know to get away of the taser. was there a struggle over the taser that you saw? were they fighting over it? no, he never grabbed the taser of the police. dash cam video from police patrol cars may also provide answers about what happened. state police say they ll release the footage once they finish reviewing it. in the future every patrol officer in the city will have body cameras similar to these. the mayor says the city is purchasing 150 cameras in addition to the 100 already on order. south carolina state police say they re reviewing videos from patrol cars of officers who responded to the deadly shooting. that could be key in determines what happened before the officer michael slager shot and killed walter scott. let s go to christina, thanks very much for joining us. what are you hearing about when those dash camera videos will video will be released how crucial is it potentially based on your reporting in figuring out how all of this started, how it unfolded? reporter: thank you for having me today. yeah like you mentioned one of the main things we re trying to get track of today is copy of dash cam video that would tell us a little bit about what led to that fatal shooting on saturday. we ve been trying to get ahold of the video, but it hasn t been released quite yet. we re not sure if it s going to be released today. we ll definitely bring it to the community so they can know exactly what happened to bring on that shooting. are you getting any indications from your sources there in north charleston about what that video might show whether or not it does have a bombshell, if you will? whether it just doesn t show much more than we ve already seen? are you getting any indications how significant it could be? you know there hasn t been a lot of talk about what exactly is on that video. when we ve asked north charleston police for specifics, a lot of times they ve directed us toward sled the state police to inform us about what all might be on there. they haven t been forthcoming with what that video may hold. we re under the impression that it wouldn t show any of the actual shooting itself since that would be off camera from where the actual car was placed. but it would show we re under the impression the initial stop initial conversations between the officer and scott could potentially be on that video. so we definitely want to get our hands on it. it could be very significant. you re absolutely right. it could be very significant. sled is the south carolina law enforcement division which is now the statewide agency in charge of this whole investigation. the city has handed over to the investigation to the state in effect. we also saw protests yesterday. we had live coverage of that news conference, the mayor, the police chief. we heard demonstrators chanting no justice, no peace. what are the protestors that you re seeing, what do they want to see happen now? you know i ve spoken with a few protestors. i was at a protest earlier yesterday morning actually. the main concern that i m hearing is that people are wanting to know what would have happened if that video had not been recorded. you know this has been an ongoing discussion in north charleston especially when you consider eight years ago this city was considered one of the most dangerous in the nation. so police tactics that were implemented in the city to help quell those numbers brought on questions of police brutality, of racial profiling. so the citizens from what i m hearing, they just want to have a continued discussion about what needs to change in the city. i know that i went to an naacp press conference. there was a call for a citizen s review board just so that you don t have officers policing other officers. you have citizens who have a say in what goes on in their city. how would you describe, and you re there, the state of relations between local police in north charleston and the african-american community? you know like i mentioned before north charleston police department roughly 18% of the department is african-american. you re talking about a city where 45% of the community here is african-american. that s naturally going to bring about questions about just racial relations between those officers and the citizens that they re patrolling and keeping an eye over. like i mentioned before, when the city was considered one of the most dangerous, north charleston made an effort to quell those numbers. they wanted to get involved in the community so it wouldn t have that reputation anymore. the city did fall off of that list. but some are asking at what cost. so something like this, many citizens are saying is just evidence of what they ve been saying have been going on in the city the entire time. they just want to see change. what i hear you saying is that the community, the african-american community, fears there s still extensive racial profiling going on in your city. is that right? that that s right. and the main question they re asking is would this investigation have led to as speedy arrest had that video not occurred. and like i said that question is hard to answer that question because we actually have the video in this case. but there are some out there suggesting that this would have just been another shooting, another black man, and it would have been forgotten and not have gotten nearly as much attention. without that video, i assume that is probably true. with the post and courier, thanks very much for joining us. thank you for having me. let s get insight now from the law enforcement perspective. president of the national organization of black law enforcement executives. also here in washington is tom fuentes, our senior law enforcement analyst. cedric, first of all, how important is that dash cam video that may be released as early as today? what s taking sko long for authorities to release it? well, the reason why they may be taking them a while quite sure they want to take a very good look at it process the information that s on it tie it in with the piece of video that we all been watching for the last number of days. and i think it s going to be important for them to be as detailed as possible because whenever they do release that piece of video, it certainly may raise some questions or some doubts in regards to what occurred. but it s going to have to be pretty dramatic to be honest with you, wolf to change what we just saw happen in that shooting. that would have to be pretty dramatic information. tom i think he s right. because as we heard from christina, the reporter we just spoke to, she says that it may show the beginning of the conversation going on between these two individuals, the police officer, michael slager and walter scott. but i don t know if we re going to get a whole lot more than just the decision l it s significant to know what led up to the dramatic video that we eventually saw with the police officer shooting him in the back as he was running away. what we need to know here is what starts out as a regular traffic stop turns anything but routine. the stop is made where they actually have the altercation which santana starts the video is almost two blocks away in this park. what happens at that traffic stop that causes scott to get out of his car and take off running. do they fight at the car? is there an attempt to arrest him on the spot? at what point that happens, we should see from the dash cam when this routine traffic stop goes bad. you like the fact that there are these dash cameras on these vehicles. i assume you want all police vehicles to have dash cameras. what about body cameras in is that a good idea for all police officers not only where you are in georgia but all over the country to have body cameras? i think it s it certainly is one of the primary rek recommendations that came out of the 21st century task force report in understanding importance of body cameras. they re not the end all to be all, what they do help us understand it gives us pieces of a puzzle that may have been missing. so it either supports or negates the statements made bit officer or the citizen that s in question. so i truly support the whole idea of having body cameras, but i think each and every community and police department need to make that assessment for themselves. i am a strong proponent of them. many are in support of them as well too. that is the future of policing in this country. we re headed in that direction whether we support that idea or not. i think you re right on that point as well. stay with us. tom, stay with us as well. we re going to continue this discussion. a lot more coming up after the break. a little another major story we re following right now. iran s supreme leader, he comes out swinging today, says there are no guarantees for a nuclear deal that he s never been optimistic about the negotiations with the united states and he s saying a lot more. we ll talk about his comments, the impact. stay with us. i have great credit. how do you know? duh. try credit karma. it s free and you can see what your score is right now . i just got my free credit score! credit karma. really free. once ever once again we re back with cedric alexander, he s president of the executive african-american police departments. i just want to make sure tom, you agree with cedric body cameras for cops on the street all over the country, maybe years ago you didn t support that but you do now? that s exactly right. i think that 99.9% of the time it s going to exonerate the police officer when there s a physical altercation and the questions come up. i think you ll agree with that. do the cops want it or are they nervous about it cedric? no. most of the young officers i talk to every day in georgia, they look forward to it. they have a very different attitude about it. they understand the significance of technology. many of those young officer versus grown up with technology. so it s something that they welcome. but the most important thing here to remember that regardless of where you are in your career whether you re at the beginning of your career, at the end of your career this is going to become a very useful tool and one in which the again public across this country is asking for as it relates to as much transparency and openness that we can see. because here again as you just heard tom said it certainly is going to support officers. and it s also maybe even support the statements of our citizens as well too that might be different from officers as well. so it s going to serve benefit to everyone involved. let s talk a little bit about the investigation. tom, local community in north charleston they ve handed over the investigation to what s called sled, the south carolina law enforcement division. so it s a statewide investigation. but there is a role for the federal government, right? well, the civil rights investigation of the fbi is completely separate in a way as far as the charges go from the state investigation. so you have a murder investigation being conducted by south carolina authorities. and then the civil rights investigation by the fbi is actually a separate charge and does not mean double jeopardy. there have been previous cases, go back to rodney king who those officers were exonerated and acquitted in local court. the fbi investigation took them into federal court and they went to prison. there s been other cases, the katrina bridge shooting where the fbi investigation resulted in prison sentences to the officers involved. you want to weigh in cedric? what s your thought? you know i mean you know the most important thing here you know wolf going forward, as you know we begin to look at the relationships between police and community in a much broader sense, even in spite of this incident in south carolina and other tragic incidents we ve seen over the last number of months i think what s most important here for all of us to remember is this. there are a lot of good police officers that are out there. and those that are out there doing things in a very different kind of way, we re going to deal with them. we re going to identify them and contend with them. but i think it s very important as well, too, and we start talking about investigations that every department and certainly we have done this here if we re involved in a shooting that is fatal or appear it may become fay tolltalfatal, what we re moving to we re will automatically happen is that the georgia bureau of investigation will step in. what does that create for us? it create an environment in which the community can can certainly feel comfortable in the idea that we re going to not going to investigate our own, which we ve done a very good job at doing, but we re going to move it to an outside agency who are going to look at it in a fair and balanced way and a way in which the community feel good about as well too. but it s important for my own detectives who have for years worked shootings, they have done an incredible job. if they had found something wrong, they would have dealt with that and presented it to the local d.a. we find it important now because the community is asking for this is that we move these investigations to an outside entity. i think that s a good point. all right. thanks very much for joining us. we ll have much more on this story coming up from south carolina. but there s another major story we re following today. a major snag involving that nuclear deal with iran. what iran s supreme leader is now demanding. we have details. we ll have a live report. one week after agreeing on a framework deal, a nuclear deal iran seems to be backing away from the u.s. version of what was agreed to in a very public way. here s the iranian president hassan rouhani. translator: we will not sign any deal unless all economic sanctions against iran are lifting all at once. here s what iran agreed to supposedly last week. u.s. and nuclear related sanctions will be suspended after the iaea has verified that iran has taken all key nuclear related steps. then there s this from the iranian supreme leader. first, his tweet, and i ll read it precisely what he tweeted, all sanctions should be removed just when the deal is reached. if sanctions removal depends on another pry sis, then why we started to talk. then he also said this. translator: if you ask me if i support or oppose a nuclear agreement, i neither support it nor oppose it because nothing has happened yet. nothing has been done yet. the whole issue lies in the details that they are meant to discuss one by one. last hour during a visit to jamaica jamaica, president obama responded with this. as i ve said from the start, this is not done until it s done. and the next two to three months of negotiations are going to be absolutely critical for making sure that we are memorializing an agreement that gives us confidence and gives the world confidence that iran in fact is not pursuing a nuclear weapon. let s go to our chief national security correspondent jim sciutto. it s one thing for the foreign minister to say something, it s another thing for the president ruahouhani to say something. when the grand ayatollah says it, if he says the talking point, that four-page document the u.s. released last week in his words were mostly wrong what does that say in. it says either several of these issues have not been finally agreed including that sanctions issue, or both sides are spinning for a domestic audience or perhaps both are true. it s very confusing. i was reading this morning through the language. there was no written agreement that came out of this interim deal, it s only a u.s. interpretation of it. you read that it says on those oil em banking sanctions, they will be suspended immediately, but only after iran has taken all the steps of the deal. that s not on day one of signing. that s after it takes all the steps required. on the u.n. sanctions, iran will get some relief as each gateway is passed. in other words, as they meet each step some of those sanctions will be lifted. so you have two different categories of sanctions and two different plans for relieving those sanctions from iran. that s a pretty big difference though. and also you know, when you look at that, at least from the u.s. side it doesn t say that everything s going to go on the first day. so if the iranian leader is demanding everything goes on the first day the deal is signed there isn t a deal. but it could be domestic spin. it could also mean a lot more work to do between now and the june 30th deadline than we thought. could it also mean that the grand ayatollah totally disagrees from what rouhani thought was part of the deal. you ve been to iran many times. i have. that s unlikely just because zarif and rouhani, they re not going to agree to anything that doesn t have the okay of the supreme leader. the supreme leader in that same speech today said, he says he supports the talks, he s not going to stand in the way of them. it s an open question here. it could also be posturing as this negotiation continues. but i ll tell you, when you listen to the disparate statements and they started within minutes of the agreement being announced last week when you hear those disparate statements from two sides it makes it clear they have a long way to go. because they appear to be so great, it does raise the possibility that they don t reach an agreement. the president said as much there, there s no deal until you have a final deal. there s a long distance to be bridged. clearly what the ayatollah just said today is going to undermine the administration s stance going into the senate foreign relations hearings next week. absolutely. and a potential vote in the united states senate. it s going to only build opposition to what the administration wants. that s a serious issue right now. no question. jim sciutto reporting for us. thank you. the ayatollah didn t stop with criticizing the nuclear negotiations. he also took direct aim at saudi arabia for the air strikes its been launching in yemen against the houthi rebels aligned with iran. up next we ll go live to saudi arabia for more on how iran is impacting that battle. if you struggle with type 2 diabetes, you re certainly not alone. fortunately, many have found a different kind of medicine that lowers blood sugar. imagine what it would be like to love your numbers. discover once-daily invokana®. it s the #1 prescribed in the newest class of medicines that work with the kidneys to lower a1c. invokana® is used along with diet and exercise to significantly lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. it s a once-daily pill that works around the clock. here s how: the kidneys allow sugar to be absorbed back into the body. invokana® reduces the amount of sugar allowed back in. and sends some sugar out. .through the process of urination. and while it s not for weight 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wolf blitzer reporting from washington. iran supreme leader is now accusing saudi arabia of genocide for the air strikes against rebel forces in yemen. they re also demanding an explanation for accusations by a saudi general that iran is training those rebel fighters. john kerry saying iran is in fact supplying those shiite houthi rebels in yemen. there are obviously supplies that have been coming from iran. there are a number of flights every single week flying in. we trace those flights. we re well aware of the support iran has been giving to yemen. iran needs to recognize that the united states is not going to stand by while the reonis destabilized or while people engage you know in overt warfare across lines, international boundaries in other countries. senior international corporate is in southern saudi arabia. what can you tell us about these other reports we re hearing about that iran moved warships into the waters right after the yemeni coast? reporter: what we re hearing, one is a destroyer and one is a support vessel for that destroyer. they re currently in international waters. they say they re there to protect iranian shipping in the region. certainly you will find nato vessels out in those waters. soe mali pirates prey on them. this is what the saudi general has said that if those iranian vessels try to stray from international waters into yemen yemen s territorial waters, there could be trouble. also the saudis taking stinging rebuttes from the ayatollah saying that saudi arabia is wrong in what it s doing in yemen. it s a war crime that they should be tried at the international criminal court for these war crimes. he goes further warning saudi arabia warning them to stop this involvement in yemen. but even goes beyond that. this perhaps is what s really going to hurt the saudi leadership here because he blames the saudi leadership for making these mistakes and involving itself in yemen because the leadership is young and inexperienced. wolf that is really upping the an anat the here when it s already at a volatile state. it certainly is. when the united states out of yemen, u.s. embassy evacuated, all u.s. military personnel involved, aqap which arguably could be the biggest al qaeda threat to the u.s. seems to be gaining new ground. is that right? reporter: it is. in the town where one of their leaders was sprung from jail just a few days ago, al qaeda there have taken advantage of the situation robbing banks, taking control of government buildings. they ve also gone into the naval port and taken nine small fast boats, the local tribes in that area, the confederation of tribes there are really not powerful enough to do anything about al qaeda. they re not hugely strong but they re growing in strength. this is just somewhere that we know about. there will be plenty of other places inside yemen that we don t get reports from where al qaeda is taking advantage. that s what everyone s concerned about. it s an awful, awful situation. and the saudi ambassador to the united states told me this week not only iran but hezbollah, they ve sent fighters in there supporting these houthi rebels as well. nick stay with us. we ll be in touch with you. nick robertson in saudi arabia. up next the threat of insider attacks. a real fear for u.s. troops closing down the mission in afghanistan. stay with us. new information coming in. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me and you re talking to your rheumatologist about a biologic. this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira giving me new perspective. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers including lymphoma have happened, as have 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instead, black hawks bouncing around multi-million dollar bases far from the front lines and a race to ready the afghans to go it alone before the u.s. leaves late next year. the supply center for police is meant to supply uniforms and even ammunition to the whole east. but it s far from main roads with bad cell phone coverage. doors don t have handles. afghans here tell us the water and electricity have problems. ask who will maintain it. finished four months ago, it so far hasn t slide anyone. the cost $21 million. about 50 afghans living here now. about 400,000 u.s. dollars taxpayer money. it s going to be difficult to get this done under the clock you re working under. it s a challenge, make no doubt. it is going to be a challenge to get all the maintenance, supplies resupply requisitions. i m optimistic though. much of this didn t even exist in november. america s longest war is ending and it has left afghanistan changed. some of their police now die in old humvees. it is rare now for americans to drive around here flying over valleys where they once faced the taliban who are now vying with isis for young, angry recruits. this war is barely recognizable. the main threat here now rogue afghans opening fire on foreigners. we were surrounded at all times by a security detail. well this is about as close to front line as these american troops will get here in afghanistan. they are on guard against iongans insider attacks. the afghan military is marching to standstill. recent figures suggest one in ten of these new graduates will desert in the coming year. president obama has slowed america s departure, but only a fraction. drones and special forces will fight on unseen, but to the leaders in power in what was once called the graveyard of empires, america will let go. joining us now live. that base you were on is pretty close to that attack that took place yesterday. is that the biggest fear right now, that u.s. remaining nato troops have inside afghanistan so-called friendly forces afghan military personnel directly turn against them and kill them? reporter: yes. and it was actually extraordinary to go back to afghanistan and see where u.s. troops are now. they re not involved in fighting. they re involved in high security missions between high security bases. even on those bases you have the guardian angels. that is a security detail heavily armed that stand often between the american soldiers and the afghans that are supposed to often be working with. a complex relationship they have. not devoid of trust, but certainly trust challenged. that attack that happened yesterday, nato today say a total of eight american soldiers were wounded. that s a high casualty toll and one lost his life as well. so remarkable instant that occurred when they were leaving this governor s compound there yesterday. they were in fact attacked by an afghan soldier. had a heavy machine gun on top of a vehicle. a remarkable loss of life and injury as well. that seems to be the enduring issue now simply because the training mission is so vital and those insider attacks are such a huge threat so damaging towards it it seems taliban, insurgent elements are pursuing now, wolf. always on the scene for us. thank you very much. the u.s. military has not yet released the name of the american killed in that attack in afghanistan yesterday. still ahead, rand paul just announced his candidacy. he s already making headlines, not necessarily for the reasons you might think. we ll update you on what s going on in the race for the white house when we come back. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what s up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. 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sure. before we go through litany you say i ve changed on how about you ask my opinion? little rough moment. i interviewed senator a paul in last night and asked him to respond to the accusation she s not all that polite to female interviewers. i think i ve been universally short tempered and testy with male and female reporters. in our interview now, i m looking at a camera. i can t see you. it s hard to have true interaction particularly if it s a hostile interviewer. i think that interviews should be questions and not necessarily editorializing. if you get two hinminutes by the interviewer a that draws conclusions, you feel at a loss on the other end. you can t see the personal you feel is mischaracterizing the question. i feel i m pretty equal opportunity. i was annoyed with a male reporter this morning. i will have to get better at holding my tongue and holding my temper. i think it s equal opportunity not directed at male or female. despite this bit of a i didn t, senator paul is doing well at the polls. when we come bag, we ll discuss why hillary clinton may be worried about rand paul in battle ground states. stay with us. republican presidential hopeful rand paul has been on the campaign trail a couple of days but already looking like the man to beat many the three important swing states. senator paul talked about it in a stop in new hampshire. when you see me polled against hillary clinton in the purple states and in some blue states we do better than any other republican. we believe that s because we attract independent voters better than any other candidate. let s assess with our chief political correspondent analyst, gloria borger and jeff. he s right. let s take a look at this swing state poll as its called. colorado right now, senator paul 44%, hillary clinton 41%. iowa another swing state, paul 43%, hillary clinton 42%. virginia another swing state. hillary clinton slightly had 47%, paul 43%. he makes a fair point. he does but he didn t say he has to win the republican vote first. hers comes back to reality. it s a sign that the e-mail troubles and other things are hanging over her are taking a hit. that s why she needs to jump in now. she needs to go on offense and start defending these thing give voters something fresh about her instead of negativity. gloria she s by no means a slam dunk. if she does get the democratic presidential nomination in important battleground states. look at this. the question was would you say hillary clinton is honest and trustworthy or not? in colorado honest and trustworthy, 38% yes and 56% no. virginia they don t believe she s honest and trustworthy. it s difficult for a candidate to start out underwater on the honest and trustworthy scale. she s also under water with independent voters. that s really important in swing states. whether hangover from the clinton years or benghazi or whatever hillary clinton does have a trust deficit starting out. it s something she s going to have to work to regain with the american public because the thing that helped barack obama the most when he ran for presidency both times is that people trusted him to do the right thing all or most of the time. that s an important number when you re up for president. given the electoral role in the polls could be misleading. because of california and big states with high populations. that s not how presidents are elected. we can t say enough times in the next year and a half. candidates are elected with battleground states. all are critical to her. especially if you add florida if jeb bush is in the mix. florida is a challenge for her. these battle ground states are challenging. she s going to fight hard to get a jump start on the general election. mark rubio is going to announce next week. he is. we expect in the next five to seven days hillary clinton is also going to formally let us know that she is running for the presidency. the field is starting to kind of form itself. we still have a few republican candidates that we ve got to hear from. jeb bush is apparently going to delay the formal announcement for a few months. is that right? i m not told before hay. by a week less than a week every democrat believes hillary clinton will be in the race traveling to early states. she s going to be in it to win it. i ve heard that before. we ll see if she has a big announcement or tweet. thanks very much. that s it for me. thanks for watching. i ll be back 5:00 p.m. eastern in the situation. for international viewers, a man pour is coming up next. for viewers here in north america, newsroom with brianna keilar today starts right now. hi there. i m brianna keilar in for brooke baldwin. he never grabbed the taser. the only known witness contradicting the officer s account has sent shock waves across the country. huge developments between the police officer there on the right and the man he pulled over walter scott. we should warn you what you re about to see is graphic and disturbing. 