A look at the latest news and headlines of the day features discussions of politics and culture, analysis of political correctness in Campus Craziness and. be intimidated into accepting your fraudulent promise. it w often works and that s exactly why they do it but it only works when the rest of us play alongng with it so let s sp playing along with it. so, can you explain to me why if it s wrong to meet with russians in the hope of getting dirt on your political opponent, it s okay to pay for a national toor get dirt from russians about your political opponents which the dnc in the hillary campaign both did? it s very different for a campaign to spend money to do opposition research in a foreign country then for a foreign government like the russians to actually invest in disarming our election security to benefit one candidate, that s the big difference here. there s nothing wrong in paying if there is perjury, convicted for perjury and see if you can convict but let s stop pretending that meeting with a foreigner is a crime. tell me if this is a crime. here s a photograph, this is chuck schumer he s meeting with vladimir putin. i can t see it. tucker: it s your former boss. it s 2002. tucker: it was cool for him to meet. so there doing secret energy deals together. i m not saying that chuck schumer should be in prison for treason. i m raising the question. you re smart enough to know what that is. tucker: the rhetoric is so crazy it s hurting the country. what happens here is congress needs to have an investigation. if you want to have a hearing about what chuck was talking about, go right ahead and do that. we need to have a hearing right now about what happened in 2016 and what s happening right now. tucker: since we know for a fact the hillary clinton campaign paid a foreign national to get dirt from the russians, should we have a hearing on that? or is that outside of the scope because it wouldn t help your party? they ve already had numerous hearings aboutut the steele dossier butte they haven t had y hearings about what don jr. saih to his data. we both know he told his dad about his meeting. tucker: how do you know that? have you talked to them today? how often do you assert things as fact that you don t know is fact? you say we know something, is that a tactic that youow use? it is my strong opinion. the guy whose name is don jr. whose whole life is owed it to don sr. would tell don sr. don jr. thought he could do something for don, sr., he would probably tell him. tucker: based on your intimate knowledge. i m just trying to get to the bottom of it. people should stop pretending it s real because it s fake. as you would put it we knoww th that. it s good to see you. dan bongino former secret service agent joins us now. clintons through his lawyer, the other is connected to fusion gp fusion gps. they passed no information about actual russians or collusion. that is the crime of the century but actual russians who put together information according to their own dossier who passed it to the clinton team which wam used to spy on american citizen, nothing to see here. ignore that. but pay attention to this meeting. this is insane, i can t believe we are having this conversation. tucker: i should also note that we learned recently if you have any questions about what the government did, you are unpatriotic. why don t you take that home and meditate on it. your unpatriotic asking questions because it is wrong to question the official narrative of anything, got it? it is the very essence of the constitutional public to question authority. this whole case is based on a dossier here s michael cohen s tweet. he called it a life filled document. their star witness called it life filled, jim comey calls it salacious and unverified, the number two in the fbi said they wouldn t have had a case without it, the head of the division investigating the case said it lacked verification in the lead investigation texted his girlfriend if there is no there there. it sound like a great case, you knocked it out of the park. tucker: i can t imagine how you wind up with michael cohen as your personal lawyer. whoever is running the hr department, you would not hire michael cohen as your lawyer. great to see you. one of the biggest tech companies twitter was caused suppressing the accounts ofre politicians and they don t agree with. one of the lawmakers is taking action he ll explain what he s going to do until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia. add-on advantage. i wok(harmonica interrupts)ld. .and told people about geico. 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they can institute finds just like they can institute finds an punishment against any company that illegally makes a corporate donation to a political campaig campaign. here the corporate donation is allowing democrats and people running against me to have access to elements of the search feature that i didn t have access to. why? twitter has said it s my behavior that resulted in this, i don t know what behavior that is. are we going to trust tech companies to be able to adjust to decide with no transparency what behavior limits someone s ability to amplify their message? that sounds like the tear in a series you did a couple months ago is coming to life before our very eyes. tucker: twitter is a fairly small player in this world as a failing company, google dominates all of tech and it s the portal through which all of human information flows. if google were to hold things back or put her thumb on the scale in any way they would have a huge effect in our society. congress exists to make sure the public interest is represented but i ve never heard of a member of congress say were going to get to the bonhomme best, will break up google, fulfill our oversight rule here, why not? w too many members of congres don t understand the gravity of the issue. were the ones who have the targets drawn on our foreheads. you will see more engagement coming forward. aon reasonable libertarian might ask why shouldn t i just leave twitter? it s important to recognize twitter and other social media companies use the federal government to get rid of lawsuits that they don t want to have to defend against and they requiresvision that them to hold themselves out as a neutral public forum. twitter and facebook can t say on one hand we are neutral and we shouldn t have to respond to lawsuits and on the other hand n tell me and other outspoken conservatives that our behavior results in suppression on their platform, they can t have it both ways. tucker: google has a monopoly as does youtube. they routinely suppress political views they don t agree with and congress does nothing about it. congressman, thank you it s great to seeno you. up next, the southern poverty law center is a sham group dedicated to shaming enemies of the left. the fbi is collaborating with them. a story we have broken, we will tell you what we found next. 150 when you purchase select in stock gear. plus free seminars and giveaways. bass pro shops and cabela s- your adventure starts here. when you barely clip a tpassing car. minor accident - no big deal, right? 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we discovered this. tell our viewers your experience with the splc. it s curious and fascinating at the same time because i have been born and raised a muslim, i spent my teenage years with an islamist organization seeking to enforce sharia law in muslim majority society, i got radicalized. i ended up as a political prisoner. it was in jail that i reformed my views and came out bowing to challenge islamist extremists and founded coolio quillian in. the splc deemed it anti-muslim extremists and the sheer oddity of placing a muslim on a list of anti-muslim extremists is what led me to say i need justice in this case, my entire life has been defined by my struggle and i got it wrong initially i ve been open about that in my book, my struggle s to find a place fr muslims in the west that is at home with the west. to undermine my entire life s work by placing me on the list of anti-muslim extremists i found a step too far. that s why i went to lawyers and got advice and that s why we took the action we did. tucker: as someone who has interviewed scores of people like you, i think you are one of the most restrained and thoughtful and reasonable, it s very odd and dishonest. what effect does it have on you? it s got to hurt your foundatio foundation. head places targets on the head. it s already hard enough for most of reformers to speak out against our communities, people who do are targeted and killed. many of them were knocked off and fascinated by jihadists because they were deemed to be blasphemous and heretical. her close c friend a film direcr was murdered on the streets of amsterdam and a list was stabbed into his body ended named her as being next, that s what were up against here. the first thing it did is it placed me in grave danger, it laced her in grave danger because she was also named on this list. it also have material consequences. the reason they produce these lists is to convince media and philanthropists and foundations not to give grants to these sorts of people in these organizations and it did have those kinds of material. consequences. that s why we couldn t just lie back and take this at face value as it was, we had to take actio action. tucker: the fact that our fbi is collaborating with this discredited and reckless is really scary, thank you for your account. there was a solid economic news today as the commerce department estimated a robust 4.1 gdp annual growth rate in the second quarter of the year, that s the biggest single quarter again in four years. america needs good economic growth to help solve the plight of young people who are suffering under much greater debt burdens than their parents were at their age. one of the reasons so many of them call themselves shoulder domestic socialists. what are they get in exchange? not much. heather hawkins is chief macro strategist, we talked to her about the growing debt crisis, here s the conversation. what are the effects of this on the country? one of the things it s doing, and the housing market it s delaying the purchase of the first home an average of seven years. that affects not just the person buying the home but it affects all of the economy because that person isn t getting those additional seven years of wealth accumulation, as their house appreciates in value. it affects the people selling their homes because you re removing a group of buyers from the equation because they have so much death, they can t afford to be buying a home. tucker: $1.5 trillion is almost too big a number to put into any kind of context. there are very few countries in the world with a gdp bigger than that. what would happen if borrowers started to default on those loans? we take it in context, it s a truly astounding number. the economy per year generates about 18 trillion, now 1.5 trillion is bigger than everything we owe on cars, all of the car loans are about 1.1 trillion,ar credit card debt is less than 1 trillion. these guys start to default, who was going to be left holding the bag?g? one of the big challenges is you can t actually get through bankruptcy, you can t remove this debt so what are you going to do? you re not going to pay your credit card bill, you re not going to pay your mortgage are not going to payrd your home lon because you don t have a choice even when you go to bankruptcy to not pay your student debt. tucker: i don t understand how that works. i m not advocating people going bankrupt but i do wonder why student loan debt is exempted from normal bankruptcy protections, how didy that happ happen? you could extinguish it up until 1995 when congress tightened it up making it all but impossible. they did exclude their own offspring. if you are the child of a member of congress you can t extinguish your student loan by going to bankruptcy court. tucker: for real? that s unbelievable. was this a lobbying operation were student loan lenders decided why would we want to face the risk of not getting our money back? about who the student loan lender is it s the federal government, it s all but run most other lending out of the market, you can t compete with the federal government. you see what the result of that is. it s like what we saw with subprime housing. with subprime housing, what you saw the government deciding that more and more people ought to own homes so they made it easier and easier to borrow money, what did that do? it made the housing market shoot for the moon because more people could buy homes. they ve done the same thing here with education, more and more people to get education which is ultimately good but they way they went about doing that is to make loans more accessible just like l we did with homes. we are making loans more accessible and what happened? you are saying the price of that education has skyrocketed. for i example, if you look from 1985 to today, the cost of education has gone up four times that inflation in general. it s not like wages have been keeping up with that. in 1971, the cost of a one year of education cost a little less than half of what the average guy can make in a year. today it s shy of two years worth. tucker: meanwhile the quality of college education has plummeted, the meaning of a degree has evaporated. this is a scam and i appreciate you calling attention to our viewers. one university is cracking down on the phrase as you know. it is indeed offensive to students, you may be confused but liberals understand why that s exactly a good idea, will tell you why next. when does it end?! with the capital one quicksilver® card, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. it s like a cash back oasis. what s in your wallet? 