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the trayvon martin thing, why hasn't he been arrested just to figure out what's going on. >> sure, what happens is, there's an investigation and there should be an investigation that's fair and that are row. it turns on his reasonable belief. now, don, that's not a question that you can answer, that paul can answer, that's a jury question. ultimately, it will be up to, if he is charged and brought before a jury of his peers, he would have to answer the question, was he in imminent fear? did he really believe she posed a threat and a danger. if the answer is yes, he's exonerated. no, he's convicted if charged. >> so the family is saying and many in the family are saying he saw a black woman on his porch and therefore, he shot her because for a number of reasons, because she's black, what have you. it's not as cut and dry as one would like to believe, depending on your pesh perspective, because she had an accident, it was 1:00 in the morning. two or three hours later she shows up on his porch. what happened between that time?
we have become weaker -- >> you don't think it em boldens putin or iran? >> they will do whatever is in their own self-interest. china does what china does. they are not getting involved in any military conflicts. >> second question, if we don't pesh assad for this human -- punish assad for this human rights violation, do we lose any moral authority? how could we go in and punish anyone else if they used bacterial warfare, biological warfare, gas again, do relose the moral authority to do it? >> a way to look at it, bill, we lose moral authority in this case by acting. first of all syria is not part of the 72 or the 93 biological warfare convention. so there is a very stiff case to be made that military intervention here would be illegal for us to do because they are not part of that. number one. number two, the world doesn't want us to do this.
we have become weaker -- >> you don't think it em boldens putin or iran? >> they will do whatever is in their own self-interest. china does what china does. they are not getting involved in any military conflicts. >> second question, if we don't pesh assad for this human -- punish assad for this human rights violation, do we lose any moral authority? how could we go in and punish anyone else if they used bacterial warfare, biological warfare, gas again, do relose the moral authority to do it? >> a way to look at it, bill, we lose moral authority in this case by acting. first of all syria is not part of the 72 or the 93 biological warfare convention. so there is a very stiff case to be made that military intervention here would be illegal for us to do because they are not part of that. number one. number two, the world doesn't
>> you don't think it em boldens putin or iran? >> they will do whatever is in their own self-interest. china does what china does. they are not getting involved in any military conflicts. >> second question, if we don't pesh assad for this human -- punish assad for this human rights violation, do we lose any moral authority? how could we go in and punish anyone else if they used bacterial warfare, biological warfare, gas again, do relose the moral authority to do it? >> a way to look at it, bill, we lose moral authority in this case by acting. first of all syria is not part of the 72 or the 93 biological warfare convention. so there is a very stiff case to be made that military intervention here would be illegal for us to do because they are not part of that. number one. number two, the world doesn't want us to do this.
you might remember that a couple of times i've been here that when i want to do something too boring even for the geeky nerd geeks on the rachel maddow show, they do it under two minutes in a short segment we call the ezra klein challenge. tomorrow the monthly job numbers will come out. everyone will freak out because they will be horrible. >> that's ezra klein known and loved by the msnpc faithful and one of the smartest people on tv. he is way smarter than me. let me show you how much smarter. this graph charts intelligence. see how the ezra bar is very, very tall? way at all taller than the average pesh. my bar is not nearly tall and the ari bar is really, really tiny. ezra recently wrote a piece perhaps a little overthought. i would let it go but it was
thank you bill. bill: thank you governor. here's martha. martha: thank you gentlemen. it is not what you would expect to see on a golf course. this massive door, falling right on the green. where the heck did that come from! bill: you're telling me! also a lot of interest about the pesh election with the governor and wisconsin, unions trying to push him out. so what does this interest show? trouble for the governor? or trouble for the unions? [ kristal ] we're just taking a sample
at lease donte's inferno. i don't know where this guy ends up. >> bill: i think he is going to get convicted of manslaughter in italy. i don't know how much time you get for that over there, probably two and a half months. but i think that he is going. >> well, you know he what they do new pesh in ship shank. i hope it happens to them. cruise travel is starting to look shaky to me. if i want to explore foreign waters i suggest you just swim there because the boats are getting a little shaky at this point. >> bill: timely miller's a football expert as you well know. two big games this weekend. new york giants and san francisco and baltimore ravens at new england. and who are you picking? >> well, listen, i love all these teams but i grew up in pittsburgh so physical always sells with me. i would like to see, listen, i love brady, too, but i think baltimore more physical than that one. >> bill: you are picking baltimore over new england?
i don't know where this guy ends up. >> bill: i think he is going to get convicted of manslaughter in italy. i don't know how much time you get for that over there, probably two and a half months. but i think that he is going. >> well, you know he what they do new pesh in ship shank. i hope it happens to them. cruise travel is starting to look shaky to me. if i want to explore foreign waters i suggest you just swim there because the boats are getting a little shaky at this point. >> bill: timely miller's a football expert as you well know. two big games this weekend. new york giants and san francisco and baltimore ravens at new england. and who are you picking? >> well, listen, i love all these teams but i grew up in pittsburgh so physical always sells with me. i would like to see, listen, i love brady, too, but i think baltimore more physical than that one. >> bill: you are picking baltimore over new england?
italy. at lease donte's inferno. i don't know where this guy ends up. >> bill: i think he is going to get convicted of manslaughter in italy. i don't know how much time you get for that over there, probably two and a half months. but i think that he is going. >> well, you know he what they do new pesh in ship shank. i hope it happens to them. cruise travel is starting to look shaky to me. if i want to explore foreign waters i suggest you just swim there because the boats are getting a little shaky at this point. >> bill: timely miller's a football expert as you well know. two big games this weekend. new york giants and san francisco and baltimore ravens at new england. and who are you picking? >> well, listen, i love all these teams but i grew up in pittsburgh so physical always sells with me. i would like to see, listen, i love brady, too, but i think baltimore more physical than that one. >> bill: you are picking baltimore over new england?
because it sort of served its purpose. there were a lot of attacks coming out of the korengal to the pesh river valley and they put an american base there while they paved the road up the pesh and i think the commanders decide the benefit isn't worth the cost. >> let's look at the movie that was based on your writings that you and tim hetherington did that is gripping, the sense of interplay between the u.s. soldiers and the real afghan people. let's take a look at this. i think it shows folks what goes on. >> -- the information about -- he's the owner of the cow. >> the cow, the reason why we killed it, because it ran into our team wire. and it was mangled inside the wire. so we had to kill it to put it out of its misery because if we would have got it out, it would have been useless. >> they're asking -- it was --