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that s going to be enough. let me back up and tell you the story from the beginning. stephanopoulos was one of bill clinton s closest aides in the 90s, and pretty much ever since then he has been distancing himself from those roots. he has turned into one of the biggest stars of television news cohost of america s most-watched morning show, skilled political interview and abc s chief news anchor. well now it turns out that abc s chief news anchor gave $75,000 to the clinton foundation. this might sound like a wonderful act of charity. the man makes millions of dollars a year and donates a lot of it. but stephanopoulos has been reporting on the foundation without telling viewers or his bosses about the donations. that is a journalistic lapse. and let s keep this in mind. the clinton foundation is no ordinary charity. it is one of a kind. created by former president bill clinton that expanded to include potential future president hillary clinton. the foundation is controversial for all sorts of reasons. it is sometimes hard to tell where the good works end and where the politics begin. so in the washington free beacon discovered the donations earlier this week stephanopoulos apologized profusely, first in a statement to politico then in phone interviews with me and others then on tv on his morning show and again today on his other show abc s this week. over the last several years, i ve made substantial donations to dozens of charities including the clinton global foundation. those donations were a matter of public record but i should have made additional disclosures on air when we covered the foundation. and i now believe that directing personal donations to that foundation was a mistake, even though i made them strictly to support work done to stop the spread of aids help children and protect the environment in poor countries, i should have gone the extra mile to avoid even the appearance of a conflict. i apologize to all of you for failing to do that. abc s support of stephanopoulos is unwavering and they are hoping this story will now fade away. but some people are going to have long memories. the most glaring example about why this is a story right now is that stephanopoulos interviewed the book author who has made claims against the clinton foundation without disclosing that conflict of interest. this interview happened just a couple of weeks ago. we had schweitzer here on the program last week so we asked him back this week to hear how he feels about these new developments. thanks for joining me. thanks for having me. i wanted to start by going back a few weeks to your appearance on abc s this week with george stephanopoulos. here s a sample of some of the questions you receives. the clinton campaign says you haven t produced a shred of interest. we ve done investigative work here at abc news, found no prof of any direct action. you either have to come to the conclusion that these are all coincidence or that something else is afoot. you just said you have no evidence. i d be glad to brief democrats before may 5th. as you know, the democrats have said this is indication of your partisan interest. they say you used to work for president bush as a speechwriter you funded by the koch brothers. how do you respond to that? he asked you to respond to allegations of partisanship. why didn t you put him on the defensive there and bring up allegations against his partisanship? well you know i obviously didn t know about the donations to the clinton foundation or the fact that he s given multiple speeches and served on panels for them. but you knew about his long history. yes, i knew about the fact that he had worked for the clintons but honestly i sort of believed and assumed that he had sort of put that in the past. and i thought he was simply asking tough questions. now i think the revelations that have come out put the interview at least in my mind in a totally different context. i don t mind tough questions, but you wonder what s the motivation. is it the search for truth, or is it because he s trying to in a sense, do something to benefit the clinton foundation which he obviously has some affinity for. you re the kind of guy who said what you did in the past doesn t affect your current work. isn t that sort of stephanopoulos s defense? what is in his past is in his past it s behind him. it doesn t affect his reporting work today? well i was operating under that assumption. i have no problem with people bringing up my past. i have no problem with people knowing stephanopoulos s past but i very much figure we need to judge him based on his journalism except for the fact that we now know he has these entangling relationships with the clintons which doesn t make it in the past it makes it in the present and that is i think, a very very different context for which to evaluate all of this. earlier you week you told sean hannity that you think a rematch is in order. have you heard from abc this week ? i ve had no contact with abc news. i have to also say, you know the comment that he made about abc news has looked into this and has found no direct action abc news s investigationive division has reported on findings in the book and they talk about the troubling patterns. so i don t know where he s getting that report from. but it puts everything that occurred in that interview in a very different context. i would welcome the opportunity to come and share with the audience what i uncovered in the book and have you know even an aggressive conversation with somebody there about it. it sounds like that s a publicity ploy. no it s not a publicity ploy. part of the frustration there was i never really got a chance to explain or describe what is in the book. so it was a very stuttered conversation. that s what was very frustrating to me about it. and now i think it s incumbent upon them to allow their audience to hear the evidence that s in the book. do you think a follow-up interview is actually likely or even possible? i think, you know a follow-up interview in a sense would be an admission on the part of managers there that they ve made a mistake, so i think it s probably unlikely. i think it s the fair thing to do. but i think there right now seem to be in cover-up mode. cover-up mode, that s a strong way to call it. yeah. i mean i think it is because there s no discussion about the larger extensive relationships that he has. i mean he s been on panels with chelsea clinton at clinton foundation events. he s moderated debates and discussions at clinton foundation events. how can you do that and cover that same political family in the political season? to me it s mind boggling. i can t imagine that cnn or other news organizations would tolerate that. and i think there s embarrassment and a desire to just hope that this is going to go away but i don t think it is. i think to talk about abc and stephanopoulos is crucial here because the moment this was disclosed, abc put out a statement saying they would stand by him. that has not changed in the past few days. it makes me wonder whether they ll just be able to have this blow over. yeah. i mean it s hard to say. and of course now you ve got other reporters that are coming out. i think that geraldo rivera came out and said well i was let go of abc because of a donation or a contribution or something for far less than this. so i think there s frustration. and the question is is are journalists, in general, going to be held to the same standard at networks or are you going to have superstars that are allowed to do things that you know regular reporters are not allowed to do? and if that s the case i think that s very troublesome. that would suggest to me you think he s going to go ahead and skate by. well, it suggests to me that history suggests that perhaps he might as well. but i think the bottom line is there should not be double standards. i focus on the fact that i don t think we should have double standards for politicians, and i think that applies in the media as well. i mean it s just inherently unfair. one thing i did wonder withhen this came out earlier in the week is whether your investigators ever came across this. how is it that you all did not notice when working on your book that stephanopoulos had made these donations? that s a great question. you know i think if during the midst of our research a researcher had come to me and said you know i m going to look on the clinton foundation database and see if george stephanopoulos is a contributor, i would have laughed at them honestly. i would have laughed at them because i thought it would be so sort of over the top that i couldn t imagine that it took place. so when this came out, i was dumbfounded. i was absolutely dumbfounded. i never would have imagined that those donations had existed and would have, you know laughed if my researchers had suggested we look into this. there was attention in the last few days about some corrects that are being made to the next edition of your book. obviously the clinton camp wants that to be pointed out. some liberal bloggers have been pointing it out as well. what s your reaction to this issue of the corrections that have to be made? oh yeah. i mean the corrections are very straightforward and very simple. there s a couple of dates that we got conflated instead of something in 2011 it was in 2010. probably the most changes i think there s two of them is in a section on haiti. so you know, these changes are very minor. they don t go at all to the core of what s in the book. and they don t really change at all the details of the timing of the flow of funds and beneficial actions that she took as secretary of state. peter, thanks for being here. i appreciate it. thank you for having me. in the hour since i spoke with schweizer, he has been in touch of abc but there s no indication that he ll be appearing in this week. he s not the only one criticizing the network. my next guest is one of several who say the donations taint stephanopoulos s ability to cover the 2016 election at all. jim gilmore is a former rnc chairman and former virginia governor and he joins me now from richmond. welcome welcome, governor. thank you, brian. when this story broke on thursday abc right away said it s afforded step number of husband. here s what it said. he should have taken the extra step to notify us and our viewers during the recent news reports about the foundation. he s admitted to an honest mistake and apologized for that omission. and the most important words are at the end, we stand behind him. what more do you want to hear from abc about this? well first of all, brian, my position and what i believe is that george stephanopoulos not only is disqualified from moderating a republican debate i think he s disqualified from moderating a democratic debate. furthermore, i think he s disqualified completely from covering as a newsman the 2016 race. he should not be doing that. he s tied into the clintons. he may have tried to separate himself out from that but now with these donation revolutions, it s very clear that he is not an unbiased person. so he can t do that. and this follows right along with a statement i made several weeks ago when i had the gumption to say that hillary clinton should withdraw from the race. because she s disqualified. because of her scandal, she s not able to get the central issue in the 20 one of the central issues in the 2016 race. and that is going to be who can instill and restore confidence of the american people and the honesty and trustworthiness of their candidates to be president of the united states. hillary clinton is disqualified from that. she cannot do that. and now likewise this gentleman tied to her, george stephanopoulos he can t objectively cover the race. and who does abc news think they are to come out here and say well we stand by this. it was an honest mistake. they have a public obligation as abc news if they re going to offer the news to the american people to be able to themselves instill confidence in the american people. let me ask you a two-part question. you ve talked about possibly running in 2016. are you running for president? i am considering running for president. i ve been in new hampshire five times this year and i m having a great time listening to the people of new hampshire and talking to what their concerns are. so if you run if you run will you go on with stephanopoulos? will you be interviewed by him? sure. as long as i can make it clear and abc news makes it clear that he is an opinion guy. he s a commonentator. he s not a newsman. they re clearly standing by and supporting him. they re not going to do that. i haven t seen a republican boycott of him in recent days. yeah but if i go on this week, i d make it clear that i d consider him to be in the pocket of the clintons. that s okay. what do you make of the idea that that you know everybody does make mistakes. we re talking about charity. how about the fact that you and i don t get to decide who anchors abc s election coverage? this is a free country, and i get the chance to have the microphone like i do right now. the name of your show is reliable sources. iny what you re trying to do is underscore the fact that the american people are entitled to reliable sources. those like stephanopoulos who have made great wealth who has connections over to the clintons over the years or whether it s a candidate for president of the united states. you have to be able to instill confidence the american people are distrustful right now. we have to be able to reinstill that for the american people. george stephanopoulos cannot do it as a newsman, and hillary clinton cannot do it as a candidate for president of the united states. governor gilmore, thanks for being here this morning. i appreciate it. thank you. and we re going to stay on this story because the case is against george stephanopoulos and brian williams we ve talked about him a lot here. they are very different, but the result may be the same. another blow to the credibility of big network anchors. we re talking about that right after this quick break. it s more than a network and the cloud. it s reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it s how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services - all with dedicated responsive support. with centurylink as your trusted technology partner you re free to focus on growing your business. centurylink. your link to what s next. big day? 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(laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. the keys to this home belong to mark and alissa anderson. they bought the place four months ago on what was arguably the scariest day of their lives. neither has any idea what the future holds for them. but they bought into a 30-year mortgage anyway. that was bold. they must really believe in themselves. buy in. quickenloans/home buy. refi. power. e financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise welcome back. maybe i should be welcoming you back to anchor on the rocks. we thought this would maybe be the week nbc would announce something about brian williams. it s been a long time. but instead the media was diverted to abc and george stephanopoulos thanks to his failure to close money to the clinton foundation. we heard from critics but there are also defenders especially inside abc. he has a lot of good will built up there, and that might be very important in this case. joining me to discuss this carol simpson and jeff greenfield. welcome to you both. hi. thank you. carol, when you heard about these donations, how did you react? i mean i was dumbfounded by it. how did you react to it? i was dumbfounded, too. i like george. i worked with him and have great respect for him. but i wanted to just take him by the neck and say, george, what were you thinking? and clearly, he was not thinking. i thought it was outrageous and i am sorry that again, the public s trust in the media is being challenged and frayed because of the actions of some of the top people in the business. that is ultimately what this always comes down to. and yet, jeff what we have not seen is a coordinated gop boycott, the leading contenders for the gop nomination come out against stephanopoulos. we ve heard from rand paul. we ve heard from ted cruz. but the rest have been noticeably quiet. do you think this suggests that this will be a short-lived story, not a long-lived story for stephanopoulos? what i think is are you asking carol? that you are seeing i m sorry. i m sorry, jeff, go ahead. what you are seeing is a concerted attack from conservative outlets, from the national review from the weekly standard, from people like that. but what i think is in some sense, they meaning the republican party, is in a really good position vis-a-vis abc because of this embarrassment. oh, interesting. yeah because one of the reasons i think stephanopoulos immediately recused himself from the one primary debate that s scheduled between the republicans and abc is that i think a lot of the republican candidates were threatening or would have threatened to boycott. and what it also means is i think, they can raise questions about him you heard it from governor gilmore you re going to cover a democratic debate with hillary clinton? are you going to cover our conventions? you re going to analyze the debates given this situation? and this is why i call this a self-inflicted wound. abc has said george stephanopoulos can moderate a republican debate. what else are they going to say he s not going to be able to do? like carol, i was completely dumbfounded, particularly in the interview with scheizer. i couldn t believe as he was making a whole conversation about the foundation that it didn t occur to him to say maybe i should disclose that i ve given them a lot of money and participated in a lot of their events. it simply is an indication that very smart people can sometimes be very foolish. carol, let me ask you about the behind-the-scenes machinations here because when it was discovered by a conservative news site abc then apparently went to politico and leaked the information. politico then broke the news. then the free beacon pointed out that the pr person for stephanopoulos used to work at the clinton white house. they didn t overlap, but heather riley, then worked at cnn, a bunch of other places and is now at abc. my full disclosure she entered me for a book i wrote about tv. does it sometimes exist in this bubble of the media business? well you heard it talked about at the white house correspondents dinner with all of the politicians in washington and so on gather with the reporters that cover them. right. yes, there s a coziness that george cannot escape the association. he was press secretary for president clinton. that s pretty close. and while he did try to separate himself from his political background to become a journalist he really is not a journalist. yet abc has made him the face of abc news. the chief anchor. and i think they re really caught in a quandary here. and one other thing i want to tell you, brian, is that while abc said this was an honest mistake right. they don t feel that way. secretly they are hopping mad, i am sure. because the worst thing that could happen to a network and to its celebrities is to have bad publicity. so i don t know if he may be having a suspension within abc. we don t know what is going on and what they re telling him. they have to put this face out for the public but george may be in some hot water within abc. the official word of course is that they have unwavering support for him. i wonder this is going to be a four-day story for most people but a forever story for republican chen tateommentators and others. jeff before we go we need to put on support for donations for the clinton foundation. there are a lot of media companies on this list including the parent company of cnn, time warner and the division cnn is in turner also media companies in the u.s. that have given big donations to the clinton foundation. as we roll through these on screen jeff i just am curious if you think this is also a problem going forward for the media, in general? i do. in fact in thinking back on this of all the foundations, and no question that the foundation but of all the foundations that media outlets should probably have figured out how to stay away from it would have in this one unless you believed that hillary clinton was going to leave the state department and then retire to an academic life. i mean anyone who didn t realize that they were talking about a potential president of the united states i have a 6-year-old grandson. i believe he knows hillary clinton is running for president. i m not sure about the 4-year-old, but the 6-year-old definitely. right. and i don t know what s in their minds. i even think, you wonder to what extent stephanopoulos was trying to repair relations with the clintons because the book he wrote in 1999 all too human, really put him on the outs with the clintons and not many people raised doubts about him covering hillary clinton in 2008. so i don t want to go into motivations now, but the idea of a big media company partnering with this kind of weird mix of charitable political and financial interests that i think peter schweizer s book demonstrates is really a problem. and the white house correspondents dinner which i am proud to say i have never attended and will only attend if i m ever someday president of the united states is a perfect example of what i am talking about. there are some good reasons why moderators have agreed to moderate events. but i do wonder in the wake of this story if some will be rethinking that. i ve got to go unfortunately. but carol, jeff thank you both for being here this morning. thank you. thank you vrfor having us. coming up the question for you all, did you hear that the president attacked fox news this week that he accused fox of bashing poor people? 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(different holidays being shouted) back to work, guys! i love this times of year. for all the confidence you need. td ameritrade. you got this. with xfinity from comcast you can manage your account anytime, anywhere on any device. just sign into my account to pay bills manage service appointments and find answers to your questions. you can even check your connection status on your phone. now it s easier than ever to manage your account. get started at xfinity.com/myaccount this week we re bringing back red news/blue news because this week fox news seemed absolutely positively shocked that our blue president criticized it again. the reactions were wild. and i want to show you what everybody at fox and everybody else i think, missed in the aftermath. now, president obama s aides always say that he rarely if ever watches any cable news. and yet the president had a very specific critique of fox when he was speaking at a georgetown university panel discussion about poverty. obama was talking about class divisions and how it s sometimes politically ex-feed yept to stir up resentment toward poor people. here is what came next. i think the effort to suggest that the poor are sponges, leeches, or don t want to work are lazy you know, are undeserving got traction. and look it s still being propagated. i mean i have to say that you know if you watch fox news on a regular basis, it is a constant menu they will find folks who make me mad. i don t know where they find them right? they re all, like i don t want to work. i just want a free obama phone or whatever. and that becomes an entire narrative, right? that gets worked up. he kept talking, but maybe fox stopped listening because it dialed its outrage meter up to 10. it s extraordinary that the president of the united states in his waning years, has decided that his policies for the last six years aren t to blame. it s some little cable outfit that s causing the problems in america. look i think the president is spinning the failure of his own policies. and i think he is blaming us and i think we are an honest messenger. did you catch what steve said there? it s funny how fox brags about how popular it is except when it s convenient to act small. for the blue news in the story, we have to turn not to msnbc but to jon stewart whose staff went searching all throughout fox s archive for evidence that obama was right. now, the daily show obviously takes cheap shots sometimes, but take a look at these clips they pulled together. we have conditioned people to look to the government to be their answer for every problem they have and take zero responsibility. the moocher class. subsidized freeloaders. give me these goodies. cell phone, pay my rent. bailouts from cradle to grave. nation of moochers. freeloaders in america. entitlement mentality. sitting on the couch eating bon bons. sleeping till noon. sucking off the nipple of the government. how [ bleep ] removed from reality is fox s perception of their own coverage on poverty? here s the thing. after obama s original comment about fox pushing a narrative about poor people mooching off the government fox news commentators basically all agreed that the president has been skimmed. meantime jon stewart argued that fox that is thin skin. and on saturday day number four of the story, neil cavuto on fox agreed. i expect us to be thin-skinned and pay attention when it s about us. i kind of have a different standard for my president, whether republican or democrat and i know these latest remarks were in the context of what, an hour and a half talking about poverty or whatever but it immediately glommed to us and the discussion about us. cavuto that s because you made it about yourself. here s what almost everybody missed about the panel discussion. the president was talking about what he called a 40-year effort to stir up class divisions. fox, of course has only been around 15 years. let s go back to the original video, but let s let it keep playing so obama finishes his thought. fox only played this part of the clip once. it was in a news report by howie kurtz. notice that obama is talking about the whole news media s responsibility to make sure the middle class and poor americans know no i m sorry, what middle-class and rich americans know what it s like to be poor. and that becomes an entire narrative, right? that gets worked up. and very rarely do you hear an interview of a waitress which is much more typical, who s raising a couple of kids and is doing everything right but still can t pay the bills. and so if we re going to change how john boehner and mitch mcconnell think, we re going to have to change how our body politic thinks which means we re going to have to change how the media reports on these issues and how people s impressions of what it s like to struggle in this economy looks like and how budgets connect to that. and that s it s a hard process because that requires a much broader conversation than typically we have on the nightly news. he called for a broader conversation but fox ended up having a very small conversation. anyway that s red news/blue news for this week. could the narrative that the obama administration told us about the killing of osama bin laden be a lie? and how can we tell? the difficulty of reporting on covert ops when we come back. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what s up for the next shift? 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(laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. hey mom, you want to live by the lake, right? yeah. there s here. did you just share a listing with me? look at this one. it s got a great view of the lake. it s really nice mom. your dad would ve loved this place. you re not just looking for a house. you re looking for a place for your life to happen. zillow welcome back. this weekend we learned of the death of a man who we re told was a leading figure in the terror group isis. how do we know? because that s what they re telling us. they meaning u.s. government officials. how we learned this and other news about covert ops came into question earlier this week when legendary investigative reporter seymour hirsch calls a media explosion. his article in the london review of books alleges that many of the official details we ve been told about the raid to kill osama bin laden are false. much of the article relies on a single unnamed source. but then again, so do some other news stories. there has been widespread criticism of some of the details in his stories. some reporters have been refuting it altogether. other reporters have been saying parts seem to be true. other parts don t seem to be true. what s unusual here is that hirsch has oftentimes published by the new yorker magazine but instead this article showed up in the london review of books. i thought it would be useful to explore how this kind of story gets transmitted to the press and the public. who better to ask than a man that wrote an article that ruffled a lot of feathers former ambassador joseph wilson. he joins me now from santa fe. thanks for being here. nice to be with you. i wanted to bring up the reporting about isis because it s a very recent example of something we also saw in the coverage of the bin laden killing several years ago. and that is a reliance right away in the early hours of the story on u.s. government sources. of course it s very hard to corroborate what the government is telling us in cases like this. so what should the lesson be to our viewers at home? well i think the lesson is to understand that the government is always going to give you one side of the story. their side. and if you re going to do serious investigative reporting, you ve got to go out and talk to all your other sources. i have no really no knowledge about the hirsch article. i ve read it like a lot of other people have. i have a lot of knowledge about the article i wrote for the new york times and about the brouhaha that resulted from that in which a large number of journalists decided that they would take the bait offered by the u.s. government and make the whole story about my wife and myself rather than about the 16 words in the state of the union address and the lies and falsehoods that the bush administration told the american people about the rationale for going into war in iraq. we re talking about attacking the messenger as opposed to investigating the message. you experienced it, you re saying with the bush administration. do you sense that the obama administration has engaged in the same tactics here? well i think there s a tendency and it may be inherent in the american psyche if you don t want to talk about the facts, you attack the character of the person presenting the facts. i believe that s one of the principles of trial law. so if may well be something that anybody is going to resort to if they have to. and it then becomes a responsibility of the journalist to ferret out the difference between the attacks on the messenger and whether the message that is being put out is accurate or not. sometimes the attacks on the messenger are completely worthwhile because the messenger is wrong and there are grievous errors in an article. it seems to me that oftentimes in initial hours after a story comes out, we just don t know. it s very very hard to know. and that makes these stories very challenging. we re talking about maybe the single most difficult type of journalism. well, i think that s exactly right. but if the messenger is wrong, then his message is wrong. and if you go and you look at the message rather than focusing on the messenger, then perhaps you can figure out whether the message that the messenger is giving is correct or not rather than focusing on who the messenger is or what he is. or he or she is. one main anonymous source. i mean you know how the u.s. government works, how a bureaucracy works. can a story hold up when it s based mostly on a single anonymous source who perhaps has an ax to grind? i have no idea. i m not in the journalism business. i know what editors require. i m familiar with what editors require before they post a store. but i mean as a former u.s. diplomat you know how large, how complicate a u.s. sort of government organization can be and how many different interests different competing interests are at play. and how many stories there are. and so again, i would go back to what i said earlier. in the past week there s been a lot of talk about the messenger. in my case a decade ago, there was a lot of talk about the messenger. and it took a lot longer for investigative reporters to actually ferret out what the true message was and whether the message was accurate or not. we now know for example, that the 16 words in the state of the union address were just fabrication. we now know that the propaganda that we couldn t afford to wait for the mushroom or for the smoking gun to come in the form of a mushroom cloud was absolute hooey. and i would point out in the article i wrote for talking points memo yesterday that mr. bush jeb bush who s running for president now, has that same cast of characters who provided these lies and fabrications to the american people a decade ago on his foreign policy advisory staff. i was about to say, what has been so wild and revealing about this week is how iraq dominated the political news narrative. here we are more than a decade later, hearing all of the republican candidates being asked those questions. joe wilson thank you for being here this morning. i appreciate it. thanks very much. coming up here a journalist aboard the crashed amtrak train in philadelphia becomes part of the story. hear about the decisions he made that night and how he says it changed how he would cover tragedies in the future. don t go away. it s more than the cloud. it s security - and flexibility. it s where great ideas and vital data are stored. with centurylink you get advanced technology solutions from a trusted it partner. including cloud and hosting services - all backed by an industry leading broadband network and people committed to helping you grow your business. you get a company that s more than just the sum of it s parts. centurylink. your link to what s next. with xfinity from comcast you can manage your account anytime, anywhere on any device. just sign into my account to pay bills manage service appointments and find answers to your questions. you can even check your connection status on your phone. now it s easier than ever to manage your account. get started at xfinity.com/myaccount irgetsz this week usually a normal commute from d.c. to new york put 238 people on board a derailed amtrak train at the center of a national disaster. there were at least five journalists on board. in some ways these trains are like a media express. and some of the journalists immediately started reporting from the wreckage like my next guest, paul chung. he took these dramatic photos for the associated press. this disaster also put those journalists at the center of a media frenzy since they all became part of the story. paul joins me now here on the set. he s the director of interactive and digital news production for the a.p. thanks for being here. thank you. how are you doing personally? were you injured at all? minor scrapes and bruises. you know i think now, coming off my adrenaline so i m processing everything that has happened. yeah. but you were able to pretty quickly help other people off the train. and then at what point did you transition into taking photos into reporting? well the minute i jump off the train, you know i fell pretty hard. yeah. and then people were just screaming at me. and i was completely disoriented. and once i kind of get my bearings and saw the wreckage that s when i knew wow, this is major. and immediately i sent an e-mail to my newsroom saying hey, my train just crashed and derailed. give me a call. and after that i just kind of lent my phone to a couple other passengers who need to call their loved ones. and once i again processed a little more that s when i kicked into my journalist mode. in retrospect do you feel you turned toward journalism at the right moment? it must be a hard decision to process. i think the instinct was to turn immediately. but since i m not a front line journalist just the plain idea of hey, i might die was really frightening. right. i want to take pictures inside the train but i smell smoke. so i jumped out. you know once i got up and saw passengers were crawling out the window my instinct was let me go take some photos. i saw sparks coming out. and at that moment i thought something might explode and i have to run the other way for safety just in case. so i think those were the decisions i was struggling with. i wonder what it s like to be bombarded by media requests after something traumatic like this. did you hear from dozens of media outlets trying to interview you the way you re being interviewed now? yes. and you know you gain a new appreciation for our craft. do you? yeah. some people would say it s tacky the way journalists are all like vultures trying to reach the victims, trying to reach the survivors. i mean, i think working on the front line on a developing story is never easy. so i have really grown a new appreciation for all the photographers, tv and reporters who are really going out there to find out what s going on you know. and i understand that primary sourcing is important. and me being a primary source at that moment was the easiest access for them. what happens when you do get all these media requests? do you just kind of throw up your hands and not respond to any of them? how does it work? for me since i wok for the a.p. i was like hey, you need to coordinate everything with the a.p. you let them call your bosses. yeah. i mean once i got off i was thinking do i need to tweet this out, periscope it, and i just kind of kept it simple. coordinate with my news desk. send all the photos and video i have to the news ds k and i figured i d let the a.p. kind of handle how the news evolved. it s just so uncommon to have a journalist actually affected by the story. it s one thing to witness a plane crash land or a train derail but to be on the train a whole other level. let me ask you one other thing. you tweeted, you said message me if you were on board the train, all of us have a unique shared experience i d like to find a way for us to connect. have you heard from any other survivors, and are you going to connect? 