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>> martha: brand-new interesting poles that came up from nbc over the weekend. former president trump has considered more confident and effective than president biden by 11 points and what's fascinating is if you do that, you know, you draw a x. across these numbers have flipped almost exactly from four years ago. when folks were asked and they were said biden would be more competent and effective. now they've got the reverse on that three and a half years later. the same nbc news poll shows enthusiasm for the 2024 election at one of the lowest levels in almost 20 years. joining me now kelly and conway former senior counselor to former president trump and now president of a consulting and a fox news contributor. fox news senior political analyst great to have both of you with us.
listen. national political director. let's listen- it's _ national political director. let's listen. it's having _ national political director. let's listen. it's having a _ national political director. let's listen. it's having a huge - national political director. let�*s listen. it's having a huge impact and having the opposite impact the democrats intended. the american people on field by this witchhunt. this is a trial which should have happened years ago. we see through his political opponents. president trump's opponents are persecuting him in a trial while he's trying to run for president. they know they can't win at the ballot box or they are trying to do everything to stop them. his numbers go up every time he does it and it is getting people who weren't going to vote for him because they see it is all politics, all smoke and mirrors, a witchhunt. most of these charges against him are well outside the statute of limitations and happened years ago, long before he was president, a civilian. it would be nice to say the other side is clean and they haven't broken any laws, but this is
treat— draconian. it is a shocking way to treat human beings who are in their most _ treat human beings who are in their most vulnerable situation. i think that the _ most vulnerable situation. i think that the uk government should be deeply— that the uk government should be deeply ashamed of its conduct. unfortunately, it is not. do you accept that something drastic needs to be done to really reduce the numbers of people who are risking their lives in crossing the english channel? , . channel? they are risking their lives of people _ channel? they are risking their lives of people are _ channel? they are risking their lives of people are obviously i channel? they are risking their i lives of people are obviously very desperate and in very desperate situations. the difficulty is the uk government has taken away opportunities for people to make legal— opportunities for people to make legal representations and come here via legal— legal representations and come here via legal roots, so people are in a desperate — via legal roots, so people are in a desperate situation and they are doing _ desperate situation and they are doing desperate things. and that is very concerning. the loss of life we have _ very concerning. the loss of life we have all— very concerning. the loss of life we have all seen as something that should — have all seen as something that should concern us all. but really, what _ should concern us all. but really, what should be happening is that we should _ what should be happening is that we should be _ what should be happening is that we should be looking for a sensible and humane _ should be looking for a sensible and humane approach to deal with people who are _ humane approach to deal with people who are trying to come to these islands — who are trying to come to these islands. we should not be looking to say that _ islands. we should not be looking to say that rwanda is a safe place just because _ say that rwanda is a safe place just because the uk government wants it to he _ because the uk government wants it to be we _ because the uk government wants it to be. we should not be looking to
under the policy, anyone "entering the uk illegally", could be sent to rwanda, with no limit on numbers. the government hopes the policy will stop people trying to make the dangerous crossing on small boats. the plan has been strongly criticised by human rights groups, and the uk supreme court ruled the policy was unlawful. here is mr sunak setting out a timeline for his plan. the first flight will leave in 10—12 weeks. now, of course that is later than we wanted, but we have always been clear that processing will take time and if labour peers had not spent weeks holding up the bill in the house of lords to try to block these flights altogether, we would have begun this process weeks ago. let's speak to our political correspondent in westminster, peter saull. peter, it's been months of this being blocked, how different is this evening going to be?—
please do reactor that is seems that the former presidents is nurturing some of those margins in some of the key states. >> ins weber -- suburban woman is an error that the training campaign says that it will be targeting to try to boost its numbers in those states on the issue of abortion rights but you also heard president biden i think shook his messaging a little bit on the economy right now. focusing more on tangible things that you would do -- he would do including a second term versus making as many comparisons with things like a written infrastructure for you, here's all the ways that i think i'm better than donald trump on the economy because voters just sort of feeling those things so now he's focusing on more things like affordable childcare, what he used the money for if he raises taxes on millionaires. >> sandra: we'll dig more in to the innocent second on the issue of abortion but first, julia, to you on this, this is a former attorney general bill barr, we just heard from a moment ago, but also this over the weekend he had to say -- he had this to say on his decision to this
