the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways back as we sometimes do. when allied soldiers came ashore on the coast of france on the beaches of normandy for the d-day invasion, they opened up a new western front against the nazis in europe. and that of course was a shock to the germans. the operation overlord, the d-day invasion, it relied on the element of surprise. and the germans really were shocked. they had been occupying france for four years at that point. they the installed a collaborationest regime that they assembled from pro-fascist and pro-nazi forces inside france, so the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazi rule and the collaborationists, but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. they were actually heading into year five of being in charge. they were really settled in, in france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion. hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions of allied troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs of the northwest of france. and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d-day invasion, the allied invasion, started on june 6th. now, on this date, on june 10th, 1944, just four days into the d-day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been, of course, shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it, they now realized the scale of what they were up against and had started scrambling their units from all over france, turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi ss panzer division that had been in the south of franz. that division was ordered to essentially traverse the whole length of the country, head north to where the allies were advancing from the beaches of normandy. and on their way north through france, toward the new allied front lines, the new western front, this panzer division stopped in a village called oradour. pro-nazi french collaborators had told them, they told this panzer unit that the french resistance was active in this town. and they told them that the french resistance in that town had killed a nazi officer. and in response, that panzer unit decided, yes, they were on their way to the north of france to join the new western front and the, you know, the battle for the whole war, to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion, but they decided on their way there, they would stop and do something in oradour. they would destroy that entire village and everyone in it. that panzer unit rounded up every single man, woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up random people who didn t live in the village but were nearby or who had the misfortune to be passing through the village when this nazi unit made this decision. that nazi unit killed every human being in oradour. or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians. a vast majority of them women and children. they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village, and then they tore down the village as best they could. they razed it. oradour. this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war that they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war, as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what oradour looks like literally today, because this morning, the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at oradour to commemorate what they call the martyrdom of that village, to remember what happened in europe, in france, under fascist occupation. now, this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited oradour. actually, ten days before he was first elected president, he went there. he visited the village just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last living survivor of that massacre. i said the nazis killed everyone in the village, at least everyone they could find. the nazis did kill over 600 civilians that day, but there were about half a dozen people from the village who, against all odds, in a miracle managed by hook or by crook to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to oradour in 2017. that last survivor has since died. but today, macron went back to the site, to show this place, to germany s president. now, in 1944, about six months after oradour happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d-day invasion, they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east, for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d-day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis everywhere. not only liberating france, they clearly intend to liberate everywhere the nazis have taken over. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows that his military is on the ropes. it cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. and so about six months after d-day, about six months after oradour, hitler decides he s going to mount a surprise of his own. he decides he s going to mount a huge german counteroffensive in belgium against the allies. the allies are basically closing in on germany s own borders and when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counteroffensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had it in them. everybody thought not everybody, but a lot of people thought the war was going to be over by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 400,000, 500,000 men to mount this new counteroffensive, but they did. that german counteroffensive started in mid-december 1944. it began a six-week-long battle that would be the single deadliest battle of the entire war for the u.s. military. aside from just the brutal toll of that battle, that was the battle of the bulge, that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another german panzer unit much like the one that killed the entire population of that french village. it was an ss panzer unit in belgium. and they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counteroffensive, they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. and the result of it was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war, unarmed american p.o.w.s. and these p.o.w.s, again, they had surrendered. they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans in a field, the americans have no weapons. they have surrendered. they have their hands above their heads. they re p.o.w.s, but the nazis just massacred them in the field, they mowed them down with machine gun fire. and like at that village of oradour, what is almost as unbelievable as what the nazis did there was the fact there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up in that field, who nevertheless lived. american gis who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades, who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this, but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to those men giving testimony about what they saw. about what they survived, about what happened to their platoon mates, to the other men in that battalion. the other p.o.w.s who were massacred by those nazis. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block the american soldiers who survived that massacre from giving testimony about it in congress. he said the american people shouldn t hear it. he said it would be inflammatory. it would inflame the public against the nazis who killed all of those unarmed american p.o.w.s. i find it absolutely insane to think about, but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepentant leftover nazis in germany after the war. they were trying to make the allies and america in particular the bad guys from world war ii and maybe that is understandable when you think about unrepentant nazis who just lost the war, but you would not believe it, the thing that s amazing is not that there were leftover nazis who were trying to do this. the thing you wouldn t believe is they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that p.o.w. massacre and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause celebre in the right wing press at the time. and it helped launch the national career, the rocketship ascendance of arguably the most radical and controversial figure in republican electoral politics in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters, darker than what seems possible for something in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him, while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency, and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics look so much like what you re seeing in the american press today about the fear of a second trump term, you wouldn t believe that it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time, the people who stood up against him mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually, ultimately, it stopped happening. and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons. number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast, rachel maddow presents ultra, now has a season two, and it is out today. episode one is out today. you can get it anywhere you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcasts, if you take out your phone right now, open the camera on your phone, and point it at that weird looking little circular square thing on your screen, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of this all together. episode one is out today. i hope you may want to listen. i have been working really hard on it. i m really proud of it, but i hope you like it. i hope you ll check it out. that s one of the easons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story, i have been working in general on stories about other times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted really radical people with really radical designs to undo the fundamental things that make us who we are as a country who nevertheless get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before. and the reason i have been working on this for the past couple years, the reason i have been working on these projects is because for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast, for me, there is a real urgency to learn these stories now. from when we have contended with terrible challenges before, particularly when we re talking about powerful americans advocating for authoritarianism or just flat out embodying it. particularly when it s about selling factually unhinged conspiratorial lies to the american public and half the public is mortified, mystified by that, but the other half of the public is super energized by it and they not only believe these lies, they kind of become their whole new reason to live. the public gets bifurcated like that into earth one and earth two where some people are based in the reality based community and some people are based in a different place, and that place is emotionally satisfying to them, and radicalizing them, and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant on the american right, but we have lived through it before. and i feel like i m racing to learn these stories about americans who have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff, and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things, but knowing the track record of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian and anti-democratic forces knowing who else has tried it and what s happened to them is helpful for us calibrating our available responses now. and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i have been working on this, and that is why that story is on my mind tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean, one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of oradour today in france is that they took that tour of the ruins of that village today, that preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe, they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large proportions of the vote in the european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries, the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist participaties of world war ii era germany and france, they both have current ties, including financial ties, to vladimir putin and russia. when president biden and president macron of france met in france these past few days for the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden said that he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets in the g-7 countries and use those seized russian assets to provide even more support to ukraine. as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d-day commemoration ceremonies and from those meetings with president macron. he s just back but heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g-sev summit, among other things to rally the other nations to support this new plan, to support ukraine as much as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and, you know, in the american aperture here, what s going on in our politics while president biden is trying to, you know, rally the free world, trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more, here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d-day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies altogether. that we should break up the big western alliance, that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress, a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she s therefore she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her. 46 republicans voted for this thing. a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world, forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d-day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why, the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean, on its face, it seems unlikely they would have such sway. every few days we get a new mugshot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidate s personal lawyer, who has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment, rudy giuliani s mugshot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all of the other maga republican mugshots we have accrued over the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with the probation office in new york ahead of his sentences. people at his rallies not only wear tshirts and fly flags that have his mugshot on them, they started carrying signs and wearing shirts that now say they re proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his supporters who physically attacked congress and injured dozens of police officers, he described them in a speech this weekend as, quote, warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capitol, those two police officers were jeered and booed by republicans in the pennsylvania state legislature. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who survived that attack, they were literally injured fighting for their country, defending our seat of government against a violent attack. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out, they want the attackers freed. and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses. you want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i have been working on all these projects. that s why i ve got this new podcast out and i hope you listen. but it s not just the distant past. in the very recent past when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place, you might remember what preceded that shock election result here in the united states in 2016. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was preceded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote in britain which happened just months before trump s surprise presidential victory here. i asked ben rhodes to please join us here tonight in the wake of what is now, again, another round of what seemed to be surprisingly right wing election results in europe this weekend. was it right in 2016 to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was coming for us in the fall of 2016? as president biden balances his campaign responsibilities right now with back-to-back trips to europe, he just got back from europe, he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend, have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get? president biden clearly sees our connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the future of the world. does what s going on in european politics right now tell us something to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s former deputy national security adviser to president obama, cohost of the pod save the world podcast. really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me ask you for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend, let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they re important for us to pay attention to? and can you just give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections? sure. these were elections for the european parliament. so the european union wide parliament, so the only election that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. the two headlines are the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe, france and germany. in france, the national front party, the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in this election and to build on what you re saying, this is a party that is not only far right, they have ties to russia. they have gotten a $10 million loan from russia in the past decade. in germany, the afd party, which has ties that go back into the kind of neonazi past of germany, they got over 15% of the vote, not a huge total, but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear, in other parts of europe, the center did hold. i think the real concerning factor is in the two most important countries, france and germany, we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 and see some of what was going on in politics in europe as a harbinger for the shock election result we got in the fall of 2016 when trump won? do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pike for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality between the brexit vote, the vote by the uk to leave the european union in 2016 and the trump election was that it was a it was a surprise. people did not think brexit was going to win the campaign and they campaigned on a kind of right wing populist message. the slogan was take back control. they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message, frankly. it kind of foreshadowed what we ended up dealing with in the fall here. i think the warning in this election, and you ask mead a question when i came on to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world, you asked what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this one is that their incumbent parties in germany and france that have defended essentially the status quo, emmanuel macron has been a defender of the european union. olaf scholz has been a defender of the liberal order. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties, these populist insurgents be being the defenderoffs the stat status quo, but you have to tap into people s dissatisfaction with globalization, dissatisfaction with inequality. sense that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say we re the responsible adults here. you have to kind of get down and have a different message for how things are going to change. i think that s the warning sign that joe biden should hear, not enough to run on status quo here. not enough to defend even the things we think are very important. you have to meet people where they are, and people are frustrated. ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama. ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re almost always one of the first people i think of. thank you for being here. thanks, rachel. i can t wait to check out the podcast. i appreciate it. thank you. we have much more ahead here tonight. do stay with us. shop etsy for thoughtful pieces made by real people to bring a little something extra to the ordinary. find items that add wow to walls and make you fall in love with your family room again. when you want one-of-a-kind pieces to refresh your home. etsy has it. sometimes your work shirt needs to be for more than just work. like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, 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you want every election denying republican county elections board member in georgia just making it up as they go along, calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month, one of its republican members was ousted, after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course, the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year, given georgia s swing state status that absolutely could be a deciding factor in how the election is going to go down. what is happening there? 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so one of the most alarming ones that a source who has discussed this issue with trump told us, a republican attorney, is they re planning to challenge the election result regardless of the result. you know, we think of the threat to elections from trump s behavior in 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. you know, at the current state of polling, trump is ahead in georgia, if you believe the polling, but what republican attorney who discussed this with trump told us is that, quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed, air quotes around cheating. and the plan is to challenge the result regardless of the outcome. and the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delegitimization of the election process. it s heads, i win, tails you lose. and i think you had mentioned this a little bit in your intro, is that one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary. because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute, which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those kinds of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. essentially you re taking someone who is, you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and, you know, assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think, importantly, that georgia s a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played the sound of one democratic member of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting raffensperger. is this fight joint where there is pushback against what they re doing or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit? you know, they definitely have quite a built-in advantage. and i think that s why georgia relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the soul of the republican party. particularly when it comes to their faith in free and fair elections. and yeah, even folks like brian kemp, who was an absolute obstacle to trump s attempt to, you know, illegally overturn the election in georgia, brian kemp signed sb-202, a law that allows for a range of, you know, sort of procedural chicanery. joe biden called it jim crow in the 21st century. you know, even folks who have proven themselves to be obstacles to some of the more overt aspects of it sometimes will just go along to get along. and so they definitely do have an advantage. and they are running the table in certain ways, but you do see folks like you mentioned earlier, like ed lindsay, whose resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that, you still do have these kind of principled republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but as you saw with the case of ed, you know, he had to resign under a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but from the grassroots of the party who believe in a lot of election conspiracies. yeah, the bare fact that a presidential candidate is personally lobbying to remove individual state elections board members ought to be on the front page of every paper of the country. been reported by adam, reporter at rolling stone. adam, the by-line reporters on the piece, georgia is our laboratory, thank you for helping us understand this. love to have you back. thanks so much for having me, rachel. i appreciate it. we ll be right back. stay with us. time stops. 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ag from billings montana, i thought we were supposed to swim away from the shark know we have to punch the shark, which one isn t? you punch firstly is a way. i m telling you an expert told me that s the way to get out alive. start from oceanside california, if biden refuses to leave the white house its because you can t find his way out. maybe he doesn t know if he loses. k. from tester, virginia, biden will be in the beach peat-mac it s joe who will lead the white house. all, joe. doctor biden, accused me. always remember, i am watters, and this is my wo world. sean: welcome to hannity and tonight here are those six words in the english language that every every democrat loves to recite, no one is above the law. not even turn on fake new cnn, msdnc,, you will hear that phrase a lot, but only when you talk about trump or other republicans. when someone on the left commits a crime, that s a very different story. for example, over the weekend, you had rioters dressed up as islamic extremists by delighting historic monuments. c., resulting law enforcement, drilling project out of the park ranger, no consequences. it looks like they they were trying to have an insurrection peat-mac there were no arrests, no fines, no dramatic leaves on the left for anyone to be equitable peat-mac will have a full report and more video at this weekend s disgusting right along with a message for those who were mad at israel for successfully and quite heroically for wing four hostages in gaza. and another message from fake new cnn which seem to think that israeli hostages were simply released. know they were rescued. but first we turn our attention to some of the most shameless and morally corrupt people in america that would be there biden s. many in the mob of the media they like to point out that hunter biden s ongoing trial is an end like example that even if biden conveys justice but in reality hunter s trial is but a perfect example of the links your government will goes to allegedly to protect the son of a prominent democrat. know according to the very real contents of hundred s very real laptop the president s and engaged in a life or crime for many years, you the evidence seems transparent win were running but you decide. he was on a massive scale that remember the fallout of the 2020, 51 intel expert signing off on a letter claiming the laptop had all the hallmarks of russian disinformation? this after three years of lies being cuddled over and over again, the russia hoax by the media mob got all of the salajko all of it based on a dirty dossier pallet rca becomes the basis of lying to fisa courts four separate times. two of them signed by mr higher james guo me. in reality that the so-called experts were spreading this information. all they knew about the laptop was nothing remotely only knew they wanted joe biden to win. you think had apologized? don t hold your breath. know that the laptop is official evidence at hunter s gun trail, fox news digital reached out to the all 51 intel experts that sign on the letter and most had no regrets at all whatsoever for my they got what they wanted. the hell joe biden get the election in 2020. so even claiming that it was the patriotic thing to do. a means to an end. anyway of course joe biden is no president. the evidence of the alleged wrongdoing on that laptop is shocking and murky have rampant drug use, hundreds of thousands of dollars seemingly, i can say for su sure, spent on soliciting sex, purported tax evasion on millions of dollars in income that needs to be invest investigated. refusing to even file tax returns in certain years. along with the possibility that it should be investigated, of money laundering possibility of tied to his own father. many americans can rightly sympathize sure with his addictions and personal struggles but not the millions of in millions and millions made with businesses and mitch he admits he had zero experience at all or the shady actions of his father s department of justice, which is politicized and when the size weaponize. according to the new york times that the orgy prosecutor was gavin white remember he s going to sleep the whole thing plan a under the rug, no charges at all after purposely letting the statute of limitations run out on some of the more serious on to plan b mack that was that because the judge actually read the plea deal have started asking real questions about the totally completely unprecedented nature of the deal. and i were on to plan c. well after years of investigating, let s make this guy the special prosecutor in delaware in a courthouse there and hope for the best. the jury is of has officially begun the deliberations, you know, any outcome would surprise me including outright acquittal or a hung jury but they ll decide if hunter is guilty on the three felony charges. out miraculous hunter of lying on an atf form when purchasing a gun contrary that he was not addicted to drugs. as we alleges that hunter illegally possessed the gun while addicted to drugs were actively using drugs. the evidence seems to me overwhelming based on evidence from the trial, one day after binder can hunter texted his girlfriend, he was waiting for his dealer and the next day hunter texted his girlfriend, he smoking crack so let s be clear, these allegations are not a joke. joe biden of his fellow democrats d. love to lecture you about gun control in fact president biden is now proposing tighter regulations surrounding lawful gun ownership and steep penalties for anyone who dares to step out of line? and his own son is on trial but gun crimes. but if this is the only child that hunter! this will only prove that biden s the orgy as we have been telling you is politicized and weaponize. the judge instructed the jury to ignore hunter s prior to the first family but let s be clear that it s because of those ties that hunter now is only facing gun charges in the biden friendly menu of delaware. he is not getting the normal drug treatment like trump got in new york with the valuation of mar-a-lago at a mere $18 million in a case that involves valuations. the judge in a civil trial was more guilty of valuations fraud then anything the accused donald trump of. and, of course, we have the case of alvin bragg, misdemeanor statute of limitations expired charge to a felony population parameter don t even tell trump what you re charging him with. you know, more impotently about that biden bidens, whited foreign oligarchs, whether they pay hunter biden millions of millions of dollars according to the johnson grass lease in that report? what service was he capable of providing if he was admittedly addicted to drugs at the time? know if he was lobbying on behalf of a foreign entity, why didn t he register with far argument isn t required by law? invited hunter and the entire biden family use over 20 shell corporations according to the house oversight committee with those echoes actually used to follow foreign funds to different members of the family? interesting questions, right? the big i financially benefit from hunter s foreign deals and anywhere? according to the laptop that apparently is very real while the big i had 10% put aside for him and hunter complaints bitterly about giving her fist and complain about paying for tops. [applause] home report everyone of you watching this show about meeting with his son s business associates a crew member has enjoyed it and over he never one time ever spoke to his son come brother or anybody about this foreign business deals. devon archer says that he recalls joe biden calling to at least 20 meetings hunter and his foreign business partners. and what about marissa mark? the ukrainian energy giants mark hunter admits no experience in oil, gas, gaheer gran willy goes on good morning america but then gets paid millions to set on that company s board? and then joey might recall, bragged about leveraging a billion of your dollars to get the ukrainian prosecutor investigating this company and his son fired? brags about getting it all done within six ours. the result of that firing? hunter continues to get paid for zero experience of the remainder chinese energy conglomerate see will take seaver for another day. ethicacy hunter s gun trail is really just the tip of the iceberg. rightly i would call it low hanging fruit when it comes to hunter. and just below the surface, it s not a pretty picture. and make no mistake. where family can ostracize their own 5-year-old granddaughter and ignore her existence until shamed by moreno at the new york times and the never even follow-up to talk to her, meet with her, include her, it s safe to assume the worst. of course, everyone including hunter other innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, right? so tonight we continue to await the verdict at a delaware out of delaware, not exactly unfairly menu for biden. you re reaction be a fox news conservator jonathan mack let s get your take on the case as an outside observer following it closely as you ve got i felt the evidence was overwhelming incontrovertible that i thought actually i was actually pretty impressed with the prosecution in this case indicates that eventually did put on but only because they were forced to. the prosecution did an admirable job. they were right on the very in a very tight case. was most impressive is that a below the defense council put up a series of differences that collapse within two days. particular this methodically destroyed all of these cla claims. and in the normal case that jury would ve been out for an hour and come back with a conviction. i mean this is very obviously in a fence that was comm committed. but that is not what the real difference is. i mean as implausible as these arguments are there really placeholders. the defense is playing to a delaware jury. this is biden town. this is wilmington. this is where the home of the biden family resides. and i think they re looking for jury nullification. and to add to that there s a certain degree of sympathy for someone who had a tragic fight with drug addiction. so we will see what happens tomorrow. there s no question in my view that the government struck the landing you re. the approve the case. the question is whether they can get the jury consider the evidence and not just who the defendant is. sean: what do you think the most and i do respect abby as an attorney. i think the one thing hunter has going for him is abby abbe lowell and i would argue there are not many great attorneys and dc but he is a good attorney for sure. and i thought you did as effective a job as he could considering the hand that he was dealt with was awful. with that said, do you think he was able to cast doubt in any area that sticks out in your mind? no. you know, the argument that was made by him starting out was leaving someone else check the box back and they brought this mr cleveland forward who doesn t do that out of the water and said i stood there, watch him check that box and the other boxes and pulling to take his time which he did the emma keenan said while he was really sort of bum rushed into buying a gun and cleveland said no, he came in intending to buy a gun. and then there was this ludicrous argument that he had this sort of immaculate sobriety are at least he was just drinking, not using drugs, and the government destroyed it and it showed it catch the very next day were you trying to meet mookie to score more drugs today after that passing that he is doing crack in a car. any he had with the system forward to say that when they saw him do crack, he was doing it every 20 minutes. so live these things survived within two days. but again sean: i apologize, i thought you were finished. you agree with me that the real important issues that people should be concerned about and this is a serious issue of the crime aspects and charging him he here. but i think the more serious issue involves how much money that hunter was making without experience at a time he s addicted to drugs, seemingly offering those services that we can identify as of now. that is exactly right. you know, what s amazing about this case is that it blew away their own defense that the media has been repeating for years that they ve been noticing that hunter biden really was this incredibly competent in demand businessman and international experts. in his book and in this trial is clear that he was addicted to having a vertical time managing the most basic parts of his life. but he was getting millions from his companies. yeah. sean: jonathan turley, professor, think you for joining us, fox news legal analyst, harvard law professor, alan dershowitz, professor you actually on a satellite tonight. i don t have you on your little, you know, zoom thing. it s great to see you little bit clearly comak will start with you tonight. accurate to your take on the case and you agree with the last question asked professor turley which is about, you know, this is low hanging fruit as far as i m concerned considering the millions and millions of dollars that they brought into this family at a time he s addicted to drugs and, you know, with no experience admittedly an interview on good nourishment good morning america? the best thing they could possibly happen to donald trump is if hunter biden gets acquitted. because the evidence against hunter biden is so much more compelling of the legal issues which were compelling than anything against donald trump and it will prove beyond any doubt that this is all about where the trial was conducted at that if your trump in you tried in new york is automatic guilt and if you re biting and you tried in delaware, it s a different bird. to the best thing you could possibly happen to donald trump is the acquittal of the biden base in all the. would also be a good thing for america. it would uncover and disclose the horrible double standard that our criminal justice system is going through. maybe we can get some reform. maybe we can do something about it. right now our criminal justice system is the laughingstock of the world and i feel you re so horrible about it. i ve been with able to 60 years of my life to try to defend and explain the legal system based on neutral principles that legal system is gone. the trump case destroyed it. and if there were an acquittal in this case, at least it will expose that. know there maybe a condition in this case but is often it is so overwhelming that won t hurt donald trump payment but if there were an acquittal it would help donald trump and were mostly in the court of public opinion, nobody would believe that the new york there s an acquittal in this case. sean: is such a difference in terms of the venue. it seems that if you want equal justice and equal application of our laws and the one constitutional order, it s all going to depend on the value of it all going to depend on whether are politicize and organize the prosecutor may be and how abusively bias a judge can b be. yeah, as a hole and the notion comes to is additionally of impartial jury. but here, the facts are so simple. the law is clear, the evidence of guilt overwhelming other events argument that hunter was in denial about his addictions. so there is some that is so absurd. but look if hometown jury is already in your back pocket then jonathan is right, sympathy injury notification might actually work. and it doesn t matter that jurors are not allowed to negate the law. they do it anyway sometimes because secrecy of deliberations protects them. they can do as they please without consequence. but having said that, prosecutors to have an advantage. it would have to prove that hunter was high on drugs or addicted on the day he brought the gun, only during the general time frame and that was proven conclusively threw text messages, photographs, witnesses, his own words from the book he wrote their mark hunter it turns out was the best witness against hunter, which is precisely why he chose not to testify, he would ve been completely shredded on cross-examination. sean: predictions, professor dershowitz. i think the evidence is so overwhelming, there could be a conviction. but i wouldn t be surprised if we saw jury notification. remember calgary litigation cuts both ways. would have been in new york when jury notification. the jury found that innocent person who committed no crime whatsoever guilty because of the judges instruction and because the prosecutor made up case. that when jury notification with judge nullification. this could very well be a case of jury notification as well. sean: prediction, gregg jarrett. this has been a no-nonsense, honest judge that federal judge. huge difference between this judge and train one. in the jurors follow their duty as they must there will be a conviction. sean: all right. no outcome, of the guilty verdict up acquittal, hung jury, nothing will surprise me or. but we will see. thank you all. appreciated. when we come back, things are so bad, i mean, so bad for democrats, you ve got prominent democrats and even a prominent election forecaster 40 the idea that biden should drop out of the race, our friend james carville is using his mind. got players on him and much more as hannity continues. erogast thanks to a unique combination of herbs, iberogast helps relieve six digestive symptoms to help you feel better. six digestive symptoms. the power of nature. iberogast. 