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[ ] the voice of the wild within. welcome back. before we go this morning, what a big week it s going to be for good-byes in television. david letterman signing off the late show on wednesday night. everybody wondering who his final guest will be and what he will say in his final top 10 list. you know letterman is truly the end of an era. he says he s not retiring entirely just retiring from the late show. but people will all be tuning in wednesday night as he actually says good-bye to the show. stephen colbert is ready to take over. he will actually not take over until september. but he s already starting to talk to advertisers, warm up for his takeover of the late show, and he made a very funny joke at the cbs up front presentation for advertisers this week. he said i m going to strive to honor letterman by occasionally making cbs very mad at me. that was colbert s preparation to take over for letterman. but that s on wednesday. there s another big tv finale tonight, and that s the end of mad men, the pioneering amc drama that actually really put amc on the map and was among other things the most influential show about advertising in the history of the medium. earlier i spoke with the president of amc, charlie collier. he told me he has watched the finale and he thinks we re going to be impressed. i ve seen it and the beauty of the show for years it s not just a great hour but this is you know 90-plus amazing pieces of art. and the consistency that they ve brought to the set from start to finish is remarkable. and i think you ll see that the finale just is as beautiful as you d hope it would be. you can check out more of my interview with collier on cnnmoney.com. he told me all of amc s other channels like ifc and bbc america, they re actually going to go dark tonight. that is a way that amc s going to try to honor the show by peel having people refer over to amc to watch it. they are really trying to make this a piece of art, trying to lift it into the hall of fame is what collier said. that s all for this televised edition of reliable sources. but our media coverage keeps going all the time on cnn.com. check out our stories there about letterman and all the rest of the week s media news. and if you can t join us live next sunday at 11:00 a.m. make sure you set your dvr. stay tuned here because state of the union begins right now. captions by vitac www.vitac.com the u.s. deals a major blow to isis and a new mystery in the deadly amtrak train crash. this is state of the union. u.s. troops take out a top isis leader, congressman paul ryan sides with president obama, senator bernie sanders on his run for the presidency, and jeb bush s rough week on the campaign trail. good morning from washington. i m brianna keilar, and right now u.s. officials are analyzing at a treasure trove of new information on how isis operates. this after a daring raid by american special ops in syria that left a top isis commander dead and his wife captured. cnn s nick paton walsh is in beirut with the latest on this. nick, what do we know about this commander who is known as abu sayyaf? very little, frankly, until
two-thirds they ll have 6,000 left after they had 19,500. it reduces their enriched uranium stockpile. meaning it extends the breakout time that iran won t have enough fissile material to build a bomb for about a year. and then it also lifts sanctions against iran in phases. think the deal has a lot more than me and my colleagues thought it was going to be in it when we were following this all week. but as we say, the devil is in the details. now negotiators have to hammer out a deal before june. i sat down with secretary of state john kerry yesterday and i asked him what happens, because iran s name is not on this actual deal. it s a fact sheet that the u.s. put out. what happenes if iran tries to back-pedal and open up the negotiations again and say they didn t agree to any of that? let s take a listen. then they don t get an agreement. look. we re very clear about where we are. if they try it renegotiate, you ll end? you won t give them an agreement? we re not we ve agreed and we re not going to renegotiate things we ve been very clear about that. now john kerry and energy secretary monese who was also in the negotiations have to make the hard sell to congress now, that they can make this a good deal for the united states for israel for all parties involved. that s going to be a hard sell. congress is looking for a say in this deal. it looks like they have a veto-proof majority to make that happen. chris? all right. it s going to be a question of whether or not did they just agree or did they agree to agree. there s no question president obama is facing an uphill battle to sell this iran framework to a very skeptical and as elise said divided congress. so let s bring in cnn national correspondent sunlen serfaty joining us from the white house with that part of the story. the president doesn t have to go to congress to get a deal like this done it could be done by the executive. but with sanctions hanging in the balance. practically he must yes? that s what the white house believes. but congress is going to challenge the president on this. there s already a series of defiant bills ready and lined up on capitol hill for him. republicans are saying that this bill this deal has too many concessions to iran. and republicans saying that. but democrats meanwhile, they re saying, they re giving tepid responses at best. now congress is back from recess in two weeks. it is then when senate foreign relations chair, republican bob corker says he will move forward with his bill. this is a bill that has already elicited a veto threat from the white house. it s a bill that ultimately if they re able to get a veto-proof majority it would give congress the ability to approve or reject any final bill. now key here will of course be senate democrats, will they defy the president on this? some have already signed on to the bill. the white house has said that will undercut their negotiating ability at the table. and president obama gave a stern warning to congress. if congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it s the united states that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. international unity will collapse. and the path to conflict will widen. and the white house has promised that there will be briefings to congress. they promise high-level engagement to congress. but congress does want more than that. they want a final and formal say in the deal. michaela? despite the hard sell from the white house, israel still isn t buying. prime minister benjamin netanyahu has been against the iran nuclear deal from the start. using his strongest language yet to condemn it. i want to turn to oren lieberman, live in jerusalem with reaction there. netanyahu has been critical of the deal since the beginning and his language has only gotten stronger. in conversation with president obama in which the president tried to reassure netanyahu that israel security was very much in this deal netanyahu said that this deal increases the risk of a quote horrific war. horrific war, some very powerful language coming from netanyahu. he criticized what s in the deal and not in the deal. netanyahu wanted to make sure the deal didn t limit or change iran s nuclear facilities but dismantle them take them apart. netanyahu says the deal doesn t do that. he said he wanted to see the deal tied to lifting of restrictions to iran pulling back its aggression in the region. there again, netanyahu s government says the deal doesn t do that. so what will netanyahu do now? we expect a statement from him shortly. he called an emergency cabinet meeting this afternoon. to we expect a statement coming out of that shortly. remember house speaker boehner was here senator mitch mcconnell is here working closely with congressional republicans to lobby against the deal. we ll see more from that perhaps. chris, certainly worth noting that intelligence minister has not ruled out the military option here. look everybody is keeping their options on the table. the question becomes is the deal better than no deal? thank you for the reporting. let s get perspective from someone who understands the situation, the phone right now, former secretary of state madeline yaleeine albright an ambassador to the united nations. she s the chairman of the albright stone bridge group. good to have you on the phone. is this an acceptable framework, madam secretary? i ve been looking through it and following this very closely. -day think it s even more than an acceptable framework. it has done a lot of what people were demanding. in terms of the two-thirds of the installed centrifuges have to be reduced. there is a way that iran has agreed not to enrich uranium over a low level for at least 15 years. it s agreed to reduce its current stockpile. i won t go through all the details of this. but it really has done an awful lot. the key part here that i think is so important, is the inspection system that is set up for iaea. everything has to be verified. and the sanctions, are dependant or the removal of them on that verification and i think that what it has done is in fact increase the breakout time for iran to go forward, if they did feel that they wanted to produce a weapon. so i think it has done what was promised. now we are going to be looking at the details as the framework is not enlarged but followed out in terms of the details of it. now a framework is not a deal itself. everybody should understand that. and there s a big chance that not iran but the u.s. congress may upset this process. how important is it to you, that a deal gets done? how strong a message do you want to send about that? i think it s absolutely essential. because this is one of the issues that has troubled everybody in terms of nuclear power here. in that particular area. the capability to do a bomb. i do think that this is an essential deal it is a good deal as we see it now. and i do think, i obviously have always believed that congress should have a voice in talking about foreign policy. but i think people have to be very careful not to undo something that has been worked on so carefully by experts. who are going to be very willing to come up and explain this to members of congress. and i think that one has to be careful not to unravel something that has been so carefully designed. and as secretary kerry said and the president has said basically nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. so the next months are going to be very important. madam secretary quickly what do you make of the paranoia or suspicion that iran is just playing the p5+1 and using this nuclear negotiation to garner some softness in the other areas that matter to them. like what they re doing in yemen. what they re doing in syria, what they re doing in iraq. and that they don t really have to agree to anything here they re just buying time. i don t agree with that. i think obviously negotiations take time. but there are so much issues that involve our having a relationship with iran we haven t had one since 1979. and developing that and then working on the other issues. there s no question that what iran is doing in the region is very serious. and has to be dealt with. but i think that having this framework agreement in place will make that more possible. and that we obviously can t forget about the other parts, but we also i think have to be really careful in terms of having the option of force on the table. but not threatening it to such a point. that things could get even worse in the middle east. secretary of state madeleine albright thank you very much for the help as always. let s turn now to hilary mann leverett the author of going to iran. she s a former clinton and bush national security council adviser and a state department middle east expert. she s directly negotiated with iran over the pursuit of al qaeda. so always good to have you on the show. you understand the dynamic there very well. the major push-back that we ll start hearing starting this morning is you don t do a deal with the devil. yeah. we re certainly going to hear that. and i think that these talks are fragile. this interim agreement, this understanding is fragile. it s going to be an extremely tough road ahead. but i have negotiated with iranian officials, including the current foreign minister zarif, over afghanistan and al qaeda. and those were incredibly productive constructive negotiations and discussions. we worked very well with them in afghanistan. the iranians are one ally in the region that see eye to eye with us against al qaeda and the islamic state. we re working with them essentially hand in hand in iraq against the islamic state. as we did in afghanistan against al qaeda. so there are areas where we have worked with them productively constructively in the past and i think this nuclear deal shows that we can also work with them constructively on proliferation, nonproliferation issues. you used the word ally in iran, you don t hear that very often around here. that s right. another point of push p-back will be moment you let up on the sanctions, they are going to go to town and get everything that they wanted. they re going do show that they re stronger than the u.s. and the p5+1. and you ll never get the inspections right. you know what s so fascinating about the islamic republic of iran, they ve built an economy, a country, a system over the past 35 years that is really in a lots of ways self-sufficient. when they had the revolution in 1979 they were completely dependant on the u.s. military. they couldn t produce a single bullet. but what they ve done under sanctions, on their own, is build up military industrial complex, which can protect their country. so the idea that sanctions somehow dissuades them just defies the record. when i first started arguing within the bush administration that we needed to deal with iranians on the nuclear issue back in 2003, the iranians had 164 centrifuges. as we imposed more and more sanctions, they were able to acquire more and more centrifuges. today they have nearly 20,000 that s up from 164 to 20,000. they did that under sanctions. the idea that lifting sanctions is going to let them do x or y or z just defies the record. or that extra sanctions will be what puts a foot on their throat so to speak. you re saying it may not have the teeth that people expect. the last point that i want you to make here on this deal in the early stage is that congress is going to say, no way, we re not giving it to you, mr. president, we re going to use these sanctions effectively to frustrate your efforts in this deal unless we re brought on board. as a policy expert in dealing with congress do you think that congress has a right to approve this deal? what-day do you think the proper legal dynamic is here? the constitution sets up that diplomacy is entirely within the realm of the executive. but congress does an oversight role. especially because so many of the sanctions were legislated. so they re entirely within congress s role. but the critical problem here is for president obama to make the strategic sell. if he focuses on it just as an arms control agreement, my concern is that it will die on the vine just like president carter s salt ii treaty with the soviets over their strategic arsenal. we ve seen failure before. we could see failure again if it s a narrow arms control issue. if there s a broader strategic case like nixon and kissinger vis-a-vis china, i think that will sell. but president obama has been extremely reluctant to make that strategic case. and instead, he seems to be going down the path potentially of president carter where he s dependant on a congress to okay an arms control agreement which they may, there may not be any arms control agreement with iran that would be good enough for them. well if the president is dependant on congress, history of his presidency shows the prospects are not good, we ll keep a close eye on it hilary mann leverett thank you as always. in kenya, a massive search is on for a key suspect in thursday s horrifying massacre. at a university in kenya. al shabab terrorists raiding the campus targeting nonmuslims and executing them. 147 students are dead. we re told there are still bodies on the school ground. we re going to have more for you coming up on that. we have a live reporter on the ground. we ll talk to him about the scene today. we understand the university has been closed indefinitely. we ll talk to him. we re going to take a short break. this morning it s been just over 24 hours. since al shabab gun men terrorized this university in kenya. now with at least 147 dead and nearly 600 evacuated, the community of garissa in complete agony. the massacre beginning just before dawn on thursday. the terrorists descending on early-morning prayers reportedly separating muslims from christians. and killing the christians or taking them hostage. they started jumping up and down running for their lives, it s unfortunate where they are going to is where the gunshots were coming from. the gunmen then going dormitory to dormitory. before kenyan forces eventually corner them. a standoff lasting for hours, finally at around 9:00 p.m. officials announce the end of the operation. garissa kenya. we re going to be giving you the latest information as we get it. what s going on in kenya as michaela was telling you, there s still bodies on the ground it s a very fluid situation. we still don t know exactly what the numbers were involved. either for the victims or on the attackers. as soon as we get our communications up there and get better reporting, we ll be back to it. we have breaking news for you in the investigation into the crash of germanwings flight 9525. the second black box has been found. and has been downloaded and it does seem to confirm that the co-pilot purposely accelerated the plane s descent, slamming it into a mountain in the french alps. as investigators make a disturbing find as well on andreas lubitz tablet device cnn s will ripley zwroinsjoins us live from dusseldorf germany. it s intriguing understanding the planning that went into this horrible situation, will. the information on the tablet crucial for investigators. because european official is telling us it essentially proves the theory that this is pre premeditated murder. premeditated murder of 149 innocent people. breaking just within the last hour the insights from the flight data recorder recovered in the french alps. it was buried in eight inches of debris because of the force of the impact. and now the data recorder shows that andreas lubitz changed the auto pilot settings bringing the plane down he set it for 100 feet a collision course with the mountain range. and at the same time he was manually increasing the speed to make sure that that plane hit the mountain completely obliterating it. very disturbing and the evidence that was seized from his apartment reveals more insight about what he was planning. appalling new insights into the disturbed mind of germanwings co-pilot andreas lubitz. a tablet seized from lubitz home contained chilling internet searches he allegedly made the week leading up to the crash. prosecutors found search terms relating to methods to commit suicide. cockpit doors, and their security measures. all which investigators say amounts to premeditated murder. lot of pilots don t know exactly how to turn that lock off, so it may have been that he was looking it up to make sure he understood how to keep the pilot out. new details continue to emerge about lubitz rapidly deteriorating psychological health. law enforcement source close to the investigation said lubitz suffered severe depression and stress late last year. he was doctor-shopping, seeing as many as six for ongoing sleep and vision problems. lubitz was even prescribed heavy depression medication. the source believes he was not taking the day of the crash. medications that are treating depression sometimes they can make someone sleepy. they can be a sedating but they can also have nearly the opposite effect. it can sort of make them become more on the sort of manic side of things. he apparently told some doctors he was fearful of losing his pilot license because of his medical issues. a potentially key motive for the deadly crash. and this morning, michaela as information continues to come in it becomes more and more clear that this was a deliberate act on the part of andreas lubitz. the one key question remains unanswered and that is why did he do this. michaela? something we may never fully understand. all right, will thank you so much for that reporting. we turn back here in america, two women in new york charged with planning an isis-inspired bomb plot. authorities say one woman had repeated contact with members of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. we re told they planned to target police military or government sites. in the meantime an american citizen accused of supporting al qaeda detained in pakistan and secretly flown back to new york to face a judge. that 29-year-old allegedly plotted to attack americans abroad. lawmakers in indiana and arkansas swiftly approving fixes that aim to remove the risk of using religious freedom laws to defend discrimination. neither state gave lgbt advocates what they want which is protection as a class. under state law. now indiana added to its existing bill and arkansas passed a narrower version of its original bill which now is virtually identical to the religious freedom law that the federal government has. this is a story that almost defies understanding. and emotional reunion for a family who feared it may never happen. 37-year-old louis jordan left a virginia hospital a day after his remarkable rescue at sea. when asked if he ever lost hope jordan said he couldn t think like that. because of his family. most valuable thing we have are our relationships and those we love. and how we treat other people. that s what makes us precious. that s what makes people precious and valuable. is that we care for each other and we love each other and we live our love. so the back story for those of you that may have missed it jordan had been missing for 66 days spotted in his disabled sailboat by a passing cargo ship about 200 miles off the coast of north carolina he was medivac d by the coast guard to the hospital. what s remarkable chris, is that he only had a shoulder injury but otherwise was okay. he apparently rationed his food. he said then he ate raw fish and drank rainwater in order to survive. it sounds like a movie. like part of the unbroken movie that came out about zamperini. i can t believe, imagine what goes through your mind for two months. survive. more than that. incredible. we re going to take a break. when we come back more on the bloody terror attack that has kenya and the world reeling. al shabab 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connection with a number of other bloody murders in especially in the case of a quarry massacre as it were where about 30 miners were shot dead in their sleep. he has been wanted by kenyan authorities for a long time. they ve now upped the price on his head. i understand there was a gret against this university by al shabab in december. was it your sense, was it from the same subsect at al shabab. was there anyone doing at the university to make it safer for the students in the time before the attack? there s been a number of threats throughout nairobi, mum bassa bassa and focusing on tertiary indications which would be essentially soft targets, it s not like they re going to be hitting an embassy that would be heavily fortified. it would just be a few unarmed security guards we haven t known if they did up their security back in december. but it certainly sounds like there wasn t much security definitely not one that any that could withstand the well-armed militaryic group that ambushed the university yesterday morning. you wrote an article last week about fears that al shabab may be on the verge of joining up with isis. tell us more about that. you ve talked about the threats that are there in the country and around the region. well on the top levels the leadership levels that s really been refuted as it were. al shabab leadership we re told from the highest levels is not interested in joining the islamic state. however, we understand that the lower levels of al shabab. the younger sort of young lions as they call themselves enjoy the way the islamic state portrays itself. it s flashy flashy videos extremely brutal. the way that it s able to attract foreigners online. those sorts of things are quite interesting to the younger, the younger erer factions of al shabab. there s been a number of skirmishes between certain groups some who believe they should join isis others who believe they should remain loyal to al qaeda. we understand that the elders will make the final call. and the final call at the moment to remain affiliated with al qaeda. african union and kenyan forces were said to have felt confident that they were close to eradicating al shabab within kenya. this has to be seen as a major setback. did they underestimate the group s power? all of these attacks i believe are underestimating the power of al shabab to strike. almost at will. both at home in somalia and next door here in kenya and in 2010. we saw they struck in campala as well. these attacks, extremely militarily precise, they come very well armed. and they re attacking targets where a policeman may have only seven bullets or an unarmed security guards places like malls, people that cannot shoot back. they re aiming for civilians and don t care if they die in the process. this is an incredibly difficult enemy for a military or intelligence service to fight. al shabab has been on the back foot. they ve been chased all around somalia. key ports being seized loss of revenue, 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checks hundreds of websites so people can get the best hotel prices to plan, compare and book the perfect trip visit tripadvisor.com today two new religious freedom laws are now in effect in indiana and arkansas. they re a lot closer now to what they were originally promised to be. the original measures showed potential to discriminate against gays. it took an overwhelming backlash to move lawmakers to revamp them. that said the situation is far from over. we have someone uniquely suited to tell us why. his name? russell moore. president of the southern baptist ethics and religious liberty commission. i wish you a blessed good friday and thank you for joining us on the show. happy good friday to you, chris, thanks for having me. do you understand why the consensus became that these laws needed to be fixed? well i can hardly hear the debate over the sound of thomas jefferson rolling in his grave. because the very fact that religious freedom would be this sort of divisive culture war issue this week is really troubling. it ought to be troubling for all americans, not just for people like me a conservative evangelical. the laws as they were initially articulated in indiana and in arkansas were not discriminatory. and the language that was being used against them was simply a false narrative. now, arkansas i think got it right. the arkansas bill is good. and it protects religious exercise in a helpful way. indiana, on the other hand is a train wreck. the indiana bill is i think even worse than what the situation was without any rfra protection. how could it be worse, when under federal law, as it is and under state law as it is in just about every state, actually i believe every state, if you go after an exercise of someone s religion you re going to lose in court. it is one of the most protected freedoms that we have. that s simply not true. how so? people lose in court over the exercise of their religion all the time. this happened with a photographer in new mexico who had conscientious objections to photographing a same-sex marriage. lost in court. because it wasn t deemed a legitimate exercise of religion. it was deemed she doesn t like gays. well no that s not what was happening. what was happening the court said that in balancing these things they felt there was a compelling interest to compel her to do this. which was? all of that these religious freedom bill does is say we have to balance religious conviction over against government interests. and the government has to prove why they have a reason to pave over someone s conscience in the sake of the public good. right, but it s always been that way. it s always been put to strict scrutiny. no it s not. the reason why we have a religious freedom restoration act at the national level, is because the supreme court eviscerated that balancing test. that s why we needed it and that s why we had a broad consensus from the far left to the far right to say we need to respect religious conviction in this country. no the reason we have the federal law from 1993 is because of what we saw in supreme court precedent required by the court, for a law to be passed to protect discreet religious minority practices. like the use of peyote ritually by native americans, even though it would be captured as a narcotic otherwise. that s not what these laws were motivated by or of course it is. if you re right, then why did they change them? the laws are motivated to say, the religious conviction isn t up for majority vote and that everybody ought to have a hearing and a day in court. religious freedom laws don t give anyone a card in order to win in court. it s simply says that the government has to have a certain standard. but that is exactly the criticism that wound up changing the indiana law. the proof is not in the pudding in this case, it s in the humble pie. because the indiana lawmakers had to change the law. why were did they change it? the criticism of the indiana law was based upon a willful misrepresentation of the indiana law. by? in a way that s unprecedented in the american history. it ought to bother progressives as well as conservatives. several years ago when it was really popular for someone on the right to say that we ought to zone mosques out of