it. keeping more pets, and families, happy. for the love of moving our clients forward. for the love of progress. the chances of a plane crash 1 in 11 million. you re not going to finish those salted nuts, right? 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which is straight after this programme. hello. welcome to the media show. well, on this week s programme, we ve talked about a couple of subjects which are pretty familiar to us on the media show, but they re no less pressing because of that. one is howjournalists should cover donald trump and of course, he s trying to become president of america again and the other is about the business models of news, because they are under ever more pressure. and when it comes to the business model, we are also looking at al and journalism, because several news organisations have done recent deals with the big tech firms. so that is all coming up. on this week s programme, we re going to hearfrom andrew neil, who has a brand new show on times radio. he s also the chairman of the spectator group. and we rejoined by caroline waterston, the relatively new editor in chief of the daily mirror. yeah, we ve also got two guests coming out of the states one, katie notopoulos, who s the senior tech and business correspondent at business insider. but the first person we spoke to isjeffrey goldberg, who is editor in chief of the atlantic. and we started off by asking him just to sum up what the atlantic is. how is that even possible? on the rare. just in case people don t know, it s a 167 year old magazine founded in boston. 1s. 1850s, before the civil war. politics, culture, literature, remains committed to those coverage areas today. but we try to explain america to itself to some degree. i think that s one of our purposes. we have a monthly magazine with a large subscriber base. we have a million subscribers, including digital subscribers. we reach a pretty wide array of people across the us and other parts of the english speaking world. and i think i m right in saying you re privately owned by emerson collective, which is an organisation set up by laurene powelljobs, widow of the apple founder stevejobs. just explain to us how that works. yeah. laurene and emerson collective bought the atlantic seven years ago. it works, knock on wood, wonderfully well. she s a great owner. we have complete editorial independence. she s very supportive of the mission, as is the whole organisation. we re a for profit organisation, although emerson collective has a for profit and a not for profit, separate wings. we are profitable on our own, which is a good thing and fairly rare these days. i m just thinking about. i ve been thinking about the washington post a lot of the last couple of days. well, we definitely want to ask you about some of the announcements at the washington post. and we want to ask you about your route to profitability, because that was one of the reasons we were so interested to have you on the programme. before we get into the details of what you ve done at the atlantic, ijust with katie s help as well, and a guest who sjoining us want to put what the atlantic is trying to do and what all publications in the news arena are trying to do in some context. yes, because katie notopoulos is from business insider, and ijust thought it d be useful if she just gave us a recap on the structural problems facing the industry. because, katie, you know, as has already been mentioned, much of this comes back to advertising, doesn t it? right. so one of the biggest problems isjust that| digital advertising - which was what supported journalism for many . decades or centuries has sort of dried up. facebook and google are very effective at being digital- advertisers, and they ve just sucked up a lot of the - ad dollars out there. so if you re a brand i like pepsi, it s easier to put your dollars somewhere else than to run an ad - in a publication. and that has really affected . the industry across the board. and you obviously. there s a lot of other| factors going on, just the rise of digital, - and therefore print is not as popular as it used to be. but i think. you know, there are some bright i spots, and there s reason to be i hopeful about the state - ofjournalism and being able to sustain media businesses. katie, thank you. jeffrey goldberg from the atlantic, let s bring you back in. you launched your online paywall in 2019. tell us about that decision and what s happened since. yeah, well, it turned out to be excellent timing, because the pandemic hit the next year and advertising bottomed out. we re holding our own on advertising. we have good people doing it. and, you know, it s not going to be the primary source of revenue for this company going into the future. we ve switched, actually, since 2019. we re now majority. you know, the bulk of our revenue comes from subscriptions, the consumer business, not advertising, but advertising is still an important part. but we launched this paywall. i mean, obviously, we re a print. we ve been a print magazine since the 1850s. we ve had long experience of being a subscription based organisation. when we entered the internet in a big way in the mid 90s, late 90s, obviously programmatic ad revenue, other forms of advertising, became huge for us. but we finally decided, the company finally decided in 2019 to launch a paywall for a digital product. and thank god we did, because a combination of pandemic news and trump news really accelerated our growth in the next couple of years. and that brought us, we just crossed a million subscribers total. half of those. roughly half of those subscribers are print and digital and half roughly half are digital only. all news organisations are diversifying the type of content that they re making. i wonder, aside from the trademark atlantic long articles which many people will know, what else you offer digital subscribers? well, we have a daily report. you know, we re not building a second newsroom, or a third newsroom in the washington post case, for tiktok videos or whatever it is that they re doing. you don t sound overly impressed, jeffrey. no, i m just feeling generally dyspeptic today. so you re just getting. just getting a general vibe. hopefully, that s nothing to do with you coming on the media show! god, no. glad to hear it. just checking. this is the only meeting i m looking forward to today. sorry, we interrupted you. no, no, no. it s ok. i d rather make jokes than talk about the business ofjournalism. i think that. so when i started as editor eight years ago, you know, all i wanted to do, and i have, you know, laurene s100% backing on this, make highest qualityjournalism, because highest quality journalism is the only thing that people will pay for. you know, if we had put all of our eggs in the programmatic ad revenue basket, we d be in bad shape, and so on. and so i think doubling down on what you do best, and doubling down on making a unique. unique stories that people will actually pay you for to read is the way to go. and so we have a much more. you know, obviously, 30 years ago, before the internet, the atlantic came out, it was a, you know, more leisurely paced thing. today, we publish every day. we publish, you know, every hour in busy times. but we re still trying to maintain that level of quality and differentiation so that we can convince readers to become subscribers. i m going to pause you there, sorry, just to bring in andrew neil, because some of this with your spectator hat on must be sounding quite familiar. jeffrey s talking about a million subscribers. how. you re a subscription model as well? we are a subscription model. the spectator has about 100,000 subscribers in the uk, 20,000 in america, because we just launched there, and about 12,000 in australia. if you get the business model right, the digital age can be a golden age forjournalism and publications like atlantic monthly and the spectator. but you need to get it right, and you need to realise that the old business models will bankrupt you. so when i took over the spectator in 2005, 65% of our revenues came from advertising. today, it s less than 10%. advertising is only our third biggest revenue stream. we ve had to seek new revenue streams. we put a very tough paywall up about 12, 14 years ago. 80% of our revenues now come from subscription. and it s a wonderful business model, because subscription revenues are predictable. i know within 5% plus or minus what s coming in this year, because i know the renewal rate, i know what the marketing will produce, and it s not subject to the economic cycle, unlike advertising, which is highly unpredictable. so you get that right and you re a golden age. the poster child of all this, of course, is the new york times, which now has nine million subscribers, more foreign correspondents than it s ever had in its history. and they got in early, didn t they? that was part of it. they got in early, as some of us did too. the times and the sunday times in this country are now highly profitable on the subscription model. and then you need to look, in addition to subscription revenue, for other streams of revenue, streams that you would never have thought of before. so, for example, of course, you still take some advertising. you take very little programmatic. because here s the problem if you re a subscription model, you re providing a premium website, and you don t want your website punctuated by endless ads for things that you have no control over. so you really need to control that. and you re talking about digital dimes in terms of programmatic, but instead, you do newsletters, you do podcasts, you have spectator tv and other ventures like that. and above all, our second biggest stream of revenue events we do events that expand the brand and bring in a ton of money. ok, caroline waterston, i want to bring you in because this presumably isn t sounding very familiar to you because it isn t something that you re doing at the mirror. have you ever thought about subscription? have you ever thought about a paywall? it s not on the mirror s agenda. i mean, certainly from my point of view and from the mirror s point of view, you know, i believe that our content should be available to a wide community and not just those that can afford it. you know, we are a news brand. i want to ensure that everyone has access to our content, and certainly it s not on our agenda. but what does that mean financially? you re taking a hit. do you believe.? i mean, are.? are you essentially of the belief that a paywall is this too dramatic, a paywall is a threat to democracy? is that how you see it? no, it s just not on our agenda at the moment. that s because it doesn t work. we talked. well. for red top tabloids, it doesn t work. the sun tried it and had to abandon it. you know, it s different with atlantic, spectator, times, sunday times, financial times. people are willing to pay. ..new york times. people are willing to pay for that kind ofjournalism. the problem with what we used to call the red top tabloids is that people won t pay for it digitally. of course, in the old days, they paid for it by putting their money down to buy the paper. but it seems that a lot of that kind of content, they think they can already get almost for free on the net. so they re not. it s a. of allthe. you know, all of our industry from the top to the bottom has had to withgo digital waves of change. the toughest part of the market to get right is the red top tabloid part of the market, because the subscription model doesn t work. caroline? yeah. and, look, good quality journalism is exactly what we want to do. but good quality journalism shouldn tjust be available to those that can afford to pay it. so, yes, we are an ad model. ads help fund.ourjournalism. and certainly. that s where we are at the moment. in terms of the experience of the user, the digital user of yourjournalism, do you have any concerns that the proliferation of adverts, which you need in order to fund the work you re doing, lessens the experience? look, it s something i think about every day, but, you know, ads are a part of life, and certainly from the mirror s point of view, we have to produce good quality journalism, and ads help us do that. 0k. let s bring you back in, jeffrey goldberg, because what about your experience in the us, particularly relating to donald trump, who we know back in 2016 drove huge levels of news and news related content consumption? are you seeing the same thing this time around? 2016 and 2020. i wouldn t say. well, first of all, we have a much tougher paywall, so that limits the sort of explosive numbers that you would have seen 2020, 2016, in particular. i think there s also fatigue. you know, these are. these are characters in now what would be called a long running drama, right? trump and biden as well. i think there is some fatigue with it. all that being said, yeah, there s. there s obviously an unusual election taking place. i m trying to use the most anodyne words possible. there s a consequential election taking place and people are. our kind of reader in particular is going to be very engaged in it. but, you know and i think this is a lesson from the washington post in a way you can tjust assume that political news will continually spike for you. i mean, you have to do the thing that s the right thing to do for your publication. it s mission first. and if you forget that, you re going to lose your subscribers eventually anyway. butl. we re not going to see the same crazy numbers that we saw in the past. but obviously, this is not a normal election. and trump does draw an extraordinary amount of attention. i want to ask you further about trump, but you ve alluded to the washington post a couple of times. we should say that on monday, sally buzbee, we heard, was leaving her role as the washington post s executive editor, to be replaced by robert winnett from the daily telegraph. and will lewis, who s the ceo of the washington post, said, we are losing large amounts of money. your audience. this is to staff. your audience has halved in recent years. people are not reading your stuff. i can t sugar coat it any more. so the washington post is looking to change its strategy. but coming back more broadly to donald trump, this is a question we ve asked a number of times on the media show over the years, but it doesn t make it any less pressing. you ve called the election consequential and unusual i m sure there are other words you would use, too. how do you, as the editor of a hugely consequential magazine and publication in the us, approach the challenge of covering donald trump? and i m interested to ask andrew and caroline the same question afterwards. you know, we. we had this problem in 2016, where we were trying to. you know, we were following the old rules, you know, to some degree, which is. and the old rules were the old rules of coverage, what people would call both sider ism. the old rules worked.when you had candidates who operated within certain lanes, lanes of self restraint, lanes of adherence to democratic norms, when candidates felt shame and repositioned themselves based on feedback, regarding the things that they do. you know, the most important thing for me, and, you know, we try to get it right, and a lot of other people are trying to get it right, and a lot of people are trying to catch up the most important thing is that we describe things plainly. right? not euphemise, because donald trump s behaviour is so novel i mean, it s not novel any more, but it s still novel historically and that. you know, and that we don t become. and this is what i m always encouraging our staff about. we don t normalise to this. our own, you know. oh, well, trumpjust said that, you know, the north korean dictator s head is made of cheese. oh, who cares? he always says stuff like that. no, and we have to do it every. we have to report the oddness, whenever it erupts, and that. by the way, this means. we re notjoining the resistance. we neverjoined the resistance, which means we also questionjoe biden s capacities, for instance. that s how you re approaching it at the atlantic. i wonderfor the daily mirror here in the uk, caroline, how do you.? do you approach donald trump like any other politician? or are there particular things you tell your colleagues look, we have to be careful here ? look, trump is an interesting character, but at the weekend, you ll hopefully have seen we actually had the world exclusive of stormy daniels, post everything that happened last week. and, you know, the content that comes out of trump in his everyday life and how he acts, i mean, it creates brilliant, brilliant content for our audience. that s honest. yeah. andrew, let me bring you in here now, because we have senior british executives at the wall streetjournal, the washington post, cnn and bloomberg news. what do you make of this exodus of senior british editors in the direction of the us? bbc too. mark thompson. mark thompson, former bbc. ..is at cnn and was at the new york times. of course, we always put ourselves down, but british journalism is vibrant and dynamic and hugely successful. and we know how to write and we know how to write concisely. well, not for the first time on the media show, we ve been talking about artificial intelligence, and the item that we re going to see now is all about search results that are being produced by new ai products. yeah, this is quite a fun one because google has got a new search called ai overview, a search product, and it is coming up in some cases with some pretty crazy results. and i started by asking katie notopoulos, who s the senior tech and business correspondent of business insider, tojust explain how it all works. so it s not on every single search, it s only on certain searches, typically ones that are sort of asking a specific question versus, you know, searching somebody s name or something like that. and it basically gives you a little bit of. maybe a couple sentences, a little paragraph, maybe a few bullet points that essentially answers your question. and this is probably very useful for most searches most of the time. but it was initially sort of riddled with laughable errors. i mean, one of the things that i do know that you did this really is dedication to yourjob you made a pizza with glue and ate it. just explain why you did that. slightly gimmicky. i m assuming it was for a piece. it was. piece of pizza! americanjournalists are ready. all in the line of duty. ..to undertake these big challenges. laughter. yeah, some people have to cover donald trump s trial. some people have to eat pizza with glue on it. right. basically sounds like i the same thing, really. exactly. laughter. one of the sort of silly answer that was going most viral on social media was someone had asked, how do i get the glued cheese to not slide off my pizza? and google suggested, you know, let the pizza cool for a while. and then it also said, add one eighth of a cup of glue to the sauce. so you re the only person in america who did it. ..it had sourced that little piece of information from a reddit comment that had suggested that obviously as a joke. and everyone on reddit at the time, when they were reading it, could understand in context that the person was making a joke that to keep the cheese from sliding off your pizza, you should add glue to the sauce. google sort of couldn t understand that this was satire, that it was a joke. so, not great. i mean, ijust should bring in. well, google have said about this, because they ve told the bbc, these were isolated examples, generally very uncommon queries, and they aren t representative of most people s experiences, and that the vast majority, it says, of ai overviews, provide high quality information with links to dig deeper on the