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if you already knew, what are you doing inn college? students are ignorant, that s why they are in school to become learned. you re using unnecessary words. it may be why style manuals would say you shouldn t use unnecessary words are unnecessary phrases to make your point. using as you know is unnecessary. you re not communicating properly with your audience.er it s not needed and they are urging the professors to t use this this phrase, it s not necessary. tucker: are not urging it because i have a commitment to clear language, people who run humanities departments, can barely speak english. this is a diversity department that surging the spirit of tucker: than everything i said times five it s even more true. don t you want to patronize her students? don t you want to make them feel they know nothing? you want to highlight their ignorance because it will inculcate in them a thirst for hunger and knowledge. it s doing the opposite, the diversity department students are saying it s causing self-doubt. we re not supposed to patronize the students, were supposed to fill them with confidence and they will be wonderful leaders in the future and we want a world like that. tucker: we have a lot of confidence students i interviewed them allhe the tim. we have too many confident students. if you know nothing and most students know nothing, you should be deeply insecure and a silent as you learn. if a student iss so undone by having a professor use the phrase as you know, isn t that students are not really for college? shown to be selling aluminum siding or doing something useful? you re not really ready for college ifkn it undoes you. isn t it wonderful that the student is speaking up and sank to the professor you re using terms that are really not making sense.en if they are speaking down to us and as the audience, this communicator is not making sens sense. they don t feel confident and they are speaking up and telling this university, we feel more confident if this phrase would be eliminated. they are urging thel professors to get with the program, get with this new era that we are living in, that the students are diverse. tucker: join the revolution eaten. very quickly, do you personally really want to a live in a world where college students are empowered to talk a lot? honestly. to talk a lot? to speak up? yeah. tucker: to speak up, be heard, whatever the, description of it, do you want to live in that world? i want to live in a better world, i like the world that changes with the times. tucker: i know you do, that s why we love you. that s why we are having you back on monday for a segment that s even more confusing than this one and i can t wait for that. thanks very much. the i fbi isn t supposed to be protecting americans from crime, our next guest says they may be a threat to you and me, and joined us after the break my father passed this truck down to me, taken with methotrexate or similar medicines, it can reduce joint pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma, and other cancers have happened. don t start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts, and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. your doctor should perform blood tests before you start and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests. tell your doctor if you were in a region where fungal infections are common, and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, or are prone to infections. xeljanz xr can reduce the symptoms of psoriatic arthritis. don t let another morning go by without talking to your rheumatologist about xeljanz xr. tucker: we have a public servicece announcement for you e didn t expect to be bringing you this but our control room team minutes ago spotted the creepy porn lawyer in his natural habitat on cnn. they couldn t hear what he was saying but it hurt our feelings a little bit. this is the fifth or sixth other tv network he has done in recent days we ve invited him repeatedly onto this show and he has repeatedly turned us down. were going to ask him one more time and we know that he is watching. you always have a home on this 8:00 p.m. program, any time we will clear the decks for you, hope to see you soon. the fbi has been entrusted with enormous power, he can break down your front door and put you in jail. they are supposed to use these powers to protect americans and they do to some extent. increasingly we ve seen instances of the fbi abusing its power and depriving citizens of their civil liberties. we have an obligation to speak out against that. the most recent case is that of carter page who was labeled a foreign agent and despite on for more than a year by the obama administration based on the assertions in the steele dossier. assertions which the fbi never bothered to verify. what truly make up this? mark penn was an advisor to bill clinton he joins us tonight, thank you for coming o on. i ve been struck not by the fact that this happened but the reaction to it. you have a guy who was a naval officer, an annapolis graduate he s never been charged with anything and he was spied on for a year. the normal course of civil libertarians have been silent. people just use talking points that they had before you could actually read the warrant. any fair-minded person comes away with the conclusion that there was no probable cause. they scared a bunch of judges with tense stories about potential russia collusion, the steeleot dossier, the yahoo stoy that was from it and even when he was fired and he was compensated he was on the payroll of the fbi, the dnc, and the hillary clinton campaign at thenc same time even when tht was discovered they continued to use this information indicating they had nothing t else. the idea that the government can spy on political campaigns with no evidence is frightening and needs to be corrected with legislation immediately. tucker:, the precedent this sets, we are all living in this moment and it s hard for us to see a week ahead. you ve been in the white house and political campaigns. there will be another administration and one after that. what does this mean for them? will any president ever be able to trust theim fbi isn t spyingn him or his campaign? i saw in 1998 working with president clinton, the stress and strain on the president, the white house, the decisions that incur with these investigations. you can see the kind of stress and strain everyone who participated in the campaign, or an associate of donald trump is being shaken down, investigated, this kind of thing is not compatible with an open democracy where we decide things by elections. we ve got to make changes because you re going to be afraid about the fbi, the cia all of the intelligence agencies. what they can be doing and not only when you re the president but when you re running a campaign against the president. what sets this country apart its peaceful transition of government. tucker: we are playing with heavy-duty things. do you think in the next year or two there is a legislative answer that can restore confidence in these agencies? an ombudsman has to be appointed, i think for any warrants that involve americans and particularly americans in political campaigns, special judges and procedure so that the highest the bar is established and it s unbelievable we haven t already moved to do that. tucker: thank you very much much. maxine waters back in the news, especially amazing this time. don t go away. it s easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same. but while some push high commission investment products, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does. and while some advisers are happy to earn commissions from you whether you do well or not, fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that s why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management. a hotel can make or break a trip. and at expedia, we don t think you should be rushed into booking one. that s why we created expedia s add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. only when you book with expedia. right. how does she know that? 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other from controversial issues, from immigration issues, and they re doing it again. that s why we have to pass this bill so that you have clear information about who s paying for these ads and what they are. it s called the honest ads act, and it s a bill i m leading with senator mccain and senator warner. senator, appreciate your time. thank you very much. the news continues. i want to hand it over to chris. cuomo prime time starts now. thank you, anderson. i am chris cuomo. welcome to prime time. collusion is not a crime except when it is. and remember this isn t about words. it s about behavior. we have a lawmaker who is going to tell you the facts of what could be headed for anyone who did collude. he was also in that hearing today, and you will not believe what the government admitted about its plan to force families apart. there s senator coons. we ll be with him in a second. the mueller probe faces its first courtroom test today with trump s former campaign chair on trial. we re going to give you the truth about what manafort might mean to the wider russia investigation. and with just hours to go, a judge blocked those blueprints for homemade, untraceable 3-d guns before they were published. but guess what? they re already out there, and the ruling is only temporary. so we have the man who wants all of you to be able to make your own gun. he s going to argue his case, and i am here to test it. i missed you, my friends. what do you say? let s get after it. so today the president tweeted, collusion is not a crime. but that doesn t matter because there was no collusion except by crooked hillary and the democrats. now, of course, the president has repeated his no collusion mantra many times. what matters in all this? let s bring in democratic senator and member of the judiciary committee, senator chris coons. good to see you, sir. great to be with you again, chris. what do you make of the confusion over collusion? well, i think it s perfectly clear in federal law, and in fact i ve got the statute with me. it s title 52, section 30121, that says it is a crime to solicit or accept anything of value from a foreign national in order to influence the outcome of a federal election. it s a longer section. i m taking a sentence here and there, but that s the outcome. that s what it means. you can t accept or solicit a cash contribution or a thing of value from a foreign national in any way related to a federal, state, or local election. that s clearly a crime. and elsewhere in the criminal code, conspiring in order to commit a crime like that is also, itself, the crime of conspiracy. so while i m not using the specific word collusion, i ll remind you what the whole mueller investigation is about is whether or not the trump campaign worked with russian intelligence officers to solicit or accept a thing of significant value. thousands of hacked e-mails that might have been used in order to determine the outcome or influence the outcome of the federal presidential election. now, while you started off there being a little narrow, right? you were being a little generous in terms of what collusion can yield as a crime. it actually starts to get very broad depending on your facts. look at paul manafort. you got 30-plus charges there. it can go lots of different directions depending on money, activity, and intent. so then you get to, what s