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that are going to be the responsibility of the zelenskyy government. all of that creates the very open ground for shock troops. you have elite russian units that are going to cross into ukraine soon. i think this is going to go on for a while. our job on the nato side is to reinforce our nato borders, reensure our nato allies, do all we can to help the zelenskyy government, which may end up being a government in exile. so, many challenges ahead here. militarily, this is exactly what i would expect as step one of what's going to be i think a significant invasion. >> melinda, do you have any sense of the kind of fight ukrainian forces are putting up or at least what they're capable of? they claim to have shot down at least four russian helicopters. >> that's right. they've shot down helicopters and airplanes. we're still waiting for a greater update.
undermining the country? joining me now to discuss this is our sunday night paddle. melinda, deputy director of the councils. tommy nichols, contributing writer for the atlantic. he's also the writer of our own worst enemy. and molly, contributing writer for the atlantic. it's great to have all three of you with us. molly, i'll start with you. to discuss this kind of historic with what republicans have been talking about for the past couple of days, then being pushed out there by fox news, suddenly, they're trying to paint trump as this anti-russian -- they would tell you one of trump's biggest accomplish is that he undermine nato and the relationship. >> yes, this is an animation talking point. and i actually wrote about. it because i sort of saw it coming. trump has up until about five days ago, was raising putin and saying that he's so smart. he even said that putin was smart to, you, know sent troops
nato response force, which is tens of thousands of soldiers, sailors, airmen, tanks, kroops, warships. they're going to flood the zone along the borders of russia really for three reasons, chris. one is to send that symbol, that signal to vladimir putin. two is to reassure those allies who are along that border that nato stands with them. and thirdly, very practically, to deal with the consequences if there is a massive refugee flow out of ukraine, for example. so the alliance will be very active, doing all the things that vladimir putin doesn't want to see. and by the way, if i woke up this morning in stockholm, sweden, or helsinki, finland, i would want to be inside the nato alliance, not outside of it. watch for that move. >> so, melinda, talk to me about the impact of this war on the countries right around russia, for example, lithuania declaring
for them, this is fighting to retake their actual homes, not just defend their country. but you know, this is something that a lot of ukrainians really feel very strongly about. in a recent survey just in december a third of ukrainians said they would pick up arms and fight against the russians. i am not sure how that would compare to americans if they were in this similar situation, but that's a lot of people when you consider -- when you see the images the grandfathers and grand mothers who are picking up countries. i think this country is ready to fight. >> those videos were startling. let me bring in the deputy director the atlantic council's your asia center. we heard about the manpower essentially on the ukrainian side, melinda. what else do ukrainians need, particularly from the united states right now? >> thanks for having me. me need stingers. the u.s. has sent over plane load after plane load of defensive material. but the thing they want more
awful images to see, that will make a lot of people think it's just devastating. a lot of people think it's 'ust devastatingi devastating. melinda, it's a difficult one, _ devastating. melinda, it's a difficult one, this, - devastating. melinda, it's a difficult one, this, it - devastating. melinda, it's a difficult one, this, it is - devastating. melinda, it's a difficult one, this, it is the l devastating. melinda, it's a - difficult one, this, it is the war, innocent people die, certainly families will be involved, these are not battles on front lines of old—style wars, wars are now far inside countries, sometimes between countrymen and country women. but there is a value in this kind of thing, notjust in shocking people, notjust in playing, you know, to the heartstrings, but actually reminding people that some of the actions involved in modern warfare kind of seemed to breach what we used to think of as standards of acceptable conduct in war. that's exactly right- _ acceptable conduct in war. that's exactly right- i — acceptable conduct in war. that's exactly right. i think— acceptable conduct in war. that's exactly right. i think five - acceptable conduct in war. that's exactly right. i think five of- acceptable conduct in war. that's exactly right. i think five of the i exactly right. i think five of the british— exactly right. i think five of the british papers use the same image and the _ british papers use the same image and the same story, the telegraph, the times, — and the same story, the telegraph, the times, the daily mail, the daily mirror_ the times, the daily mail, the daily mirror in _ the times, the daily mail, the daily mirror in the daily express all used up mirror in the daily express all used up enough — mirror in the daily express all used up enough children, and that stuck out to— up enough children, and that stuck out to me — up enough children, and that stuck out to me i— up enough children, and that stuck out to me. i use this of the girl
in sanctions. and after they've been in power, unopposed for so long, they naturally become more fearful. and putin is doubling down, towards his own people to. because the thing with autocrats is they may, many leaders don't care if they annihilate the enemy, but they do care about their own people. but autocrats like putin score in their own people, and so, they don't have so many checks on them. >> and then, you layer onto your excellent analysis there, ruth, the reality of his age and the ways in which covid has made his age more apparent to him, more front of mind. melinda, here is secretary of state, anthony blinken, discussing aid to ukraine, and further consequences from russia. take a listen. >> we come from several days of meetings with nato, they european union. countries beyond the g7, and we see that support, not only
west. so russia is always the victim, never the aggressor. everything is done for self-defense. so that translates into this policy of you are not allowed to call it an invasion, because then russia will be the aggressor. >> ruth, melinda, i'm so grateful that you started us off. thanks for being with us. next, the cyber threat from russia. they are certainly up to their usual tricks. and not on the scale we know they could be. so what is up? we're gonna ask an expert. plus, ukraine's president today asked members of congress for more help. congressman brendan on that call is gonna join us ahead. a join us ahead. >> i have to talk with putin. the world has to talk with food sin. because there are no other ways to stop it. to stop it we gotta tell people that liberty mutual customizes car insurance so you only pay for what you need, and we gotta do it fast. [limu emu squawks] woo! new personal record, limu! only pay for what you need.
so you're ready here republicans doing with democrats fear they're going to do, that they're blaming democratic policies, blaming president biden himself. saying he is the reason why all of this is happening. president biden, of, course had been warning americans now for weeks that the cost of defending ukrainian sovereignty and the cost of defending freedom was going to hit americans in their pocketbooks. and it's clear and important to note that president biden was saying that he's taking the step because russia's actions are already hurting america's families. this is the president saying it's gonna get even worse here, domestically, but in the midterms, when you think about what people are really thinking about as they go to their ballot boxes, it's going to be every day issues, the cost of living, trying to survive, that's going to become on -- >> people vote whether wallet. melinda, a group of foreign policy experts, you, included wrote a letter to the administration calling for a limited no fly zone over ukraine. the white house holes said no, it's too risky. what's your response to that? >> look, the way to house and
danger we have to be cognizant of here. >> admiral james stavridis, alexander, melinda, keir simmons, matt bradley, thank you. coming up, when we hear from president biden later today on the situation in ukraine, what does he need to say? how does he make the case to the american people? that's next. e to the american people? american people? that's next.etting passengers wrap their arms around us, could we put little handles on our jackets? -denied. -can you imagine? i want a new nickname. can you guys start calling me snake? no, bryan. -denied. -how about we all get quotes to see if we can save with america's number one motorcycle insurer? approved. cool! hey, if bryan's not gonna be snake, can i be snake? -all: no. it's still the eat fresh refresh™ so subway's upping their avocado game. we're talking just two great ingredients. perfectly ripe, hand-scooped hass avocados and a touch of sea salt.