web. and it said it s taken action where policy violations were identified and it was using them to refine its systems. just in the last couple of minutes of the programme, let me ask a further question about al, and it comes down to when big organisations that have content, like the atlantic or the spectator or the mirror, decide whether or not to share all of that content with the big language models that are training generative ai. and jeffrey at the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg, you ve cut a deal with openai. tell us about the discussions within the atlantic, whether you were weighing up whether to do that or not. well, ijust have to be technically clear about something. the editorial team has independence from the business side of this operation, but the business side has independence from the editorial side. and this was a decision made by the corporation and by our business leadership to do this. and so.i was certainly told about it, and i was.invited to share my views on it, but, you know, i. what are your views on it? well, i have my ambivalence about it. i mean, i don t want to. i forget who was saying this before, but, you know, the internet has turns out been great for a place like the atlantic. we reach many, many more people than we used to because of the internet. i don t want to be, you know, sort of axiomatically luddite about this sort of thing and say, ai is only a threat, but i have my deep ambivalences about.ai and what it s going to do tojournalism and also, by the way, humanity and the future of our planet. all that being said, ai is coming whether or not i want it to come. and it s a little bit like, to me, complaining about the weather. the weather doesn t care that i don t like it. so i ve got to dress for the weather, and dressing for the weather in this case means trying to figure out a way to have a relationship with openai, in which openai doesn t eat you for lunch. let me just ask quickly caroline and andrew very quickly, if you would. caroline, how s the daily mirror viewing the idea of sharing its content with these ai, these big ai operators? we wouldn t. - we wouldn t want to. you re not planning to do that yet? no, we re not- planning to do that. and the spectator? we won t do that until we know a lot more about it. if it s another potential stream of revenue that doesn t carry risks, that s one thing. but we need to know a lot more. for me, the al s biggest opportunity is on the commercial side. i think a lot of the ai can help us run the company commercially much better. we can learn more about our readers, about usage of the app, usage of the website. all that sort of thing is fine, but forthe moment, i ll keep editorial separate. and i lljust add, the new york times is taking a very different approach to this. it s not collaborating with openai. in fact, it s suing for the theft of its content. so we re going to watch how that plays out. and i was at the enders deloitte media conference yesterday, where anna bateson, who runs the guardian, said they would do a deal with an ai company, but only on the right terms. so there you go. well. something to end on, because that is all we have time for, i m afraid. thank you so much to katie notopoulos from business insider and, of course, andrew neil from times radio, but also the spectator. and caroline waterston, editor in chief of the mirror, and jeffrey goldberg, editor in chief of the atlantic. well, thanks very much indeed to all of our guests. fascinating to hear their perspectives on all those issues. i suspect it won t be the last time we turn to ai, to business models of news, to covering donald trump, but it was very interesting to hear from all of them. i think you re right. thank you so much to everybody. that was the media show. we ll be back at the same time next week. bye. bye bye. and if you d like to hear a longer version of today s show, search bbc the media show wherever you get your bbc podcasts. hello there. wind coming from the north at times. temperatures are struggled to get into double figures but a slightly different story further south and west, just look at anglesey, a beautiful afternoon and lots of sunshine. temperatures peaking at 18 or 19 degrees. high pressure continuing its way in from the west, west is the best for tuesday, likely to be a few showers around but hopefully if you would far between. most frequently will be across is in scotland and eastern england. sunny spells and scattered showers going into the afternoon, having an impact with a temperature, but again with a temperature, but again with more shelter and sunshine, 17 or 18 degrees is not out of the question. scattered showers moving their way through northern ireland and scotland, hopefully they will ease over the afternoon. you can see the temperatures are still struggling. 10 15 degrees at the best. going into wednesday, the best. going into wednesday, the high pressure will continue to kill off the showers, so wednesday is likely to be the driest day of the week and make the most of it, more rain to come. a chilly start once again for wednesday morning, single figures right across the country, low single figures in auroral spots. hopefully the showers will be few and far between and more favoured spots for the showers once again to the east. more sunshine to the west. temperature is generally similar to what we have seen all week, 10 80 degrees. the wind will change as we move into thursday, unfortunately towards the end of the week the low pressure will take over and we will see spells of rain at times, some heavy but the wind direction it will play its part. a southwesterly wind means we are the temperatures are climbing a degree also, do not anything to significant because we have the cloud and the rain. not out of the question in eastern england because the highs of 20 degrees. take care. live from washington. this is bbc news. hamas submits its response to a us led ceasefire proposal, but says israel needs to commit to completely stopping the war. us presidentjoe biden s son hunter, is found guilty on all three charges in his federal gun case. and malawi s vice president, saulos chilima was killed in a plane crash, along with nine other passengers. i m sumi somaskanda. it s great to have you with us. the white house says its evaluating an official response by hamas to the latest proposal for a truce in the gaza conflict. us presidentjoe biden submitted the proposal about 12 days ago. earliertuesday, hamas said it has a positive
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breaking news tonight. a bus hijacking of chase and the deadly discovery at the end of it. good evening. thanks for joining as we begin tonight, keep them honest with three facts about hunter biden s conviction today and wilmington, delaware on federal gun charges. the first is the human impact. it must have on a family that has certainly known tragedy, including putting a car crash that killed hunter biden s mom and baby sister, the death to brain cancer of his brother, beau, and his own descendance itself, destruction by crack cocaine. in a moment, ronald reagan s daughter, patty davis joins us to talk about her own struggles with addiction the second fact is that despite efforts to paint his trial as a counterpart, two or even the equivalent of donald trump s new york trial unlike the former president, a hunter biden is not running for anything the third fact is the one thing they actually do have in common in each the guilty verdict was rendered by 12 men and women who heard the evidence and seem to have set aside any preconceptions they might have had going in as one biden juror told cnn today, politics played no part in their deliberations, nor did testimony about the degree of biden s addiction, which he described as heart-wrenching the verdict was unanimous. and just like in new york, there is every indication the criminal justice system worked and continues to beyond that, nearly everything surrounding the two trials and their aftermath is a study in contrast starting with how egypt defendant reacted to the verdict. quoting now from hunter biden statement, thanking his wife and others. i m more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community than i am disappointed by the outcome. he goes on to say recovery is possible by the grace of god. and i am blessed to experience that give one de at a time. by contrast, here are some where the former president said after his conviction this was done by the biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent and i think it s just a disgrace. but this was a rig decision right from day one, with a conflicted judge or should have never been allowed to try this case, never well, he said as much over and over and so have republican lawmakers before, during and after the trial with a special focus on attacking the justice department and the criminal justice system every single person involved in this prosecution is practically a democratic political operative. this was not criminal justice. this was politics. the entire thing is political. it s political warfare, scam trial. this is a scam. it is a sham, sham of a trial. a sham convictions joe biden s to tier in justice system while keeping them on as they re talking about the justice department at which had nothing to do with the trump trial, which is currently prosecuting a democratic senator and congressmen. and just oversaw the conviction of the president is only surviving son and the president s reaction quoting him now, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that he also told abc news he d ruled that a pardon for his son let me ask you, will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes by contrast, the former president is now talking repeatedly about using the justice department if he s reelected as a tool of vengeance i. would have, every right to go after them and it s easy because it s joe biden and you see all the criminality, all of the money that s going into the family and him, all of this money from china, from russia from ukraine that s for republican lawmakers who decried trump s trial and conviction. consider house oversight chair james comer, who has been holding hearings and investigating the bidens for months, always claiming to have the goods, but always coming up empty. he is sticking to his story, tweeting today until the department of justice investigates everyone involved. the bidens corrupt influence, peddling schemes. it will be clear department officials continued to cover for the big guy, joe biden. more now, on the actual verdict and the actual trial and what comes next from cnn s paula reid just 90 minutes after hunter biden s guilty verdict, cnn got incredible insight into the case from juror number ten, won big mistake from the defense, calling hunters daughter naomi, to testify. i felt i felt bad that they put naomi as witness i i think that was probably a strategy that should not have been done. no daughter should ever have to testify or again, sorry despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agree that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors agree that yes, he know i m laying in, bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs, although they all voted guilty, another juror, cnn spoke to off-camera question whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying, quote, it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role. in their decision. pressure, inviting never really even came in. to play for me. his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that s when i that s when i kind of sunk in a little bit. but you kind of put that out of your mind. president biden released a statement after his son s verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad, jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal contour issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying, i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome in spend special counsel, david weiss made aware statement defending the case, ultimately, this case was not just about objection a disease that haunts families across the united states including hunter biden s family. this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun. and the choice to then possess that gun hello. what else did did you hear from jurors anderson? i was really interested to hear what they had to say about a possible sentencing hunter biden because the upper range for conviction on these offenses is potentially decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. so it s widely expected. hunter biden and wouldn t get anything anywhere near that. this is of course, a first-time offender, but juror number ten told us he doesn t think that hunter biden should get any prison time. another juror said that hunter needs rehab more than he needs imprisonment or a fine. and while the jury is weighing in on sentencing it is ultimately actually up to the judge should determine the sentence. and we expect, while there is no sentencing date, now we expect it will be roughly 120 days after this verdict, which would fall in late october so that s before election day. but likely after his next federal criminal trial, which is scheduled for early september out in los angeles i ll read them so much, paula, let s go next to the white house. i ve seen kayla tausche with more and how the president and the first family are dealing with this moment what s the reaction been from the white house for president biden anderson, president biden is approaching the situation first and foremost as a father in the statement released today, president biden saying, i am the president, but i m also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction, understand the feeling of pride, seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery, the family greeted each other on the tarmac in delaware this evening, hunter biden, embracing members of white house staff and members of the security detail before the family then retreated to a nearby family home or they re going to be processing together what happens in the next chapter president biden has said that he will accept the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal and the biden reelection campaign is telling allies that for them, it s going to be business as usual. the president gave a speech at a previously scheduled gun safety event after the verdict, which obviously is somewhat ironic, what did what did he say there well, it was a fairly awkward conflict fluence of events today. president biden finding out about that verdict just before this preplanned event, where he was in this situation of a heralding a crackdown in gun violence i expect it to tout we knew that president biden was expected did two announce more than 500 new charges brought by the department of justice on gun crimes in the wake of his new bipartisan gun law that was passed and signed into law. in 2022. instead, the president took a broader approach. instead praising the new tools that prosecutors were given by that law, anderson per kilo joshua. thanks, joining us now to people who ve worked with and no prison biden wells and political commentators david axelrod and kate betting field, also with us retard federal judge johnny jones, the third and former federal prosecutor, jessica raw, third, judge. let me start with you. does the vert verdict surprise you d all know the verhaeghe didn t surprise me at all, anderson, i think the evidence was overwhelming and what i thought was notable and picking up one on your lead, which i thought was spot on in both of these cases, you had judges want to state judge and the other a federal judge saying, among other things, you must follow the law 224 americans in these two cases, you must follow the law, whether you agree with it or not, and you re not to be concerned about the sentence that i may give if the defendant is convicted, clearly, it validates our system of justice because they did exactly that. jessica, how about you? i mean, any surprise and what kind of grounds for appeal may there be? yeah. so i was not surprised by the verdict as the judge, the evidence really did seem to be overwhelming and the charges were pretty straightforward in terms of what the jury was being asked to find. but i think the k is also highlights the limited role that we give to juries in our system. now are there astro apply the law as they re instructed about the law to the facts and not to render an opinion in the courtroom about whether they think this was a wise prosecution or what they think is inappropriate punishment. i mean, they re really quite limited. it s not clear to me that there are strong grounds for appeal. i mean, there is a second amendment issue on whether or not the law that makes it a crime to possess a gun. if you are addicted to drugs, whether that survives a second i ve ever been challenged under the supreme court s current jurisprudence on that, but that would really only go to one of the three charges so it could be that there are some issues with respect to the evidence that was admitted, but that would be subject to harm plus error review maybe there s an appellate issue about whether or not he was entitled to essentially the benefit of the plea agreement that he had reached with the special counsel that previously fell apart, but i don t see those as being particularly strong in david. i mean, your sense of the verdict the impact it would have on the biden family and the white house. and i obviously on the campaign trail in the days ahead of any well yeah. look, i think that s the important question. anderson. a couple of weeks ago and trump was convicted, i said that i thought that the really important question was not how it would affect voters directly, but how it would affect him in his behavior. and we ve seen his behavior become even more pointed and angry since that conviction. here this is such a devastating experience for the biden family to have gone through this week to have their families go through this people get into trouble, they go, but not under the glare of the spotlight, like this. and to have your dearest relatives on the stand and have to go through this has to be devastating to the present. kate would know this even more intimately than me, but i know how much this must hurt him and there must be some feeling of guilt because he s the reason there s a spotlight on the family and why they re travails are so much in the news, so the question is, how does it affect him? he s got a debate in two weeks. he s dealing with multiple world issues right now and all the rigors of a campaign and how will he deal with it? i think is a big question. yeah. kate, we mentioned that the president promptly went to delaware to be with his son. and again, the contrast between other trump family approached the manhattan trial and how the biden family approach. this trial is stark. how do you think this is going to impact the president well, look, it is absolutely hard on him. he is a family man that you really cannot underestimate are under appreciate how close the biden family is, how much they lean on each other i think it would be hard for any father to go through, not only the experience of this trial, of course, but obviously all that hunter is dealt with and dealing with addiction and things have happened when he was in the grip of addiction. so yes, of course it is personally hard for the president, but i would also note he s somebody who has shouldered a lot of personal tragedy and difficulty while also juggling being in public office, he lost his son, beau to brain cancer when he was vice president. obviously his as you mentioned at the top has his first wife and baby daughter were killed in a car crash just weeks after he was elected to the