your bar for mueller? i would argue that the mueller probe is supposed to be about what happened with russian interference, who helped, and what crimes arise in the pursuit thereof, right? that s his mandate. if the bar is whether or not the president or any of his people were involved in those russian efforts, don t you think whoever wants that to be the bar is going to be disappointed based on what we know so far? well, we don t know what the mueller investigation is ultimately going to produce in terms of clear, dispositive, public proof. but it has certainly gotten closer and closer in recent months as the mueller investigation has produced indictments both of russian nationals, of specific gru military intelligence officers, and he has called out in great detail how they conspired, how they worked in order to undermine our election in 2016, and the manafort trial has already begun. there s been a series of indictments for other related actions by senior members of the trump administration or the trump campaign team. do you think manafort means anything to the wider russia probe? he may very well. manafort, as you know, is in part being accused of failing to report and laundering millions of dollars from a kremlin-supported ukrainian president, a strong man, leader of ukraine who was closely allied with the kremlin. there may be ways in which that relationship and the ongoing payments that he received from ukraine is connected. it might end up being independent. that s really the challenge in front of special counsel mueller is to connect all the dots. then you have this broader array of influence that we see in facebook today, them shutting down accounts that they are now identifying, which you could argue they could have been doing all along. the idea that they don t know who s doing what on their platform is denied by the reality that if you and i were on facebook right now talking about what type of bass rigs we re using, all of a sudden i would get an ad for them popping up on my screen. that s right. so they can know, yet you have the vice president saying we know the russian interference didn t alter a single vote. no. we know there is no proof that any of the tabulation machines and the voting machines were affected by the hacking. but we don t know the impact of the propaganda. it s impossible to know. are you concerned about where we are in the next election and what might happen from the same people? i m very concerned, chris. i worked hard in a bipartisan way to get $380 million in Chris Cuomo asks the tough questions to newsmakers in Washington and around the world. tricky when something can be true and untrue at the same time, and yet both aspects of it matter, right? we re going to explain right now. here s your premise. collusion does not equal a crime. here s what rudy giuliani, lawyer to president trump, said to cnn. which i don t even know if that s a crime, colluding about russians. you start analyzing the crime. the hacking is the crime. the hacking is the crime. that certainly is the original crime. the president didn t hack. of course not. he didn t pay them for hacking. collusion is not a crime. rudy s right. collusion is not a statutory crime under the federal code in this context. there will likely be no charge of simply collusion. now, one fine point for you legal eagles out there. yes, collusion is a crime for the sec and the ftc, proscribing certain antitrust behavior. but like i said, that s out of context, okay? what we re dealing with here is a distinction, okay, without a extension of acts of collusion. aiding and abetting, okay? now, aiding and abetting has its own section under the criminal code, okay? why? because it goes to all types of being too helpful to the wrong people in the wrong types of situations. all of that is in the family of collusion. all right. now, what about money? money takes us into a whole other universe of when collusion becomes criminal. how was any money used in an exchange? how was it sent? how was it accounted for? bank fraud, wire fraud, laundering of money. many of mueller s team are experts in these areas. why did he pick them? so these laws, the statutes you saw, all stem from behavior that is collusion. so collusion is not a crime, sure, by name. but the behavior of collusion can get you in a lot of deep water. what s the conclusion? keep your eye on the ball. collusion isn t a specific crime, per se, but it s not okay, and it leads to all of this mess and more depending on the facts and the proof. and that s where we must always stay focused. that s why i was talking to coons about what the bar for the mueller probe is. what can they show that is the only thing that we will know? that s the bar. nothing else matters. so there you have it. so what rudy said, what the government admitted about tearing families apart today, catastrophes or non troversies. it is a great debate, and it is upon us next. fruits and veggies are essential to your health, taking amiodarone with harvoni can cause a serious slowing of your heart rate. common side effects of harvoni include tiredness, headache and weakness. ready to let go of hep c? ask your hep c specialist about harvoni. does your business internet provider promise a lot? let s see who delivers more. comcast business gives you gig-speed in more places. the others don t. we offer up to 6 hours of 4g wireless network backup. everyone else, no way. we let calls from any of your devices come from your business number. them, not so much. we let you keep an eye on your business from anywhere. the others? nope! get internet on our gig-speed network and add voice and tv for $34.90 more per month. call or go online today. today was jam-packed with news, but what does any of it mean? the president tweeted that collusion is not a crime for the first time, and a health and human services official testified that he warned the trump administration that family separation at the border would happen and would be dangerous. let s get to the great debate. we ve got jennifer granholm and david urban here. dave, let s see if i can shortcut this. you saw the whiteboard. admit that i am right about all of it, that this is just wordplay, and that the behavior of collusion at the end of the day can get you in plenty of poo-poo. chris, you re right. the behavior of collusion and the right set of circumstances obviously can, right? but as you pointed out correctly, it s all about the facts. it s all about the facts, brother. brother cuomo, right? we could hypothesize about a lot of things but let s wait and see what director mueller uncovers. conspiracy is a pretty broad word, and as you point out correctly in this case that s being tried in chaalexandria against paul manafort and conspiracy there to defraud the government, there s an overt act. it s pretty easy to prove. it has nothing to do with the russians. so we ll wait and see. we ll just have to wait and see. it s all about the facts. well, we don t know that it has nothing to do with russians. it s just which group of russians and what they were doing and whether it really has anything to do with the probe is what we don t think we ll see. no. chris, in this case we do know because on july 10th, in response to a motion filed by paul manafort right. the government here, you know, director mueller s probe, they replied in a response in their brief saying this has nothing to do with russians or collusion or russian interference. right, in the election. right. but that doesn t mean that no russians were involved with what happened with him no, no. absolutely. that s the distinction i was drawing. all right. let me get you in here, jennifer granholm. the idea of what the president is tweeting about and whether or not it matters, matters to you why? well, because we have a president who is constantly gaslighting the american public. he says that something is when it is absolutely not. i just it s so it s beyond words how horrible this president has been to the truth. we all know that. so when he says, oh, there s no collusion, and he tries to get his followers to believe that the word collusion is not going to appear in an indictment when manafort issues one against somebody, well mueller. excuse me. when mueller. you re right. when mueller does. so maybe the word doesn t admit, but you had as professor cuomo up at the whiteboard a list of actual laws that could be broken if there s a conspiracy. right. this is just engaged in semantic play. and when the president tries to pull the wool over america s eyes in so many ways, it just proves again and again that honestly, i can hardly wait till november comes so that we can give him at least the first taste of the back of our hand. in 2020, the rest. dave urban, you see the back of the hand coming? listen, unfortunately i do in these midterms, right? midterms aren t necessarily these are a snapshot as the governor knows and you know, chris. look, congressional districts are very small, very insular little islands of the population. so, you know, the president s going to do poorly in places like new jersey, the new york suburbs, the philly suburbs. i don t think the president s going to do poorly in kind of the, you know, down in florida, in pennsylvania, in iowa, michigan. the president s not going to do poorly there. so the midterms are going to have an effect i don t know. well, that s your. we ll see. look, all of this is speculative. it s all about turnout. that s what s going to determine the midterms. it always does. well, but it s manifest intention of the reaction formation. i know those are all big words, but what we saw in 94 and 2010 is i know you re upset about what s in there right now. here s what i want to offer you that s better. now get out there and vote for me. that s the equation, and we won t know until the polls open and close wait, chris. it s very true. but let s be clear that when you see russian interference like we saw today through facebook, russian interference against claire mccaskill and russian interference writ large in 2016, getting out the vote is going to be super important, yes. but there was a poll out today that showed that there are some republicans who think that interference by the russians to help the republicans is not such a bad thing. oh, come on, governor. come on. come on, governor. if you re going to blame the democrats for poor performance. you can t blame you have to accept some responsibility for not having a coherent message across your party. there s a whole array of things. we don t have to relitigate this. you can t blame the russians for the democrats failing. yes, i can blame the russians for interfering in this election. you can blame them for trying to interfere. they did interfere, and they sent thousands and thousands of ads to social media in places like detroit, where they held up pictures of aziz ansari with a text saying, hey, avoid the lines. text your support here. if that s not a voter suppression ad, i don t know what is. oprah winfrey, photoshopped, holds up a sign let me just finish. when oprah winfrey holds up a sign that says, first-time voter, you vote on wednesday. those are voter suppression ads. those were issued hugely in 2016 in michigan. hillary clinton lost by 11,000 votes. the purpose of the russian intervention is to cause people to be not just divided but to cause them to stay home. right. and you know what? that s what happened. in the obama administration, the democratic barack obama administration should have shut those down. it would have been easier if mcconnell would have worked with them. so should the trump administration. [ overlapping voices ] obama should have done more, but mcconnell shouldn t have blocked his efforts. and now trump, it s on him now to see what he does. he s the president. you re right. and today secretary of dhs, kirst kirstjen nielsen said we need to prepare for a category 5 event. what is he doing? so, governor he s been saying he doesn t believe there was a storm coming. he s been doing that for a long time, dave, and now they re starting to change their tune in the administration. we ll see what they do. can i just say i got to go. this is another case of classic incompetence. he had incompetence in puerto rico. he has incompetence incompetence in the obama administration and you re going to see another i hear you. dave has a point to. governor, incompetence of the obama administration? dave has a point. my head explodes when i see james clapper and all these former intelligence officials on this network complaining about russian interference when they were at the wheel when it all happened. we re talking about 2018, dave. you cannot continue to look in the rearview mirror. if you re talking about the past election here s the thing. we got to end it here. but, chris, you can say dave urban has a point. i just did. i said it two points. you don t hear me because you re yapping. what i m saying is this. it all is true. it started in 2016. the obama administration didn t do enough. why? they didn t know as much as they eventually would know. they were worried about outcomes, and mitch mcconnell was pushing back on them. they weren t going to get cooperation. it was going to be a partisan move. then the trump administration had this ball in their hands a long time. trump wanted to pretend it doesn t exist because he thinks it s bad for him. and now the election is upon us, and we ll see how safe they can make us. we need to protect americans democracy. we ll see. they got to do a lot more than they ve done. we can agree on that. let s end on that. thank you very much. thanks, chris. last minute, federal judge puts a block on print al blueprints to make untraceable 3-d firearms. the founder of the group that wants you to be able to make your own weapons with a click of the mouse wants you to hear his case. we re going to test it next. they work togetherf doing important stuff. the hitch? like you, your cells get hungry. feed them. with centrum micronutrients. restoring your awesome, daily. centrum. feed your cells. new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes start them off right. with the school supplies they need at low prices all summer long. save $200 on this dell laptop at office depot officemax. well, esurance makes it simple and affordable. in fact, drivers who switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412. that s auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance. an allstate company. click or call. paying too much for insurance that isn t the right fit? 