so i think we are approaching the endgame with this legislation. then the real question is start about whether flights can take off, what the numbers will be and whether it is actually effective in putting people off from crossing the english channel in small boats. keep people off from crossing the english channel in small boats.— channel in small boats. keep that midnitht channel in small boats. keep that midnight oil _ channel in small boats. keep that midnight oil close, _ channel in small boats. keep that midnight oil close, peter. - channel in small boats. keep that midnight oil close, peter. you - channel in small boats. keep thatl midnight oil close, peter. you may yet need it. we are going to turn to ukraine. he not only shifted position but defied a majority in his party to do is it, which might ultimately cost him hisjob. the speaker said he believed he was making the right decision in the best interests of the country. i have done here what i believe to be the right thing,
very big protests are peaceful, but it is equally— very big protests are peaceful, but it is equally true _ very big protests are peaceful, but it is equally true that _ very big protests are peaceful, but it is equally true that there - very big protests are peaceful, but it is equally true that there is - very big protests are peaceful, but it is equally true that there is a - it is equally true that there is a significant _ it is equally true that there is a significant minority— it is equally true that there is a significant minority who - it is equally true that there is a significant minority who are - it is equally true that there is a i significant minority who are pretty extreme, — significant minority who are pretty extreme, have _ significant minority who are pretty extreme, have deeply— significant minority who are pretty extreme, have deeply offensive . extreme, have deeply offensive anti-semitic— extreme, have deeply offensive anti—semitic banners. _ extreme, have deeply offensive anti—semitic banners. some - extreme, have deeply offensive i anti—semitic banners. some of the things— anti—semitic banners. some of the things they're _ anti—semitic banners. some of the things they're shouting _ anti—semitic banners. some of the things they're shouting are - things they're shouting are completely— things they're shouting are completely unacceptable, i completely unacceptable, understandably _ completely unacceptable, understandably making. completely unacceptable, - understandably making people feel unsafe _ understandably making people feel unsafe does — understandably making people feel unsafe. does that _ understandably making people feel unsafe. does that mean _ understandably making people feel unsafe. does that mean that - understandably making people feel unsafe. does that mean that the i unsafe. does that mean that the other— unsafe. does that mean that the other 95,000 _ unsafe. does that mean that the other 95,000 people _ unsafe. does that mean that the other 95,000 people aren't - unsafe. does that mean that the . other 95,000 people aren't allowed to protest— other 95,000 people aren't allowed to protest about _ other 95,000 people aren't allowed to protest about what's _ other 95,000 people aren't allowed to protest about what's going - other 95,000 people aren't allowed to protest about what's going on - other 95,000 people aren't allowed to protest about what's going on inl to protest about what's going on in gaza? _ to protest about what's going on in gaza? it's— to protest about what's going on in gaza? it's obviously— to protest about what's going on in gaza? it's obviously upsetting - gaza? it's obviously upsetting enormous _ gaza? it's obviously upsetting enormous numbers— gaza? it's obviously upsetting enormous numbers of- gaza? it's obviously upsetting | enormous numbers of people, including — enormous numbers of people, including leading _ enormous numbers of people, including leading western - including leading western politicians, _ including leading western politicians, including - including leading western politicians, including the i including leading western . politicians, including the us president _ politicians, including the us president. it's _ politicians, including the us president. it's a _ politicians, including the us president. it's a hard - politicians, including the us. president. it's a hard balance politicians, including the us- president. it's a hard balance to -et president. it's a hard balance to get right, — president. it's a hard balance to get right, and _ president. it's a hard balance to get right, and i_ president. it's a hard balance to get right, and i think— president. it's a hard balance to get right, and i think where - president. it's a hard balance to get right, and i think where the| president. it's a hard balance to i get right, and i think where the uk government— get right, and i think where the uk government is— get right, and i think where the uk government is letting _ get right, and i think where the uk government is letting this - get right, and i think where the uk government is letting this happenl government is letting this happen but trying — government is letting this happen but trying to — government is letting this happen but trying to clamp _ government is letting this happen but trying to clamp down - government is letting this happen but trying to clamp down on - government is letting this happen but trying to clamp down on it, i government is letting this happen. but trying to clamp down on it, just asking _ but trying to clamp down on it, just asking the — but trying to clamp down on it, just asking the police _ but trying to clamp down on it, just asking the police to do _ but trying to clamp down on it, just asking the police to do that - but trying to clamp down on it, just asking the police to do that in - but trying to clamp down on it, just asking the police to do that in the i asking the police to do that in the heat of— asking the police to do that in the heat of the — asking the police to do that in the heat of the moment. _ asking the police to do that in the heat of the moment.