senate. so he has spent his entire life in public service shouldering challenges, difficulty holding his family close, but simultaneously executing the duties of the office and being able to put to put his work first two. so i think his resilience, i think will really be the on display for people over the next few months. i think you saw a little bit today, frankly, when he was speaking at the gun safety event, he was lively. he was engaged, he was clearly talking with a lot of passion about the work he s done on gun safety and talking to the crowd. so i think i think the american people are going to see a lot of resilience for him. but of course this is hard for him. it s hard for him hi, are biden family, judge jones, what would you consider for a sentence on for these convictions? and also with the idea in mind that he is facing a tax charge as well that s potentially more worrisome for well, of course, the judge has to follow what are called the sentencing guidelines, which has my colleague knows are numbingly complicated, but the sentence needs to be sufficient, but not greater than necessary to fulfill the purposes of sentencing i think in this case because he didn t brandished the gun, he didn t commit a crime of violence was on another crime associated with to purchase it out. very frankly, anderson, over almost 20 years in the federal bench, i never had a stand alone case like this. this is really this actual charges and not something that s been brought tapped on. and this is the kind of zebra okay his, if you will. but i think in this case, there s a good argument for probation or it out with some kind of help remedial help counseling addiction treatment, and so forth. the real real peril comes with the tax charges because this counts as a conviction which it has the will in fact, enhance any sentence that he gets if he s convicted at the tax charges. so there s that s mandatory. that whatever the charges and this impacts that trump gets certain points for prior convictions and then of course that case is driven in part by the mount of the tax fraud as well, which escalates the sentencing exposure. that s where he really is in jeopardy of going to prison. i don t think this case so much. david, what do you say to republicans who were insisting tonight, the justice system as being weaponized against the foreign president, even though president biden s own son was just convicted in federal court and you ve got them menendez case and another congressman yeah, this is really complicated for them for that reason. and remember, yeah, you ve got senator menendez on trial, right now? congressman cuellar awaiting trial right now. it just puts the lie to the idea that there s this weaponized justice department of justice department has nothing to do with the manhattan da s office, but it s also a complicated for them because they have become so zealot zealous about the second amendment that they don t quite know how to talk about. this. so they re all shifting. and the thing that they re doing anderson is this whole, the mantra and they all move as one. is this biden crime family thing because really what s at play here is they re strategy is to try and say everybody is corrupt, that everybody is swimming in the same murky waters that donald trump is no different than joe biden. and that voters should discount the fact that donald trump is a convicted felon and has some other major cases pending against him. so i think you re going to see a lot of that. what congressman comer said today, chairman comer was really disgraceful as you pointed out he has been rolling out this cannon periodically. he lights the fuse and every time a flag comes out that says pop and there s nothing there. and so if they ve got evidence of a crime, maybe they should share it with people instead of just talking about it. and i think they don t because they don t in cape person biden and the foreign president and obviously have their first debate on cnn june 27th are you concerned about trump getting under the president s skin by invoking hunter biden. he obviously try to, when they debated in 2020 he tried in 2020 and it really backfired on him. i mean, i can tell you that the data that we saw on the biden campaign after that first debate where no trump really wound up and tried to come at hunter, was that what people remembered from that debate was joe biden defending his son, talking about his love for his son relating to people all across the country who ve had dealt with family members and friends who ve suffered from addiction. so it was actually a very relatable moment that really connected the joe biden as people across the country. so i think 44 joe biden, he should certainly expect that donald trump is going to come at him with this on the stage. we know that trump s going to try to throw everything he can it biden to get under his skin. but we ve also seen that this is a failing political argument. trump has tried to make it stick for five years. it hasn t and it ultimately winds up being an opportunity for people to see joe biden s humanity. and that s very moving and power david axelrod. thank you, judge jones. jessica roth, as welcome. have next former first daughter, patty davis, her own struggle with addiction and her thoughts about the verdict, and later cnn s clarissa ward is exclusive look inside a syrian detention camp are women and children are being held and the fears the mothers or maybe raising the next generation of isis fighters it s hard besides from real quality that starts in our factory to real performance in your backyard still tools or is tough and dependable as the people who use them this fathers de, give him the gift that 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be nice if the rest of us or even most of us but look at how sad this story is. how a man with a loving supportive family and every advantage and opportunity still fell into the roiling abyss of drug addiction and couldn t stop swimming around in this dark waters petty davis writes about her own experiences in dear mom and dad, a letter about family memory and the america we want to know thank you so much for being with us. you re just as it was so lovely and to your point in the op-ed, i mean, do you think basic humanity and empathy are possible in this hyper-partisan moment, the country is in well, i mean, on some days i think it s not possible some days i think it s extinct, but i think we have to keep looking for that and we have to keep reaching for it and i think even some of the comments from jurors expressed sympathy and compassion for hunter because this is at its root. this is not this story about a hunter biden is not a political story. i don t even think really at its right. it s a crime story even though he was convicted of some crimes but i think at its root it is a very sad story about addiction and a disastrous choices that addicts make and the ripple effects of those choices in families, lives and over time, i mean, obviously this is yes, it doesn t here s the thing about about an attic. when you, when you re addicted, your world is very insular. everything is about you and the substance that you re addicted two, that s that s kind of it, right and once you if you are fortunate enough to let go of that addiction and to stop using whatever substance it is, whether it s drugs or alcohol, you don t immediately change your mode of thinking. you don t immediately like break get out of that, that takes a lot of work and a lot of time and i am assuming that hunter biden is going through that. now. he starting to realize the extent that his addiction had on everybody else. i think it was very poignant for him. probably seeing his daughter testify in court, which has a really difficult thing to do you were candid about your own struggles with addiction in your teens and early 20s. the piece you wrote for the time, as you said, as the daughter of first governor and then no president, i do know what it s like to live under a glaring unforgiving spotlight than never dims the choices you make in your life. the mistakes, the stumbles are preserved forever and sometimes tossed out in front of you like a minefield, you have to keep crossing it s i mean, first of all, you re really a lovely writer. what kind of scrutiny to you in terms of what did that scrutiny due to you in terms of drug use, what was it like living under that kind of scrutiny? well my drug use wasn t made public. i mean, i have made a public because i ve talked about it since, but i basically i didn t get caught you know, i mean, i wrote about in his book how and my father was governor. i used to i used to drive at those so bored at site in sacramento on this summer s, i used to drive up to folsom prison because they hadn t gift shop how i found out that it keeps other calls from prison. i have no idea. it s not like a 70s. not like i go to google them, but i did and i used to like smoke a joint on the way going to force some prison completely stone, probably with other joints in my purse fortunately, they didn t search my purse, but a friend of mine when she read this story in my book said, well, were you worried that they would smell it on, you know, i never thought about that. so i never got clot. but, you the thing that follows me around, what is my activism in the 80s when my father was president in my sort of stridency and the anti-nuclear movement whenever i not whenever i read something about myself, but a lot of times, if i read something about myself, it s patty davis, the rebel daughter of president reagan, who protests protested his policies and everything. it was 40 years ago that is the reality of that political spotlight, which is the harshest spotlight imaginable and unfortunately, hunter biden is going to be followed by this for the rest of his days. it s just the way that s spotlight has a shelf life of like forever you know, especially now with cameron phones and laptops and social media and all of it, which obviously was involved in industry i mean, that was not around when you were right you were doing that? yeah. yeah. you referenced in your offset president biden ruling out a pardon for his son. you wrote i m quite sure it wasn t the answer. they re grieving. father wanted to give, but his sons actions and his sons illness forced him into a choice between the primal urge to protect a child and the public responsibility to uphold the law that is a terrible place to be. did you ever think when when your dad was present that did you ever worry about about it becoming known or as my drink? yeah. well, i owe well, as governor, i didn t think about it because i was, you know, just too strung out on drugs, i didn t think about it, frankly and by the time he was president, i had stopped doing drugs but i think like i was saying that that sort of self consumed mode of thinking, i think that was still very much my mode of thinking in the 80s when my father was elected president. and because if i ve been thinking more expansively, i think i would have expressed myself differently and not as stridently i think i d probably still would have spoken out about the anti-nuclear in the anti-nuclear movement because i believed in it very strongly but i would have done it differently but i didn t i you know what i mean? it was still that well, i m going to do what i want to do. yeah mentality patti davis. thank you so much for your time thank you. i mean, by cnn exclusive are rare inside look at detention facilities and syria housing. not only captured isis fighters wear their wives and children, one of whom tells her clarissa ward, we don t even know what we ve done morehead we ve never spoken. but you ve 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see again. she mount mazama shared for the first time with cnn these images weren t captured in rocco or mosley in 2016 they were taken in 2022 in the alice hello camp in northern syria the sprawling dumping ground for the women and children captured after isis was defeated five years after the fall of the caliphate, isis is ideology lives on here security officials warn it is a ticking time bomb ungovernable and hostile to the outside world. you can see just how fast this places more than 40,000 people are living here in the most dangerous part of the camp is called the annex. that s where some 6,000 foreign nationals are currently within we were granted exceptionally rare access to the annex by the us back syrian democratic forces, sdf, who control for all the camp the women here hail from more than 60 different countries. several raise their right index fingers for the cameras, sign of solidarity with these hello mic state. do you regret your decision to join isis or wash she complains that the conditions in the camp are awful there are people in the world who will say you went to join isis you deserve it you deserve it. what do you say to that? normally if enemies. yeah. women and children need for the majority of alcohols residents our kids who have ended up here through no fault of their own un has called it a blight on the conscience of humanity. it is effectively a prison camp. are women and children are arbitrarily and indefinitely detained a group stops us with a frantic plea one of their sons has been arrested trying to escape the camp. she s asking if she can get her son back, who s in a prison? he s got me for monday need that youth march. we wanted just send them out so the sdf wouldn t take him. she tells us once boys turn 12, here, they take them it is a troubling story we hear over and over again the sdf says, it is their policy to separate adolescent boys because they are being radicalized by their mothers so an sdf raid earlier this year netted this video of a training session for children inside the camp. the sdf claims young teenage boys are married off to repopulate the next generation of isis fighters they say may explain the roughly 60 births recorded here every month this is where for some of those boys end up after they are taken. the or cash rehabilitation center conditions here are much better than camps, but there are only 150 beds and they are all full shamil. chuck car grew up in cologne, germany until his parents took the family to the isis capital rocha, a shrapnel injury to his head has left shamil confused how old are you chem omega my without if you don t know shamil was living in our whole camp with his mother and siblings until a few years ago when security forces came into their tent in the middle of the night in colombia enough for a man came and pulled me up and type my hands behind my back. my mom was screaming. she said leave him alone. he tells us i didn t want to go with them. he pushed me saying put on your shoes, but i didn t hit me islam is from dagestan, russia and is one of the youngest boys here it s via mama so he s saying that he is just 12-years-old he has been here about three or four months, he was taken from his mother. he doesn t even know what his last name is human rights organizations have said this separations are on a pauling violation of international law but the sds top general muslim abdi defends the policy. no drug. instead of these organizations condemning what we re doing in court pulling into human rights violation, these organizations should give us help when it comes to our program that we have in place for years now to rehabilitate these children. but part of the problem seems to be that once these young boys turn 18, there s not anywhere for them to go, particularly if they can t return to their home countries and so some of them i believe are ending up in prison necessity taken when he says that this is not a policy that we are following to put them in prison at 18 the reality is the goal is to reintegrate them with society but cnn has found that boys as young as 14 had been held here at the notorious panorama prison with an estimated 4,000 inmates. it is the largest concentration of isis fighters in the world. no journalist has been allowed inside panoramas since 20 2021 until now so the head of the prison has asked me to put on a head scarf while we walk through here because these are some of the most radicalized prisoners they have a senior us official told us the number one concern at panorama is the prison break. the fear that was realized in 2022 when hundreds of inmates managed to escape and i look inside 25 men sit cross-legged in silence cell is spotless. the men we see appear to be in indecent physical condition but tuberculosis is rampant in the prison and we are only allowed to look in side2 cells that you versus your, where he found a british man approaches the great but does not want to show his face i know advocacy groups called the us funding did panorama illegal black hole worse than guantanamo bay in an interrogation room? we meet 19-year-old stephane uj or lou from suriname. he tells us he was brought to the prison when he was 14, along with more than 100 other miners have you had a lawyer ever you talk to a lawyer i don t know about the big guys. you speak a about the kids assume feeling know the truth. you don t know even why we re always like punished as like five years in prison and replenished we don t even know what we ve been imprisoned because of our times at the sdf intelligence headquarters. we meet british pakistani dr. mohammed socket accused of joining isis. he claims he was the victim of an ally elaborate kidnapping plot. it says panoramas. inmates are abused so we live in torture. i live in fear we say you live in torch sure. do you mean that you are actually physically being tortured? this happens on and off what kind of torture, like beating by the stick by the gods? to. be honest, i m just waiting for my death. there s no getting out of this business. probably never the warden at and a rama called soc claim of abuse false, saying, quote, all parts of the prison are monitored by cameras and no prison guard can act in this way. the sdf and the us are pushing countries to repatriate their citizens from syria, saying it is the only solution to this complex and dangerous situation. but the process has been slow and many including western allies are dragging their feet in the owl rose camp, we may, brits, canadians, belgians australians, and a couple of americans survive. basically 30-year-old hoda methanol has been stuck. here are 7-year-old son for more than five years. i have to ask you, i m seeing all of the women here are fully covered. a lot of them covering their faces you re not covered, you re wearing a t-shirt is that hard it was hard when i first took it. i would say for the first 23 years people were not accepting of it, and they harassed us a lot. they stole our stuff in i had to stay strong and show example for my son born and raised in the the us, hoda became radicalized online at the age of 20, left her family in alabama to live under isis a decision she quickly regretted if you were to be able to go back to the us and you had to go on trial, potentially serve time prison. have you reconciled yourself without possibility i always tell myself that i m going to prison would be a step forward in my life if i had any time to serve, i d server and not come out and begin my life with my son for now. that is not an option. while the us advocates repatriation, it ruled hold is us citizenship invalid on a technicality, i didn t write now, she lives in fear for her son s future what do you miss most about america i just want to breathe at moroccan era and be around people. i loved the people of america they re very open and they re very forgiving and they re very, they re people who gives second chances and i think if they were to sit down with me and listen to my story from the beginning, they would give me a second chance but second chances are hard to come by here. for most