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(kev) . i guess we re movin . we ve always loved taking care of our home, from the gardening to any repairs that come up. but last year, grandpa here broke his arm. snowboarding. snowshoeing. anyway, he was fine, but it takes longer to heal now. and we prefer to stay active. we realized some home maintenance jobs aren t worth the risk. that s when we called leaffilter to protect our gutters. leaffilter s patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good. guaranteed. they gave us a free inspection, and we got our system installed that week. our leaffilter trusted pros will clean out your gutters, repair or replace your gutters, and install leaffilter, america s #1 gutter protection system. honestly, my only regret is not calling sooner. it s true, leaffilter has saved us so much time and the peace of mind. now we can focus on what we really enjoy. join millions of satisfied homeowners. get leaffilter. call 833 leaffilter today, or visit leaffilter.com sean: with your president joe and his struggles mounting in this environment until election day hundred 47 days and can t democrats are sounding the alarm yesterday james carville once again saying you does not think that biden should have ever run again. take a look. we have it is in a choice that i was crazy about. actually was very public that i thought that president biden should not run for reelection. but the lack of enthusiasm among young people from public-policy or public service of being! being involved in the public square is quite disheartening and i can understand it on one level. i ve talked to them and if you like things are not working for them, they feel like 280-year-old guys don t mean much to them. and i m really afraid we re going to lose our generation of young people. sean: democrats sea losing the core coalition of real in people, african-americans of historic earlier today election forecaster nate silver echo his comment seeing democrats maybe would ve been better off if biden had stepped do down. yesterday than your times even publishing a peace highlighting biden s long list of bizarre lives including his claim that he used to drive an 18 wheeler that he was the first in his family to go to college after his uncle was eaten by cannibals. he received an appointment with the naval academy from his future senate opponents mckee got involved with the civil rights movement at the age of 15. we know that ally mckee was arrested on the front porch with a black family during disintegration at a local neighborhood and that he never earned 400,000 dollars in a year. will of course the new york times at various points they kind of downplayed these blatant lies as hyperbole or exaggeration and those are the ones they included. that only the tip of the iceberg. take a look at your screen because were scrolling more land has told over the years. by the way the new york times who are you are very welcome to use our former comprehensive list of joe biden lies if you ever decide to abandon your corrupt and abusive bias and by the way that you can even give me attribution. and joe did partner with that friend of his that mentor of his complex right california klansman robert kkk bird stop busting in the immigration of public schools. remember julie said he didn t want public schools to become racial jungles. they might want to cover that too. there is biden s struggles continued to mount, trump is not slowing down at all. is the research is allegedly in full swing. meanwhile biden s desperate election-year water crackdown is already feeling as illegals continue to flood over the border which with sources knuckling out 10,000 were operated thursday alone. four time the limit of which biden said he will stop processing asylum claims. in other words it was all smoke and mirrors are not real. here with reaction, harris culture, mark penn haux of formulary and is fearless. there s no such thing as a fearful tabular in any way. an object out for miller and. let s get your take. is a long list of people now. s james carville, i was before mark penn gotta let him speak for himself. but it s brandon jones, it s david axelrod, it s maureen dowd, nate silver now joining the chorus. you have been saying, do you still believe 140 days out, do you think you will replace biden? i absolutely believe they will replace biden. i believe is going to happen either at the convention or shortly thereafter. i think the democrats or four too strategic and therefore too used to winning and they enjoy winning four too much to take arrest with joe biden and i know they took a risk in 2020 but when we look back at the debates in 2020 and wheeler, when he was nearly newly elected he was in far better shape than that he is no and he was slipping then. thank they can possibly take that risk. who believe they will swap him out. i also think that when it comes to this first debate we need to actually raise our expectations of joke because as counting it as a word if he is able to step up bright and complete a sentence is giving him far too much credit because then he ll claim the victory that is located after the state of the union because he was able to get through it in one piece. so we have to raise our expectations of biden and we also have to put the onus on the democrat agenda and not just the messenger, but the actual message. because if and when they do swap out biden we have to be ready on the republican side and cannot be cut flat-footed if they bring gavin newsom and anything shiny new toy, we can t let that happen in the strategy of the democrats is unmatched can never forget that. sean: i don t think it would be gavin. i think it would be more likely be what more of their their bypass vise presidents harris. mark, and anybody really conclude anything else, that smart number, like yourself, you really don t want biden, do you? well i think i ll defer that one, per se. but like i didn t think he was going to run. you decided to run back and you know what, east of the democratic primaries. these are he s delegates, is his convention. the idiot he is not going to be the nominee i think is a fantasy. getting the party is around him, i don t know why jim said what he is that there is not really particularly useful at this point. the only thing i ll say is this debate sean: well do you know what he said what he said? is a little risky. sean: do you know he said it? what s the point of saying that now? sean: it s obvious this guy is a mumbling bumbling, stumbling, fumbling, you know, you can barely string sentences together. however,, i do take tommy s and mr thing will see the return of jack up joe. whatever joe drank at eight, took before the state of the union, maybe it was just read bull and caffeine pills. i don t know. whatever it was that that was not the normal joe. we never saw it before and we haven t seen it since. but we will see it for the debates. know there are some even saying, mark of the donald trump might be wise to just pass on the first debate with bill his nominated linda beat him. what would you say to that? i would say he accepted i it. accepted an alliance that. if i were donald young out of them somebody negotiating here. but i would think you out now without really looking cowardly. and i think biden has, you know, said he went to meet the challenge. i think it s a big task whether you think intact or not. if you can get to that debate at the leftist campaign and if you can t suspect it might actually be joe my have been donald trump a fever and i see this affectionately by insisting that with is not his term to speak that the mood your reaction? i would hope a lot of things for that first debate. obviously is stacked against onto and we know that but i think donald trump had an incredible opportunity in this first debate back more presidential that he s ever acted in his entire life to push everything on joe and joe s feeling agenda and his failed policies which is a democrat failed policies and agenda. demek from justice back and he lets joe talk himself in to a corner of the normal jump will not force the images have to restrain himself which i believe he can do apple it and can act as prejudicial and dignified as possible and he will win against joe biden and his failed policies. you simply can t stand on those and quite frankly can stand at all. sean: all right. let me ask you this. if, in fact, joe, for whatever reason, mark penn, went out. tommy is convinced it would be gavin newsom. i m not so sure. i don t think it would be gavin. that is my guess. have no insight, knowledge, except he only and over and over and over again, when i interviewed him and interrelate with governor desantis that he wouldn t do it. okay. so i think the most likely person if it s not vice president harris would be governor whitmer of that is my take. people uprooted the name michelle obama. everything she s up to the job myself. would be the most likely democrat, who would you pick if you had to choose somebody? well again, and have to go through the history here. these delegates were nominated for this tickets. harris i think would be the likely nominee if, for some reason, at any reason, joe biden had to remove himself. you can bet on that is almost a certainty feature you think it would be kamala harris? yes absolutely. sean: all right. the game is on. i don t know what you guys want to bet but, you know, feel free, you know, off air. thank you, both. when we come back all right four israeli hostages, thank god, held by hamas terrorists since october the 7th and they were rescued during what was a daring raid this weekend. we have the video of it. but your vice president is making sure to appease her far left base rather than praising those involved in the heroic read and we ll tell you what the left also said about this heroic moment. you think they would be happy the hostages were freed of the people that were involved in taking them, yes some of them died back but every death not taken place since october 7th, the blood is on hamas. 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[ gunshots ] [ gunshots ] [simultaneous talking] [ gunshots ] [ gunshots ] sean: a very courageous, serious complex military operation but over the fake news cnn one hostage release? know that would be a rescue. keep in mind that is in network that is supposed to host the upcoming presidential debate. so can fake jake tapper and dana bash really be objective or test object or trusted? of their liberal talkshow host color not generalist as they came claim to be. also vice president harris she warned the palestinians, tragically killed during the raids and called for an and back to the war complaining of course to her extremist left-wing base which showed up in full force this weekend in front of the white house and probably started vandalizing monuments in lafayette square reportedly screaming at police and secret service in demanding the illumination of the state of intro. secret service agents, you know, were told to kill themselves there s a lot the release for some of these radicals and by the way we were forced to retreat from the insane mob. anyway here with reaction of former senior aide to president trump stephen miller and from l affaire project you know, the people that are responsible for the murder of 1200 the people that took all these israelis and americans hostage and is real bravely is risking lives to go save the lives of people i argue that every death of every palestinian that blood is on the hands of hamas that started this war that killed these israelis and the worst terrorist attack in history and it s miraculous that they got these four hostages and that would be called a rescue not a release. you re reaction. sean, s right to be with you here can mike mcivor detail you re absolutely correct. under the laws of armed conflict it is hamas, a terrorist group is responsible for the death of civilians both israeli civilians and palestinian civilians. but have to ask yourself of knowing is happening in this war right now, at what point under the laws of armed conflict do you lose your civilian status? because let us not forget that it was over 2000 gallons civilians that broke into israel on october the 7th mark it was the garden civilians along with hamas that tortured, that raped, that murdered, that burned israeli civilian babies al alive. it was garden civilians let then took israeli civilians as hostages. that kept civilians who murder others civilians and you must be sure that no matter what you call yourself, if you kidnap and murder israeli civilians the idf will rightfully hold you accountable. like any sort of like that coastal illiterates, you know, hollywood leftist george clooney knows literally wanting bibi netanyahu to be brought up on war crimes has he is literally trying to defend his own country from radical islamic terrorists, you know, how people like that moral clarity stephen miller got a number for the life of me understand. israel has the right to self-determination have to defend their country from a group that has in their charter a call for israel s destruction at what would ve been 40,000 dead americans in our database under population and then you have, you know, jack ash actual actors like george clooney and his wife going after the prime minister for trying to preserve their country? really? you know, where is your moral compass, mr clooney? although mr i being too polite like much. there isn t one. there s no moral compass. the radical left in this country has decided that it s on the side of hamas. is as simple as that a commercial is a genocidal terrorist organization. one of the most evil and vi vile, repugnance, organizations alive today or at any point in the history of humanity as has been discussed congaree county butcher valley murder of the torture they sexually enslave women and children, broke barbarians. joe biden democrat party is now playing for the pro- hamas in this country. they re playing for whatever sliver of voters in this country think is sympathetic to hamas. know that s morally indefensible, but i would also say its politically idiotic because for every row hamas brought in this country there are 20 motors, 30 voters who are horrified and as appalled by the atrocities of hamas as we are on this panel tonight. i believe joe biden will pay a deer price for cozying up to that segment of the u.s. electorate. sean: this is one of the saddest moments in u.s. history are not only did he have advocate america s role on the world stage as the leader of the cause of liberty and freedom and that he also surrendered in the war against radical islamic terrorism by saying were not going to help israel defend against those people that attack them on october 7th, you know, just the perfect bedfellow to raise money george clooney and his wife thank you both. appreciate. coming up another truck joe biden virtually tied in the state of virginia, the commonwealth. wildebeest it flipped reed in november? 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joining us with more coverage in the governor glenn youngkin. governor adolescent gaheer victory really shocked the world in many ways because a lot of people like myself included, that virginia had gone solidly blue as the northern virginia was hired too many dc employees will vote for the bureaucracy and he became that much more difficult of a state to win. is a state in play for the long-term? i believe it is and that s exactly what the polls are showing us. just like georgia and pennsylvania and wisconsin at michigan and nevada and arizona, those battleground states are seeing the exact same kind of statement that virginians are making. they want a strong america. a1 america has economic strength. not that biden terminated economy establish in conventional flowing over every day. we see it in virginia, we literally have five virginians dying and i read from the demo overdose and we had two illegal immigrants crash negates at quantico in a box truck recently. anyone in america that has energy independence. we are so tired that i can hear every single day of being told that you have to buy an ev if you live in california but not in virginia anymore because we declare our independence or that, in fact,, you have to pay 20, 30, 40% more for a gallon of gas because of the biden field energy policy. they want trump back in the white house because he built a strong america. and that s exactly what we ve seen in virginia over the course of the last couple of years there a commonsense conservative policy works. we ve unleashed you referring economy in virginia and i think what is the international level. yes virginia is in play come we ve got hard work. but i m telling you when they put the records of president clinton against president biden, i believe that virginians and americans are going to find themselves pulling the lever for president trump. sean: when i was with president trump last weekend and i did an interview with him your name came up and he asked me if i spoke to you often and i said well occasionally, you know, we have spoken and you come on the show and he said when you told him, tell him i m going to give a call. i want i would say expect a call from president trump. i m just a mere messenger. you know, what about northern virginia because it always carries me because there are so many dc bureaucrats that s live in the commonwealth of virginia that work in dc and how big a percentage of the vote is that going to end up being the commonwealth? in order to win virginia like we did in 2021, you have to lose both in virginia less badly. and what we did of course was we won hispanic vote, we one the asian boat. we one the independent vote. people already are ready for change. and in 2021 we were ready to see parents put back in the head of the table, back in control of the children s lives. they were tired of government taking all of their hard-earned money and putting it in government coffers were sleeping in in her pocket. they wanted a chance to build their lives the way they wanted to build them not being told what to do all the time, mandated masts and oh by the way man it was kind of car you drive. this is virginia and, of course, i think this is america. and therefore the plan to win virginia is of course to lose northern virginia, less bad but to get over 40% of the vote and not get out in the rest of the state and that s exactly what we did in 2021 and when you look at president from straight across virginia that s exactly what he can do. sean: limit your final question. and donald trump and i know you your name has not been out there prominently but if the long-term called you and ask you to run with him what would you say, governor? well first, i would be honored and humbled and tell him that there is a ton of talent the republican party today and i ve seen them everywhere and it s my job to finish my time as governor and help him win virginia. but i ll tell you what, we have to make sure alec to get donald trump back in the white house because america can t withstand another four years of biden. sean: is not a hard no? let not your heart be troubled there is a realistic view of the fact that there are so much talent that i think he can have a great choice and find lots of people. sean: i understand. all right. governor that always great to have you on the program. when we come back, the white house pulling agencies of internet, did not go away well for joe. straight ahead. home inspectors, general contractors, roofers; all kinds of pros recommend leaffilter. why? it s engineered for performance. because with leaffilter s patented filter technology, there s no gaps, no openings, no place for debris to get in at all. leaffilter is a permanent solution we install on your existing gutters. you ll never have to climb a ladder to clean out your gutters again. our installation process is simple and easy. just give us a call and set up an appointment today. we ll come out and give you a free gutter inspection. if your gutters are sagging, we ll repair them. if they re broken, we ll replace them. if they re in good shape, our local trusted pros will install leaffilter in as little as a few hours. and the best part? 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, but i think we need a week off. i m not here to tell you a thank you for what you did but it has some stressful days. there s days were your black and you go, yeah, i. he rented to hit list of water biden accomplished trying to win black voters over. laura: it s late. thank you. that is it for us tonight, make sure to follow me on social media, thank you a watching. it s my son make my sons dimitris 16th birthday today. that is what he looked like when i saw him for the first time and that s what you looks like now. happy water happy birthday! so proud of you. great young man. jesse: welcome to jesse watters primetime . tonight. what he think about joe biden? he didn t do [ bleep ]. whatever he does. jesse: the left says off what was biden s head. sent a [ bleep ]. donald trump wins, people stop flying out of windows, they will end up in gulags as donald trump said,. jesse: the media fantasizing about trumpet the dictator. but what of biden loses and he doesn t leave? president biden: i m not going anywhere. [ ] [ bleep ]. holy [ bleep ]. jesse: it s a wild animal summer. plus. [ ] jesse: it was mostly peaceful weekend in washington, the sun was shining, the birds were singing and little johnny g. how to you was surrounded the white house. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ] police. jesse: desecrating the statute of general low shampoo, the frenchman who in washington forced the surrender of dish general. effectively winning the revolutionary war. police made no arrests, actually that was one arrest, but you escaped. biden said he is defending democracy but cannot defend the statute of the general who helped started. it is also biden s biggest turnout of the season, crowded size, into the tens of thousands. more democrats protested abiding in one night than it showed up to support him all year. will harris also got showered with surreal love in michigan. we mourn all of the innocent lives that have been lost in gaza including those tragically killed today. for the past eight months, president biden and i have been working every day to bring this conflict i m speaking right now. and i value and respect to your boys but i m speaking right now. jesse: while biden and kamala harris were getting heckled out of their own blue backyards, trump was on his their home turf getting some california love church or. [ cheering ] [ ] jesse: 4500 and come home empty-handed, more on that in a minute. kenny flu to vegas for campaign but rally it was so hot of the tell and ponder broke. student can you imagine of biden was up without of the teleprompter? could you imagine of the teleprompters when document cures biden. ahh. he wouldn t even say nothing because he is incapable. how about when he s reading the teleprompter and they say pause, maybe about three people clapping and he just walks off the stage like this, oh, teleprompter. [ laughter ] [ cheering ] this guy is the worst. jesse: after the comedy show, trump revealed a new economic policy that hard-working americans will love. mr. trump: you know people are saying, where we better off for four years ago or better off now and i wasn t even close to the head of the greatest economy and history, when we did in taxes nobody has ever done. this is the first time i have said this and for those hotel workers and people who get tips you will be very happy, because when i get to office, we are going to do not charge taxes on it tips. people making tips. [ cheering and applause ] jesse: when i was in a bell it gave me about form out dollars and 25 cents an hour but made hundreds of dollars in tips which we do not report obviously because they can tax it. but everything is on credit cards now, you cannot hide it. uncle sam s taxes tips. biden hired 87,000 extra irs people to do it. trumps to a tax cut makes biden look like a sinister old geezer and is already moving the needle i did talk with some hotel workers and service workers here in las vegas about how that is playing with them, about six people told me that would change their vote. that is enough to make them such from voting democrats to republican of donald trump s promising something like that to them. jesse: sources in delaware tell me biden is a terrible tipper. usually has 70 ells pay for him. but when he does pay, no window. bad tipping the president who taxes tips. does not get reelected. and ucb has pulls as the economy is the number 1 issue for americans, not the trump conviction. that is at the bottom of the list. and it s not just the economy, it turns out most of america ones mass deportations as well. would you support a new government program that would deport all people living in the u.s. illegally, and that finds majority favor, that finds six in a 10. unpack that a little bit, the 62 percent of americans favor deporting all undocumented immigrants? some of what mr. trump talks about could be illegal, it doesn t seem practical in some sense to round up children. so what exactly do people think they are supporting? jesse: deporting illegals could be illegal is it kind of a brilliant analysis americans are blessed with on cbs sunday. remember biden s executive order to shut down to the board if border crossings had over 2500 today? while border crossings have been over 2500 a day every day since biden signed the order. and he has not shut it down. the day after he signed the order, there were 4000 border crossings. the next day? 10,000. anybody hear anything about a biden shutting down the board? he did not. because he did not. why would democrats support a man like that? they don t. a friend of the show, neck surely, went to compton. watch. horry voting for 2024? obama. obama isn t running the. [ bleep ]. trump, you put money in our pockets. i ll say sleepy joe. now i m just plain. probably trump. i m gonna move trump. oliver drum because biden is in showing his name. trump is for the people. it was so? here is for us. joe biden 2020, 2024. difference of his in the past eight years? everything is going up. foods going up, the economies going up. it s a difference, amazing a difference. still in the ghetto, still in the hood. i haven t seen no changes. today from compton to silicon valley, democrats are walking away from a guy who can barely walk. trouble holding $30 million from his holiday when california s and, coming to straight at nancy pelosi s backyard. tech billionaire said they were impressed by how eloquent and articulate trump was an open of the checkbooks. one source told the post, he was very thoughtful and self-deprecating. one of the billionaires who hosted the fundraiser for trump was a lifelong democrat was that he was forced into political homelessness. as a democrat who had been left homeless, who is now definitely in the center, probably increasingly right, and left yet again with an appreciation despite of the messenger of the message of the trump administration. jesse: the remorse is ripping through the democrat ranks and clinton grew, james cargo said don t blame me, i never wanted the guy. it is not a choice that i was crazy about. i thought president biden should not run for reelection but he did and it s him and trump and that s where i am. his lack of enthusiasm among younger people for public policy or public celebration, being involved in the public is quite disheartening. jesse: and the democrat numbers grew, nate silver, announced today that the biden approval rating has reached an all-time low, and says biden is in a much worse shape than he was four years ago, and is on track to losing and suggests we might have hit the threshold where biden dropping out would help democrats more than if you stuck it out. because what does it say about a man who won t protect america s symbolic landmarks? won t protect our national sovereignty? won t even protect workers a meager tips from vicious irs agents during an inflationary bubble that he caused? if you love this country, you fight to protect it. number 1, take any of the greatest fighters of all time, trump is number 1. the most resilient human being and the ever met in my life. why keep doing those? yeah, but money, gave a great life, whatever. why keep doing this. one thing i can tell you in this is a fact, this guy loves this country. and he loves all americans. regardless of what color, religion or whatever it is, he is not a racist, is a good human being and he loves america and he cares about this country. to end of story. jesse: from waitresses to whales, from compton to adventure capital, to lafayette park, the anti- biden avalanche is building up speed and is taking all of us along for the ride. from the bottom up to the top down, the selection blows down to those, reason triumphing over fear, given of americans is a common sense and deliberate, they don t allow their passions to be inflamed by demagogues, joe biden will be soundly defeated in the numbers. in western onto bernard, it even sachs joins me now. right david, avenue billionaire buddies, it out of there in silicon valley. is it just you and a couple of guys, help bag is this anti- biden movement out of the upper salons? i think it s getting surprisingly big jesse. we agreed to do the fundraising for president trump guided the goal was to raise $5 million we were not even sure bigger do that because as you know, silicon valley is pretty much a liberal faction. but we had a brazing $12 million. we had over a hundred people and it was a total love avast. and out of the streets, the newspaper it has been trying all week to get up protesters and nothing really materialized at all but hundreds of people? to demonstrate in favor president trump and they were cheering, even so if that s the enthusiasm gap in a liberal place at san francisco, what is a tell you about the rest of the country? jesse: it tells a lot and we have seen it across the country, bodegas, compton, it shocks you. you said there was a lot of love for trump in the room, obviously people definitely there to donate. is that of the anti- biden feeling or is it to the pro trump feeling? how would you define it? we had a lot of people in that room who had never donated to republicans before or to donald trump, they were new donors or they have always been democrat donors yet they came up. i believe chubey that to the fact that trump is making inroads into silicon valley and biden is really alienating people. he pursued a very hostile program towards immigration, very hostile towards crypto innovation wants to overregulate ai, sizing that is a lot of people in technology were asking what good is this for us? how does it help us to have another four years of president biden? and i believe that trump has shown that he is the crypto president, he is in favor of innovation, he is the link it to listen and you listened extremely well to everybody in that room and he wants america to do well. anything that people in tech who get to meet the president get to get to know him, see that he really cares. anything they can be won over by him and i think they were. jesse: using the biden biden administration is trying to two overregulate ai, i think that kamala harris might be the a day czar? the age factor, because kamala harris is in play. of biden is reelected he will probably give it kamala harris in the first or second year. how much a factor is that? the white house had an ai summit and they did trot kamala harris with a hundred plays schmekel hundred page plus ai regulatory plan and it was absurd, the level of detail they worked and in terms of regulating the single. ai is brand-new, at some point we will have to regulate but not right now. anything for a lot of people in tech it was over this is how the government reacts to the internet back in the 1990s, would have never materialized or blossomed into the region revolution the internet was which is good for american jobs and productivity and leadership in the world. we don t want to do is kill this ai innovation, and i think there was not a great deal of confidence that kamala harris was the person was going to be the ai czar was going to led us to this glorious future. jesse: that s an understatement. [ laughter ] at the biden administration is way too trigger-happy on regulation and that s the bottom line. jesse: money talks and there s 12 million things to say at this fundraiser. a lot of talk. david sacks xp thank they much, go check out of podcast. johnny goes to the puerto rican day parade. a lot of puerto ricans are saying they re voting for donald trump, are you? i say yes, my president kicke my axts when i got back home.l [ ]ju and see why pods has been trusted with over 6 million moves. don t wait, use promo code 25now to save. book at pods.com today. ( ) start your day with nature made. the #1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand. [ ] jesse: fox news lord, closing arguments are rabid and hundred biden s fate is now and the fate of the drink! we could have a verdict as soon as tomorrow morning. into the courtroom today, david? those jury deliberations began probably a 9:00 am tomorrow, we could get a verdict, the jury was handed this case officially late this afternoon. they met about an hour before heading home. hundred biden declined to uses the rights to testify in his own defense, he walked into this courthouse you can see him there with his uncle, james biden who was there to support him. had a big showing a family members included the first lady, his wife, valerie who is the president sister and uncle jim, the president s brother and the sister ashley watching in the front. the jury has to wait what will felonies, the first is did hunter biden lie to employees over the delaware going to swear on october 12th 2018 when he checked no to being a drug user or being addicted to drugs, did he lie on the form itself when he checked no in did he illegally possessed of the gun for 11 days in october 2018 if he was a drug user. the government does not have to prove that hunter was on drugs out of the exact moment he bought the gun were even in the whole month of october 2018. jurors have to look at the entire time frame talking about months and weeks before and after. leah wise, of the jurors had not to focus on the presence of famous people sitting in the courtroom meaning the first lady and others, did not want jurors to be distracted, pointing to the gun form which says are you an unlawful user or addicted to illegal drugs, it is not as a have you ever been. are below saying it s all about hundred biden s frame of mind. those are some of the things the jury has to wait hunter biden it has been quite a trial, the courtroom today and maxime to cheery, he was walking around giving people xoxox thanking them for coming to support him. that was a moment out in the hallway where he, the first lady and his wife bowed their heads with somebody who seemed to be a religious figure. possibly praying before going to court. he could face up to 25 years behind bars, tomorrow we are likely expecting to get a jury. if we don t, clearly there s something going on if it is not come back tomorrow. jesse: thank you? fox news legal editor who was also in the courthouse today, carry, i hunter biden look happy to me, smiling got good spirits. what does he have to be so happy about? it may be he is happy about the possibility that of the showing of his family members is having an effect on the jury. it seems like they are concerned because they opened their closing with a pretty stark statement. it was bold, it was gutsy. they were leaning in for a reason and they gestured just like this to joe biden and the family members sitting right there, several feet away and he said this is not evidence. they went on to say how, to the jurors, they may have watch them watching that you, you may have seemed the implied emotional reactions, he may have seen them on the news but respectfully none of this matters and then they presented what felt like frankly overwhelming evidence of hunter biden s drug use both for, during and after during the time of that purchase of the gun. jesse: i have the form here, clear as day. are you in on lawful user of or addicted to narcotics? why are they even still deliberating? is. we have been sitting and listening to two below, hundred biden s defense attorney talking about what does or actually mean? we had a lot of data, we have a lot of discussion about when hunter biden was testing the wife of his dead brother, at that point he was in a relationship with and saying he was smoking crack on a car, and various drug users, 711, his defense attorney said he was just mad so he was saying start to get under her skin. reader know why he s at that and you know what, he may have been getting a at 711. jesse: oh, yes,, mookie makes the best decaf. that s where i go for my copy. mookie at 711. thank you jack may be more action tomorrow. see you soon. [ ] fax fox news lord, is really forces pulled off a stunning rescue operation in gaza, bringing five hostages back home. we are learning more details about that remarkable hostage rescue that took place on a saturday morning. is really special forces releasing new video captured by a helmet camera in central gaza as a mom the forces go into a building to clear separate rooms and ultimately find three of the hostages being held by hamas g-2 gas for their names, telling them to stay calm and he were before taking them out of the building through hamas exchanges of fire into a wooden helicopter along the shores of gaza, ultimately back to hospital here in tel aviv. the wall street journal report submission almost failed, israeli were coming under rpg and small arm to fire, when this operation was taking place and other local media is reporting it was weeks in the making, the israelis are using top-level intelligence to try to locate as many hostages as possible and bring them home. jesse: absolutely incredible. what if it is a biden who refuses to leave the whiteta house? 