— heat of the moment. hagar, let's talk about a _ heat of the moment. hagar, let's talk about a couple _ heat of the moment. hagar, let's talk about a couple of— heat of the moment. hagar, let's talk about a couple of other - heat of the moment. hagar, let's i talk about a couple of other issues. the head of the military... the head of israel's military intelligence has resigned over the failures surrounding the hamas attack on october 7th. major general aharon haliva is
chair of the home affairs select committee. what did you make of what you heard from the prime minister this morning, the news conference he gave on this flagship reminder scheme for his government? brute scheme for his government? we started to get a bit more information about what the plan is. obviously. — information about what the plan is. obviously, it is 10—12 weeks ahead before _ obviously, it is 10—12 weeks ahead before any— obviously, it is 10—12 weeks ahead before any flexible take off. the home _ before any flexible take off. the home affairs select committee as i was been _ home affairs select committee as i was been very concerned about the practicalities of this scheme and whether— practicalities of this scheme and whether it will actually deliver the numbers — whether it will actually deliver the numbers that the government seem to think it _ numbers that the government seem to think it will, _ numbers that the government seem to think it will, and also whether it will actually have that deterrent value _ will actually have that deterrent value that the government claim. we know the _ value that the government claim. we know the permanent secretary of the home _ know the permanent secretary of the home office would not sign this policy— home office would not sign this policy off, he had to get a ministerial direction because he wasn't — ministerial direction because he wasn't satisfied that it was value for money, — wasn't satisfied that it was value for money, that it would deliver on what _ for money, that it would deliver on what the _ for money, that it would deliver on what the government think it will. so that— what the government think it will. so that is— what the government think it will. so that is still to be decided and we need — so that is still to be decided and we need to see the evidence of whether— we need to see the evidence of whether the scheme works. you have them in front — whether the scheme works. you have them in front of— whether the scheme works. you have them in front of your _ whether the scheme works. you have them in front of your committee - them in front of your committee fairly regularly. the next time you see them, what would you be wanting to get out of them? we see them, what would you be wanting to get out of them?— to get out of them? we want to get more information _
2ii voting for. you look at those numbers and clearly, as we just switched to the house of lords, you see the debate still ongoing. there are clearly a number of cross bench peers that are not getting up on this either. now we see whether there will be of vote and a division on this afghan issue. the government has made some concessions, so we'll see whether that satisfies the lords or not. certainly, going back to the commons and back to the lords after that. still some way to go. let's focus on something that has gone through one house. that is the ukraine bill through the house of representatives. president zelensky has spoken this afternoon withjoe biden to express his gratitude, no doubt tinged with immense relief that a huge us aid package is finally making its way through congress. the $61 billion package was finally approved in the house on saturday, in spite of the deep opposition on the hard right of the republican party. the senate will vote tomorrow, and just in the nick of time. in recent weeks, russia has resumed targeting of ukrainian
will. he has staked an awful lot of money on it, he has put political capital on it. he has spent an awful lot of time and effort to try to make this into an effective deterrent. we will wait and see whether over the summer, as he hope it well, this will actually reduce the numbers.— it well, this will actually reduce the numbers. ., ~' , the numbers. peter, thank you very much for that. _ the numbers. peter, thank you very much for that. let _ the numbers. peter, thank you very much for that. let me _ the numbers. peter, thank you very much for that. let me bring - the numbers. peter, thank you very much for that. let me bring in - the numbers. peter, thank you very much for that. let me bring in our. much for that. let me bring in our panel to stop victoria coates, usso jack blanchard, politico's uk editor at large. good to have you with us. jack, let me start with you. do you think it will go through tonight? i think it will go through tonight? i mean, that is the expectation. but as you know, the british parliamentary system has its quirks and there is nothing more quirky than the house of lords. it is a very hard place to predict. it is hard to convince these unelected peers to do what you want when the government, it is hard to whip them and corral them down the voting