repentance is demanded. and forgiveness rarely given as the cost of ignoring this ugly crisis continues to mount of course, the word joins us now, i mean, it s extraordinary to think of all these people in this limbo. you said the us government and rule the citizenship of the american woman who spoke with invalid on technique kennedy. what else what else do you know better situation node and what viewers authorities commented at all? yes. so we ve reached out anderson to the state department about who does case and they said to us the department has not changed its position with regards to ms madonna s citizenship status as the state department determined in the courts agreed she is not and never was a us it is isn t. we also heard anderson from her lawyer who responded if hoda methanol is not a us citizen than she is stateless. and that is a violation of international law. the directly contradicts what the us government has stated. other countries cannot and should not do. and i should add anderson that a senior us official it told us there are about a dozen americans who are still in these camps in northeastern syria. the repatriation process is not straightforward though, because many of them, unlike hoda, don t actually want to go back. we spoke to one woman who asked not to be identified. she said that she has not put her hand up yet. she is a dual well, national and that she doesn t feel comfortable returning to the us because she s too afraid that she might have to face time in prison. anderson, clarissa ward. thank you. incredible report thank you. more. breaking news tonight. a bus hijacking in atlanta and the deadly discovery after the police chase through city streets in the interstate during tonight s rush hour. that in a first in nevada politics, voting isn t just being done behind curtains today now 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in and out of traffic through city streets and onto the highway where elana police officers desperately tried to get the bus pulled over. our initial call was of a gunman on on the bus that was holding hostages and possibly there had been a discharge of a weapon that was the initial nine will one call that call disconnected and then a short time later we receive another 91. we ll call also from the bus and that line remained open for the entire time. officers tried blocking the bus in the attempt to use stop sticks, but the bus avoids early attempts to stop it. all of it through atlanta s rush hour traffic at one point, the bus almost hits this truck. it s worth around the car and then veers into traffic his driver s scramble to get out of the way. a gunman with a gun to the head of a bus driver saying, don t stop this bus or else worse will have this is the type of thing, obviously, no one is i mean, it seems like the movies later the bus narrowly misses another group of cars as it drives on the left side of the road before coming to a stop on this tree-lined road, there were 17 individuals on the bus and putting the bus driver unfortunately, as the mayor has stated, one individual has died of injuries which we believe to be a gunshot wounds. this is gonna be a joint investigation by the atlanta police department as well. was from the georgia bureau of investigation. we currently do have in custody a 39-year-old joseph career officers from several police departments surround the bus. you can see someone coming out with their hands up before he gets on the ground. police at the ready, guns drawn with a tactical armored vehicle on the scene police find one person shot and killed anderson. we re also finding out the man who was arrested as a convicted felon, but i want to tell you something we were doing a news conference about that earlier shooting and this start happening. i got a phone call from a source that was saying they could see several police cars chasing this car through the streets of atlanta there was very harrowing. in fact, they saw officers trying to use their car to block that bus, but such a large vehicle moving through the city it s amazing that no one else got seriously injured even know, sadly one person did lose their life on that bus today? yes, i m just terrifying ryan young. thank you. now, to exclusive new reporting voting from behind bars, unique development in the narrowly divided state of nevada, which could determine who wins the white house in which party controls the senate. or murray has more inside the largest jail in sin city. that s my first time voting for the first time that you ve ever voted in any election is when is here in the detention? yeah. natalie inmates escorted to this holding cell and then a voting booth. the first one ever set up in the clark county detention center in la las vegas. nor you suppress that there was going to be a voting booth here today yeah, i was surprised. yeah, i was i didn t expect that its debut just in time for primary de the result of a new law wiring improved ballot access for thousands of non felons detained in nevada s jails. soon after the booth opened, the first voter cast her ballot. how did it feel to be able to cast your your vote it felt nice, actually felt good for activists shigella chambers. you can put that on my epa ten it s a hard-fought victory there is a pressure for us to shine brightly on this first run. a felony conviction after a violent altercation during college costs, chambers his freedom and his voting rights for more than five years. i feel that someone who is doing this work needs to be formerly incarcerated to engage that population now he works for the non-profit silver state voices, running outreach to thousands of potential voters behind bars one of the first bullet points on here it says why you cannot vote, okay, that s a key. you cannot vote if you are serving a sentence on a felony conviction in a city or county jail, then it makes clear if you re pretrial for serving on a misdemeanor you re eligible jackpot. one of the biggest hurdles, convincing eligible incarcerated voters to cast a ballot amid polarization and misinformation patient more than 2,500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates super match incarcerated felons. do you think that has an impact on even people who are eligible? it s about without question, without question it took months and the threat of lawsuits for jails to get up to speed. we had an election happened, but no jail fully. what s compliant? and what the law facilities across the state worked with voting rights groups like the aclu and election workers to finally ensure ballot access ahead of tuesday s primary their vote should not be any less important than the individuals that are out here. and unfortunately, they face those barriers that we were here on outside, don t even really you think about those barriers, the basics for those who are behind bars postage for change of address forms blue and black pens to fill in balance and at least in this jail, a polling booth, something that goes beyond what the law requires. this is something that is a first for us and i think we re going to probably do it better than anybody else. we ve tried to progress cells on that. there really was no model for us to follow. we ve had a couple of opportunities to make sure we get it right for the general election in november chambers hopes this is one step toward politicians actively campaigning for voters behind bars in clark county. you have potential victory is lying in those sales at least for now. i want to i guess is it makes a huge difference night, i step toward voters like elliot carver hall, having their voices heard it felt a little bit of empowerment, a little, just a little bit, a little tiny bit sara marie joins us now from las vegas. so this is the first time these voting booths had been used. how did the process go? it went pretty smoothly, although there were voters who showed up to vote and found out they were actually registered in a different county or in some cases, in a different state which is indication of the education gap that still exist for those who are behind bars. there were dozens of folks who wanted to vote from the jail today and we expect that that s cut number is going to be even larger when we get to the general election in november. this was sort of a dry run for the big event
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israel already accepted all right 5:00 a.m. here in washington, a live look at capitol hill early on this wednesday morning. good morning, everyone. i m kasie hunt. it s wonderful to have you with us for the first time in american history, the child of a sitting president has been convicted of a crime. a jury in delaware finding hunter biden guilty on all three felony charges, two, for lying about his drug use on a federal background check. a third possessing for possessing a gun while addicted to or using illegal drugs. the verdict ended a very stressful week and a half for the biden family. the trial exposing painful details about the extent of hunter s drug use the president embracing his just convicted sun on a tarmac in wilmington shortly after the verdict was handed down, the president releasing the statement, quote, as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. he added as i also said, last week, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal reaction came in quickly from across capitol hill. here s a little bit from both sides of the aisle but mr. speaker, you ve been saying two tier system of justice for some time. here s the president s son being convicted on three counts that undercut your clients. it doesn t every case is different and clearly the evidence was overwhelming here. i don t think just the case in the trump trial. i ve not heard a single democrat anywhere in the country cry fraud cry fixed, cry, rigged a cry kangaroo court. you don t hear a single peek out of any democrats saying that why we believe in the rule of law all right, journey is down to discuss deaf kite political reporter for axios, stef. good morning to you. thank you so much for being here. good. how would you characterize what we re hearing in reaction to this conviction we ve got a little taste. they re from each side. yeah, it s an interesting democrats have certainly been kind of sticking to the talking point that no one is above the law and they ve been pretty muted in their response or certainly not rushing to the defense of hunter, right now, they re just saying we need to trust the justice system and on the other side, i think it s been interesting to see how republicans are responding to this because of course, we ve heard from some that they are opposed to certain gun laws and they ve been using that as one reason. to kind of push back on the hunter conviction here and we ve also seen republicans say, yeah, maybe they found him guilty in this situation, but this isn t enough. we ve heard from exam, for example, james comer are calling for more investigation into biden family members. so we re seeing them take this and demand more certainly not cheering this very loudly from republicans. yeah, i mean, the way republicans are, i mean, in some ways they re they re almost downplaying it. this was matt gaetz, who of course has been you know it doesn t exactly. shy away from saying inflammatory things. he writes this, the hunter biden gun conviction is kinda dumb to be honest, dbh and then marjorie taylor greene says that what we really should be focused on quote, unquote remains untouched and then she says hunter biden just became the deepstate sacrificial lamb to show that justices balanced, while the other biden crimes remain ignored. she s of course, talking about the sprawling impeachment investigation into the president via some of the business activities of his son that ultimately showed have so far failed to turn up anything extraordinarily incriminating. it does put them in a little bit of a difficult spot when they are saying what they re saying about former president trump s conviction. exactly i mean, the reality is this does undermine some of their arguments that they ve been making for the past several years, that the justice department, that justice system is biased against conservatives and that trump is a victim of this. and now we have hunter biden, the son of the sitting president, a democrat and a very democratic state who is still being found guilty of federal charges. and so that doesn t quite neatly fit into this narrative that republicans have been spinning four. again since 2015, 2016. and so we re seeing them trying to get around on that. of course. and one of the ways they re trying to get around this is by saying, oh see, this was just to make people forget about how bad the case was against trump. they re pointing to this as no politically motivated, still even now, because again, they need to explain this away. how can if the justice system is so rigged, how can hunter biden still be found guilty in a democratic state so in terms of the president himself, i mean, clearly the statement that they put out focused on his role as a dad, you obviously was on camera when he embraced hunter there after this all came down, he did not go to the trial, but his wife, the first lady, jill biden, attended every single day. i mean, what do you hear from sources about how the stress of going through this has affected them as they are the president s campaign for reelection. yeah, i mean, there s no question that joe biden cares a lot about his family. it s a very close-knit family and there s no question that that hunters ongoing issues with addiction and then these criminal cases have impacted him. he is invested the fact that we did see him immediately helicopter to delaware to see hunter after this decision came through shows that he is invested in this. the fact that the first lady was there and you know, every every day at this trial, this is going to impact the family emotionally and it s going to impact joe biden as he is trying to run for reelection in a very closely contested race. whether we see this actually impact 2024 is still an open question. there s no polling that indicates that voters are necessarily going to change. there minds around this. but i do think the biggest impact this could have is on joe biden s focus and how he s willing to campaign and whether he s willing to set this aside and really focus on what needs to be done i mean, look like presidential campaign is a crucible and anything that distracts you has the potential to really kind of effect thanks from a very and he s got this trial coming up in september on tax issues. han fei, those which is of course very squarely in the political calendar, steph. thank you. i really appreciate you. start us off this morning. thank you. alright coming up next here, president biden heading out on another international trip today, plus the southern state with almost a month s worth of rain in a single day more is coming plus the matchup is set to one the most important senate races of the year. but bring you that the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president, one stage 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that starts tomorrow, he ll be meeting with the leaders of france and germany both leaders reeling from heavy defeats in recent european parliamentary elections also, prime minister, british prime minister rishi sunak, he is in the grips of a political storm himself as they all face stiff domestic competition and similar challenges to staying in power i will earn your trust and i will prove to you that only a conservative government led by me will not put are harder and economic stability at risk. this is a situation that i cannot come to terms with the rise of nationalists, of demagogues is a danger for our nation. what do you think you need to accomplish are that debate stage i have to share ready says, remind people what he says and what i believe what he believed my journey me now cnn s max foster live from london. max, good morning to you as i watch this and think about kind of what s unfolding across europe. but also here in the us well, politico wrote it. this way. let s, let s read from it, quote, the three liters or dramatically changing the plot and facing their issues head-on. basically, they argue that the establishment politicians in this case are trying to hold up a global order that is fraying, particularly because of challenges, doesn t totally apply to rishi sunak on the right. but for the germans, the french, and of course, biden here at home with trump it is trying to take on this kind of rising nationalism. how do you look at all of this and what s the conversation like heading into the g7? yeah. well, i think rishi sunak is facing the same thing because whilst the left free labor party is expected to win the election, is the fact that the far right reform party is taken so many votes away from rishi sunak s conservative party. so while he is on the right and the other toura, center-left, they re all in the center and they re all facing a real threat from the right. the idea, i think bringing things forward, macron and sunak bringing on these elections much earlier than people expected. biden going into the debates many people expected, i think is this the theory that if you appeal to the rational side of people with serious policies, then you ll be able to argue that over a longer period of time before people actually go to the polls. but i think the right is very successfully. certainly here in europe, argue it s a bizarre one because they re basically arguing around cost of living, inflation. people can t afford things. so therefore, you need to hunker down stop immigration, stopped sending money to ukraine, stop paying for the environment, which is that idea of the cost of living crisis has always been an argument. the left you successfully in the past and it s in another right is using it. so many people are seeing it really as a failure of the left in many ways, but it s also a big chunk allen s for the center ground yeah. no, it s it s a really interesting way to look at it. i mean, i would also say, i mean, one of the things that is big picture different here and challenging is the security situation, right? i mean the there s an isolationist tendency to the trump situation here. in the the us that quite frankly, really affects how the us will interact with nato, european security. i mean, there are russian warships doing drills 30 miles off the coast of florida that the us military is monitoring right now. and of course there s discussion about how this fits into the recent us decision to allow us weapons to be used across the border with russia. all of that kind of looming over these leaders as they meet know absolutely this is probably says more about russia, doesn t it? this these ships than it does about the us. russia showing its global presence and it s coming through on everything, isn t it? whether right. but they ve been trying to undermine they ve been trying to kind of there s evidence that they ve been trying to encourage and stoke some of this race wing political activity to try and split the west and reduce the security power across the board of the west now, yeah, it s all about creating divisions in the west so they can fill that vacuum with their own or authority in these ships are really a visualization all of that certainly in terms of isolationism, it does come into the right-wing debate here in europe as it does into america, because it s the, question about, do we support ukraine or do we not support ukraine? do we focus our own internal issues? so it all plays into the same thing. so certainly in terms of putin s and she s wider strategy to assert themselves and fill the vacuum on the global stage. the right-wing helps because it brings all the western allies