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[ laughter ] so if somebody s going to destroy the country, and you lose, would you say, okay,, my transition team will be in touch and these are the passwords to the executive building, right, you wouldn t. you would not do that. what he think joe is going to do? is is a realistic scenario? you know is interesting about the left is that a lot of people talking about projection, it s usually an unconscious thing, where it s really a confession of what you, yourself, is doing, what your side is doing you blame the other side of your key was the other side of doing. but it is usually, and unconscious think. here it s part of a delivered strategy on the part of the left. they are lying to everybody by donald trump, you re lying to everybody about it the right and conservatives. what are they themselves for decades have spent a lot of time and resources burning down the country. whether it was the nt file, black lives matter at the pro- hamas protests. the issue was always the solution. jesse: constant revolution to destabilize american society. try to turn the conversation around and flip the script and say donald trump and maga will do this when clearly we had eight years of maga and all he hasn t done is a delivered booming economy and enforce at the border, peace, prosperity, world order for. jesse: and they say he will deliver civil unrest if he s reelected. that is probably them in, at the resistance, colliding with people and causing the civil unrest because of not going to be deprogram to peacefully. [ laughter ] especially by george conaway who know offense about the really important piece about this is knowing what we know the deep state and what they are capable of doing, her knowledge is going to allow donald trump to march back in, have that come back. i think a lot of people, in the deep state, of the regime may have. jesse: they are capable of anything. we have seen that evidence very clearly. thank you monica crowley. thank you jesse watters. jesse: present trump campaigning in las vegas is weekend offering support is a very adjusting hypothetical, would you rather be a relic to get it or eaten by a shark? mr. trump: water goes over the battery, and the boat is sinking, do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted, or do i jump over by the shark and get not trying to not get electrocuted? because nobody has ever asked me that question, is that as he gets a good question, i think there s a lot of electric current coming through that water but you know what i do have there s a shark where you get electrocuted? à la take electrocution time. i m not getting near the shark. jesse: electric car, electric sharks plaque didn t come out of nowhere. this weekend, two separate shark attacks sent a pair of teens to the hospital and left a woman armless. of the attacks happen within miles of each other on a separate beaches in walton county florida. friday before 1:30 pm, a woman so mega near a sandbar was a bit and again lost her arm. an hour and half later, and other shark attacked two teenage girls. these people were hurt badly. life-threatening life-threatening, life altering. jesse: thankfully nobody died, but remember, a shark expert told us, you re supposed to punch the shark in the face, not swim away. and he is an expert. land is no safer. what a bullet leave out of the rodeo, charging the crowd and flipping the fans. holy [ bleep ]! holy [ bleep ]! jesse: johnny hits the streets. what s going on with the border? and biden better [ bleep ] showed the border down.im [ ]um contours to the body to relieve pain right where it hurts. and did we mention, it really, really sticks? salonpas, it s good medicine. can neuriva support your brain health? mary, janet, hey!! 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[ ] jesse: the blast peddled myths for years, missing partial young americans take out a massive college years for uses degrees, put off having the children and rearrange their lives to account for impending climate apocalypse. the people who believe these lies are significantly worse off for it. an entire generation is convinced that a college degrees or golden tickets to success. now they are beginning to do begin the government bail them out. climate hysteria s trade earned millions of young americans and anxious rex,? i m sure that helped with inflation a lot. worst of all, women were told hold off on having kids, prioritizing individual fulfillment over starting families as if he could not do one or both. according to the new york times, the left sold its followers on a bill of goods that was a childless life is not only fulfilling the, it was good for you, and 48 the joint of the environment. choosing to not have children wasn t just about focusing on your career, it is about sticking into conservatives who believed in the nuclear family. 34 percent of people surveyed chose to not have kids themselves. or new somebody who was intentionally childless. it turns the woman who prioritized childless childless liberalism are wrecked with regard. lila rose joins me now? i see this is a good thing, lila? that finally liberals are waking up to the fact that at this crazy propaganda is unhealthy, mentally and physically. we may be shifting ballots here? and ingrid definitely shifting balance, the endgame is the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. the most meaning you can find in life comes from relationships and love, in the most meaningful relationships are within families, so i think marriage is going to be made great again, because people are realizing the epidemic of loneliness is only solved through commitment, fidelity and opening up your love and having the children, the beatable risk of children. you might even joke that the liberals not having kids, the conservatives will outnumber them but i think as liberals wake up into the valley of children it makes them more conservative. jesse: i m sure that s not how it works, my parents were liberals and they had me. you are special. jesse: even though my mom says i m not, spee think very much. everyone: this country was founded on cleaning a government to encourage the pursuit of happiness. happiness involves work, happiness involves family, happiness involves tranquility, not worried about the earth ending in 10 years, everything they have structured goes against everything that the founders prescribed. by what they do that? it s the propaganda of the climate crises, would say marxism and all spies saying that children act or happened having children is selfish, that the family project is selfish, you should just care of the state and the environment, at the carbon footprint is the biggest problem in the world we are facing. that is all a lot. the reality we are facing the demographic decline in all of the west meaning we are not replacing ourselves, because people are not having enough children. they have gone to the far extreme in pursuit of what? what is the point of government, the point of the environment it? it s the future of humanity for children. those who are having to children those who are raising families, in the future will belong to those people. and think more people are waking up because so many people are so miserable right now. jesse: we cannot have a country of an happy woman. would not be good for women and it would not be good for men. happy wife, happy life. jesse: you got it in. [ laughter ] see when they data is so interesting, almost 80 percent of drum voters 80 care about, they prioritize family and society. and its 19 percent of biden voters stated family matters and children matter for the future. even that just shows you the divide. jesse: really is a stark divide. you think so much. [ ] jesse: the puerto rican day parade marched in manhattan yesterday, so johnny was there obviously to ask about our big puerto rican president, joe biden. [ ] [ cheering ] let s go! what is the best thing about being puerto rican? we love to make noise! toxic as hell. puerto ricans are hot. and bless father for him about his sin soon we love music. we love to salsa. [ ] what is the world and not know about puerto ricans? we re not yelling that s just how we speak. umass it with us, we will throw flip-flop right at you. [ ] how proud are you to finally have the first puerto rican president of united states? a what? soon what? he puerto rican? he says he s puerto rican. he is lying. he s not puerto rican. you think i m kidding don t you? i don t think he had got the flavored. he got none of our blood running through his veins stood he is white cheese. i maybe a white boy but i m not stupid. what has job and does for the latinos? nothing, nothing. soon i m going to keep it honest, i don t know one thing. not a damn [ bleep ] thing. not important enough for him to do a damn thing. coric at a you re fired. get out of here is a knack. [ ] mayor adams, puerto rican community not happy with the joe biden, what s happening? i know whether happy about, unhappy about but another happy to be out here and i m happy to be out here today. i got a test the product. what will we do part of the open border? send everybody back home. biden has to shut the border down or trouble take his seat. mr. trump: on the best thing that happened for peter rico. what s happening to the migrants? this country is open for everybody but due to the right-of-way. this country doesn t look like america anymore, it looks like venezuela. [ bleep ]. mr. trump: what he said is a bunch of country garbage. a lot of latinas are saying they voted for donald trump, are you? soon i am back at go trump! go trump! if i say yes, my president will kick my they believe when i go back home. did i not explain trust to you? trump did it way better than biden did. people don t like it. because he speaks the truth and we puerto rican speak the truth. number 1 in the polls with the has pannek s and everybody is surprised, i am not surprised. one is a capasso to jesse watters? que paso jesse watters! we love you! jesse: more from our movement, next. 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seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in arizona as the ones it s powerful mayor drowns in debt and scandal he says he has no regrets. we ve got the tape of him today a new images of those extraordinary moments that hostages are found alive during that, during rescue mission in gaza in broad daylight, a top israeli official will join me here live. i m kaitlin collins this is the source let this sink in and for just a moment, the presumptive republican nominee and the former president of the united states, just met with probation officers ahead of his sentencing which happens to be one month from tomorrow here in new york. now these pre-sentencing interviews are routine procedures for convicted felons, but it s safe to say there is nothing ordinary about this interview or this convicted felon. here s what we do know as of 9:00 p.m. here tonight, it was around 330 this afternoon that donald trump donald trump met virtually from his mar-a-lago club down in south florida with officials here in new york or sources say that he answered all the questions that were asked of him. cnn s john miller was told that trump was polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers who conducted this interview. and the whole thing was over and just under half an hour it is quite the call, but adding to the unusual nature of this whole thing, we re told that the commissioner of new york s probation department was present for it, along with the general counsel and the officer who s assigned to the case and trump, as we know, with the permission of the judge here, one more sean was joined by his lead attorney, todd blanche, who are you d this case. now, typically, a convicted defendant would meet with their probation officer without their attorney. there. but this was different here. like many of the dynamics here. and ultimately it is the probation department that will submit a report based in part on today s interview to the judge here, who of course, will then ultimately decide but trump s punishment will be, i m joined tonight by trump biographer, cnn political analyst, and you times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. maggie, i mean it s a required step before sentencing, but just the aspect that he is undergoing. this is just remarkable in and of itself, everything about this is remarkable. and i do think that we lose sight of it that especially those of us who were in that courtroom, as you and i were, this is a former president who was trying to understand that his supporters think that this was not a case that should have been brought. they say that all the time. i think his lawyers feel this way too but nonetheless, he was convicted and it took less than two days and now we are hurdling toward a republican national convention, where he is going to be he nominated for a third time as the party s nominee, and he will have just been sentenced a few days earlier on july 11. and so i don t think we can overstate how remarkable this is. i think where it stops feeling remarkable is that voters don t same, particularly interested in it. and so this is history. this is something we have never experienced before. everything you just described is not the usual procedure in this kind of a sentencing report interview. but this is not typical, as you said? yeah, for all the talk of how trump has treat, i mean does get special treatment in some of these circumstances and you talked about the hell the sentencing is on. it s on a thursday. the convention starts that monday based on what you ve heard, has it set in for donald trump himself though, that this is happening, that he is having to answer these kinds of questions to probation officers. it has not actually don t think that the the conviction has left his mind much even though he s i think the best compartmentalize are many of us have ever seen on the political stage. i think he is well aware of what he is carrying over the next four weeks this situation where most of them would try to get a lesser sentence in these kind of interviews or when they go before the judge, trump will have an opportunity to speak to offer to be contrite but it doesn t seem like he s going he has been making that argument based on what he s been saying on truth, social, or rallies, or in interviews about this case and we do know he s also planning on appealing it right after that sentencing happens. so how does he balance the two of those so my assumption and we don t know specifically what he said in this interview. it was pretty short today. i don t know what the average length of those are, but 30 minutes is not a long time on its own my assumption is that he was actually not contrite, but certainly more subdued in that interview. than what we have seen on truth, social, what we saw outside of the courtroom and the hallways at the courthouse, what we have seen him du rallies, what we ve seen him doing, interviews it will be very hard for him to then suddenly argue that that s all just politics. or he didn t mean it, or what have you remember? he s going to be sentenced by a judge who cited him for violating a gag order several several times. and at one point said to him, the last thing i want to have to do is put you in jail, but made clear that that was on the table. if he kept doing it i don t know what this ends up looking like it i don t see a world where trump stands up and says, i m really sorry because trump s still denies anything happened, especially to this judge of all people are rapidly rails against repeatedly, which is you make a really good point there that how he acts inside the courtroom or based on what john miller heard about how he was in this interview? it is quite different than how he talks about it at rallies on tv in front of the mics. as you and i know well, from covering him for a long time, he can be very different depending on what crowd he is playing, two and when he knows that he is playing to the probation commissioner and his probation officer or the person assigned to the case. i am expecting that he was slightly more subdued now, do i think that that means that he said you re right. i feel terrible about all of this. no, i find that very unlikely, but i doubt that it was spoken version of the all caps truth, truthsocial posts and part of this process is family members, friends can submit letters to the court on the defendants. the felons behalf do you think that ll happen in this situation? actually do think that there are a lot of people who are potentially going to write testimonials. we ll see if that happens, but we certainly saw that he and his aides were getting people to attend the trial. normally, when people do that, it s so that the jurors can see sympathetic people around the person is in trump s case, it was so trump could roll heavy with elected officials for the most part. but i could see efforts by his family members, by friends. he went to court a couple of times with steve witkoff, one of his oldest friends whose real estate investor from new york, i could see people like that sending in notes to the judge. yeah. it s interesting. i also wonder the vp contenders who also started showing up, the doug burgum is the jd vance s making very clear. it s also a question whether they would say something on his bath or there s doing it on on television and interviews. my assumption is that they are much likely are to do it to the cameras than they are to the judge because they re playing to a different audience than the judge. their plan to trump seated senior legal analyst elie honig is also your elie you when we look at this, how much impact does what happened today in this whole pre-sentencing report that s gonna go to the judge how much impact does that have on the actual sentence itself? these reports matter. they re not binding on the judge, but they absolutely matter because this is the first time you hear from some sort of neutral third party trusted by the courts, probation department, and i promise you, whichever side likes the recommendation will say, look, the probation department is with us. there on our site and just to give you a sense of how closely he held this information is when we would get these pre-sentence report sent to us as prosecutors, it would come in to emails first and encrypted email that you couldn t open unless you had the code and then a second email giving us the password to open it. so that s how confidential this information is kept. it seen as is proprietary, it s private information, it s personal information, so it s very closely guarded by the courts. does it ever make a difference to the prosecution of what they re going to ask the judge for in terms of sentencing, when they look it over port like this for sure. because let s put ourselves in alvin bragg s position here for a second. this is going to be really close call at sentencing. what does alvin bragg? i think he s likely to ask for some term of imprisonment. i think it s hard for him to bring a case like this. just to get 34434 convictions and then say, we re fine with probation. and if probation, the probation department itself has come in first and said, we recommend prison. it s much easier as the da to say we agree with them. yes. do that there s a lot of information in this pre-sentencing report that it actually could pertain to his other legal issues that he s dealing with from the civil ones here in new york, but also the other criminal cases. could that complicate anything? i mean, is that why todd blanche attended this today? would normally an attorney would not be present for it, happy if i had a client who had three other pending indictments and several civil verdicts in the process of appeal, i would absolutely insist on being there because what he says can be used against him in certain circumstances. another thing to keep your eye on here is now the trump s been convicted once he sentenced in new york that could actually bump up his punishment if he s convicted in the other cases because those cases, what you do is you calculate a person s criminal history. now, he has a criminal history. you re agreeing maggie? impact. do you think it could have i think it could have all of the impacts that le just described. i also think that it could end up being i m not sure that this will happen, but because it hasn t happened yet, but it could end up being a factor in whether prosecutors, any of the other cases and led correct me if i m wrong? if they want to suggest that this impacts his release conditions from those indictments. now, again, i don t think that s likely, but i do think that we have seen jack smith raised concerns about his attacks on the fbi. judge cannon, in that case, the mar-a-lago documents case, did not agree with them. it s just something it s more grist to the prosecutors can point to but if he s not if there s not jail as a result of this. i mean, even if he s checking the probation officer, that would be pretty remarkable in the homestretch of the presidential campaign. yeah, have a curfew. i do sometimes and to have a geographic restriction, i mean, the conditions or probation chen can differ quite a bit, but i do want to make this point, even if judge merchan sentences trump to prison. and i think there s a decent chance he does. that sentence will almost certainly not be imposed until after appeals. and i assume that he is going to differ the sentence until after the appeal is ongoing and set aside. and then that likely gets us till after the election. and of course we know trump is going to appeal this. elie honig when mega man great to have you both to start off the show tonight, coming up here, trump s co-defendant in georgia smiles for his new mug shot in arizona here what rudy giuliani said after he just posted bail and arizona today. but first the helicopter pilot who flew hostages out of gaza is now speaking out as we are seeing new video showing that rescue happening. israel s ambassador to the united nations is here to weigh in the source. we ve kaitlan collins. he s brought to you by up devo plus your voice. find out more at up devo.com. if 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on daylight, we typically this kind of stuff seems to happen at night. it was interesting that it did happen and daylight when i was in combat truthfully, kaitlan, we did normal conventional operations in the daytime and nighttime was left mostly for the special operators to do these kind of hits within our area of operation. so to do this in daylight, is just phenomenal to me that takes even more training. but they had to get in there, they had to see the ground and they had to see the train that they were operating on. and what does that tell you about the hostages? notice they re being held and buildings and apartments we know some of them were told are being held in tunnels, but clearly some of them are being moved around and being held held in buildings, but held in palestinian homes where palestinians were aware that they were there this is the coercion that hamas has on the local residents of gaza. and it s right smack in the middle of a neighborhood. and in fact, a un relief agency building was nearby. we have seen this throughout the campaign that these kind of operations by the israeli defense forces are taking place in neighborhoods with mosque, with hospitals, with schools. all of it within the environment of the palestinian people. it s remarkable, general mark hertling great to have you here tonight. also, your tonight, israel s ambassador to the united nations go out or dawn great to have you back. i do know how the hostages are doing. what would ve israeli officials heard about them they said that they re doing well, obviously they need psychological treatment and other kinds of treatment to recover from what they ve endured. but thank god, there they re at home and they are with their families. and that s the most important thing this were four people who were rescued. this puts the total that israel has rescued of hostages since october 7. its seven people. and obviously, it s undeniable that this is a success for the families and that they are happy to see this but also the question is do you, are you worried that it jeopardizes a potential bigger hostage agreement with hamas to release them on the contrary, i don t think he jeopardizes the bigger hostage deal since we had the first deal, hamas refused every for was put on the table. there were own ready. today we re where we had the fourth security council resolution that passed, but we had three previous ones that were rejected by hamas calling for the release of the hostages so it s the only thing that can work is this combination of diplomacy applying international pressure on hamas that started only today with the resolution that passed in the security council. and using our military might. but you can t what israel has not been able to do is rescue all of them through these special ops operations that are happening. we just talked about the difficulty of it. you can see they is so i do think that s a real question tonight of what it means for for a hostage deal, for getting the rest of the hostages home i don t think we forget them. i mean, we we are willing to sacrifice. you saw we are losing when we paying the ultimate price are best soldiers or lose all right sacrificing their life to save the hostages. hamas does the opposite, but what other choice do we have as long as hamas refuses to every hostage deal, i mean, president biden said ambassador linda thomas-greenfield said, the resolution said that we accepted the new hostage deal we are accepting the outline that appeared in the resolution today. i want to ask you about what happened at the united nations today. but on this, israel s facing a lot of backlash internationally because of how many palestinians were killed as a result of this rate, how does israel justify how many fatalities? it s worth going in and conducting a raid like this in broad daylight when civilians were obviously out. sadly, sadly, you cannot interview here one of the hamas commanders because he s the right address to ask him this question. it s not us to justify. they re putting their own civilians in harm s way. what other choice do? we have? any country would do the same in order to release and rescue their hostages. and still, we don t know the real numbers of un-involved civilians. there were so many civilians. there that we re cooperating with hamas to keep, to keep the, you know, to keep the host the jezzine in apartments to report to hamas when our forces are getting closer and many times, we know that hamas is using civilians that are not affiliated with any terrorist organization, but still they are terrorists. so we cannot still use the terrorist numbers, as you said these are hamas numbers, figures 200 276, and we regret the loss of life. we always, when there s an opportunity and there s an option, we want this civilian population, we hope that they re not going to stay in harm s way, but you re not denying obviously innocent lives were also lost as a result are you soon i assume, yes. and i regret it and i it s a tragedy, but we cannot i mean, if we don t put the blame on hamas, we are helping and advancing their strategy because otherwise, other terrorists, we are going to use the same strategy in many other countries. if you can abduct innocent civilians and then hold them in civilians apartment and think that you have immunity. it s not going to work. we will never defeat terrorism. let s talk about what happened at the united nations today because you just mentioned in that security council the resolution that passed, it is the first time we ve seen something like this passed since october 7 happened in the eight months since the war happened, you are present for the vote today, but you didn t address the security council. why not? well, i thought that we don t want now to emphasize any differences. i know when sometimes when i speak, people are listening to me and they re listening to what they want to listen to so we preferred to lower the tone today as i said, we accept president biden s first of all, we respect him and we are grateful to all of his efforts and his administration efforts. we accept and we accepted the outline of the deal, but i have to admit we had our concerns about the way it will be interpreted by hamas. that s why we held an intimate dialogue with our american counterparts once our security concerns were addressed so we accepted the deal. you said you had concerns. this is a resolution calling for an immediate it s fire, ultimately a permanent one, and the release of all hostages. can you say tonight that israel unequivocally backs this resolution again, it depends on the interpretation because there s phase one, phase two, phase three, moving from phase one that caused, now for the release of the world on the than the women and the elderly that should be done by hamas. and then moving to phase two, that, then you get to the permanent end of hostilities, ceasefire. it needs to be it depends on upon an agreement that should must be achieved between the parties. one of our conditions this is not only the release of the hostages is also the future of gaza, and we cannot agree to hamas continuing to be the rulers of gaza because then gaza will continue to pose a threat against israel. but this still is israel s proposal. why can t netanyahu say right? he supports it well, i don t know what he said to secretary blinken today when they met. the fact that the fact that i wasn t instructed to speak out against the deal means that we accept the deal wouldn t it mean that you re supported. if you could come out and say you supported it. but i m i m saying here that we accept the deal. again, it s pretty much depends on the way it will be interpreted by the negotiators because hamas years let s say answer, you re saying we support it but you re not just saying unequivocally that israel does support it because the words are very important, because when it, when you say that, if the negotiations continues after six weeks, we need to continue with the ceasefire. so hamas can exploit this clause and continue with endless and me in, in glass negotiation, that means nothing. obviously that wasn t the meaning of president biden when he outlined his just to be clear, even if hamas comes out tomorrow and says yes, we accept this israel still wants to negotiate what it would actually look like to implement. all know, there s, if hamas accepts it and you listen carefully to what they said today. they said empty words, they welcome the resolution, but they still didn t say that they accept the deal. they know exactly what is the deal already? for sure they know the first phase, phase one, so they can say yes to phase one, we will see hopefully the release of the women, the elderly, the wounded. israel will hold its fire for six weeks and then there will be negotiations on moving to the second phase, which is the permanent ceasefire, but it depends on some conditions that needs to be negotiated. the resolution says that upon agreement between the two parties, the parties not only two parties there there will be other parties as well. we ll see what they what they say, ambassador gilad erdan, thank you for checking. ahead. rudy giuliani is latest mug shot after he just posted bail to de in arizona, but still spreading lies about the 2020 election. my next guest is worried about misinformation in this election, arizona s secretary of state will join us here with a new ai video that he created as a warning to voters the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president one stage two, very different vision genes for america s future. this cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max have heart failure with unresolved symptoms it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr cme a rare under-diagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you call your card pretty allergist and ask about attr cm, nine out of ten people don t get enough fiber. bennett fiber is the easy, gentle solution for every day. it s plant-based prebiotic fiber nourishes good bacteria in your gut, working with your body to promote digestive health with so many ways to enjoy benefit number is your fiber, your way? 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oh, my goodness. no. why not? i m very, very proud of it. there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history joining me now, arizona s secretary of state, adrian fanta and secretary, it s great to have you just for context for everyone, you are precisely the recorder and maricopa county. you are on the front lines of the election in 2020. so obviously you have great experience with what, what actually happened in the 2020 election. i just wonder what your responses to hearing rudy giuliani he say that he has no regrets about the efforts to try to overturn the election. there. well, first thanks for having me on and second, i stopped taking rudy giuliani seriously after the borat tape and so i m not going to countenance any of his lies further than they need to. he s been indicted and he isn t and it s an until proven guilty. and that s really what the process is that we re fighting for. we think the rule of law should be applied to every person regardless of their station and that s really, i think where it ends and i know you can t talk about the specifics of the case, but the other thing that he said there that caught my ear was he said that there was a tremendous amount of evidence and that there was an abundant amount of evidence. i mean, you oversaw the counting of the ballots and maricopa county, was there a tremendous tremendous amount of evidence of voter fraud from what you saw? well, i m glad you pointed that out because the 2020 election actually was the election where i was running for reelection and unfortunately the voters had a different opinion than i had and i ran the election. that was my own loss. and we know that the elections are solid in arizona. they always have been the people that run them have run them with honor and integrity for a long time. i can t say the same for folks who have been proven wrong over and over and over again. in every actual inquiry that has occurred. and so we re going to let the process play its way out and let the chips fall where they may, for these folks who have been accused. as you look ahead to 2024, you did something recently that is really remarkable. what you created this ai generated video of yourself, it looks like you, it sounds like you. i just want our audience to see this video that just as a reminder, is actually not real this is an impersonation of arizona secretary of state adrian fontes using generative ai. the video was created as part of the arizona election security and ai tabletop exercise for the media our goal is to make sure folks understand the capabilities of current deepfake technology and the dangers it poses to the public i mean, it s unsettling to see that, to hear that, to look at you right now in real life and i just wonder the fact that that can be so easily done, how much it concerns you about what election workers, election officials like yourself are up against. well, this is one of the reasons why we started engaging ai experts and training our own elections officials in arizona last december during a tabletop exercise, we want to make sure that our folks are as well prepared as possible that these things are not new to them. if and when they get used in malicious ways against them, or our voters. that is really what this is about being prepared for possibilities. we do all kinds of other preparations in election administration if we ve got delivery trucks, we ve got backups. if we have electrical systems, we ve got backup generators deployed this is part and parcel of the new reality in election administration and it would have been irresponsible of me as the chief election officer and arizona not to prepare my folks. it s just like when i was in the marine corps, you use the tactics and the weapons of the enemy to prepare yourself for the impending battle, hoping that that battle never comes secretary of state, adrian font says, thank you for joining us tonight thank you for having me. also tonight, we re tracking some vip stakes developments because one leading contender is revealing some of the questions that they are being asked by the trump team. including, have you ever committed a crime sirens are going off and the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die. and i thought that was it fallen earth with the liev schreiber sunday at nine on cnn her appointment and 30 minutes. okay one. remember, i don t want surgery from i do patreons contraction two, i don t want to wait for my contracture to get worse. three, i want to treatment with minimal downtime for i want to non-surgical treatment. goodbye. and five and if non non-surgical treatment is an auburn i ll get a second opinion let s go take charge of your treatment. if you can t lay your hand flat visit, find a hand specialist.com to get started that s rob. it s scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health central gives everybody a healthy foundations supporting your i m yours you did plus try centrum silver. now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. in the next 30 seconds, 250 couples will need to make room for a nursery. 