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they say the guns are already illegal, which is true. however, it is also true that the federal government settled a lawsuit that allowed these instructions to be posted online. alan gottlieb s second amendment foundation was part of that lawsuit. he joins us now. alan, welcome to prime time, and thank you. the government role in this is very confusing. i say we focus on what is more simple for people to absorb. you tell me why is it good for people to be able to download blueprints to make 3-d printable weapons? why is this a good thing? well, first of all, chris, this is a first amendment issue that just happens to deal with firearms that are protected by the second amendment. putting computer code on the internet is a language. a language is speech, and speech is protected by the first amendment. you know, the reason why we re so concerned about being able to do it we ve got places like san francisco now where there are no gun stores now for people to be able to buy a gun or places like alameda county in california where zoning ordinances put gun stores out of the county, or places like seattle that put taxes on guns and ammunition. what this does for the future is allow people to ensure a way to be able to have a firearm. you know, if you re allowed to own a firearm in your own home, you should be able to make the firearm in your own home if you can t buy one locally because of crazy restrictions. okay. so two arguments. one is if anybody right now and they should not while we re speaking of course but in the commercial, google availability of firearms in california, they will find nothing that is speaking to a shortage of weapons in california, okay? plenty of guns. plenty of guns per capita. plenty of gun crime in that state as a result. and you re leaving something out in your first amendment analysis, which is the right to have what you re dismissing as speech. not everybody has a right to a gun, right? certain people fall into categories where they can t get them. certainly people fall into categories where they should not get them. and what you re trying to do apparently is give everybody a chance, even if they re in those categories. is that good? no, chris, that s not what we re trying to do. in fact, all the laws that prohibit that stay on the books. we re not removing any of those whatsoever. you re not removing the law hold on. you re removing the mechanism for enforcement because you re giving people an ability to cut out all the necessary middlemen so they can t be vetted. they just have to take the blueprints. they make their own weapon. that s the point. chris, a criminal who is going to break a law or commit mayhem is going to get a gun now anyway like they always do or there would be no gun crime right now. but they re probably not going to make a very expensive 3-d printable gun. they ll just get one off the street. a few years ago when cody wilson put these plans on the internet, there were 100,000 to 200,000 downloads of the plans to do it. lots of people have already made these guns. not one has been used in a crime. not one. so a lot of this is hysteria out there do we know that or we don t know that any have been caught committing a crime with a gun? well, we know it because they d have the gun and be able to show it, and here s a 3-d printed gun. that s if they were caught. there s no crime report anywhere in the united states where anybody has misused one of these guns to begin with. but how would you know unless somebody were apprehended and was proven to have used one of th them, right? well, you would know it by the ballistics or the bullet and everything else. it tells if it s a ghost gun? you mentioned, chris, in california, there are guns all over right now and this gun crime. there s also a lot of self-defense with firearms in california as well, which you don t want to talk about. but the truth of the matter is we both know in california every year the restrictions get tighter and tighter and tighter. there s less places to buy guns and less guns for availabilitity in california because gun we re looking to protect second amendment rights in the future by using first amendment rights to do so. it s a need that outweighs the national security interest, which is what we ve seen different courts say now. you have to balance it. how it will come out, wul see on the merits. i ll tell you what bothered me about this, and it wasn t you. but when one of the designers of the code, there was a restriction. why is it illegal? well, you ve got to be able to detect these weapons when they go through a metal detector, and these have no metal. so they made a part that was metal in the weapon so it could be detected. however, that part is removable, and the weapon sometimes still functions. what the hell is that about? why would anybody want to make it so that you can remove what makes it detected and the weapon still works? why would you do that? well, first of all, if the weapon had a bullet in it, it would still be detected because the bullet would be detected. so again this is a little bit of hysteria. it s not hysteria. it s a question. what if you transport it without the bullets and you get the bullets somewhere else? well, if you re in a secure area where you re not supposed to be with a gun but why would you do that, alan? why would you stand behind somebody doing something as pernicious as that. i don t. i hear you on the first amendment. i get that. but that just seems so afoul of what we want to protect against, which is a deceptive practice. why stand behind well, this is not a deceptive practice. if somebody breaks the law, they should be prosecuted for it. by the way you gave them the plans to do it is what i m saying. go ahead. what s your last point? the tro is not against defense distributed, cody wilson. it was against the federal government. right. actually these plans can still be put on the internet because there is no tro against us doing it. well, what the judge said was for now he wants this held in abeyance so it should stay according to the reckoning of the washington state attorney, where it was before all of this. that s what they re hoping for right now, but in any case, it s certainly temporary. the plans have already been up and downloaded several thousands of times. that is true. like 2,500 times they ve already been downloaded, and the question is how does this make us better and safer? we ll see how it plays out in the courts, and then you, sir, are welcome to come back and tell me why it s a good thing. thank you. be well. i ll do that. thank you, chris. appreciate it. all right. so what happens now to anyone who has already downloaded these plans for guns? you get the flaw in the argument. well, we haven t seen any used in crimes. that s assumed that they were caught and apprehended as such. what are the legalities? 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well, this is wrong on so many levels. so first there is a law that prohibits the possession of undetectable firearms, so these plastic firearms. so as you noted, chris, in your earlier discussion, by definition, anyone who is downloading these instructions and actually makes these guns is going to be an illegal gun owner of said gun. the first amendment argument, i don t think really goes anywhere. there are public safety exceptions. in 1997 after the timothy mcveigh bombing, senator feinstein passed an amendment making it illegal to post bomb-making instructions. so there are public safety exceptions to this. but i think really the practical effect is every day when you get on an airplane, you now have to worry about someone who may be sneaking in a plastic gun, and this is really just asking for potentially another 9/11. and i think that should be concerning to all of us. alan, the man who was just on argues, no, it s about speech. you should have the right to these ideas. these words are speech. these prints are speech. these designs are speech, and they should be protected. well, this is a terrible form of speech. these blueprints are awful, and i want to totally dissociate myself from what your previous guest earlier said about this is good speech. it s terrible speech. but the question is, is it terrible speech that s protected by the first amendment? and the answer is clear. we don t know. we don t know. we ve never had a case like this go to the supreme court. the earlier case called the progressive case, where they wanted to print instructions for how to make a hydrogen bomb, ended up being moot, and being moot for the reason that will probably make this case moot. by the time the case came to the court, the instructions were all over the place. anybody could easily find how to make a hydrogen bomb. how about the argument that they haven t seen it used in a crime? well, you know, that s not a good enough argument. look, the answer is that the court may very well say the instructions, the blueprints, are protected by the first amendment. but you should disable any machine from making this kind of weapon, not only prohibit the weapon, which we ve already done, but also prohibit any 3-d machine from being capable of making the weapon. that would raise a second amendment question. yeah. but second amendment issues are easier than first amendment issues. so in the end, i think the blueprints will be allowed to be shown, and that s a moot issue because they ve already been shown. and anybody who wants to have access to this is going to be able to get it one way or another. and you have all the terrorist handbook stuff that s out there that falls into the same kind of categories. they re already out there. i don t want to compromise the first amendment. chris, can i add one thing here? yeah. you know, right now federal law protects gun manufacturers from tort liability, from being sued by people who get shot by the weapons they make. that s right. terrible law. these people are putting these instructions on, there are now reasonably foreseeable consequences to what they re doing. i think if any of these guns end up being used in a crime, they can expect to have their hands sued off of them and they should. that s an actually interesting point. we got to leave it there. i was doing some research on this, and there was some jurisprudence early on in discussion of the first amendment that the first amendment s purpose isn t just to justify the most ugly and vile things that can be said. that that s not the standard always for enforcing the first amendment. it will be interesting to see if a judge takes that on at all. i think it is. but we ll see. thank you very much. don lemon is standing by with a preview of cnn tonight just minutes away. you know, this case really does strike at what could be so frustrating about the first we often ere on the side