into a more national frame of mind if you like, and less involved in international affairs are very interesting. all right, max foster for us my than london max are grateful to have you. thank you alright. coming up next, senate democrats move to pass a supreme court ethics bill. those in stand 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receive a lesser sentence he also was facing another trial on the horizon, hunter biden s tax trial is set to start on september 5th, joining me now, criminal defense attorney andrew tarkovsky. andrew, good morning to you. thank you so much for being here. can you talk us through what is i likely sentence in this case for the gun charge alone, it is not likely that he will see jail time if you run the federal sentencing calculator, you can get somewhere between about six to ten months as the recommended sentence. but that s well within the area of when judges give some sort of more probationary type of sentence that doesn t have jail time. the problem for hunter is that this conviction, even if it doesn t see jail time on its own, that combined with the september tax trial, if he s convicted of that, would most certainly result in some degree of jail time likely in the neighborhood of a number of years. this conviction would be used as an aggravate are in that case as a factor that would increase the sentence under the guidelines really interesting, what what are the potential sentencing? what would he be looking at if he s convicted on these on these tax charges realistically, that put them at tenure. just give me a little bit more context on what what that could mean. this is an interesting tax case where he has paid his taxes since, but had gone on for a number of years, not only just not paying the taxes but also there s many kind of underlying issues with the way in which he was reporting the taxes, what he was saying he was paying the taxes on versus what he was actually spending his money on. so there are layers of those tax issues at hand. if he s convicted of everything, this is the case that could be generally in the single digits type of years of confinement, i would see a generally in the two to five range, but it s a very difficult number to give you a good idea of at this stage since we don t know what he s convicted of and the federal sentencing guidelines which were once effectively mandatory, are now discretionary. and so it s more of a guidepost. this type of case, tho i think would be in the low single-digits of years of confinement still interesting that there could be repercussions from this case even if there s no jail time here that we could really dramatically affect the outcome there. so can we talk for a second about how the jury made this decision because we are actually and i m interested to know why you think we re hearing so much from the jurors? as it s come out of that we saw some of spoken on camera to other networks this was what one told up politico. they said the defense s decision to call biden s daughter, naomi, to the stand, didn t help his case. i thought it was a mistake. the juror told reporters on tuesday, i think it was probably a strategy they shouldn t have done no daughters should have to testify against her dad at what do you make of what the jurors have come out and said about how they reached this verdict. well, i think it reflects generally the idea that hunter biden was pretty dead to rights the evidence against him was so overwhelming that they had to get to this conviction, but we still see the jurors have sympathy for him. they see this. it sounds like as a relatively minor criminal offense, which it is in scope of federal law and federal criminal prosecutions that typically take place. but that s not necessarily for the jury to decide how serious is this offense. it s a question of what s the evidence actually show us and what s the law say? what the jury isn t essentially debating upon is the impact that s had to the family. the back to those around they seem to indicate this idea that they re hoping that he gets clean and sober go through his rehab. that s all this sort of sympathy that perhaps the defense kind of put forward hoping for a different outcome, whether that was an effort by the defense to actually have jury nullification. we now know that the jury themselves were immune to that. they saw this for what it was calling it a more minor offense. but nonetheless, coming back with the verdict that they say was justice fired by the evidence all right. andrew truck ascii for us this morning, andrew. thank you very much for that. thank you it s good politics now the matchup is set. nevada s incumbent senator democrat jacky rosen will face republican sam brown in the general election this fall. nevada shaping up to be one of the most important states this election cycle as democrats look to hang out on to their razor thin control of the senate. when everyone votes in november, brown is a purple heart recipient and viewed as a rising star among republicans. and so it is tonight we continue to deliver health care to dream is not dead it was now, dad and the marriage of nine-member giovani jacky rosen begins to end tonight as we celebrate tonight, we re not celebrating my campaign for senate we celebrate our campaign for nevada joining me now, do you see correspondent for the nevada independent, gabby birnbaum. gabby. good morning to you so this race, of course, at critical because the senate is literally on a knife edge, right? so every single race matters talk a little bit about me. first of all, he s clearly adopted this dark rhetoric that the trump campaign has about the state of america. this is not the optimistic city on a hill type of message that you would have heard from a ronald reagan era republican. but this does i do think there are some republicans here in washington who think that this was a good outcome. how did this play out? yeah. i mean, republicans, like he said, this is the senate, hangs on literally any one of these seats for democratic incumbents that could flip and republicans would have control the senate. so they ve had this nevada matchups they re called for years in 2022 was the closest senate race in the country. and so as sam brown, this is who the nrsc, i m the national republican senatorial committee. this is who jaylen florida. they re publican governor of nevada. this is the guy they wanted and they got their guy last night by like 44 points in the primary. so it was never really a doubt but yeah. i mean, like you mentioned this, he talks a lot about we don t have an american dream anymore. it s an american nightmare. it reminds me a lot of the american carnage sort of trump first inaugural speech. and i think it shows that question for brown and for all of these challenges this will be how do you appeal to the base that s very pro-trump in states like nevada, where trump hasn t one and pulling this cycle shows maybe this is the year that he does it. but how do you sort of know that this is how you win a primary. this is how you appeal to people while also knowing in nevada it s the non-partisan voters, the independence who you really need to get to that 50% threshold. we ve seen in, in some states that democratic senate, and this is actually backwards from what you sometimes see in other election cycles. but the democratic senate candidates seem to be running ahead of president biden. is that the case in nevada yes. so i mean, you ve seen polls were biden s down by double-digits and rose up like plus one i ve seen polls where trump is up five and rosen s also up five. that d be a level of ticket-splitting and i looked into this and the data does have a pretty significant history of ticket-splitting, but it wasn t a different time when that was just way more for comment. in o for bush won by three points and harry reid, one by 35 points or something. that s very raid specific situation would have been a little yeah. itself, but i think as politics has become more nationalized, as nevada sort of local political culture of boosting incumbents in the senate no matter what, as a small state as that s sort of given way to this national political discourse that s so hyper-partisan. i would be surprised if the split ends up being that big in my mind. who s a trump rozi and voter? it s hard to think of who this person might be. but yes, certainly rozi, like other candidates, is running ahead of biden ben. and so i think it ll be a question for brown now of how do i get these voters who think they re going to vote for trump are considering trump, but might be skeptical of me. how do i speak to them so let s i m talking across. nevada was not the only state that help primers last night. we also had one in south carolina and the primary that was being most closely watched was nancy mace, who of course, voted to oust former house speaker kevin mccarthy. and mccarthy had made it a project to try to get the second name on that screen over the finish line, catherine templeton challenged nancy mace in this it s a charleston area, south carolina district so mace came out on top here. how much of an embarrassment is that for mccarthy? i mean, look, i think it s curious to see what mccarthy we ll do next, right. those rumors that if trump wins, he could be chief of staff or something. i think it just shows that once you re out of congress, you re out of congress, right? here lewin s is somewhat limited in what you can do. he s been trying to behind the scenes enact some sort of revenge on the people who took him down. mace, i think particular really got under his skin because his office had tried to help her with her legislative priorities. there was a good long piece of slate. this week all about sort of her interesting political demeanor. but yeah, confused a lot of people for sure. but i guess, i guess voters and south carolina s first district still felt good about it. so yeah, i do think for mccarthy, like i said, once you re out, you re out with congress yeah. i before i let you go, i want to touch on what we could see play out in the house today. there is some reporting that we have here at cnn that there are a handful of house republicans who are privately voiced concerns about a plan to hold merrick garland in contempt of congress. but they did announce last night they re going to go forward with this vote today. what do you expect on the floor? i think that ll be interesting. i mean, the fact that there s all these reports, the reports that they might have pulled it, the fact that there budding the vote on the floor, i mean, this is not a republican whip team that s been uber successful in exactly where the votes are. so i don t think anyone will be surprised if it were to fail typically, i think but the moderates have been upset about something they usually do, keep it off the floor. they re pretty open with leadership about their concerns. they re not right. the freedom caucus, i m not trying to wreak havoc on the floor. so the fact that they are bringing is a floor or i mean, we ll see i think this is the closer we get to the election, the more and more people are not going to want to take tough votes, particularly on such hyper-partisan things like rice this is a tough thing 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here was blinken yesterday before hamas is response everyone has said yes except for hamas and if hamas doesn t say yes, then this is clearly plea on them all right. told me not to discuss the un global affairs analyst kim dozer. kim, good morning to you. thank you so much for being here. are reporting. is that hamas did submit a response proposing amendments to the israeli proposal, adjustments to the or adding a timeline for a permanent ceasefire. and with thrall from gaza, this there seems to be an awful lot of fog around where each side stands on this proposal at all. can you kind of try to help us understand clearly where are the israelis on this? are they a definitive yes. and what this means from hamas that we saw yesterday today there s one key part of this peace deal that the ceasefire deal that each side keeps trying to change hamas wants to include some sort of permanent ceasefire in the deal what they have, what they ve been offered right now is phases six weeks was submit exchange, and a temporary ceasefire that then becomes permanent after some negotiations midway through they don t want that the israelis meanwhile benjamin netanyahu government he cannot say yes to a deal that has a permanent ceasefire in it because that will instantly dissolve his government. the hard-right members of his coalition have threatened to pull out if he signs up any deal that has a permanent ceasefire in it. so that s why you ve got a lot of stuff decided on the edges. but this one key point hamas wants to be able to survive and keep fighting and netanyahu s political survival is based on making sure hamas can t do that. therein lies the crux of the matter so what is the way out of that? but it s very hard to see it way out of that. that s why the original deal as the white house had shared with the world, has these phases where you get a bunch of the hostages back, you get prisoner exchanges. so that was sweetening it for the palestinian side that they get some of their hardline prisoners out and then you use that momentum of that progress to get through the second stage of the deal. so that perhaps netanyahu could then go back to his hardline coalition and go back to israel haley public and say see, i got all so many of the hostages out. now, it s time to have an off-ramp for this, but you got to agree to the first part to get to that second kim, let s talk about the sort of broader tensions in the region because we have seen slit, escalating back-and-forth between israel and lebanon. the washington post says it s a war that s unfolding in slow motion. and rockets are being launched from lebanon toward israel. how concerned should we be at this point? but this is going to tip into something more significant all along, it seems that the overall strategy of iran, which is supporting hezbollah and supporting hamas, has been to turn the tension up when israel is already on the back foot, just to keep exhausting its army the israeli army has having to go back to certain parts of gaza that it had said it had cleared already, and all of a sudden up in the north, there s an uptick in fighting. it s stretching and exhausting the army and pointing out to israel that if you want to keep going on these two fronts, it s going to cost you more in manpower and eventually in tax dollars because they don t have enough of a standing army to keep up this fight at this point. and that has put pressure on the israeli people to think about, do we? want to be doing this forever? and what that would cost? yeah. i mean, and what does that mean politically for netanyahu? i mean, is he coming under pressure from people? i mean, obviously israel israel as conscription mandatory service in their country. that s got to put some pressure on him. know, there s local israel issue specifically regarding that secular israelis are upset that for the most part, very religious israelis are allowed to opt out of military service. and there s been a fight to make more of them find, to find some way to draft more of them. into the ongoing fight. and that has been working its way through the israeli knesset but the hard-right members of netanyahu s coalition have said, if you force, are religious people to fight we will pull out. so again, netanyahu s caught between the secular folks. so he needs to win the next election and the coalition members he needs to stay in government cheerful. kim toes, you re for us this morning. thank you. i really appreciate your time. all right. so now for sports, do or die in dallas for the maths tonight the nba finals, andy scholes has this morning s police report and good morning. good morning. case. it s only game three, but the mass they have to win excuse me, they have to win tonight because notes, even me hey, history while struggling, i ve ever come back from an o3 deficit. i the big news given out yesterday is the celtics announced that star center kristaps prison thank suffer what the team calls a rare injury to his left leg. he s not questionable fourth, tonight s game per zinc has said he felt something happened during game too, but he s gonna do every you think he can to play with or without presenting as the celtics or they re treating game three like a must-win despite having a 2-0 lead in the series almost got to play like you now know to, rather than up and that s hard to do but you gotta go into that mind frame that focuses like now, we our plan like that have been down o2 before lost a series won a series. so i know what it takes i gave three tonight 830 eastern brahma dallas, us open. meanwhile, it sees off tomorrow from pinehurst at the big question is, can anyone beat world number one, scottie scheffler. he s won five of his last eight tournaments, including the masters. the worst he s done since since march was tied for eighth at the pga championship and he was arrested before second round of that tournament. those charges were dropped. scheffler knows all eyes are gonna be on him tomorrow, but it doesn t bother them at all i mean, as far as a target on my back, even if there was there s not really much that we can do in the game of golf. most of it is against the dollar of course, i m point against yourself. so target on my back done really, i don t really feel it and then i don t really think about it much. what is the most impressive to you about what he s been able to accomplish so far? for this year. the fact that the only thing that took him from winning a golf tournament was going into a jail cell for an ar usa basketball s announce the official a women s roster for the upcoming paris olympics. and caitlin clark eyes indeed not a part of it. the selection committee said they were aware of the outside noise and pressure to select clark, but she did not have the experience of other players. maybe they just want international experience because diana taurasi, breanna stewart, sylvia fouls, and candace parker we re all on the olympic team as wnba rookie s barkat, better college career. and all of them i violated. we americans, we ve got great fourth of july traditions, barbecue, fireworks, and watch and joey chestnut just dominate the nathan s hot dog eating contest but that s now being taken from us. chess, not a 16th time champ has been banned from the annual competition because he signed a deal with impossible foods to wrap their plant-based hot dogs test that saying the on x that he s gutted about the decision adding sadly, this is the decision of nathan s and major league eating are making and it will deprive the great fans of the holiday as usual, joy and entertainment in casey chestnut, one of the most dominant athletes of our time. no one can pound hot dog funds dipped in water better than him and it s going to be sad and forth. digital ad nazi him compete it will be sad not to see him compete. i don t know if i didn t put him in the eye. i am happy to see you doing this story and he shall also that i m not sure so certain a 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steve: final hour from new york and also dallas and italy, as well. hour three starts right now. ainsley: a fox news alert. concerns of a terror threat crossing our southern border becoming a reality. steve: eight suspects were arrested after being released into the united states. go wherever you want. lawrence: lucas tomlinson has more on that. lucas: this is situation many americans feared. suspected terrorists among them. eight suspects with ties to isis entered the united states illegally and received full vetting by authorities. the fact these