26 people will go all this family. we ll get two bathrooms and finally, one vacation or we ll say yeah, i m going to live here that as a euphoria subsides, their realisation hits i can see the house don t worry, just sell and buy in one move when you start with open door. wow. oh yes start with an all cash offer at opendoor.com kevin bought the tape. i ll put it on my chase freedom unlimited car and i m a cashback on a few other things too dark with the sale system. all right. from deep step one more thing, the team hold it gets five minutes. gay cash, rows i like it. i ll break the clay back like a pro would chase freedom and limits. how do you catch? 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unclear to me, i still think it s remarkable less than the uncharted territory that we re in. you cannot work in the west wing. i could not have worked in the west wing if i d ever had a felony charge, yet, there s a very real chance we ll have a president overseeing the west wing who has 33 or 34 felony charges on him? yeah. that s a good point. i mean, what do you make of that question? have you ever lied, you know, kind of what this process is looking like for these potential confounders look, i go back to the voters. i think that voters actually care if there s this kind of history. and i think the criminal conviction that trump has had is going to matter. dad. i know there s some polling suggests otherwise right now, but i think it s going to matter in the end. so this actually is important because if, for example the process that they have says it doesn t matter if you ve lived are commit the crime. that s going to come back to hurt them if they say, oh, no, no, we must have a vice president who s never, ever committed a crime it kinda advertise is the problem with the top of the ticket. and i think one thing we can say for sure, top of the ticket dominates here in a way we ve rarely seen, vp is going to be so much marginalized compared to past races but this question kind of speaks volumes well and the question is also, does it affect the margins because that is going to be incredibly important in this election. and so when you, what i ve been talking to people and tell me what you ve heard as well. is that it seems like it s jd vance, doug burgum, and marco rubio who ve risen to the top of who s under consideration electorally speaking, who do you think would be the most beneficial to donald trump s ticket i haven t publicly stated any favorite. they come a strengths and weaknesses. i m sure if you come up with a list of seven or eight names they all bring their own positive electoral history and they have their positions on issues that might have more symmetry with a, an electorate. but that s ultimately up to the present to choose who he wants to be his running a bunch of races. you just read one here in new york. i mean, that is something that people take consideration. one for me, i think in 20241 of the best skills is going to be the ability to get into cities, to go talk to longtime democratic voters about issues that they care about. their are disenfranchised voters out there who aren t going to just come around and vote for your ticket? i ll be this saturday in detroit. i ll be speaking a few hours ahead of president trump. we saw president trump go into the south bronx. i found during my race for governor, as i was talking to asian voters and black motors and hispanic voters when you show up and you don t pander, you show up and actually talk to him about the quality of education in schools or crime, or mental health challenges, or homelessness and more on the issues there are these issues that transcend blind partisan loyalty. so ultimately if you haven t asked me what traits as far as getting out in campaigning and making a difference, i would say it s the interest, the willingness, the ability to get out, not just talk to republicans who may be already with you, but being able to win over the support of democrats, saying that you should be under consideration. you re going to say all right now i will nominate julie sure. that ll help my thoughts. the first to speak up for it has somewhat like good stuff in the cup the vp doesn t necessarily matter beyond what can you add that the top of the ticket doesn t donald trump need somebody who can be a monster fundraiser? he s lag joe biden. this cycle. he needs someone who can go and campaign independent of him. he is going to be tied up in courtrooms. he s gonna be busy who can go out turnout crowds, and reach voters who we maybe hasn t been able to. and then he wants most fiercely loyal to him. and this is the key thing. and you were somebody so you know this i know personally it s somebody who would not do what mike pence did on january 6. that s been a bit of aliveness test and some of these discussions, i think rubio and bergen make a lot but of sense i am kind of stunned though, that there s only really one woman and consideration and she s kinda considered the second tier considering that abortion is one of the top issues this cycle, trump s consistently been bleeding support with suburban women. and i think having a woman in contention would be a huge boom. i hear you, but i have to say, i think it s past that point for them yeah the first time in american history that a right has been taken away. the right to choice has been taken away by the supreme court. those people named by donald trump, having a woman as vp is not going to erase that. there s no way you can make that up. and i think the challenge here is none of these figures that are being talked about for vp are big enough. to really have an effect on the election. they re not going to win the swing voters over. i think this is a key thing. you just said, right? suburban women are going to determine this election right now, that s something that s gonna help joe biden in my opinion, and those swing states, who of these folks that donald trump is looking at for vp are possibly going to help to change that balance. i don t see any of them as decisive. trump has just two dominant and he has crossed the rubicon on issues related to women in such a profound way, vp is not going to say, do you believe any of those three names that could help with that? i mean, a marco rubio or any of those names that could potentially help with some of those voters are two seats. i think first the foremost, the most important trait we re talking about one quality a few minutes ago about winning an election november the most important trait is somebody who can fill the position of being president of united states and that really should be like the top three priorities of picking them. and there are talented people here. i mean, you mentioned doug burgum is a governor of a state and he was a wealthy the businessman and marco rubio is he s a good messenger and he speaks spanish and he can get out and communicate with a larger demographic. but if you go down the list, you jd jd vance, cia, he come comes on your show and you might ask him tough questions and he s ready for, and he ll give you tough answers and you re ready to go back to them and i think the audience likes to watch the back-and-forth there. there are talents by don t think anyone really is going to change the election as a vp of them are particularly presidential in my opinion, respectfully, and i can say democrats and republicans, i can say different or the same analysis for people in both parties these particular folks don t strike me as the person who s going to step in if they were ever called one dynamic though that i think i just want to finish. i just don t think it would be very interesting and valid. trump said, i m going to go for a really well-known, highly respected kind of crossover american figure, someone that people could see as their president. i don t think the people we re talking about here meet that standard. i just think that when you get to a vp debate and you get one shot right? there might be as few as one debates. one debate. and vice president kamala harris is onstage with that candidate, and you re talking about these issues related to the border or the economy, foreign policy and energy. and you re flushing qing out, not just your own positions as a candidate, but really the positions of your ticket and your party in a moment, there s someone there when mike pence arguably beat vice president commonly harrison. a debate in the next day, donald trump s stepped on the entire message at the end of the day donald trump s fatal flaw since he wanted 2016 is not being able to pivot to a general election. he s out there this week and talking about wind turbines and sharks and boats and sinking, not talking about issues voters, qarrah, always talking about rage and retribution. so you can have the best messenger out there. i think mike pence was arguably the best person he could have chosen navigated the trump dynamics in a way that wasn t better could i think i don t know that anyone s going to be able to bring him back to these independencies right? 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i think we are going to get a verdict tomorrow. i mean, it s not a complicated case. we only had four days worth of evidence. the jury certain lee knows what the issues are i don t think they have to spend more than tomorrow on this, but i think if they don t get a verdict tomorrow, you could be looking at a hung jury here because, like i said, the facts are not that complicated and the legal issues really aren t that complicated. and as we know, if it s a hung jury, they ll try to send them back in, like what we were speculating with the trump case as well. yeah. they would get an allen charge, which is a charge to tell them to continue to deliberate, but they ll also be cautioned not to give up their firmly held beliefs. so it s time for the sake of coming to a close. jurors light want to reach verdicts. they know they re supposed to reach a verdict, but sometimes they can and sometimes allen charge is working, sometimes they don t. i wonder what you thought because you re always we re always trying to get the minds of the jury. we don t know what they re actually thinking, but what do you think they took the prosecution s closing argument today not to pay attention to who is in the room. i mean, it was a pretty clear comment directed at the first lady jill. i mean to refer to people in the gallery are not evidence. i think that was the direct quote to refer to the first lady as people in the gallery. i think it could have been very off putting. you have to assume that the biden family and forget about what you think of joe biden, forget about what you think of hunter biden. i m sure jill biden enjoys a good reputation in the state of delaware. the rest of the biden family, it seemed like a little bit of a cheap shot. i think the prosecutors felt like they had to acknowledge what they perceived as the elephant in the room that you have the biden family there, but it wasn t inappropriate. they were all close family members, right? it s not like, you brought in political allies or people that you wouldn t normally expect, people you wouldn t have thanksgiving with? yeah. if you were the attorney representing hunter biden here, would you have sent the family million? oh, absolutely. i would have had the family that interestingly, i think i would have considered bringing the president there just for the summations now, you can t bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn t he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that s interesting. so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i m sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he s there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he s not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he s not there as the president of the united states he s there as the father of hunter biden? yeah. i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it s it s not great, but you can t read too much into that. yeah. we re not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to
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said maybe that s an undervaluation. credible. all right. thank you very much. nick watt and thanks to all of you as always, ac30, 60 starts now tonight on 360 real warriors and people don t. trump is now calling warriors, namely the violent mob that storm the capitol, keeping them on it let s take the difference also tonight, hundred biden s fate now in the hands of a jury, how the defense and prosecution did and making their case. plus the latest in a string of cnn exclusives on deck kids of sexual abuse, the coast guard academy. tonight of coast guard official breaks are silenced and says she was part of what she now calls a cruel coverup. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep romanness with something the former president has been saying a lot lately. and what it says about him. sunday as president biden was visiting the american military cemetery outside paris and frehse, marking the 80th anniversary of d-day and at normandy, donald trump was saying this there s never been people treated more horrifically. then j6 hostages. but those j6 warriors, they were worries but they were really more than anything else. they are victims of what happened all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that s what they were doing and then the police he said, going go in, go in, go in water, set-up. that was that s the former president of the united states sunday in las vegas. and just to refresh your memory, these are the people he was honoring, specifically the ones in prison for crimes they committed on january 6 or jail awaiting trial. and it s certainly not the first time he s called these people hostage. ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the horribly at unfairly treated very six toss ditches it s now part of his routine that recording. he standing and saluting four features him saying the pledge but of allegiance while these inmates, whom he calls hostages sing the star spangled banner and calling them hostages in november after actual hostages were taken by hamas reading a daring military operation in gaza after almost eight months of mental and physical torment at the hands of hamas. and we ll have more on that tonight. but those are actual hostages. trump would have you believe the january 6 inmates are hostages and also warriors and victims? he said that two victims he also claims were invited in by police. so they re warriors and their hostages and their victims. and they re also according to him, lovers the love the love in the year i ve never seen anything like it. there was also a loved fast between the police, the capitol police, and the people that walked down to the capital so stir that in with all the rest. and here s the former president is reshaping the attack on the capitol. peaceful protesters full of love invited into the capitol by police who loved them and return, but who somehow tricked them and made them victims, who then turned into warriors who are now being held hostage. let me introduce you to one of these man who s presumably a warrior and trump s size daniel rodriguez, this is his photo was posted on social media by username deepstate dogs. rodriguez was part of the mob that attack police with metal poles and bateson stolen riot shields and chemical spray. and in his case has stun gun. he attacked officer michael fan-owned with it, who later suffered a heart attack and traumatic brain injury rodriguez pleaded guilty like so many others have and was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison. his is one he s one of the people, the former president is calling a hostage. and it shouldn t come as a surprise that trump is unfamiliar with what a warrior actually is. casey is watching, here s one from d-day technician fifth grade john jay pinto junior. he waited through machine gun and artillery fire carrying a vitally important radio assured omaha beach, which he did despite being wounded once then again, making several trips back through enemy fire to get more equipment ashore until he was wounded a third time and died technician pender was awarded the congressional medal of honor posthumously. president trump refused to visit the same cemetery that president biden. so many other presidents have over the years. and according to his former chief of staff, from being corps general john kelly, quote in the atlantic, he said, why should i go to that cemetery? it s filled with losers had he gone, he might have learned what being a awarded are truly means separately the former president now a convicted felon, met by video conference today for a pre-sentencing interview with the new york probation officer, joining us tonight, former republican congressman and house january 6, committee member adam kinzinger, also seen an chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, congressman. first of all, what is your as somebody who is actually serve? what is your reaction to the foreign president calling the riders warriors and hostages and victims? i mean, it s. it s thick and disgusting obviously i think we have to be careful to not allow this outrage to just numb us like this really should be. and thank you for putting this at the top of the show. there should be at the top of every new show anywhere in the country at how agreed jus and terrible, this as they re not for years. the ones that went into the capital, most of them, if not all of them, have been arrested and tried. and interestingly, anderson at the beginning when they started to get arrested, they were remorseful. and then this right-wing ecosphere put their arms around them singing the national anthem and stuff and in that process can vince them that they were victims and have made them martyrs and heroes. this is not something americans that aren t completely sold out to the cult should be, should accept and we should have this be a fresh outrage every day when he does stuff like this, it s also entering andrew. i mean, i know some actual warriors. they re not people who usually view themselves as victims or just sort of helpless victims. very often, how dangerous do you think it is for law enforcement and andrew and the public when you are the former president gaslighting his supporters because i mean back in 2022, there was a guy of set about federal authorities searching mar-a-lago for classified documents. he was killed after trying to shoot his way into an fbi field office in ohio. it feels like du the congressman s point the former president just says this stuff and people just kind of ignore it. but i mean it has repercussions potentially yeah. so let s get the facts out first on this warriors claim. so as of january 6, 2024, which is most recent numbers, i could find, we ve got 1,265 people have been charged in as a part of that january 6 case 718 of them on that by that de had already gone into court. raise your right hand, sworn to tell the truth, then said i did it. i m guilty to the weather. it s trespassing or obstruction of official procedure or assault on police officers and others. so the idea that these people are somehow being held against their will for political reasons is absolutely absurd. and donald trump knows that s absurd. he knows it because he spent four hours that day watching the video tapes from behind the cloister walls of the white house in the warm embrace of his secret service security team. so he knows exactly what happened that day. he knows those people were rioters and its direction us and many of them have to their credit stepped up and taken responsibility for that. the thing that i cannot get past anderson is how many people give him a pass for saying absurd and sickening only false things like this. and you re right, these false hoods that he, that he throws out in front of his rallies and supportive it is for political advantage, but it comes with the cost of driving up risk to people in the system, law enforcement prosecutors, and others. and you made the perfect example. ricky schifflin, who was outraged by what he undoubtedly heard the president say after the mar-a-lago raid decided to take it out violently on the fbi s cincinnati field office, that could happen any day anywhere around the country to any fbi agent or other federal officer by somebody similarly misguided. also, i m congressman. it s just i mean, it s kinda it s just i mean, it s sickening that the former president basically saw this so the october 7 hostages being held by hamas and islamic jihad and others as a branding opportunity and i think according the washington post in november s when he started using the term hostages for the for those who have been found guilty of crimes on on january sales x and re-brand braise, branding them january 6, hostages. i mean, it s it s really worked it is really warped in that was various student view to notice is that he never used hostages until there were real hostages. some of which are still being held, some have been killed that are being held against their will. i mean, look, i m probably started with marjorie taylor greene two she she came up with some of that, but i think the biggest thing to take off of what mccabe said is we re all the members of the house and senate, including the ones who after january 6 stood up, lindsey graham, i m done with this guy. we had a hell of a run, but i m done you think of like marco rubio, all these people that know better, that just keep their heads down and don t say a word. this is threatening the very fabric of domain microscopy because all we have to have for democracy to survive is a basic compact that your vote, you can vote, your vote will count and the person that wins wins. that s what donald trump was tearing apart that basic contact contract. that is the only requirement for democracy to survive. and he is turn these people that violated the rule of law into martyrs. and by the way, if we don t have rule and law in this country, democracy can t survive either and he is just an absolute il, fit mentally flawed is probably the nicest way i can say it. former president and candidate for future president in america has to reject him. john, i know you have new reporting on the former president s meeting today or interview with probation officials, which is a normal part of this procedure. what happened? so today donald trump with his lawyer, todd blanche, over a microsoft teams connection, had this virtual meeting to prepare to assist probation department in new york city with preparing the pre-sentencing report that goes to the judge it was an unusual meeting in that present there was the commissioner of the new york city department of probation wanted to homes her general counsel, bridget hamline, and the probation officer who would normally be there by himself or with another officer who would do the interview. the interview was led by commissioner homes and to the official who was briefed on the interview afterwards told me that at all times donald trump answered the questions which were things about what are your living situation, any health issues family history, where do you spend more time? new york or florida? a lot of things that donald trump, but thank every everybody already knows. but commissioner home said these are the normal questions. we re going to put you through these questions they said he was polite, he was respectful, and that at the end of the meeting, he wished them well and ended the call with be safe and we just got speaking in new york city mayor giuliani, former mayor giuliani s mug shot from arizona authorities. he s been he was hard to get a subpoena. subpoena to. he found they finally did. this is his his his mug shot that s not the mug shot. will try to get it he s pleaded not guilty there to charges of trying to overturn the 2020 election results what what happened to him well, this has been an amazing rise and fall from a kind of prosecutor built on the image of thomas dewey going after the mom i ve been crooked politicians to a mouthpiece for donald trump as president. and then the lead counsel by the way, this is the mug shot that was another mug shot of his, which clearly he s gotten a lesson from that prior mug shot because this one is smiling at least that s right there prior mug shot was from the georgia cases. so now he s on his second mug shot, but he has he has he has hitched himself to the donald trump wagon, but he s also been through multiple breakups and divorces. he s lost millions and millions of dollars. he s in bankruptcy see his apartment is up for sale and it was amazing to see someone who was the face and the voice of law and order in new york city for so long and then the mayor for two terms, a law and order meir, be someone who s going on his second mug shot and who has been disbarred and barred from the practice of law in multiple places. endrew in a series of interviews over the past week, the foreign president has talked about, been asked about this whole retribution seeking. he talked about running. i am your retribution. he had said months ago. i just want to play some of what he said well, revenge does take time. i will say that does. and sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest, you know, sometimes it can look when this election is over based on what they ve done. i would have every right to go after them and it s easy because it s joe biden, but very terrible thing. it s a terrible precedent for our country does that mean the next president does it to them? that s really the question so in terms of if he is president using the levers of the justice department, the fbi, to go after political opponents in a second term. how would that how would he go about that? i mean, how how feasible is that? well, i think it s entirely feasible. i mean, it s it s interesting to me that across those interviews, interviews with people who are like dr. phil and others who are trying to get him to walk away from those claims. he soft pedals it a little bit, but then you get down farther in front of the rally crowds and really hits at home it s it is absolutely clear, said it many times in front of many different people. he intends to take the levers of power if he is reelected and use them for his own personal retribution goals, which in and of itself is so unbelievably offensive should be to any american than any american president would purport to do such a thing. can he do it? sure, he can do it if he follows through with the plan that he s already laid out, this 2025 plan that they ve talked about. you ll replace those folks insignificant positions. the department of justice and the fbi and other lawn federal law enforcement entities with flunky who will do whatever he says. the first steps in this process of trumping up charges against people baselessly and throwing them in jail could actually happen. i think it gets tougher when those cases start to make their way through the courts 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and pastor taking up three rows in court today have known the parameter you don t abandon your friends and family tough time in closing arguments, prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that no one is above the law. the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period, adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn t know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor, leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned her father s car to him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any the evidence of drugs, but why is reminded the jury hunter s former girlfriend, hallie biden, his brother, beau biden s widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it s time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician s trick, trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand pay no attention to the other one. he accused prosecutors of cherry picking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter s drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form lowell attack, two of hunter s former girlfriends who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018, he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter s car? and noted hunter was the one who told highly to file a police report for the missing gun after she threw it out hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case, a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will be back here at court tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. to continue their deliberations. it s impossible to say how long it will take them to reach a decision on these three counts? but i was important earlier today, and then we re also attentive as the judge explain the instructions page by page, line-by-line. these are of course, the rules that they need he to follow as they undertake this historic decision. anderson all right. thanks so much more now and how prison biden s handling the weight for the verdict and the biden family presence throughout the trial, including the first lady who went back and forth during the french visit to be in court with her stepson. cnn s mj leaves the white house for us tonight. what are things like in the white house as they await the jury? well, you know, the trial of the president s son has been an extraordinarily sensitive issue for this white house the president, and it is not a coincidence that the president himself has barely commented on the ongoing trial. we heard him, of course, make a statement at the beginning king of the trial thing that he loves his son and that he is proud of him for showing resilience as he has fought addiction issues. and then the other rare exception, of course, was recent abc interview where the president was asked whether he would pardon his son whether he would rule that out actually, and his answer, a one word answer was simply yes. he would rule that out. the president anderson has been really clear that he is going to accept the outcome of the trial no matter what happens. and that he s just not going to comment on his son s case as the jury is deliberating that, of course, is in line with the president s sort of broader view that you just don t comment on a trial file or a legal proceeding when it is still making its way through the legal system and i should just note that that is an important area where the president had sought to draw a contrast between himself and the former president, whom he has accused of trying to put his thumb on the legal system on an influence in a political way other areas and other issues at the former president has dealt with this. of course, the president has made clear he sees as being wholly inappropriate mj lee. thanks. much at the white house tonight, joining us now cnn legal analyst norm eisen and jennifer rodgers, also former federal judge. sure. shen lin norm what do you make of closing arguments? do you think he s gonna get convicted? i thought both sides did an able job in closing arguments. the prosecution hammering the evidence that hunter biden was using or addicted to drugs before and after this key october 12 two 23rd period. they don t have actual evidence throughout the day, but they have yes. and the judge in directed that you don t have to prove the de you have to show that hunter biden was actually engaged in using or was an addict around that time and they have him checking into rehab before and after the various witnesses. but anderson abbe lowell is a very capable defense lawyer and he leaned into that critical gap. and the state of mind question this has to be knowing. that means it hunter biden had to say on purpose, not by mistake i m not an addict. i m not a user. and lowell argues well, he thought he was not an addict at that time, and there s no proof he was using prosecution ahead on points not impossible. you get a defense verdict or a hung jury what, do you think? yeah, i agree. i mean, i think they ll probably get a conviction here. there s a very narrow path for the defense to win this. they really do have to lean into this knowingly and they can t prove it on these days, but prosecutors always say follow your common sense, right? like the guy has been in rehab, people around that time, there s these text messages it s about dealing and the hallie biden testimony about paraphernalia in the car. and so use your common sense, was that argument does that make sense to you that well, i didn t think i was an addict on that day and therefore, i signed this document, say i m not an addict. i think it s the only argument that the defense has a question is, can the jury accepted and i think contrary my fellows here, i friends here. maybe maybe some jury juror or more jurors who are sympathetic to what he s gone through and may have experienced something like that sometime in their life i m going to cut him a little slack and say well, on that day, maybe you didn t use so that takes care of the use. and as far as being an attic well, maybe that day he thought he d come out of it and was no longer an attic because he was doing better even if felt if he fell off two days later so they might have a basis to draw that distinction if they want to, in your experience on the bench, i mean, is it tough for juries to see past this is the son of the president or someone to be famous very tough, very tough. and the family is a cut one way or the other. i mean, just think, well, i think it could cut in his favor the families there. it s a high-profile family. somebody might indeed think that he s going through this because of that. and again, as we all know, it only takes one to cause a hung jury. so i m not as confident as my colleagues that there s gonna be a conviction here, but i wouldn t put my money on a non conviction either. you know, the prosecution is aware of this risk because the first thing the prosecutor said in closing was all those people sitting behind the defendant are not evidenced that s pretty unusual in my experience. that i actually has a little aggressive veto i mean, here are these people there to support him. lots of people on the jurors, the jury have had addiction in their families. and here s his loving family there to support them and they re going to point out of and be like don t pay attention to those people. i thought it was a little overly aggressive action, if anything, it could hide why it could have been it can boomerang because they re going to look over it when he said that, look right over at those three rows think about parents and sisters and children and all the rest of it. they could just override this if they want to know and there s also some breaking news in trump s classified documents. kids, judge aileen cannon denied the defense s effort to dismiss the indictment, but she also struck a paragraph from jack smith s indictment anderson this was a motion that the defendants had brought attacking this indictment every which way from sunday. they lost almost everything. and the question we should ask is, why did judge cannon for these relatively easy unexceptional challenges takes so long dragging it out. she didn t give one gimme to the defense it s one paragraph, paragraph 36. it has to do with what happened at bedminster that conversation about of the iran documents it s there as to give notice that the prosecution is going to introduce prior bad acts, but striking it was virtually or enough, judge and judge. judge, what what s going on? in my mind, i was pleased that she got this done so fast from may 22 to june content for her is practically speedy, so i was impressed that she didn t sit on this. obvious motion for very long. i have to tell you that motion is made in every case and it s never granted duplicitous snus multiplicities never works but they make it to preserve the record. nobody expects to win those motions. you do it to preserve so it didn t take her all that long to get this one done. i mean, given the history of other things, she has been delaying on our us surprised by the length. this thing is dragging out of in general in all the motions. but this motion was relatively fast. that s a good sign. maybe she s hearing us talking about her and she s getting her work done. who knows, but this i thought was relatively fast. and as far as that foro for be the similar act it is very clear that she that she is saying, but at trial, there may be a basis to offer this evidence, justice, and belong in the indictment. get it doesn t relate directly to the charge. jennifer, does this impact the the chance of this thing moving forward faster? i mean, the problem is we have so many outstanding motions that are complicated, time-consuming problematic seep emotions, the classified information, protection actin, and so on. it s just we re not moving forward in a way that it s good for going to trial. there s just so much should have saved those pages and all those words to resolve the other leg motions that she has on her show, she s trying to get one offer per desk. that s good. gentlemen. thank you. jennifer rodgers, norm eisen, thanks so much. i ve next new video that dramatic rescue 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forces, but they unleashed heavy gunfire searching for israeli hostages held by hamas a daring data i m rate that freed four of those kidnapped by hamas on october 7 and held captive ever since. it wasn t operation that took weeks to plan after receiving intelligence that the hostages were being held in apartment buildings inside the nuseirat camp in central gaza. on the way out from gaza. all four this is rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks and is rarely air force pilot involved in the mission told the jerusalem post, that is one of the hostages, noa argamani got into his helicopter, has units, quote, mantle of composure melted away the magnitude of the muscle helminths struck. then he quote immediately reported that the diamond is with us and in good health, some of the special forces were disguised as displaced palestinians and members of hamas military wing, eye eyewitnesses told cnn there were also reports of large gunfire after the hostages were rescued, at least 274 palestinians were killed in the operation, and hundreds injured. that s according to the gazan authorities who do not distinguish between civilian and military casualties the israel defense forces dispute that number, saying the death toll was under 100. i want to say thank you. thank god in israel, the families of the hostages express their overwhelming joy and having their loved ones returned safely after eight months in captivity. i haven t stopped smiling since my mug was returning to me now is work continues for a ceasefire and hostage deal with 120 hostages still held by hamas there are some theories at this