of allowing things into the public discourse, even if we hate them and what they re about. but this is an interesting twist, because this isn t about just what you re going to say to me. it s about what you allow me to do. uh-huh, and we do that because honestly, it protects what you and i do. i m sure you ve been watching with jim acosta what he s dealing with and what we deal with all the time. this is quite different. i don t know how to categorize this one. i m just going to sit back and watch. it s frightening. it needs to be protected. to the original first amendment about what we say and what we do, can we talk about the president a little bit and talk about lebron james? i missed you yesterday. i love what he s doing. i loved the interview. it was a great interview, and i expected well, a lot of people attacked him, but the question is why is the president attacking him? that s part of his strategy, we ve been told by the folks at the trump administration, and sources that he s going to continue to use this whole athlete s thing and kneeling as a wedge issue up until the midterms. is it freedom of expression? does it go against the athletes? i don t know. but i think lebron james is doing a great thing. he speaks his mind. he knows what the first amendment is about and what it means to him. what i loved was what a demonstration of putting your money where your mouth is. it s a common criticism of athletes and entertainers and boy, is he showing people that i ll put my money there and it will be great to see if people follow suit. good job, don. thank you. i got to tell you quick before you go, i like that he s not concerned that he s going to tick some people off. he just feels that this is the right thing for him to say and do and that s what he s doing. i ll see you in a little bit. all right, bud. immigration officials were grilled on the hill over family separations. we learned something i knew was going to come out. it s been denied and now it s known as a fact. i m going to give it to you in the closing argument. it raises a fundamental question about who we are. fruits and veggies are essential to your health, but it s tough to get enough of their nutrients. new one a day with nature s medley is the only complete multivitamin with antioxidants from one total serving of fruits and veggies try new one a day with nature s medley. woman: it felt great not having hepatitis c. it s like a load off my shoulders. i was just excited for it to be over. harvoni is a revolutionary treatment for the most common type of chronic hepatitis c. it s been prescribed to more than a quarter million people and is proven to cure up to 99% of patients who have had no prior treatment with 12 weeks. certain patients can be cured with just 8 weeks of harvoni. before starting harvoni your doctor will test to see if you ve ever had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after harvoni treatment. tell your doctor if you ve ever had hepatitis b, a liver transplant, other liver or kidney problems, hiv or any other medical conditions and about all the medicines you take including herbal supplements. taking amiodarone with harvoni can cause a serious slowing of your heart rate. common side effects of harvoni include tiredness, headache and weakness. ready to let go of hep c? 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a top hhs official. he has served three presidents. he told the senate judiciary committee about red flags raised. during the deliberative process over the previous year we raised a number of concerns in your program about any policy which would result in family separation due to concerns we had about the best interest of the child. there was plenty more he said that made it clear that they knew what would happen. he was told simply family separation wasn t an official policy. nope? true. the official policy was to deter. that s what ag sessions said as much on tv. and deter how? fear, trauma, taking kids from parents. the message in never come back and let others know they will get the same. think about it. deported and your kids kept by the usa. we don t care if you are desperate for a better life or desperately fleeing a dangerous home or fleeing a community or government. you came illegally. that s all you are to us. that s the response from the administration. deny the act, deny the severity. the intention and the outcome. we just saw it today. from the head of enforcement and removal operations for i.c.e. listen to what they told the committee. the best way to describe them is to be more like a summer camp. these individuals have access to 24 /7 food and water. they have educational opportunities. they have recreational opportunities both structured as well as unstructured. there s basketball courts and exercise classes and soccer fields we put in there. they got all those things in prison too, like a summer camp. giant windowless former big box store in texas. doesn t look like a summer camp i d send my kid to, and i get these are different situations. think about it, diminishing those conditions, how do you justify it? easily if you don t care about the people who are in there. the u.s. attorneys are told to use the back handed legalese slur of alien as in illegal alien. i know it s in the law but it speaks to something else. why don t they want to say undocumented? not harsh enough. that wording was important enough for the justice department to send out an agency wide e-mail. so here s our argument. if the trump administration wants to make america the home of the highly educated and the land of the economic engines, is that the only people you re going to welcome? then just say it. now, mr. president, don t try to sell that where we both come from in queens, new york, because it s filled with the people that you don t seem to want anymore. so take down the words on lady liberty. your adviser steven miller said the poem was added on later, that it isn t a statement of policy, and you know what? miller is right. those words are more than policy. they are the core of who we are, our kwiessence. we are the unclean, the unwanted, the poorly bred, those yearning to be free, and we will do whatever the hell we can to make it if we re given a chance. it is the exception among us who doesn t have that in their blood. remember who we are because who
up 10 points. that has now evaporated. interesting to see who turns out, a testament to the excitement level. thank you all. that is all for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now with ari in for rachel. good evening. rachel has the night off. we have a pretty big show. today was day two of the federal criminal trial of the campaign chairman. the witnesses were several people who sold the defendant clothes and houses that he bought through secretive international wire payments. one important thing we learned from what happened today, this judge is holding mueller s prosecutors to the line, limiting their questions and how they present key evidence to manafort to the jury. a former prosecutor who tried these kinds of cases and inside that courtroom today joins me to explain if what the judge is up to could hurt mueller s case. there are reports tonight about the russian woman charged with trying to carry out the government influence campaign through the nra in the u.s. and people who appear to have been her american co-conspirators. that is a big story. but we begin with something far more troubling than any of that. it began last march. let s set the scene. donald trump had been in office just six weeks and his national security advisor was already out. it was march 1st, they exposed jeff sessions participated in two encounters with the russian ambassador during the campaign, a ways away from session s own testimony at his own confirmation committee that he hadn t had quote communications with the russians. we now know internally at the doj there was a process going of career lawyers recommending jeff sessions recuse himself from the probe, he had an obligation on that. this was a key inflection point. jeff sessions could have taken the doj guidance to recuse and could have also ignored it, a decision to make and donald trump at that moment could have stayed out of it or at least in the public realm. here s what happened. the next day, march 2nd, trump had this very big grand appearance arriving via helicopter on the uss gerald ford, the navy s very new and expensive warship. trump spoke to sailors there. the traveling press corps for this big fancy appearance were with trump. watch this key moment. this was one of those unpredictable, you could seen say random times you see this normally routine even frustrating job of the traveling reporters see it become pivotal, potential criminal evidence. watch reporters ask trump whether jeff sessions recusal because he was too close to the trump campaign should happen. mr. president, should sessions recuse himself from investigations of the campaign in russia? i don t think so at all. when do you think sessions spoke to the russian ambassador? when were you aware he spoke to the russian ambassador? i wasn t aware. that was a quick but pivotal moment. trump did two things, he inappropriately pressured sessions not to recuse and if you listen closely he contributed to the doj s argument for sessions recusal. because the doj standard for this is whether a person is too close to the subject of the probe, whether jeff sessions would basically be more of a trump campaign surrogate who happened to be attorney general rather than acting as a law enforcement officer. Rachel Maddow takes a look at the day s top political news stories. the probe remains open. that is just what we know based on what is in public and is leaked. one more thing as you take it all together. there is another reason donald trump may be writing things about sessions that look self-incriminating on twitter, have his own lawyers saying they aren t what they are. this requires you to entertain the believe the president is more canny than clueless. donald trump s team uses donald trump s past efforts to squeeze and oust jeff sessions. mueller s case may already have strong evidence of that, provable evidence. so knowing that it looks bad, donald trump may want to re-up the worst parts of this himself and say, how bad can it be if it s what i just tweeted? i turn now to a reporter leading much of our knowledge about this, investigative reporter for the washington post, and she has a new story tonight on the muumuu ler interview offer to trump, essential to all of this. thank you for being here on a busy night for you. glad to be here. thanks for the good questions you guys always ask. it s been a roller coaster of a day. i think that s fair to say. there s some theme parks open well into the evening. we may still be on the roller coaster at this moment. walk us through what you learned of mueller s counter offer for a potential trump interview and why do you think he s willing to limit some questions? i m told mueller s team presents a counter-proposal in this 7 month-long investigation for them to interview the president that the president obstructed justice or sought to thwart a criminal probe. in this counter-proposal, what lawyers, i need to know whether or not the president had corrupt intent when he took some of the actions that he took, most importantly, firing fbi director, jim comey. he wants the president in the room with him one way or another. the second seems to me likely possibility about this counter offer is he wants to show he s willing to negotiate a little and not be stoic and stubborn. so this is a little move closer to trump s request or the trump legal team s request, but i even hear within the sources close to the president and in the white house, that they re not so sure mueller moved that far, but he certainly made the effort to appear he was reducing some of the questions. do you have any hints whether he is prepared to go to the supreme court if trump won t sit down and how do you do that and when do you trigger that? one thing we know very clearly he has given the trump legal team, he would like to avoid a subpoena fight. there are all sorts of good reasons. he knows that will take months. very little chance the court of appeals certainly involved on the road to the supreme court would move with any and the question never been answered, can you force the president to the table to talk about acts as president. if there is one thing we know as well, mueller has gathered a lot of evidence. he s interviewed a ton of people and pressed in his questions he hinted at to the trump legal team what he s interested in. obstruction is a central piece what he