eight isis suspects got through the border is travesty. isis-k is extremely dangerous, we must be vigilant. lucas: the suspects are from t tajekistan. back to the tajiks in the united states, they were arrested in los angeles, new york and philadelphia in recent days. according to the new york post, part of the investigation featured a wiretap which revealed one individual was talking about bombs, remember the boston marathon bombing, something like that might happen again or worse. same style and method as the moscow massacre. these suspects were from t tajikistan. steve: exactly right. lucas, thanks very much. when we heard of countries where various terrorists or suspected terrorists are from, tajikistan hasn t been on our radar. officials were able to hear somebody say something about bombs. they are cryptic about it. according to news reports two of the people snuck it were apprehended about a year ago. one of the guys who was arrested used the cbp app to apply to come into the country. ainsley: they were allowed to come across the border. border is a huge issue for every state, especially for texas. b brian, they let the guys in, they were in the u.s. and flagged and they started doing research and heard them talking about the bombs. you remember fbi director wray talked about this was his biggest fear. this was in june, of this year or last year? this year, i believe. we ve seen the threat rise to a whole other level, increasingly concerning is potential for a coordinated attack here in the homeland, not unlike the isis-k attack. lawrence: the fbi director has been warning about this. you can t have policy based on emotion. current president turned everything off at the border and decided to let people in. the former president warned criminals would cross the border and people that had terror ties and we cannot forget in the past administration, isis was destroyed and we re talking about isis again and members crossing the border. brian: couple things. put down the fbi and they have done things questionable and think about their job. thousands are crossing everyday, there are countries that don t cooperate with the terror watch list. people have to track them and communicate with ice and pick them up. ice group diminished and depleted by this administration. for people that want to feel better about a terrorist attack,et s6800 have come acros california sector. texas has done an effective job. 4900 got in. people get to stay and get a hearing in 10 years. i am here to be a terrorist, we track them and we got them ahead of time. i worry about the odds catching up quickly. steve: border patrol agents are told, there is a list of 100 countries, if they are from that country, they can t be returned, we don t have a deal. tajikistan will say, just ltd. them in. ainsley: this is just eight of them that they just caught. lawrence: such a good point, there is a volume issue, you have so many people crossing, there is going to be people. the former president gave an interview and goes, some reports came out about known terrorists that came across during this administration. he said, it was zero, i don t even believe that, there are people that cross we don t know. there are some that are criminals or part of terrorist groups. when you have an administration that does not understand, we have ia situation like this. i thank god they found these guys and got a wiretap. what about people we don t know about. moments ago, president trump go ahead. brian? brian: go ahead. lawrence: moments ago brian: go ahead, you got the prompter. president biden getting set to go to g-7. lawrence: president biden is on his way to base andrews before heading to the g-7 summit in italy. steve: this overseas trip after potus made unscheduled trip to delaware yesterday, last night, to see hunter on the tarmac following hunter s conviction on three federal gun charges. ainsley: jacqui heinrich is live where world leaders will be meet approximating. protracted battle to get u.s. funding secured and idea of trump presidency ahead and groups in europe gaining support in this weekend s parliament elections. g-7 will consider tapping frozen russian assets and there are divisions between these countries. biden is pushing to use funds and the interest and europeans have been pushing to use just the interest. the president suggested headway had been discussed during his trip to normandy. did you discuss russian asset issue with macron and come up with an agreement how to use them? yes and yes. there are other challenges, including threat posed by artificial intelligence, that will be talked about in a special session with the pope and issues in africa and trade im imbalance in china. stronger language calling on china to stop enabling russia s war machine. our commitment to ukraine will continue to be right up front and clear. take bold steps to show mr. putin time is not on his side. we support ukraine s fight for freedom. white house is not commenting on latest ceasefire talks. officials wouldn t comment on the w wall street journal repot that sinwar believe this helps their cause. the president is set to arrive in italy later today and end this trip with a press conference with zelenskyy tomorrow and if you re a president who does not like taking questions, zelenskyy s presence mean he will only have to take two. steve: speaks of press availability, any idea why yesterday it was on the schedule, karine jean-pierre was going to brief the press at the white house. out of nowhere, they pulled the plug, what happened? well, you know, they have not said anything officially about why that happened. we were all watching developments in court with the case. we saw the president leave from his remarks and went directly toil withmington from there. you have seen the white house not hold briefings if the president is not in town. he was scheduled to be around. we have seen them hold briefings when he was local, not in another state. a surprise to everybody when the reshuffling happened. steve: sad you have to go to italy to ask him some questions. two. ainsley: a at least good food and beautiful scenery. we have been wondering why the j juneteenth concert was held a few weeks ago instead of next wednesday. abc, is reporting now the politic will go to camp david when he gets back from the g-7 to start prepping for the debate, which is the last thursday much the month. lawrence: watching dana perino. always measured, she was talking about the president s ability. can he do the job. she has been in the room when tough decisionings are made. this is what she had to say on the five . watch. dana: father time is undefeated. what i find alarming is that there is only one person empowered in our government who can make national security decisions we need and have to be made on a trigger s notice and i do not feel watching him the last several months, in particular last three weeks, that you can have confidence that would happen. so for example, you are commander-in-chief and i say i m chief of staff or military aide, sir, this is happening right now, what do you want us to do, are you confident that he would be able to do that? i want him to be able to do that, i feel empathy for him and i worry for him, about him. i don t want to get mad at him. i love the fact people want to helpim had. everyone has to think hard about this. lawrence: many people in the media ask the same question with donald trump in the last presidency. should we question his mental f fitness and there wasn t a special counsel saying he wasn t fit to stand trial. why can t we ask that about joe biden when there are so many obvious signs of him not being the same biden. brian: two weeks, we will have a debate, my hope is they don t do to joe biden what they were doing with donna brazille did giving clinton the questions. and they don t spend the whole time on january 6. you can t hide from it. as jon stewart said, we keep hearing how crisp and how strong he is behind the scenes, can we see that guy? sooner or later, we ll see if that guy exists. then there is january june 11th. couple of campaign cycles ago, big question, is this person ready to take the 2:00 a.m. or 3:00 a.m. phone call. to dana s point, he s lost a step, a bunch of steps. that is something people are talking about. you are down at a place called k kubie s at schneider plaza. the own er does a lot of bake know on, it has to be killing him. brian: yep. john cubie, round of applause for the guy that put this place together. how many generations? i m first generation, my dad s family started in 1728. my son is 15th generation. brian: marvelous combination of restaurant and supermarket, how has it affected you and your prices? food cost has gone up, you have to pass it on to some extent, you can t overprice. brian: do you lose business? of course you lose business, mar margin goes down. brian: when people say bidenomics is working, look at the numbers, what do you say? no, no, it is not working. brian: your place is packed, because of us or packed everyday? we have a loyal customer base. brian: see what a great place this is. round of applause for yourself, getting up early for us. you have a breakfast crowd and lunch crowd, right? this makes this place great, it is supermarket. come in, shop and eat. what do we gotz? this is our market, it has been an evolution. it started there and my dad made his own sausage and cold cuts, we grew and opened a restaurants. cold cut, cheese, famous pimento cheese we make ourselves. pro produce section. groceries in the middle. brian: how much are eggs in dallas? $7 for cage free eggs. brian: taking your word on that, we have no footage. you have a supermarket, deli section. we make salad inhouse, bring in cold cuts, make sausage, have a full service meat market. brian: pictures of the local community. my son is there, who works with me. brian: he will take over next. he is. brian: does he know it? he is. he is the boss. brian: how do you feel about being the next generation? brian: he knows where he s getting his summer job each and every year. thanks for having us. congratulations on this. your final thought about the economy, if we could change one thing, what would it be? change the president. brian: see if that changes economic principleses. will cain just came into the building. we ll bounce back and forth and see what everybody thinks from the dallas perspective. steve: get a taste of the chicken salad, it is really good. i know you like chicken salad. brian: they gave me a pound to go home with, it is in the re refrigerator. steve: thanks. ainsley: another big story this morning, greatest of all time will not be on stage for annual nathan s hot dog eating contest for 4th of july. joey chestnut posting this after being banned from the event on coney island saying fans will be deprived of the entertainment of the holiday. it comes because of his deal with impossible foods which required him to eat their meatless hot dogs, a competitor of nathan s. lawrence: i don t understand what he was thinking. we sign with the network and decide to wear the banner of another network, you can t do that. ainsley: you have to eat nathan s hot dog when eat ing te in the contest. steve: i ve never had the impossible hot dog, it is veggie. ainsley: it is plant based. could be great. lawrence: it goes against the idea of the contest. it is street food, meat, disgusting. ainsley: i agree. we are veganizing it or plant-basing it, i understand trying to appease everyone. they should get their own hot dog eating contest. ainsley: they offered him a lot of money and said, we will pay you this amount of money. he should have thought, it is nathan s hot dog eating contest, he should have asked them. i m sure he signed a contract and it usually says you can t go to a competitor. steve: he has won 16 times, he s already greatest of all time by a longshot, maybe this was a business decision. i could win again or make a lot of money and probably providing for his family. lawrence: you should finish on top. it is like michael jordan, you sign with the bulls, you stay on top. you don t go sign with the lakers and destroy your legacy and i think that is what he just did. he has a chance to undo this. ainsley: they said if we can come to a resolution, he is welcome to participate in the contest. steve: i like your comment about the bulls, beef, it comes back to beef. they got a beef with veggie dogs. lawrence: full of puns today. progressive act vivist defendin her decision to secretly record supreme court justices. nothing illegal about recording people, please tell me how we ll get answers when supreme court is sclhrouded in legacy. lawrence: wow, she s bold. steve: trey gowdy. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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[ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg s moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don s paying so much for at&t, he s been waiting to update his equipment! there s a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don t have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities. who recorded justice samuel alito, his wife and chief justice roberts is speaking out. audio recordings, nothing illegal about recording people as long as one person is a party to the conversation. people who want to pearl clutch, how do we get answers when the supreme court has been clshroud in secrecy? lawrence: here to react is former prosecutor, trey gowdy. trey, i got questions here. try to hit them fast. there are laws, you can t lie to federal prosecutor or agent, can you lie to a federal judge, supreme court justice and secretly record them? trey: not if you re a lawyer, you can t. i hope she does not have a law degree, she will not have it long. some states allow single party c consent. if you re a lawyer, there is a different rule of law. there are groups on the right that do it, i don t celebrate that group. when someone on the left does it, i say the same. if you want a conversation, be h honest about it. lawrence: i get journal ism side of it. court is different, especially the supreme court. there is a reason why they have life-time appointment. do we think this may be a bridge too far? trey: oh, for sure. thing about judges, they speak through opinions. i am at the age in life where my friends are older than yours. some are judges, they have personal beliefs. we pick them to be judges because we expect them to separate their personal beliefs. you may remember dianne feinstein quiz zing supreme cout justice that barrett could not separate from her writings. she s been able to do that. here are two conservative justices saying conservative things. john roberts showed more character in his answer than this reporter did in her conduct. lawrence: i listened to the answers and they did not say anything wrong, nothing breaking news, they did not violent the law or say it will impact their judicial decisions. i think they left the conversation looking better. what say you? trey: i do, too. here, news flash, two conservative justices that have conservative religious views said conservative things. if that is newsworthy, i heard two courteous men, here is the chilling effect, i don t think they will talk to anyone going forward they don t have pre-existing relationship with. she hasun radioed it for people that would love to have the opportunity to talk to judges. lawrence: good point. we rarely hear from them anyway, she ruined it for all of us. trey gowdy, thank you. always fair. don t move, brian is live from the lone star state with a special guest, i think you know him, his name is will cain. i told myself i was ok with my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis symptoms. with my psoriatic arthritis symptoms. but just ok isn t ok. and i was done settling. if you still have symptoms after a tnf blocker like humira or enbrel, rinvoq is different and may help. rinvoq is a once-daily pill that can rapidly relieve joint pain, stiffness, and swelling in ra and psa. relieve fatigue. and stop further joint damage. and in psa, can leave skin clear or almost clear. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin; heart attack, stroke, and gi tears occurred. people 50 and older with a heart disease risk factor have an increased risk of death. serious allergic reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. done settling? 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[applause] brian: will cain, well supported. every stat thats people of texas care about immigration of the border, a national problem. they may cross in texas, it becomes a national problem. will: it is an international problem. i point this out. the european union across entire co continent from italy to germany, swung right because of immigration. muslim countries over there. and changing the culture and laws, changing crime stats. they said enough. that played a role in 2016. explain donald trump in 2016 in part, immigration, it will play a role in 2024. especially i want to call it insane, it is predictable. we ve been saying this is going to happen. brian: we used to have a handle on it, we left afghanistan in an ill-planned exits and because of that little insight to the terror side. you are professional, texas, diner goer and reporter. let s go talk to the people. will: go talk to my people. brian: they are more fascinating, let s do it. you go right, i go left. this is your home game. will: you put me on the spot, where is my camera. bring it in. brandon, let s go, brandon, last name fox. what are you thinking about at your age of the state of the country? main thing i m thinking about is the economy, i just graduated from school here in texas, you are looking on and getting ready to start life. more important is safety of our country and reminding each other values we are built on. will: how old are you? 22 years old. will: they like that. brian: female perspective from mary. what is your number one concern? you know, i m raising two young kids and it is so important, safety aspect. we don t know who is coming across everyday. safety of border is number one, education number two. i m actively involved in pta, and things we ve unearthed in curriculum mandated is shocking and needs to change. brian: that is disturbing, more with will cain, toss to you. will: couple of guys, this is gabe terrell, terrell construction. cranes going up downtown. dallas has been insulated, everything is moving here. it is hard, inflation, interest rates, this area is place you want to be in the united states. absolutely, will, a lot of construction projects going on, great area to be in. brian: how hard to build will s mansion and how many cranes did will need? 