rate, could be a setback it s a legitimate question. i it s hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we know exactly what it is that they re going to do. as secretary of state, antony blinken travels to the middle east to continue ratcheting up pressure on hamas to take the deal. he also isn t sure what 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debates, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max ahead of what could be an intense congressional hearing tomorrow involving testimony from the command into the us coast guard academy official there has resigned and spoken exclusively with cnn about what she says was her unwitting role in a decade hades long cover-up of sexual assault allegations at the academy. one, so per say, persuade excuse me, pervasive. it prompted a detailed report that was eventually kept confidential, even from congress. tells cnn reported it s disturbing findings last year. this former official tells cnn she believes top officials used her to convince victims not not to tell their stories to members of congress. it says she has proof sunless are potty has the exclusive interview they put me in a terrible position. how dare they do this to me. but he had me standing up in front of cadets for 11 years talking about honor, respect, devotion to duty where is there where s the respect to any of us? i m disgusted. shannon norenberg spent more than a decade as the sexual assault response coordinator at the coast guard academy, it felt like an honor to be there and help them with this thing that is so hard and awful difficult and awkward and the coast guard did tell me they were taking it seriously. i felt like they meant it until she says she recently discovered leaders had used her to lie to victims, making her an unwitting accomplice to a massive cover up up decades of sexual assaults at the coast guard academy. i have no idea that what i was telling those victims was not true. it started several years ago when norenberg was asked to take part in informing victims about a sensitive investigation code named operation fouled anchor. coast guard leaders had discovered that dozens of cases of rape and abuse from the 1980s to the mid 2000s have been ignored and covered up the attackers usually left unpunished. i got a phone call from someone at headquarters saying, hey, we want you to help out. they told me at that time that all of those investigations had already been done and that at this point, we were going to call everybody up and offer them an in-person meeting so that we could say we regretful all the things that actually sounded amazing. i took these to every single meeting. the coast guard gave norenberg talking points to go over with the former cadet s who had been sexually assaulted. an apology tour where they were assured their cases were supposedly being handled properly after all these years, members of congress and staff and dhs have been briefed on the general outline of the investigation, what was found, and what disposition decisions were made. we assured them the hey we re handling this. we ve got this. we re taking this seriously. thanks for coming forward but it turns out actually the coast guard hadn t told congress, norenberg didn t know it, but the investigation was quietly closed. so the decades of assault were kept hidden from congress and the public until a cnn investigation revealed at all last summer, victims were never given any recourse. i trusted the coast guard implicitly and i assume that the talking point document they handed me was true i would never have considered that might be ally. the cnn reports about operation fouled anchor have led to multiple federal investigations congressional hearings in an apology from the head of the coast guard, we fail to provide the safe environment that every member of the coast guard deserves. norenberg says, after seeing cnn s report, she feared she had been used in the cover-up. she found the talking points in her files recently, which confirmed it and started to read it. and i was like, that s not actually that s not what happened. they lied to me they lied to us. they had me lie. oh, my god. they had me lie to them. and actually that s when i lost it because at first i was like, wow, that s crazy. the light and then i was like, wait they used me to. lie wow they planned it as far back as 2018, not to tell anyone about this. protect the precious institution. they be trade, the victims of fouled anchor over and over and over. this is my boot camp photo norenberg says she was raped by a supervisor when she was an army recruit in 1988 and says she knows how it feels to be told there s nothing that can be done she is resigning and going public about what happened. the public needs to know this is happening. people sign up to serve their country, and this is how they re treated like trash. it s not okay. in response to a cnn request for comment, the coast guard says the talking points were created months before the meetings with the cadets. and we re not updated and then another former a coast guard official who was present at the meeting said, no victim was informed that congressional notifications occurred. i want to tell the victims of fouled anchor how sorry, i am to be a part of this terrible scheme. but let me try to make it right now. and i m so sorry. i m so sorry sometimes diprotic joins us now, what can you tell us about this hearing tomorrow? yeah. anderson, the head of the coast guard admiral live. linda fagan, should we testifying before the senate intelligence committee tomorrow? so be talking about the change hinges that she promised to make in the wake of cnn s previous reporting. and she has repeatedly said that she wants to learn from the past. she wants to move forward, but shannon norenberg s account here certainly adds the whole string of controversies showing that this sexual misconduct remains pervasive across the coast garden and definitely under gore s, that this is far bigger issue than she has publicly acknowledged. and we certainly expect that she will get some questions about norenberg s accounting of all this tomorrow as well. for friday. thank you so much. next to independent presidential candidate, robert f. kennedy jr. are the latest on his effort to get on more state ballots. also, a fresh lucky 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the anti-vaccine group, children s health defense the 62-year-old typically votes for republicans, but he s attracted to kennedys anti-establishment message, ending the form was the financial corrupt sure within government agencies and the fact that we can t trust our government agencies to do their jobs because they ve been hijacked by corporate interests. you don t think are government agencies can be trusted know why? because they re bought and paid for. i found a video rfk jr. on youtube. recent college grad katie zimmerman voted for president joe biden in 2020. but now she spends her saturday mornings tabling at farmers markets like this one in wahba, tulsa for the kennedy campaign he s coming to all voters and saying that if you vote for me, like you ll be able to afford to buy a house. first is i haven t necessarily heard biden say things like that, that appeal to me. if ultimately trump gets reelected how would you feel about that? i would feel really great about that if he was elected into office. but i i wouldn t necessarily feel any guilt because i was able to have a choice and who i wanted to vote for dog denticola is a long time democrat who never thought he would find himself lobbying trump s supporters. just switched to kennedy. what do you think this guy s go to 24. go watch reasoning you haven t even given him a chance because he doesn t ever which answer anyway, is it hard to convince trump s supporters to vote for kennedy? yeah, i actually just appreciate that he was willing to stop and talk to me, fed up with political polarization, denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn t worried about him taking votes from biden or trump a person like bobby kennedy, who is really a message of unity, a message for all people i think that s why he s going to actually pull a lot of voters from both sides back on deal s farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. if we don t make some changes, if find somebody who has creative solutions and had somebody we can trust, who wants to bring us together? we re gonna be in a world of hurt if it does rfk junior seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in
weeks. the israelis want a campaign. with lebanon even with yemen, we have seen the increased tensions. deploying troops and naval forces. none of that will stop until there is a cease-fire in gaza. s almost there is a line drawn, diplomacy on any of these friends continue. the biden administration s credit has been cleared. they don t want to see a war but it is not up to them as we have seen with the israelis on the hostage cease-fire deal as well. so i think the risk is extremely high. and lebanon is the war of another magnitude. thank you so much. . there is a lot going on tonight. the former president of the united states and presumptive republican nominee had a meeting with the probation officer today, which i guess is the sort of thing we just have to get use to seeing these days. we will talk about what may have come up during the meeting and how it could impact his sentencing coming up in a month. pennsylvania governor josh schapiro was going to join me to talk about one of the biggest political questions of the moment. how should joe biden and democrats be talking about trump s conviction and how much? we will start with the supreme court. in a mountain of ethics scandals that just got bigger, and just get bigger because of a woman named lauren winsor. in case you don t know who she is, she is a progressive activist known to approach her public and figures and pretend she is an ally, statements and then record her targets making candid comments. comments recorded by lauren winsor at the supreme court historical society s annual dinner earlier this month, the supreme court justice samuel alito offered his assessment of the political and ideological struggle in america. i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it is a matter of, like, winning. i think your probably right. on one side of the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but it s difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. so it s not like you can split the difference. one side or the other is going to win. now heard in a vacuum by someone, those comments may not seem particularly striking. but remember samuel alito is one of nine justices on the supreme court. the highest court in our country. it is supposed to conduct itself with utmost fairness and impartiality in interpreting our constitution and adjudicating the laws. and one of the justices, samuel alito, you just heard him, as telling a stranger at a crowded event, that he believes that one political side is going to win. that there is no place for compromised. and for anyone who has followed samuel alito s time on the court, there is no secret to what side the justice firm and thinks he is on. look at the past few weeks. he has refused to recuse himself from a generous six case in the trump immunity case sitting before the court currently. even after reports that his homes displayed flights with right wing political symbolism including an upside down american flag in the days after january 6th. samuel alito, who built a reputation over the course of years, has been tough on crime and generally unser but that it to criminal defendants and also has a newfound empathy for generally six defendants of all people and donald trump. during or go arguments in two cases. take for example, the case of a january 6th defendant. sim allele used costumes the justice department to question people in the capital attack. he suggested that if the court does not intervene, prosecutors could seek to use it against people involved in these will demonstrations like those that take place in a courtroom from time to time. but the protest is clearly not at all same as people are smashing windows and doors to invade the capital and causing members of congress and the republican vice president of the united states to flee for their lives. in the face of multiple ethics scandals, we have been talking about involving undisclosed gifts from her publican mega- donors to members of the supreme court, samuel alito has been unapologetic telling the wall street journal late last year that the quote no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court period. look, fairness and impartiality in both appearance and action are the principles judges are supposed to follow. especially in the highest court of the land. and at least at some point, samuel alito knew that. take a listen to an answer from his confirmation hearing back in 2006. to believe there is any room for a judge s own value or personal beliefs when he or she interprets the constitution? judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution. and for that matter, into the interpretation of statutes. that is not the job we are given. that is not the authority we are given. that is not the authority we are given. it is not the job we are given. alito knows or at least knew then what his job entailed. and despite all the actions and statements, he also apparently can t stand those who claim he is not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. but saying or implying that the court is becoming an illegitimate institution or questioning our integrity cross is an important line. see, justice alito wants to be revered as an impartial judge. just call balls and strikes as they are supposed to. but as this new tape and his time on the bench have shown, especially over the last several weeks and months, he is actually more of a player, actively engaged in one side s struggle to win. so is giving us every reason to expect this from him, given all the actions. it also doesn t mean it is something we should or need to accept. this is the former president of the naacp legal defense fund and joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking. but as i listen to these tapes today, i wanted to know, what is share anable thinking. we talk to a becoming two things. how big of a deal is this? i think it s a big deal. i think it s a big deal in the cumulative sense and as you point out in your opening, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air that is surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen all these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision. we heard him in very similar ways. what is it that is disturbing about this particular excerpt of the conversation? i think there are two things. one, i think is the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who he did know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it is when she said that we have to work to move this country back toward godliness. and he said, i agree with you. to me, that is just a very shocking statement. i don t think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest that he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and that we need to return to some period in which things were more moral pick and he was agreeing with her. i don t know what period they were referring to. were they referring to a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk about keeping black people out of schools? what was the time period? i think the reason this is important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard. and justice alito refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. said it is because a reasonable person, knowing all the facts of that is what he said about the flight controversy. but when we probe, we realize we don t know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily that accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave us a timeline that is not up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice was not impartial and that is the standard for recusal. but we will never get there unless parties actually file motions to recuse and that is i am hoping that this will show the united states, which is the party and the trump privilege case and others, that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal practice and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices we are not going to get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they won t do it. we need to get really serious. and of course we need hearing from the senate judiciary committee so we can get to the bottom of this. it is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming. and it is not a legitimate question the legitimacy of the court we have had this barrage of across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. one of the things that was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. what he blames it on. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today. he said this in 2023. and then talk to you about it on the other side. it is easy to blame the media. but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. it is pretty rich, given his actions in his own words. it is not the first time he blame somebody else. his wife. everyone attacking him. what is that about? you were talking about accountability. people watching, what should they be doing if they are just outraged about this as well? i find this just really mortifying. and embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas as well when he talks about the nastiness in washington d.c. and we hear it with alito. it is the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no, it is the supreme court that eroded trust in the supreme court. in this kind of teenage refusal to take responsibility for their own actions is really incredibly alarming and disturbing and i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running in institution and something extraordinary happens and like what happened in the dobbs case, which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, and a decision was leaked out to the public, i wouldn t just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what i created or what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect. to look at themselves. why do you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? we know they are appropriate because he is making them now that he has been found out. this has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. in fact, the media has often been quite kind to the supreme court including around this flag issue which we had not heard about until three years late. it is not the media. these justices have to grow up and stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their own actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in here and when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much more weak than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. so we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court appeared to be honest with you, i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules that they have to follow. and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court and they should do so. we cannot blame this just on the justices. we can t blame it on trump. we can t blame it on anything else but our believes that norms were enough. they are not enough as we are learning across the united states government and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of our nation s highest court. a lot of homework, including for chief justice roberts. thank you as always for joining me this evening. really appreciate it. coming up, governor josh shapiro joins me live to talk about donald trump s promises of revenge. first, the nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it could affect his sentencing. christie greenberg is a former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me in 60 seconds. seconds. let s get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. today, donald trump met with the probation officer had of his sentencing for his 34 felony convictions in new york city. and the biden campaign cochair reminded me yesterday that this is one of those times where we need to pause and reflect on the extraordinary moment we are in. can we just stop on that fact. i will talk about the debate and a second. a guy that wants to be president of the united states first test to go sit down with his probation officer. that is just an astounding statement that sometimes people walk by. i don t think most americans are going to walk by that. he is completely right. we cannot just breeze by this stuff. trump s probation interview today happened virtually from mar-a-lago which is not typical. these meetings typically happen in person. but he is not a typical person who was just convicted either. but the interview itself is standard procedure for anyone convicted of a felony in new york. and one standard question trump may have been asked is whether he associates with criminals. you know, other convicted felons like steve bannon and oliver stone and his other buddies. we should not forget how extraordinary this moment is. kristi greenberg is the former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me now. thank you so much. you tweeted today. i will start there. that trump would try to convince the probation officer not to recommend a jail sentence. but you said probation should reject the argument. how does that conversation exactly go down during one of these meetings? i think what you probably saw this was just 30 minutes. a short interview. you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to try to highlight positive aspects of donald trump s character that they think or mitigating circumstances and things that they think will show he is amenable to supervision. so they will say, look, this criminal conduct which he denies, there is no victim here. but they need to look closer. we are victims. the american people are victims, not getting information that he was paying off a pornography start to make sure she didn t share that could have affected the election outcome. other things i think he will focus on are, i was the former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and you should take that into account. but it is also aggravating in the circumstance because he committed some of this crime like signing the checks to reimburse michael cohen right in the oval office. you could argue that. and he will point to the fact that he is a first-time offender. you know who else is a first- time offender? michael cohen, and he got sentenced to jail for the same conduct. allen weisselberg is essentially the same old one year apart. a lot of the factors that i expect todd blanche tried to highlight today in his interview, really it is going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the fact that the trial record shows all the gag order violations and to show he is not following the court orders and he certainly won t follow the orders of probation. a lot of things to argue. i wanted to ask you, i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning during one of these probation meetings. whether or not the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who happen to fall into that category. i presume he is going to say no. i don t know what he said but what happens if he does associate with convicted criminals? are there repercussions? there are. there if he were sentenced to probation, there would be conditions to that probation term. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. and so, steve bannon for example, is somebody that was convicted for criminal contempt charge and it has a trial that will start in a few months before the judge on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, someone who he has not pardoned because he is pardoned a number of his other criminal associates, for someone he is not pardoned, i would think he would not be able to associate. these are people that like we are involved with his campaign and that he would want to associate with. so we figure he will try to do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. quite a time to be alive, kristi greenberg. thank you for explaining this to us. that is always helping us to understand. i appreciate it. donald trump is not going to be able to append democracy on his own. he will need help. and a lot of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff and who has chilling plans for a second term. later, governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about all the ways the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. we are back after a quick break. so i can feel and see that my lines have gotten deeper just from a year out in the sun. i m still marie and i got botox® cosmetic. i did not want a dramatic change. i wanted something subtle. and i m really, really happy with the results. it s still me, but with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow s feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. they say we should stop eating so much meat. as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. so we made meat out of plants. because we aren t quitters. impossible. we re solving the meat problem with more meat. i bought the team! kevin.? 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every d.a. starting investigations right now? when donald trump gets elected, should he lock them up? no question. should there be a list of democrats that go to jail? 100%. it is a terrible path they are leading us to. and it is very possible that it is going to have to happen to them. in that description, as you just heard, it is all about karma. it is an eye for an eye. fighting fire with fire. that is the story they are telling over and over again. and it is one that far too many headliners are running with. as a near public had, in the media, the story tends to be framed as follows. will trump seek revenge for his legal travails or won t he? . it implies that he is bound to do to democrats what was done to him. you see, obviously, there is a big difference between what happens to trump and what he is promising to do to democrats or anybody who he is mad at. despite with the former president and his allies claim, trump was legitimately investigated, indicted, tried and convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers. 12 everyday americans. there was a legal basis and evidence for all of it. all presented during a six-week trial. not trying to hold people accountable for actual wrongdoing but reshape the american justice system and make it a political tool to go after democrats or anyone who has done trump wrong. political prosecutions were a major goal for the maga movement long before trump got indicted or convicted. i was reminded of this this week in. the washington post published an incredibly eye popping piece on the influential figure in trump s orbit that you might not be familiar with. for what it is worth, i had never heard of him either. the former director of the office of management and budget. and his name is russ vote. according to the piece, he is a potential chief of staff for a second trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist to crafted parts of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch a trump presidency. then back in september of 2022, before trump got indicted or enter the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying that the left to drive america into a post- constitutional moment. saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to throw off precedents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last 200 years. and their place according to the post, he laid out plans for donald trump to deploy the military for civil unrest and use more control over the justice department and assert the power to hold congressional appropriations. that is just on trump s first day back in office. let s pause on that. is not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wants to reshape the system for the purpose of punishing trump s perceived enemies. last year, he told the heritage foundation crowd that the department of justice is not an independent agency. and if anyone brings up in a policy meeting in the white house, i want them out of the meeting. here s the larger picture. outside of the week to week news cycle and the latest republican reactions, the republican line of fight fire with fire that you hear over and over again is really just cover. framing a plan to overhaul the justice system and executive branch at large. and by the way, this plan completely predates trump s convictions and indictments and what he had in mind all along. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro is standing by and join say next. we are back after a quick break. join cken, cr ies all wrapped up these wrapare amaz people can hear my thoughts? 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there is a trial and a jury finds someone innocent or guilty? or do we prefer a country where he president uses the justice department as his personal law firm? are we okay with the current system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws? or do we prefer a country where the president can just prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them? the election will be about a lot of things no question. but that is definitely one of them. joining me now is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. he was previously the state s attorney general. i m grateful you are here with me. i want to start with what i laid out in the earlier block. basically, this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing what they are telling supporters. simply fighting fire with fire. you are doing something with our guy and we are going to go back to you. but to me, when you look at the specifics of the plan, it feels like it is not exactly the right description. it is not just revenge but a plan in my view to reshape the system and go after their enemies. and last week, you said something that really struck me. you said i m scared to death if he is in charge with the system. is a strong statement. i want to see what you anticipate or expect. what worries you about what could happen to the system? i m deeply concerned by the system. it is why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge of the justice system or back in charge of the military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. kind of a cut and paste job, if you will. and a room with us well from my time as attorney general. he complains. he bemoans the fact that he lost and he makes up excuses and tries to pipit away from personal responsibility. remember, i was attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his cronies and allies took us to court 43 different times to try to stop certain people from voting and stop the votes from being cast. by the way, he went 0-43. we went 43-0 unprotected the rule of law and the will of the people. and now donald trump wants to come back. as he said, exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that that should scare all americans. it is another example of the kind of chaos he would inflict on the country if he was given the opportunity to lead this nation. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law and respects the institutions. donald trump has tried to undermine our faith in one another and our faith in the institutions. we didn t let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope and pray we won t let him get away with it in 2024. i will be doing everything in my political power here in pennsylvania to ensure he is not successful and the institutions stand and hold. let me ask you about something you just alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think people hear that and they think it is the reshuffling of the government and what does it actually mean? i talked about this influential figure apparently and trump residence world. and could end of being his chief of staff of for trump was reelected. who knows? this is a man who openly says he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i just want to ask you, what is the danger of that quick sometimes i think it feels like just bureaucracy in washington but it is much more than that. it is a lot more than bureaucracy. dangerous if he controls a bureaucracy as well. think about the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who didn t do anything wrong but are just his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with the products they are selling or the manner in which they are conducting themselves and to use the justice department to strip away people s liberties, rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts and essentially just have his way with good people of this nation. and it should scare the hell out of everybody. remember in 2016 ever donald trump won and then took office in 2017, he and most people around him did not know what the hell they were doing and there were still a few people around him that provided some guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people that might provide the guardrails are gone and a lot of the dangerous people around him know how the bureaucracy works. they know how the justice system works. they know how the military works. and if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again with those people around him, who want to do danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that is not the kind of chaos we want in this country. it is such an important point. it is the people that know how to manipulate and it is also the plans being written. a lot of the more online. keeping with the legal discussion here, i want to ask about the supreme court. at the top of the hour, we talked about the supreme court and specifically, justice samuel alito. and this audio come he agreed there should be a fight to return our country to a place of godliness. this comes after the reporting of a flag outside of his house that has been a symbol associated with january 6th and serious ethical scandals around justice thomas and a lot of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i just want to ask you, what is the solution here? remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away woman s right to choose. in order to make my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today then they were born with. so this is purposeful on donald trump residence part, to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people that have their own agendas. and justice alito, samuel alito, is showing his agenda by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. do you really want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito as opposed to the court or more clarence thomas is to the court. you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? remember that justice thomas wrote that abortion is just the beginning. the very fundamental reasoning or foundation or reasoning they used to overturn roe v wade could be applied in other ways. it could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love or undermine your ability to be able to go out and take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i really fear that this was just the beginning. and if donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again and put more of those kinds of justices on the court, it will not only set us back for four years but it will set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in the selection. and while donald trump and joe biden s names are on the ballot, this is a binary choice. and don t let anybody tell you anything else. there a bunch of randoms on the ballot that have no chance of winning. this is a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden. it is not about those two. it is the kind of country want for ourselves. it is whether we value freedom and care about our institutions and whether we believe we have to move forward to brighter days or whether we will go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and a reflection on all of us. and we have a responsibility to turn out and to get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we have seen on the supreme court and in the white house with donald trump and instead stand up for freedom and for fundamental values as americans and continue to move our country forward. before we let you go, i have to ask you about pennsylvania. you know the politics of your state. you know them extremely well. we have seen it. it has not been that long since the convictions. we have seen a little bit of impact in the polls. there are a lot of things that will be on the ballot and on voter mines. as you are talking to voters and knowing your state as you do, you think trump s conviction will be something that helps people to decide who are on the fence at this state? i don t know how that conviction will ultimately play out. i know the people of pennsylvania, they care a lot about four basic things. they want good schools. they want safe communities. they want economic opportunities. and they want their freedoms to be protected. i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who actually is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country and i think donald trump has to quit whining. quit trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than anyone before the in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than any other time in our nation s history. i have a message to donald trump and all of his negativity and whining, stop shit talking america. this is the greatest country on earth and it is time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. they understand we have a lot going for us. and we have time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. and not listen to the whining of the former president and instead, focus on a positive future for all of us. quit your whining. it is a good message. thank you so much governor schapiro. i always enjoy talking to you. i appreciate it. we will be right back after a quick b break. ack it himmune fight cancer in 2 different ways. opdivo and yervoy can cause your immune system to harm healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. these problems can be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have a cough; chest pain; shortness of breath; irregular heartbeat; diarrhea; constipation; severe stomach pain; severe nausea or vomiting; dizziness; fainting; eye problems; extreme tiredness; changes in appetite, thirst or urine; rash; itching; confusion; memory problems; muscle pain or weakness; joint pain; flushing; or fever. these are not all the possible side effects. problems can occur together and more often when opdivo is used with yervoy. tell your doctor about all medical conditions including immune or nervous system