wants to get to the president. you say obstruction. that brings us to the most damning and obvious question many of us watching would like your view on. why do you think donald trump wrote something on the internet that was so plate tently self-incriminating about obstruction into this case that is an investigation into obstruction. so blatantly. two things, i agree with the prosecutors i spent a lot of time in federal courts. i agree any statement you make that suggests you re threatening or intimidating or encouraging a course of action is not a crime but certainly goes to a state of mind and could be part of the mosaic laying out, arguing, the president was really signaling to tens of millions of people, this is what he wanted. it s not a crime but builds the color around the state of mind of the actor, the president. the second thing is why did he tweet? the president has shown a talent for sending a message early in the morning, either about his anger or about the topic he wants all of us to be talking about. in this instance, i believe he s been watching a lot of coverage of paul manafort s trial. obviously, we re not live inside that trial but he s watching the cable news minute by minute updates and he wants to send a signal about how he feels this is wrong. it could be just a signal to his base and nothing more. you said it was a mosaic of sorts. i wonder whether it s a self-portrait titled evidence of obstruction, given how blatant it was. carol, we appreciate you being here and your nuance. and asserting collusion is not a crime, he read aloud from the u.s. code the actual statutes that would be broken if there was collusion with russia and election interference certainly adds to the public record, senator. i want to start with your view of what donald trump wrote on the internet today is evidence of potential obstruction. it s certainly evidence, ari, of his state of mind, how he views the ongoing mueller investigation and what he thinks should happen. he s saying this morning jeff sessions should shut down the mueller investigation he calls a rigged witch hunt a number of commentators said this evening that could be entered into evidence what his state of mind has been. i ll remind you, this goes back to his lester holt interview following the firing of james comey, when he said he had the russia investigation in mind when he fired jim comey, the former fbi director. i think there s abundant evidence obstruction and intent to interfere with the ongoing investigation whether or not russia committed some conspiracy with the trump campaign in order to violate our federal election laws. that s been out there in plain view now for months. my answer why president trump did that this morning is a combination appealing to his base and delegitimizing the mueller investigation and he can t help himself. can t help himself. his lawyer said it was come from the top and didn t do what it did. sometimes it feels like we re all going through a type of law school together in this era. you would be one of our voluntary professor, i suppose. collusion, conspiracy, criminal hacking and theft, fraud against the united states, foreign campaign contributions, those are all felonies that relate to what has been alleged in 2016. walk us through your point about what crimes constitute collusion. first, the term collusion is being used casually. it s a conspiracy to break federal election laws. the federal election law, tite 52 of the u.s. code, says it is a crime to solicit or accept a thing of value from a foreign national in order to influence a federal election. i m summarizing what is a much longer paragraph. essentially, that s what it says, a foreign national can t contribute either money or thing of value and an american can t solicit or receive a thing of value from a foreign national in connection with a federal election. that s the crux of what s being investigated here whether the russian well documented wide scale russian effort by dozens of russian military officers to influence the american election and offer hacked e-mails was in some way either solicited on accepted by the trump campaign team. that s why i think the developments in recent days, michael cohen may be willing to testify president trump knew about the june 9th trump tower meeting with russians offering dirt on hillary clinton could be a key turning point here. there s lots of public evidence of enthusiasm by the highest levels of the trump campaign to accept derogatory information of hillary clinton and her campaign and information robert mueller made of indictments and russian efforts to influence the outcome of the campaign. what is missing is what connects point a to point b to make it a conspiracy and that may well be what robert mueller is trying to present. lying to investigators is also a federal offense. sometimes things said on twitter, whether by donald trump jr. or paul manafort or others, what really ends up being the thing that hangs them up, testifying to a committee or fbi investigator one way and proving the facts are the opposite. i think those are the three core issues here. violating a federal election law and working to break the laws, which is conspiracy and lying to investigators. most of the indictments that have so far come out from the mueller investigation move along one of those three tracks. i expect we will be seeing more indictments in the future. to paraphrase, they were right to say collusion is not a crime, collusion is like four crimes. that s right. what we are commonly referring to as collusion is a complex series of violations of federal election law, truthfulness to investigators and commonly known of conspiracy 183 c 71, working with more than one person to break federal law, simple conspiracy. senator chris coons, a member of the senate judiciary committee, an expert on this. i appreciate you. and we have the former federal prosecutor in the courtroom today in just a moment. let your perfect drive come together at the lincoln summer invitation sales event. get 0% apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus $1,000 bonus cash. in this courtroom believed the law did not apply to him, not tax laws, not banking laws, this man collected over $60 million for his work in a european country called ukraine. this man didn t want to use all his income and used foreign countries to funnel. the judge interrupted, the evidence you say will show this? yes, your honor. the prosecutor tried to continue to say, to funnel millions of dollars. the judge said, did you hear what i said? then we get a more typical response, yes, your honor. the court said, all right. do it that way, please. ellis did press both sides and told manafort s lawyer they must speak of evidence and not claims that. in terms of quote, you will hear evidence that dot dot dot dot. right out of the gate that has been the issue. judge ellis didn t mellow out at all. at one point he scolded them to rein in their facial expressions. it s been reported that lawyers leaving the bench roll their eyes, communicating essentially why do we have to put up with this idiot judge. don t do that. obviously, if i see that i might be upset. you can see that running a courtroom at times is no different than dealing with your average teenager, at least from this judge s point. the judge is trying to trim the sales of these aggressive lawyers including mueller s aggressive prosecutors. the court saying oligarchky is just despotic power exercised by someone and principals of high schools are that. saying he was being paid by people who are themselves criminals. the name, oligarch has a majoritive meaning. he told them, look, find another term to use. almost immediately, not being able to say the word, oligarch, kind of like a banana peel for the prosecution, i ll read to you again what we re learning from this big trial, the payments were made on behalf of mr.ian nokovic, i would say oligarch but by the wealthy businessman. the judge wanted to know who paid that money? and he said, those are the oligarches. those are the individuals that financed it, don t use that term and what good lawyers say, understood. and now a matter whether the prosecutors can use photographs of manafort s very expensive suits as evidence. grand names basically greek to this judge. ica can t recognize these names. if it doesn t say men s warehouse, i don t know it. that got something of a laugh in his courtroom and then this did not. these pictures of manafort s very fancy suits may never get to the jury. the big curveball came when the judge started questioning other evidence pertaining to rick gates, mueller s former deputy they got to cooperate. it has the potential to be the most riveting part of this trial and maybe the whole prosecution at this point because we re talking about the deputy campaign manager for donald trump who flipped. look at this. judge ellis says, quote, you will offer up mr. gate, aren t you? mueller s prosecutor say, your honor, we re not sure if we are. he may testify in this case, your honor, he may not. that is one of those things that sounds very measured, we may do this, we may not but has big repercussions what we will hear out of this case. why would the prosecution be considering not putting what is described as their star witness on the stand? a good question. i will be joined by someone at the trial today and also covering as politico s correspondent, covering the trial since the beginning. i put that question to you. whether gates will testify. interesting moment in the trial. a sudden hush in the courtroom and sudden scurrying in the courtroom when a number of people ran out the back. judge ellis himself said, that s a surprise to me and apparently about 25 other people out of the courtroom who just ran out like rats from a sinking ship, presumably reporters who would report back this statement. if you think about it they very well may not decide to call in rick gates. the case is coming in very well. it s primarily a paper case, which if you re a prosecutor is a dream. paper doesn t lie or forget or admit to biases. if you can prove your case, you may not need a live witness who can go sideways in a lot of ways. sounds like they re playing it in a lot of ways and may end up not calling rick gates if they don t need to and presents potential risks. a good trial lit gator has no ego or attachment, just wants to win. have they found manafort s defense lawyer has been effective enough they want to keep this option open? they were non-committal to be. as long as they re on your list you may call them but you don t have to call all of them. when you do call a witness, you re required to turn over all their prior statements on the subject matter and turn over anything that could be used to attack their credibility, like the plea deal, anything bad he has admitted to, any statements he made about the russia matter. it may be prosecutors would rather hold that foreclose to the vest for now and save him as a witness in the washington, d.c. trial in september. if they can get through this one on paper and save him, i think they can view that as a good thing. they can make that call next week and see how the case has come in and decide whether to call him at all. josh, walk us through a little more color of the reading rainbow segment that was just a few quotes. did you ever see eye rolling and how pivotal is this judge? i think some of the eye rolling may have come through the jury selection process when we had very long sidebars. the judge does seem to really be riding the prosecution. there wouldn t be any reason to be riding the defense because the defense at the moment is just putting in a few congratulati cross-examination questions. it s the prosecution s ball on this side of the field at this point. the judge is limiting the amount of evidence i think the defense might view as prejudicial. as you mentioned, the issues of photo, ostrich jacket and home renovations very expensive. the photos of all the suits, of all the other luxury goods manafort used money to buy that he said came from his work in ukraine. the judge is trying to keep this to facts and figures, to the invoices, the paper. let me draw you out on that. the criticism of the mueller view is they re trying to make manafort like he had fancy coats and fancy brands. legally, that s not the problem and unfair and all they have to prove is tax evasion. do you think the judge is hitting that right and fairly? i think he is, although he does bring it up a lot. i d say roughly hour or two he makes a comment about manafort is not on trial for being rich or having a lavish lifestyle or extravagant tastes and prosecutors often agree with the judge