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here to react is former white house senior counsel, kellyanne conway. good morning. we are seeing video of join base andrews, about to head to italy. there are reports he will go to camp david and hunker down and stay there 10 days while he does debate prep. the debate is two weeks from tomorrow. does he need that much time? kellyanne: he does need that much time. hillary clinton all but disa disappeared during debate time. donald trump stayed on the campaign trail. i think that benefited him enormously, if you over prepare, then you sound contrived and in the case of joe biden, you lie. news of the day out of the delaware trial, we have department of justice that conf confirmed hunter biden s lapd is real. hunter biden is guilty of three felonies in delaware and the biden family is connected through the laptop, hauling in money from chinese infrastructure company from hunter. why is this important? it was debate stage where biden lied to the american people in 2020 and said he never discussed business with his son and 51 intelligence officials claimed the laptop was russian disinformation. i think biden preparing is one thing. i wonder what is going to happen with him medically for 10 days, we have no hard evidence joe biden can stand intimidated by donald trump for 90 minutes without a teleprompter. ainsley: paul riyn versus joe biden, he sounds differently, he is understandably has more energy and paul ryun said, i ve known biden, he s aged quickly. the guy i debated 12 years ago is not the same guy we have today. what do you expect out of the debate and how is president trump preparing? kellyanne: president trump will review policies. look at polling coming out of pennsylvania. pennsylvania and americans think americans were better off under the trump presidency than biden. why is this important? a lot of questions being asked in polls are questions that will be asked in it is debate. if president trump gives everybody a bin ary choice and reviews economy, crime, quality of well, everyday affordability, border security, economic security, fair ness. one piece of advice to president trump is, let biden speak. numbers seem to numb his brain and if you let biden speak, his lack of ability and truthfulness will be on full display and un undergerred what is believed already, biden is not up to the job. ainsley: we talked about virginia, joe biden won that state by 10 points and now they are neck and neck. in minnin m, new poll shows trump within striking distance of biden. republican has not won there since nixon, that was 1972. kellyanne: minnesota and washington, d.c., only states walter mondale carried in ronald reagan s landsliez reelection victory. trump is expanding victory, minnesota, virginia, possible hamilt new hampshire. name one county where joe biden is trying to expand their map. one thing in all the polls, trump is doing well, each in the states among african americans, and young people. joe biden is bleeding voters, i don t think debate prep will help with that. ainsley: we re watching this live video, he is off to g-7 after this. thank you so much, kellyanne. great to see you. they play hard ball on capitol hill and they are bringing that same energy to nationals park, previewing congressional baseball game. let s check in with dana perino. dana: after tonight, i know what danea reads sports will be about. what we know about eight illegal migrants and where they are now, and andrew cuomo grilled and nicole malliotakis is not satisfied and will join us. and how a recovering addict reviews the hunter verdict. tune in at 9:00. targeted relief. the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. can neuriva support your brain health? 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threat. but moscow has been signaling displeasure that washington recently green light getting ukrainian attacks on russian territory with us supplied-weapons speaking ahead of the cube and naval visit, vladimir putin warned of a possible russian response. easley, and you put it today in the west lai weapons to the zone of combat operations and call for the use of these weapons against our territory. then why do we not have the right to do the same? to mirror these actions? i m not ready to say that we ll do it tomorrow, but we of course, should think about it elsewhere moscow has been stepping up tactical nuclear drills to staging exercises with neighboring belarus near the ukrainian border. russian tactical nukes delivered from either ground or air can level entire cities or the kremlin insists it has no plans at this stage to use the matthew chance cnn moscow. thanks so much for joining us. the situation room begins now happening. now, breaking news, hunter biden s historic guilty verdict on three felony gun charges, becoming the first child hello, to the sitting us president to face conviction. we re getting new reaction from the defense team, the special counsel, the first family, and the trump campaign plus new tails, new details are emerging from donald trump s probation interview that could weigh on judge juan merchan, sentencing decision. what trump told me officials about a firearm. he didn t turn over to police after his indictment. and what that means potentially now that he s a convicted felon also tonight secret audio recordings to taken by liberal activist are raising new questions about the neutrality of the us supreme court. justice samuel alito s comment it s about religion, are raising eyebrows. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i m willing or a year in the situation room the skis, cnn breaking news the breaking news tonight, that president biden in delaware right now after a jury convicted his son, hunter biden on federal gun charges, are chief legal affairs correspondent paula reid has the latest developments of the conclusion of this historic trip president joe biden, son hunter, left federal court in wilmington, delaware today, a convicted felon, a jury of six men and six women, took less than three hours to find him guilty on three counts related to a 2018 gun purchase a few jurors spoke to cnn after court adjourned. one question, whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars, but another juror told cnn that this was a legitimate pursuit. i mean, do you think that this was a legitimate use of taxpayer resources to bring this case? yes. i do believe it, despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agreed that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors. did agree that yes, he know and laying bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role in their decision. those are inviting never really even came in to play for me. his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that s when i that s when it kind of sunk and a little bit, but you kind of put that out of your mind. president biden released a statement after his son s verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal hunter also issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome. special counsel, david weiss made a rare statement defending the case ultimately, this case was not just about addiction, a disease that haunts families across the united states, including hunter biden s this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction this conviction comes to the possibility of a decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. but that is the upper range of sentencing possibilities. it s widely expected here that hunter biden would face something far less. one of the jurors that we spoke with today said he doesn t believe that hunter biden should go to jail at all but the decision ultimately rests with the judge and we ll find out what she decides. we re back here likely in october for sentencing. there is no date set at this point, but is expected that it will happen before election day. wolf ball arena, delaware for us. thank you very much. i want to go to the white house right now. that s where cnn s kayla tausche is standing by. taylor what more can you tell us about how president biden is handling this conviction? well, well, if we can say that president biden is handling this emotionally and with his family i m late in-person, although the biden family has in the past sought privacy during events related to hunter s legal battles. but today, choosing a very republic show of support at the delaware air national guard, where you saw president biden hugging hunter, hugging his wife, melissa biden, and giving a kiss on the head to bone let s his toddler son to hunter and waleses toddler son, beau before hunter greeted the secret service members and many white house staff members before getting into his his own car. and leaving that scene. but this of course comes as president biden is seeking to wear two hats, one of both dad and president. and in that role president earlier in the day, he delivered remarks at a gun safety event everytown for gun safety is gun sense university where he was talking about all of the new the protections put in place by a bipartisan gun law that he and members of congress and promoted back in 2022 following the uvalde school shooting. and he was expected to announce a high volume of doj prosecution s on new gun crimes under that law, totaling more than 500. that statistic appeared in a doj press release but it did not appear in the president s remarks, the white house, when asked about why not they chose instead to point to the overarching message that president biden delivered. there. now as for what happens next, president biden has already been asked about the powers of clemency that he possesses as president and whether he would seek a pardon for his son he has said had no here s how that response came in will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled pulled out a pardon for your son? yes. you have he was not asked about a potential commutation of a potential sentence, but the sentencing is currently expected to take place in the weeks before the election. wealth. kayla tausche at the white house for us, kayla, thank you. i want to dig deeper right now with our legal and political experts of course, khardori or former federal prosecutor, i ll start with you. what do you make of this fascinate the fascinating information we ve learned at least so far from jurors about how they reached this guilty verdict. well, it may think it s a testament to their honesty that the president s status as our commander-in-chief apparently did not weigh into there deliberations in any serious way. i do share the view of one of the jurors who described this as a potential waste of taxpayer money but nevertheless, that juror voted to convict hunter biden, understanding evidently that it s not that person s decision to decide whether or not the case should have been brought, but it was brought the judge the evidence and reach the conclusion that i think was largely unavoidable. jamal, let me get your thoughts and your mouth. simmons is with us. hunter biden, of course, is not a candidate. he s just the president s son. so what do you think the actual political impact of this conviction could be? i don t think there s going to be that great, but political impact, most people are not going to be swayed by this because most people have had some experience with their lives as the tragedy of addiction and gone down the road of what happens if people in their families who are addicted. so on one hand, you ve got the president signs and who is an addict? two substances on the other hand, you ve got a former president who has been convicted of 34 counts of hiding hush money payments to as pornstar mistress to keep her from going public during the midst of a presidential campaign. they re not the same thing. i think most voters know that alyssa farah griffin is also with us. alyssa, i want you in our viewers to listen to the house speaker mike johnson s reaction earlier today to this verdict. listen to this mr. speaker, you ve been saying two-tiered system of justice for some time. here s the president sayyed being convicted on three counts as that undercut your client it doesn t every case is different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don t think that s the case and the trump trials and all the charges that have and brought against couldn t have been obviously brought for political purposes. a hunter biden is a separate instance does this verdict elicit take the steam out of the republicans baseless claims about the weaponization of the us justice department of course, while it absolutely undercut said just taking a step back, we re in uncharted territory here were the same department of justice that indicted donald trump in the mar-a-lago documents case. and in the january 6 case, also just convicted the sitting president, son of a crime through a jury this is anything underscores that our justice system works without fear or favor despite the imperfections of it, it is something that works to be objective and i think it dramatically undermines this claim that it s a weaponized system. if you re an undecided voter, who d wasn t really sure what to make of the trump conviction. you her on the one side, on the right, that this was a weapon and on the left that no. a jury of his peers found him guilty. you re seeing this and i think you re saying, oh, wait, the system does seem to work regardless of who s who the name of the person that is on trial on kirsha, you were in the courtroom. my for much of this trial, hunters, sentencing, as we know, will likely take place in the fall before the election how much time, if any, is he realistically, realistically looking at? and does he have a chance on appeal? look, i would think he would be looking realistically at potentially months in prison if the prosecutors decide to seek a prison term and the judge is seriously considering it that would be consistent with sort of a first-time offender in this space. i m sure he will be arguing for a probation and he would have a good claim to probation given his history in and the uniqueness of this prosecution. but i think at the sort of the extreme he would looking at months, not not multiple years in terms of its appeal prospects. look, i do think he has a colorable appeal here based on his argument that the second amendment basically renders this prosecution unconstitutional and a prohibition it s not generally speaking, then as applied to him, unconstitutional. i have no idea how that issue will be resolved, but the supreme court has issued some very pro-gun rulings in this area. and if you were to follow the logic of the bruin decision to a t, there is a pretty good argument here that the laws under which biden was convicted are also unconstitutional as applied to him under the second amendment two, very interesting jamal or the timing of the verdict and eight, created a rather bizarre optics situation with the president biden delivering a previously scheduled speech, speech about gun safety. what just hours after his son was convicted on felony gun charges? the white house also later canceled the daily press briefing. is this a bad look for the administration? what do you think it s a bad day for the administration, but more importantly, it s a bad day for the president and for his son, but it s a bad day in a personal way, not really one about the administration and its policies. the president s policies aren t guns had been clear for a long time. he passed the assault weapons ban. but i just wanna go back to something we were at a minute ago with alyssa can you imagine a world where obama prosecutor, when after don junior, ivanka trump, while barak, while while donald trump was president he allowed that prosecutor to go after them, indict them, see them commit, can see them convicted, and then said he would not he would not pardon them. i can t imagine that world we all know. that s probably not the case. donald trump would i think we just lost, we just lost. that has a commitment to the rule of law that we just have never seen before. guard jamal standby, alyssa, the trump campaign statement reads in part, and i m quoting now, we read it this trial has been nothing more than a distraction from the real crimes of the biden crime family. is this verdict something the trump campaign can seize on politically? what do you think? so i actually see this totally different than jamal does. i actually think this could be a boon for biden. it s certainly doesn t help trump. and i think this sort of this statement afterwards spoke to the fact that if anything, it proves this point that the system is not weaponized, that donald trump s own conviction was legitimate 52% of americans approve of the conviction as many is 16% approve of the trump conviction so when you start dealing in those realities, electorally, knowing donald trump s name is on the ballot, not hunter biden s. i think they re realizing that this might undercut his biggest vulnerability, which is the fact that he is the first convicted felon to be running for president then 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new information right now about donald trump s interview with probation officials ahead of his sentencing and 34 felony counts our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller, has been working as sources for us and he has excellent sources. john, this concerns a gun in trump s possession, right? that s right. well, if yesterday when donald trump and todd blanche met with probation officials in new york to do the pre-sentence report they went to a number of questions about where do you live, where do you spend more time? new york or florida. things like that. and it came to your new york city pistol license is suspended. there s three guns on a two were turned over to the nypd where s the third gun and they were told there s a gun in florida so new york probation officials decided that they would reach out to authorities in florida to address that. now what that means technically is that since his conviction on felony charges in new york state on may 30, donald trump has been a felon in possession of a firearm now you don t have to have that firearm on you. it just has to be somewhere where you have what they call constructive possession, where you have access to it, whether it s locked away or not. but that would be a serious violation of not just a us federal law but also florida state law for a convicted felon now, let s set that aside for a minute authority say this is a complicated defendant he lives a complicated existence. he doesn t carry weapons, he s guarded by secret service but this is a detail that they want to resolve and make sure that that gun is accounted for all right. good reporting. thanks very much, john, for that report. let s discuss this and get some analysis from former federal prosecutor, at least adamson and cnn senior law enforcement analyst, charles ramsey alise, could trump s admission that he still holding onto this gun impact potentially his sentencing. it s coming up. what july 11, how soon does he have to turn this gun? well, that s a good question. well, if i think technically he should have already turned this gun in as was just reported donald trump was convicted of a felony. and so at this time, he would be considered a felon in possession of the firearm. now, new york has a very clear road map to how defendant needs to surrender their firearms post-conviction, it s a little bit different when we re talking about federally or other jurisdictions, when the conviction happened elsewhere however the by the letter of the law, once he is convicted, he can no longer be in possession. so it is odd to me at todd blanche would have sat there as he made this admission and not thought of this before the interview, we need more information when he says it s in florida, is it it is house. did he surrender it? where is it but assuming argue window, it s in mar-a-lago. that s a potential problem now, directly to your question as to whether or not it will impact sentencing. again, it s the facts and circumstances is the former president holding onto the firearm and just refusing to relinquish it. i think that would be a data point. the judge were merchan will take into consideration. but is this really just a case of figuring out how to surrender it or is he in the process of transferring ownership? all of those details will matter. come sentencing de chief ramsey, as you know, in new york officials said this information will be passed along to florida police to quote, and i m quoting now, take whatever steps are necessary if trump doesn t voluntarily return his gun what authorities do you believe have to step in well, you know, i think not at this has come to light that they ll work toward getting that gun. he s not supposed to be in possession of the gun. he is a convicted felon. but this