problems, if you ve had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, or received chest radiation. your search for 2 immunotherapies starts here. ask your doctor about opdivo plus yervoy. a chance to live longer. first, we did the impossible. then, you ate so many of the impossible that we completely ran out. and now. they re backk! the footlong cookie is back at subway! organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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( ) and enxtra for focus and clarity. centrum, powered by clinically studied ingredients. we don t even know yet how any americans will be moved by donald trump s conviction when it is said and done. it is only a couple weeks old. but there early signs that the verdict may be swaying some former trump voters. here s what we heard from some trump voters in a focus group. if they violate the law, then they should be subject to exactly the same rules that all of us are expected to abide to. pay the penalty for the crime. we all know what is going to happen. they will negotiate and he is not going to serve any time. but he will get more time on television. just to underscore, those are a couple of two time trump voters that are essentially saying, lock him up. the publisher of the executive accountability project and conducted the focus group he just heard. dan pfeiffer is the former communications director for barack obama. they are both joining me now. we only played one clip of your great focus groups but that was the two time trump voters that want trump to be held accountable it sounds like. did you get this sense, because the big leap here is the one who to be held accountable, but are they just turned off by trump? or the whale will they just vote for biden instead? or do we know that by your conversations? in this particular group, five out of nine of them, trump voters, five of them were going to vote for biden. i think there are a lot of people that think, somebody that voted for donald trump twice, it seems like a long shot to get them to vote for biden. but i think it is important to understand that for a section of voters who kind of held their nose and voted for donald trump twice and then saw what happened on january 6th, saw donald trump s claims and lies about the election, they were already pretty that was sort of a red line for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from and i hear this a lot from a two time trump voters who were upset. saying, i m not going to leave it blank. it got them to a place where they said, this guy is totally unfit to be in the white house. i will vote for biden, not because i want to vote for biden and not because i want to vote for a democrat but because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection, especially with the swing voters or the right. for them, you are not building it pro joe biden coalition but an anti-trump coalition. and as donald trump gets back into people s consciousness which is a lot of what is happening with the conviction, people are remembering, yeah, i don t like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters were before, they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they don t like about trump. it is so interesting to watch the focus groups and listen to you talk about them. you know well and i know well that they are big moments in campaigns. we have also seen the campaign sharpening rhetoric around the convictions. and there is a difference between what the campaign says and what michael tyler is saying and what the candidates say. when you look at the debate coming up, is a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to the voters and to base voters. what is the right framing of language? the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. and you also don t get in a situation where you would just call him a convicted felon as many times as possible and try to win on points. the conviction is the critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus group say we should be telling about trump which is that he is in this for himself. is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy to help himself and his rich friends and to bring revenge to his enemies. it was that exact attitude, that me first attitude, that got him in this trouble to begin with. you have to take the conviction. this moment that actually caused people to brave out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention to this race and then use that to tell the more broad story. you can do that in a debate over and over again and do it in a disciplined, calm falls way that is not allowed trump to drag you down into the mud. that makes a huge amount of sense to me. i wanted to ask you a similar version of the story. there are a couple of audiences biden has to appeal to. of these people you talk to and focus groups, is there anything president biden could say about the convictions that would turn them off? is there anything that is a trigger for them about it? when it comes to the swing voters, it is not just what he says but how he says it. for them, they want to see that joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. because this is where trump kind of wins often times. he has big lunatic energy that make him seem just more vivacious or more aggressive. and sometimes when he listened to voters, they get into kind of a strong framing where they are like, trump is bad but strong and biden is okay but weak. biden has to show strength. i agree with dan. you can t just say conviction over and over again. but he does have to go on offense. in fact, the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show that he is ready to go. i think it is not just the name- calling of convicted felons but being able to say, this man is unfit and i m good to go. and you have to show that and not just tell it. state of the union energy. it is about the vibes i m hearing. i wanted to ask you about you encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should find it and subscribe to it. we will talk about it next time. thank you both for joining me. we will be right back after a quick break. don t go anywhere! dangerous ladders. gutter muck. yuck. no wonder you hate cleaning your gutters. good thing there s leaffilter. our patented filter technology keeps leaves and debris out of your gutters forever. guaranteed. call 833- leaffilter to get started. and get the permanent gutter solution that ends clogs for good. they took the time to answer all of our questions. they really put us at ease. end clogged gutters for good. call 833.leaf.filter, or visit leaffilter.com today. with fastsigns, create striking custom visuals that inspire pride district-wide. fastsigns. make your statement. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you d like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga when we say it ll be on time, they expect it to be on time. turn shipping to your advantage. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways
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what to walk through this slowly so even the lawyers on msnbc and cnn can understand although i don t think they care but we do. the american people. you have in this case, apart from all the local issues and all of the rest issues involving federal election law. issues involving presidential election the highest of federal official in the nation being chosen. you have federal constitutional issues, first amendment, free speech the gag order yes but even more than that the idea a nondisclosure agreement violates campaign laws is not only falls on the law but that would violate the first amendment. the fifth amendment, due process and equal protection rights also conveyed on the states by the 14th amendment as they were ratified that amendment after the civil war the sixth amendment you have a right to counsel the cancel cannot be competent when they re endlessly being interrupted, sabotage cannot call proper witnesses, do not have notice of what laws are involved and so forth and so on. then you have facts. facts that suggest the timing of the case after the federal authorities rejected it, and local authorities rejected at this case was brought for the purpose of interfering in eight itfederal election. a federal campaign. in usurping federal authority. it was timed in order to create a very convoluted, slow appellate process within the state. so major issues could not be resolved because the proper length of the appellate court before the election. so this is an ongoing violation. now the question is whether donald trump will have to wear an ankle brace for that they ll have to get permission from a probation officer every time he travels to a state. whether his sentencings will be stayed in on and on and on. we are all waiting around for politically democrat judges to make decisions that belong in the federal government. this is fundamental. it is not just one instance these are multiple federal constitution and legal issues. they cannot be resolved by the state of new york. must be resolved at the federal level. must be resolved at the federal level the issues are compelling, they are overwhelming for this election in future elections for this republic how we elect presidents and for our electoral system. there has ever been a case that the supreme court should take up and argue would take up it is this case. it checks off all of the unconstitutional and unlawful activities that would trigger supreme court intervention. now i cannot predict that in advance the basic pushback i get from some of the lawyers who do not understand what they are saying is the court is not going to take it up. how do they know? the court took up bush versus gore. bush and cheney campaign or not waiting around for a final decision by the florida supreme court. said while i supreme court will not take up the case, they took that case to the supreme court but they were not even sure how to characterize their case as an emergency appeal the court accepted as written it does not matter. on december 84 3 decision florida supreme court ordered immediate manual recounts up over votes for the office of president and all county were such recounts had not already taken place they were changing state election law. there were chair picking counties out help gore and the bush campaign petition the u.s. supreme court fo first day of te recount order which was granted on december 9 treating the petition as it former request for review. the court agreed to take up the case bush versus gore. the florida supreme court was out of control for their interfering with the eventual electoral count in florida brother trying to deliver the race to gore. the justices, among other things, their flesh and blood. they are human beings for the shower like we did with the eat like we did they do other things like we do and they see what is taking place they saw this court was out of control changing election loss to advantage outdoor the supreme court knew it. oral argument december 11 bush s legal team asserted the florida supreme court exceeded its authority by ordering the manual recount under votes on gore s team contend the case having already been decided at the state level was not a matter for consideration at the federal level. in a ruling issued the following day the court found seven two due to inconsistencies and minute recounting methods the status of jim florida counting florida court order of a mental recount a mandatory violation of equal protection clause in the 14th amendment. by a smaller majority five for the court also ruled note new recount could take place because none can be finished by the safe harbor deadline the date set by federal law by which states were required to resolve any disputes regarding the selection of presidential electors in order to guarantee their final determination quote shall be conclusive and shall govern in the counting of electoral votes is provided in the constitution unquote the extent to which the court went. the stop the florida court was doing to stop that recount in the middle of the recount. to say that is unknown if your deadline has been met that is the end of it. in florida. it is far more extraordinary, far more extraordinary than anything donald trump and his lawyers to be asking the supreme court to do, why? these are federal law, federal constitutional violations. federal jurisdictional violations. by an acting state judge and a prosecutor, by two people. and it is ongoing. sentencing and other issues have to be decided by the local judge. and then the appellate level on the level after that but this is an ongoing violation. it does not matter w what the final court has to say. again if i m donald trump s lawyers i go through that process. but you go to the supreme court of the united states now how do we get to the supreme court of the united states? this is where people get bogged down. the arthe art writs and common . and it really does not matter which you follow here is a piece by former attorney general griffin bell would later become attorney general under jimmy carter. the southern methodist university l law school law revw the fellow appellate courts and it discusses what common law are a discusses it in the context of a specific statute that was passed as part of the original judiciary act in 1789. about to get in the weeds, we are smart and can follow this. the preemptory common law writs are among the most potent weapons and the judicial arsenal. common law writs are used, they are rare use more and more than the federal chain of courts. so, what does he say here? the basis for general judicial supervision over inferior courts if you are a federal court your extraordinary preemptory writs can be found and early, and allow the alt writs act as a direct descendent of the judiciary act of 1789. other than the supreme court which is created by the constitution everything else is created by congress but all of the other courts, the number of courts, how many justices are on the supreme court granted federal courts the power to issue extraordinary writs in aid of their respective jurisdictions for it while it is clear the all writs act authorizes the issuance of traditional, not writs of prohibitions the phrase all writs encompasses common law injunction subpoenas. do not worry about all of that. what that really means is there are many ways of characterizing this direct appeal to the supreme court and relaying the facts and what is taking place under the law to the court. in fact you can use multiple requests it says choosing the correct to obtain the desired relief is no longer necessary in the federal courts, different may be sought alternatively or cumulatively. the choice is not unimportant these subtle distinctions among the various have no effect on the relatively usefulness as vehicles for review. we are not seeking until lockard tory review at the federal level but in effect we are of the state courts activities. hello count before you finish on the estate side we have big questions at the supreme court needs to answer. the jurisdictional pre-requisite for application of the art writs act is simply it beat necessarily appropriate in aid to the jurisdiction of the issuing court the supreme court the company explain the power of the courts of appeals under the act quote the question of negative powers long been settled by this court presents a courts of appeals could at some stage of the proceedings entertain these cases the power and proper circumstance to reaching them. this is an expression of prospective or concurrent appellate jurisdiction, the power of the courts of appeals is not limited to cases where an appeal has already been filed. rather this power of review extends to all proceedings for the actions of the trial judge at some future stage of that litigation may be reviewable parade that applies to the federal chain but as i explained here, we have violations of federal law, federal constitutional provisions by a state court. now the supreme court, the federal government ever get involved in state court decisions? or state law decisions or state regulatory decisions? you better believe it. they are things called express federal which is what we have here federal constitution, federal due process rights. equal protection rights under the constitution applies to the state. federal jurisdiction under the federal election law under a presidential election and i can go on and on and on you have implied federal preemption. you have the states that are obstructing federal preemption of this litigation of presidential activities taken place before it gives the supreme court jurisdiction a states cannot regulate congress which is what it is doing and that court when it takes over authority for determining what a federal election violation is. that is important. the equal protection clause or the due process clause or the first amendment free speech clause about a nondisclosure agreement. federal court started with the supreme court of intervene in state actions before the civil rights issue, death penalty issues, bush versus gore a presidential election issue. you have federal jurisdiction issues and how are they used? the supremacy clause t of uc commerce clause that necessary because when it comes to regulating federal elections, especially presidential election congress has exclusive plenary power the supreme court has overall authority. you have an extraordinary radical extreme multitudinous case of a violation of federal law. whether it is substantive. whether it is processed. whether it is jurisdiction, this is the case. mia s is at first out of the gate i would file comment lot writs for a writs of prohibition that extremes a body exercising public power from exceeding its powers. it does not have it seems like this. you can file a writ of mandamus ordering a lower court to state their action while the court considers it. it might go if they writ a us or see your itchy argo and there s a statutory basis it does not matter. you have got to take it to the door of the supreme court they will decide whether to take it or not and if they don t, shame on them. because if there is ever a basis for what we call a common law writ, it is this. they do not take it in the trump case they will have to take it in the future because these dark blue states are not going to stop unless they are stopped. when i come back america s when i come back america s governor, governor ron desantis. -it really is both. -hmmm. the lexus rx plug-in hybrid. introducing new advil targeted relief. the only topical pain reliever with 4 powerful pain-fighting ingredients that start working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. there s news, and there s good news. like thousands of patients receiving free life changing surgeries, from volunteer doctors and nurses on hospital ships. all made possible by donations. we love good news. mark: welcome back america. america s governor, governor ron desantis. welcome. governor, if member of the house he been a governor for a while now you are considered a very, very successful governor. you look at joe biden. he has executive order he puts out he says i m going to fix the border. he destroyed the border. he signed over 90 executive orders and now he signed another executive order. we hear nothing is changing on the border. he not only violates the take care because of the constitution were it not only violates multiple parts of federal immigration law he lies, and lies and lies to the american people more that michael cohen. what do you make of this? ask mark when you re in the position of executive responsibility sometimes bad things may happen that are not your fault for their sometimes bad things are happening if you would have had some foresight you could have headed it off and then there are things that are the sins of omission. the border is a sin of commission by joe biden. he overturned the trump policies that is what has caused the crisis this did not just happen out of thin air it was manufactured and engineered by joe biden. the policy consequences have been disastrous you have highlighted people, i have highlighted people who have lost loved ones for criminal aliens coming in we know what s happening with human trafficking we do with the cartels are doing. then of course that just the sheer number of people you have a liberal jurisdictions but in the interest of illegal aliens over their own people which is outrageous. then you have the constitutional question that you cite. when you put your left hand on the bible and raise your right hand to take the presidential oath you are taking an oath to take care of the laws be faithfully executed. joe biden has systematically violated that oath. he has not lived up to the office of president duty to make sure our laws are enforced and even doubly so as commander-in-chief he has a responsibility to ensure and enforce the sovereignty of our country and he has not done that. and they have lied and 10, 20, how many millions of people it is had negative consequences on american society and in our country and in our sovereignty. then they re going to want to try to pull over the wolves over people eyes sink he is the one doing something for the border. he s going to blame the republicans and congress but the republicans in congress have made mistakes. i think they should have attached the border to all of these appropriations they refuse to do it. but the bottom line is this executive order is windowdressing it is a farce. you and i both know the corporate media s going to run interference for him on this for the rest of the election are going to try to act like the border is taken care of they re going to try to act like he solved the problem. first of all that is not true. second of all whatever happens between now and the election the day after the election he s going to open it back up again. we know that is going to happen it s really up to the american people at this point to put a stop to it. mark: you know joe biden likes accusing president trump of being a dictator, when to put people in prison. that sounds like projection, doesn t it? and on top of that he lies about so much. for instance he supreme court of the united states twice ruled against him. he has defied the courts, the fight a supreme court to supreme court rulings was talk about democracy and the constitution and the rule of law. then he lies and says effectively trump is going to do what he does. what do you say to this a president who is defying the supreme court who defies immigration laws? in fact defies a lot of laws when it comes to this country. what do you say to him? once you have two things one is, you are right this guy is a serial liar. on all host of issues on the border, on the student loans, even minor things he is constantly doing it. the difference is when donald trump was a president he would ve said something with her, out of place you d have 10 quote unquote fact checker from corporate media organizations trying to say that s not true they would do all this and spin this all up there with biden these guys have gone on three aand a half year vacation they basically let him do all of this stuff very rarely is he held accountable. often times an indirect await with just friendly fire. from the whole corporate press you have a president who lies constantly have a president who is not up to the job that is not something they don t want to talk about but on the constitutional question ease in violating the constitution with the student loan gambit. they had the statute on the books for 20 years and all of the sudden that can be used to have taxpayers bai of bail out people with student loans? if eight truck driver is taxed to be able to pick up the student loan of somebody who got a degree in gender studies, that is wrong but it s also not legal. he has not gotten congress to enact that policy do you know why? if congress voted to enact that policy a lot of them will get voted out of office is not with the american people want. he s a flouting the law in a number of different ways. one of the things that is frustrating is there s a lot of people who are apathetic out there about all of this and i do not think there is sufficient outrage and at how he has condud himself in office. mark: we will be right back. nee e and save hundreds on car insurance with liberty mutual. let s fly! 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(elevator doors opening) (inaudible sounds) i thought you were right behind me. only pay for what you need. liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. our daughter just bought her first house. all by herself. so we went to go see it. she knew exactly how she wanted everything. but then he pointed out the gutters. you think you ve raised them right and then she didn t know. you have to call leaffilter. leaffilter s patented filter technology keeps debris out of your gutters for good. parenthood is such a wild ride. it s a lot easier with leaffilter. join millions of satisfied homeowners. call 833 leaffilter today or visit leaffilter.com welcome to fox news live i am jon scott and new york b for israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu s urging to change his mind and rejoin the country s work cabinet. eight centrist a member resigned from the government earlier today over netanyahu handling of the war in gaza expect to do step down yesterday that plan was put on hold after the idf rescued four israeli hostages. he is leaving does not pose an immediate threat to netanyahu it means he will need to rely more heavily on his far right allies. former president trump is set to meet virtually with the probation officer for a presentencing interview tomorrow. it is related to his recent criminal conviction in new york. the interview will help the judge to determine his punishment. trump was found guilty as you know on 34 charges of falsifying business records. i am jon scott now back to life, liberty & levin. . mark: welcome back america with america s governor, governor desantis. is joe biden at war with working-class americans, with the middle class in this country? one 100%. think about when he came into office, what did he do? an unprecedented spending spree that is spark the worst inflation we have seen in the last 40 years. he pulls at grocery bills have gone up 50, 60, 70, one 100% since he has been president. their wages have not gone up that much. he also came in and tried to force covid vacs and mandates on people threatening truck drivers with losing their job and other blue-collar people he has allowed the open border and people working some of these states illegally that is depressing wages from working people. then of course if you look at his overall approach to energy policy, he is putting climate ideology over bread and butter economics for the american people. he wants you to pay more for gas pretty want you to pay more for electricity and he wants you to pay more for automobiles. mark, most people do not want an electric vehicle but most people cannot afford an electric vehicle and yet he wants to plunge us in that area. it has been a frontal assault on the middle class, on working people all in service of this bankrupt ideology and by the way, a lot of the big city mayors and prosecutors deserve a lot of the blame for the crime. but biden is right in there with them on wanting to put people back on the streets he supports eliminating cash bail he supports the soros funded proseoffendedprosecutors acrossy and incidentally, in florida we had two of them here one in tampa, one in orlando i removed both of them from their post. they are gone because they put their ideology and their political agenda over their duty to enforce the law. tampa people in their jurisdictions at risk. we are not standing for that in the state of florida. biden was to facilitate that all across this country. in fact you were sued when you fired that prosecutor and you won in court the other day. this is what i mean conservatives need to take risks i do not mean or reckless risks they need to follow their principles and take them through action. this is the one of the things you ve been doing as governor over, and over, and over again it s not enough to whine and complain and wring their hands and we are in positions of power we have to do things people look at your experience in your success as governor, this is what it is about i promise this, these are my principles i am implementing it we will duke it out if we are sued. let me ask you this, why does joe biden hate the state of israel? that is my view and hate the prime minister of israel he never talks down the fascist fundamentalists that run ironic. never talks about president xi and a negative way i don t think he needs knows how to spell kim jon owens name in north korea so it s a relentless war against the israeli, the idf against trent one. what is his problem? what sees a puppet to the far left in this country. he does not want to offend the far left tease he s virtue signg to them. those of pro- hamas people at columbia and harvard aren t taking over the campus for their taking over offices. that is joe biden s base. he s got to cater to them by attacking israel the pro- hamas people, their anti- semitic, anti- israel and that is what joe biden has reduced himself to comment to virtue signal being anti- israel all in the service of trying to scrape up votes among the far left fringes in this country. but what he is doing is not serving america s interest. israel is the only ally in the middle east that we can depend on through thick and thin. they re the only country in the middle east that reflects western values and american values. and benjamin netanyahu has been a tremendous friend to the united states. this is rooted in the biden s ideology and in his weakness as a leader he is sick cow child to some of the craziest moms this country has seen in quite some time. mark: governor, one last question. even that you and in europe has condemned iran for pushing out inspectors because iran is on the precipice of having a nuclear weapon. the biden administration was lobbing france, britain and germany not to rebuke them. they finally voted for it was prolonged of those countries wanted to do it in september. i run as going to get a nuke on his watch because he s not doing the thing to stop them. this is so bizarre obama was the same way and the obama nuclear deal was a total disaster donald trump came in and turn the screws on the iranian regime and that worked the room she on its heels they did not have cash coming in. they could not do a weapon they did not have the wherewithal to do it. biden comes out, floods them with cash their funding terrorism all across the middle east october 7 would not have happened had we had a strong iran policy. he is paving the way for iran to get a nuclear weapon and it is delusional policy but it s a double lead so given his democratic predecessor when vice president tried the same policy and that policy totally flopped. mark: it governor desantis home to think of her think of that in the state. i think you ve done in the country my best to you and your family. god bless you my friend. godspeed, mark. mark: we will be right back. sara federico: at st. jude, we don t care who cures cancer. we just need to advance the cure. it s a bold initiative to try and bump cure rates all around the world, but we should. it is our commitment. we need to do this. mark: welcome back america. i always love having victor davis hanson on the program s got this book out how you get it at amazon.com at any major bookstore and i strongly recommend it. victor davis hanson are the great historian i watched joe biden give the speech at d-day. went back and listen to reagan, his was nothing like there is despite the propaganda in that media i saw the cheap shots. i saw him talk about crane which is good in my view. even though we re spending a lot of money in ukraine he s holding back. hholding the leash back for the seam to determining military pulse in the oval office with a bunch of eggheads. world war ii and part two and the holocaust. many left and went to israel. even more than that give speeches like a black universities and elsewhere trashing the united states. think people in the audience do not have a chance but they have to work extra hard. i am watching him at d-day with great heroes behind him. who fought their lives on the line and someone died to defend an america joe biden does not believe in. emmett wrong about that? so you re absolutely right. as they are leading a group and just exudes how much we owe that generation. reagan was coming off a disastrous and was there in the lecture like biden he talked very softly. it was with a big stick. he had to increase the defense budget he restored deterrence. biden is coming off a successful administration a and the sending and talks loud of her he screams but does not have any sustenance to back it up he talks loud and carries a twig. he kind of yells or emphasis does not fit the somber occasion. reagan is as close to d-day as it reagan is to biden. this generation, the baby boomers he has a baby boomer as am i. you look at perspective we did not carry the burden. i am being candid in comparison to the people at omaha beach. look was sent to the military. recruitment is a weight down because people do not want to be treated this way in the united states military. what he did with the troops on the vaccine for a look at what he does on the budget for china is on the rise. the access is on the rise. russia, ironic, north korea, he does not act like it pretty screams about democracy and a russia and a war coming. is he preparing the american people psychologically? is he preparing the defense department? eight national security and so forth what s with this guy? works i do not know he speaks more negatively of donald trump in cap the country that voted for him they does the existenial enemies abroad for the only thing that excites him is when he says semi- fascist or hyper magna or super maga. he s done a lot of damage and people do not realize the we are borrowing $10 billion a day at a trillion every three months. we alienated you mentioned 45000 recruits and that is the demographic the white mail demographic accounts for that shortfall. the died twice of numbers in iraq and afghanistan and overtly or almost every in the country. that doesn t work. that is on top of the 8500 he drove out who most of them have natural covid immunity they did known to be vaccinated. this is a terrible record i think everyone is worried why that this is recoverable and what year or two or three. if he has another term i am pessimistic for the first time in my life. if we can recover from it. twenty-six oh we come back victor davis hanson how do you come back with all of those crosses behind him on d-day. all of those men the vast majority of whom are white and christian. and then the next day you re more than happy to give a political speech attacking the nation s founding. attacking the nations history. attacking racialized and everything trying to turn america against america. you stood there in front of these men 95, 98 over 100 years old to put their lives on the line. so many died that day and so many battles. not just of the civil war, world war i, world war ii and we go on and on and on. and yet lower yourself to the lowest most grotesque part of the gander and trying to get elected president of the united states for that is my question to you victor davis hanson. we will be right back. home inspectors, general contractors, roofers; all kinds of pros recommend leaffilter. why? 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works i get very upset. that generation is buried beneath the white crosses. they were eight wonderful a wonn if it was not for them they ve not had discussions on a race and the eia. they were a chain make a leak in this great chain of america. i m named after victor hansen who died on okinawa 1945 on may 19 and my father flew 40 missions on a b-29 over japan. they were wonderful people. they were not racist of the type of people who built this country the people coming across the border from all over the country for there not from europe they re coming to a country that was established by so-called toxic white mail founders but why is that? these white mail founders were ecumenical. that it wrote in the declaration all men are created equal the logic extension is that multiracial democracy they created it yet all we do is smear and label them. it is one of the worst things for a leader to speak ill of the dead and they cannot respond. they use modern ideas of morality to go back centuries and condemn them. demagogues especially when he does to the people in the military. you are the only commentary, mark, i ve ever been asked that. that is very sad. most people are afraid to even mention it. mark: it is very frustrating to me. i am jewish. this nation was founded on judeo-christian beliefs. if it was not for the christian majority in this country, i don t think the jewish people would have had a place to go where they could feel safe. and now you see fusion of the marxist islam a and the colleges and universities in the democrat party. which is threatening the whole foundation of this country. this demand, and joe biden just not speak against it pretty gives a speech or to his government does not act against it. and in fact he lobbies it in dearborn, michigan and other places of the country because he wants to get elected. he really is as donald trump says the worst president in american history certainly modern history. lexi is. all you have to say if you are guest from the middle east and you are on a student visa and you break the laws of your host, that is us. you re not going to be here any longer. you ll get your wish to go back to where you re came from since you want to go there anyway pretty always told us is a much superior place to live than where you are now. at if the college of presidents would say it we have rules, you broke then you are suspended for you are expelled. but they don t at stanford university they say if you break our rules and something might happen or could happen or would happen the logical result is a storm the president s office like they did this week and burglarized it. they do not understand deterrence simple deterrence it. if you say something follow it through and treat them if they should beach treat it as a break the laws of the country. mark: the brief moment we have can you think of a single speech in the united states that joe biden has given that is patriotic, that is inspiring, that is uniting to the american people? it because i cannot. because i don t think he can because he has a base of support and this new democratic party. it s not even a democratic party it s up radical neo- socialist party. their world view white males are toxic. anything he says about the past might be acquainted with the majority of white males. he can t say it and he won t say it. it s very ironic talks about privilege but no family has used his for greater privilege from themselves. yet he attacks the white middle class at they have privilege he enjoys. i really do not like what he does at all. think that is one of the reasons he is so unpopular now, so hypocritical. mark: he goes a place like the holocaust museum talks about anti-semitism. he has his foot on israel s throat cutting off armaments to mcgough s independent told this to me is the holiest site our government has. he viciously attacks half of the american people. i think this guy is an arsonist. a political economic societal arsonist. this election is our ability to put the fire out. victor davis hanson thank you for everything you do. it s always an honor to have you. god bless you my friend for a quick thank you for have me, mark. i really appreciate it. mark: we will be right back. e l. the three-row lexus tx. 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[music playing] welcome back america, when i think about joe biden i asked myself many questions but this one in particular, what exactly has he done for america. he and his family have gotten rich, they ve gotten powerful, he has the highest office in the land. what has he done to deserve to be president? is he inspiring, does he give great statesmanlike speeches, is he securing our country from enemies without and within. izzy building up her institutions, is he encouraging young people to embrace our country and learn our history and our principles? is he bringing peace and prosperity to the country? is he doing things about crime in the inner city that are effective, what the hell has this guy done throughout 50 years that has been positive for this country, nothing. nothing. i will see you next time on life liberty and levin .