but insist they need to show the value of these luxury goods that manafort was getting them to convince jurors his tax returns could not cover the lifestyle he was living in addition to proving this point of the very very strange payment arrangements. nearly every vendor that came up said they were paid by overseas wire transfers from shell companies whose names they never heard of or only got from manafort and today we had forged invoices, a couple saying they were being shown invoices with their name at the top of the letter head but not authentic and somebody forged those as part of the process of getting these shell questions paid overseas. honestly, it sounds exhausting to be that shady all the time. we don t always relate to what they re accused of. we have one more note, manafort has those expensive tastes. that includes, we will show you, a $15,000 ostrich coat, josh just mentioned it. we want you to see it. you re not a juror so you have every right to see it. we submit it to you without comment. raindrops on roses and 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we know now this massive investigation is doing what they do, following the money. who is supporting miss butina in the u.s. and what she was doing with the funds while here and if anyone else was involved in what is alleged to be a grand conspiracy to influence figure is in the u.s. on russia s behalf. you say anyone else involved, she and the others linked to putin on this sleeper cell or other dogs? both russian and american, i think, to we can say that that s what the fbi is sniffing around on. you are familiar with the term what happens in las vegas stays in las vegas? what happens online has not stayed online in this case. the midterm campaign hacking we re hearing about involving offline events. how much of this looks to you like bigger offline physical activity inside the united states and how does mueller view that? i will speon t speak for mr. mueller. but our sources tell us that money has to go somewhere. this is cash. it moves. they want to know where it went. it is going to be difficult, right? when you deposit cash on the front end, it is hard to know where it came from. when you pull it out, it is difficult to know where it went. the fbi has a massive sweeping counter intelligence investigation and they are firmly going to get to the bottom of it. and being so hands on means what? it means you can make a beeline right to the kremlin if this all stands up, right? if the charges stick, if they do find where the money came from, where it went, it is going to be very difficult for the kremlin to say, we had no idea. final question, there is a lot of discussion about regulating finance and banks in america. is this story, which you report, begins with banks regulations and laws a sign that s a important part of regulating banks? absolutely. whether it s citi or wells fargo, they are critical points where the fbi is able to go and full records. paper don t lie and the fbi is making paper to sort of make these cases. it is fascinating. and you have been doing a lot of reporting that we have been indebted to. customers bundle and save big, but now it s time to find my dream abode. -right away, i could tell his priorities were a little unorthodox. -keep going. stop. a little bit down. stop. back up again. is this adequate sunlight for a komodo dragon? 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was a centerpiece of the rally message. we are doing better in all of these states than we did on election night. despite only negative publicity, only negative stories from the fakers back there. reporter: donald trump surprised many when he won in 2016 which is why this race for the senate seat is a big prize this november. barletta trails by double digits. it will be an uphill climb but the president going back to the arena he has gone to in the past. todd: pocahontas, crazy bernie is now sleeping bob. he loves the nicknames. donald trump using his rally to encourage voters to go to the polls in november as the partisan gap grows wider. the midterm elections offer the once forgotten men and women a chance to make their voices heard again. we have a chance for a historic election to give the american people and honest choice between a radical extremist democratic party and the progressive wing gradually being destroyed by radical extremists or they can try to appease the elites. if they run district by district campaign they blues the house. it is impossible in the modern era, rush limbaugh approved of it. 435 districts every day. republicans are going to win the fight, when the argument, all the issues on their side but the question is do they have the courage. the midterms 95 days away. todd: mike pompeo with his counterpart overnight demanding an american pastor held captive be set free. the two speaking privately in singapore. pompeo is hopeful something will get done. pastor andrew brunson is facing terror-related charges while under house arrest, the white house is not budget and economic sanctions on turkey after they refused to release him. jillian: a newcomer claims victory in the gop primary for tennessee governor. bill leads beating out three republicans to get the nod. one of them congresswoman diane black was favored to win, karl dean in november. congresswoman marsha blackburn easily winning the gop facing tennessee s former governor, democrat who won by a landslide. todd: 9 minutes after the hour. we are just hours from the july jobs report. american workers get their biggest pay raise in more than a decade. economist peter moricci with why trump s economy is bad news for the democrats in the midterms. you cannot say the press is not the enemy of the people. it is ironic that not only you in the media attack the president for his rhetoric. jillian: hot off the press, sarah sanders and jim acosta, how the fire exchange ended. have no answers. america is winning again. last week we announced that the us economy grew 4.1% last quarter, nobody thought that was possible and if the democrats got in, that number would be 1.2, it could even turn negative. jillian: will the jobs report due out in just hours add to the president s successes? peter moricci joins me now. thank you for being here. what do you expect in the next few hours? 210,000 jobs which is in line with what we averaged the last several months with an expanding and growing economy. jillian: that is the number we have seen the last couple months, 213,000 jobs created in june 2018. do you expect this number to plateau? we should not expect to see bigger numbers, and at that pace of growth, gradually getting people off the bench and that is people who weren t in the job market, who were really to start looking again. pulling a lot of minorities and disadvantaged people. people who might have a black mark on the record, people with criminal records, this is a very robust job market. people with some experience, opportunity to switch jobs and jillian: it is a nice number and you have critics out there saying american people are not seeing a difference. what do you say to the critics? what else are the democrats going to say? donald trump has accomplished 45% better growth then democrats did. he is averaging 2.7% a year. barack obama averaged 1.8, 1.9. the record is stark. all they can do is make up fake news, that there is great unfairness in the country and every mainstream church wagging a newspaper in people s eyes, not just the media saying there is terrible unfairness in america. the reality is a lot of the raises are going to people at the bottom and people who didn t have opportunities before have opportunities. we are going to make it so you don t have to work. we give you guaranteed annual income. we have an economy where nobody works, borrow money from chinese and democrats will get elected that way. i don t think that is a winning formula. jillian: what do you think these numbers mean as we head into the midterms? good news for the republicans. unfortunately the republicans don t always have the strongest candidates. in a special election coming up on tuesday, when things look dark for the republicans a lot of people bail. it was hard to recruit the kinds of candidates, now we are stuck with what we have got. democrats raising a lot more money, hollywood on their side and silicon valley on her side. and the rich and wealthy went to dupe the poor into keeping them in power. that report, we are standing by to see the numbers. todd: democrats testing a new method to win over voters for the midterms, text messaging, that can work. jillian: kurt the cyber guy with the downside. are you ready to take your wifi to the next level? it gives you super fast speeds for all your devices, provides the most wifi coverage for your home, and lets you control your network with the xfi app. it s the ultimate wifi experience. xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. todd: 21 after the hour, democratic darling alexandria ocasio-cortez hits the city of angels but the socialist star ab too far left for hollywood liberals. according to the hollywood reporter she won t meet with any entertainment bigshot donors. she showed up to an occupy ice lunch. establishment democrats find her too extreme. she has a fundraiser with democratic socialists of america. jillian: ocasio-cortez s victory causing a rise of democratic socialists on college campuses, young democratic socialists of america experiencing a 280% increase from 2016 from 2018. in the fall over 250 campuses registered for a chapter which is the most ever. todd: politicians looking to win over use of voters sending a text message that. todd: fighting that is a got texts and vented mailers donated to campaigns. voters only got mailers. todd: is there a downside to this political spam? let s bring in kurt the cyber guy. when we look at this closely it is a brilliant way for political campaigns to reach people not only for the vote but donations to their campaign. a group of people have been using a similar way, instead of volunteers sitting around calling you and annoying you in the evening hours they will instead text you. hi, jillian, what is going on, who is this? at the end of the day it is much less annoying than getting a phone call according to people receiving this. what happened in tennessee, where it is being sent to the moon? never areas actors, badmouthing, doing political attacks against opponents. it is certainly not allowed. at this point you don t know who is behind it. jillian: there is the national do not call list, don t know if that works for text messages. robot machine, vote for me because that would not be allowed. you are completely allowed to have an individual text you at a time so they created software applications that work for political campaigns, individually texting you. their databases so virtually everything including what nail color you have. we have that information out there, you may have offered it before to a political party. can i do anything to stop this? there is a little bit you can do. once you receive this, you can request as they call you please don t text me again. is a going to be effective? apparently not. the second go around they start to think about removing you from the list. how to remove anybody who is bothering you by text. jillian: including people you know. todd: the final day. jillian: where can we find that? cyberguide.com. jillian: a new clue in the search were missing iowa student as the family of molly tibbetts refuses to give up hope. molly didn t go to work today. at that moment adrenaline shot through my body, something is terribly wrong. heather: disgrace will act calling stone from the grave of a fallen hero. carly shimkus with growing outrage from a goldstar mother. friday the all-american summer concert series eating up, king and country ready to rock the plaza, stay where you are. fox news alert, brand-new clue in the search for molly to its. a red shirt found near the pig farm investigators have been coming through. rob: the family of the missing college student not giving up hope just yet. we believe that molly is still alive. of someone has abducted her we are pleading with you to please release her. todd: that was molly s mother pleading for the return of her daughter who she believes is still around after disappearing two weeks ago. jillian: ted wilson sat down with her yesterday and joins us with that interview. what is the latest information that you know? reporter: i can tell you over my shoulder here is the command center where local, state, and federal law enforcement officers will be converging in this area with one objective and that objective is to bring molly home. they