existence or deport muslims from this country, there were many of us who said no. that is we need to stand up and protect the religious consciences, even of muslims with whom i would disagree religiously. now we have the same thing that wasn t about religious conscience that may have been religious conscious to you in rejecting it. that was about a zenophobia. that wasn t about of course it is that s what i m saying is the state should not come in and use its power to zone mosques out of existence. nor should the state come in and say, we re not going to take into consideration your religious convictions at all when we force you and compel you into commerce. in some way or other. mr. moore, my question to you is this why hide from the obvious motivations that were behind this law. is it a coincidence, that i m talking to you, a christian conservative? is it a coincidence that the supporters of these bills, that the signing and thereafter were christian conservatives who have well-known agendas to try to stop and frustrate the lgbt movement? why do you ignore that aspect of this? and say, well it s about muslims and it s about protecting nuns from buying insurance. because it is. look at all the cases we ve been dealing with. it is about nuns being forced to buy insurance. it is about people who are being forced not to wear hijabs in their workplaces, it s about 1,000 situations of unpopular decisions in christians and jews and muslims and others and saying that the government shouldn t force religious conviction out of the way at the point of a sword. that s what this is all about. the reason why you have conservatives standing here without progressives is because progressives who used to be part of this coalition have suddenly disappeared and have become frightened away for standing up for religious freedom. because they believe in they believe in things that they think matter more. like equal protection of people under the constitution. untrammelled sexual freedom that trumping every other up trampled sexual freedom? yes. lgbt people that s who they are, this is not about sexual freedom. this is an identity. and people who have religious convictions that could say, i don t want to be forced to participate in something that would violate my conscience that s who we are, too. you can have your religion but you can t make it will rule for everybody else. that s where you get my muslim friend may not want may not want to provide pork barbeque for my church potluck as a caterer. i shouldn t have the power of the government to force him to do that. you wouldn t have it in that case and you know it. it s about whether or not you want to recognize a gay marriage. you think it s a sin. you don t want to do it. that s exactly right. but if it s the law of the land you have to. that s a decision that he and i ought to make. it s no the a pork sandwich when you re trying to deny the fairness under law to an entire class of people. it s not about a pork sandwich. nobody is trying to deny fairness under the law. we ve heard from several sources on this who want to be honest which is rare commodity these days that when and if indiana passes this state law, that allows for same-sex marriage this law would be a way to give you a defense against participating in what certain christians see as a sin. that this law would have allowed them to do that. first of all, that s just true legally. if you don t think that s what this law would have allowed people to do you don t understand the law. then you don t understand the law, chris. how so? we ve had a religious freedom restoration act in this country for over 20 years. it was drafted, intended and materially different than what was in indiana s law. it s not materially different from indiana. it said people and you extend it to businesses. the differences in indiana were substantively exactly the same. you moved it to private actions. then why would they change it. supported by the court. that s why we ve had the hobby lobby decision. hobby lobby was different, it s a real decision and it s something that should be taken into consideration going forward. nobody says otherwise. if you look at the federal law in this one, it is materially different. it is not materially different. then you tell me why this isn t materially different? the federal law is about discrete religious minorities. this is empowering a religious minority. that is about people this is about businesses. the federal law is not singling out particular religious minorities. if the federal law did that, it would be a violation of the first amendment. i didn t say it did i said any discrete religious minority. talking about religious conscience generally and that the government has to show a reason, a compelling reason and a least-restrictive means for thousand they re achieving their objective over and against genuine religious convictions. . those standards would have been in place otherwise. why won t you own something that s not wrong? there s not on the basis of the supreme court decision. all the supreme court did was, it said that the federal rfra doesn t apply to the states, they said it in 2007. they said you need your own laws. this law in indiana was not a dupe of the federal law. if you don t want to accept that. i m not here to convince you. but there s very little disagreement on that. that s why they changed the law. why not own the intellectual honesty of saying i don t believe in gay marriage and i don t believe the state should have to to tell me i have to participate in it because i m against it. i have every right to lobby for it. i don t think the state ought to force me to participate. that s what it s about. it s not about hijabs and pork sandwiches. nor do i think the government ought to coerce anyone to participate in something against their conscience. unless the government can show a compelling interest to do so. all that these laws do is to say that the government has a burden to prove that and to show that. and we ve had rfra at the federal level for 20 years, it has never gotten anyone out of any discrimination case. because it wouldn t apply to what you want it to apply to. that s why indiana drafted the law differently. that s why arkansas drafted it differently. that s why there was this huge backlash. what do you think, everybody just has it wrong? all of these businesses that usually want to not get involved with this a lot of businesses that have conservative sympathies, they want to get into this? sports organizations that have enough problems of their own? they want to get into this? you think this is what they wanted? i think what we have is a situation in american culture, where the very idea of religious liberty is toxic. who says that? there is a total misunderstanding of what it takes to be motivated by a religious conscience. please tell me where this comes from mr. moore, especially you, because your distinguish yourself and your environment and one, i think very important way many christian conservatives believe that not only is gay is a choice but it s like a virus. and you can be degay-fied through therapy. you took a big stand and you said i don t believe in these therapy programs. we shouldn t do this. we misunderstand what homosexuality is about. that was very progressive for you, it was dangerous for you in certain circles. why don t you see the same through-logic in this situation? because what we re saying here is that we have legitimate disagreements in american society about sexual morality. those disagreements should not be decided at the point of a government mandate. yes. the disagreement shouldn t be decided. of course not. this is about dedebate robust always alive in america. what you re saying is we can believe secretly in our heart what we believe. but we have to be forced to participate in things that we believe are violations of our conscience. when you talk about potential risk. theyed that anybody would want you to participate in their marriage when they know that you hate them for wanting to get married that way. i think is fairly remote. we ll see how the it happens all the time. you believe it openly. we have we have people now who are losing their businesses. that s not true. because they re saying we don t want to participate in gay marriage. as we see more evolution of the law at the state level. as we see what happens with the supreme court in june on this issue. this was a preemptive action to give a back-stop of legal protection in case that happens. think it s as clear as day to people it s as clear to the lawmakers as it is to me, because they changed the laws in exactly the way that comports with our understanding of it. that i m presenting to you right now. and no one says you have to believe it just in your heart. be loud be outspoken, be compelling. say why you think it s wrong. as long as the government forces me to participate in things that i believe are immoral. the government says it is equal protection for same-sex people to have marriages, same-sex marriage then that s it. this is america. it s always worked like that. these same arguments were used against blacks in the 50s. that is ridiculous chris. what s redickous? these arguments were not used against blacks. of course it was. people believed as a matter of conscious. the civil rights movement triumphed because it was a moral cause that said that the united states government is not living up to its founding documents and the civil rights movement was right. what s happening right now with a government that is not recognizing genuine pluralism is a government that is moving away from mr. jefferson s america. not towards it. you know this word pluralism is getting used a lot. i think it s important that you bring it up. pluralism means that everybody has a seat at the table, okay? that s right. it doesn t mean that when the consensus at the table is that some of the seats don t get what they want they get to bow out. and that is not pluralism, okay? that is pejoratianism. i m asking for fairness under law, under the constitution of the united states and the 14th amendment of equal protection. if the supreme court finds that same-sex marriage is equally protected. states against protecting religious liberty in order to say that the majority view wins. your religion cannot be the rule for everyone in america. and the dissenters ought to be protected. i m a christian, i believe to rendering unto caesar that which belongs to caesar but caesar does not own our consciences. jesus was talking about taxes when he said that not respecting humanity. you think that jesus is not talking about what it means to be created in the image of god and the conscious that is answerable to god? look you re the theologian but here s yesterday, maundy thursday the maunda means command, love one another like i have loved you. he did not qualify it he did not provide an exception to that. he s going to today be commemorated for sacrificing himself on a cross for the forgiveness of all sins of all people. certainly at this time in the religious calendar for you not to be as a preacher embracing everyone and sending that message, is very very unusual to even my simple christian mind. and i don t understand how you separate the two messages. i really don t. the idea that what jesus meant is that we ought to have a government that forces mennonite pacifists to participate in military celebrations is very far from anyone s understanding of what s happening on maundy thursday or good friday. it s good to have robust debate on this and i appreciate you being here. there will be more need for this going forward. i look forward to having you back on the show and a good easter to you, sir. happy easter to you, chris, thanks. we re engaging in this issue because it matters to the cultural development in this country. you see the sides laying out in this debate. mr. moore s position i tested it? what do you think. tweet me or go to facebook.com/newday. there s a lot of news today, so let s get to it. framework for a history-making nuclear pact with iran now in place. if iran cheats the world will know it. i m very concerned about what is not in this agreement. some of our senators in congress will need to step back take a deep breath. they re regrouping and of course still launching the cross-border attacks. i take this opportunity to urge kenyans to stay calm. as we resolve this matter. two women in new york charged with planning an isis-inspired bomb plot. sthees a very friendly woman. they re very lovely people. rescued after 66 days stranded at sea in a disabled boat. crying and sad that dead and i wasn t dead. announcer: this is new day, with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning, and welcome back to your new day. alisyn camerota has the day off. but chris and i are here handling the news for you today on this good friday. the framework for a landmark nuclear deal with iranians is now in place. president obama hailing it as historic but it is only a blueprint. three more months of challenging negotiations lie ahead to finalize it. now comes the big sell right? the president says this is a good deal. there s safe guards in place to catch the iranianes if they cheat. he s warning members of congress not to mess with it there are other ideas afoot in this discussion. we ll cover it from every angle. start with cnn global affairs correspondent elise labott live in switzerland. it s a little bit of a surprise the detail presented in this framework. a lot of us didn t see it coming. that s right, chris, we ve been talking all week we thought it was going to be a general statement, a broad political framework that had some curbs on iran nuclear program, but left all the hard issues to later. so my colleagues and i following this stuff very closely, very surprised, let s talk about some of the key elements of the deal. it reduces iran s centrifuges, which enrich uranium by about two-thirds they had about 19,500. now they re going to have about 6,000. it s going to reduce its enriched uranium stockpile which is significant. those things will extend what they call the breakout time that iran would have enough fissile material to build a nuclear weapon from two-thirds two months that it is now to about a year. which is the goal that the administration had. and that in exchange iran gets to lift sanctions in phases. it will get a lot of economic benefit. but first then the u.n. security council phases sanctions will be lifted out in phases. i sat down with secretary of state john kerry yesterday. because you know the elephant in the room in these talks was really congress. they ve been threatening sanctions. now there s legislation pending in congress which has almost a veto-proof majority which would give them a vote a say on whether the deal could go through. i asked him whether congress could kill this deal. take a listen. that would be very irresponsible to make politics trump facts and science. and the realities of what is possible here. it would be particularly irresponsible to do it when you have six nations, actually iran too, but the p5+1 permanent members of the security council, plus germany. you know china, and russia which don t have always everyday common interests with us in everything. but they are absolutely dedicated to the enforcement of this. the hard work begins negotiators will take a little bit of rest possibly for the holiday. and then come back to renegotiate the fuller comprehensive agreement. due at the end of june. that s going to be very difficult to put all of those technical details on the broad strokes they agreed to yesterday. michaela? elise, live in jerusalem. let s turn to here in the united states on the challenge for president obama, selling that agreement to congress. and getting it across the finish line. let s bring in cnn national correspondent sunlen serfaty live at the white house. this may be the heavy lifting for the president. absolutely. it is going to be a heavy lift for the white house, michaela. congress is going to challenge president obama on this. there s already a series of defiant bills lined up ready and waiting on capitol hill for the president. republicans have said that this deal has made too many concessions to iran. and democrats have their responses basically tepid at best here. congress is back in two weeks from easter recess. it is then when republican senator bob corker he has said he will move that week on a bill this is a bill that has already elicited a veto threat from the white house. and it would basically in essence, if it gets a veto-proof majority give congress the ability to approve or reject this deal. now the white house has argued that this bill would undercut their ability at the negotiating table, key is looking for senate democrats here will they defy the house white house on this. president obama had a stern warning for congress. if congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it s the united states that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. international unity will collapse. and the path to conflict will widen. the wlous is going to be very white house is going to be very aggressive on this. reaching out to key senate democrats who have not said one way or the other where they will come down on the bill. the white house notes they need these senate democrats to remain on their side in this. chris, they have a lot of convincing to do. absolutely. not just at home abroad as well. u.s. major ally in the region israel they say they do not share president obama s assertion that this is a good deal. prime minister netanyahu says the framework agreement threatens his country s very survival. cnn s oren lieberman is live in jerusalem. what s the stronger reaction today? well we expect another statement from benjamin netanyahu shortly if that continues with what we ve heard from him lately it will be some very very strong words against this deal. in fact i think his latest statement was perhaps the strongest rhetoric we heard so far. after the deal came out, netanyahu s government released a statement, netanyahu himself released a statement saying that this deal increases the risk of quote a horrific war. horrific war, some very very strong rhetoric coming from netanyahu. he sees this deal as a bad deal for a number of reasons. both for what s in the deal and not in the deal. netanyahu hat criticized the fact that the deal doesn t take apart iran s nuclear infrastructure. it limits it changes it but that s not what netanyahu wanted to see. his other big criticism was that the lifting of sanctions is not tied to iran pulling back its aggression in the region. that is what netanyahu has seen as the biggest threat to the security of israel and the security of the stability of the region. those are netanyahu s big criticisms here he s in a cabinet meeting right now. he called this emergency cabinet meeting this morning or late last night. we expect him to put out a statement shortly. so we ll have the statement for you. i think we have a good sense of what he s going to say. he s going to criticize the deal. the question is does his language get even stronger and perhaps this week we got a hint of his strategy moving forward. he met with house speaker john bain anywhere israel. he met with senator mitch mcconnell in israel. congressional republicans who have criticized this deal. if they work with netanyahu. they could pose a big stumbling block to president obama moving forward. chris certainly also worth noting that the intelligence minister said the military option is still on the table here. all right. the threat is very real. thank you for the download. oren. no question the prime minister has sway in congress. what is the reaction in congress? what is the likely outcome here in terms of their action? joining us now, senator angus king an independent from maine. thank you for the new day dedication joining us on your way home and a blessed good friday to you, sir. thank you, chris, nice to be with you. so the big concern is, at least for the president, that congress will go its own way here. and put out sanctions against iran. in lieu of the details that we now have for the framework. what do you think the likely outcome is from congress? i think bob corker as you mentioned, is going to be moving forward probably right after the recess. there are a number of people from the democratic caucus including myself who have signed on to that bill. but i think our support is conditional upon a demonstration that this decision can be handled responsibly and without becoming simply another exercise to try to partisan exercise to try to embarrass the president. this is just too important for that. but the bill the corker bill wouldn t apply, it would only apply to the u.s. sanctions, and it wouldn t apply obviously until there was a final deal. as you pointed out this morning. nothing signed. what we have is a detailed framework. a lot more detail than i think anybody expected. but the idea would be it would require 60 votes. there are some safeguards built in. but the underlying question is the one that you re going to be examining today. and in future days. that is whether the republicans in congress can approach this on the facts and the merits weighing the alternatives and not just saying if it s obama s idea we re against it. it turns out if it s moving in that direction, chris, i m out. i m not going to support something that s simply going to be a partisan cudgel. you do have objective basis for pushback on this framework. the washington post has an op-ed out saying that the parameters fall well short of the goals originally set by the administration. is this framework even if achieves all that it sets out, not enough? well the heart of it to me is verification. and that s really whether or not we can verify what s going on in there. there are, think a lot of people were surprise. i was surprised yesterday at the length to which for example, reducing 10,000 down to 10,000 kilograms down to 300, shipping spent fuel out of the country, two two-thirds reduction in centrifuge. all of those things are meaningless unless there s powerful strong intrusive investigation and verification. if that s the case and that s where the details are going to come you know obviously that s going to be the real discussion. that takes place over the next several months both here in this country, around the world, and iran and particularly between the negotiators. but if if look chris, you got to look at the alternatives. if as you re interviewing people today and they re telling you why it s such a bad deal. ask them what their alternative is. a lot of people think this is just us and iran. it isn t. it s china, it s russia they re involved in these discussions, the entire security council of the united nations. and we don t have the unilateral power to keep the sanctions going if those countries decided we blew up the negotiations unnecessarily. that s option one is we could lose all international support for the sanctions which means, they re ineffective. or the other alternative, is war, is bombing, and most people estimate that a thorough bombing campaign would set their project, their nuclear weapons project back between two and three years. so where are we then where they ve you know they re back two or three years from now where they are and you think they re going do negotiate then if we bomb them? this is pretty serious stuff. the question is, not is this a great deal. but is this a better deal than what the alternatives are. and so far, i m impressed that the deal is more detailed more intrusive, has more limitations, longer limitations, than i anticipated. i m not ready to sign on and say it s terrific. but i think it s a really positive step forward. and i sure don t want to see it derailed just because you know people want to embarrass the president or make some kind of partisan points. that would be that would be tragic. just a quick final thought. you know the apolitical criticism would be yes, all these goals and aims that you lay out are probably beneficial and better than the alternative, if it s war. but what do you give to get them? and in what you give do you wind up giving up too much that doesn t give you the leverage going forward to enforce the deal? well of course that s a really good point. but as i read the facts, and the briefing i got yesterday from the white house, the sanctions don t go away until iran complies. and then there s, there are provisions for what s called snap-back. which means there s a violation, the sanctions come right back in. and i think that s very important. one other point that was made in the prior report. the israelis are now moving the goal posts and saying we ve got to get iran to quit misbehaving in the region. that wasn t the focus of these negotiations. and frankly, that s a very unrealistic goal. it would be a nice goal it would be terrific if we could achieve that. but let s deal with one issue at a time. and the real issue is a nuclear armed iran. they re still going to be troublesome in the region. they re still going to be a threat. they re still going to be an enemy of ours. but if we can get the nuclear arms off the table. that s a big deal. senator king thank you very much. enjoy your vacation have a good easter. thank you, chris. all right. this morning the search intensifying for a key suspect behind the bloody university rampage at university in kenya. the death toll stands now at a staggering 147 people. mostly students. we re also learning that al shabab terrorist the singled out christians during that massacre. cnn s christian purefoy has the latest at garissa university college in kenya with the latest. michaela at 5:00 a.m. yesterday morning, al shabab terrorists drove down this road killed two policemen standing guard at that gate and went into the university with over 800 students waking up thinking it s just another normal day. now michaela we re standing here just on the other side of the fence of that university which is now in lockdown. we ve seen military trucks ambulances all sorts of security forces coming by. but to be honest it really is even here a sense of detachment about the mass murder and horror that must have gone on behind those gates. here s what we know so far. this morning, it s been just over 24 hours. [ screaming ] since al shabab gunmen terrorized this university in kenya. now with at least 147 dead and nearly 600 evacuated, the community of garissa in complete agony. the mag kerr beginning just before dawn on thursday. the terrorists descending on early morning prayers, reportedly separating muslims from christians. and killing the christians or taking them hostage. they started jumping up and down running foyer their lives. but it s unfortunate that where they are going to is where the gunshots were coming from. the gunmen then going dormitory to dormitory. before kenyan forces eventually corner them. the standoff lasting for hours, finally, at around 9:00 p.m. official the announced the end of the operation. garissa university college, some 90 miles west of the somali border. a region caught up in the ongoing battle with the somali-based terror group al shabab. kenya has been the primary driving force behind operations against al shabab in the region. the very same islamist extremists responsible for the 2013 westgate mall massacre in nairobi, kenya. according to reports, students had heard warning of an impending attack on their campus just this past week. the kenyan government now issuing a bounty of more than $200,000 for this man, muhammed muhammed, wanted in connection with the campus attack. though officials say kenyan forces killed the four terrorists responsible, nearly 17-hour siege, still too fresh. now al shabab s stronghold somalia, is about four hours drive over a bad road at 190 kilometers that way. it really is the badlands of northern kenya, a long porous border with somalia. very difficult to stop al shabab hitting soft targets like this. today, it s about kenya now beginning to come to terms with what happened behind those gates. back to you. all right, thank you very much for the reporting. we re still going to get information out of that. we ll check back with him in a little bit. breaking news as well in the flight 9525 investigation. investigators have a first look at what was on the plane s data recorder. that data they say proves co-pilot andreas lubitz put the plane into a dive and even accelerated on the way down. meanwhile, his tablet device was loaded with searches for suicide methods, cockpit doors and cockpit door security. lawmakers in indiana and in arkansas swiftly approving fixes that aim to remove the risk of religious freedom laws to avoid discrimination. protection as a class under state law. indiana added to its existing bill arkansas passed a narrower version of it its original bill which is now virtually identical to the federal religious freedom and restoration act. a good friday miracle to tell you about. this sailor adrift at sea for wait for it 66 days. now alive and well. cnn s martin savidge is live in norfolk, virginia with details. martin you want to shake your head and say, i don t buy it he looks too good. but what s the facts on the ground? louis jordan has an amazing story to tell. and he begins it by saying that back at the end of january, he went out from south carolina just to catch a couple of fish. he said. thought he would be gone a couple of hours. two months later he s rescued at sea. and his father admitted to us last night that he had thought his son was dead. an emotional reunion. father and son together for the first time in months. 37-year-old louis jordan was lost at sea for 66 days. his sailboat capsized leaving him drifting far from shore. there comes a time when you wonder if they could still be out there. surviving. louis speaking out for the first time reerks counting how he managed to survive. catching fish with his bare hands and eating it raw. and trapping rainwater. i was running out of water. drinking a pint a day for very long time. rationing that water, almost out. almost out. finally god answered my prayer. before i ran out of water. reported missing on january 29th jordan set out for a fishing trip. when the coast guard says his sailboat s mast broke and the electronics gear was damaged during rough weather. but on thursday after more than two months at sea, with a broken shoulder his fortunes changed. a german-flagged vessel rescued jordan about 200 miles east of north carolina s cape hatteras. he was medivaced to a virginia hospital. walked inside on his own two feet. here he s the first phone call with his father. how are you feeling? i m doing great now. i couldn t i couldn t fix it i couldn t sail back with my boat i m so sorry, such a big loss. hey, louis, you re fine son, i m so glad that you re alive. we prayed and prayed and we hoped that you were still alive. i was praying for you, i was afraid that you guys were crying and sad that i was dead and i wasn t dead. i was utterly grateful and thankful to the people who rescued me. and i was grateful to god that my parents were not going to be worried about me. an agonizing ordeal for jordan s family coming to a close. let s have a hug. i love this man. love him with all my heart. and chris, to your point, he does look to be in incredible medical condition, given the 66 days. that he was at sea. the story is still being investigated by authorities. there s no question that he was reported missing by his family. so how long he was gone is really not a doubt here. it is the conditions under which he actually had to survive. but no doubt he s also very lucky, because of the crew that spotted him at sea, the coast guard that brought him to shore and maybe the vessel he was on himself. which appropriately was named angel. chris and michaela. 66 days would put him back into some of the throes of winter. hard to believe. but until we know otherwise, we got to go with what he says. what a story, martin thank you for bringing it to us. all right the arrest of two new york women in an isis-inspired bomb plot sparking all sorts of new concern about home-grown terror is enough being done to kpat it? proemg says the iran deal is good. israel says no it isn t. it could compromise their very survival. is there a middle ground here? israel s chief government spokesman joins us awe head with his concerns. 