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[thunder crackling] welcome to violent earth. i m liev schreiber. scientists say wildfires are more frequent and burning bigger. in the past, a 50,000 or 60,000 acre fire was considered big. these days, firefighters are often dealing with fires well above 100,000 acres. according to government statistics, during the 1990s, an average of 3 million acres a year burned in the united states. since 2000, that number has more than doubled. in 2020 alone, over 10 million acres were consumed. the experts say 85% to 90% of wildfires are caused by human activity. tonight, violent earth takes a look at this roaring force of nature, starting with the mega fire that burned through paradise, california, in 2018. [police radio chatter] kory honea: the camp fire was the deadliest and most destructive fire in california s history. [shouting] john messina: it was almost 200 days since we had received any rainfall in that particular area. the wind was very dry and blowing in gusts of 70 miles an hour. kory honea: the town of paradise at the time of the camp fire was about 26,000 people. alexander maranghides: a town built in the forest. there was a lot of vegetation, topography, wind, drought. all these things contributed to make this event unfold very rapidly. police officer: go double lanes! go double lanes! and very catastrophically. kory honea: the fire was caused by a downed electrical transmission line. camp creek road was the nearest named road to the ignition. and that s why this is the camp fire. tamra fisher: oh, this is horrible. oh, my gosh. oh, my gosh. these poor people. i ve lived in paradise since 1979. i prepared for years for this exact moment. i knew fire was was bad. i ve always respected it. tamra is my little sister. she s raw, and she s funny. this, too, could be you. tamra was not as concerned about the wildfires as i was. and that morning, i got out of there pretty fast. tamra texted me and asked me what was happening. and i said, get out, t. get out. paradise is going to burn down. but possibly, the cell towers were starting to burn in that area. i don t believe she got my text. tamra fisher: can we please get out of here? larry laczko: tamra had her three dogs in the car with her. tamra fisher: it s 9 o clock in the morning. larry laczko: she was recording the events on her cell phone. tamra fisher: i m really scared. and i don t got that much gas! she was stressed that she was not making progress getting away from the fire. tamra fisher: come on! just go! i m so scared! [honking horn] todd abel: these fires, it s very, very intense heat. ignite a tree without flame touching it. all at once, the tree lights up sort of like a roman candle. paul hessburg: and when a wildfire is really moving fast, it can burn five to 10 football fields in a second. it s millions of hot embers that can find so many places to ignite a fire. sometimes the winds are so strong that they are tossed up to five miles. brad elder: the drier it is outside, the probability of that ember is going to stay lit and the fuel that it lands in is approaching 100%. [police radio chatter] paul hessburg: paradise, california, burned from an ember attack from a plume miles away from paradise. kory honea: this is, like, 9 o clock in the morning, and it s pitch black. given the smoke, it almost appeared as though it was the middle of the night and it was snowing. ash and embers began to rain down. john messina: the fire was moving at a football field per second. and the way it did that, of course, was by jumping ahead and starting these fires. they would immediately take hold and rapidly grow into a 100-acre, 200-acre spot fire. that was happening all through town. alexander maranghides: that resulted in the town starting to burn all at once. 30,000 people were trying to be evacuated while being overran by fire. police officer: go forward and turn around. turn around and go north. turn around and go north. [bleep] this is bad. larry laczko: a firefighter told tamra to follow him down pearson road. cindy christensen: tamra was behind them. but the traffic stopped. tamra fisher: no! [honking horn] larry laczko: everything around her was burning. tamra fisher: look at that. cars on the side burning. and nobody was moving. tamra fisher: go! it s so hot. todd abel: these fires, they can be well over 2,000 degrees. they melt metal. they melt cars. and you can hear her dogs panting in the back. [dogs whimpering] tamra fisher: ugh! and her despair. tamra fisher: what did i do? come on! paul hessburg: the increase in wildfires in the current 21st century is exponential. california is seeing its worst year ever for wildfires. canada in general right now for this fire season. 33.8 million acres have already burned. brad elder: and we generally think of fire as bad because most wildfires are dangerous. mark finney: but it s very important to try to understand really the essential role that fire has in our ecosystems and the beneficial role. steve pyne: fire is not some kind of alien visitation on the landscape. fire has been on earth as long as plants have been on land. we can go back 420 million years and find fossil charcoal. these landscapes have, in a sense, co-evolved with fire. kristen honig: fires are good for the planet. they have lots of roles in ecosystem health. brad elder: there s so many different plants and animals that respond positively to fires. paul hessburg: the varied habitats come from the byproducts of a wildfire. the forests of western north america, including the western united states, need fire. they evolved with fire. what is new is the frequency of very large fires is increasing. steve pyne: it kills people, threatens properties and towns. they re essentially uncontrollable at scale. paul hessburg: wildfires are burning at the rate of 7 to 10 million acres of the us every year. this is unprecedented. it s getting worse. paul hessburg: we expect double to triple the amount of area burned between now and 2050. well, how did that happen? [music playing] [siren blaring, police radio chatter] karen davis: i was a registered nurse at feather river hospital in paradise. we received a code black get patients out now. and the flames were unbelievable that came up the canyon. my best friend, nichole, was also a nurse at feather river hospital. we worked together. karen davis: ambulances were not able to get to us. patients had to be put in employee vehicles. dispatcher: 10-4, chief, go ahead. karen davis: after we got all the patients in vehicles, nichole and i left following each other. steve pyne: 1910 was really the founding year for the american way of firefighting. reporter: the big blowup. a wild surging firestorm started near elk city, idaho. paul hessburg: the 1910 big burn. it burned 3 million acres across three states, killed 87 people, mostly firefighters. and our awareness and our whole consciousness about fire pivoted in that moment. reporter: this is a picture of tragedy, a tragedy that happens year after year in our great american forest areas fire. fire became public enemy number one. and wildfires were to be put out at all cost. steve pyne: and at that point, we almost militarized firefighting. kyle dickman: we were really good at it. firefighters could put out 99% of fires before they grew bigger than an acre. paul hessburg: and from about 1935 to about 1985, you see not much fire burning. and it made our fire suppression look great. steve pyne: and that was a very poor judgment. well, they completely misjudged the character of the overall fire scene. paul hessburg: what s happened since the exclusion of fire is forests have gotten denser. the forests of today look nothing like they did in the 1930s. there are 10 times even more trees than that on the landscape of the historical condition. and they will burn bigger and they ll burn hotter than they burned historically. and what we didn t know in those days and we ve learned later through research is, fire is medicine on the landscape, and it s how we can live safely. and here s why that s so critical. it was the frequency of the small- and medium-sized fires that blocked the flow of very large fires. you might burn out a patch in a forest, but the bulk of the force is still standing there. mark finney: fires that just burn underneath the trees, maybe some grass, maybe some downed logs. paul hessburg: so there s power in the patchwork to regulate how big and how severe the fires got. so fires would be rarely very large. so after a century and a half without fire, fuels have built up over many large areas to powder keg conditions. but the worst part of it is, we re actually building homes in the middle of this mess. and so when we get a large fire, houses and forests literally go up in smoke. and as the climate continues to turn up the heat and dry out the landscape, what we see after 85 is that area burned increases exponentially. and it continues to increase today. fires like paradise, the camp fire. alexander maranghides: the town of paradise had not seen any fire history in the past 100-plus years. paul hessburg: they re setting new records for area burned and structures that are burned. and it s because the fires are literally uncontrollable. police officer: i copy that. [honking horn] tamra fisher: i m scared! cindy christensen: tamra was beating on her horn, screaming to go, go, go, go. tamra fisher: come on! cindy christensen: nothing was moving. larry laczko: tamra was driving a yellow volkswagen beetle. somebody shot a video from behind her showing her out of her volkswagen. that firestorm came roaring through. it was unreal. her car was on fire. she was screaming for help. tamra fisher: help! cindy christensen: tamra was on pearson road. alexander maranghides: pearson is one of the top five worst situations in all of camp fire. the fire overtakes evacuating, gridlocked traffic. everything is on fire all at once. vehicles start catching on fire. 40 abandoned vehicles in that 6/10 of a mile. and this created a very, very dangerous situation. nichole s car was trapped with me right on pearson road. nichole jolly: that tree could come down on me at any moment. this is ridiculous. and i m stuck. [bleep] tamra fisher: oh, my god. it s everywhere. in tamra s video, you could see my white truck, and you can see nichole s silver sedan. people just sitting there. nothing was moving. tamra fisher: this is a [bleep] nightmare. just come on! oh, my god. karen davis: all of a sudden, i could feel my truck drop, which meant my tires were burning. and right in the middle of that, i heard a knock on the window. nichole got out of her car because her car had caught on fire. she tried to open the door, but the handles were gone from the outside. they had melted away. so she ran off. i had no idea where she was. [music playing] craig here pays too much for verizon wireless. so he sublet half his real estate office. [ bird squawks loudly ] to a pet shop. meg s moving company uses t-mobile. so she scaled down her fleet to save money. and don s paying so much for at&t, he s been waiting to update his equipment! there s a smarter way to save. comcast business mobile. you could save up to 70% on your wireless bill. so you don t have to compromise. powering smarter savings. powering possibilities. s greater than 100,000 acres, we term it a mega fire. some of the biggest fires are a million acres or more. big, hot fires create their own weather. suddenly, this really white cloud start developing. it was being made by the moisture being driven off by the fire down below. and in the most extreme cases, they have lightning, and they have rain. they have very strong downdrafts that can create very, very strong winds right down at the surface. paul hessburg: sometimes wildfires are so loud, associated with the wind and weather that the fire is creating, it sounds like a 747 flying overhead. tornadoes, they call them firenadoes, will happen as a consequence of these phenomenal surface wind speeds. woman: oh, my they move incredibly fast when they get up and go. and they re really quite horrific. mark finney: wildfires ignite from lots of different sources. steve pyne: before humans were around, this was almost always lightning. volcanic activity can start fires. that s a natural ignition, we often call it. steve pyne: humans probably account for 90% of the ignition in the united states and probably around the world. reporter: investigators say a wildfire near yosemite national park was started by an unattended campfire. reporter: power lines were blamed for starting 10 fires this year. violent and explosive wildfires in hawaii fueled by strong winds from a hurricane 800 miles away. reporter: maui locals have never seen anything like the firestorm that obliterated lahaina. winds of up to 80 miles an hour. erin burnett: tee dang was on vacation with her family. the flames so dangerously close that they were forced to jump into the ocean to save themselves. tee dang: it was just like a hot oven fire flaming, blowing at us. and then we started just huddling in and trying to keep our family tight so we won t get burned from the fire and then get washed away from the water. reporter: the lahaina fire is now the deadliest fire in the us in more than a century. reporter: this will rank as one of the worst disasters in american history. it s as bad as paradise, california, the deadliest fire from a few years back. larry laczko: that morning, when i turned on pearson road, i hit gridlock. we were just inching along when i came upon tamra and her burning vw beetle on the side of the road. she just opened her door. i heard tamra say, i need help putting out this fire. i told her, you need to get into my truck. but she seemed like she wanted to stay with the car. i know she had some treasured belongings. but she had to get away from that. tamra fisher: i m sorry, lucky. i m crying. karen davis: nichole got out of her car because her car was on fire. she knocked on my window. and she tried to open the door, but couldn t. so she ran off. i was dazed from the smoke. and i didn t know where she went. everybody was in a panic, just trying to survive. larry laczko: i did witness people running to a cal fire fire engine. we couldn t believe that they were outside. the temperature inside the engine at that point was probably around 150, 160 degrees. at some point, the outside of the engine probably took temperatures of 600 degrees. we started pulling people into the engine, as many as we could. but we just didn t have any more room. larry laczko: we were still trying to inch along. tamra fisher: [indistinct speech] [crying] and suddenly, out of the darkness came the headlights of a bulldozer driven by a cal fire hero, pushing burning vehicles off the side of the road beside us. john jessen: joe kennedy, he was able to get those cars out of our way and be able to open up that road and give us a means of escape. alexander maranghides: the dozer comes in, helps clear the area, and enables the first responders to escort the convoy out of harm s way. karen davis: that eventually saved our lives. i did wonder what happened to nichole. i remember it was so hot, my eyes and my throat were burning. i ran up the road. and i m closing my eyes because you can t see anything. and i touched the back of this fire engine. the firefighters looked at me, and they were like, oh my gosh. karen davis: and i later learned nichole was one of the people that ran into the fire engine. nichole jolly: the firefighters absolutely saved our lives. i waited all day for tamra. i didn t hear anything. i was so scared. if i wouldn t have had my dogs, i probably would have ran on foot. having larry open the truck door and tell me to get in and then said, bring the dogs, it was like a knight in shining armor. i got a text from somebody i didn t know, this gentleman, larry. i found out that he had saved tamra. i feel that i was in the wrong place at the right time. tamra fisher: oh, my god. karen davis: and when we finally did get through, it was like an apocalypse. tamra fisher: oh, my gosh. it s like you re seeing this destruction that you only see in, like, movies. it s gone. larry laczko: it s gone. tamra fisher: it s gone. look, that house is gone. larry laczko: yep. tamra fisher: and that house is gone. and to see that devastation, it was surreal. yeah, my sister s just right up here. it s all gone. cindy christensen: our neighborhood, our house, there was nothing left. nothing. it was decimated. we lost everything, except for the clothes on our backs. nichole holly: the flames engulfed the hospital, and the roof collapsed. kory honea: it consumed 18,000 structures. 15,000 of those structures were homes, places where people lived. karen davis: and i learned. the next road up from where we were trapped, that s where five people died trying to run from the flames. 85 people lost their lives. there s nowhere you can go in butte county where you don t run into somebody who was burned out of their home or knew somebody who perished in the fire. todd abel: all over the western united states, these fires are more intense. wildland firefighters are a big part of trying to mitigate these natural disasters. hotshots are sort of a breed of their own. kyle dickman: hotshot firefighters are crews of 20 people, men and women. desiree steed: they fight fire from the frontlines. kyle dickman: their job is to go anywhere in the country where there s a bad fire. and they ll spend as long as two weeks or three weeks on a single fire. i m a former granite mountain hotshot. it s really not a job. it s a lifestyle and career. kyle dickman: the granite mountain hotshots were a hotshot crew. came from the city of prescott, arizona. eric marsh was the superintendent of the granite mountain hotshots. a very meticulous man, very intelligent. and then there was jesse steed. desiree steed: jesse was the captain. so he was second in command. prior to that, he was also in the marine corps. he was tough, 6 4 and 220 pounds. always put his family first, his kids first. brendan mcdonough: jesse was a mentor, and he was a dad that i so desperately wanted to be like. desiree steed: he could handle all kinds of excruciating, backbreaking labor and work and actually enjoyed it. [music playing] todd abel: in arizona, june is usually kind of that month where everybody s hair on the back of your neck stands up, and we start getting higher temperatures. the relative humidity drops. the fuel moistures drop. kyle dickman: it was just perfectly primed for extreme fire behavior. todd abel: we start getting monsoon buildups, which sometimes throw out the dry lightning, which starts fires. the morning of june 30, the hotshots on the crew were woken up by a phone call. we got to go. we got a fire in yarnell. a lightning strike from a couple of days ago started multiple fires. it was about 500 acres. the reason this fire was concerning was that it was on a ridgeline above a town. todd abel: there was peeples valley to the north. and then to the south-southeast was the town of yarnell. i remember getting out of the buggy, and jesse was like, hey, grab grab extra water today. it s going to be hot. todd abel: there s different strategies in wildland firefighting. we use fixed-wing airplanes and rotor-wing helicopters to help reduce the intensity of the fire. then we can get our men and women on there, our boots on the ground i call it, to actually finish putting it out. [chainsaw buzzing] john jessen: most effective, especially when fires are larger and stuff, is removing the fuels, creating control lines. kyle dickman: what they re doing is they re taking away what the fire eats so the fire can t burn it. once you get to the edge of the fire, that s when the work really starts. yeah! ow! it s not just the backbreaking work of digging. digging, digging, digging for days on end. kyle dickman: they use chainsaws a lot. brendan mcdonough: you re removing everything for miles on end. so if that tree is 60 feet tall, you re cutting that entire tree down. it s not for the faint of heart. sometimes we do use fire to fight fires. kristen honig: using drip torches to burn the fuel in a controlled fashion so that by the time the main flaming front got there, there would be no more fuel for it to burn. and that would stop the fire s advance. todd abel: a lot of times, we ll do a lot of those firing operations at night, where we have better control over what that looks like. kyle dickman: so june 30, the yarnell hill fire is just ripping to the north. and the priority is to stop this fire on the northern edge. and we start hiking in. we were on the fire s edge. the flaming front was two to three miles long. probably had 20-, 30-foot flame lengths. kyle dickman: jesse steed asked brendan donut mcdonough to act as a lookout down in the valley below the ridgeline. brendan mcdonough: and i hiked into my lookout spot closer towards the active edge of the fire, and i m at a lower elevation. [music playing] i got the word from our fire behavior analyst that called and said, hey, we got some thunderstorm developments developing north of us. kyle dickman: thunderstorms are extremely dangerous to firefighters because they create erratic winds. and erratic winds create erratic fire behavior. todd abel: that s what changes our environment. and that s what causes our injuries and some of our fatalities. kyle dickman: it was a warning to the hotshots that by the afternoon of june 30, they could be dealing with a fire that was completely different than it was behaving in the morning. [music playing] kyle dickman: two things that firefighters pay the most attention to, fuels and weather. paul hessburg: weather is one of the ficklest parts of a wildfire. mark finney: aside from drought or dry conditions, the wind is probably responsible for the greatest variation. another aspect of the wind that makes wildfires dangerous is the shifting direction. the wind can be coming out of the west, for example, and suddenly shift to coming out of the north. todd abel: so thunderstorm developments, it ll push wind multiple directions. [lightning crackling] brad elder: we ve all been standing outside watching a front hit and suddenly get hit by this wall of wind. kyle dickman: what happens with these thunderstorms, they start to rain. brad elder: and that water is now falling, and it s pulling air with it. so we have this rush of air coming down, slamming into the ground and moving out in all directions. wherever that cell is, it could push winds from the north to the south, the south to the north. brad elder: if you don t know that s going to happen or know how it s going to shift, that s a real dangerous situation. [music playing] kyle dickman: june 30, the yarnell hill fire is just ripping to the north. kyle dickman: and the hotshots were down on the southern edge, what s called the heel of the fire, which is essentially where it started. they were just supposed to start building line up around the fire to make sure that it didn t escape. and late in the afternoon thunderstorm hit probably around, i don t know, 4:15-ish. kyle dickman: all this cool air comes rushing down, and it races out across this desert. and it hits the fire. and suddenly, the fire pivots and turns direction. it had been running north. but it turned and ran south. brendan mcdonough: that s pretty uncommon to see a fire completely shift 180 degrees. kyle dickman: and it began running straight at brendan donut mcdonough, the lookout. brendan mcdonough: captain jesse reached out because he could see where i was from up top. and so he called over the radio and said, hey, donut, i think it s about time for you to get out of there, man. move fast. and i did that. got a ride down. and so now this fire has turned around. my brother is on the complete south end, and i am on the north end, opposite ends of this fire. so the granite mountain hotshots were in what s called the blacks. the best safety zone, where fire s already burnt. kyle dickman: all they were doing is watching the burn. they can just look down and see this ominous scene. there s these black smoke. it s dark. and it s just all the colors of hell sweeping down this valley toward this town. [music playing] it became very clear that the town of yarnell was imminently threatened by this fire. we started evacuating yarnell. man: we just pulled out. yarnell is blowing up. kyle dickman: the granite mountain hotshots, they weren t doing a whole lot. they couldn t do a whole lot. so the hotshots decided to leave the safety of the black and move back toward the town of yarnell, where presumably they could do something to help the people that were soon to be threatened by the fire. and they re essentially climbing down these rocky cliffs into that canyon. and when they do, they know they re going to lose sight of the fire. they can t see the fire. and suddenly, the fire turns the corner of this ridge, pivoting and sweeping in front of them, fanning out into this flaming front. at exactly that moment, they realized that they are out of options. todd abel: it was moving so quick that there was no way that a human could outrun that fire. kyle dickman: suddenly, they come over the radio. and what he s saying is, we need help, and we need help right now. they re in trouble. brendan mcdonough: and i remember them trying to call in water. and that s when it became very frantic. kyle dickman: at that moment, nobody really knew where granite mountain was. todd abel: the last conversation i had with them was granite mountain was in the black and that they were in a good spot. no one knew that they had moved to the south end like that. they are forced to do the only thing they can do in that instance, to deploy their fire shelters. fire shelters are just these small, thin blankets that reflect heat. that s all they are. they are tents that you pitch up and you climb into. if you re deploying your fire shelter, it s a last-case scenario. that fire crew s in trouble. they re in trouble. a lot of things going through my brain at the same time of my heart being in my stomach. brendan mcdonough: the helicopter s trying to find them. and it s the smoke is just so thick. bravo 33: operations bravo 33. [music playing] kyle dickman: you have 19 firefighters standing in front of a flaming front. every firefighter on that fire, their jaws dropped and i m sure their hearts broke because they now knew that their brothers, their colleagues were in very real danger. todd abel: we launched some helicopters to try to find them. i absolutely had all kinds of hope that the crew was going to be fine. and i m just waiting on the radio and waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting. and i hear there s 19 confirmed. there were 19 dead bodies in the canyon. i can feel it in my heart right now and in my stomach right now talking about it. it was devastating. absolutely devastating. i remember just sobbing. every negative emotion that could be felt, i just felt in that moment. i remember walking in, and they re just everybody was crying. and we were told that they were all gone. kyle dickman: and this was the worst fire tragedy that had happened in a generation. todd abel: they were fathers, sons, brothers, husbands, the whole nine yards. they were good people. they enjoyed wildland firefighting. they had the passion for it. the fact that i can tell my children that their father died a hero has made a huge difference. they can be proud of him for everything that he did. kyle dickman: the nation was captivated by it for months. and they ended up making a hollywood movie no matter what you hear we ve got several aircraft coming to you. no matter what s going on we can t go back up there. stay together tell me when you hear the aircraft, ok? and look out for each other because you re a family. no one could be prouder of his boys than i am of you guys. and the fires that we fought when when we were young are nothing like the fires of today. they re really, really dangerous. and they re very, very threatening. todd abel: longer duration, definitely larger fires. how do you manage something like that? paul hessburg: in the western united states, the fire season is 40 to 80 days longer. in california, the fire season is nearly year-round today. steve pyne: the climate is is morphing in ways that enhance fire. it s acting as a performance enhancer. smoke has been carrying the fire problem to areas that otherwise are immune to it. reporter: smoke from those fires traveling more than 500 miles. it s philadelphia, boston, new york city, all the way to the nation s capital. paul hessburg: the air quality index just ballooned in many of these metropolitan areas. more people are being challenged by smoke-related injury to human health. reporter: wildfire smoke contains particulate matter, or pm 2.5. among the tiniest and most dangerous pollutants, it s able to infiltrate the lungs and enter the bloodstream and has been linked to conditions like asthma and heart disease. the need to do something is urgent. we have a lot of tools in the toolbox. one of them is using prescribed burning. prescribed burning is intentional burning to invite the right kind of wildfire back to the forest. there s a tremendous amount of science and skill that go into this prescribed burning. 99.8% of them stay within the line. it produces a tenth of the smoke. so the numbers are really good. steve pyne: some of these areas, we can go in, we can thin. not log, thin out. it s a kind of woody weeding. but it s the fire that matters most. if you do the thinning but don t do the fire, you re not really solving the problem. burning where you ve got residents or small communities embedded in the landscape around, very difficult. but almost certainly, they are going to burn. and if we don t do it in some way, then they re going to burn probably in the worst possible way. kyle dickman: it s like, you can pick your poison, right? like, you re either going to have prescribed fires, or you re going to have more big wildfires. [music playing] steve pyne: well, all this requires a political and social mechanism for us to come together and argue over differences in values, what we want public lands to be, how we want to do it. and we re facing the point where we simply cannot pretend that we can control all these fires as we would wish. [music playing] kyle dickman: we can only do so much to insulate ourselves from those tragedies. like, the way that the system works and the environment is changing, like, these are just they are realities. desiree steed: i want jesse to be remembered for his strength of character. he had a lot of integrity. he was a great dad, a great husband. brendan mcdonough: everyone s journey after the tragedy has been different. there s a lot to learn from it. for me, it s been giving back and, you know, paying it forward and trying to help people understand their sacrifice. karen davis, the nurse who survived the entrapment in the mega fire in paradise, california, says she lost everything in the inferno. battling the trauma from the flames, she decided to move to las vegas to be closer to her daughter and rebuild her shattered life. once there, karen continued her career in health care. she also decided to become a member of the henderson, nevada, community emergency response team, aiming to help others in future emergencies. a testament to her inner strength and resiliency. for more information on what you can do in a wildfire and how to combat the growing climate crisis, please go to cnn.com/violentearth. i m liev schreiber. thanks for watching.
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this woman said israeli forces killed both her sons in the raid. translator: i don t have anyone else but them. i only have them, she said. god is my witness. my son is 8 years old. the second one is 12 years old. children, what s their fault? we were shopping as normal, said this man. a little later we see helicopters, 20. they were close. after they were shooting down the whole place. they hit everybody, body parts, people, everything is gone. back in israel, this rare victory didn t heal the political fractures dividing the government. benny gantz, a former defense minister just announced his resignation from the war cabinet. he slammed netanyahu who he said was blocking israel from, quote, real victory, and he apologized to the remaining hostages families, saying the government had failed to bring them home. matt is joining us from jerusalem. matt, with all of these developments, what is the latest now on talks to try to free the rest of the hostages? hallie, despite initial optimism around the deal that it could be reached, those negotiations are still ongoing and secretary of state antony blinken is actually in the region this week traveling around and trying to shore up support for a deal. hallie? matt bradley. thank you. to our exclusive new reporting tonight about what s next after donald trump s criminal conviction, a meeting with a probation officer tomorrow. that s as mr. trump delivers a defiant message to crowds at his rally in las vegas today, his first since the guilty verdict came down. vaughn hilliard is there. reporter: tonight, former president trump turning the campaign trail into a defiance tour. vote for trump. we want a felon! reporter: on his first campaign swing since his guilty verdict since falsifying business records. the people are watching and they know a fake deal. reporter: speaking to a crowd of several thousand in 100-degree heat under the scorching las vegas sun, the former president s rally coming under the shade of legal setbacks. nbc news learned on monday the former president is scheduled with a virtual sitdown interview with a new york city probation officer, a key first step for his sentencing and potential jail time. the officer will evaluate trump s level of remorse, his financial background and mental state and provide a report to the judge to help him determine the sentence that he will hand down to trump on july 11th. they ve weaponized the department of justice like it s never happened in this country. trump publicly showing no regrets and over the last week he s repeatedly equivocated on whether he d seek revenge on his perceived political enemies. based on what they ve done i would have every right to go after them. it s a terrible, terrible path that they re leading us to and it s very possible that the it s going to have to happen to them. reporter: just this week, he called for the indictment of the members of congress, who worked on the january 6th select committee, and over the last year, he has called for the indictment of district attorney alvin bragg, who oversaw his new york prosecution. would you want him to seek retribution against those who brought these charges against them? of course. they should go to jail. if you re going to make false if i made false accusations, i d be thrown in jail in two seconds. he s not going to get angry. he s got too much to fix. he s not a vengeful person. vaughn joins us now from where that rally was. so vaughn, how does mr. trump plan to make his case to that probation officer tomorrow? reporter: right, hallie. we should expect the former president to hone in and focus on the fact that he has no prior criminal record. at the same time, he has also expressed no regret about any of hiss actions that he took that led to that conviction in the new york trial. hallie? vaughn hillyard, thank you. closing arguments are expected tomorrow in the historic trial of the president s son with new questions whether hunter biden might take the stand in the gun case against him. aaron gilchrist has more on what s at stake in a trial that has at times turned deeply personal. reporter: hunter biden and his legal team taking the weekend to decide whether he ll take the stand in his own defense. he ll be the last testimony jurors hear in a trial that s moved faster than expected. with jury instructions set to be finalized monday morning and closing arguments soon after the jury could get the case by the afternoon. president biden s surviving son pleading not guilty to illegally buying a handgun and lying about his drug use on a government form back in 2018. a guilty verdict could mean probation or up to 25 years in prison. prosecutors rested their case on friday after calling ten witnesses including hallie biden the widow of hunter s brother beau with whom hunter was romantically involved after beau s death. prosecutors played surveillance video of hallie throwing away the gun after finding it in hunter s truck. the government presenting a text hunter sent hallie around the time he bought the gun, saying i was sleeping on a car, smoking crack. prosecutors also trying to use hunter s own voice against him playing clips from the audio book version of his memoir. by now, i possessed a new super power. the ability to find crack at any town, at any time no matter how unfamiliar the terrain. reporter: the defense calling three witness, including hunter biden s daughter naomi. president biden and the first lady in france on sunday. visiting an american cemetery before flying back to delaware. the president answering questions about his son while overseas. have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes. aaron is here with us now. aaron, the first lady, you mentioned her. she d been at court nearly every day. do we know if she ll be there at closing tomorrow? dr. biden has only missed one day of court so far. we know she even flew overnight from france to be in court. she and the president just landed back in the u.s. moments ago, heading home to wilmington, and i wouldn t be surprised if we see her sitting behind her step-son again tomorrow. hallie? thank you. to a state of emergency in wyoming for the most popular tourist spots. after a landslide wipe out a key road. that could mean a big setback for workers and headaches for tourists visiting yellowstone and the grand tetons. dana griffin reports. reporter: tonight, an emergency declaration after a mountain road near the popular jackson, wyoming tourist destination catastrophically failed. this site has moved really for decades. starting thursday it started moving a lot faster. drone video showing the massive chunk of the teton pass that plunged 70 piece down the mountain. this eight-inch crack started forming thursday. by friday an additional ten to 12 inches rapidly formed. overnight it slid all of the way down. complete failure. reporter: this road connects jackson to towns in east idaho. 10,000 vehicles pass through each day, including families who commute to work and school. i m anticipating that my two-hour commute just turned into a six-hour commute. reporter: tourism helps feed davidan s family. he warns the collapse will impact everyone from workers to tourists. if they don t come the economy crashes here. we have to have the tourists. if you are a tourist, prepare to pay more than you normally would. reporter: 40% of teton county s workforce comes from idaho to support popular tourist attractions like grand teton national park, yellowstone, and luxury resorts. could this take weeks, months before people can start accessing that road? i m hoping to do it definitely less than months. we know how important it is to the economy of jackson, especially now coming into the summer months. we ll get it done. reporter: crews working to revive a vital transportation pipeline destroyed by mother nature. dana griffin, nbc news. we are getting our first look at newly released bodycam video of a huge house explosion in suburban virginia. first responders running for their lives and desperately trying to get neighbors to safety. here s jesse kirsch. reporter: this was the moment an arlington, virginia home exploded. first responders fleeing. i m here! i m here! reporter: and evacuating residents. police department! i need you to evacuate and move down the street, okay? reporter: watch again from another angle. authorities say this armored police vehicle was about to smash in a covered window, but the blast came first. these videos, newly released by authorities show a december incident that investigators started with a homeowner firing more than 40 flares into the neighborhood, sparking a standoff between police and the suspect, who did not surrender. arlington county police! stop shooting the flares! mr. yu! reporter: authorities identified the suspect as 56-year-old james yu, described by neighbors as an erratic individual. there was no nexus to terrorism, and there is no continuing threat to this community. reporter: police say officers evacuated the duplex s neighboring unit, adding that the home s gas was shut off as the law enforcement response escalated. come to the front door with your hands up! reporter: police eventually breaching the front door, and then gunshots ring out. [ gunshots ] soon after the blast which investigators say was caused by yu. his remains now confirmed to have been found at the scene. authorities otherwise reporting no major injuries despite that massive explosion. jesse kirsch, nbc news. still ahead for us tonight, a high-flying trash war with north korea launching balloons carrying garbage into south korea. how the south s now responding k-pop style, and traffic cameras now being installed on stop signs. why drivers say they go too far. s say they go too far. 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[ applause ] for a moment years in the making. i now pronounce you husband and wife. [ cheers and applause plenty of room for romance and a toast or two.] reporter: plenty of room for romance and a toast or two, including from global leaders. yes, those are the newlyweds invited to last night s state dinner with presidents biden and macron. but even on the world stage, there may be no alliance more powerful than this one. i didn t know what love really was until i met him. i used to think romeo and juliet was the greatest love story. i think our love story is the greatest love story ever. the best is yet to come. [ cheering ] the happy couple is now enjoying their honeymoon in paris. we wish them all the best. that s nightly news this sunday. for all of us at nbc, i m hallie jackson. thanks for watching and have a great week. right now at six, we are following breaking news out of pittsburgh. crews are at the scene of that brush fire near the stoneman trailad