have gotten quite a few clues, some of it they shared with us and hold close to their vests. i want to play some sound from your interview with molly s mom. i was quietly sitting in the public library and approximately 5:15 my youngest son scott called me and said molly didn t go to work today. at that moment adrenaline shot to my body, something is terribly wrong. law enforcement has been essential, crucial. i can t find the words to say what happened. how are you holding up? through some kind of internal strength that is just there. todd: we heard how important hope is during this process, you are there with molly s mom. what did you see in her eyes when you spoke to her? reporter: i saw what i have seen thousands of times as an investigator over the years, someone clutching onto just a glimmer of hope that at some stage in the future they will be able to hug their loved one who is missing. molly s mother s eyes, my heart went out to her. jillian: all of america s heart goes out to their family. in your conversation with molly s mother, do they have any suspicions of their own what may have happened to their daughter? reporter: some do and some don t. i mean some of her relatives have an idea, they believe she is somewhere abducted, that she is alive. they believe sooner or later the person who is holding her, that person will release molly award. take us through what happens of law enforcement identifies this. once they identified the suspect they will bring that person or persons in, look physically over that person because if there are any abrasions, in a fight with the person, and confiscates their cell phones and bring them in, they will do what is done with a digital footprint and find out about the person s background. and confiscate their automobile. one of the most important things they do, and aspect of suspects to take a polygraph examination as part of the investigative process. jillian: the number to call if you know anything no matter how small you think the detail maybe you can call the sheriff at 641-623-5679. thank you very much. reporter: the pleasure. jillian: an exclusive look at the military gear and personal items returned with us marines from north korea, helmets, campaign buttons, from the korean war, caskets recently handed over to the us. also found, this dog tag. it will be given to the fallen soldiers two sons at arlington, virginia. the remains being tested in hawaii after mike pence accepted them on wednesday. todd: sarah huckabee sanders flipping the script on reporters during a fiery exchange in the white house briefing room. the president is rightfully frustrated. 90% of the coverage on him is negative despite the fact the economy is booming, isis is on the run and american leadership is being reasserted around the world. you did not say that the press is not the memory enemy of the people. personal attacks without any content other than anger. the media has attacked me personally on a number of occasions including her own network, harassed, that i should be choked. todd: jim acosta tweeting that he walked out of the briefing room in protest. mark live in slamming the press corps. the dc press corps today is the least professional press corps of my lifetime. they think that their job is to make it impossible for the president to function. as long as they keep putting clowns like jim acosta out there who is a drama queen of sorts, the reaction of the american people. todd: live-in says the press needs to take a look at itself but it won t. as anti-trump rhetoric rams up eric trump is shining a light on how his family has been a target. i have been threatened, we have had white power show up in our house. there is no moral outrage about that but when it happens to them, when they are offended by a message. todd: vanessa trump was hospitalized after opening a suspicious letter with a white powdery substance addressed to her ex-husband donald trump junior. jillian: hundreds of protesters fed up with gun violence take to the streets of chicago. the march shutting down a major highway during rush hour, demonstrators sending a loud and clear message to democratic mayor rahm emanuel, make changes or resign. 16 shots covered up. we are praying today, the mayor and city council, do something different. jillian: gianna caldwell is on the ground with the protestant will join us live in the next hour. todd: democrats blasted by their own party over their efforts to impeach the president. not a single person in the senate democratic caucus has shown the common sense or the sense of right and wrong to support impeachment. jillian: carly shimkus with serious xm 115 with reaction to those comments. reporter: tom stier made his money on wall street, he is a billionaire who became an environmentalist and is founder of a campaign aimed at impeaching donald trump. you heard him calling out members of the democratic establishment who have not backed his campaign but conservatives on social media are responding to his comments, when twitter user rights goes to show you common sense is not needed to become a billionaire. another rights you actually have to commit a crime to be impeached. nora on twitter writing sorry but not liking him is not a valid reason for impeachment. stier pledged $40 million in his business campaign to impeach donald trump. todd: it is about having grounds on which to impeach. really unfortunate situation in massachusetts. the mother of a fallen soldier said thieves have been stealing coins people are leaving on her son s graveyard. take a listen. it just makes me, it makes me sick to think that someone could do that. the mother noticed the coins were missing a couple weeks ago. it is a tradition for people who knew a fallen soldier to leave money on their gravestone. a lot of people on social media sympathizing with this family. i never heard of this tradition but love it. how dare people steal the coins, so much disrespect, such a beautiful young man he was and another twitter user rights there is no accounting for scum who would violate the grave. jillian: 3 girls on horseback going viral. 3 girls in california came up with a unique way to thank firefighters and first responders battling the car wildfire. they are riding past the command center on horseback carrying american flags and a sign it says thank you. it listed their spirits and people in social media responding to this, one twitter user rights that is the country i grew up in and we have to get back to and another twitter user says my hometown, proud of those girls, a simple thank you in a unique way. jillian: i will not get on horseback to say thank you. 39 after the hour, 17 years after 9/11 airplanes are a real target for terrorists. terrorists want to bring down aircraft. they still see aviation as the crown jewel target. jillian: why in the world with the tsa cut security screenings at airports across the country? jim hansen, an expert in hunting extremists, joins us with why he says this could be catastrophic. rob: this video showing a dramatic car rescue, americans help officers. the weather across the country. not a hero the hero in the morning sky - in a crossfit gym, we re really engaged upload your logo or start your design today at customink.com. booklet, travelers, tsa weighing a new plan to stop security screenings at 150 airports nationwide. jillian: critics worry it will or terrorists to those airports. john kelly has this morning. reporter: terrorists want to bring down aircraft to disrupt their economy, undermine our way of life and it works. which is why they still see aviation as the crown jewels target. jillian: joining us with reaction his former us army special forces conducting counterterrorism operations, jim hansen. thank you for joining us. i want to hear what you have to think of this was we were stunned yesterday when we heard it. reporter: it does not seem like a wise move. as secretary kelly said the terrorists have always focused on aircraft. if you can knock an airplane out of the sky or as on 9/11 use them as weapons you create a very normal fear for people. there is something completely not quite right about putting a couple hundred humans in a tube and hurdling them through the sky. we all have a rational fear of that. i have jumped out of them at the same altitude, but the terrorists know that puts fear in us and disrupting that and our air travel system causes massive disruption to people and businesses. it is a great target and we need to keep our eye on it. todd: you can t put a price on human life but for arguments sake, say they came back and said this will save us $100 billion. then there might be a little more of an argument here. $115 million annually. that is nothing compared to the scope of what we pay at airports and how much the federal government has. this is insanity. you can make the case there are plenty of other targets. a terrorist in nice, france, killed 87 people and wounded 450 with a cargo truck. it is not like they don t have other ways to do it but this is the one they focus on. this is the one that given a choice they will do. the idea of saying smaller airports if we go ahead and leave them a little bit foldable they won t go there but the 9/11 hijackers focused on an airport in portland, maine based on the assumption that security at smaller airports would be less. they proved the fallacy in that thinking. tsa needs to accept the fact that we either protect all our airports or none because knocking a plane with 50 people out of the sky is not much less bad than knocking one out with a couple hundred. jillian: a statement from the tsa says, quote, there have been no decisions to illuminate passenger screening at any federalized us airport. you brought up a good point when you were talking about what happened in nice. we saw terror play out in many aspects since 9/11, vehicles on multiple occasions, a lot of shootings, concert venues targeted. just because we are seeing other factors of terrorism doesn t mean you start getting lacks at the airports. i don t think this is the place to make cuts especially for budgetary reasons. let s go ahead and if we are going to secure our air travel system we have to secure it on this go in through the weakest spot and weakest links in the chain. secure it all and look at procedures that are ridiculous at some of the checkpoints but no reason to stop screening luggage or other things. if they sneak a bomb on a plane anywhere in the united states on the us aircraft or anywhere else on the world especially our own us travelers that 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jillian: sometimes it is insane. no one is paying attention. pay attention to this. stores closing their doors for good. todd: tracy carrasco is here to explain why. i found that one jillian: i like brookstone. you need to find another place to get chairs or high-tech gadgets. they filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy. they will be closing all mall locations, about 100 of them. they hope to keep 35 of their airport locations open but this is all due to declining foot traffic at malls, more people shopping online. another victim of the retail ice age. jillian: they have the softest blankets. reporter: i have a blanket from brookstone. todd: some big guinness news. reporter: the first guinness brewery in the united states in 60 years is opening today just outside maryland. the guinness (worry, not going to be brewing the iconic stout, that is coming from dublin, ireland but they will be brewing the lacquer, they will have a visitor center, task force, you can take tours. this is opening up today, first time in several years. todd: the players are not getting in. reporter: you can taste the imported beer from ireland. they are not doing that iconic status. time for the good, the bad and the ugly. a lot on the line to pool a man from a burning car. first responders pooling the unconscious driver out. he crashed in southern california. jillian: a teenager tried to steal a plane to go to a rock concert, the 18-year-old found bike security arkansas city in the cockpit of an american eagle jet but he doesn t know how to fly. heather: caught red pod, a company named savage seen on surveillance video stealing and amazon package. it was not the only thing savage swiped. he took a pair of prescription sunglasses and a garden hose nozzle the owner did not realize. jillian: all right. chicago protesters outraged over rising gun violence instead of democratic leadership. not everyone believes chicago is a trump freezone. i accept his help. we can t turn any help away. todd: born and raised in the windy city, joins us live with reaction in the next hour of fox and friends first .