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it does. this is a shift we ve sceneriesly. police army military these are seen as legitimate targets more than civilians. people entering this sort of level of extremism. when people decide do commit an act of violence civilians are harder pitch for al qaeda. remember we had a hatchet-bearing man in new york city trying to go after police. in ottawa we had an attack on the parliament building not on what al qaeda would refer to as innocent civilians. so this is an effort to get a target set, that s a little bit from their perspective, a little bit more legitimate than just a an innocent civilian. where do they stand as far as you re concerned, in terms of a threat within the organization these two? chump change. chump change. chump change. there s two sides to this coin. there s the good side of this. if you look at the criminal complaint and i ve read it these are no-talent clowns they made every mistake you could make. i feel like i should run a seminar for terrorists on how not to get into the claws of american security service. the problem with this and the reason people like me cringe is this is a volume business as daveed said there s so many of these people they can be low-talent but if you get hundreds of them and you miss two of them you got to do 100%. these are not serious players, but you got to worry when you get hundreds of them. when this goes to press later, his words not mine on the clown phenomenon. we go from bit players, daveed let s talk about the situation in texas it sounds like they netted a top al qaeda operative. a texas native he is going to be a valuable resource for intelligence will he not? that s something which i m a little bit more skeptical of unfortunately. the reason being that look he s in criminal court. and once someone gets mirandaized, everyone knows you stop talking. this is one situation where once you get someone into criminal court, they stop being a valuable resource unless a plea deal can be struck whereby he gives up valuable information for a lighter sentence. boy this is a lottery ticket for the intelligence folks, i would die to hear this guy talk. the problem is as soon as he lawyers up you know what that lawyer is going to say. stop talking. there s another psychological piece to this. he s been gone since 2007 in the midst of al qaeda. when you become ideologically turned for that long a period of time the likelihood that you re going to come back and say wow, i made a huge mistake, is lower. that s chance he s just sitting there saying i joined the right group. don t talk to me, i believe in what i joined. he s not a viable source there for information. but daveed,ky sleep better at night knowing he s off the streets. absolutely. i mean i think we can be glad about that. there s an interesting series of events with him being basically sent back to texas after, being apprehended in pakistan. there s some cooperation that was taking place there. he has valuable intelligence. and one other thing i would point out is that the u.s. has gotten quite a bit of valuable intelligence within the past few months. net it s helped to loop in other big fish in the al qaeda chain. gentlemen, we appreciate you joining us on this good friday thank you for your intelligence and your colorful language as always. chris, i ll send it over to you. as an easter gift to mudd. he does not want to start a program for terrorists to figure out how to avoid the authorities. he was just using that as a demonstration of their own inept ineptitude. i think that s a safe bet. if i offered that impression i m not taking money from terrorist groups that s a federal violation. mr. mudd has a book coming out, we ll tell you about it next week. an easter tease. when we come back israel s prime minister says a nuclear deal with iran isn t just a bad deal. it threatens his nation s very existence. so what is he going to do about it? 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we believe it s possible to get a much better deal. we see what s on the table now as a step in the wrong direction. as very dangerous. because you re giving international legitimacy to ultimately an iranian nuclear program whose goal is sole goal is to have a nuclear weapon. and there shouldn t be that legitimacy. on the contrary. we believe the international community should hold out until you get a better deal that actually substantially dismantles the iranian nuclear program and commits iran to a new set of behavior. if iran wants to be treated as a normal country, it has to be to start acting like a normal country. they shouldn t be exporting their aggression throughout the region. you know what they re doing in iraq and in syria and in lebanon and now today in yemen as well. you know what say you you have to separate the nukes and the outlining foreign activity. you have to start somewhere and the question becomes how do you get a better deal than right now? what could you do to iran that you haven t already done at least for the united states 35 years, having them as an off the sized entity. the truth is in the only in the last two or three years that the united states have ratcheted up sanctions and the iranians have been feeling the pressure. here we have to give a word of thanks to the administration in congress for putting those very tough sanctions in place. now we think those sanctions should stay in place. until the iranians actually take substantive steps to dismantle their nuclear program. ultimately if you take that away what motivation do the iranians have for making real concessions? if this deal goes forward as it is there is a whisper that israel might consider a unilateral attack against iran because of its own properties of self-defense. is there a real chance of that? let s be clear. just this week once again the iranian leadership this time a top general, reiterated that he actually said that israel s destruction is nonnegotiable. in other words, it s something the iranians are willing to talk about anything but destroying israel they can t discuss that. that s part of their very being. so obviously nuclear weapons, nuclear potential in the hands of such a regime, is for us a scenario that we don t, we don t want to go there. you have to know chris, it s not just israel s problem. our arab neighbors, those large sunni moderate countries in the region they support our position on this issue. and i d urge you to remember when arabs and israelis agree, as we do on iran it doesn t happen every day of the week. when we agree, i would urge people to pay attention. i would urge you to remember chris, that iran is building intercontinental ballistic missiles. those missiles are not for us they ve got missiles that can hit tel aviv and jerusalem. those missiles are to hit targets well beyond the horizon and that includes north america. so the idea of military action in response to this deal isn t just saber-rattling. in a quick statement you re saying that s a real option on the table? we would of course like to see a deal that actually significantly dismantles the iranian nuclear program. we d like to see that done diplomatically. okay. but of course israel is here under direct threat. it s the responsibility of every democratic government in my prime minister was just re-elected with a mandate. we have to protect ourself. mr. regev, thank you for giving us the perspective of israel. pleasure having you on the show. new evidence from the germanwings flight data recorder that s been found confirms that the crash was indeed deliberate. we may never know why, but journalists from a german publication who spoke with the pilot s friend may give us some insight, next. we all eat foods that are acidic. most of the time people are shocked when we show them where they re getting the acid and what those acids can do to the enamel. there s only so much enamel on a tooth, and everybody needs to do something about it now if they want to preserve their teeth. i recommend pronamel because it helps strengthen the tooth and makes it more resistant to acid breakdown. we want to be healthy and strong through the course of our life and by using pronamel every day, just simply using it as your toothpaste, you know you will have that peace of mind. e plane and thought. yeah! empty seat next to me. and then i saw him slowly coming down the aisle. one of those guys who just can t stop talking. i was downloading a movie. i was trying to download a movie. i have verizon. i don t. i get that little spinning wheel. download didn t finish. i finished the download. headphones on. and i m safe. i didn t finish in time. so. many. stories. vo: join us and save without settling. verizon. music plays love you by the free design attendant: welcome back. man: thank you. it s not home. but with every well considered detail . . . it becomes one step closer. no wonder more people. . . choose delta than any other airline. at book club they were asking me what you re doing now, janice. blogging. your blog is just pictures of you in the mirror. it s called a fashion blog todd. well, i ve been helping people save money with progressive s discounts. flo, can you get janice a job? [ laughs ] you should ve stuck to softball! i was so much better at softball than janice, dad. where s your wife, todd? vacation. discounts like homeowners multi-policy i got a discount on this ham. i ve got the meat sweats. this is good ham, diane. paperless discounts give it a rest, flo. all: yeah, flo, give it a rest. new this morning, investigators say that data from flight 9525 s data recorder confirms that the co-pilot deliberately crashed the plane. this as investigators are calling the crash premeditated murder. after discovering the co-pilot andreas lubitz had done internet searches about suicide and about cockpit doors. jillian reich eld is editor in chief of bild. this is a big development. the flight data recorder now showing that this was deliberate. the internet searches proving this was premeditated murder. this is a big, big development. yes, good morning, michaela. what we re learning this very moment coming out of the investigation in france is the second black box seems to confirm that andreas lubitz deliberately started the descent of the plane. initiated it and increased the speed of the plane to crash it into the mountain. that is coming out of the investigation from the prosecutor in france right now. what we are learning. and you know yesterday we were told by the german investigator that he had been looking for ways of suicide on the internet. in the past days and weeks. that was taken from his tablet computer. to us that kind of indicates that maybe his plan to crash the plane evolved, that he was looking for more so to say traditional ways of suicide in the beginning. and then went on you know moved on to that plan and started looking up ways to block the cockpit door. looking up the locking mechanism. the security mechanisms of the cockpit door. so it seems like a plan that evolved out of a a so to say normal suicide plan into what it then became. it evolved. let s talk about this conversation you had with a friend of the co-pilot. what did this person tell you about this man? it was actually our reporters speaking to several friends of his. one of them pretty close to him. and what is interesting there is that as of now, pretty much everyone knew about his mental condition. knew that he was seeking treatment. very much seems that his family knew that he was on heavy medication. and you know the question coming out of that is to us did he conceal to friends and family that he was still you know on active duty? that he was still in the cockpit? or did he you know did everyone know that he was flying? although he was in a very bad mental place and receiving heavy medication? we have learned from the investigation, from documents that are part of the investigation, that he was on a combination of heavy antidepressant that increases the risk of suicide. has been on that for weeks. and that at the same time on a sleeping medication that is also used to treat panic attacks. doctors that we have consulted tell us this combination of medication wouldn t even allow you to drive a car, not talking about flying a plane. let me ask you, if they had these concerns the people that knew this man, did they ever make them aware, the airline aware? did they ever speak of their concern leading up to or right after? why are we only hearing about this now? well that isle big question everyone is asking right now. we know from records that andreas lubitz was concealing to the doctors just days before he crashed the plane, that he was on active duty. he was telling them the doctors, he consulted, that he was on sick leave, he was not flying, but he wants to get back in the cockpit. possibly because he was afraid that someone would report him. he was seeking treatment while concealing that he was still flying. you know we re very certain that his friends and family knew about his condition. but as of now, it seems more likely that he tried as much as possible to conceal also from them that he was flying. because it s very hard to imagine that they knew about the condition, you know his family was actively taking him to doctors. you know it s very hard to imagine that they were taking him to doctors and at the same time allowing him to fly commercial airliner. it is shocking shocking developments that you, bild online is reporting. this is not cnn s coverage. julian richeichelt, thank you so much. tomorrow is the final vote can wisconsin end kentucky s historic season? what about michigan state versus the dukies? we ve got a preview. i ve smoked a lot and quit a lot, but ended up nowhere. now i use this. the nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release technology helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that s why i choose nicoderm cq. get your hoops on. right. this week is as big as college basketball gets. it was almost kind of almost wasn t. that s true. because of the controversial indiana religious freedom law. it s now xs and o boys. cats cats cats. giving away the bias. andy scholes, this morning s bleachers report. this may be the best pairings we ve seen in recent history. true or true? very true chris. absolutely. i can t wait for this these match-ups tomorrow night. it s looking like it s going to be one of the best final fours we ve seen in a long time. s been kind of over shadowed this week by the religious freedom law. everyone was waiting to see how the teams in the ncaa would react to what s been going on here in indiana. the ncaa their headquarters are right down the street from where i m standing here in downtown indianapolis. they were the first to speak out against the religious freedom law. he says they aren t happy that this whole debate has been overshadowing this week s festivities. he said the bill is more important than a basketball tournament. so we came out fairly early in this process and we were hopeful that that could instigate some change and while we don t want to you know, overplay the roam that werole that we had in it we were happy that they decided to respond i think appropriately. now all the head coaches in the final four released a joint statement earlier this week about the religious freedom law. rachel nichols sat down with all of them to discuss the role sports has played in this controversy. you can catch that on all access. that s going to be tomorrow 2:30 eastern right here on cnn. of course the final four game tipoff tomorrow night at 6:00 eastern on our sister network, tbs. michigan state taking on duke. that should be an amazing game. that will be followed by undefeated kentucky taking on wisconsin in a rematch in last year s final four. everyone s waiting to see if kentucky can do this. go 40-0. no one wants to hear it. they will be getting it tomorrow night. my goodness. thank you very much. we ll be watching. we know many many many details still need to be ironed out. we have a framework for an iran nuke deal. what s in it what happens if iran does not comply. it tastes better when you grow it. it tastes even better when you share it. it s not hard, it s doable. it s growable. get going with gro-ables. miracle-gro. life starts here. shopping online. .is as easy as it gets. wouldn t it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano tuners. were just as simple? 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discrimination. this is new day with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning. welcome back to new day. it s friday april 3rd. 8:00 in the east. alisyn camerota but mich and i are here. there is history for a history making pack. world leaders have until the end of june to make these final arrangements stick. president obama wasted no time selling the agreement calling it a good deal but he still has congress to contend with warning them not to do anything to compromise what he deems a historic deal in the making. cnn is covering this from every angle starting with global affairs correspondent elise elise labott. she s joining us from switzerland. elise. reporter: well michaela. it s been a marathon a real roller coaster this past week. they do have this broad framework deal which in essence puts a lot of curves on the deal. let s talk about some of the key points of this deal. it reduces iran s centrifuges by about 2/3 to 6,000. it has about 19,500 right now. it also reduces its enriched uranium stockpile. two of those together are significant because that extends what they call the breakout time by which iran has enough fissile material to produce a nuclear weapon. right now it s about two months. they want that to last a year. in exchange iran gets all of its sanctions lifted in phases. it will start with those economic sanctions and then it will go to u.n. security sanctions as iran complies with the deal. as you said that full comprehensive deal is due at the end of june. now negotiators have to start putting the details on those broad strokes. i asked secretary kerry secretary of state john kerry yesterday what would happen if iran tried to renegotiate some of those terms of the deal. take a listen. then they don t get an agreement. i mean look we re very clear about where we are. if they try to renegotiate, you ll end? you won t give them an agreement? we ve agreed and we re not going to renegotiate things. we ve been very clear about that. and we also talked about the ups and downs of the negotiations. it s been an 18-month ride. he spent more time with any foreign minister. the iranian foreign minister than any foreign minister. certainly more than any u.s. official in 30 years has spent with an official from iran. it was contentious at times, it was emotional at times but he s very happy with the deal at hand. michaela. very much our thanks to you, elise. once a framework has been reached with iran president obama came out with warnings to congress. don t do anything to sabotage this. let s turn to sunday landlan serfaty. there s a series of defiant bills lined up to go on capitol hill. republicans say there are too many concessions for iran on the hill. there are many democrats on the hill that are very skeptical. congress comes back from a two-week recess in the middle of april. it is then when republican senator bob corker he says he will move forward with his bill. this is a bill that has already elicited a white house veto threat from the administration. the bill would basically if they get a veto proof majority give congress the approval the ability to approve or reject a deal in the end. now the white house has said that this will be disruptive to negotiations and they re really targeting senate democrats who might be skeptical but might be able to be convinced to stay on their side of this. here s president obama s warning to congress. if congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it s the united states that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. international unity will collapse and the path to conflict will widen. the white house is going to be have i very aggressive on this reaching out to congress. they have promised briefings. they ve promised high level engagement from members of the administration. they are targeting this specific group of skeptical senate democrats. they need to remain on their side but it is certainly going to be a large convincing job the white house has. sunlen thanks. let s bring in tony blinken. he s the deputy secretary of state and have him make the case. thank you for taking the opportunity. i am the disgruntled republicans, some democrats and your ally israel and i want you to i want to test your perspective on what their take is here. the first main one is you guys should have come to us sooner in congress about this because you went your own path we don t like the path. you went too far down that path and now we re going to put in our own sanctions because sanctions are the key. what is your punch back. so chris, first of all, this deal if it is finalized, pushes far into the future iran s pathways to a bomb. it cuts them off far into the future. it s the most effective thing we can do. to date we ve almost had 250 briefings, meetings hearings phone calls with members of congress and now we have the details. the president has instructed us to move out aggressively to work with congress in the weeks ahead to show them all of the details, to give them a chance to digest the details and then to move forward with congress. i believe my friend israel who says we cannot accept a deal that is not an if deal it s a when deal. you re just pulling out how long it will take them to get a weapon. they don t have to dismantle any of their nuclear facilities. they ll still have plenty. and we know that all they want to do is find a way to come up with a weapon and you re going to allow them to do that. actually chris, it s just the opposite. all of the critical pathways to a bomb are blocked and put off far, far into the future and, indeed many of the restrictions will last 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, some of them in perpetuity indefinitely. and the other thing that s so critical is this. if you don t like this deal and it s a very strong and good deal but if you don t like it that s fine but you have an obligation to say what is the alternative and how would you achieve it. this is the best achievable deal that we can get to deal with the iranian nuclear problem. my better deal is squeeze them. more sanctions. we ve only been doing real sanctions for a few years. let s get the p5 plus 1 and really squeeze them and allow them to dismantle the whole thing. they don t need nuclear power. they re an oil rich reserve country. so our partners, the international community, they all have a say in this. the deal we have with them is we would put the sanctions on get iran to the table and get a good deal. that s exactly wa we havehat we ve done. if we try to sanction iran into total capitulations. our partners will walk away iran will get all of the benefits of having trade and money from the international community and it will bear none of the burden of having to actually stop its program. that s the choice. leaders lead. the u.s. has to go first. the others will follow and you can t do a deal when they won t even discuss their feelings about the existence of israel. they say that s nonnegotiable. how can you do a deal with them when your biggest ally in the region israel is the target of their greatest hatred. actually this makes more israel more secure. it makes us more secure. it makes our partners in the region more secure. if there s no deal tomorrow iran could rush to a nuclear weapon. all of the centrifuges it was spinning will start spinning again. they are stay in place. this is a deal that makes us more secure israel more secure. they are duping you because they re using this nuclear negotiation as a distraction allowing them to run rough shod over the rest of the world. look at yemen, look at iraq look at what they re doing in syria and obviously their plans for israel. you re not addressing that. you re telling them it s okay as long as they do this kind of deal with you about nukes. absolutely not. we re addressing all of those problems very very vigorously. all of the sanctions that go to their destabilizing activities their support for terrorism, their human rights problems those remain in place. we ll be working very closely with our partners in the gulf. you heard the president say he s going to bring all of the leaders to washington to camp david for a summit to look at how we can increase the efforts we re making to stop iran s malicious activities. even as we do this deal we are standing strong and we are standing firm against everything else that they re doing. senator imagine this if they had a bomb imagine how much more embolden they would be and how much more difficult it would be to deal with them in these areas. this will make us more effective in dealing with the problems they pose. senator corker says he ll move forward with the bill. what do you think your chances are of convincing him and some democrats, mostly republican coalition that they put together of resistance on this? i had a great conversation with senator corker yesterday. he put out a very thoughtful statement. we ll be going over it with members in congress. what we need is time and space to bring this to conclusion to put in place the final details. it s a complicated process dotting all the is and crossing the ts between now and june 30th. if we have the time and space we ll be working with congress to play the oversight role they need to play. we know there s an iffy proposition. thank you for coming on allowing us to test your position. thanks a lot, chris. we want to take you to breaking news in kentucky. look at this industrial fire that s going on. we understand four companies fire companies are on the scene of a four alarm fire there at louisville s massive general election appliance park in louisville. that building engulfed is building number 6. it has been evacuated. we believe that it is being considered a total loss. we don t know what caused this fire but just last month a fire in the very same facility was caused by a dryer. we understand the smoke you can see thick, black smoke which means there s a whole lot of fuel in there still burning. all of this is going on while louisville is also dealing with widespread flooding after heavy rainfall overnight. you can imagine emergency crews there are stretched to the limit with the flooding and then this massive industrial fire that s going on. we ll continue to update this when we can. we ll see, we ll learn if there s a connection between the two, if there s some strain on the electrical something going on with the electrical. that s a developing story. we ll tell you what we know as we learn. we re learning more about the bloody ram pain at the university college in kenya as the search intensifies. al shabaab terrorists were literally singling out christians and opening fire. 147 people lost their lives, most of them students. we have cnn s christian purefoy with the latest in kenya. reporter: at 5:00 a.m. yesterday morning al shabaab terrorists drove up this dirt track, killed two policemen standing guard at that gate and then drove into the university where over 800 students were waking up to what they thought was just another day. now we have seen security trucks and ambulances going up and down this road but the military have locked down that university. even here on this side of the gate there is a sense of detachment about what happened the mass murder and horror that must have gone on yesterday. here s what we know so far. this morning it s been over 24 hours since al shabaab gunmen terrorized this university in kenya. now with at least 147 dead and nearly 600 evacuated, the community in complete agony. the massacre beginning before dawn. it s unfortunate that where they were going to is where the gunshots were coming from. the gunmen going dormitory to dormitory before kenyan forces eventually corner them. the standoff lasting for hours finally at around 9:00 p.m. officials announce the end of the operation. garissa university college, some 19 miles west of the somali border. a region caught up in the ongoing battle with a somali based terror group, al shabaab. kenya has been the primary driving force behind operations against al shabaab in the region. the very same islamist extremists responsible for the 2013 west gate mall massacre in nairobi, kenya. according to reports, students had heard warning of an impending attack on the campus. just this past week entering a bounty for this man, muhammad muhammad wanted in connection with the campus attack. the officials say kenyan forces killed the four terrorists responsible in the nearly 17 hour siege. still too fresh. somalia, al shabaab s strong hold is about a four hour drive in that direction. 190 kilometers down the track. now it s a long porous border. it s very difficult to stop these terrorists coming across and hitting soft targets like this. but for now, today, it s about kenya trying to come to terms with what happened behind those gates. back to you. all right. thank you very 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reporter: well, yes. dozens and dozens injured with gunshot wounds michaela which means that that death toll could rise significantly. in fact we re hearing, it s not confirmed, but we are hearing that the death toll is quite a lot higher than initially described by the minister of interior yesterday evening. 147 is what it s at right now. we believe that number could rise and it could rise significantly. just some of the things that we re hearing here in nairobi. every now and again you get message alerts coming from the local news services which state that bodies are being flown in from garissa to a local airport here in nairobi and taken to the mortuary. there are families that will have to go and identify their loved ones that were killed in yesterday s attack. the last message that we had was that 48 bodies had been flown in from garissa. you can imagine how horrifying it must be for these family members believing that their loved ones are going to come back for a long weekend. today is good friday. it s a long weekend. most students would have traveled home yesterday for the long weekend. instead they re being greeted by caskets. these families so much heart break for that community. to that point, it is easter weekend. we know we re learning this chilling detail, that the gunmen separated the nonmuslims from the muslims killing the christians. what a horrifying attack. yes. it s not the first time we ve seen this. there seems to be a pattern in these shabab at least recent shabab attacks. the first time we saw it was in and heard of it was in the west gate attack in 2013 when we were told that people inside the mall were killing each other. they had to recite a special verse on their korans. they were typing it so they could pretend they were muslims. those who were muslims could recite it by heart. nonmuslims were executed very similarly to yesterday s attack or kept aside. in some cases if they were children they were however, let go. we also saw this in a small village that was all but exterminated by al shabaab late last year. i went there. al shabaab were using rocket propelled grenades. they were lighting things on fire. they behaved very much like a small militia rather than a group of thugs. they blocked they were separating muslims from nonmuslims and oftentimes killing the nonmuslims. such horror. this is being considered the deadliest attack in kenya since the 1998 bombing of the embassy in nairobi. the west gate mall horrifying siege in 2013. this is all going on we understand while the kenyan president is saying there is a shortage of police. what is being done to sort of support the police services and maybe even find more willing and able police officers? reporter: unfortunately police don t get paid very much here in kenya, michaela. i mean unbelievably low amounts. i can t say offhand, but it is very very low. so sometimes officers are driven to corrupt measures to make up money in which to simply feed their families. it s not the kind of career that people try to go into unless they re absolutely desperate. so there is a shortage of police officers. in a time of war. in a time of terror. this is asymmetrical insurgent warfare, it s not conventional warfare that they can fight with tanks and planes. they can assimilate into the local population. they do have a lack of police. the president is saying that 10,000 young recruits will be released onto the streets very soon. you will remember that president barack obama is due to visit in july. these sorts of things will need to be sorted out. they very much will. we know that will be front of mind for the white house as they prepare for that visit. robyn kriel letting us know that the death toll is expected to rise. thanks for your reporting, we appreciate it. chris. mich we ll stay on that. the end of the battle with the religious freedom laws or just beginning? 