on this new hour of diamond, a key member of israel s core cabinet has resigned. what does this departure mean for netanyahu s war on gaza? also, tonight, extremism on the rise, hate group surge across america and why are migrant family still being separated at the u.s. border and being left in limbo. here with is live, let s do it. we began with an important seismic shakeup in the israeli government. benny gantz, one of the three core members of israel s war cabinet and vitamin netanyahu s top clinical rival has resigned. in a press conference today, he said, quote, netanyahu prevents us from moving forward to real victory and accused his far right coalition of prioritizing political considerations over war strategy. last month, gantz gave netanyahu an ultimatum, present a plan for the day after the war in gaza, by june 8th, or else. it was one of the most visible signs of division within the emergency wartime government, a team of political rivals who had until recently projected unity. but netanyahu has not produced a plan for gaza s future beyond rejecting a two state solution and insisting on israel s long- term security oversight over gaza and the west bank. so gantz followed through on his threat to step down, delayed by one day due to the brutal israeli attack to rescue hostages in gaza. today, netanyahu, for a second time, publicly urged gantz to stay, posting on x, quote, israel is in an x essential war on several fronts. benny, this is not the time to abandon a campaign. this is a time to join forces. with gantz s resignation, it will not merely think netanyahu s government but it does mean that he now needs the far right members of his coalition more than ever to stay in power. already, the national security minister highly controversial figure, ben-gvir, one of israel s most radical nationalists and is now demanding a seat in the war cabinet. he is saying he was the power of his party to be given expression and not as it has been until now. gantz was asked today whether his resignation leaves the israeli government without any adults in the room. here is what he said. i was very privileged together with my friends to bring to the cabinet room all the experience we have. i know that the other people, mainly off-balance and they know it should be done hopefully they will stick to what should be done, and it will be okay. this is the biggest shakeup to israel s leadership since october 7, and comes at a critical moment in the war. a comp room hostage deal is on the table right now. the world is waiting for a response from hamas, but it is not clear if israel will also accept the terms outlined by president biden. netanyahu says there are gaps between the proposal biden described and the one he approved, and even ministers like ben-gvir have rejected it. netanyahu will make his case for what he describes as israel s just war when he comes to speak before the u.s. congress. we must ask, will gantz s departure result in real fundamental change for the war in gaza? the problem does not lie singularly with netanyahu but with israel s ideological and institutional approach to the palestinian issue, largely speaking. the policies preventing, for example, palestinian statehood and liberation are deeply entrenched in israeli society and the resignation from one so- called moderate cabinet minister will not necessarily change that. joining me now to discuss this ambassador alan pincus, the formal israeli consul general in new york and chief of staff are four is really foreign ministers and eastern africa studies on the council of foreign relations. he is also the offer of the book, the end of ambition, america s past, present, and future in the middle east. gentlemen, it is great to have both of you with us. ambassador, i will start with you and get your take on this is recognition. does any gantz is recognition change anything about how israel conducts this war in gaza or these talks for a cease- fire and hostage deal? high, good evening. it looks like a drama. it looks like a political earthquake. it is not but it does have the potential to evolve and do something very dramatic if mr. gantz resignation. which is according to most of his critics was related by at least five or six days months. to a large extent, any guest in decision-making and the cabinet was marginal. his ability to affect change in both the prosecution of the war and in developing and crafting a strategy for postwar in gaza was marginal. he essentially became an enabler. i think if you read stephen cook s article on foreign- policy yesterday, even the americans got him wrong in terms of thinking he is some centrist, even left of center. in terms of policy, he is a decent man. there is no malice there. he meant well when he joined the government. it was a time of emergency. effectively, he enabled netanyahu. he is complacent and he is an accomplice to every mistake, every strategic fluid assumption that this government made. now, in terms of how this will affect the war, it doesn t change the fundamental element, the fundamental parameters of what needs to be done. israel still faces a binary choice, except the plan or not except the plan. it sounds bizarre, i m in, netanyahu rejects israel s plan. it is like, you know. 1994. george orwell except that it is netanyahu s 2024. so in that respect, nothing changes as a result of his departure. stephen, there is an interesting element in his press conference, i should say, a fact that came out and that is he is honestly calling for new elections in israel this fall but that was somewhat echoed by chuck schumer here a couple of weeks ago. senate leader chuck schumer, the highest making jewish official american history demanding that netanyahu step aside and calling for early elections, as well. first of all, do you see that happening? what are the chances that the next reiteration of the israeli government does not move further to the right, if you do bring in somebody like ben-gvir or give more power to the more right of netanyahu elements in the government and society. there is pressure coming from the outside for a new elections, and certainly from within, from benny gantz. the other major figure in the opposition. but netanyahu, even with gantz s decision to leave the government has a solid majority in the knesset so he can stick it out as long as he has the support of his partners, the radical right. think of a. this government is likely to move further to the right, as a result. however, it is true, any gantz has played essentially a marginal role. now that you have ben-gvir demanding on a greater say in the war effort, that is likely to move things to the right in ways that are not good for the palestinians, obviously, and the israelis, as well. gantz poss resignation is actually quite puzzling to me and ways. if he is concerned with national security and israel, if he is concerned about the war effort, it strikes me that he would want to remain in the war cabinet and insert himself rather than take himself out and let the country continue its march to the right. and who knows what will happen. ben-gvir and most of us want to resettle the gaza strip. that is an ultimate disaster so it may be that gantz thought he could save himself but fight for another day and improve his political chances. but it leads to a suboptimal outcome for everybody else. what does that mean, stephen, for the united states in the situation? you got the secretary of state, antony blinken now heading to the region for the eighth time since october 7th. they are on the cusp of waking up to an israeli government that is more extreme and, as you just said, potentially calling for the resettling, the full reoccupation of gaza and the displacement, perhaps, of the palestinians. if you do bring in people, or not bring in, but to give people like into mark ben-gvir more power over the conduct of this war and gaza policy. i was perhaps the least optimistic person in washington when it came to a cease-fire anyways. and i am even less optimistic about this. there is no basis for agreement at this point. unfortunately, it seems, after all this terrible bloodshed, that the conflict is not yet ripe for a resolution and secretary of state tony blinken is going to find the same problems that he found on his previous trips. ambassador, your thoughts on what america should do now? as you probably heard my previous hours, spoke to former u.s. army major who resigned saying that america actually does have a lot of leverage over israel. perhaps more so than any other country in the region. he needs to step up and exerted to change course. as a diplomat, former diplomat, i should say. what you think america should do now as it sees this israeli government, and even just consistently moved to the right and to the extreme right with no fundamental change in policy, vis-@-vis the palestinians? in president biden s credit, to president biden s credit. he warned mr. netanyahu, the government was informed that this is an extremist government and then when mr. netanyahu instigated a constitutional coup in january of 23, it was followed by biden not refraining from inviting him to washington, to the white house for nine full months, and then the war rocha, et cetera, et cetera. so yes, the u.s. has all kinds of levers that it can use. it chose, until now, not to use them. and i heard your interview with major, and you made actually, you presented, submitted two premises, and you are right on both. both has letters and chooses not to use them, and, to a large extent, most of its lovers, because mr. netanyahu has been entranced and defiant and is actually seeking confrontation with biden. his plan right now is to try and stall and waste time and wait until america is sucked into its election cycle, full force. around september. and then he hopes that mr. trump will be elected. there is no question and there is no doubt about that. what the u.s. needs to do now is one of two things. it needs to do its basic calculus of how much our american interests being sergeant here. and that pertains to a possible escalation in lebanon and direct feed, rather than what the palestinians or pull out, meaning, you know, say to mr. netanyahu, do what ever the hell you want, but leave us out. which is obviously not a reasonable or realistic option. but what they can do. i know we don t have time. the u.s. can do and has not done until now is for president biden, not anyone else, not secretary of state link in, not national security advisor sullivan. for biden himself, for the president himself to stand out, stand up, and make a speech differentiating, drawing a distinction, a clear distinction between israel and mr. netanyahu and calling mr. netanyahu s bluff, if he believes that is going to be a blow. i don t know. will have to wait and see if the president is watching this, maybe he will heed your advice. ambassador, i noticed very late in israel. thank you so much for staying up for us. i really appreciate it. we appreciate it. we greatly appreciated. stephen cook, great to see you, as well. my friend, congratulations on the book next up, why a man dressed up as an exterminator started a hateful conspiracy theory that is spreading like wildfire ahead of november s election, then later on, caitlin clark left off with team usa. was she snubbed? 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first, thanks for having me on. i think it is right on target. what we saw after january 6th, 2021 was a period of time where you know, extremists kind of went into a short period of trying to regroup obviously the arrests and prosecutions had some substantial impacts on that world. but arrests and prosecutions aren t enough, and when you re not dealing with the root causes of the problem, these groups are able to kind of essentially regroup and then re- emerge even stronger. and i think that is exactly what we are seeing and what the southern poverty law center is pointing to. how does conspiracy theories play into the activity and rise of hate groups right now thinking about the harassment we saw play out at a migrant shelter in san diego. what led people to the january 6th insurrection, how is it that these baseless theories are resonating so much with people on the far right driving them to make these both online and real-life threats, even things like pizza gates that we saw several years ago? and menus, conspiracy theories are kind of a defining feature of extremist hate groups. one of the things that they do that is so important for them is that they offer a bridge of sorts and that conspiracy theories can reach a much broader audience. of course, we saw that on january 6th, in terms of the attack on the u.s. capitol. lots of different sorts of folks that ended up showing up by the thousands at the capitol that day. you had the proud boys, you had the three presenters. oath keepers, neo nazis, neo- confederate, a lot of folks that weren t necessarily affiliated with those groups. one thing they had in common is they all believed in this conspiracy theory about the stolen election. and you know, these kind of ideas are really, provide people a special sense that they are aware of things that the average person isn t aware of, and provides them with this kind of special knowledge, secretive knowledge, special insight. it really goes along with the idea, the that extremist groups offer to their adherents, that you re a part of a special population, special culture, special country, special race, special religion that is different and, quite frankly, superior to other groups. when you look at this record number of anti-lgbtq+ and white nationalist groups in 2023, numbering 186 and 165 respectively, why are these groups specifically, in your opinion, growing so significantly as they have grown? has there m.o. shifted and having this kind of hatred towards the lgbtq+ community? that is 18 many hot button issues that these kind of groups are good at identifying and then targeting and really spending a lot of time directing disinformation towards and propaganda and really trying to highlight the supposedly dangerous and risk a so that go along with, from their perspective, these hot button issues. immigration has been one for years, as well. and frankly, right now, they have at their fingertips, some of the most powerful technology in human history, in terms of social media platforms and the problems that you mentioned, the root problems that we are really not addressing, social media platforms, the lack of regulation around those. that will certainly be one of them coupled with national leadership that is helping essentially espouse some of the same ideas using literally, in the case of donald trump, the language of nazi germany to help promote these ideas. so they had these megaphones, whether it is national leaders or social media platforms at their disposal, that really empower them to a substantial extent. do you think that we have the adequate legal tools to take on these organizations x when you think about, as you were just mentioning, the issues of social media. it obviously rubs up against the issue of free speech in this country, that is always a find point when you re trying to go after these groups, he almost kind of have to wait until the free speech becomes actionable and they go out and carry out some kind of attack or potential violence. at which point it violates the law but up until the point of actually doing something about it, it falls, some would argue, under free speech. we have the legal tools the way that we have designated foreign terrorist organizations to go after isis and what have you? do we have enough adequate resources and tools to go after domestic terrorist organizations? i think we do have, i don t think a new statute is the answer, per se. i do think essentially utilizing resources that we have, being more aggressive, understanding that arresting and prosecuting is an important part of it, it is a necessary part of it but it is honestly not the only part of it. and then a civil issue, in terms of talk about the law. i do think that it needs some changes in that realm as it relates to social media platforms and being able to hold them more civilly accountable for the material that they are publishing and, of course, that means congressional changes to section 230. and i do think it is clear that social media platforms are not willing to take the kind of aggressive actions that are necessary to essentially cleanup their platforms. all right, professor pete sent me, it is a pleasure, thank you so much for joining us. i greatly appreciate your insights. thanks for having me. next, families are still being separated at the southern border. and why. and why. the best way to solve a problem is to keep it from happening. 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[sfx] ambient / laughing. last october, a peruvian family was taken into border patrol custody in the san diego area, during the process the parents were separated from their 18-month-old son, then released without him, according to a report from prison. if it wasn t for several military organizations that stepped in to help, that family may have never been reunited. they were able to track the boys whereabouts to a detention center hundreds of miles away, in texas. according to this february reporting from prison, legal advocates have accounted for at least 1000 instances of family separation across san diego county under this tactic known as street release, where migrants in custody are released without resources or shelter. at the start of his presidency, joe biden officially rescinded trumps zero-tolerance policy in the reunification task force that, according to dhs, has reunified 795 children with their parents, as of march. but despite those efforts, families are still being separated under a president who campaigned on a humane approach to immigration and strongly denounced the policies of his predecessor. now despite that, biden has signed an executive order this past week that drastically curtails humanitarian right to seek asylum. joining me now to discuss this, and more, is president and ceo of global refuge and a former policy director on the obama admin, and msnbc contributor who has done a lot of reporting on this and many other issues. it is great to have both of you with us. i will start with you, under a settlement reached in december with the families who were separated under the trump administration, border officials can still separate families in limited circumstances, such as if an adult poses a danger to a child or to national security. that didn t appear to be the case with the family that we just mentioned. to what do you oh these types of policies still taking place today? i think most people would be hearing about this now and still be shocked that this policy is still happening in this country? i think part of what we are seeing is a situation where policy does incentivize family separation. and that is true not just on u.s. soil but at the u.s.- mexico border, as well. when you think about even the new executive order, which exempts unaccompanied children, what that means is that a family that is fleeing for their lives, makes a possible choice of either allowing their children to travel unaccompanied across the border so that they can reach safety, or to remain in mexico obviously, families have experienced assault and far worse. in terms of the specific case that you are describing. i think this is where you know, there still some confusion on how policies are being implemented. we care for unaccompanied children and, obviously, it is horrific to see that even under this administration, we have echoes of what we saw as a real policy under president trump, which was essentially government sanctioned kidnapping. this report the site a difference between the family separations under trump versus biden, under trump federal immigration officials separated small children from their parents, whereas under biden, officials separated different family four nations, mainly parents and their adult children what does this say overall about our immigration system, specifically that these policies are continuing under a democratic president? is that just the result of vague policies and the lack of clarity as to how this should be implement it? or is it because there is something different at play here? i think what you re seeing is a biden administration that is falling into a political trap i do think we have to be very clear when we are talking about zero-tolerance, going back in history, that was such a dark chapter in our history, we had a trump administration that made decisions out of cruelty and made decisions out of the action of dehumanizing others. and here we have a biden administration that is falling into a political trap. over the last four years we have seen this admin that has made promises and that suddenly, it is shifting to the right. as you pointed out, ayman. i want to remember that the very very last week of the 2020 november election, the biden campaign released a video call separated. and in that video, just five days before everyone went out to vote, he specifically highlighted trumps zero policy initiative. he highlighted the cruelty. in here we are, just five months before the election, and as we have been discussing, he has been starting to sound and use language that does sort of remind us of donald trump. and at the end of the day, that is a political trap because the bottom line is, you cannot out trump trump when it comes to immigration and the border. what worked in 2020 was that humanity, as you described, anything that tries to shift to the right of donald trump is a failed political strategy. so to that point, krisher. makes a really good point with this flaming framing of a political trial when it comes to the issue of immigration. i do want to turn to biden s new executive order. any any time the seven day average of a legal border crossings reaches 2500 migrant entering the u.s. between legal ports of entry, with some exceptions, will be banned from claiming asylum and deported talk to me about how this is implemented. several department of homeland security officials responsible for carrying out the actions. on the condition of anonymity to msnbc, there is concern that the tension facilities across centers for migrants could quickly become overcrowded. what are you hearing about this and why? it is such an important question because for organizations like local refuge who work with asylum-seekers, the executive order raises a number of concerns. for one, there are very significant questions about its ultimate legality and enforceability. you know, the trump administration used the same authority to shut down the southern border and that was also really locked by federal courts. also raises some serious locations for asylum seeking families who are trying to seek protection because of these arbitrary numerical limits. i think the final important point is just understand that we know from trump era policies that were hard-line restrictions. they don t actually deter people from crossing the border. so we are perplexed by a policy that isn t going to actually be effective, that is harkening back to the trump administration, and i think it is a result of congressional inaction. but the administration could put in place a system that respects our border, but also respect our humanitarian and legal obligations. back in april, reported on how migrant women are being targeted by cartels as they wait and limbo at the mexican border to hear back about their asylum claims. i remember talking to you about it back then. how do you see biden s new order exacerbating this specific issue? i mean, as all of us know, the desperation isn t in there. what we are seeing is simply a more dangerous situation. what this means on the ground is that more families, their lives will be in the hands of the cartels. they will be held hostage. they will be exposed to sexual violence and sexual assault. many families will be sleeping in tent cities. many families will go hungry. many families will be repatriated to countries that are death sentences. many families will set a suddenly be staring into the united states at this time them, no matter the violence that they are facing, no matter the inhumanity, no matter the cruelty. no matter how many attempts there are by the cartels to end their lives, in this country, or try to make it harder for them to seek asylum. we all know that that desperation will only mean that these families will literally put their lives in the hands of the cartels to find other routes to cross into this country. that is what we are facing. a troubling situation for every one involved. thank you so much for the both of you, greatly appreciated. coming up, far right extremism spreads across israel, sanctioned by one of the country s top government officials. i have type 2 diabetes, but i manage it well jardiance! it s a little pill with a big story to tell i take once-daily jardiance at each day s start! as time went on it was easy to see i m lowering my a1c! jardiance works twenty-four seven in your body to flush out some sugar. and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, jardiance can lower the risk of cardiovascular death, too. serious side effects may include ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration that can lead to sudden worsening of kidney function, and genital yeast or urinary tract infections. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop jardiance and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection ketoacidosis, or an allergic reaction. you may have an increased risk for lower limb loss. call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of infection in your legs or feet. taking jardiance with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. jardiance is really swell the little pill with a big story to tell! it s never a good time for migraine, especially when i m on camera. that s why my go-to is nurtec odt. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. it s the only migraine medication that helps treat & prevent, all in one. don t take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. people depend on me. without a migraine, i can be there for them. talk to your doctor about nurtec odt today. what tractor supply customers experience is personalized service. made possible by t-mobile for business. with t-mobile s reliable 5g business internet. employees get the information they need instantly. this is how business goes further with t-mobile for business. from pep in their step to shine in their coats, when people switch their dog s food to the farmer s dog, the effects can seem like magic. but there s no magic involved. 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anticipated games of the season, the first wnba clash between former college rivals, and now start rookies, angel rees and caitlin clark. the most notable moment came in the third quarter, when chicago sky guard kennedy carter hit checked caitlin clark before the ball is inbound, essentially pushing her to the floor your average fan but what a cheap shot, it is also the kind of hard lay one occasionally sees in pro sports. regardless, the incident sparked hot takes galore across the sports world. with many mostly male commentators calling on league officials to protect caitlin clark. other reactions were plainly inappropriate. espn host called mcafee called her, quote, a white b word. he later apologized. the chicago ran an editorial calling a hip check to sold. the median meltdown is part of what the atlantic dubs the one downside of gender equality in sports, a movement in women s basketball means more commentary from men who don t know what they re talking about. join me now to discuss this is the author of that piece, contributing writer for the l.a., jamel hill. it is great to have you on the show. you know, so much to unpack here. let me start with charles barkley and other male commentators who accused the wnba layers of being jealous of clark s popularity, the carter foul seems to have supercharged that view. what do you think that type of criticism gets wrong about how veterans are treating clark? well, one, thanks for having me on. one, i think a lot of them and who are commenting, they seem to come at the same time, forget about how they competed if they were former players in the way that charles barkley was , forget about how they commentate and frame a lot of the story lines that happen on the men s side, whereas when men challenge each other, when a new rookie comes in and there is some kind of. were, of course, you have want to see how misses person really who they say they are, it is often considered a competitive and natural part of the game. yet, with women, they seem to reduce their level of competitiveness to something that is very triggering, particularly when we are talking about a leak that a 70% black. they go with these code words, petty, jealousy. making it sound like we re talking about a real housewives reunion on bravo. this is not what this is, this is a competitive fire. and naturally, of course, when you are the talent, the generational talent that caitlin clark is, there s going to be a lot when you come to the next level. the women in the wnba are the escalators of the world at their sport. it is a reason why the olympic team has won seven gold medals in a row. it is a reason why they are 70 and three and they haven t lost a game since the 90s. where did the thing is women were coming from? this leak. if they re that good that would me naturally for any rookie, there s going to be a bit of a learning curve where they can understand the physicality and the way the game is played. it is very natural in men s sports when you go from college to the pros, that in college, you can t get away with in the pros. that is what makes it the pros. but the men who commentate seem to forget all of this when it comes to caitlin clark. you bring up an interesting point. i do want to ask you about that. there has been an obvious racial component to some of these debates. carter and angel rees, who were seen cheering after the foul are both black. and people are talking about that and explained that point how does race play into the media s explosive reactions to the story lines? will this is a collocated question, and a complicated answer. so let me go back and sum it up correctly. okay, again, the wnba is 70% black. so the face of the caitlin, they made out to be black. one of the tropes, and many of the tropes about the black women is that there confrontational, aggressive, petty, jealous, all the things. so when those traits are ascribed to women in general, when people want to talk competitively about women. i think, in this case, particularly sticks because you have that object of black versus white. let s be honest, another white player had done, it would not merely have been as inclusive as it was. because you have the dynamic of her and angel rees, a black player and a white layer having a personal rivalry, it becomes racially charged by the optics. i m old enough to remember when johnson, when they were college rivals came over to the pros. a lot of what people talked about then, how their talents are characterized was based off racial perceptions in this country of both of them. i don t know why people think that this wouldn t be alive and well in this rivalry, but it is. and angel rees has bore the brunt of a lot of this because she chose to, you know, sorta be confident about the level of play that she has when they were in college. and listen, i don t agree that she should have been clapping when kennedy carter took her down but at the same time, within the context of a broader rivalry. they took some cheap shots at each other, that s what happened. again, it is interesting how the same things that are celebrated, marketed, and that fans love on one side of the game, a totally different gender, they are suddenly clutching their pearls on the other side. i grew up a little bit in detroit. i know very well what a violent or tough basketball game looks like. but to ask you about something you brought up really quick. we are almost out of time, though. the debate that was parked this weekend about caitlin clark being left off the u.s. olympic rascal team. some describe it as a snub. she is still a rookie, though. she s a two-time nieces mentor winner. has not included the standout rookie before or any rookie is before, what is your reaction and do you agree with calling it a snub? i don t think it is a snub and i honestly wasn t surprised. i thought this months ago. i think she is going to have a pretty hard time making the team. and that is not about her ability. i think eventually caitlin clark, i think this is almost a guarantee. about the transition, she went from playing college ball to play in a professional league within a matter of weeks, when they were holding the child in their camp, she wasn t able to play in any of that. she has some international experience but not a lot. she is at a position where it is a little bit tougher because you are a guard a little bit on the slight side. she is adjusting to the physicality where the international level is more. it is a very successful team there is a lot of people that do not get on this team and work this time around. and so i think if we just take the caitlin clark nests away from it and people will probably better understand the decision. like you said, the women s team is the most dominant team in the sports. it is tough to break into at any level, let alone your rookie year. thank you so much, greatly appreciate having this conversation with you tonight appreciate you. 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