is a situation where, you know, he s really living in two different places. i mean, he spends a lot of time in new york also in florida. the one gun is in florida now he had two others that he surrendered last year shortly after he was indicted so he s already given up two of the guns. this is the one that s outstanding i really find it hard to believe that they would not make every effort to try to turn that in as soon as possible, or leases trump potentially at risk of being criminally charged for illegally possessing a firearm yeah. so i don t think he is now, again technically, could they charged him perhaps if the circumstances are correct, if it is in mar-a-lago, if it is within his constructive possession, then yes. it s a very serious charge. they could charge him federally i just looked into it prior prior to speaking with you, it carries a term of a potential ten years in prison of slightly old statistic, but from 2021, the united states sentencing commission said 96.9% of defendants charged with that crime. were, were sentenced to prison. so very, very serious, risky, which is why i don t know why todd blanche would have not made sure that the gun was surrendered to authorities prior to the psi, but very unlikely because he s still in between the conviction and sentencing. and there isn t a clear legal requirement of when and how he surrenders the gun in florida. chief ramsey, your the former police chief here in washington, dc. former police commissioner in philadelphia, is trump getting more leeway, right now or is it standard for convicted felons to take time? to return their guns well, is that standard for convicted felons to take time to turn in a gun i m not aware of that occurring with any degree of frequency, but i do think that they will make some allowances to give him an opportunity to turn to gun in i d be surprised if that doesn t happen now, he is guarded as john miller said, by secret service 24 hours a day, seven days a week, he has a nice guy. he s got, but earth of his life, he ll have that kind of protection. and so there s a lot going on. this is unprecedented. we ve never had a homer president convicted of anything and so now this is just one of those things. it s very serious. i m not trying to make light of it, but i would doubt very seriously if this is going to be something that s going to go beyond a day or two before that gun is located, turned in chief ramsey. thanks very much. at least adamson. thanks to you as well. just ahead, the us supreme court back in the spotlight today. here, what two justices are heard saying in secret recordings. i m controversial topics the most anticipated moment of dyslexia and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president, one stage two very different visions for america s future that cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine life, i d cnn and streaming on max reading that and yeah, that s not good happen huge things happen happens be there with three, learn more at rnc.com with armor all little bit of this protects you from a lot of that armor all less work, more clean start your day with nature. the number one pharmacist 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declining trust from the american public. those tapes obtained by rolling stone magazine captured us supreme court justices are weighing in on political matters cnn s jessica schneider has more tonight, no comment from the supreme court after two of its most senior justices and one of their spouses are heard on secret recordings discussing sensitive topics people in this country we re leaving embedded, keep fighting to return our country to a place the bodley names. i agree with you justice samuel alito speaking to lauren windsor during a dinner last week, hosted by the supreme court historical society windsor, a liberal activist posing as a devout catholic when talking with the justice, where he also addresses the current the polarization of the country that we can go the polar if i it is a matter of like winning. i think you re probably right now one side or the other, one side or the other i don t know i mean, there can be a way of working our way of living together, please it s different because there are differences fundamental things that really can t it s not like what the difference. this society condemned the secret recordings, saying attendees are advised not to discuss anything from the event windsor defended her actions today in an interview with cnn there s nothing illegal in dc about recording people so long as one person is a party to that conversation to people who want to pearl-clutchers about this yeah. please tell me how we re going to get answers when the supreme court has been shrouded in secrecy and really just refusing any degree of accountability whatsoever cnn has not independently obtained or heard the recordings in full, but they come after recent an ethics concerns involving the court, including controversial flags flown at homes of justice alito, flags at the justice said, were put up by his wife martha-ann alito, also heard on the audio where she addressed the flag controversy head-on you know what i want i want sacred heart of jesus glad because i had to look across the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. and he s like please don t put up a flag. i said i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense, i m putting it up and i m going to send them a message every day, maybe every week. i ll be changing the flags. windsor also secretly recorded chief justice john roberts, who rebuffed her when she made a case for a more christian society we live in a christian nation and they are supreme court. so be guided know that we live in a christian nation. i know a lot of jewish and muslim hello, friends who would say maybe not. and it s not our job to do that job, the decide cases, especially and so far no comment on these secret recordings from the supreme court or from the job justices are from justice alito s wife. now the supreme court historical society, they hosted this dinner where the recordings were made. this is a yearly event and it s held inside in the court building. were members of the society are allowed to buy tickets for themselves. and one guest. and then of course, the gathering provides members this rare access to the justices as we saw in these secret recordings, wolf, it ll be interesting to see if any of their rules change after this secret recording. yes, it will. let s see if that happens. jessica schneider. thank you very much. i want to discuss this with our cnn legal analyst, steve vladeck. he s a professor at the university texas school of law. steve, do you see these comments from justice alito specifically as inappropriate? and is it reasonable to question his impartiality wolfe, i think what i m struck by in those recordings is the contrast between justice alito who, you know, for better, for worse, took the bait and who had no problem expressing views on subjects that you probably shouldn t have versus what we heard from chief justice roberts, which is basically what they teach in judge school, ought to be the answer when judges are asked to weigh in on contemporary political debates so i think justice alito is remarks are probably right up, if not over the line, wolf, the problem is putting them in context where this is not a one-off, where we re seeing so many examples of justice alito saying things like this in public suggested that he has very strong political views now he s having a hard time checking those at the door. well, if i think it s the aggregation of all of these public statements by justice alito. that s really the source of the cause for concern. because you know steve, this is the second controversy involving a martha-ann alito ginni thomas, also has faced questions about her political activities. so how does that impact perceptions of the us supreme court? yeah. i mean, i think there s no question that it has some bearing on public perception of the court. i mean, we really ought not to be judged by the actions of our spouses that certainly my wife s position about me but i do think it s worth stressing that the real question here is not can justice x participate in case why? the real question is, are the justices behaving in a way that is enhanced in public faith in the integrity of the court as an institution or not. and so for as much as justice alito has tried to suggest that the entire flag controversy are basically his wife s fault. i think his responses have not suggested that he is especially concerned about the message that the flag sent. his responses at the supreme court historical society suggest that he s not particularly concerned about being publicly associated with deeply, intensely divisive political comments and so wolfe, i think again, the question is whether if you look at this as a whole, there s reason to worry, not about individual justices in individual cases, but about whether there are justices on the supreme court who really do cede part of their job as picking a side and who are caring about when winning versus what we heard from chief justice this is robert, which is their job is to basically toe the line politically and decide the cases before them. we don t expect the justices to be saints, but we do expect them to at least appear publicly as if they are completely uninvestigated. and i think that s the concern that all of this behavior by justice alito by justice thomas, by their spouses is really brings us back to steve vladeck. thanks for your legal analysis. appreciate it very much. coming up newly on earth messages from the leader of hamas reportedly showing my, he thinks deaths of palestinians will help the terror groups war with israel will have a live report from the region just ahead june 19th, cnn celebrate juneteenth with special performances by john legend how do you lewbel, smokey robinson. we still have a lot of work to do. june celebrating freedom and legacy. wednesday, june 19 at ten on cnn. kate made progress with her mental health, but her medication caused unintentional movements in her 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prime minister benjamin netanyahu reaffirmed his commitment to the current deal on the table that was detailed in speech 11 days ago by president biden the pressure now increasingly on one man alone who started this war and could end it. yahya sinwar, the military leader of hamas. sinwar helped mastermind the horrific october 7 attacks and is suspected be hiding out in the tunnels under gaza exactly where is unknown our frehse reports out today from the wall street journal details messages between sinwar and hamas officials participating in the ceasefire talks in doha. the exchanges show that the terrorist leader thinks he may have the upper hand in the current negotiations. quote, we have the israelis, right where we want them. sinwar allegedly said in recent messages, these stunning messages which cnn cannot independently verify, reveal his frame of mind as this war drags into its ninth month with the palestinian death toll climbing sinwar row quote, these are necessary sacrifices, and this is why us officials believe sinwar has had little incentive to broker a deal, not only with israel refuse to stop fighting, but the pressure we ll continue to mount on israel daily, which sinwar believes is to his benefit the israeli military responded to these messages saying, quote, hamas leaders don t care about gazans. how many times did they have to say it for themselves before the world believes them? and as blinken continues to push for a deal that could eventually end the war, he took game let s sinwar, are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe varied i don t know ten stories underground somewhere in gaza. while the people but he purports to represent continue to suffer in a crossfire of his own making or will he do what s necessary to actually move this to a better place? now the early response from israel, wolf is not setting a tone of positive momentum here according to cnn contributor barak ravid and israeli official characterize that response coming 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attorney general, merrick garland is out with a new opinion piece in the washington post defending the us justice department from republican good attacks. and it reads in part, and i m quoting using conspiracy theories, falsehoods violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal. the short-term political benefits of those tactics will never make up for the long-term cost to our country. close quote. let s discuss this in more democratic congressman ro khanna of california. contrary, thanks for joining us. the attorney general s your heard us taking a rare step to publicly defend the us justice department, but does that potentially approach does that approach come with some risks i think guesses growling attorney general garland is a patriot i mean, he was a judge. he s devoted his life to public service. he started out at the justice department. he s standing up for the civil servants. most of the people at the justice department are not political appointees. and he s saying, let s administer the rule of law fairly. don t attack them on another issue of hunter biden s felony gun conviction today, you sit on the house oversight committee shortly after the verdict, your committee chairman james comer, said, and i m quoting him now until the department of justice investigates, everyone involved in the bidens corrupt influence, peddling schemes. it will be clear department carpenter officials continue to cover for the big guy, joe biden. how do you respond to the committee chairman it said that he s politicizing this look, the verdict is very sad. under biden faced addiction, he overcame addiction and the president has said that he respects the process, but this had nothing to do. with what comer is investigation was about that covered no wrongdoing. and i think most americans will say, we know someone who suffered addiction. we understand that and it s just a sad situation. you think hunter biden s conviction, congressman, will have any political impact on the president no. other than showing the american people that a, he follows the rule of law. you haven t heard him criticized the judge. you haven t heard him criticize the jury and be his loving father, and that he really cares respects then myers, a son who s overcome addiction, went through incredible grief at the loss of his brother and he s a decent father. let me quickly turned while i have you congressmen to the israel-hamas war the us back ceasefire plan appears to be in turmoil right now, is mediators are parsing through hamas is response and push for prime minister netanyahu to publicly sign-on what we re leverage does the us have to get each side closer to accepting a deal? well, the united states i think has laid out a very reasonable pragmatic position on a permanent ceasefire, one that i wholeheartedly support. i hope hamas, accepts it even if sin, sinwar is an accepting and maybe the other hamas leadership will accept it. it s going to save pelosi allies and i hope netanyahu accepts it because it is the only way to get the hostages out. and it s the only way to start to bring peace in that region and have new governance and palestine with the saudis, uae, jordan, and egypt. the president has been right and putting this fall forward and i hope secretary blinken will prevail on both hamas and israel we shall see congressman ro khanna. thank you so much for joining us and we ll be right back. alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised, secrets and spies. a nuclear games sunday at ten on cnn. you give, and you give. now you get with straight talk wireless, you get unlimited data and you get to choose who gets on your family plans starting at just $25 a line, doesn t have to be family more leinz more savings switch to straight talk for plants starting as low as $25 a line kinda riva support your brain health. mary janet, hey edey know, fraser, franck, 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marc board in washington and this is cnn newly revealed comments by donald trump are thrusting pop star taylor swift back into the political spotlight and raising some eyebrows about his focus on her appearance, seen as brian thomas on the story for us, brian, the former president seems to be a fan of taylor swift, but not necessary clearly, over politics, right? well, the foreign president says he believes taylor swift is liberal and that she probably doesn t like him. aside from that, he s a few sieve in his praise of the pop star, especially her physical appearance she s captured the heart of kansas city chiefs star tight end travis kelce, and the attention of the former president of the united states in november interview for an upcoming book, excerpts of which are published in variety. donald trump was asked his thoughts about pop superstar taylor swift trump gushed saying quote, i think she s beautiful, very beautiful. i find her very beautiful trump then digressed saying, i think she s liberal. she probably doesn t like trump, but then he went back to talking about swift s appearance, quote, i think she s very beautiful, actually unusually beautiful. these are very donald trump quo, you know, he obviously he doesn t know much about taylor swift. so it s easy for him just to turn and look at her looks and comment on what she looks like one democratic strategist says, this could be a case of trump trying to get on the good side of the wildly popular singer. i think that he doesn t want to accept this 50s. i think we all know what happens when that when we awake a giant of the swifties, this comes as many in the political sphere are wondering, will swift endorsed joe biden as she did in 2024 years, analysts say swift was reluctant to get into polish her dad was really scared for her to step into the political arena because we know that comes with a lot of backlash no matter which sayyed your on in 2018, swift finally jumped in endorsing to democratic congressional candidates in tennessee, where she owns property hoping that i know is right. and you hey guys i need to be on the right side of history in a netflix documentary about her swift is captured in an argument with her father about getting involved in politics. she was critical of republican marsha blackburn, who ended up winning that senate race in tennessee she votes against against fair pay for women. she votes against the re-authorization of the violence against women act, which is just basically protecting us for domestic abuse. using stocking stocking, political analysts say both trump and biden need to cultivate the taylor swift voting demographic. this is one of the more popular entertainers musicians, and the world right now and it comes at a time where both candidates are also fighting for that younger vote for the younger generation some trump s supporters may already be skeptical of taylor swift and her politics in january pro-trump broadcasters and politicians put out conspiracy theories implying that the nfl had rig games and favor of the kansas city chiefs to promote swift and travis kelce and give them a platform to endorse president biden, none of which, of course, was even remotely close to being true wealth. how instrumental has taylor swift been in getting out the vote? this is why the biden and trump campaigns both want her on their side, wolf last year in september, she put out a message on instagram asking young people to register to vote according to tracking agencies. as a result of that in just one day, about 35,000 people registered to vote. that s how much sway she has especially among younger voters, turn biden both desperate for that demographic. vy