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or does this con flaflagration strengthen the resolve and embolden them to come out in a way that maybe they hadn t? chris, that s true. that s great for primary season but there aren t enough of them in the nation to sway a general election. you don t think this issue plays not just to the fringe? you don t think it tries to get you into the mainstream of christianity? i think that all of the trend lines of the country are on the side of recognition of increased rights of gays and lesbians. for every day they re talking about this or other cultural matters like abortion it s a day they are not talking about the economy, they are not talking about the iranian deal. they are not talking about things that could bring out people that could decide the election. talk about a conflagration. you talk about the economy and what s going on business getting involved. we saw angie s list we saw the ncaa we saw all sorts of businesses voicing their concern and downright dismay with what was going on in indiana. although recently let s pull up this reaction from angie s list ceo sort of saying they re not happy with the fix. they say the position is the fix is insufficient. there is no repeal of rfra and no end to discrimination of homosexuals in indiana. do you think that is an indication business isn t warming to the fix. michaela you ve really put your finger on it. i don t think what triggered this was the evangelical reaction or the blow back i think it was this natural constituency for the gop. the chambers of commerce were on the flip side of this issue. if the final four were not in indy this weekend and into next week i don t think there would have been resolution of this issue. but the republican party in arkansas to be at odds with walmart or to be at odds with angie s list or any number of major corporations including apple over what went on in india, that s not where they need to be. money talks, there s no question about it. but, you know i have to tell you, one of the things that stood out to me i don t think we ve seen something happen this fast and furious on a social issue in a long time. that s right. a coalition had states sports big business coming out and driving a change to a social issue. well you saw republicans, you saw governor pence and you saw governor hutchinson both trying to wrap themselves in bill clinton from the early 90ed. i . i think the problem is we ve undergone a change. in the early 1990s. remember what i do i answer telephones from people across the country. in answering telephones in the early 90s people would have been lock step on the side of the baker. those days i think are largely over. since you re taking calls and i feel that you ve had it michaela from new york city. michaela has this question. a big week of news that you ll be sort of recapping, looking at digging through. iran. i mean a big, big, big historic story, but it s not done yet. obviously just a framework at this point. but also the fact that the president now has to come home and make the case to congress. and i think he s got a tough sale on his hands given, and you ve already been discussing this i saw the interview from the last half hour israel really holds a lot of cards with regard to what the gop controlled house will do. to the extent that prime minister netanyahu has already dug in on this and i saw the interview with mark regev, i think they clearly have it puts the gop leadership in a very tight spot. i d be very hard-pressed to see boehner and company take a position different from that of the israelis. do you think that there is anything they won t use as a political football or do you think that this is not a political football this is a legitimate earnest difference of opinion about how to deal with a potentially dangerous subject? i think there are legitimate concerns to be expressed against this deal. i don t want to say this is part and parcel of obama s for it we re against it although there s a heck of a lot of that that takes place in the country. what we ve seen recently is that the partisan divide on domestic issues has leapt into the foreign policy realm. now today everything is subject to that red state/blue state divide. michael, thank you very much. great to see you. this is just a taste. check out smerconish saturdays on 9:00 a.m. eastern. and you hear him weekdays at 9:00 a.m. eastern. we are continuing to monitor the massive industrial blaze going on in louisville kentucky. part of the ge appliance park if you will. we re showing you live pictures of that blaze. we re told it s a four alarm fire right now. the building it appears that parts of it the roof of it is collapsing. we re going to continue to monitor this and bring you more updates after the break. i don t understand. your grass, man! it s a living, breathing thing. it s hungry, and you ve got to feed it with scotts turf builder. that a boy, mikey! two feedings now in the springtime strengthens and helps protect your lawn from future problems. get scotts turf builder lawn food. it s guaranteed. feed your lawn. feed it! and to keep crabgrass away all season long, get scotts turf builder with halts crabgrass preventer. where do you get this kind of confidence? 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they didn t teach me that. how mind blowing is that? how much of a revelation is that? i think it s a big revelation for people but it s also a kind of nice alternative to a story that sometimes you might hear in bible class in sunday school. that was that mary magdalene was a prostitute repentant sinner. this other aspect that she might have been jesus s wife is a tanlt at thatlizing thing we want to know about. tantalizing is not always the same as being actual though. what do you see as you start to lay out the two different roads of who this woman was? we do believe she existed. yeah. so what do you think? we definitely think that she existed. there s no question about that. she s mentioned in the new testament 12 times but really very ee luce civilly. there s very little that s said about her. i think this kind of adds to the mystery about her. and one thing that we know is that it was a common thing for people to be also would have been associated with a man. so for these two figures to show up somehow associated with one another but are not explicitly said to be married, again, makes you wonder what s going on there. we know that mary was present when jesus was crucified and was there, among the first to discover he was missing from the tomb. that s not changed but that speaks to her importance in this story of jesus. yeah. absolutely. and i ll take this as two kind of separate things. her presence at the crucifixion is a little weird, little strange. she is not named as a family member. he has his mother there and not named as a disciple and a little dialogue about how jesus there says to his mother please kind of take over taking care of john my disciple as your son. but mary magdalene doesn t get factored in but mentioned. why is he mentioned and there at that moment? now, in terms of the resurrection that s hugely important because it says in all four gospels she is a witness to the resurrection. and that s tremendously, tremendously important for the christian tradition. how do you factor in the rules of the time with what you re able to find and document? you know like none of the disciples were women. it was san fized because it was such a male dominance theory and looking at it it was equally likely that he was patronized by women, older women and couples and may have had a lot of couples and didn t go with the narrative of the church they wanted drafting the different versions of the bible. i think the writings that are now in the new testament, i don t think they were necessarily being exclusionary and talking about particular characters and name the people as disciples but i don t think that they necessarily thought, oh by not calling mary magdalene a disciple, she shouldn t be considered as one. paul in the writings doesn t talk about mary magdalene and talks about women apostles, actually. so they re there in the tradition. we see them. but garageally as the church kind of masculinizes they have to do something about women with equals or disciples or followers so they re there early on. we see them but they start to fade out. hopefully this is planted a seed for you in the finale the sixth and final episode in finding jesus and airs per suspect for your sunday traditions this easter sunday at 9:00 p.m. thanks so much for joining us and giving us a little food for thought today. so welcome. little bit more food for thought. do you think you could live on $11 a day? not in new york. right? that s what some miami, florida, residents have to do. not cheap either. it s far from scenic south beach. children living in communities surrounded by high crime and very deep abject poverty but this week cnn hero is using music to inspire them to choose guitars over guns. meet chad bernstein. guitar over guns will be meeting today. please be on time and ready to rock. as a professional musician the disappearance of music in schools concerns me because i would be lost without music. our program offers free after school programming to at-risk middle schoolers. music is most important tool we have in reaching these kids. guys if you could go to the instruments. we split the program up in 30-minute chunks. mentoring, instrument instruction and ensemble experience. our mentors are professional musicians who build relationships. how s everything? we get to know what their lives are like at home. a lot of times these kids only see to the end of their block. we like to give them exposure to the rest of the world. vocals over there. watching the kids really transform is the best part. before the program, i wouldn t think that i would be in a studio. little bit off timing. but now, i probably could be like a teacher. you want to punch in the ending? 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swallowed by a sinkhole. a man disappeared overnight as a sink hole opened up under his bedroom. his brother pulled for safety, kim, following the unbelievable story. and we ll have the latest on a fire raging in california. today is the day when $85 billion in spending cuts go into effect. president and congressional leaders will meet today, if no deal is made, and we don t expect one, what happens to our economy? plus, the harlem shake. the internet craze rattling the faa. why the agency is very interested in this viral video filmed mid flight. doesn t look very safe. wade davis, a former player from the tennessee tig the tennessee titans, a sports agent, the archbishop of chicago, and others will be our guests, and walter t. shaw, a former jewel thief for the mafia that s now a movie producer. starting point begins right now. good morning, welcome, everybody. we begin with brand new information happening about the sinkhole. a terrifying story. apparently the sinkhole opened right under the bedroom of a man, right now, u.s. fire marshals telling us man is presumed dead. happened 15 miles east of tampa a brother trying to frantically save his other brother, but only a first responder could pull one of them out. the sinkhole kept growing and growing and growing. listen. the mattress, bed, everything going in the hole where the first person had gone and now the second person in the hole trying to save the first and they are not being successful. he basically reacted and did what he had to do to get that person out. how deep was the hole? deep enough that the person he pulled out to safety was not able to fully extend their arms and reach the top. take you live to the scene where that is happening in a few moments. also right now, crews battling a wildfire in southern california. 200 firefighters on the lines in riverside county east of los angeles. at least 150 acres have burned. the smoke and flames forcing some evacuations so far, only one structure damaged. no injuries reported. fire officials say they are investigating the cause. 85 billion worth of slicing and dicing is set to begin by midnight tonight. 17 hours remain before we reach that deadline for mandatory spending cuts. once the president signs the order, and the cuts kick in. it could be some people describe it as a slow bleed. are you likely to see cuts to national parks, ti s time off w pay for federal employees. little hope that anybody will be able to stop the ax from falling at this late hour. let s begin with brianna keilar. reporter: as president obama meets at the white house with democratic and publ democratic and republican leaders, congress will sit empty. the very people who voted for the $85 billion spending cuts ready to kick in left town. now the finger pointing. the republican plan explicitly protects pork barrel projects. reporter: president obama wants to avoid the force budget cuts with tax increases. republicans refuse. we ve done our work. they have not done theirs. the house shouldn t have to pass a third bill to replace the sequester before the senate passes one. reporter: the senate failed to pass two bills on thursday. one democratic and one republican. both members that we s measur never expected to succeed. cuts will impact everything from military to medicare to education to food inspection and homeland security. president obama in a written statement accused senate republicans of voting to let the entire burden of deficit reduction fall squarely on the middle class. that neating between president obama and congressional leaders takes place at 10:00 p.m. eastern in the oval office, and sometime after that, president obama will set into motion forced spending cuts with the stroke of his pen. is he required to do that soledad and he ll do so privately. brianna keilar at the white house. thank you, bre anna. we ll talk with virginia congressman randy forbes. new information this hour. catholic cardinals meeting to set a date for the conclave to pick the new pope and signals the very beginning of a new era for the church. translator: i am no longer the pope. but i m still in the church. i m just a pilgrim who is starting the last part of his pilgrimage on this earth. pope benedict xvi began his retirement in seclusion at castel gandolfo. 15 miles south of vatican city. let s get to ben wedeman in rome this morning. hey, ben. good morning. reporter: good morning, soledad. the news here is that the dean of the college of cardinals, anga angelo saldono has invited the cardinals to begin at 9:30 a.m. on monday. 3:30 eastern time. a session beginning at 5:00 in the afternoon on monday as well this is really a critical gathering of all cardinals. not just the 115 cardinals who will be participating in the conclave, but also those who are over the age of 80, and obviously, the first business on the agenda, will be setting a date for the conclave. ben wedeman updating us what happens next in rome. thank you, ben. pope benedict xvi the ever pope to open a twitter account, and he now is the first pope to close one. i guess he won t be tweeting as pope emeritus. the senate yesterday says this, thank you for your love and support. may you always experience the joy that comes from putting christ at the center of your lives. you can see here, account is called empty seat italian. and all of those tweets have been deleted. up to the next pope to decide if he wanted to keep it. he could be the real pope benedict xvi. pope one. up next, we ll talk with cardinal francis george, archbishop of chicago. he will talk about what lies ahead in upcoming weeks and months. john has other stories making news. news overnight in japan. prison sentences handed down for two navy sailors who admitted raping a woman while on duty at a u.s. base in okinawa. christopher browning, a ten-year sentence, and skyler dosier walker got nine years. it sparked outrage in japan. violent crimes by u.s. service members stations in japan have been a divisive issue. deadly shooting and car crash that erupted in a fireball on the vegas strip. and las vegas police saying they have their man. ama am ammar harris arrested yesterday. last week, he targeted kenneth cherry, known as kenny clutch, while both men were driving, and they hit a taxi and a crash and explosion killed the driver and passenger. back to the developing story, a man swallowed up by a sinkhole that opened up right underneath his bedroom. the man is presumed dead. rob munoz live at the scene. what is the latest? reporter: reporter: good morning. we re waiting for an engineering firm to come out, wait to establish how deep this is, how wide it is, but not only that see if we can get to the 36-year-old man trapped underneath the rubble, presumed dead at this time. an intense game of waiting and watching. as i stand here, we have all of these rescue crews on stand by. we can t go anywhere near the house, can t go near the hole, because we don t know how how much this land could give away. it could continuously keep growing. the sound of the gravel kept coming in, which means it is just expanding. the family one family member out here watching this entire scene unfold before her eyes, not knowing if her family member is alive or dead. i spoke to her? she says it s her nephew. if anything, hong on, we re coming for you. praying for him this entire time. helpless right now, wondering not only will the home go. the home is in danger of collapsing, but wondering if her family member is still alive somewhere underneath the rubble. 100 feet wide, 50 feet deep. the house could go at any minute. did this family have any kind of warning? reporter: they had no morning, the only warning the sound they heard when the home started collapsing. they had it checked by the county inspector last year. no cracks found in the home. and not only could this home go, by the way, neighboring homes are in danger. they have evacuated two neighbors homes as a precaution. again, this thing the borders just keep growing. rob munoz in brandon, florida. the huge sinkhole threatening that home as we speak. mitt romney has been keeping a low-profile since the election. all of that is about to change. the former massachusetts governor will give a speech in two weeks ciat the cpac conference. he compared his failed presidential bid to take a ride at an amusement park. riding on a roller coaster, we were on a roller coaster, exciting and thrilling ups and downs, it s not like can we be on the roller coaster the rest of our life? no, that ride is over. the romneys have been telling people, they have a hard time getting back to reality right away. his wife, ann, says life since november has been an adjustment, but one she believes they have handled well. i m wondering if they will come back to the spite light. the big indication to the answer might be yes. the sky may, in fact, be the limit. a viral video shows a dance craze in flight, this is frontier airlines. and cnn s tory dunin has the story. reporter: you have heard of snakes on a plane. i ve had it with snakes. how about shakes on a plane? the harlem shake is the latest viral video dance craze. giving gangnam style a run for its money. usually one person starts dancing alone and others jump in. now the faa is looking into this video. it s a dance on a frontier airlines flight in mid air, from denver to san diego. organized by a group of students from colorado college s ultimate frisbee team. it went from this joking around idea amongst the team to suddenly to reality and then it was on youtube and then there were hundreds of thousands of views and now we re talking to you. reporter: the faa wants to know if the plane was on final approach and if passengers should have been buckled up. a frontier spokeswoman says all safety measures were followed and the seat belt was off. worst-case scenario, we hit clear air turbulence and bodies start flying all over the place. reporter: former pilot jim tilmon says an airplane is not a place for fun and games. it is fun? maybe. is it cute? maybe. is it good judgment? no. reporter: a youtube search turns up plenty of other harlem shakers on planes this group of cheerleaders, headed to a competition and says it did its shake during a layover. the plane moving a lot. not a big plane. a lot of people jumping around it was definitely moving the plane. reporter: back in colorado, the team said they never felt unsafe, and they hope the faa agreed. they asked if they planned to do this again? they said no. sequels not as good as the original. they wouldn t even do it for me when i asked them last night. we ll talk to three students who made and starred in the video. not sure we ll get banana suit guy as one of our interviews. i hope we do. up next, in a heated cross-examination room, jodi arias, accused of brutally murdering her ex-boyfriend, breaks down on the stand. listen. were you crying when you were stabbing him? i don t remember. the tears hurt or help her case? we ll have the latest on this dramatic trial. and groupon ceo doesn t leave quietly. the memo he sent to employees after getting the boot. that, coming up. so. 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[fight bell: ding, ding] what s your preferred search engine? search engine, uhh, probably google. if we do a side by side blind test comparison, and you end up choosing google, you get an xbox. i ll bet you the xbox, you bet me your son. well let s look up what you need. okay, i would do the left. yeah? what?! i am a daddy! bing wins it! bing won. bing did win. people prefer bing over google for the web s top searches. don t believe it? go to bingiton.com and see what you re missing. welcome back. you are watching starting point. a sensational trial that has captured the country. jodi arias, accused of murdering her ex-boyfriend, broke down in tears in a marathon cross-examination. the prosecutor was daring her to look at photographs of her ex-boyfriend s body at the crime scene. you are the one that did this, right? yes. you re the same individual that lied about all of this, right? yes. so then take a look at it are one of the most brutal cases. travis alexander once in the head and stabbed 27 times. happened back in june 2008. arias says it was self-defense. joining to us talk about that is mark geragos. book called mistrial out in april and we have former prosecutor anne bremner. you saw her on the stand. look at the pictures, look at the pictures, crying, crying, is this a smart strategy on part of the prosecutor or could it backfire by keeping her on the stand so long? the defense first put her on the stand for eight days or nine days, which is unheard of. as far as the prosecutor, the first day out, i can t imagine doing a worse job than he did. so over the top, so ridiculous. it was like porn in the courtroom. it was. and then he dialled it back yesterday. i think infinitely more effective. i hate to give him advice from 2,000 or 3,000 miles away. less is always more when it comes to cross-examination. i think he needs to dial it back even more. i don t understand how he thinks it will help. in some ways, the defense here is not to try to obtain a not guilty verdict. it s to mitigate. save her from death. i would ask anne that. this is ultimately about life or death for her. she has had so manity rations of her story. will they give her the death penalty? is the strategy working on not working if you are the prosecutor in this case? you man is the prosecution effort working? they want her to be put to death, that s what they are going? the more you let her sit on the stand and cry, you just get to know herber better. as a juror, i got it. looks like she killed him. do i want to put her to death? that s what we re arguing. this is definitely a fight to death. if you spend that much time on the fannstand, it is almost liku become family. you don t prosecute family. be brief, be brilliant, be seated. yesterday, he got a little further, he got to what we are here for, and in that, he investigation direct, and there were some things about when he demonstrated, some contact situation, which is wasn t. a distance and she also talked about things she didn t remember in a fog. and specifics that happened within the fog and whole thing about a gun going off. and if i had a dollar for every time they say a gun went off, i would be rich. always going off. crazy. last question for you. what happens monday when they resume? the prosecutor moves along or does he keep going? look, if he was smart, get in, get out, be done with it, i don t see there is any at this point i agree with anne, making her family, black sheep of the family, whatever it is, it s harder to put somebody to death once you get to know them. mark, anne, thanks. my defense attorney and prosecutor coming together on this. thanks, guys. appreciate it. still ahead on starting point, talk of a horse meat slaughterhouse opening up in the united states? all this discussion about horse meat making its way into the meat supply. a new report says that s close to happening. we ll tell you where and why people are concerned about that. coming up. 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just kidding. i was fired. if you wonder why, you haven t been paying attention. he is referring to the fallen stock price. groupon shares are rising. up 4%, and i have seen a lot of resignations, a lot of resignations and that was the most honest. usually when they say i want to spend more time with my family. or work on my next project, by book. $300 severance. $300? yes, but he has 47 million shares at $2 and change a share. so he s a multi, multimillionaire. and he s 32. he will be just fine. thanks, christine. i want to introduce our team. howard kurtz, and lauren ashburn, contributor for the daily beast and editor in chief for the daily download. nice to have you on this side of the table. miss that side. that s all right. john will give you a shot at it a little bit later. in the next two months, the u.s. agriculture department is expected to approve a horse slaughters plant in roswell, new mexico, so equine meat can be produced in this country. this after the valley meat company sued the usda over the lack of inspection services for horses going to slaughter, according to a spokesperson, the obama administration has been trying to get congress to reinstate a ban since 2011. all of this considering a lot of the conversation we ve had over the past week, plus, has been about this horse meat showing up in products that were not supposed to have horse meat in them. what is the market? i understand buffalo was the hot meat for a while. are a lot of people dieing to go to mcdonald s to get a horsey burger? here in this country, we have a hugic factor. but in lot of countries, people have horse meat. depending on how they get these horses, taken right off the track. full of steroids. they are shot up with steroids so they can run and a lot of horses that get any kind of antibiotics or painkillers, carts carcinogens for people. we re talking about issues with having that kind of meat inspected. this conversation makes me want to be a vegetarian. it really does, the ick factor is the problem for me. we ll talk about that more. also ahead, if forced spending cuts do happen and guess what? they are going to happen. how will it affect american businesses and ult mail mately how will it affect all of us. we ll speak with the chair of pricewaterhouse coopers, touring the country to talk about this. plus, the magical and potentially dangerous moment where a surfer swims with killer whales captured on camera, straight ahead. cereal that s recommended by doctors? 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outrageous. lawsuit. no surprise right there. i think they will wish they offered the refunds. army private bradley manning admitting in court he leaked thousands of diplomatic and classified files to wikileaks. but never meant to harm the united states, just wanted to spark a national debate. pleading guilty to 10 of 22 charges, but not the most serious charge, aiding the enemy. leading up to his court martial in june. surfers in vancouver got a big surprise while hunting big waves off the pacific rim national park. surfing next to a group of killer whales. probably not a good idea. they got back to shore really fast. the whole thing was captured on camera. this is a once in a lifetime thing you are in shock and amazement. and a great speck tacle to see. the whales were chasing a pack of sea lions. only great if you get to talk about it after. the president will meet with top congressional leader as 10:00. this is the first time they will speak about cuts this week and this would be friday. cuts designed to be so painful that neither side would let them happen what will happen to american businesses? bob moritz of pricewaterhouse cooper. nice to have you with us. there was a change in tone, what we were talking about yesterday, but we know now that most likely the deadline will not be med. what specifically are these ceos have you been going around the country talking about telling you about their concerns once we pass through the dead loin? it s clear the ceo community is concerned about this. but i want to put into context their mind-set. sth is just another issue. and we ve been going through this a while now and this is just another data point. they are focused on three things. one, how do they deal specifically with cuts? that depends on which industry, sector or market they may be in. the defense industry may start cutting people which has an implication of reduced employment which impacts retail and consumer companies. other organizations, they may not cut people, they may cut contractors. which impacts the professional services firms. so each organization is trying to deal with the downstream implications of that. the second piece is actually dealing with general uncertainty. over the next year, two or three. some organizations are well prepared to turn that into a positive capture more market share, take advantage of the opportunities. each organization is different. but it s definitely a concern on a broader scale than sequester. you mentioned three things. dealing with the cuts themselves. uncertainty which is always or i should say usually bad for business, unless you are able to say, run with the ball, when things are uncertainty if you are well enough funded to do that. what is the third thing? just the disappointment in washington. have you ceos that see tremendous positive when you look at consumer spending up until this point, look at the housing market. if you break up the economy, between what i ll call the commercial side versus government side, you see the dichotomy. the headwinds as a result of the impasse in washington, is their biggest concern. they step back and say how does the government get together and say we have a large debt issue, large growth issue and tax and unemployment issues. how can we get leadership to step up and deal with this? what the business community is trying to do with things like fix the debt, give those politicians the backing and confidence to actually take the tough calls and make those decisions without retrospective short term. this is lauren ashburn, when you do that, are politicians even going to be open to it? paying attention? they have left down. they are done with talking about this? which is the frustrating part. some ceos have become numb. they don t want to spend the time to influence. but you re part of this group, fix the debt which believes the debt can be fixed. it has to be disillusioning for you, the fact that there are no serious negotiations to avoid these draconian budget cuts. absolutely. the group of ceos are frustrated because the options are too small, too late or too much kick the can down the road. think longer term, make the tough decisions needed. according to the congressional budget office, the actual savings for this year would be $43 billion in the current fiscal year, but if you are looking at the cost over this 2013 year, a million jobs lost, the gdp, which would have been 2% roughly would now be projected to be 1.4%. lose 6 billion, seems like savings are undercut by losses in doing something that undermines the economy of the united states. what s in a nonpolitical context? maybe there is none. what is the fix to this? the fix is leadership roughly defined. ceos, for example, are speaking long term and positively are thinking longer term and saying regardless of that, it s an opportunity for me. can capture market share in a down market. and we see in a ceo perspective, dichotomy between winners and losers to better position their company for the future. sounds good for ceos, when you think about worker bees, we are talking about individuals and people who are consultants and workers, it s brutal for them. numbers are ridiculous. absolutely. thank you for talking with us. hopefully next time we have a conversation we are celebrating how they can come to some decision before this really looming deadline, march 27th, when we have to really fix this. you continue to pay things for the government. this is the new normal, lurching from one self-imposed crisis to the next. how do you change that? it seems like political context, everyone is fine with that. they need a looming deadline to talk and point fingers. you vote the bums out. voters haven t done that. i don t know if it s elections. i don t know if that s it. public pressure if cuts are as impactful as we re being warned is the only thing that will move politicians and their own self-interests to cut the deal. tired of it. still ahead, tiger woods going to great lengths to save a shot. yeah, that shot right there. that up next. bleacher report. back in a moment. nfl prospects raising eyebrows, saying that scouts are asking about sexual orientation. wade davis and drew rosenhaus weigh in on that, straight ahead. 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[ engine revs ] welcome back, everyone. starting point. quick look at top stories right now. the f-35 fighter jets cleared to fly after an engine crack grounded the entire fleet last month. the crack discovered during a routine inspection in california. the nearly 4$400 billion joint strike fighter is the most expensive weapons system. so brace yourself. trouble for the girls gone wild video franchise. oh. darn it. that s so sad. i told you to brace yourself. the soft porn video empire founded by joe francis has filed for bankruptcy protection for the $16 million in debt. the filing will not affect business, soledad. comparing itself to other titans of american business, like general motors. darn. it s girls gone poor. media story. an apology from bloomberg s business week after the cover triggered angry backlash. it was supposed to warn everyone that a rebound could lead to problems in the housing market. many people found this cover offensive. the cover illustration last week got strong reactions which we regret. we weren t trying to incite or offend. when i look at magazine covers, where are the minorities, where is the latina in this. this one, whoa. they put all the black people and latinas on the cover. how does that get through a whole bunch of editors? somebody would say you can t do that. maybe not the right people in the room who feel offended when they look at it i would guess.g. let s talk sports. nick kass made waves this week not because of his performance at the combine but what he says is appearing at the scenes. he says he was grilled by hi coaches about his sexuality. they ask you like girlfriend, are you married? do you like girls? those kind of things. and just kind of weird. but, you know, they would ask you with a straight face and it s pretty weird. weird experience altogether. joining us to talk about that wade davis a former tennessee titans player and came out after leaving the nfl. also sports agent drew rosenhaus is back bus. nice to have you both bus. wait. i ll start with you. nick kass describes it was weird and he said he thought the motivation was trying to get into somebody s head. what do you think of that . what do you think? i think nfl scouts want to know everything about an actual player. i can remember a time i was getting scouted as well and we were walking back from the football field and a scout asked my offensive coach, is wade a lady? somebody is asking if i m gay but not telling anybody. i froze up. he wasn t asking me but my offensive coordinator said wade is not a ladies man. all i heard is someone saying wade is gay. it was a spot in my spot where my next reaction was to become a ladies man so when anybody asked about my sexuality, no, wade is this type of gooi. tell us about the culture of the nfl you felt the need to be i think it s just the culture of our society where you feel that being gay is a negative. let me ask drew a question. have you had clients tell you this? have they come back from the combine and, gosh, they asked me about my girlfriend and did i have plans to get married. no, i never have. i represent over 120 active clients in the nfl. i ve been an nfl agent for 25 years and i ve never had a player complain about this. where i think we should clarify is sometimes teams will ask a player if they are married, if they have children, simply to find out more about a player s personal life, in other words, maturity. sometimes teams like it if a player is married. and has children because perhaps they might go out less, perhaps they won t be goofing around as much, perhaps they are more mature when it comes to off the field things. so having nothing to do with sexual orientation, but i ve never had a problem with this. i would really like to know the context. what would you advise a client to do if he came back to you and said they are asking me defensive coordinator and am i a ladies man. what would you tell him to do? i always tell players to be truthful in anything. i always advise my clients to be honest, to be genuine, to be themselves at all times. really? let s say you had a client who is gay and you tell them them to say, i m not a ladies man, i m gay. wade, let s ask you that question. this is a good time at the combine before i make the next step to my career. it s a question that unfortunately you re asking a player who is very vulnerable at that time who is trying to make it into the nfl, you know, if he is actually gay. so the chances of that player feeling affirmed enough to say yes, is very, very low. i m sorry. is this legal? if i m a manager in a company, i am not allowed to ask you are you married. i m not allowed to ask you how old you are and i m certainly not allowed you according to hr are you gay? the nfl says this goes against their policy to ask these type of questions and they, obviously, are concerned this might be going on. drew, do you think there is ever going to be a day where there is an openly gay player at a high level, yes, i m gay, yawn, everybody, move on? do you think we will get there the next ten years? of course. really? sure. absolutely. i don t see why we wouldn t. frankly i think it s going to happen and i don t know when or who, but of course and there is no reason why it shouldn t happen. and in this particular case, again, i d like to know what the context is, if the team was looking to find out about a player s personal life or just to get to know more about the player or a talking piece. i m not even sure that nick intended to get involved with the controversy. i was going to ask you that. do you think this hurts nick s chances now? let s say you were his agent. you feel you re in the combine, they are judging you right now. no. you don t think? i don t think this will have any impact on his draft status at all. he was just being genuine in talking about some of the questions. there are a lot of questions that go on in the combine. guys are interviewed by dozens of football teams. i don t think this will affect nick kasa in the draft and it shouldn t. this is not it shouldn t affect his draft status. this kid deserves a medal for going public with this. i don t know that he went public. i think he was just talking about what happened at the combine. i don t know that he went public. i think he was just like it was kind of weird. drew rosenhaus, great to talk with you. wade, nice to have you with us. appreciate it. two developing stories we are following this morning. unbelievable situation happening in florida. a man is missing after a sinkhole opened up under his bedroom basically swallowed him. his brother tried to rescue him. eventually they were able to rescue the brother who fell into the sink hole. other homes in the area are now in danger. we are live at the scene for you this morning. a wildfire is creeping closer to homes in california and evacuations to tell you about. details on both of these stories at the at the top of the hour. 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good morning. starting . swallowed by a sink hole over night. a man disappears as a sink hole opens up under his bedroom. his brother risked his own life to try to save him. the hole got bigger and bigger. we are following this story live it at the screen. a wildfire is burning close to homes in california and right now evacuations are under way. we have the very latest on this. today is the day when 85 billion dollars in forced spending cuts go into effect. the president and top leaders in congress meet in a couple of hours. the likelihood of a deal is nearly zero. the cardinals begin the hope for their next pontiff in a secretive conclave. the question is when. it s friday, march 1st. starting point begins right now. our team this morning is hour kurds is the host of cnn s reliable sources and also with us is lauren ashburn. new information on a terrifying situation. a man disappears into a sinkhole and apparently the sinkhole opened under his bedroom. the fire marshal are presuming that man is dead. the home could come down home any moment. it happened east of tampa, florida. one brother tried to save the other but a first respond could only pull one of them out because the sinkhole kept growing and growing. the mattress and bed. everything was actually going down in the hole where the first person had gone and now the second person is in the hole trying to save the first and they are not being successful. so he basically just reacted and did what he had to do to get that person out. did he say where the hole was? it was deep enough the person he pulled out to safety was not able to fully extend their arms and even reach the top. ahead we take you live to the scene for the latest on this story. let s get to rob who is with our affiliate wfts and at the scene in brandon, florida. brandon is 15 miles away from tampa. awe to me a little bit about where they think the sinkhole started and how big it is. reporter: well, they think the sinkhole started right underneath a bedroom in the house. right now, they believe that hole is a hundred feet wide and 50 feet deep. right now i m joined by jerry bush, the brother of jeff bush, who fell into that sinkhole. jeremy, you your brother was in that room. he was laying down in bed. we just got home from work. i have a second job. i went to work and came home at 10:00 and reporter: what did you hear? we left and came back. i knocked on his door and told him we wasn t working today so he said, okay, and everything. i went in my room. i heard a loud crash like a car coming through the house and i heard my brother screaming, so i ran back there and tried going inside his room but my old lady turned the light on and all i seen was this big hole, real big hole and all i seen was his mattress and basically that was. ! that s all i seen. you tried jumping in after him? yes, i jumped in the hole and was trying to dig him out. i couldn t find him! i thought i could hear him holler for me to help him. reporter: and that is the last you saw of him. did you see any last part of him before i didn t see any part of him when i went in there. all i seen was his bed. i told my father-in-law to grab a shovel so i could start digging. i started digging and started digging and the cop showed up and pulled me out of the hole and told me the floor was still falling in. reporter: so you were still at risk as well and now your entire family is out here in support. why are you guys out here in support? just to keep closure, i guess. make sure he s not dead and see if he is alive. i know in my heart, he s dead, but i just want to be here for him because i loved him because it was my brother, man! reporter: jeremy, thank you very much. we appreciate it. thank you. reporter: yeah, again, as you can tell, a very tense situation. a family here on standby. again, just trying to pray for the best, but the latest news that we do have is that he is presumed to be dead at this time. 37-year-old jeff bush. live in tampa. rob, this is soledad. i want to walk through what his brother, jeff, as you mpgention is presumed dead. that was jeremy his brother you talked to and it breaks your heart. what a horrible experience for him. so he was saying that he heard a loud crash. . he was in the bedroom next door and heard a loud crash and went back into his brother s room and when he tried to turn on the light to rescue his brother all he could see was a big hole and the mattress sort of sucked into this hole. he said he grabbed a shovel to try to get his brother out but was unable to really reach him in any way, shape, or form and he told you that he thinks his brother is dead and that he loves him. he is, obviously, very torn up about it. that s jeremy bush who you were talking to. reporter: very harsh reality. oh, my goodness. how awful. let me ask you a question, rob, and not sure you know the answer to this. is this an area known for sinkholes? or is this a complete shock in this area? well, in this area specifically, we know in this town of brandon that around the area, sinkholes have been known to exist. throughout the entire coast of florida on the gulf coast, we know auk aquaifer sit below the ground. we have been told not a lot of rain recently meaning the sinkholes have a chance to form. we have seen this happen before where part of the homs collapse but never seen where it s in the interior of a home and oneroom was just sucked under and threatening take the entire home and neighboring homes with it. i ve seen it on streets and cars sucked under it and houses collapsing but never seen a bedroom sucks a human being in. rob with a riveting interview talking to jeremy bush whose brother is now presumed dead in that sinkhole that his brother could not get out of. thank you, rob. we appreciate that. oh, my gosh. that is terrible, that s terrible. i want to bring in jennifer d l dellgato. they weren t the massive ones but sometimes big but a small one a car would fall in basically. absolutely. you see these sinkholes popping us throughout various parts. we are talking in areas even in mexico. what we want to focus on more about the dynamics of a sinkholes and point out to you they are under limestone and these pop up all the time across florida. you re hearing about this this man was apparently in bed where this happened. they pop out where you see the ground waeter and it dries up. we haven t seen a lot of rain across the region the last couple of weeks. we hope you visualize this a bit more. imagine, if you will, this is the home the gentleman was sleeping in. here is the ground. and below it, we have these two different layers. well, with florida, we are talking about an environment that is built on limestone and with limestone when the water comes through, it allows basically this chemical weathering. the water gets acidic with the rain water. basically, the ground gives way and this is what you see. you see this cave forming and eventually things fall into it, potentially cars or people walking down the street. it s not just florida we are talking about with sinkholes. it pops up in texas, pennsylvania, missouri, tennessee and alabama and has to do with the bedrock and how that ground is compromised. this area we are here talking about limestone. thanks, jennifer. you re welcome. developing overnight a wildfire burning dangerously close to homs in southern california and scorched 150 acres in riverside county near l.a. they say one structure is damaged and no injuries are reported and the cause of the fire is under investigation. other big story we are following this morning from our nation s capital. not very much work is getting done apparently. millions of americans waiting anxiously for the ax to fall to 16 hours before we come to that deadline for mandatory spending cuts. once the president signs the orders and the cuts kick in, a slow downward spiral, if you will. initially we are likely to see flight delays to airports and limited hours to national parks and furloughs for civilian employees. president will meet with leaders from both parties and at this hour many think little hope for any kind of a deal. let s get to our white house correspondent brianna keilar. as president meets today for congressional leaders, the capital will sit empty. congress, the very people who voted for the $85 billion in forced spending cuts set to kick in at midnight left town thursday without finding a way to fix the problem. and now the finger pointing. the republican proposal is the worst of all the worlds. it explicitly protects pork barrel projects and every single tax loophole that benefits the wealthy. reporter: president obama wants to avoid the cuts with tax increases. republicans refuse. we have done our work. they have not done theirs. the house shouldn t have to pass a third bill to replace the sequester before the senate passes one. reporter: one democratic and one republican bill was passed on thursday and making it almost certain that president obama will be forced to sign an executive order today that officially puts the cuts in effect and impact our medicare and education to food inspection and home security. president obama in a written statement accused senate republicans of voting, quote, to let the entire burden of deficit reduction fall squarely on the middle class. that meeting between president obama and congressional leads will take place here at the white house in the oval office at about 10:00 a.m. eastern and sometime after that, president obama will set in motion these forced spending cuts with the stroke of a pen. he is, soledad, required to do that and we re told he will do so privately. brianna keilar, thanks. let s get to congressman randy forbes. i ve been following you on twitter and you just tweeted that we must stop the is a sequester taking effect. we can always mitigate it and mitigate it in quite an important fashion. your reporter just mentioned that the house had gone home and the senate had gone home but members of the armed services committee haven t. we re still here in washington. i encouraged our subcommittee chairman to stay here and make sure we are continuing to work. we have a bill that would stop s is there is just way too much bravado up here and too much from white house and congress and calm people down and have them starting talking to each other. that is challenge but we are going to stay here and try to do it. state of virginia is one of the hardest hit when they show the maps of job losses. your state does not look particularly good, over 200,000 potentially would be affected and here specifically are the things that could happen. 90,000 civilian department of defense furloughed and 3,530 fewer kids to receive vaccines and $1,215,000 lost for meals for seniors. the white house says it s going to happen. do you have a sense of how soon those specific things? are you talking tomorrow? are we talking six months in? what does that look like for your a lot of that will be up to the president. as you know, we are not just talking about those cuts coming from sequestration. the administration has cut over 587 billion out of defense already in the last several years. on top of that it will be damming for the economy and also for national defense for the country. it s important to remember also, soledad, when you look at this, each with these cuts, you re talking about the president still having about $15 billion more to spend this year than he had last year. if this is going to cripple the country we need to step back and say why weren t we planning a little bit better for this and why didn t we do some of this throughout the last year. i know you like to blame the president and i get that, but when you look at who voted for the sequester you were stronel against it but 174 republicans in the house who voted for the sequester and 95 democrats. the number of republicans, your colleagues on your side of the aisle who supported this. did you know it was going to come to this? all of that time ago when the vote was taking place, did you sort of see this playing out this way? soledad, first of all, i haven t blamed just the president but anybody who voted for this. i led a campaign across the country called defending our defenders to go across the country and tell people a year ago and throughout last year that we were going to be right where we are today. i voted against it pip i fought against it and i thought it was bad when the president proposed it and i think it s terrible with you allow it to get to this point. not only do we see the cuts from the economic point of view but we haven t talked about the huge impact to national security that this sequestration will have against this country. we have to fight to get rid of it and mitigate it and do it starting today and not six months from now. 17 hours if you re starting today is all you pretty much have in the rest of the day. nice to you, randy 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to the next pope, of course. we have private meetings now, to the extent we meet at all during the weekend and the first formal meeting called the general congregation begins 9:30 a.m. monday rome time. could the conclave start as early as monday? i believe you asked about the conclave? yes, sir. we don t know when the conclave will begin. that will be settled sometimes next week when the cardinals feel if they have had enough time to talk among themselves so that they can get a good sense of who might be the next pope. the congregations are important because it allows the men over 80 to have their say, even though they won t vote, they won t be in the conclave but they have a lot of experience and wisdom to share before the conclave begins. you were a part of the conclave that elected pope benedict xvith. what is that like being locked in a room with your fellow cardinals and being responsible to pick the next pope? what was that experience like for you and as you re about to face it again? well, thank you very much. i ve been trying to recall it myself because it has stayed with me. it s a very it s a very intense experience as you can imagine. it s a time of prayer and voting. people don t get up and vote for so and so, so it s a very quiet time and you have a chance to contemplate the creation of the world on the ceiling and the end of the world on the wall and, in between, in salvation history we have a very important choice to make for the success of peter. the occasion is enforced by the place itself and also by the quiet prayer and discussion that goes on with the people right around you. it s primarily very intense. everything else is blacked out and everything is oriented towards that choice. it s the mystery of choice. you mean literally blocked out. a full floor we understand it blocks any kind of signal so no laptops and no blackberries, et cetera, et cetera. final question for you, cardinal, if i may. do you go into the conclave with an idea of who you want to elect as pope if you, for example, wanted to be the next hope, would you run around and tell people like vote for me? how does that work? well, last one did a good job so if a very elderly gentleman with bad hearing sometimes i guess i would be a candidate. people don t do that, of course. what you do do is you go to somebody who knows someone who has talked about, if you don t know him, and say what is he really like? how is his health? but, most of all what is his ability and we assume he is a prayerful man and anchored in the faith and the love of the lord but how is his judgment? can he govern? does he have a universe heart especially from the poor. is he just a captive of his own place or his own culture? those are very important questions and somebody who knows them, the answers will share with somebody else. do i go in with a candidate? last time, i think, i had one, or most two. you have to choose somebody on the first ballot and is that first ballot that tells you who has support and who hasn t. until then, you know who is talked about, you re talking about them on cnn and other great networks and they are interesting conversations you re having and it helps us. i must say the people you are talking about would be good candidates from what i ve seen, so far. eight years ago i recall listening to the media and thought they don t know who the candidates are, wild guesses going on. this time, somebody has done his or her homework and you re coming up with good names. we will sort it out i hope before we go in. i hope so. cardinal francis george is the archbishop of chicago. thank you for talking bus. thank you. sounds like he is not interested in the run on for the papacy. was it two years? and three months. we were told yesterday they started feeding them water and bread to make them like make the decision. they were going into the third year of picking the pope. this is the television age. they have to get it done by next sunday. a shocking death is 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welcome back, everybody. new information on a terrifying situation happening new tampa, florida. a man has been swallowed up by a sinkhole that opened up right under his bedroom. it happened in brandon, florida. the man fell into the sinkhole from his bed and he is identified as 37-year-old jeff bush and we are told he is now presumed dead. his brother told us that he tried in vain to save him. as you can imagine, he is distraught and devastated about that. just a few minutes ago, jeremy bush, the brother, described what happened to his brother jeff as he tried to save him. he was laying down in bed. we just got home from work. i have second job. i went to work, came home at 10:00. reporter: what did you hear? well, we left and came back and i knocked on his door and told him that we wasn t working today. so he said, okay and everything. i went in my room. i heard a loud crash like a car coming through the house and i heard my brother screaming, so i ran back there and tried going inside his room but my old lady turned the light on and all i seen was this big hole, real big hole and all i seen was his mattress and, basically, that was it. that s all i seen. reporter: you tried jumping in after him? yes, i jumped in the hole and was trying to dig him out. i couldn t find him. i thought i heard him hollering to help me. reporter: that is the last of you saw of him. did you see any last part of him before he fell i didn t see any part of him when i went in there. all i seen was his bed. i told my father-in-law to grab a shovel so i could start digging. i started digging and started digging. the cops showed up and pulled me out of the hole and told meal the floor was still falling in. reporter: so you were still at risk as well. yeah. reporter: your entire family is out here in support. why are you guys out here in support? just to keep closure, i guess. make sure he s not dead, see if he s alive. i know in my heart, he s dead. but i just want to be here for him because i love him, because he s my brother, man. that reporter was our affiliate rorlt wreporter doing that report. other stories making news and john berman has that for us. live aerials of a fire burning in riverside, california. burning dangerously close to homes there and scorched 150 acres and voluntary irevacuation orders have been issued. the cause of the fire is under investigation. president obama is expected to sign an violence against women act as soon as it reaches his desk. the senate version finally passed the house yesterday. it provides supports for organizations that help domestic violence victims and stiffens sentences for convicted abusers and it allowed protection to lesbians and gays. between now and midnight it seems that president obama will fine an order triggering $85 billion in forced spending cuts. before the ax falls a bit of panic is setting in at the department of defense. more know from our correspondent barbara starr. reporter: chuck hagel has what his commanders tell him a national security crisis. we need to deal with this reality. reporter: $46 billion in mandatory budget cuts must be made by september. the joint chiefs of staff are briefing hagel on exactly what will be cut and how it will affectionate security. it will put the nation at greater risk of coercion. reporter: training will be delayed for soldiers heading into afghanistan. we will have to make a decision somewhere along the line to either extend those already there or send people there that are not ready. reporter: that means extended tours in the war zone. two-thirds have air force combat units will drop below combat readiness levels and the marine corps? by the beginning of next year, more than 50% of my tactical units will be below acceptable levels of readiness for gat. reporter: but some say the pentagon is crying wolf. i followed the post war eras starting with korea, vietnam. this will be the least amount of money we have asked to draw down under any post war time but yet everyone is hollering that it will be devastating. reporter: the affix of the military budget cuts will only grow in the coming weeks as they fully take hold. some of the other impacts, funerals at arlington national cemetery will be delayed and some 800,000 defense department civilian workers face unpaid furloughs. barbara starr, cnn, the pentagon. our thanks to barbara. flood conditions causing big problems in valdosta, georgia. the cherry creak has sent water surrounding into a neighborhood and forcing residents from their homes and the flooding has overwhelmed the city s waste water treatment plant sending millions of gallons of raw sewage into the river. a doing snatcher, police on the hunt. watch this. video shows a woman browsing the store when she casual drops a dog into her purse and returns the shih tzu she was carrying and takes off. if caught this doing snatcher could face grand theft charge because that dog there is worth nearly $900. why not people there watching. the poor dog. booted! saved from the kidnapper. i guess they are so expensive they are worth a lot for people to steal them. the sky may be the limit. the faa is looking into this video that shows the viral dance craze as inflight entertainment on frontier airlines. tory dunn has our story. reporter: you ve heard of snakes on a plane. i ve had it with the snakes. reporter: how about shakes on the plane? reporter: the harlem shake is the latest viral video dance craze giving gangnam style a run for its money. usually one person dances alone and others jump in. now the faa is looking into this video. it depicts a dance on a frontier airlines flight in mid air from denver to san diego. organized by a group of students from colorado colleges ultimate frisbee team. it went from this kind of joking around idea amongst the team to suddenly it s a reality and then it was on youtube and then there are hundreds of thousands of views and now we re talking to you guys. reporter: the faa wants to know if the plane was on final approach and if the passeninger should have been buckled up. reporter: former airline pilot jim tillmon says an airplane is not a place for fun and games. is it fun? maybe. is it cute? maybe. is it good judgment? no. reporter: youtube search turns up plenty of other harlem shakers on planes. this group of cheerleaders from toronto was headed to a competition and says it did its shake during the a layover. the plane was moving a lot. it s not a big plane so that many people jumping around like crazy was definitely moving the plain. reporter: in the colorado case tillmon hopes the faa gives frontier airlines a strong warning. he thinks the crew should never have let the dance go on. . it s animal house on hinge. i like to have fun when i fly but dodd that on a plane with all of those people is insane. come on. everybody said it was okay. i m actually defending them here. i love the airline saying the seat belt sign was off. therefore, it s okay. technically speaking they should not be held to blame. they are the ones who said go ahead and do it. you know? it s not a big deal. how do they let the banana suit through the faa check and carry-on luggage? i like the guy in the front who is saying, what is this? what is happening? coming up next, tell you the story of a man who went from jewel thief to movie producer. he was a former thief for the mafia. he has a new film called genius on hold about the incredible troubled life of his inventor father . . oh, hi thehey!ill. are you in town for another meeting? yup, i brought my a-team. siness trips add to family time. this is my family. this is joe. hi joe! hi there! earn a ton of extra points with the double your hhonors promotion and feel the hamptonality. many hot dogs are within you. try pepto-bismol to-go, it s the power of pepto, but it fits in your pocket. now tell the world daniel. of pepto-bismol to-go. ring that gained notoriety for stealing as much as $70 million in the late 60s and 1970s and now he is producing a movie not about his days as a thief about the amazing life of his father who was an inventor whose name was walter shaw. here is a little bit of the video. this is walter shaw, inventer of the speaker money and knch calling and call forwarding and touch tone phones and technology we use every day. what was coming through his hands and his mind amazed him. a lot of people say you are a great genius. reporter: how did this brilliant family man end up working for the most notorious organization in america? we are terribly concerned about the extent of organized crime throughout the united states. this looks so good. the film comes out today. genius on hold. walter t. shaw with us. you list the speaker phone and the touch tone phone, the call forwarding and two-way communication, the list goes on and on, yet, he never really realized any money from his invention. he never saw a dollar and died broke. my father was a man ahead of his time unfortunately. 30 years ahead of his time and he saw the best in everybody and he was just gifted with this ability. he never went past the ninth grade and went to work for bell labs and got a degree on his off time he made the hands-free telephone and activated in 1948. bell told him if you try to market this you have to have our permission and you have to sign over a past, present, and future developments. the dad said you ll never own my mind. he resigned in 195. icen hauer knocked on his door to him to an air force base to design the red phone, the alert system. so he went up there and they designed that. of course, when he got out of the air force, then he had no benefits. he opened up he was constantly taken advantage of. story of an incredible genius and at every turn taken advantage of. as the movie goes, he turns to the mob. why? they wanted him to perfect a piece of equipment where they had a book making ring and they didn t want to be traced. he invited the black box, blue box. call forwarding got designed in that mechanism later at that time because they wanted the phones to follow them in the boroughs. that was the beginning of call forwarding. he patented that in 1966, yet he made it in 1959. why did he die poor if he has the mob behind him? well, he left that once he did a year and a day for unattached to bell lines and once he got out there he distanced himself from the gambinos and only 44 at that time. all of his great stuff, conference call, touch tone dialing and voice print, call forwarding, which was patented at that point was all his stuff afterwards. can i ask you a question? we opened this piece by talking about you and i spoke. i think last week. yes. about your own crime spree which he won t confirm or deny some of it. but did your father s work with the mob have anything to do with your own context to wonection t with the mob? i left home at 16 because of how i saw big business doing him and i said, dad, i don t want to be that way. i m not going to let them rob me. what would joe veloci do and he said i can t think that way. i see the best in men like will rogers. not a man i don t like. i can t go that philosophy. i said i m going that way. i came into network and looked up some guys. that kind of talk. some guys. but are you in the movie? yes, i am, i am. why you followed are father s foot steps into at least i went that way and because i just felt i wasn t going to let them to it to me. i told my dad if you want them to respect you but them in an ice cream truck or freezer, in other words. you re a living producer? i went that way because i wanted to tell it the story. my dad s story needed to be told. your dad died in 1996. you found him, i know living my wife found him actually. we were just dating and he was living in reno, nevada, in a trailways bus station. would your dad be proud of this film? yeah. i was holding his hand when he died that america. he said, son, it doesn t matter what people don t know about me. my inventions will speak long after him gone. did you break any kneecaps to raise money for this film? no. i met a man who died last year before he saw the film. he died before he was 49. he believed in my dad s story and said this story needs to be told. here is the million and go make your movie the way you want to make it. it s a great story. is it harder to be a movie producti producer or a jewel thief? do you have a gun or a pen? neither. i held his hand. he said is the war over? i said the war is over, dad. you got my ward, it s over. wow. the movie looks so amazing. it s called genius on hold. walter t. shaw is the producer. it s a great story. it is. he would be very proud. i loved him a lot and i miss him every. and this is in his memory. totally. the movie comes out today. please see it. my distributor is a great guy and they they stood behind this film to get it released. bad luck with the film. thank you for talking bus. we are rooting for you on that. still ahead, 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alexandra field, thank you very much. ed you were there today as this went to the hands of the jury. you saw the jurors you saw tsarnaev and his face. how did he react? he was relatively nonreactive until the attorney who did the closing walked towards the table and pointed to him. he got a little animated after that. so there was a response from him. so it was just at that one moment when he pointed at him. you re saying he got animated? yeah. he was fidgeting moving his hands around. i thought that he might actually say something. he clearly was affected by some of the things that the prosecutor was saying. oh that s interesting. so 17 of the 30 counts that he s facing carry the death penalty, as you know ed. correct. you lived through this as a member of that community in trying to find him. the death penalty is a big question and it s a big question in a place like massachusetts where many people oppose it. do you think he deserves it? well i did live through it. i spoke to you during those few days that we were pursing this guy. so i may be a little slanted in my view. but i ve never been a big advocate of the death penalty but i think in this particular case this suspect s actions, what he did to two innocent young women and a little boy along with officer collier, it was such a vicious attack and so directed and affected so many people that i think the death penalty is definitely called for on this case. so you believe in it. and even though so one of the survivors, jared, said when tsarnaev had the shootout he wanted to die. by giving him the death penalty, it s giving what he wants. there are people who agree with jarrod who says look this is what he wants, he wants the death pen fault. what do you say to that? is this rewarding him in any way? i was surrounded by the victims today in court and they have been so strong and so much a real role model for everyone. it s incredible the way that they have dealt with this. i don t want to argue with any victims but what dzhokhar tsarnaev wants is irrelevant to me. i think that he is following in the footsteps of people who have declared war on the united states. they have said that they want to kill innocent civilians, they ve done that and now they should pay the price for it. that s the way i look at it. all right. very well said. thank you so much ed appreciate you being back with us. and now outfront, alan dershowitz you heard what ed said. he doesn t care what tsarnaev wants. he thinks this merits the death penalty. i agree. and i don t think he wants the death penalty. if he wanted the death penalty, he wouldn t have retained this brilliant lawyer clark whose specialty is to avoid the death penalty and he would have gotten up in court and blurted out jihadist terminology. if any case ever warranted the death penalty, it s this one. but the question is is this both the worst crime possible? yes. is it the worst criminal possible or are there mitigating factors and we ll see what clark comes up with in terms of mitigating factors. that of course is his attorney. i ve heard interesting analysis. people say, look voters in massachusetts again and again say they are not for the death penalty but when it comes to the boston case people are more open to it. i understand. what do you think this jury will do? will they just be patently opposed to it in principle? i think one of the smart things that the prosecutors did was put on a strong case even though the defendant conceded guilt. so they are already starting with a big advantage when it comes to the death penalty phase. but one of the smart things that clark did is she let the prosecution basically put out its whole heart case early on. right. so they can t put anything on now that will be a surprise or a shock to the jury. uh-huh. look it s always uphill to prevent a death penalty in a case where a policeman has been killed multiple deaths children have been killed. if anybody can do it clark can do it. she s she s known for it. she got the underwear bomber off, jared who shot gabby giffords. if she puts him on the witness stand, she ll be faulted. if she doesn t, she ll be faulted. i can t give her advice and nobody else should give her advice because only she know what is kind of a witness he would make what his answers would be and it all depends. if he takes the witness stand, that s all that will matter. all the jury will focus on is him and what he said and whether they can look him in the eye and say, you deserve to die. and on this issue of deserve to die, one of the big fights in the death penalty is what cost society more the appeals process or someone being put to death. what costs society less? if costs matter imposing the death penalty is the most costly thing we can do. first of all, make a hero of him and endless appeals. i m not sure any of us will live long enough to see this execution carried out. so if you want finality you impose life in prison and let him suffer with his conscience if he has any for life in a prison cell. alan dershowitz thank you. outfront next rolling stone magazine retracting that story at the university of virginia and now the person at the center of that case is suing. and on a caribbean vacation a family suddenly poisoned. did a pesticide at their resort where they were going for their luxurious vacation almost kill them? fact. every time you take advil liqui gels you re taking the pain reliever that works faster on tough pain than extra strength tylenol. and not only faster. stronger too. relief doesn t get any better than this. advil let me talk to you about retirement. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let s talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable professional. would you trust me as your financial advisor? 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she said these are mistakes that i will never make again . i m not sure who would trust her at this point with a story. i know from personal experience that i would not recommend it. reporter: but the magazine s top editor will dana says sabrina has done great work for us over the years and we expect that to continue. that decision comes from the rolling stone believes the report is enough punishment. to be fair the writer and her editors did not make up facts or plagiarize but the review says they did bad reporting and editing. but they are getting second chances and the professors who reviewed the story are not second-guessing that. it s appropriate to sort out that accountability. reporter: meanwhile, other news outlets cannot believe it. lisa myers tweets this. so no one gets fired and no policies changed? no wonder so few trust us anymore and an nyu professor writes it was a failure of competence one big enough that he had for will dane that should resign. it s incredible that that could happen but they are dodging the issue and aggressively saying no one is going to be fired. defiantly, i would say. they are just simply not commenting. you could argue this is about second chances. you could argue this is about loyalty on the part of the publisher. but almost everybody today is taking the opposite approach. they are saying this seems like stubbornness or ineptitude. there s a lot of outrage out there about that. thank you, brian. now, joshua strange was accused of sexual assault by his girlfriend at the time in 2011. he was arrested but when the case was brought before a grand jury they threw the case out due to insufficient evidence. all right. i appreciate you taking the time. josh let me start with you because i just gave everyone the headlines of your personal story. as someone who says he was falsely accused of rape in college, are you surprised by this story that jackie s allegations were front page material for rolling stone and caused outrage across this country but ended up not being true? i m really not surprised. i m not surprised by either the reaction of the general public nor the fact that it turned out to be false. the reaction it s a shock factor. even reading it myself it was very very shocking to read and it was very very difficult to read. immediately i had red flags that came up about it. it was so heavy handed on her side and seemed to almost just say, well there s no point in trying to investigate any further because why would someone make this up? it seems like they took her at her word and that was good enough and it was obviously not good enough. there needed to be some sort of investigation into the actual facts and into the story. right. and then there was, linda. but josh raises an interesting point, which is that we went from a time when women didn t come forward at all. now you have something like this where it s almost it s just seen as you can t ask the questions. you can t push back. this reporter everything was done in the name of protecting this woman. they didn t want to risk offending. erin there are two different things at play. one is how these cases unfold on a college campus. and you re right, i think you can t question critically or people don t question critically an accuser who, after so long being unable to get justice, they are coming forward. josh he i would probably agree that college campuses are not the place to adjudicate criminal charges. in the story for me as a prosecutor as a professional i think the reporter and the magazine were so irresponsible because there were other huge tells, like the fact that this young woman claimed seven men serially assaulted her while she was laying naked on shards of glass and didn t need medical treatment for that as an intelligent young woman didn t see the need to be examined. there were other questions that they could have asked without questioning her story. yes. josh in your case and in the uva case though and the experience of a young man who has gone through this sort of a thing, do you feel it s guilty until proven innocent? someone makes an accusation of a young man in college and that accusation is the reality? absolutely. it is 100% you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent which is not the way it is supposed to be at all. no matter what i did in that room no matter what they said in my hearing, i was gone. i was signed sealed delivered, expelled. there was nothing i could do because there was such a presumption against me that it was almost futile. linda, what do you say to that? i know most young woman who come forward have gone through trauma and are telling the truth and some are not. no young man deserves to have his whole life ruined which can happen because there it is out there, because someone falsely accused you offing? that you can t prove. erin i started prosecuting these cases in 1972. that s ancient history in terms of victimization. they didn t allow most women to go forward. we struggled for a long time to give accusers a day in court. to give them their voice. correct. and now the federal government is imposing a need to solve these cases at that level. this idea that they can serve as investigators, judges juries there s no due process, neither for mr. strange, i m sure had probably no right to have an attorney no right to call witnesses, nor do the accusers in these cases have the ability to call witness, have dna evidence presented. right. these cases should not be investigated by people on campuses. it s just wrong. so josh what should a young man do now in college? i mean obviously the answer is complete abstinence. but what would you say? really just always be aware of your surroundings and don t i ll be the first one to tell you, i did practice poor judgment. try to not do that. just always be aware of who it is that you re speaking with and who it is that you re getting involved with and never set yourself up for something like this. linda, what about on the other side? the woman who goes through this traumatic act and is afraid to go forward because people say, oh she s making it up? women need to know that they can be believed and there s so many advocate units in place all over the court andntry and on campuses. as josh was saying get consent. if you re a young man, make sure you have consent from a woman before you engage in acts. these cases are not caused by drugs and alcohol but they are contributing factors. of course they are. if you re a young woman going out and you think you can have five tequila sunrises and and don t remember what you did yeah. the courts can t reconstruct it for you. there s a lot of basics that really need to be re-established about how we socialize and women need to know that when they come forward with the truth, there are court systems that are able to help them and until this is sorted out on college campuses a lot of the title 9 work will go on. alcohol doesn t excuse it on either side. right. outfront next a war of words between president obama and the israeli prime minister heating up. we re going to tell you what he just said. and a family poisoned at a caribbean resort. a common chemical nearly killed them. two of them are fighting for their lives while in a coma. nancial noise financial noise financial noise big day? 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i trust the president is doing what he thinks is good for the united states but i think that we can have a legitimate difference of opinion on this because iran has shown to be completely distrustful. it has been personally difficult for me to hear ex expressions that somehow the united states has not looked out for israel s interests. reporter: a big portion of the framework agreement touted in the rose garden last week is hardly settled. the white house conceded that the white house and iran have yet to agree on when sanctions on tehran will be lifted. it s a four-page document. it s a key pillar in the framework agreement. jim, i think we ve been very clear that there are important details that need to be locked down. reporter: and a confrontation between the white house and congress is becoming even more of a possibility as republicans say they are busy gathering up democratic support for a plan to have congress vote on the final nuclear deal. the white house said today the president will veto that measure but republicans are getting increasingly confident that they will have enough votes to override that erin and the president is feeling it from all sides tonight. thank you very much, jim acosta. outfront now, congressman ed royce and andrea carsonandrew carson on the house intelligent committee. the president said he will not make this deal contingent on iran recognizing israel s right to exist. this is very relevant to the deal right? if iran recognizes israel s right to exist, they are saying they are not going to try to destroy it. why wouldn t the president why would the president not do that? that doesn t make sense, does it? well i think the president is wise in this regard. it s no secret without a doubt, that america stands with israel. we support israel s right to exist and israel is an important and critical ally in the region. what is more important is that iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon and i think this deal keeps our country safe it keeps our allies safe and the region safe. representative royce what do you say to that? the president says i don t have to put this right to exist thing in here because iran doesn t want any parts of it but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity and i don t trust iran but i m going to verify my inspectors are going to go in go ahead and pass this deal. well as the head of the military in iran said the destruction of israel is nonnegotiable in this deal. israel will be destroyed. and the message from the supreme leader a week ago was death to america. he has told the iranian military i want you to mass produce icbms and they are less than a year away from having the capability with these icbms. now, the question is will the inspectors be able to go in and actually inspect these sites, especially the military sites because, remember the ayatollah has sided with the military here and, so far, iran has cheated the iaea on the ability to get those answers in terms of it is nuclear bomb work and to get access to places like fordo and the reason it exists so this is going to be the question and why congress is interested in what is in this deal. now, i know, look they say they are going to get access to fordo and other places that you re referring to but representative royce raises a key point, which is this all started from a baseline of the united states saying iran could not have a nuclear program at all. and now all of a sudden they get to keep their research and development, keep their centrifuges, don t have to destroy anything. here is president obama when he was running for re-election in 2012. the deal we ll accept is they end their nuclear program. it s very straightforward. congressman carson does it give you cause in supporting him that he s done such an about-face? i think under the current proposal iran has agreed to cut their centrifuges from just over 11,000 to around 6,000, which is roughly two-thirds in many ways or at least half. i think that s a step in the right direction. what i m comforted by is the iaea will be able to do regular inspections without intervention and what is critical for people to understand is that the current sanctions in place, erin from terrorism sanctions that are in place to the human rights abuses sanctions and ballistic missile sanctions in place will not be impeded or interrupted. that s critical for folks to know. and once this deal if it is a solidified, once it progresses the other sanctions in place will be ultimately phased out during a series of seasons, if you will. but the other sanctions, terrorism, human rights abuses and ballistic missiles will stay in place. that s a fair point. they get some of those key banking paths to open up. absolutely. congressman royce, are you sold at all by the issue i was talking to the head of the iaea on friday and he said there s a couple sites they can t get into. under the deal they ll be able to get into all of the sites if it s observed and now they have to give 24 hours notice and now they will only have to give two hours notice. he seemed to think that was enough the u.s. could just show up and iran wouldn t be able to hide stuff in that amount of time. does that optimism convince you? iran has been lying to us for years and years and years and now he s optimistic. remember we went through this with noerkrth korea. i remember the way the north koreans cheated and the upshot is we found out because we didn t have any time anywhere inspections. and let me explain, we don t have anywhere anytime inspections. we run these by the iranians and then they decide whether they will let us in. remember the military has a real say with this. they are the ones with a real connection with the ayatollah who will ultimately decide. if the ayatollah decides to hold us up from getting inspectors in or if the ayatollah decides to open up new sites on other military bases, remember they are saying we don t want you to be able to come in and just do snap inspections everywhere. we could find ourselves in the same situation as we did with north korea where we find out they have a dual program, plutonium and enriched uranium and all of a sudden here s the bomb and the deliverable capabilities with the icbms and it s too late. that s why most of us pressured we sent letters to the president laying out all of these points. we have passed a bill 400-20 which i had authored to put more pressure on iran in order to get the concessions. the real concessions that we need in this agreement and this is why so many members of congress are concerned at this moment on both sides of the aisle. as you heard jim acosta tell our viewers, it looks like they may have a veto proof majority to shoot things down. thank you, congressman carson and royce. don t miss a special edition of outfront this friday. we ll be in south korea to speak with defense secretary ashton carter. it s this friday live from south korea. outfront next a major new attack by isis. a fierce fire fight outside of syria s capital. a vacation in paradise goes horribly wrong. two of them in a coma tonight when they were poisoned by a pesticide that they didn t even know had been sprayed in their room. bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid. plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm. your eyes depend on a unique set of nutrients. that s why there s ocuvite. ocuvite helps replenish key eye nutrients. ocuvite has a unique formula that s just not found in any leading multivitamin. help protect your eye health with ocuvite. isis and a major new offensive making a bold push towards syria s capital. this is militants storming the streets of a refugee camp just miles from president bashar al assad s palace in damascus. ateek atika shubert is outfront. reporter: this video is proof, isis says that they are just miles from the presidential palace of bashar al assad. this is the closest isis has gotten to threatening the seat of assad s power by striking at one of the most vulnerable populations in damascus the palestinian refugee camp. now, reports from palestinian leaders that isis is staking its claim by beheading rival rebel commanders inside the camp. the u.n. is calling the situation, quote, beyond inhumane. when we think of a situation that was already unparable in many terms, in human terms when i visited three weeks ago, the situation now has only deteriorated further and so it is really very much a test for the entire international system to see whether this situation can be addressed in human terms and in political terms. reporter: they have already been starved by assad s forces and bombarded by the regime s rockets. a year ago, this was the scene when aid workers were able to negotiate a place to the camp. hundreds were believed to have died not only from the violence but lack of food and medicine. now isis is on the streets and their presence threatens civilians once again. translator: as you see brother, houses are ruined and destroyed. we are afraid to sleep on the upper floors. we are tired of hunger and thirst. we don t have food or medicine here. we have nothing here at this camp. please try to find a solution. reporter: but there may be worse to come. isis can strike at the heart of damascus assad s forces may decide to hit back. that will surely mean more suffering for civilians. atika shubert, cnn, new york. thanks atika. i want to go straight now to a counterterrorism official phil mudd. they put this video out because they are politically savvy. this is a bold attack. this is miles from damascus. what is that significance? you look at this and i think the first reaction you have is there s a humanitarian disaster and a potential threat to the assad regime. i would say take a step back. you go east south to iran you have an iran-backed houthis and go to syria where we have isis moving in next to damascus. where are they getting close to? a shia-backed regime across the region. you don t just have civil wars. time and again you have regional implications. the sunnis versus the shia. and then you have iran on one side. that s correct. and so if isis were to grow to succeed, this could be just one pr element and may not be a true story but if they are growing and you see the assad regime in danger due to isis, you end up where the united states is in a position of backing bashar al assad. i think there s going to be pressure to say if we want oppositionists people who will potentially fight isis they are going to say, if you want to join us and give us weapons, aren t you in this game with us, too? in other words taking out assad? we re going to have to figure out this riddle if we play this game of supporting oppositionists we ve got to have the same goals as they do, which is take out bashar al assad, which ain t that hard. the strategy not the operations. the hard part is what to replace them with. we learned that in iraq. yes. thank you into. two teenagers are in a coma and officials think a pesticide used at their resort is to blame. why was it used years after it was banned? and jeanne moos on selfies. everyone takes them. prince harry, though, is. know your financial plan won t keep you up at night. know you have insights from professional investment strategists to help set your mind at ease. know that planning for retirement can be the least of your worries. with the guidance of a pnc investments financial advisor, know you can get help staying on track for the future you ve always wanted. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? it kinda is. it s as crazy as you not rolling over your old 401k. cue the horns. just harness the confidence it took you to win me and call td ameritrade s rollover consultants. they ll help with the hassle by guiding you through the whole process step by step. and they ll even call your old provider. it s easy. even she could do it. whatever, janet. for all the confidence you need td ameritrade. you got this. let me talk to you about retirement. a 401(k) is the most sound way to go. let s talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable professional. i m actually a dj. 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well we trust that the strawberry producers are making sure that there s not excess pesticide residue on strawberries. you didn t want to wash them really good. reporter: according to the journal of industrial medicine field workers were poisoned at a connecticut nursery in 1990 after the chemical was injected into the soil. in 2011 the cdc reports warehouse workers in california were taken ill after exposure to grapes imported from chile, fume gated with the chemical. we re just learning right now that sea glass vacations have just told cnn that they are canceling their contract the renters of the condo, in regard to terminex. they will not be using them anymore. also the department of justice has launched a criminal investigation into this. the epa is assisting. but the more i learned about this the more concerned i got, because it is used amongst agricultural crops. injected into the soil next to strawberries. i asked the cdc, what do you do and she said wash your fruits and vegetables. organic, you can buy organic and it shouldn t happen at all. for the rest of us that eat regular fruits and vegetables the real hope is to just wash them. thank you very much jean casarez. and next one member of the royal family takes a selfie. jeanne moos has the story next. the world is filled with air. but for people with copd sometimes breathing air can be difficult. if you have copd, ask your doctor about once-daily anoro ellipta. it helps people with copd breathe better for a full 24hours. anoro ellipta is the first fda-approved product containing two long-acting bronchodilators in one inhaler. anoro is not for asthma. anoro contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. it is not known if this risk is increased in copd. anoro won t replace rescue inhalers for sudden copd symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition, or high blood pressure. tell your doctor if you have glaucoma, prostate or bladder problems, or problems passing urine as anoro may make these problems worse. call your doctor right away if you have worsened breathing chest pain, swelling of your mouth or tongue, problems urinating or eye problems including vision changes or eye pain while taking anoro. nothing can reverse copd. the world is filled with air and anoro is helping people with copd breath air better. get your first prescription free at anoro.com. so what about that stock? actually, knowing the kind of risk that you re comfortable with i d steer clear. straight talk. multiplied by 13,000 financial advisors it s how edward jones makes sense of investing. the money, the power of selfies. the selfies city in the world is macati outside of manila in the philippines. people don t ask me how they get their stats. prince harry is in australia in what could be the least selfiest city in the world, after what he s done there. reporter: it took a prince to put his royal foot down moments after one australian fan tried to sneak a selfie with prince harry. he gently but firmly nixed the request of another. did you hear him? selfies are bad. finally, finally someone willing to exercise a little selfie control, and just say no to selfies. even the queen has been caught in selfies. although it s said she photo bombed these two field hockey players. they say they posed where they figured she d walk by. watch the fan in washington, d.c. make a beeline for prince charles. shake his hand pose, and then celebrate. no one s immune from the pope to the president, and the vice president. mr. obama even joked around with a selfie stick. as he did some schtick to promote health care. selfies have been around since before they were called selfies. in 1966 buzz aldrin took what may have been the first space selfie bang on earth, though still above it skyscraper selfies are popular. and the pit of a volcano, george put on a horse mask and snapped a selfie. from horses to lions, to lions to bulls. this guy was taking selfies during the running of the bulls. the prince took the bull by the horns and said you may not take a selfie. when it comes to just say no to selfies, the redheaded prince rules. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. i m all for it. he s in the right. be sure to watch our show and dvr it every night. anderson starts right now. thanks for joining us. hope you had a good holiday weekend. a lot happening tonight. judgment day for the man whose own lawyers admit he did it made the bombs, did the plan and planned the killing, the maiming of innocents at the boston marathon. closing arguments of the trial, the jury starts deliberating today. the big question how will the controversial defense strategy that infuriated survivors play with the jurors. a virgin island vacation brings a family within inches of death. how a pesticide that was banned 31 years ago ended up in their bodies. a widely used form of contraception to h